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Mr. Sundeep,

`` Dear Chandrashekharji,Thank you for your explanation of the difference

between Adhana and Nisheka. Perhaps in this particular case you are correct’’

The findings of yours are a hasty statement, appended below are the statements

made by Mr.Chandrasekharji, he contradicts his own statements, and see items

marked (1)&(3). Adhana and Nisheka Lagna in item (2) are one and the same,

refer Kalamadhaviam.

(1) ``Are we not confusing the issues. The discussion refers to fixing of Adhana

Lagna. Prediction is always based on the time of birth, per principles of

Jyotish. The soul enters one born at that time. So there is no reason to apply

different principles, in so far as prediction based on Natal chart are

concerned.’’

(2)``Adhana Lagna has also to be properly understood. It refers to time of

coitus.It definitely is not Nisheka Lagna, though these terms are somewhat

loosely interchanged by many "

(3)``Nisheka only occurs(in case of embryo transplantation cases) when it

(embryo) is transplanted in the recipient's uterus and when it attaches to the

uterus. From then on it would again be about 279 days for the birth to take

place. So no where are the principles, of Jyotish, violated when you apply them

to such birth, based on either Nisheka or Birth time.As such there is no need to

reinvent jyotish to suit the new(?) techniques."

Dhananjayan.Bvedicastrostudent <vedicastrostudent > wrote:

Dear Chandrashekharji,Thank you for your explanation of the difference between

Adhana and Nisheka. Perhaps in this particular case you are correct - i.e. that

from Nisheka onwards everything proceeds naturally, so the principles of Jyotish

are directly applicable from Nisheka onwards. But nevertheless, my point still

remains - i.e. in general, when natural laws are toyed with or held in

abeyance, Jyotish should not be called upon to explain the results. Let me give

some examples of what medicine may hold for us in the future, and you (or anyone

else) tell me how Jyotish will go about explaining such events:1) You are aware

of gene replacement for therapeutic purposes, I presume? i.e. the specific

replacement of genes that cause deadly diseases that have genetic origin? What

if there is a time in the near future that humans

make the technological advances to select the best genes for health and replace

them in all newly fertilized embryos? Conceivably the genes in the resulting

embryo would be from many different mothers and fathers. Who would the father

and mother be in the resulting child's chart? Genetic father, companion of one

of the genetic mothers, companion of the child-delivering mother, or what?2)

You are also obviously aware of IVF (In Vitro Fertilization). I personally know

many many people who have used it, and these days it seems to be on the rise. Of

course, IVF works the same as natural pregnancy from Nisheka onwards as you say.

But the success rate of IVF is very low (people go through 5-6 cycles at 15,000

dollars per cycle) simply because Nisheka (embryonic attachment to uterine wall)

does not occur. What if there is a time when technological advancement has

reached the point at which the embryo is developed to

maturity outside a real woman's womb. In such a case, who would the mother be?

Especially if this technique were coupled with the one in point 1 above

(therapeutic manipulation of genes)?3) Even worse, medical research does not

only restrict itself to humans. Many animals are studied to find why they do

not contract certain diseases. If genes are uncovered in animals which help

fight certain diseases in humans, and they are then correspondingly activated

in newly fertilized embryos (with the aim of improving the resultant child's

health), the child's genetic heritage will not only include a few humans, but

some animals as well. Would this be correspondingly reflected in the child's

chart as well? And if your point if going to be that human genes are completely

different from animals, I must remind you that we shared an astounding 90% of

our genetic material with monkeys.4) Are you aware of the huge amount of

research currently going on in the field of aging? i.e. biologically, what is

the reason that our physical body gets weaker as we grow older. Several

biological causes have been determined. Technology may reach a point in which

aging can be "cured" to a large extent i.e. the only reason you would die would

be because of an accident or malicious action of another. The average life span

(projected by at least one such article I read) can theoretically reach 750

years or more. Would this then be in exact correspondence to Jyotish techniques

of predicting lifespan in Kaliyug?My point taking into consideration the above

possibilities remains somewhat like the following: It seems to me that Jyotish

will work well under natural circumstances. But when we start playing around

with the laws e.g. preventing someone from dying when they naturally would or

being born when they naturally would (after Adhana, that is), the (perhaps

approximate) concomitance of physical action (e.g. birth, death) and karmic

action (entering of soul, leaving of soul) would probably be lost, causing the

basic Jyotish techniques, which are based on laws of karma and the soul, to

fail. There are enough challenges in Jyotish of natural circumstances for any

student of astrology to be wasting time in challenges which may actually break

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Dear Sundeep,

 

i am with you. What if we see a Goat headed human being (produced out of cloning etc.,)?

 

Before speculating on future,we need to look at what has happened already. Do

not give up so easily, especially when our knowledge is not complete (due to so

many reasons).

 

There is need for deep meditation on this topic.

 

We interpret the astro principles, based on our understanding of the world

around us. So, the adage:- Desa, Kala & Patra, just to caution us. Had there

been humans with Goat heads, we would have had a lot of interpretations of the

principles in that direction.

 

(We need not speculate what happens in future- when God decides to create

something, He will provide the answer when you seek the same.)

 

i am dwelving on this, but not able to concentrate enough.

 

regards

viswanadham

 

vedicastrostudent <vedicastrostudent > wrote:

Dear Chandrashekharji,Although I can clarify further, I think the original drift

of my argument has been lost. So I will simply reiterate it to refocus the

discussion if any remains: I specifically want to caution against creating and

falling for astrological challenges based on the outcome of events based on

MANIPULATED natural law. My stance is actually more liberal towards Jyotish

than yours (as far as this argument evidences, that is). If you maintain that

all principles must be valid exactly as they are and must cover all future

manipulated possibilities then if someone froze an embryo for 70 years and then

proceeded to have a natural childbirth, you would be forced to admit that the

principles are incorrect simply because there is no scriptural basis for this

possibility. On the other hand, using my stance, it is possible to

view Jyotish principles as still being correct, just NOT APPLICABLE directly in

such manipulated cases. I hope you see the difference. It is not that the

people born of those cases are not subject to the laws of karma. They still

are, in exactly the same way as everyone. Simply that in a sense, their

physical birth times, adhana times, nisheka times have been artificially toyed

around with to not reflect their karmic birth times, adhana times, nisheka

times. Sundeep