Guest guest Posted February 11, 2004 Report Share Posted February 11, 2004 Sundeep, Great explanation of the scientific method. And I'm intrigued by your other proposal, that the planets are timing events - or actually by the generalization thereof, that the planets as well as individual events follow the same general pattern. Somewhat like a hologram, the macrocosm and the microcosm displaying similar patterns. Possibly under the direction of the same Divine Spirit. Very interesting, I'll have to think about this some more. Why are you considering only gravitational forces, though? How about light or other electromagnetic radiations from the planets? Why rule out these as a possible cause of the effects we see from their movements? Or, for something a little more wierd, how about non- local effects, as per Bell's theorem? Non-locality has been proven about 20 years back experimentally, and was postulated sometime in the sixties. (Not trying to show off my meagre scientific knowledge here - since gravitational forces may be weak beyond a certain point, I'm wondering about other forces from the planets. I apologize if this is getting too crazy.) Venkat vedic astrology, "vedicastrostudent" <vedicastrostudent> wrote: > Siva, > I am forced to comment on one statement of yours, because I see > people misinterpreting this all the time. This is not directed at > you, but a general attitude I have seen which I think needs to be > corrected: > > > For me and probably many others, seeing is believing and we > believe > > in astrology but I dont think there has ever been a *complete* > > explanation of how Jyotish works. > > > The true scientist values empiricism above all else. This is the > unalterable sequence for any true scientist: OBSERVATION comes first, > then HYPOTHESIS, then PREDICTION based on hypothesis, then promotion > of HYPOTHESIS to EXPLANATION based on the VALIDATION of it's > PREDICTIONS. What I see many many people doing is debunking Jyotish > falsely under the covers of "science". When they say "how can a > planet millions of miles away affect our destiny", they are not being > scientific because they are FIRST looking for an EXPLANATION, BEFORE > accepting the OBSERVATIONS. A true scientist always observes first, > even if he has no theories or explanations, or worse, even if the > observations flatly contradict his pre-existing beliefs and theories. > Einstein for example OBSERVED that the speed of light was a dead > constant in all directions BEFORE he hypothesized the theory that > explained it. The constancy of the speed of light was in stark > contradiction to then existing theories, but that didnt stop Einstein > from observing that constancy as a FACT. > > The true scientific approach to Jyotish is to observe first. *IS* > there a correlation between the movement of planets and our lives? > Once you get PAST that i.e have answered the question in YES or NO, > you can proceed to the hypothesis. People frequently go the other > way - they cant find a comfortable hypothesis, so they deny the > facts. That is not scientific. > > Secondly, the next biggest mistake I see people making, and yes I > have not seen ONE person point out this mistake is that when they see > a correlation between A and B, they automatically assume that A > CAUSES B. That is an assumption - it is only ONE possibility of > potentially more. Case in point: Jyotish. When they see the movement > of planets correlating directly with the events in the lives of > people, people automatically assume that the movement of planets > CAUSES those events. Huh? Why? Say for example the mail in your house > comes at 2pm. You keep watching the clock on the wall, and when it > hits 2pm you run to your mailbox and sure enough, there is the mail. > Did the movement of the clock to the position 2pm CAUSE the mail to > come? No! Both the mailman and you are using a synchronized clock. > Neither caused the other. The same MAY be the case for JYOTISH. It > MAY - I dont know, I am simply not eliminating it as a possibility. > The planets may be like a complex clock in the sky (that can be read > only by competent astrologers of course), keeping time of events that > occur in your life. They may only be the clock, not necessarily the > process that causes the event. I find it funny when people say - we > know all the material forces e.g. gravity that emanate from all > planets, and none has enough magnitude to affect anything on earth. > My answer - So what? The planets may not be CAUSING the things on > earth, simply TIMING them. > > > Sundeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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