On this beautiful Mother's day ....................

May 15, 2006

Namaste:

The great Tamil Poet Thiruvalluvar describes beautifully the moral

code of conduct for both the parents and children through verses 61

to 70. Here are two appropriate verses explaining the code of conduct

for the children for paying tribute to their parents.

Verse 68: "Endra poluthin perithavakkum than mahani Sandrone

Enakketta Thai"

A mother is extremely happy at the time of birth of her son. But her

joy exceeds when her son gets applauded by the society through his

good deeds!

Verse 69: "Mahan Thanthaikku Aatrum Uthavi Ivan Thanthai Ennotraan

Kol Enum Sol."

The son's duty to his father is to lead a life with high morals so

that everyone wonders and enquires: "By what great austerities did

his parents merit such a son?"

Harih Om!

Ram Chandran

advaitin, "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani> wrote:

>

> Namaste,

> "Matru Devo Bhava"

> For a mother to be a Deva or devi, her children have to earn that

status for her.

> This is an interpretation, I came across. When a son or a

daughter lives a very worthy life, people praise their parents and

give all the credits to the parents for the way they of their

upbringing..

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post number 31334

Thank you subbuji for 'enhancements' to my post.

You write :

(Again, when one becomes a Sannyasi, his earthly Father has to do

namaskaram to him. But the fortunate Mother of that Sannyasi is to

be offered namaskaram by that Sannyasi. Sri Chandrasekhara Bharati

Swamigal of Sringeri was in the practice of doing namaskaram to His

mother every day. )

Yes! Once my gurudeva ( a renunciate) told me that if all three

(Mother, Guru and Lord Govina ) were present in front of a Sadhaka,

the sadhaka should bow down to his womb mother first and then to his

guru next and lastly , he should touch the lotus feet of the Lord.

This makes sense , don't you think? It is the womb mother who gives

birth to us but it is the Guru who gives us spiritual birth! so both

are worthy of reverence! First our own earth mother and then Guru ,

our spiritual mother!

A Kabir doha goes like this

Guru Gobind douno khade

Kake lage pamv

Balihari Guru apno jin Gobind diyo batai.

If Guru and Govinda [the Lord) ] appear simultaneously, you have to

pay your obeisance to Guru only, because the Guru made you realize

Govinda.

Yes! Guru is like a 'mother' - it is he/she who purifies you and

shows you the way to God. Without the grace of a sadguru (

anugraham) it is not possible to realize god/ess. Here , i would also

like to add that it is by the grace of God/ess that you meet a human

guru !!!Strange, but true.

In the very first verse of Vivekas chudamani, Adi shankara

bhagvadapada states :

sarva-vedAnta-siddhAntagocaram tamagocaram|

govindam paramAnandam sadgurum pranato'smyaham||

I tender my obeisance to my sadguru, Govinda, the embodiment of

supreme bliss, who is beyond thought and sppech and who is the goal

of all VedAntic truths.

It is to be noted here that Sri BhagavatpAda combines in this sloka

his obeisance both to his own guru, Sri GovindabhagvatpAda and to the

Supreme God Sri Govinda Himself. He identifies his guru with the

Supreme God.

Adi shankara bhagvadapada had this great poetic talent to plasy on

words - herein this verse, Govinda refers to both his guru and god!

On another note , Maniji always has a knack of giving unique

interpreations to well-known phrases

in post 31335 , he states

("Matru Devo Bhava"

For a mother to be a Deva or devi, her children have to earn that

status for her.

This is an interpretation, I came across. When a son or a daughter

lives a very worthy life, people praise their parents and give all

the credits to the parents for the way they of their upbringing..)

True ! Who have heard of mothers like Azhagambaal , Aryaambaal,

Kasturba Gandhi , Jijabhai etc EXCEPT through the wonderful sons

they gave birth to? Shri Ramana made his mother's name a household

word - Adi Shankara 's mother is always quoted in Shankara

digvijayams , Gandhiji has proved that it was Kasturibai's religious

upbringiong that made all the difference to his spiritual outlook on

life and Jijabhai , Chhatrapati Shivaji's mother , was a great

influence in Shivaji's life .

Yes - the hand the rocks the cradle rules the world !

on another note , while the 'mother' is the prathama guru , in the

case of both Aryaambaal ( sri adi shankara's mother ) and Azhagambaal

( dsri Ramana) , their own illustrious sons showed their mothers the

path of self-realization. It is said , sri Ramana taught many things

to his mother AZHGAMBAAL including adjusting to Ashrama life . Under

Sri Ramana's guidance , Azhagambaal gave up al,l her prejudices of

caste etc and adopted all the inmates of the Ashram as her own

children . She also assumed charge of the Ashram kitchen and directed

the affairs of the kitchen. It was in the arms of Sri Ramana , she

breathed her last and obtained 'moksha' ! in this example, the son

became the spiritual 'mother' to his own physical mother!

It is also said that Sri Adi shankara showed the vision of lord

Vishnu to his mother Aryammbaal in her deathbed.

One final note -

subbuji write

Janani Janmabhoomicha swargatapi gariyasi

these famous words were uttered by sri Rama to srI Lakshmana WHEN

LAKSHMANA requested Sri Rama to stay behind in Sri Lanka , the golden

city which was full of beautiful women, gold and glamor , wealth and

fortune and Sri Rama retorted 'anyday he would return to his

punbhoomi Aydhya where his mothers live . " Ironic is it not ? these

days we have sons who leave their motherland to go to u.s.a , dubai

etc etc to seek their fortunes ! smile

love and blessings

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dhyanasaraswati <dhyanasaraswati > wrote:

>Ironic is it not ? these

days we have sons who leave their motherland to go to u.s.a , dubai

etc etc to seek their fortunes ! smile

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Sir,

With all respect to u,

i guess your this statement was uncalled for...

Its a plain judement not based on information....Its a mental Bias...You are judgin based on wat u want to infer,,,which im afriad might not be the case...

There are scores of examples where ppl have worked hard ,earned money , came back...and now run hospitals and support many ashrams....

So, please refrain from making undue statments...this is a different world...a global economy...Ppl bringing in foreign exchange are doing a great help to their own countries economy...

We need to change our outlook....

I am sorry if i hve hurt you in any way....I just wanted to get my point across...

Regards.

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Dear Aniruddha-ji!

i truly apologize if i hurt your feelings - that was just a 'joke' in

poor taste on my part ...

i myself am guilty of leaving my mother/motherland almost 28 years ago

and coming to U.S.A. .... i had no right to make that unsavory remark.

yes! you are right in these days of Global economy , indians are

making valuable contributions to other economies- not only that ! NRI

s are pumping back valuabble foreign exchange back into the local

economy of India with investments in infrastructure - in education,

medical research etc .... etc etc .

There are many ways of serving the Motherland!

i again apologize

love

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May 16, 2006

Dear Mam,

Honestly speaking i didn't expect an apology...

but as they say ..true greatness lies in accepting one's mistake ....

You have a noble spirit...and have manifested it accordingly...

Your children are blessed to have a mother like you...

God bless all...

Regards.

dhyanasaraswati <dhyanasaraswati > wrote:

Dear Aniruddha-ji!

i truly apologize if i hurt your feelings - that was just a 'joke' in

poor taste on my part ...

i myself am guilty of leaving my mother/motherland almost 28 years ago

and coming to U.S.A. .... i had no right to make that unsavory remark.

yes! you are right in these days of Global economy , indians are

making valuable contributions to other economies- not only that ! NRI

s are pumping back valuabble foreign exchange back into the local

economy of India with investments in infrastructure - in education,

medical research etc .... etc etc .

There are many ways of serving the Motherland!

i again apologize

love

List Moderator's Note: This message truly reflects the motherly spirit of Srimathi Dhyanasaraswati by admitting her inadvertant error. She is truly blessed by the Divine Mothers for this noble act.

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