Where exactly is the challenge?: Astrological... your wildest fantasy

February 6, 2004

Dear Dhira Krsna dasa,

Not that simple as you say in my opinion. I may agree with you to the term

"mother" when connected with "birth" but not when it comes to genes and

inherited qualities as it will not be "the mother". What remains is the

question of blood, of which I am still waiting for a qualifies medical

response.

Besides, only a careful study of such a child's chart, will reveal which

"mother" is shown there.

Regards

/Jay Weiss

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Friday, February 06, 2004 10:43 PM

[vedic astrology] Where exactly is the challenge?: Re:

Astrological... your wildest fantasy

> Dear Jay, Dhira and all others,

>

> I have read most of the replies on this thread. Yet I only see one

> approach - Looking into the age old literature to see if the current

> events are explainable by age old prediction techniques. My question

> to you all is: Isnt Jyotish in this particular respect similar to all

> other sciences? For example, through the study of biology, we know

> that after conception, the human embryo takes approximately 9 months

> to reach maturity. Does the fact that there has been, in this case,

> 12 YEARS from conception to maturity, contradict any biological law?

> No, we KNOW that we actually toyed around with the development of the

> embryo (froze it in it's tracks literally), and hence normal

> biological laws cannot be applied. In an exactly similar vein, why

> should existing Jyotish techniques cover cases in which natural law

> has been toyed with? Am I missing something? Is there some shloka or

> such in some scripture somewhere which says that Jyotish is based on

> some natural law that just cannot be toyed around with (and hence

> every single event must be explainable by known techniques?)? If

> there isnt, then we should simply accept these cases as unnatural

> cases in which it is not necessary that known predictive techniques

> must work. We may evolve new ones if such cases repeat themselves

> over and over. A related thought is: It might be worth noting the

> exact positions of ALL planets at the time of such conception, and

> search history for those exact occurrences. Did conception at that

> time result in similar behavior? If it did, then perhaps Jyotish does

> cover such possibilities.

>

> Sundeep

>

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February 6, 2004

Dear Jay,

These are very relevant issues:

As you said:

'the question of blood' major one- remains, nobody denies its primary

importance! Of genes, blood, inheritance..

Also, you said "child's chart, will reveal which"mother" is shown there- exactly, excellent!

/Most of you know of a recent 'identical twins' case, adopted at an early age in

different families- met after 20 yrs- both lost their /adoptive/ father from

cancer at the same time!? Identical twins are so good for longitudinal study,

for that reason.. Which type of destiny 'operates' here? I'd say 'destiny by

role'?

No, not simple issues at all- lots of challenges to what we (think) we know /and

we'll be facing more and more/

Best wishes,

Anna

"J.Weiss" <jayhw (AT) telia (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Dhira Krsna dasa,Not that simple as you say in my opinion. I may agree with

you to the term"mother" when connected with "birth" but not when it comes to

genes andinherited qualities as it will not be "the mother". What remains is

thequestion of blood, of which I am still waiting for a qualifies

medicalresponse.Besides, only a careful study of such a child's chart, will

reveal which"mother" is shown there.Regards/Jay

Weisshttp://www.alvicomm.comhttp://www.alvicomm.com/privat.htm----- Original

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PM[vedic astrology] Where exactly is the challenge?:

Re:Astrological... your wildest fantasy> Dear Jay, Dhira and all others,>> I

have read most of the replies on this thread. Yet I only see one> approach -

Looking into the age old literature to see if the current> events are

explainable by age old prediction techniques. My question> to you all is: Isnt

Jyotish in this particular respect similar to all> other sciences? For example,

through the study of biology, we know> that after conception, the human embryo

takes approximately 9 months> to reach maturity. Does the fact that there has

been, in this case,> 12 YEARS from conception to maturity, contradict any

biological law?> No, we KNOW that we actually toyed around with the development

of the> embryo (froze it in it's tracks literally), and hence normal> biological

laws cannot be applied. In an exactly similar vein, why> should existing Jyotish

techniques cover cases in

which natural law> has been toyed with? Am I missing something? Is there some

shloka or> such in some scripture somewhere which says that Jyotish is based

on> some natural law that just cannot be toyed around with (and hence> every

single event must be explainable by known techniques?)? If> there isnt, then we

should simply accept these cases as unnatural> cases in which it is not

necessary that known predictive techniques> must work. We may evolve new ones

if such cases repeat themselves> over and over. A related thought is: It might

be worth noting the> exact positions of ALL planets at the time of such

conception, and> search history for those exact occurrences. Did conception at

that> time result in similar behavior? If it did, then perhaps Jyotish does>

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February 7, 2004

Dear Sundeep,

Are we not confusing the issues. The discussion refers to fixing of

Adhana Lagna. Prediction is always based on the time of birth, per

principles of Jyotish. The soul enters one born at that time. So there

is no reason to apply different principles, in so far as prediction

based on Natal chart are concerned.

Adhana Lagna has also to be properly understood. It refers to time of

coitus.It definitely is not Nisheka Lagna, though these terms are

somewhat loosely interchanged by many.

Nisheka Lagna is based on the time of attachment of embryo to the

mother;'s Uterus. Nisheka lagna calculations are primarily based on the

premise that the birth occurs after a gestation period of about 279

days and these are deducted to arrive at Nisheka lagna. In embryo

extraction super ovulation is made to occur and the multiple embryos

formed after sperm meets the multiple ova, are flushed out prior to

their attachment to the female's uterus, these are then frozen by means

of liquid nitrogen for future use.

Nisheka only occurs(in case of embryo transplantation cases) when it

(embryo) is transplanted in the recipient's uterus and when it attaches

to the uterus. From then on it would again be about 279 days for the

birth to take place. So no where are the principles, of Jyotish,

violated when you apply them to such birth, based on either Nisheka or

Birth time.As such there is no need to reinvent jyotish to suit the

new(?) techniques. I am certain that if there is any gynalocgist on the

list who has carried out embryo transplantation, he,she would confirm

what I have stated .

Hope this helps clarify the matter.

Chandrashekhar.

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