Guest guest Posted November 18, 2003 Report Share Posted November 18, 2003 Dear Rajesh ji Kindly permit me to address you with a ji,i belv i am younger to you. What you have mentioned in your initial mail defines Maha yogada.A planet connected to all the three lagnas,may confer Maha Yoga and hence the name Maha Yoga Da - giver or 'Da'tha of Yoga.If it is not connected to all the three but just one or two then it is yogada and not Maha. But i believe,Maha Yogadas might not be very difficult to find.Because apart from graha drishti,Rashi drishtis can also be used to relate a planet to these three lagnas.And infact multiple Maha Yogadas can be found. Thus may be as you have mentioned the strength of the Yogada planets plus,sun,moon etc are very crucial. May be the Gurus throw more light and help us. Regds Pradeep vedic astrology, "Rajesh M. Kumaria" <rajeshkumaria2000> wrote: > Dear Pradeep > (please just call me Rajesh or RMK) > > Yes as per definition of Yogada, the planet will qualify when it > aspects 2 of the lagnas and the aspects the seventh from 3rd lagna. I > am not sure about the term " MahaYogada"... But I assume that the so > called Yogada must be strong it self i.e., Its placed in its exalted, > own or freindly sign and is not combust or afflicted or involved in > Rashi Sandhi etc., otherwise it may not qualify as a yogada if its > weak itself. Also we are assuming here that the yogada planet to be > Atamkaraka/Amatyakaraka/Bhratri karaka and involved in other rajyogas > (as mentioned by Sarajit and others). > > Infact you have another good question arising here: what is the > definition of Yogada or MahaYogada planet? Hope others will give > their valuable input. > > Infact we should have a list of major rajayogas(time permitting) > involving various karakas(Atamkaraka/Amatyakaraka/Bhratri karaka) to > make things clear, before we jump to the conclusion that the planet > is yogada/a strong planet and start computing various dasas involving > Special Lagnas. Infact we may end up exploring the entire Jamini > Sutras and timing issues in this entire process(and all those people > who are searching jobs, businesses etc., may get another dimension to > explore here...so special lagnas are critical and all thanks really > goes to Shri Sanjay Rath only.) > > Thanks and regards > RMK > > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > Dear Rajesh Ji > > > > Thanks for your detailed reply again. > > Kindly call me pradeep. > > > > I understand your reference as Maha Yogada.I thank Sanjay Rath Ji > > and all for popularising Jaimini Sutras and publishing them on the > > net.Otherwise it would have been difficult to get such info fast. > > > > Eligiblity privilige for seventh from these lagnas was > > informative.One doubt - can a planet aspect 2 of these lagnas and > > aspect the seventh from the 3rd lagna and still be a Maha Yogada? > > > > I have understood the other points from your mail. > > > > Best regds & respect > > Pradeep > > > > ology, "Rajesh M. Kumaria" <rajeshkumaria2000> > > wrote: > > > Dear Pradeep ji > > > Here are some quick replies: > > > Yes you are right, that no rules can be applied as stand alone, > > but > > > then when you combine some major rules to get a prediction, then > > each > > > indvidual major rule becomes a critical component. So these rules > > are > > > esential since they are part of the entire horoscope structure. > > Here > > > are some more rules which can complete this picture(from Shri > > Rath's > > > book on Jamini Sutras) > > > > > > 1. "Stanza 1.3.24 and 1.3.25 Lagna, Hora Lagna and Ghatika Lagna > > > apspected or conjoined by one planet produces a Rajyoga."...The > > > aspect or cojunction mentioned , could be to the first house or > > > seventh house (form the three acendants i.e. lagna, hora lagna or > > > ghatika lagna) and could occur in Rasi, Namsa or Drekkana charts > > > 2. "For powerful Rajyoga, the lagna, hora lagna and ghatika lagna > > (or > > > their senth house) should be aspected by one planet.. If the > > planet > > > fails to aspect either one of the three , the Rajyoga is reduce > > and > > > of it fails to aspect/join two of the three ascendants, the > > Rajyoga > > > is even weaker."..."also Sun is required to initiate the yoga and > > > Moon to sustain it..So such a planet should be linked to Sun and > > Mon > > > als otherwise only some effects are observed in the dasa of such > > a > > > planet." > > > > > > Now your original topic is Special Lagnas and you were focussing > > on > > > 7th house from AL... you wanted to know whether opposition to the > > > image (AL) will cause problems(even if benefics are in 7th > > > house)...Hope I understand you correctly... So my atempt is to > > find > > > other factors related to 7th house and special lagnas which can > > > counter-act such an oppposition or improve the status quo...so I > > > found Darapada(A7) rules and special lagna rules... > > > > > > Now when you combine these rules, and reach several small > > > interpretations, then combine them.... > > > 1.giving importance to strength of such a planet(yogada) and its > > > links to Lagna, HL and GL > > > 2. Darpada strengthand its relationship with AL > > > 3. Argalas to lagna and seventh house > > > 4. opposition to image from planets in 7th from AL. > > > > > > ....only then you can get a better picture about the predictions > > > based on Special lagnas. So each part is essential for the > > complete > > > prediction. ALso when you reach a conclusion based on some major > > > combinations, then that its self is one major prediction. > Ofcourse > > > further for timing issues you have to go to dasas and transits. > > > > > > Regards > > > RMK > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > > > Dear Rajesh Ji > > > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > I think the statements you have quoted form Shri Rath Jis books > > (for > > > > eg points 1 & 2) are like any other astrological rule for > > analysis > > > > and hence cannot be applied as stand alone ones,am i > > right?.Because > > > > if we apply this verbatim the results might not be > consistent.So > > I > > > > think shri Sanjay Rath Ji might be mentioning other factors to > > be > > > > considered, somewhere else in the book or by default these > > factors > > > > should be known to a good astrologer.Kindly correct me. > > > > > > > > As i unfortunately don't have this book i checked BPHS for > > Argala.I > > > > could learn about the things mentioned by you in the same > > > > (BPHS).Thanks for this.So thus Argalas are like bolts which > > connect > > > > planets/houses.This can act as a 'Shrinkhala' or a chain or > > series > > > > for the planets with other important positions in the chart. > > > (Argalas > > > > from any house or planet are found in 2,4th,11th etc from > it.And > > > the > > > > obstructions for argalas are found from 10th 12th and 3rd). > > > > Thus i feel for any planet/house second from it represents its > > > > growth.4th from it is important.11 th represents growth of > > 10th.So > > > > the planets in these houses can influence the growth of these > > > > houses.And these 'Argalas' provides a link for the growth of > the > > > > chart as a whole(growth depends on nature of Argala forming > > > > planets).And hence if there is no obstruction to benefic > > Argalas, > > > it > > > > results in good(Thus to LAGNA and 7th should result in good > > > > growth).Similarly if the Argala is bad then can we say > > obstruction > > > > for that is good.?Kindly help me in understanding this.I have > > also > > > > read that the net of Argala and obstruction has to be taken to > > > > understand relative strength. > > > > > > > > My initial question was related to 7th fom AL.This need not be > > > Arudha > > > > of 7th(Darapada)always.But your answer was pointing to A7.Could > > you > > > > kindly help me regarding this as well,provided you have time. > > > > > > > > Best Regds > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Rajesh M. Kumaria" > > > > <rajeshkumaria2000> wrote: > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > Although your question is not directed at me...If you kindly > > > allow > > > > me > > > > > to interfere, I found some interesting answers from Shri > > Sanjay > > > > > Rath's Jamini Sutras(1.3.17 Page 82)...also you have a good > > mind > > > > > boggling question by the way. > > > > > > > > > > 1. "The darapada (A7) in a quadrant or trine from Arudha > Lagna > > > > brings > > > > > the blessings of Sr Devi(prosperity and god fortune)" . " … > The > > > > > seventh house also decides matters pertaining to money and > > > > business". > > > > > > > > > > 2. "If the Darapada is in other houses(other than the > > > > > quadrants/trines) the native is unfortunate. `The Darapada in > > > > > 6th/8th/12th houses from Arudha Lagna makes the couple > > inimically > > > > > disposed dowards each other…not only is there poverty but the > > > > couple > > > > > are not physically compatible". > > > > > > > > > > 3. Also Stanza 1.3.22 says " Good fortune should be deuced if > > te > > > > > lagna or the seventh have unobstructed argala".."Benefics > > causing > > > > > argala on the lagna or the 7th house give wealth and > > > > > prosperity"…"Natural benefics means employed and fruits are > > > wealth, > > > > > prosperity and well being…Natural malefics means fould means… > > and > > > > the > > > > > fruits thereof, in the long run, are bound to be adverse". > > > > > > > > > > So Thanks to Shri Rath, there are several clarifications > > already > > > > > here. Now all we have to do is to apply these principles to > > > > various > > > > > charts. Good Luck. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > RMK > > > > > > > > > > vedic- astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sudharsan Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the detailed explanation.Doubts regarding 8th > > from > > > AL > > > > is > > > > > > clear now.The example was also good. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ofcourse i have read the archives from this list as well as > > > > achyuta > > > > > > gurukulam. > > > > > > > > > > > > The questions were my doubts after reading those.Because > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > Ji has done some analysis with respect to Ghati Lagna > > > alone.Thus > > > > > the > > > > > > doubt and the first mail regarding this from me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now regarding 7th from AL.Exalted planets(benefics) > > aspecting > > > AL > > > > is > > > > > > good.So this can sit in 7th from AL and still aspect.So you > > > mean > > > > to > > > > > > say,suppose if this is a benefic like waxing moon or venus > > or > > > > > > jupiter,they will lose their benefic nature and act as > > badhak > > > > for > > > > > > AL? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again for the reply > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology, Sudharsan Srinivasan > > > <sudhar108> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dont mean to intrude.You can read all about the special > > > lagnas > > > > if > > > > > > you explore the archives. Narasimha ji and Sanjay ji have > > > > explained > > > > > > these lagnas and their use in great detail. Try the > messages > > in > > > > the > > > > > > begining of this group i.e in 1999.In fact Narasimha starts > > the > > > > > > discussion group with a post on Hora Lagna and Ghati Lagna. > > In > > > > fact > > > > > > I reccomend this to everyone as I myself benefitted greatly > > by > > > > > > reading evey message by PVR and Sanjay ji right from > > inception. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th from AL is the second from the 7th from AL. The 7th > > from > > > AL > > > > > > represents others(people). The second from the 7th i.e the > > 8th > > > > > > represents the resources of others. Thus the 2nd house is > > your > > > > > > resource while the 2nd from 7th. i,e 8th represents others > > > > > resources. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To give you an example, if you try for a new position > > while > > > > > > continuing in you current job, you will most certainly be > > using > > > > > your > > > > > > current employers time to interview, use the current > > employers > > > PC > > > > > > for communicating with prospective employers etc. This is > an > > > > > example > > > > > > of how you will improve your status(AL) by employing others > > > (8th > > > > > > house) resources. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 7th from AL is the opposition to that house. Any > > planet > > > > that > > > > > > is placed in it will lose its significance. A good example > > is > > > the > > > > > > placement of Rahu. Such people turn out to be very > spiritual > > as > > > > the > > > > > > qualities of Rahu(base, tamasic, materialistic) are lost. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sudharsan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Nitin Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your explanation. > > > > > > > I have also read a little about the Arudha Lagna and > > various > > > > > > Arudha > > > > > > > Padas and their significance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is 8th from AL considered as a resource? (2nd from AL > > i > > > am > > > > > > > thinking is the 'dhanasthana' for AL).Is it because 8th > > > > > determines > > > > > > > the duration or life of the manifestation. > > > > > > > Why is seventh a Badhak? As it is opposite to the AL? In > > this > > > > case > > > > > > if > > > > > > > the Badhakatipathi is well placed and is a benefic,then > > the > > > > ends > > > > > > > aimed by it should be for a good,though an obstacle.(I > > mean > > > its > > > > > > > effect should be good).Also planets well placed in > > > > Badhakasthana > > > > > > > will aspect AL and hence should bear good results.Am i > > > thinking > > > > > in > > > > > > > the right direction here? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again and regds > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Nitin" > > > > > > <astronitin> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > |Namah Shivaaya| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have asked a good question. I would consider one > > taking > > > a > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > wholistic picture and considering all factors to paint > > an > > > > > > > integrated > > > > > > > > picture of the chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It also depends on what one is looking for? Are you > > > > considering > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > mind of the person (Chandra lagna), the physical body > > > > (lagnesh) > > > > > > > Satya > > > > > > > > Peeth (Lagna) or how things will manifest in the > > material > > > > word > > > > > > > > (Arudha Lagna)? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, there are many principles given in Jaimini > > > > Sutras > > > > > > > > regarding reading from the Arudha Lagna (AL), alone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd / 6th from the AL reveals the courage and rivalry > > about > > > a > > > > > > > person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Trines to the AL will give it direction, and a rise > > in > > > > the > > > > > > > image > > > > > > > > wil occur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 2nd and 8th from the AL will be resources to the > > image. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 7th will act like a baadhak (obstacle). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, in a similar fashion, one could examine the Hora, > > Ghati > > > > and > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > Lagna alone, but will miss on the entire picture. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hoep that some of this helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes and warm regards, > > > > > > > > Nitin. > > > > > > > > :> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear and respected members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have read about the importance of special lagnas in > > > > > > analysing > > > > > > > > > charts.Apart from sun and moon there are others like > > > > > > Ghati ,Hora > > > > > > > > > representing power,wealth etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But can we predict something based on just any one of > > > these > > > > > > > Lagnas? > > > > > > > > > Because of permutation combinations we could always > > > deduct > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > yogas from some of these Lagnas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shouldnt these lagnas be used only as an additional > > > > > > > > > confirmation.That is if some strength is present from > > > > > > > Rashi,Chandra > > > > > > > > > and Navamsha Varga, then we could go down to Ghati or > > > Hora > > > > or > > > > > > > Sree > > > > > > > > > etc.Forgive me if i am not correct here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because if you get the chart of a popular person you > > > could > > > > > > > manage > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > find some yogas from any of these lagnas and convince > > > using > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > skills.But from an unpopular(this is a vague term!) > > chart > > > > can > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > predict something based on these alone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted November 18, 2003 Report Share Posted November 18, 2003 Dear Pradeep (if you feel like using ji, its Ok with me although I do not insist on it since I am not really a Guru here). Now here are some quotes of an article by Shri Sanjay Rath in which he published in April2003. Based on this and other obvious factors, mere aspects(graha/rashi) to various lagnas cannot qualify the planet as a Yogada or Mahayogada..the planet must ne involed in some rajyogas or its must be involved in various rajyogas/good yogas based on charakarakas (i.e., it should be Atamkaraka, Amatayakaraka or Bhratrikaraka) and so it should be very strong basically , before we go into aspects and dasas etc.,So it must have a great romose to fulfill on its own befoe we declare it a yogada(other wise merely aspects will qualify so many planets and the special lagnas are just critical points in space(linked to a particular chart) which become activated by the yogada/good planet but the strength of the planet aspecting such points should not be forgotten in the process. Its like a strong torch-light in the darkness and the batteries(power of the light) control the strength and flow of this light(analogy). Aritcle on yogas(Shri Rath)is attached below...please see points 4 and 5 below. Thanks and Regards RMK ________________ 1.2 Yoga Yoga has many meanings and implications in astrology. Some of these are listed below for a better understanding of the word. A sambandha caused by any of these can be understood as samyoga. 1. It indicates yoking, joining, harnessing or attaching like yoking a team to play a game or yoking horses to pull a carriage. It implies that the individual parts involved in the yoga (yoke) should function in harmony. In Jyotiúa, these are called paraspara-yoga- kâraka or mutual co-workers. 2. It indicates and undertaking, business, action, work or employment of some kind for the purpose of earning wealth, acquisition, gains or profit or property. In Jyotiúa, these are called sûrya yoga or more precisely, âditya yoga. 3. It indicates any conjunction, union, combination or contact and indicates mixing or a mixture. In Jyotiúa, these are called Graha yoga and are named based on the number of planets conjoining in a sign. 4. It indicates a connection or relationship as a consequence of, or reason or because of something else. The reason or cause is the kâraka (significator) and consequently, these yogas are called Kâraka yoga in Jyotiúa. 5. It indicates putting together or arranging, based on disposition in a regular succession. In Jyotiúa, the longitudes of the individual planets are considered to arrange them in a regular succession of decreasing (longitudinal) hierarchy called `Chara kâraka'. These planets then acquire the potential for various generating yogas. 6. It indicates zealous endeavor with care and using all of one's powers to achieve a goal. Such zeal can only come from the individual soul called the âtmakâraka indicating the natives strong inner urges and desires. The yogas, in Jyotiúa are consequently called âtmakâraka yoga or simply kâraka yoga. 7. It indicates abstract contemplation; meditation and such other practices to attain union (yoga) with God and all these are called adhyâtma yoga (spirituality) in Jyotiúa. It includes renunciation (sanyâsa yoga), mantra úâstra, Pâtanjali's (samkhya-II) yoga philosophy, rituals (where yoga is personified as the son of Dharma & Kriya) etc. 8. It indicates the union of pûruúa (spirit personified as father) and prâkritî (nature personified as mother) for the purpose of all creation (samkhya úastra). In Jyotiúa, the Sun indicates the pûruúa and the Moon indicates prâkritî. The relationship between these planets indicates the Yoga of birth of which there are 27 types. This leads to yet another meaning for the word yoga as `sum' in arithmetic. 9. It indicates the constellation (of the 27 nakúatra), which is conjoined the Moon and is called `Candra yoga'. This is extended into other varieties of Candra yoga based on certain planetary positions that influence the health and mind. The nakúatra which do not have the conjunction or association of the Moon are called `Kha yoga' or having the yoga (association) of the sky (kha). This leads to another variety of Jyotiúa combinations called Kha yoga or Nâbhasa yoga. In this manner, the various meanings of the word yoga can be studies with a focus on its relevance to Vedic astrology. Suffice is to say that the word has a very deep meaning and any superficial reading will cause a vacuum in our understanding and judging of real life situations. vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > Dear Rajesh ji > > Kindly permit me to address you with a ji,i belv i am younger to you. > > What you have mentioned in your initial mail defines Maha yogada.A > planet connected to all the three lagnas,may confer Maha Yoga and > hence the name Maha Yoga Da - giver or 'Da'tha of Yoga.If it is not > connected to all the three but just one or two then it is yogada and > not Maha. > > But i believe,Maha Yogadas might not be very difficult to > find.Because apart from graha drishti,Rashi drishtis can also be > used to relate a planet to these three lagnas.And infact multiple > Maha Yogadas can be found. > > Thus may be as you have mentioned the strength of the Yogada planets > plus,sun,moon etc are very crucial. > May be the Gurus throw more light and help us. > > Regds > Pradeep > > > > vedic astrology, "Rajesh M. Kumaria" > <rajeshkumaria2000> wrote: > > Dear Pradeep > > (please just call me Rajesh or RMK) > > > > Yes as per definition of Yogada, the planet will qualify when it > > aspects 2 of the lagnas and the aspects the seventh from 3rd > lagna. I > > am not sure about the term " MahaYogada"... But I assume that the > so > > called Yogada must be strong it self i.e., Its placed in its > exalted, > > own or freindly sign and is not combust or afflicted or involved > in > > Rashi Sandhi etc., otherwise it may not qualify as a yogada if its > > weak itself. Also we are assuming here that the yogada planet to > be > > Atamkaraka/Amatyakaraka/Bhratri karaka and involved in other > rajyogas > > (as mentioned by Sarajit and others). > > > > Infact you have another good question arising here: what is the > > definition of Yogada or MahaYogada planet? Hope others will give > > their valuable input. > > > > Infact we should have a list of major rajayogas(time permitting) > > involving various karakas(Atamkaraka/Amatyakaraka/Bhratri karaka) > to > > make things clear, before we jump to the conclusion that the > planet > > is yogada/a strong planet and start computing various dasas > involving > > Special Lagnas. Infact we may end up exploring the entire Jamini > > Sutras and timing issues in this entire process(and all those > people > > who are searching jobs, businesses etc., may get another dimension > to > > explore here...so special lagnas are critical and all thanks > really > > goes to Shri Sanjay Rath only.) > > > > Thanks and regards > > RMK > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > > Dear Rajesh Ji > > > > > > Thanks for your detailed reply again. > > > Kindly call me pradeep. > > > > > > I understand your reference as Maha Yogada.I thank Sanjay Rath > Ji > > > and all for popularising Jaimini Sutras and publishing them on > the > > > net.Otherwise it would have been difficult to get such info fast. > > > > > > Eligiblity privilige for seventh from these lagnas was > > > informative.One doubt - can a planet aspect 2 of these lagnas > and > > > aspect the seventh from the 3rd lagna and still be a Maha Yogada? > > > > > > I have understood the other points from your mail. > > > > > > Best regds & respect > > > Pradeep > > > > > > ology, "Rajesh M. Kumaria" > <rajeshkumaria2000> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Pradeep ji > > > > Here are some quick replies: > > > > Yes you are right, that no rules can be applied as stand > alone, > > > but > > > > then when you combine some major rules to get a prediction, > then > > > each > > > > indvidual major rule becomes a critical component. So these > rules > > > are > > > > esential since they are part of the entire horoscope > structure. > > > Here > > > > are some more rules which can complete this picture(from Shri > > > Rath's > > > > book on Jamini Sutras) > > > > > > > > 1. "Stanza 1.3.24 and 1.3.25 Lagna, Hora Lagna and Ghatika > Lagna > > > > apspected or conjoined by one planet produces a > Rajyoga."...The > > > > aspect or cojunction mentioned , could be to the first house > or > > > > seventh house (form the three acendants i.e. lagna, hora lagna > or > > > > ghatika lagna) and could occur in Rasi, Namsa or Drekkana > charts > > > > 2. "For powerful Rajyoga, the lagna, hora lagna and ghatika > lagna > > > (or > > > > their senth house) should be aspected by one planet.. If the > > > planet > > > > fails to aspect either one of the three , the Rajyoga is > reduce > > > and > > > > of it fails to aspect/join two of the three ascendants, the > > > Rajyoga > > > > is even weaker."..."also Sun is required to initiate the yoga > and > > > > Moon to sustain it..So such a planet should be linked to Sun > and > > > Mon > > > > als otherwise only some effects are observed in the dasa of > such > > > a > > > > planet." > > > > > > > > Now your original topic is Special Lagnas and you were > focussing > > > on > > > > 7th house from AL... you wanted to know whether opposition to > the > > > > image (AL) will cause problems(even if benefics are in 7th > > > > house)...Hope I understand you correctly... So my atempt is to > > > find > > > > other factors related to 7th house and special lagnas which > can > > > > counter-act such an oppposition or improve the status quo...so > I > > > > found Darapada(A7) rules and special lagna rules... > > > > > > > > Now when you combine these rules, and reach several small > > > > interpretations, then combine them.... > > > > 1.giving importance to strength of such a planet(yogada) and > its > > > > links to Lagna, HL and GL > > > > 2. Darpada strengthand its relationship with AL > > > > 3. Argalas to lagna and seventh house > > > > 4. opposition to image from planets in 7th from AL. > > > > > > > > ....only then you can get a better picture about the > predictions > > > > based on Special lagnas. So each part is essential for the > > > complete > > > > prediction. ALso when you reach a conclusion based on some > major > > > > combinations, then that its self is one major prediction. > > Ofcourse > > > > further for timing issues you have to go to dasas and > transits. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > RMK > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > > > > Dear Rajesh Ji > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > > I think the statements you have quoted form Shri Rath Jis > books > > > (for > > > > > eg points 1 & 2) are like any other astrological rule for > > > analysis > > > > > and hence cannot be applied as stand alone ones,am i > > > right?.Because > > > > > if we apply this verbatim the results might not be > > consistent.So > > > I > > > > > think shri Sanjay Rath Ji might be mentioning other factors > to > > > be > > > > > considered, somewhere else in the book or by default these > > > factors > > > > > should be known to a good astrologer.Kindly correct me. > > > > > > > > > > As i unfortunately don't have this book i checked BPHS for > > > Argala.I > > > > > could learn about the things mentioned by you in the same > > > > > (BPHS).Thanks for this.So thus Argalas are like bolts which > > > connect > > > > > planets/houses.This can act as a 'Shrinkhala' or a chain or > > > series > > > > > for the planets with other important positions in the chart. > > > > (Argalas > > > > > from any house or planet are found in 2,4th,11th etc from > > it.And > > > > the > > > > > obstructions for argalas are found from 10th 12th and 3rd). > > > > > Thus i feel for any planet/house second from it represents > its > > > > > growth.4th from it is important.11 th represents growth of > > > 10th.So > > > > > the planets in these houses can influence the growth of > these > > > > > houses.And these 'Argalas' provides a link for the growth of > > the > > > > > chart as a whole(growth depends on nature of Argala forming > > > > > planets).And hence if there is no obstruction to benefic > > > Argalas, > > > > it > > > > > results in good(Thus to LAGNA and 7th should result in good > > > > > growth).Similarly if the Argala is bad then can we say > > > obstruction > > > > > for that is good.?Kindly help me in understanding this.I > have > > > also > > > > > read that the net of Argala and obstruction has to be taken > to > > > > > understand relative strength. > > > > > > > > > > My initial question was related to 7th fom AL.This need not > be > > > > Arudha > > > > > of 7th(Darapada)always.But your answer was pointing to > A7.Could > > > you > > > > > kindly help me regarding this as well,provided you have time. > > > > > > > > > > Best Regds > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Rajesh M. Kumaria" > > > > > <rajeshkumaria2000> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > > > Although your question is not directed at me...If you > kindly > > > > allow > > > > > me > > > > > > to interfere, I found some interesting answers from Shri > > > Sanjay > > > > > > Rath's Jamini Sutras(1.3.17 Page 82)...also you have a > good > > > mind > > > > > > boggling question by the way. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. "The darapada (A7) in a quadrant or trine from Arudha > > Lagna > > > > > brings > > > > > > the blessings of Sr Devi(prosperity and god fortune)" . " … > > The > > > > > > seventh house also decides matters pertaining to money and > > > > > business". > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. "If the Darapada is in other houses(other than the > > > > > > quadrants/trines) the native is unfortunate. `The Darapada > in > > > > > > 6th/8th/12th houses from Arudha Lagna makes the couple > > > inimically > > > > > > disposed dowards each other…not only is there poverty but > the > > > > > couple > > > > > > are not physically compatible". > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Also Stanza 1.3.22 says " Good fortune should be deuced > if > > > te > > > > > > lagna or the seventh have unobstructed argala".."Benefics > > > causing > > > > > > argala on the lagna or the 7th house give wealth and > > > > > > prosperity"…"Natural benefics means employed and fruits > are > > > > wealth, > > > > > > prosperity and well being…Natural malefics means fould > means… > > > and > > > > > the > > > > > > fruits thereof, in the long run, are bound to be adverse". > > > > > > > > > > > > So Thanks to Shri Rath, there are several clarifications > > > already > > > > > > here. Now all we have to do is to apply these principles > to > > > > > various > > > > > > charts. Good Luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > RMK > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Sudharsan Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the detailed explanation.Doubts regarding 8th > > > from > > > > AL > > > > > is > > > > > > > clear now.The example was also good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ofcourse i have read the archives from this list as well > as > > > > > achyuta > > > > > > > gurukulam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The questions were my doubts after reading those.Because > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > Ji has done some analysis with respect to Ghati Lagna > > > > alone.Thus > > > > > > the > > > > > > > doubt and the first mail regarding this from me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now regarding 7th from AL.Exalted planets(benefics) > > > aspecting > > > > AL > > > > > is > > > > > > > good.So this can sit in 7th from AL and still aspect.So > you > > > > mean > > > > > to > > > > > > > say,suppose if this is a benefic like waxing moon or > venus > > > or > > > > > > > jupiter,they will lose their benefic nature and act as > > > badhak > > > > > for > > > > > > > AL? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again for the reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology, Sudharsan Srinivasan > > > > <sudhar108> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dont mean to intrude.You can read all about the > special > > > > lagnas > > > > > if > > > > > > > you explore the archives. Narasimha ji and Sanjay ji > have > > > > > explained > > > > > > > these lagnas and their use in great detail. Try the > > messages > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > begining of this group i.e in 1999.In fact Narasimha > starts > > > the > > > > > > > discussion group with a post on Hora Lagna and Ghati > Lagna. > > > In > > > > > fact > > > > > > > I reccomend this to everyone as I myself benefitted > greatly > > > by > > > > > > > reading evey message by PVR and Sanjay ji right from > > > inception. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th from AL is the second from the 7th from AL. The > 7th > > > from > > > > AL > > > > > > > represents others(people). The second from the 7th i.e > the > > > 8th > > > > > > > represents the resources of others. Thus the 2nd house > is > > > your > > > > > > > resource while the 2nd from 7th. i,e 8th represents > others > > > > > > resources. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To give you an example, if you try for a new position > > > while > > > > > > > continuing in you current job, you will most certainly > be > > > using > > > > > > your > > > > > > > current employers time to interview, use the current > > > employers > > > > PC > > > > > > > for communicating with prospective employers etc. This > is > > an > > > > > > example > > > > > > > of how you will improve your status(AL) by employing > others > > > > (8th > > > > > > > house) resources. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 7th from AL is the opposition to that house. Any > > > planet > > > > > that > > > > > > > is placed in it will lose its significance. A good > example > > > is > > > > the > > > > > > > placement of Rahu. Such people turn out to be very > > spiritual > > > as > > > > > the > > > > > > > qualities of Rahu(base, tamasic, materialistic) are lost. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sudharsan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Nitin Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your explanation. > > > > > > > > I have also read a little about the Arudha Lagna and > > > various > > > > > > > Arudha > > > > > > > > Padas and their significance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is 8th from AL considered as a resource? (2nd from > AL > > > i > > > > am > > > > > > > > thinking is the 'dhanasthana' for AL).Is it because > 8th > > > > > > determines > > > > > > > > the duration or life of the manifestation. > > > > > > > > Why is seventh a Badhak? As it is opposite to the AL? > In > > > this > > > > > case > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > the Badhakatipathi is well placed and is a > benefic,then > > > the > > > > > ends > > > > > > > > aimed by it should be for a good,though an obstacle. (I > > > mean > > > > its > > > > > > > > effect should be good).Also planets well placed in > > > > > Badhakasthana > > > > > > > > will aspect AL and hence should bear good results.Am i > > > > thinking > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the right direction here? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again and regds > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Nitin" > > > > > > > <astronitin> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > |Namah Shivaaya| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have asked a good question. I would consider one > > > taking > > > > a > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > wholistic picture and considering all factors to > paint > > > an > > > > > > > > integrated > > > > > > > > > picture of the chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It also depends on what one is looking for? Are you > > > > > considering > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > mind of the person (Chandra lagna), the physical > body > > > > > (lagnesh) > > > > > > > > Satya > > > > > > > > > Peeth (Lagna) or how things will manifest in the > > > material > > > > > word > > > > > > > > > (Arudha Lagna)? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, there are many principles given in > Jaimini > > > > > Sutras > > > > > > > > > regarding reading from the Arudha Lagna (AL), alone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd / 6th from the AL reveals the courage and > rivalry > > > about > > > > a > > > > > > > > person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Trines to the AL will give it direction, and a > rise > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > image > > > > > > > > > wil occur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 2nd and 8th from the AL will be resources to the > > > image. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 7th will act like a baadhak (obstacle). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, in a similar fashion, one could examine the > Hora, > > > Ghati > > > > > and > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > Lagna alone, but will miss on the entire picture. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hoep that some of this helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes and warm regards, > > > > > > > > > Nitin. > > > > > > > > > :> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear and respected members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have read about the importance of special lagnas > in > > > > > > > analysing > > > > > > > > > > charts.Apart from sun and moon there are others > like > > > > > > > Ghati ,Hora > > > > > > > > > > representing power,wealth etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But can we predict something based on just any one > of > > > > these > > > > > > > > Lagnas? > > > > > > > > > > Because of permutation combinations we could > always > > > > deduct > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > yogas from some of these Lagnas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shouldnt these lagnas be used only as an > additional > > > > > > > > > > confirmation.That is if some strength is present > from > > > > > > > > Rashi,Chandra > > > > > > > > > > and Navamsha Varga, then we could go down to Ghati > or > > > > Hora > > > > > or > > > > > > > > Sree > > > > > > > > > > etc.Forgive me if i am not correct here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because if you get the chart of a popular person > you > > > > could > > > > > > > > manage > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > find some yogas from any of these lagnas and > convince > > > > using > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > skills.But from an unpopular(this is a vague > term!) > > > chart > > > > > can > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > predict something based on these alone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > > > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted November 18, 2003 Report Share Posted November 18, 2003 Dear Rajesh Ji Thanks a lot for this useful article from shri Rath Ji. Yes i was able to find such relations(Yogada) easily from many charts. I have seen an analysis from Narasimha Ji done for Bill Gates's Dasamsha.Here he was clearly mentioning Rahu the lord of ascendant aspecting HL and GL through Rashi drishti is forming Maha Yogada.Rahu is placed in second house(pisces) with moon.Thus the question from me - mere relation is enough or not?. May be the Gurujis help us. Respect Pradeep In vedic astrology, "Rajesh M. Kumaria" <rajeshkumaria2000> wrote: > Dear Pradeep > (if you feel like using ji, its Ok with me although I do not insist > on it since I am not really a Guru here). > > Now here are some quotes of an article by Shri Sanjay Rath in which > he published in April2003. Based on this and other obvious factors, > mere aspects(graha/rashi) to various lagnas cannot qualify the planet > as a Yogada or Mahayogada..the planet must ne involed in some > rajyogas or its must be involved in various rajyogas/good yogas based > on charakarakas (i.e., it should be Atamkaraka, Amatayakaraka or > Bhratrikaraka) and so it should be very strong basically , before we > go into aspects and dasas etc.,So it must have a great romose to > fulfill on its own befoe we declare it a yogada(other wise merely > aspects will qualify so many planets and the special lagnas are just > critical points in space(linked to a particular chart) which become > activated by the yogada/good planet but the strength of the planet > aspecting such points should not be forgotten in the process. Its > like a strong torch-light in the darkness and the batteries(power of > the light) control the strength and flow of this light(analogy). > > Aritcle on yogas(Shri Rath)is attached below...please see points 4 > and 5 below. > Thanks and Regards > RMK > ________________ > 1.2 Yoga > Yoga has many meanings and implications in astrology. Some of these > are listed below for a better understanding of the word. A sambandha > caused by any of these can be understood as samyoga. > > 1. It indicates yoking, joining, harnessing or attaching like > yoking a team to play a game or yoking horses to pull a carriage. It > implies that the individual parts involved in the yoga (yoke) should > function in harmony. In Jyotiúa, these are called paraspara-yoga- > kâraka or mutual co-workers. > > 2. It indicates and undertaking, business, action, work or > employment of some kind for the purpose of earning wealth, > acquisition, gains or profit or property. In Jyotiúa, these are > called sûrya yoga or more precisely, âditya yoga. > > 3. It indicates any conjunction, union, combination or contact > and indicates mixing or a mixture. In Jyotiúa, these are called Graha > yoga and are named based on the number of planets conjoining in a > sign. > > 4. It indicates a connection or relationship as a consequence > of, or reason or because of something else. The reason or cause is > the kâraka (significator) and consequently, these yogas are called > Kâraka yoga in Jyotiúa. > > 5. It indicates putting together or arranging, based on > disposition in a regular succession. In Jyotiúa, the longitudes of > the individual planets are considered to arrange them in a regular > succession of decreasing (longitudinal) hierarchy called `Chara > kâraka'. These planets then acquire the potential for various > generating yogas. > > 6. It indicates zealous endeavor with care and using all of > one's powers to achieve a goal. Such zeal can only come from the > individual soul called the âtmakâraka indicating the natives strong > inner urges and desires. The yogas, in Jyotiúa are consequently > called âtmakâraka yoga or simply kâraka yoga. > > 7. It indicates abstract contemplation; meditation and such > other practices to attain union (yoga) with God and all these are > called adhyâtma yoga (spirituality) in Jyotiúa. It includes > renunciation (sanyâsa yoga), mantra úâstra, Pâtanjali's (samkhya- II) > yoga philosophy, rituals (where yoga is personified as the son of > Dharma & Kriya) etc. > > 8. It indicates the union of pûruúa (spirit personified as > father) and prâkritî (nature personified as mother) for the purpose > of all creation (samkhya úastra). In Jyotiúa, the Sun indicates the > pûruúa and the Moon indicates prâkritî. The relationship between > these planets indicates the Yoga of birth of which there are 27 > types. This leads to yet another meaning for the word yoga as `sum' > in arithmetic. > > 9. It indicates the constellation (of the 27 nakúatra), which > is conjoined the Moon and is called `Candra yoga'. This is extended > into other varieties of Candra yoga based on certain planetary > positions that influence the health and mind. The nakúatra which do > not have the conjunction or association of the Moon are called `Kha > yoga' or having the yoga (association) of the sky (kha). This leads > to another variety of Jyotiúa combinations called Kha yoga or Nâbhasa > yoga. > > In this manner, the various meanings of the word yoga can be studies > with a focus on its relevance to Vedic astrology. Suffice is to say > that the word has a very deep meaning and any superficial reading > will cause a vacuum in our understanding and judging of real life > situations. > > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > Dear Rajesh ji > > > > Kindly permit me to address you with a ji,i belv i am younger to > you. > > > > What you have mentioned in your initial mail defines Maha yogada.A > > planet connected to all the three lagnas,may confer Maha Yoga and > > hence the name Maha Yoga Da - giver or 'Da'tha of Yoga.If it is not > > connected to all the three but just one or two then it is yogada > and > > not Maha. > > > > But i believe,Maha Yogadas might not be very difficult to > > find.Because apart from graha drishti,Rashi drishtis can also be > > used to relate a planet to these three lagnas.And infact multiple > > Maha Yogadas can be found. > > > > Thus may be as you have mentioned the strength of the Yogada > planets > > plus,sun,moon etc are very crucial. > > May be the Gurus throw more light and help us. > > > > Regds > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Rajesh M. Kumaria" > > <rajeshkumaria2000> wrote: > > > Dear Pradeep > > > (please just call me Rajesh or RMK) > > > > > > Yes as per definition of Yogada, the planet will qualify when it > > > aspects 2 of the lagnas and the aspects the seventh from 3rd > > lagna. I > > > am not sure about the term " MahaYogada"... But I assume that the > > so > > > called Yogada must be strong it self i.e., Its placed in its > > exalted, > > > own or freindly sign and is not combust or afflicted or involved > > in > > > Rashi Sandhi etc., otherwise it may not qualify as a yogada if > its > > > weak itself. Also we are assuming here that the yogada planet to > > be > > > Atamkaraka/Amatyakaraka/Bhratri karaka and involved in other > > rajyogas > > > (as mentioned by Sarajit and others). > > > > > > Infact you have another good question arising here: what is the > > > definition of Yogada or MahaYogada planet? Hope others will give > > > their valuable input. > > > > > > Infact we should have a list of major rajayogas(time permitting) > > > involving various karakas(Atamkaraka/Amatyakaraka/Bhratri karaka) > > to > > > make things clear, before we jump to the conclusion that the > > planet > > > is yogada/a strong planet and start computing various dasas > > involving > > > Special Lagnas. Infact we may end up exploring the entire Jamini > > > Sutras and timing issues in this entire process(and all those > > people > > > who are searching jobs, businesses etc., may get another > dimension > > to > > > explore here...so special lagnas are critical and all thanks > > really > > > goes to Shri Sanjay Rath only.) > > > > > > Thanks and regards > > > RMK > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > > > Dear Rajesh Ji > > > > > > > > Thanks for your detailed reply again. > > > > Kindly call me pradeep. > > > > > > > > I understand your reference as Maha Yogada.I thank Sanjay Rath > > Ji > > > > and all for popularising Jaimini Sutras and publishing them on > > the > > > > net.Otherwise it would have been difficult to get such info > fast. > > > > > > > > Eligiblity privilige for seventh from these lagnas was > > > > informative.One doubt - can a planet aspect 2 of these lagnas > > and > > > > aspect the seventh from the 3rd lagna and still be a Maha > Yogada? > > > > > > > > I have understood the other points from your mail. > > > > > > > > Best regds & respect > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > ology, "Rajesh M. Kumaria" > > <rajeshkumaria2000> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji > > > > > Here are some quick replies: > > > > > Yes you are right, that no rules can be applied as stand > > alone, > > > > but > > > > > then when you combine some major rules to get a prediction, > > then > > > > each > > > > > indvidual major rule becomes a critical component. So these > > rules > > > > are > > > > > esential since they are part of the entire horoscope > > structure. > > > > Here > > > > > are some more rules which can complete this picture(from Shri > > > > Rath's > > > > > book on Jamini Sutras) > > > > > > > > > > 1. "Stanza 1.3.24 and 1.3.25 Lagna, Hora Lagna and Ghatika > > Lagna > > > > > apspected or conjoined by one planet produces a > > Rajyoga."...The > > > > > aspect or cojunction mentioned , could be to the first house > > or > > > > > seventh house (form the three acendants i.e. lagna, hora > lagna > > or > > > > > ghatika lagna) and could occur in Rasi, Namsa or Drekkana > > charts > > > > > 2. "For powerful Rajyoga, the lagna, hora lagna and ghatika > > lagna > > > > (or > > > > > their senth house) should be aspected by one planet.. If the > > > > planet > > > > > fails to aspect either one of the three , the Rajyoga is > > reduce > > > > and > > > > > of it fails to aspect/join two of the three ascendants, the > > > > Rajyoga > > > > > is even weaker."..."also Sun is required to initiate the yoga > > and > > > > > Moon to sustain it..So such a planet should be linked to Sun > > and > > > > Mon > > > > > als otherwise only some effects are observed in the dasa of > > such > > > > a > > > > > planet." > > > > > > > > > > Now your original topic is Special Lagnas and you were > > focussing > > > > on > > > > > 7th house from AL... you wanted to know whether opposition to > > the > > > > > image (AL) will cause problems(even if benefics are in 7th > > > > > house)...Hope I understand you correctly... So my atempt is > to > > > > find > > > > > other factors related to 7th house and special lagnas which > > can > > > > > counter-act such an oppposition or improve the status > quo...so > > I > > > > > found Darapada(A7) rules and special lagna rules... > > > > > > > > > > Now when you combine these rules, and reach several small > > > > > interpretations, then combine them.... > > > > > 1.giving importance to strength of such a planet(yogada) and > > its > > > > > links to Lagna, HL and GL > > > > > 2. Darpada strengthand its relationship with AL > > > > > 3. Argalas to lagna and seventh house > > > > > 4. opposition to image from planets in 7th from AL. > > > > > > > > > > ....only then you can get a better picture about the > > predictions > > > > > based on Special lagnas. So each part is essential for the > > > > complete > > > > > prediction. ALso when you reach a conclusion based on some > > major > > > > > combinations, then that its self is one major prediction. > > > Ofcourse > > > > > further for timing issues you have to go to dasas and > > transits. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > RMK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rajesh Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > > > I think the statements you have quoted form Shri Rath Jis > > books > > > > (for > > > > > > eg points 1 & 2) are like any other astrological rule for > > > > analysis > > > > > > and hence cannot be applied as stand alone ones,am i > > > > right?.Because > > > > > > if we apply this verbatim the results might not be > > > consistent.So > > > > I > > > > > > think shri Sanjay Rath Ji might be mentioning other factors > > to > > > > be > > > > > > considered, somewhere else in the book or by default these > > > > factors > > > > > > should be known to a good astrologer.Kindly correct me. > > > > > > > > > > > > As i unfortunately don't have this book i checked BPHS for > > > > Argala.I > > > > > > could learn about the things mentioned by you in the same > > > > > > (BPHS).Thanks for this.So thus Argalas are like bolts which > > > > connect > > > > > > planets/houses.This can act as a 'Shrinkhala' or a chain or > > > > series > > > > > > for the planets with other important positions in the chart. > > > > > (Argalas > > > > > > from any house or planet are found in 2,4th,11th etc from > > > it.And > > > > > the > > > > > > obstructions for argalas are found from 10th 12th and 3rd). > > > > > > Thus i feel for any planet/house second from it represents > > its > > > > > > growth.4th from it is important.11 th represents growth of > > > > 10th.So > > > > > > the planets in these houses can influence the growth of > > these > > > > > > houses.And these 'Argalas' provides a link for the growth > of > > > the > > > > > > chart as a whole(growth depends on nature of Argala forming > > > > > > planets).And hence if there is no obstruction to benefic > > > > Argalas, > > > > > it > > > > > > results in good(Thus to LAGNA and 7th should result in good > > > > > > growth).Similarly if the Argala is bad then can we say > > > > obstruction > > > > > > for that is good.?Kindly help me in understanding this.I > > have > > > > also > > > > > > read that the net of Argala and obstruction has to be taken > > to > > > > > > understand relative strength. > > > > > > > > > > > > My initial question was related to 7th fom AL.This need not > > be > > > > > Arudha > > > > > > of 7th(Darapada)always.But your answer was pointing to > > A7.Could > > > > you > > > > > > kindly help me regarding this as well,provided you have > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regds > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Rajesh M. Kumaria" > > > > > > <rajeshkumaria2000> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although your question is not directed at me...If you > > kindly > > > > > allow > > > > > > me > > > > > > > to interfere, I found some interesting answers from Shri > > > > Sanjay > > > > > > > Rath's Jamini Sutras(1.3.17 Page 82)...also you have a > > good > > > > mind > > > > > > > boggling question by the way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. "The darapada (A7) in a quadrant or trine from Arudha > > > Lagna > > > > > > brings > > > > > > > the blessings of Sr Devi(prosperity and god fortune)" . " > … > > > The > > > > > > > seventh house also decides matters pertaining to money > and > > > > > > business". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. "If the Darapada is in other houses(other than the > > > > > > > quadrants/trines) the native is unfortunate. `The > Darapada > > in > > > > > > > 6th/8th/12th houses from Arudha Lagna makes the couple > > > > inimically > > > > > > > disposed dowards each other…not only is there poverty but > > the > > > > > > couple > > > > > > > are not physically compatible". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Also Stanza 1.3.22 says " Good fortune should be > deuced > > if > > > > te > > > > > > > lagna or the seventh have unobstructed argala".."Benefics > > > > causing > > > > > > > argala on the lagna or the 7th house give wealth and > > > > > > > prosperity"…"Natural benefics means employed and fruits > > are > > > > > wealth, > > > > > > > prosperity and well being…Natural malefics means fould > > means… > > > > and > > > > > > the > > > > > > > fruits thereof, in the long run, are bound to be adverse". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So Thanks to Shri Rath, there are several clarifications > > > > already > > > > > > > here. Now all we have to do is to apply these principles > > to > > > > > > various > > > > > > > charts. Good Luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > RMK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sudharsan Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the detailed explanation.Doubts regarding > 8th > > > > from > > > > > AL > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > clear now.The example was also good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ofcourse i have read the archives from this list as > well > > as > > > > > > achyuta > > > > > > > > gurukulam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The questions were my doubts after reading > those.Because > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > > Ji has done some analysis with respect to Ghati Lagna > > > > > alone.Thus > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > doubt and the first mail regarding this from me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now regarding 7th from AL.Exalted planets(benefics) > > > > aspecting > > > > > AL > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > good.So this can sit in 7th from AL and still aspect.So > > you > > > > > mean > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > say,suppose if this is a benefic like waxing moon or > > venus > > > > or > > > > > > > > jupiter,they will lose their benefic nature and act as > > > > badhak > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > AL? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again for the reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology, Sudharsan Srinivasan > > > > > <sudhar108> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dont mean to intrude.You can read all about the > > special > > > > > lagnas > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > you explore the archives. Narasimha ji and Sanjay ji > > have > > > > > > explained > > > > > > > > these lagnas and their use in great detail. Try the > > > messages > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > begining of this group i.e in 1999.In fact Narasimha > > starts > > > > the > > > > > > > > discussion group with a post on Hora Lagna and Ghati > > Lagna. > > > > In > > > > > > fact > > > > > > > > I reccomend this to everyone as I myself benefitted > > greatly > > > > by > > > > > > > > reading evey message by PVR and Sanjay ji right from > > > > inception. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th from AL is the second from the 7th from AL. The > > 7th > > > > from > > > > > AL > > > > > > > > represents others(people). The second from the 7th i.e > > the > > > > 8th > > > > > > > > represents the resources of others. Thus the 2nd house > > is > > > > your > > > > > > > > resource while the 2nd from 7th. i,e 8th represents > > others > > > > > > > resources. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To give you an example, if you try for a new > position > > > > while > > > > > > > > continuing in you current job, you will most certainly > > be > > > > using > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > current employers time to interview, use the current > > > > employers > > > > > PC > > > > > > > > for communicating with prospective employers etc. This > > is > > > an > > > > > > > example > > > > > > > > of how you will improve your status(AL) by employing > > others > > > > > (8th > > > > > > > > house) resources. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 7th from AL is the opposition to that house. Any > > > > planet > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > is placed in it will lose its significance. A good > > example > > > > is > > > > > the > > > > > > > > placement of Rahu. Such people turn out to be very > > > spiritual > > > > as > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > qualities of Rahu(base, tamasic, materialistic) are > lost. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sudharsan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Nitin Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your explanation. > > > > > > > > > I have also read a little about the Arudha Lagna and > > > > various > > > > > > > > Arudha > > > > > > > > > Padas and their significance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is 8th from AL considered as a resource? (2nd > from > > AL > > > > i > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > thinking is the 'dhanasthana' for AL).Is it because > > 8th > > > > > > > determines > > > > > > > > > the duration or life of the manifestation. > > > > > > > > > Why is seventh a Badhak? As it is opposite to the AL? > > In > > > > this > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > the Badhakatipathi is well placed and is a > > benefic,then > > > > the > > > > > > ends > > > > > > > > > aimed by it should be for a good,though an obstacle. > (I > > > > mean > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > effect should be good).Also planets well placed in > > > > > > Badhakasthana > > > > > > > > > will aspect AL and hence should bear good results.Am > i > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > the right direction here? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again and regds > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Nitin" > > > > > > > > <astronitin> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > |Namah Shivaaya| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have asked a good question. I would consider > one > > > > taking > > > > > a > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > wholistic picture and considering all factors to > > paint > > > > an > > > > > > > > > integrated > > > > > > > > > > picture of the chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It also depends on what one is looking for? Are you > > > > > > considering > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > mind of the person (Chandra lagna), the physical > > body > > > > > > (lagnesh) > > > > > > > > > Satya > > > > > > > > > > Peeth (Lagna) or how things will manifest in the > > > > material > > > > > > word > > > > > > > > > > (Arudha Lagna)? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, there are many principles given in > > Jaimini > > > > > > Sutras > > > > > > > > > > regarding reading from the Arudha Lagna (AL), > alone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd / 6th from the AL reveals the courage and > > rivalry > > > > about > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Trines to the AL will give it direction, and a > > rise > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > image > > > > > > > > > > wil occur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 2nd and 8th from the AL will be resources to > the > > > > image. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 7th will act like a baadhak (obstacle). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, in a similar fashion, one could examine the > > Hora, > > > > Ghati > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > Lagna alone, but will miss on the entire picture. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hoep that some of this helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes and warm regards, > > > > > > > > > > Nitin. > > > > > > > > > > :> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > > astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > > > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear and respected members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have read about the importance of special > lagnas > > in > > > > > > > > analysing > > > > > > > > > > > charts.Apart from sun and moon there are others > > like > > > > > > > > Ghati ,Hora > > > > > > > > > > > representing power,wealth etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But can we predict something based on just any > one > > of > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > Lagnas? > > > > > > > > > > > Because of permutation combinations we could > > always > > > > > deduct > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > yogas from some of these Lagnas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shouldnt these lagnas be used only as an > > additional > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation.That is if some strength is present > > from > > > > > > > > > Rashi,Chandra > > > > > > > > > > > and Navamsha Varga, then we could go down to > Ghati > > or > > > > > Hora > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > Sree > > > > > > > > > > > etc.Forgive me if i am not correct here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because if you get the chart of a popular person > > you > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > manage > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > find some yogas from any of these lagnas and > > convince > > > > > using > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > skills.But from an unpopular(this is a vague > > term!) > > > > chart > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > predict something based on these alone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: vedic- astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > > > > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted November 18, 2003 Report Share Posted November 18, 2003 ....is enough. First thing to detect, How will it manifest is the second Best wishes, Annavijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep > wrote: Dear Rajesh JiThanks a lot for this useful article from shri Rath Ji.Yes i was able to find such relations(Yogada) easily from many charts.I have seen an analysis from Narasimha Ji done for Bill Gates's Dasamsha.Here he was clearly mentioning Rahu the lord of ascendant aspecting HL and GL through Rashi drishti is forming Maha Yogada.Rahu is placed in second house(pisces) with moon.Thus the question from me - mere relation is enough or not?.May be the Gurujis help us.RespectPradeepIn vedic astrology, "Rajesh M. Kumaria" <rajeshkumaria2000> wrote:> Dear Pradeep> (if you feel like using ji, its Ok with me although I do not insist > on it since I am not really a Guru here).> > Now here are some quotes of an article by Shri Sanjay Rath in which > he published in April2003. Based on this and other obvious factors, > mere aspects(graha/rashi) to various lagnas cannot qualify the planet > as a Yogada or Mahayogada..the planet must ne involed in some > rajyogas or its must be involved in various rajyogas/good yogas based > on charakarakas (i.e., it should be Atamkaraka, Amatayakaraka or > Bhratrikaraka) and so it should be very strong basically , before we > go into aspects and dasas etc.,So it must have a great romose to > fulfill on its own befoe we declare it a yogada(other wise merely > aspects will qualify so many planets and the special lagnas are just> critical points in space(linked to a particular chart) which become > activated by the yogada/good planet but the strength of the planet > aspecting such points should not be forgotten in the process. Its > like a strong torch-light in the darkness and the batteries(power of > the light) control the strength and flow of this light(analogy).> > Aritcle on yogas(Shri Rath)is attached below...please see points 4 > and 5 below.> Thanks and Regards> RMK> ________________> 1.2 Yoga> Yoga has many meanings and implications in astrology. Some of these > are listed below for a better understanding of the word. A sambandha > caused by any of these can be understood as samyoga.> > 1. It indicates yoking, joining, harnessing or attaching like > yoking a team to play a game or yoking horses to pull a carriage. It > implies that the individual parts involved in the yoga (yoke) should > function in harmony. In Jyotiúa, these are called paraspara-yoga-> kâraka or mutual co-workers.> > 2. It indicates and undertaking, business, action, work or > employment of some kind for the purpose of earning wealth, > acquisition, gains or profit or property. In Jyotiúa, these are > called sûrya yoga or more precisely, âditya yoga. > > 3. It indicates any conjunction, union, combination or contact > and indicates mixing or a mixture. In Jyotiúa, these are called Graha > yoga and are named based on the number of planets conjoining in a > sign.> > 4. It indicates a connection or relationship as a consequence > of, or reason or because of something else. The reason or cause is > the kâraka (significator) and consequently, these yogas are called > Kâraka yoga in Jyotiúa. > > 5. It indicates putting together or arranging, based on > disposition in a regular succession. In Jyotiúa, the longitudes of > the individual planets are considered to arrange them in a regular > succession of decreasing (longitudinal) hierarchy called `Chara > kâraka'. These planets then acquire the potential for various > generating yogas.> > 6. It indicates zealous endeavor with care and using all of > one's powers to achieve a goal. Such zeal can only come from the > individual soul called the âtmakâraka indicating the natives strong > inner urges and desires. The yogas, in Jyotiúa are consequently > called âtmakâraka yoga or simply kâraka yoga. > > 7. It indicates abstract contemplation; meditation and such > other practices to attain union (yoga) with God and all these are > called adhyâtma yoga (spirituality) in Jyotiúa. It includes > renunciation (sanyâsa yoga), mantra úâstra, Pâtanjali's (samkhya-II) > yoga philosophy, rituals (where yoga is personified as the son of > Dharma & Kriya) etc.> > 8. It indicates the union of pûruúa (spirit personified as > father) and prâkritî (nature personified as mother) for the purpose > of all creation (samkhya úastra). In Jyotiúa, the Sun indicates the > pûruúa and the Moon indicates prâkritî. The relationship between > these planets indicates the Yoga of birth of which there are 27 > types. This leads to yet another meaning for the word yoga as `sum' > in arithmetic.> > 9. It indicates the constellation (of the 27 nakúatra), which > is conjoined the Moon and is called `Candra yoga'. This is extended > into other varieties of Candra yoga based on certain planetary > positions that influence the health and mind. The nakúatra which do > not have the conjunction or association of the Moon are called `Kha > yoga' or having the yoga (association) of the sky (kha). This leads > to another variety of Jyotiúa combinations called Kha yoga or Nâbhasa > yoga. > > In this manner, the various meanings of the word yoga can be studies > with a focus on its relevance to Vedic astrology. Suffice is to say > that the word has a very deep meaning and any superficial reading > will cause a vacuum in our understanding and judging of real life > situations.> > > > --- In vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:> > Dear Rajesh ji> > > > Kindly permit me to address you with a ji,i belv i am younger to > you.> > > > What you have mentioned in your initial mail defines Maha yogada.A > > planet connected to all the three lagnas,may confer Maha Yoga and > > hence the name Maha Yoga Da - giver or 'Da'tha of Yoga.If it is not > > connected to all the three but just one or two then it is yogada > and > > not Maha.> > > > But i believe,Maha Yogadas might not be very difficult to > > find.Because apart from graha drishti,Rashi drishtis can also be > > used to relate a planet to these three lagnas.And infact multiple > > Maha Yogadas can be found.> > > > Thus may be as you have mentioned the strength of the Yogada > planets > > plus,sun,moon etc are very crucial.> > May be the Gurus throw more light and help us.> > > > Regds> > Pradeep> > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Rajesh M. Kumaria" > > <rajeshkumaria2000> wrote:> > > Dear Pradeep> > > (please just call me Rajesh or RMK)> > > > > > Yes as per definition of Yogada, the planet will qualify when it > > > aspects 2 of the lagnas and the aspects the seventh from 3rd > > lagna. I > > > am not sure about the term " MahaYogada"... But I assume that the > > so > > > called Yogada must be strong it self i.e., Its placed in its > > exalted, > > > own or freindly sign and is not combust or afflicted or involved > > in > > > Rashi Sandhi etc., otherwise it may not qualify as a yogada if > its > > > weak itself. Also we are assuming here that the yogada planet to > > be > > > Atamkaraka/Amatyakaraka/Bhratri karaka and involved in other > > rajyogas> > > (as mentioned by Sarajit and others). > > > > > > Infact you have another good question arising here: what is the > > > definition of Yogada or MahaYogada planet? Hope others will give > > > their valuable input.> > > > > > Infact we should have a list of major rajayogas(time permitting) > > > involving various karakas(Atamkaraka/Amatyakaraka/Bhratri karaka) > > to > > > make things clear, before we jump to the conclusion that the > > planet > > > is yogada/a strong planet and start computing various dasas > > involving > > > Special Lagnas. Infact we may end up exploring the entire Jamini > > > Sutras and timing issues in this entire process(and all those > > people > > > who are searching jobs, businesses etc., may get another > dimension > > to > > > explore here...so special lagnas are critical and all thanks > > really > > > goes to Shri Sanjay Rath only.)> > > > > > Thanks and regards> > > RMK> > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:> > > > Dear Rajesh Ji> > > > > > > > Thanks for your detailed reply again.> > > > Kindly call me pradeep.> > > > > > > > I understand your reference as Maha Yogada.I thank Sanjay Rath > > Ji > > > > and all for popularising Jaimini Sutras and publishing them on > > the > > > > net.Otherwise it would have been difficult to get such info > fast.> > > > > > > > Eligiblity privilige for seventh from these lagnas was > > > > informative.One doubt - can a planet aspect 2 of these lagnas > > and > > > > aspect the seventh from the 3rd lagna and still be a Maha > Yogada?> > > > > > > > I have understood the other points from your mail.> > > > > > > > Best regds & respect> > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > ology, "Rajesh M. Kumaria" > > <rajeshkumaria2000> > > > > wrote:> > > > > Dear Pradeep ji> > > > > Here are some quick replies:> > > > > Yes you are right, that no rules can be applied as stand > > alone, > > > > but > > > > > then when you combine some major rules to get a prediction, > > then > > > > each > > > > > indvidual major rule becomes a critical component. So these > > rules > > > > are > > > > > esential since they are part of the entire horoscope > > structure. > > > > Here > > > > > are some more rules which can complete this picture(from Shri > > > > Rath's > > > > > book on Jamini Sutras)> > > > > > > > > > 1. "Stanza 1.3.24 and 1.3.25 Lagna, Hora Lagna and Ghatika > > Lagna > > > > > apspected or conjoined by one planet produces a > > Rajyoga."...The > > > > > aspect or cojunction mentioned , could be to the first house > > or > > > > > seventh house (form the three acendants i.e. lagna, hora > lagna > > or > > > > > ghatika lagna) and could occur in Rasi, Namsa or Drekkana > > charts> > > > > 2. "For powerful Rajyoga, the lagna, hora lagna and ghatika > > lagna> > > > (or > > > > > their senth house) should be aspected by one planet.. If the > > > > planet > > > > > fails to aspect either one of the three , the Rajyoga is > > reduce > > > > and > > > > > of it fails to aspect/join two of the three ascendants, the > > > > Rajyoga > > > > > is even weaker."..."also Sun is required to initiate the yoga > > and > > > > > Moon to sustain it..So such a planet should be linked to Sun > > and > > > > Mon > > > > > als otherwise only some effects are observed in the dasa of > > such > > > > a > > > > > planet."> > > > > > > > > > Now your original topic is Special Lagnas and you were > > focussing > > > > on > > > > > 7th house from AL... you wanted to know whether opposition to > > the > > > > > image (AL) will cause problems(even if benefics are in 7th > > > > > house)...Hope I understand you correctly... So my atempt is > to > > > > find > > > > > other factors related to 7th house and special lagnas which > > can > > > > > counter-act such an oppposition or improve the status > quo...so > > I > > > > > found Darapada(A7) rules and special lagna rules... > > > > > > > > > > Now when you combine these rules, and reach several small > > > > > interpretations, then combine them....> > > > > 1.giving importance to strength of such a planet(yogada) and > > its > > > > > links to Lagna, HL and GL> > > > > 2. Darpada strengthand its relationship with AL > > > > > 3. Argalas to lagna and seventh house> > > > > 4. opposition to image from planets in 7th from AL.> > > > > > > > > > ....only then you can get a better picture about the > > predictions > > > > > based on Special lagnas. So each part is essential for the > > > > complete > > > > > prediction. ALso when you reach a conclusion based on some > > major > > > > > combinations, then that its self is one major prediction. > > > Ofcourse > > > > > further for timing issues you have to go to dasas and > > transits. > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > RMK> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:> > > > > > Dear Rajesh Ji> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your reply.> > > > > > I think the statements you have quoted form Shri Rath Jis > > books> > > > (for > > > > > > eg points 1 & 2) are like any other astrological rule for > > > > analysis > > > > > > and hence cannot be applied as stand alone ones,am i > > > > right?.Because > > > > > > if we apply this verbatim the results might not be > > > consistent.So > > > > I > > > > > > think shri Sanjay Rath Ji might be mentioning other factors > > to > > > > be > > > > > > considered, somewhere else in the book or by default these > > > > factors > > > > > > should be known to a good astrologer.Kindly correct me.> > > > > > > > > > > > As i unfortunately don't have this book i checked BPHS for > > > > Argala.I > > > > > > could learn about the things mentioned by you in the same> > > > > > (BPHS).Thanks for this.So thus Argalas are like bolts which > > > > connect > > > > > > planets/houses.This can act as a 'Shrinkhala' or a chain or > > > > series > > > > > > for the planets with other important positions in the chart.> > > > > (Argalas > > > > > > from any house or planet are found in 2,4th,11th etc from > > > it.And > > > > > the > > > > > > obstructions for argalas are found from 10th 12th and 3rd).> > > > > > Thus i feel for any planet/house second from it represents > > its > > > > > > growth.4th from it is important.11 th represents growth of > > > > 10th.So > > > > > > the planets in these houses can influence the growth of > > these > > > > > > houses.And these 'Argalas' provides a link for the growth > of > > > the > > > > > > chart as a whole(growth depends on nature of Argala forming > > > > > > planets).And hence if there is no obstruction to benefic > > > > Argalas, > > > > > it > > > > > > results in good(Thus to LAGNA and 7th should result in good > > > > > > growth).Similarly if the Argala is bad then can we say > > > > obstruction > > > > > > for that is good.?Kindly help me in understanding this.I > > have > > > > also > > > > > > read that the net of Argala and obstruction has to be taken > > to > > > > > > understand relative strength. > > > > > > > > > > > > My initial question was related to 7th fom AL.This need not > > be > > > > > Arudha > > > > > > of 7th(Darapada)always.But your answer was pointing to > > A7.Could > > > > you > > > > > > kindly help me regarding this as well,provided you have > time.> > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regds> > > > > > Pradeep> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In vedic astrology, "Rajesh M. Kumaria" > > > > > > <rajeshkumaria2000> wrote:> > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although your question is not directed at me...If you > > kindly > > > > > allow > > > > > > me > > > > > > > to interfere, I found some interesting answers from Shri > > > > Sanjay > > > > > > > Rath's Jamini Sutras(1.3.17 Page 82)...also you have a > > good > > > > mind > > > > > > > boggling question by the way.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. "The darapada (A7) in a quadrant or trine from Arudha > > > Lagna > > > > > > brings > > > > > > > the blessings of Sr Devi(prosperity and god fortune)" . " > …> > > The > > > > > > > seventh house also decides matters pertaining to money > and > > > > > > business".> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. "If the Darapada is in other houses(other than the > > > > > > > quadrants/trines) the native is unfortunate. `The > Darapada > > in > > > > > > > 6th/8th/12th houses from Arudha Lagna makes the couple > > > > inimically > > > > > > > disposed dowards each other…not only is there poverty but > > the > > > > > > couple > > > > > > > are not physically compatible".> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Also Stanza 1.3.22 says " Good fortune should be > deuced > > if > > > > te > > > > > > > lagna or the seventh have unobstructed argala".."Benefics > > > > causing > > > > > > > argala on the lagna or the 7th house give wealth and > > > > > > > prosperity"…"Natural benefics means employed and fruits > > are > > > > > wealth, > > > > > > > prosperity and well being…Natural malefics means fould > > means…> > > > and > > > > > > the > > > > > > > fruits thereof, in the long run, are bound to be adverse".> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So Thanks to Shri Rath, there are several clarifications > > > > already > > > > > > > here. Now all we have to do is to apply these principles > > to > > > > > > various > > > > > > > charts. Good Luck.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards> > > > > > > RMK> > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic-> > astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:> > > > > > > > Dear Sudharsan Ji> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the detailed explanation.Doubts regarding > 8th > > > > from > > > > > AL > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > clear now.The example was also good.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ofcourse i have read the archives from this list as > well > > as > > > > > > achyuta > > > > > > > > gurukulam.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The questions were my doubts after reading > those.Because > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > > Ji has done some analysis with respect to Ghati Lagna > > > > > alone.Thus > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > doubt and the first mail regarding this from me.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now regarding 7th from AL.Exalted planets(benefics) > > > > aspecting > > > > > AL > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > good.So this can sit in 7th from AL and still aspect.So > > you > > > > > mean > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > say,suppose if this is a benefic like waxing moon or > > venus > > > > or > > > > > > > > jupiter,they will lose their benefic nature and act as > > > > badhak > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > AL?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again for the reply> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > Pradeep> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology, Sudharsan Srinivasan > > > > > <sudhar108> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dont mean to intrude.You can read all about the > > special > > > > > lagnas > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > you explore the archives. Narasimha ji and Sanjay ji > > have > > > > > > explained > > > > > > > > these lagnas and their use in great detail. Try the > > > messages > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > begining of this group i.e in 1999.In fact Narasimha > > starts > > > > the > > > > > > > > discussion group with a post on Hora Lagna and Ghati > > Lagna. > > > > In > > > > > > fact > > > > > > > > I reccomend this to everyone as I myself benefitted > > greatly > > > > by > > > > > > > > reading evey message by PVR and Sanjay ji right from > > > > inception.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th from AL is the second from the 7th from AL. The > > 7th > > > > from > > > > > AL > > > > > > > > represents others(people). The second from the 7th i.e > > the > > > > 8th > > > > > > > > represents the resources of others. Thus the 2nd house > > is > > > > your > > > > > > > > resource while the 2nd from 7th. i,e 8th represents > > others > > > > > > > resources.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To give you an example, if you try for a new > position > > > > while > > > > > > > > continuing in you current job, you will most certainly > > be > > > > using > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > current employers time to interview, use the current > > > > employers > > > > > PC > > > > > > > > for communicating with prospective employers etc. This > > is > > > an > > > > > > > example > > > > > > > > of how you will improve your status(AL) by employing > > others > > > > > (8th > > > > > > > > house) resources.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 7th from AL is the opposition to that house. Any > > > > planet > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > is placed in it will lose its significance. A good > > example > > > > is > > > > > the > > > > > > > > placement of Rahu. Such people turn out to be very > > > spiritual > > > > as > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > qualities of Rahu(base, tamasic, materialistic) are > lost.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sudharsan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:> > > > > > > > > Dear Nitin Ji> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your explanation.> > > > > > > > > I have also read a little about the Arudha Lagna and > > > > various > > > > > > > > Arudha > > > > > > > > > Padas and their significance.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is 8th from AL considered as a resource? (2nd > from > > AL > > > > i > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > thinking is the 'dhanasthana' for AL).Is it because > > 8th > > > > > > > determines > > > > > > > > > the duration or life of the manifestation.> > > > > > > > > Why is seventh a Badhak? As it is opposite to the AL?> > In > > > > this > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > the Badhakatipathi is well placed and is a > > benefic,then > > > > the > > > > > > ends > > > > > > > > > aimed by it should be for a good,though an obstacle.> (I > > > > mean > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > effect should be good).Also planets well placed in > > > > > > Badhakasthana > > > > > > > > > will aspect AL and hence should bear good results.Am > i > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > the right direction here?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again and regds> > > > > > > > > Pradeep> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In vedic astrology, "Nitin" > > > > > > > > <astronitin> > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > |Namah Shivaaya|> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have asked a good question. I would consider > one > > > > taking > > > > > a > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > wholistic picture and considering all factors to > > paint > > > > an > > > > > > > > > integrated > > > > > > > > > > picture of the chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It also depends on what one is looking for? Are you > > > > > > considering > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > mind of the person (Chandra lagna), the physical > > body > > > > > > (lagnesh) > > > > > > > > > Satya > > > > > > > > > > Peeth (Lagna) or how things will manifest in the > > > > material > > > > > > word > > > > > > > > > > (Arudha Lagna)? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, there are many principles given in > > Jaimini > > > > > > Sutras > > > > > > > > > > regarding reading from the Arudha Lagna (AL), > alone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd / 6th from the AL reveals the courage and > > rivalry > > > > about > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Trines to the AL will give it direction, and a > > rise > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > image > > > > > > > > > > wil occur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 2nd and 8th from the AL will be resources to > the > > > > image. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 7th will act like a baadhak (obstacle). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, in a similar fashion, one could examine the > > Hora, > > > > Ghati > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > Lagna alone, but will miss on the entire picture. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hoep that some of this helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes and warm regards, > > > > > > > > > > Nitin.> > > > > > > > > > :>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic-> > > > astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > > > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > Dear and respected members> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have read about the importance of special > lagnas > > in > > > > > > > > analysing > > > > > > > > > > > charts.Apart from sun and moon there are others > > like > > > > > > > > Ghati ,Hora > > > > > > > > > > > representing power,wealth etc.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But can we predict something based on just any > one > > of > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > Lagnas?> > > > > > > > > > > Because of permutation combinations we could > > always > > > > > deduct > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > yogas from some of these Lagnas.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shouldnt these lagnas be used only as an > > additional > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation.That is if some strength is present > > from > > > > > > > > > Rashi,Chandra > > > > > > > > > > > and Navamsha Varga, then we could go down to > Ghati > > or > > > > > Hora > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > Sree > > > > > > > > > > > etc.Forgive me if i am not correct here.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because if you get the chart of a popular person > > you > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > manage > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > find some yogas from any of these lagnas and > > convince > > > > > using > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > skills.But from an unpopular(this is a vague > > term!) > > > > chart > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > predict something based on these alone.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic-> > > > > > astrology/info.html> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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