Guest guest Posted April 12, 2004 Report Share Posted April 12, 2004 Dear Partha ji Thanks for your reply.Hoping retrograde mercury is not influencing the thought process, i would write the following. My knowledge is limited compared to yours and hence ignore irrelevant logic,if any. Though i knew Rahu indicates our material desires the following statements from you were good. > Ketu is the headless body that always looks upwards(ganesha , > mooladhara chakra) to get a head full of wisdom, > > Rahu is the head that wants a body(material) so as to fulfill its > desires(asura who drank amrita, to become immortal). Thanks for this. But for the following from your mail > the "externalities" such as astronomical approximations are only for > the purpose of calculations and not for the deeper understanding of > the "grahas" role in our lives you may kindly read my mail again.I have mentioned clearly that role of a planet is totally different(it is the philosophy) and astronomical considerations are for finding the technicality behind aspects.Thus there is no difference between our opinions. Now i beleive chaya grahas are not invisible grahas rather shadowy planets and hence they take on the properties of planets with whom they associate.They are called planets merely because of the planetary shapes they are wearing by virtue of shadows. The kind of shadows formed on points rahu and ketu may be slightly different and hence different results.But why different shadows are formed is controlled by the astronomy which in turn is decided by the divine(the philosophy). Now the puzzling question is why rahu behaves as sani and ketu as kuja,when alone? If we get an answer, may be there lies a clue for understanding their roles in deep. Also relating ketu to ganesha - is it because of the ganesha, siva mythology of losing head and getting replaced with elephant head. Best regds Pradeep vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu5> wrote: > Dear Pradeep > > Though i had thought of not posting anything till mercury retro is > completed, but still i am taking a risk, > > Rahu and ketu are the invisible grahas, the chaya grahas. Too often > their role has been taken in literal sense, and we always look > for "reasons" for their aspect. > > Rahu has aspects, but ketu doesnot have any aspects. > Ketu is the headless body that always looks upwards(ganesha , > mooladhara chakra) to get a head full of wisdom, > > Rahu is the head that wants a body(material) so as to fulfill its > desires(asura who drank amrita, to become immortal). > > Now the question is how can invisible planet like Rahu aspect. > The basic point is that we cannot even see "air" which is fourth > element after earth, liquid and fire. And what about ether, and the > Shabda Brahman himself. So where is the question of even percieving > the unpercievable. > > Rahu and ketu are too gross or too subtle for a layman to understand. > Atleast all the astrologers agree to this viewpoint. > > It has been repeated many times in this forum that Rahu represents > the Aham that needs to be overcome before the individual atma can be > merged in supersoul. It has always been stated that > the "externalities" such as astronomical approximations are only for > the purpose of calculations and not for the deeper understanding of > the "grahas" role in our lives. But again and again i am watching the > same old discussion as to why Rahu cannot aspect etc. > Remember list members, that Jyotishya is very much part of vedanga. > There cannot be any understanding , unless we can percieve > the "ethernet". > best wishes > partha > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > Dear Sunil > > > > Kindly read the following views from my limited knowledge. > > > > Basically all planets may aspect each other/different houses. (Thus > > we have Rashi drishti as well).Because aspect means kind of > > influence or passing on or exchange of properties. > > But those aspects which can have a significant influence is what > > that really matters.In that sense the general aspect on 7th house > is > > considered as the complete aspect. > > Now think of Rahu and Ketu. > > Before coming to aspect, the most powerful influence from a planet > > is based on placement.Because you have better control over your > > office when you are really there than viewing and controlling from > a > > distance. > > But in case of Rahu and Ketu, when they are in a house - what is > the > > influence attributed to them?Rahu and Ketu takes on the properties > > of planets associated and also that of his dispositor.Thus it means > > it is more or less behaving like others with whom he is in > > contact/lordship.Of course when they are alone they behave like > > saturn and mars respectively.But this is just behaviour and cannot > > be the planets themselves and hence cannot have astronomical > > siginificances of the said planets. > > > > When we speak about planetary influences ,there are two basic > > things.One is the philosophy behind the planets,which explains what > > happens when they are placed in a house or when they cast > > aspects.The other is the astronomical relevance which make them > cast > > an aspect.This is like a rule.Since Rahu and Ketu are not planets > > they can have a philosophy but not the astronomical relevance to > > cast significant aspects.May be those points in space(nodes) can > > receive influences and hence the explantion from sages (they taken > > on properties by virtue of contacts and lordship).Thus my personal > > opinion is they cannot cast an aspect for the above said reasons. > > > > Now for the other special aspects(4,8-5,9 & 3,10).Again there is a > > philosophy as well as astronomical reason.For philosophy you could > > read an old post from Chandrashekhar ji.The astronomical reason is > > Mars,Jupiter and Saturn are Superior planets.It means they have > > larger orbits than earth(Me Ve E Ma J S ) as compared w.r to Venus > > and Mercury. Their astronomical placement itself can expalin the > > philosophy! Because you need specific positions to take on your > > responsibilities. > > > > Also Venus the asura guru is close and hence relate to finer > aspects > > like arts and what not(master of all shastras) and also manipulative > > (Read how shukracharya had become one eyed).While the Deva guru > > Jupiter knows from a broad sense and gives advise of that > nature.See > > the difference.Saturn the servant is away from the royal > > circles.Mars the commander in chief is close and bordering the > royal > > circle. > > > > These are my personal views but with a sincere quest for > truth.Gurus > > may be able to correct and guide. > > The trick in astrology is you may think the analysis is correct > when > > you attribute certain reasons for causes.But if we are not > filtering > > especially in the case of astronomical rules then we are only > making > > the science more complex.But philosophy is a different thing you > > have to read a lot for understanding the planets and it is an > > evergrowing process.One could see this from brilliant mails of > > Ramadas raoji (what all that a planet could represent or mean by > its > > placement and aspect) > > > > Regds & Respect > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sunil John" > > <suniljohn_2004@h...> wrote: > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2004 Report Share Posted April 12, 2004 Dear Partha ji Thanks for your reply.Hoping retrograde mercury is not influencing the thought process, i would write the following. My knowledge is limited compared to yours and hence ignore irrelevant logic,if any. Though i knew Rahu indicates our material desires the following statements from you were good. > Ketu is the headless body that always looks upwards(ganesha , > mooladhara chakra) to get a head full of wisdom, > > Rahu is the head that wants a body(material) so as to fulfill its > desires(asura who drank amrita, to become immortal). Thanks for this. But for the following from your mail > the "externalities" such as astronomical approximations are only for > the purpose of calculations and not for the deeper understanding of > the "grahas" role in our lives you may kindly read my mail again.I have mentioned clearly that role of a planet is totally different(it is the philosophy) and astronomical considerations are for finding the technicality behind aspects.Thus there is no difference between our opinions. Now i beleive chaya grahas are not invisible grahas rather shadowy planets and hence they take on the properties of planets with whom they associate.They are called planets merely because of the planetary shapes they are wearing by virtue of shadows. The kind of shadows formed on points rahu and ketu may be slightly different and hence different results.But why different shadows are formed is controlled by the astronomy which in turn is decided by the divine(the philosophy). Now the puzzling question is why rahu behaves as sani and ketu as kuja,when alone? If we get an answer, may be there lies a clue for understanding their roles in deep. Also relating ketu to ganesha - is it because of the ganesha, siva mythology of losing head and getting replaced with elephant head. Best regds Pradeep vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu5> wrote: > Dear Pradeep > > Though i had thought of not posting anything till mercury retro is > completed, but still i am taking a risk, > > Rahu and ketu are the invisible grahas, the chaya grahas. Too often > their role has been taken in literal sense, and we always look > for "reasons" for their aspect. > > Rahu has aspects, but ketu doesnot have any aspects. > Ketu is the headless body that always looks upwards(ganesha , > mooladhara chakra) to get a head full of wisdom, > > Rahu is the head that wants a body(material) so as to fulfill its > desires(asura who drank amrita, to become immortal). > > Now the question is how can invisible planet like Rahu aspect. > The basic point is that we cannot even see "air" which is fourth > element after earth, liquid and fire. And what about ether, and the > Shabda Brahman himself. So where is the question of even percieving > the unpercievable. > > Rahu and ketu are too gross or too subtle for a layman to understand. > Atleast all the astrologers agree to this viewpoint. > > It has been repeated many times in this forum that Rahu represents > the Aham that needs to be overcome before the individual atma can be > merged in supersoul. It has always been stated that > the "externalities" such as astronomical approximations are only for > the purpose of calculations and not for the deeper understanding of > the "grahas" role in our lives. But again and again i am watching the > same old discussion as to why Rahu cannot aspect etc. > Remember list members, that Jyotishya is very much part of vedanga. > There cannot be any understanding , unless we can percieve > the "ethernet". > best wishes > partha > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > Dear Sunil > > > > Kindly read the following views from my limited knowledge. > > > > Basically all planets may aspect each other/different houses. (Thus > > we have Rashi drishti as well).Because aspect means kind of > > influence or passing on or exchange of properties. > > But those aspects which can have a significant influence is what > > that really matters.In that sense the general aspect on 7th house > is > > considered as the complete aspect. > > Now think of Rahu and Ketu. > > Before coming to aspect, the most powerful influence from a planet > > is based on placement.Because you have better control over your > > office when you are really there than viewing and controlling from > a > > distance. > > But in case of Rahu and Ketu, when they are in a house - what is > the > > influence attributed to them?Rahu and Ketu takes on the properties > > of planets associated and also that of his dispositor.Thus it means > > it is more or less behaving like others with whom he is in > > contact/lordship.Of course when they are alone they behave like > > saturn and mars respectively.But this is just behaviour and cannot > > be the planets themselves and hence cannot have astronomical > > siginificances of the said planets. > > > > When we speak about planetary influences ,there are two basic > > things.One is the philosophy behind the planets,which explains what > > happens when they are placed in a house or when they cast > > aspects.The other is the astronomical relevance which make them > cast > > an aspect.This is like a rule.Since Rahu and Ketu are not planets > > they can have a philosophy but not the astronomical relevance to > > cast significant aspects.May be those points in space(nodes) can > > receive influences and hence the explantion from sages (they taken > > on properties by virtue of contacts and lordship).Thus my personal > > opinion is they cannot cast an aspect for the above said reasons. > > > > Now for the other special aspects(4,8-5,9 & 3,10).Again there is a > > philosophy as well as astronomical reason.For philosophy you could > > read an old post from Chandrashekhar ji.The astronomical reason is > > Mars,Jupiter and Saturn are Superior planets.It means they have > > larger orbits than earth(Me Ve E Ma J S ) as compared w.r to Venus > > and Mercury. Their astronomical placement itself can expalin the > > philosophy! Because you need specific positions to take on your > > responsibilities. > > > > Also Venus the asura guru is close and hence relate to finer > aspects > > like arts and what not(master of all shastras) and also manipulative > > (Read how shukracharya had become one eyed).While the Deva guru > > Jupiter knows from a broad sense and gives advise of that > nature.See > > the difference.Saturn the servant is away from the royal > > circles.Mars the commander in chief is close and bordering the > royal > > circle. > > > > These are my personal views but with a sincere quest for > truth.Gurus > > may be able to correct and guide. > > The trick in astrology is you may think the analysis is correct > when > > you attribute certain reasons for causes.But if we are not > filtering > > especially in the case of astronomical rules then we are only > making > > the science more complex.But philosophy is a different thing you > > have to read a lot for understanding the planets and it is an > > evergrowing process.One could see this from brilliant mails of > > Ramadas raoji (what all that a planet could represent or mean by > its > > placement and aspect) > > > > Regds & Respect > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sunil John" > > <suniljohn_2004@h...> wrote: > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2004 Report Share Posted April 12, 2004 Dear Partha, If I may say so, aspects of planetary concept is based on sound astronomical principles and not merely on conjecture. Sanjay has explained this to some extent when explaining why the Superior planets have more than one aspects. No doubt one of the BPHS edition does have shloka on the aspects of Rahu and many astrologers of repute do use them. The shloka also states about 7th aspect of Rahu. Now since Ketu is always located in 7th from Rahu, why should the Sage, known for brevity of his shlokas, mention 7th house aspect? Especially so when no special effects than those by association by Ketu are attributed to the 7th aspect of Rahu, is the question that troubles me. At the same time astronomical reasons for the aspects also need to be studied. Not all principles are based on ether net, but sound observations of Rishis, and that is why they have enjoined upon the students to confirm Graha spashta by both Siddhanta and Drikganita. A good astronomical site that explains aspects graphically is http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/celestial/aspects.html , you may like to check it. I would appreciate your valued opinion on this. Regards, Chandrashekhar. V.Partha sarathy wrote: > Dear Pradeep > > Though i had thought of not posting anything till mercury retro is > completed, but still i am taking a risk, > > Rahu and ketu are the invisible grahas, the chaya grahas. Too often > their role has been taken in literal sense, and we always look > for "reasons" for their aspect. > > Rahu has aspects, but ketu doesnot have any aspects. > Ketu is the headless body that always looks upwards(ganesha , > mooladhara chakra) to get a head full of wisdom, > > Rahu is the head that wants a body(material) so as to fulfill its > desires(asura who drank amrita, to become immortal). > > Now the question is how can invisible planet like Rahu aspect. > The basic point is that we cannot even see "air" which is fourth > element after earth, liquid and fire. And what about ether, and the > Shabda Brahman himself. So where is the question of even percieving > the unpercievable. > > Rahu and ketu are too gross or too subtle for a layman to understand. > Atleast all the astrologers agree to this viewpoint. > > It has been repeated many times in this forum that Rahu represents > the Aham that needs to be overcome before the individual atma can be > merged in supersoul. It has always been stated that > the "externalities" such as astronomical approximations are only for > the purpose of calculations and not for the deeper understanding of > the "grahas" role in our lives. But again and again i am watching the > same old discussion as to why Rahu cannot aspect etc. > Remember list members, that Jyotishya is very much part of vedanga. > There cannot be any understanding , unless we can percieve > the "ethernet". > best wishes > partha > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > Dear Sunil > > > > Kindly read the following views from my limited knowledge. > > > > Basically all planets may aspect each other/different houses.(Thus > > we have Rashi drishti as well).Because aspect means kind of > > influence or passing on or exchange of properties. > > But those aspects which can have a significant influence is what > > that really matters.In that sense the general aspect on 7th house > is > > considered as the complete aspect. > > Now think of Rahu and Ketu. > > Before coming to aspect, the most powerful influence from a planet > > is based on placement.Because you have better control over your > > office when you are really there than viewing and controlling from > a > > distance. > > But in case of Rahu and Ketu, when they are in a house - what is > the > > influence attributed to them?Rahu and Ketu takes on the properties > > of planets associated and also that of his dispositor.Thus it means > > it is more or less behaving like others with whom he is in > > contact/lordship.Of course when they are alone they behave like > > saturn and mars respectively.But this is just behaviour and cannot > > be the planets themselves and hence cannot have astronomical > > siginificances of the said planets. > > > > When we speak about planetary influences ,there are two basic > > things.One is the philosophy behind the planets,which explains what > > happens when they are placed in a house or when they cast > > aspects.The other is the astronomical relevance which make them > cast > > an aspect.This is like a rule.Since Rahu and Ketu are not planets > > they can have a philosophy but not the astronomical relevance to > > cast significant aspects.May be those points in space(nodes) can > > receive influences and hence the explantion from sages (they taken > > on properties by virtue of contacts and lordship).Thus my personal > > opinion is they cannot cast an aspect for the above said reasons. > > > > Now for the other special aspects(4,8-5,9 & 3,10).Again there is a > > philosophy as well as astronomical reason.For philosophy you could > > read an old post from Chandrashekhar ji.The astronomical reason is > > Mars,Jupiter and Saturn are Superior planets.It means they have > > larger orbits than earth(Me Ve E Ma J S ) as compared w.r to Venus > > and Mercury. Their astronomical placement itself can expalin the > > philosophy! Because you need specific positions to take on your > > responsibilities. > > > > Also Venus the asura guru is close and hence relate to finer > aspects > > like arts and what not(master of all shastras) and also manipulative > > (Read how shukracharya had become one eyed).While the Deva guru > > Jupiter knows from a broad sense and gives advise of that > nature.See > > the difference.Saturn the servant is away from the royal > > circles.Mars the commander in chief is close and bordering the > royal > > circle. > > > > These are my personal views but with a sincere quest for > truth.Gurus > > may be able to correct and guide. > > The trick in astrology is you may think the analysis is correct > when > > you attribute certain reasons for causes.But if we are not > filtering > > especially in the case of astronomical rules then we are only > making > > the science more complex.But philosophy is a different thing you > > have to read a lot for understanding the planets and it is an > > evergrowing process.One could see this from brilliant mails of > > Ramadas raoji (what all that a planet could represent or mean by > its > > placement and aspect) > > > > Regds & Respect > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sunil John" > > <suniljohn_2004@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted April 13, 2004 Report Share Posted April 13, 2004 Dear Shri Chandrasekhar, I agree with what you have said regaring the theory of aspects. As you correctly say, Sanjay has explained it but to some extent. For instance, if superior planets have special aspects, then why are the same being attributed to Rahu who is a node of the moon and therefore can be treated as an inferior type planet? Possibly I may be wrong in my understanding here. The graphics at the weblink provided by you probably explain why all planets have 7th house aspect but do not explain the special aspects. I am of the opinion that our sages have observed the characteristics of the sunlight and mapped each of the 7 characteristics to the light reflected by each one of the 7 planets (for example, the light from the Moon is said to be sushumna). Then with respect to the superior planets, our sages might have observed the resultant directions in which the sunlight is being reflected and accordingly postulated these special aspects. So it requires some study in the physics of the radiation effects as well as astronomy. Remember that some time back, we were talking about a link between the 11 year solar sunspot cycle and the 11 rudras? There are many more mysteries to be uncovered. Do you think upagrahas are a mere mathematical invention of the sages? regards HariChandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Partha,If I may say so, aspects of planetary concept is based on sound astronomical principles and not merely on conjecture. Sanjay has explained this to some extent when explaining why the Superior planets have more than one aspects. No doubt one of the BPHS edition does have shloka on the aspects of Rahu and many astrologers of repute do use them. The shloka also states about 7th aspect of Rahu. Now since Ketu is always located in 7th from Rahu, why should the Sage, known for brevity of his shlokas, mention 7th house aspect? Especially so when no special effects than those by association by Ketu are attributed to the 7th aspect of Rahu, is the question that troubles me.At the same time astronomical reasons for the aspects also need to be studied. Not all principles are based on ether net, but sound observations of Rishis, and that is why they have enjoined upon the students to confirm Graha spashta by both Siddhanta and Drikganita. A good astronomical site that explains aspects graphically is http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/celestial/aspects.html , you may like to check it. I would appreciate your valued opinion on this.Regards,Chandrashekhar.V.Partha sarathy wrote:> Dear Pradeep>> Though i had thought of not posting anything till mercury retro is> completed, but still i am taking a risk,>> Rahu and ketu are the invisible grahas, the chaya grahas. Too often> their role has been taken in literal sense, and we always look> for "reasons" for their aspect.>> Rahu has aspects, but ketu doesnot have any aspects.> Ketu is the headless body that always looks upwards(ganesha ,> mooladhara chakra) to get a head full of wisdom,>> Rahu is the head that wants a body(material) so as to fulfill its> desires(asura who drank amrita, to become immortal).>> Now the question is how can invisible planet like Rahu aspect.> The basic point is that we cannot even see "air" which is fourth> element after earth, liquid and fire. And what about ether, and the> Shabda Brahman himself. So where is the question of even percieving> the unpercievable.>> Rahu and ketu are too gross or too subtle for a layman to understand.> Atleast all the astrologers agree to this viewpoint.>> It has been repeated many times in this forum that Rahu represents> the Aham that needs to be overcome before the individual atma can be> merged in supersoul. It has always been stated that> the "externalities" such as astronomical approximations are only for> the purpose of calculations and not for the deeper understanding of> the "grahas" role in our lives. But again and again i am watching the> same old discussion as to why Rahu cannot aspect etc.> Remember list members, that Jyotishya is very much part of vedanga.> There cannot be any understanding , unless we can percieve> the "ethernet".> best wishes> partha>>> vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"> <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:> > Dear Sunil> >> > Kindly read the following views from my limited knowledge.> >> > Basically all planets may aspect each other/different houses.(Thus> > we have Rashi drishti as well).Because aspect means kind of> > influence or passing on or exchange of properties.> > But those aspects which can have a significant influence is what> > that really matters.In that sense the general aspect on 7th house> is> > considered as the complete aspect.> > Now think of Rahu and Ketu.> > Before coming to aspect, the most powerful influence from a planet> > is based on placement.Because you have better control over your> > office when you are really there than viewing and controlling from> a> > distance.> > But in case of Rahu and Ketu, when they are in a house - what is> the> > influence attributed to them?Rahu and Ketu takes on the properties> > of planets associated and also that of his dispositor.Thus it means> > it is more or less behaving like others with whom he is in> > contact/lordship.Of course when they are alone they behave like> > saturn and mars respectively.But this is just behaviour and cannot> > be the planets themselves and hence cannot have astronomical> > siginificances of the said planets.> >> > When we speak about planetary influences ,there are two basic> > things.One is the philosophy behind the planets,which explains what> > happens when they are placed in a house or when they cast> > aspects.The other is the astronomical relevance which make them> cast> > an aspect.This is like a rule.Since Rahu and Ketu are not planets> > they can have a philosophy but not the astronomical relevance to> > cast significant aspects.May be those points in space(nodes) can> > receive influences and hence the explantion from sages (they taken> > on properties by virtue of contacts and lordship).Thus my personal> > opinion is they cannot cast an aspect for the above said reasons.> >> > Now for the other special aspects(4,8-5,9 & 3,10).Again there is a> > philosophy as well as astronomical reason.For philosophy you could> > read an old post from Chandrashekhar ji.The astronomical reason is> > Mars,Jupiter and Saturn are Superior planets.It means they have> > larger orbits than earth(Me Ve E Ma J S ) as compared w.r to Venus> > and Mercury. Their astronomical placement itself can expalin the> > philosophy! Because you need specific positions to take on your> > responsibilities.> >> > Also Venus the asura guru is close and hence relate to finer> aspects> > like arts and what not(master of all shastras) and also manipulative> > (Read how shukracharya had become one eyed).While the Deva guru> > Jupiter knows from a broad sense and gives advise of that> nature.See> > the difference.Saturn the servant is away from the royal> > circles.Mars the commander in chief is close and bordering the> royal> > circle.> >> > These are my personal views but with a sincere quest for> truth.Gurus> > may be able to correct and guide.> > The trick in astrology is you may think the analysis is correct> when> > you attribute certain reasons for causes.But if we are not> filtering> > especially in the case of astronomical rules then we are only> making> > the science more complex.But philosophy is a different thing you> > have to read a lot for understanding the planets and it is an> > evergrowing process.One could see this from brilliant mails of> > Ramadas raoji (what all that a planet could represent or mean by> its> > placement and aspect)> >> > Regds & Respect> > Pradeep> >> >> >> > vedic astrology, "Sunil John"> > <suniljohn_2004@h...> wrote:> >> > >>>>> Archives: vedic astrology>> Group info: vedic astrology/info.html>> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology->> ....... 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Guest guest Posted April 13, 2004 Report Share Posted April 13, 2004 Thank you for the comments. I agree with you regarding the sound astronomical principles based on observations by seers. My understanding is that ketu doesnot have any aspects. Rahu the reason for rebirth has four aspects. The Normal aspects of 5,7,9 as well as the 12th aspect(rebirth). As i am reading Bhagavatam , i have understood a few things that i would like to share. a) As given in BPHS, the planets are first given various portfolios and have also been explained through the various Avatars of Mahavishnu, b) Mathematics was not born first, nor were the various planets, we have to always understand that Rishis are "Seers", were geniuses who understood the subtle relations between what was "perceived" externally through the naked eye, to what is present beyond the eye, and even within a system(SOUL, oversoul and the supersoul). c) A system need not be studied only by instruments such as telescope or Microscope, the great Rishsis discovered many formulae, the concept of "ATOM" through meditation. They did not do so by using some fancy instruments. d) First comes the holy SHABDA "AUM", and then only the other things. e) Shankara has clearly stated, that there is no one to teach, none to be taught, there is no one to be liberated, none liberated. What he means here. that the purpose of teaching of a guru, is only of an instruction of an objectified Brahman. The object as well as Subject are one and the same. f) I would not like to delve too much into metaphysics, but at the same time like to point out that mere mathematical calculations, and observations do not mean anything, unless they have some "relevance" in our understanding. the relevance can only be understood when we are also aware of the environment and the causes for the environment. g) All the creation is of the Omniscient and the Omnipotent lord, and Jyotishya is the Third eye that opens the door to the perceptions and understand the divinity in everything. h) I myself wanted to be an astronomer, and was a mathematics student for long. I was a hard core skeptic not long ago, and used to talk only of logic. i) Logic is helpful only to divide as Mars is the karaka for the same, but to understand life, and to help people through astrology what we need are the connections and the perceptions. j) Not even a single atom exists in this world without a "cause". The cause is always the most important, as we should always look at the "moola" or root of a event or a subject, rather than branches. Remedial measures in my experience try to cut the branches, rather than uproot the causes. I hope i am very clear on this subject. And by the way thank you for the site that has shown the interesting aspects of planets. best wishesparthaChandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Partha,If I may say so, aspects of planetary concept is based on sound astronomical principles and not merely on conjecture. Sanjay has explained this to some extent when explaining why the Superior planets have more than one aspects. No doubt one of the BPHS edition does have shloka on the aspects of Rahu and many astrologers of repute do use them. The shloka also states about 7th aspect of Rahu. Now since Ketu is always located in 7th from Rahu, why should the Sage, known for brevity of his shlokas, mention 7th house aspect? Especially so when no special effects than those by association by Ketu are attributed to the 7th aspect of Rahu, is the question that troubles me.At the same time astronomical reasons for the aspects also need to be studied. Not all principles are based on ether net, but sound observations of Rishis, and that is why they have enjoined upon the students to confirm Graha spashta by both Siddhanta and Drikganita. A good astronomical site that explains aspects graphically is http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/celestial/aspects.html , you may like to check it. I would appreciate your valued opinion on this.Regards,Chandrashekhar.V.Partha sarathy wrote:> Dear Pradeep>> Though i had thought of not posting anything till mercury retro is> completed, but still i am taking a risk,>> Rahu and ketu are the invisible grahas, the chaya grahas. Too often> their role has been taken in literal sense, and we always look> for "reasons" for their aspect.>> Rahu has aspects, but ketu doesnot have any aspects.> Ketu is the headless body that always looks upwards(ganesha ,> mooladhara chakra) to get a head full of wisdom,>> Rahu is the head that wants a body(material) so as to fulfill its> desires(asura who drank amrita, to become immortal).>> Now the question is how can invisible planet like Rahu aspect.> The basic point is that we cannot even see "air" which is fourth> element after earth, liquid and fire. And what about ether, and the> Shabda Brahman himself. So where is the question of even percieving> the unpercievable.>> Rahu and ketu are too gross or too subtle for a layman to understand.> Atleast all the astrologers agree to this viewpoint.>> It has been repeated many times in this forum that Rahu represents> the Aham that needs to be overcome before the individual atma can be> merged in supersoul. It has always been stated that> the "externalities" such as astronomical approximations are only for> the purpose of calculations and not for the deeper understanding of> the "grahas" role in our lives. But again and again i am watching the> same old discussion as to why Rahu cannot aspect etc.> Remember list members, that Jyotishya is very much part of vedanga.> There cannot be any understanding , unless we can percieve> the "ethernet".> best wishes> partha>>> vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"> wrote:> > Dear Sunil> >> > Kindly read the following views from my limited knowledge.> >> > Basically all planets may aspect each other/different houses.(Thus> > we have Rashi drishti as well).Because aspect means kind of> > influence or passing on or exchange of properties.> > But those aspects which can have a significant influence is what> > that really matters.In that sense the general aspect on 7th house> is> > considered as the complete aspect.> > Now think of Rahu and Ketu.> > Before coming to aspect, the most powerful influence from a planet> > is based on placement.Because you have better control over your> > office when you are really there than viewing and controlling from> a> > distance.> > But in case of Rahu and Ketu, when they are in a house - what is> the> > influence attributed to them?Rahu and Ketu takes on the properties> > of planets associated and also that of his dispositor.Thus it means> > it is more or less behaving like others with whom he is in> > contact/lordship.Of course when they are alone they behave like> > saturn and mars respectively.But this is just behaviour and cannot> > be the planets themselves and hence cannot have astronomical> > siginificances of the said planets.> >> > When we speak about planetary influences ,there are two basic> > things.One is the philosophy behind the planets,which explains what> > happens when they are placed in a house or when they cast> > aspects.The other is the astronomical relevance which make them> cast> > an aspect.This is like a rule.Since Rahu and Ketu are not planets> > they can have a philosophy but not the astronomical relevance to> > cast significant aspects.May be those points in space(nodes) can> > receive influences and hence the explantion from sages (they taken> > on properties by virtue of contacts and lordship).Thus my personal> > opinion is they cannot cast an aspect for the above said reasons.> >> > Now for the other special aspects(4,8-5,9 & 3,10).Again there is a> > philosophy as well as astronomical reason.For philosophy you could> > read an old post from Chandrashekhar ji.The astronomical reason is> > Mars,Jupiter and Saturn are Superior planets.It means they have> > larger orbits than earth(Me Ve E Ma J S ) as compared w.r to Venus> > and Mercury. Their astronomical placement itself can expalin the> > philosophy! Because you need specific positions to take on your> > responsibilities.> >> > Also Venus the asura guru is close and hence relate to finer> aspects> > like arts and what not(master of all shastras) and also manipulative> > (Read how shukracharya had become one eyed).While the Deva guru> > Jupiter knows from a broad sense and gives advise of that> nature.See> > the difference.Saturn the servant is away from the royal> > circles.Mars the commander in chief is close and bordering the> royal> > circle.> >> > These are my personal views but with a sincere quest for> truth.Gurus> > may be able to correct and guide.> > The trick in astrology is you may think the analysis is correct> when> > you attribute certain reasons for causes.But if we are not> filtering> > especially in the case of astronomical rules then we are only> making> > the science more complex.But philosophy is a different thing you> > have to read a lot for understanding the planets and it is an> > evergrowing process.One could see this from brilliant mails of> > Ramadas raoji (what all that a planet could represent or mean by> its> > placement and aspect)> >> > Regds & Respect> > Pradeep> >> >> >> > vedic astrology, "Sunil John"> > wrote:> >> > >>>>> Archives: vedic astrology>> Group info: vedic astrology/info.html>> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology->> ....... 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Guest guest Posted April 13, 2004 Report Share Posted April 13, 2004 Dear Chandrashekhar ji Thanks for the website showing aspects and phases, which confirmed and helped my understanding regarding the topic. Here it is mentioned that inferior planets have limiting angles from the sun, while superior ones don't have. Also it says superior planets can be located at any distance east or west of the sun while the inferior ones have the limitation of, greatest elongation.Thus the general reason for special aspects are clear.May be with further, finer observations of (superior) planetary orbits, one could understand why mars casts significant aspects on 4th and 8th ,saturn 7th and 10th and jupiter 5th and 9th. Some of the points from Hari jis mail also indicates the role of astronomy and physics in perceiving the subject. I would be happy if you may help by explaining why Rahu and Ketu behaves like Shani and Mars respectively, when alone. Best regds Pradeep vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > Dear Partha, > If I may say so, aspects of planetary concept is based on sound > astronomical principles and not merely on conjecture. Sanjay has > explained this to some extent when explaining why the Superior planets > have more than one aspects. No doubt one of the BPHS edition does have > shloka on the aspects of Rahu and many astrologers of repute do use > them. The shloka also states about 7th aspect of Rahu. Now since Ketu is > always located in 7th from Rahu, why should the Sage, known for brevity > of his shlokas, mention 7th house aspect? Especially so when no special > effects than those by association by Ketu are attributed to the 7th > aspect of Rahu, is the question that troubles me. > At the same time astronomical reasons for the aspects also need to be > studied. Not all principles are based on ether net, but sound > observations of Rishis, and that is why they have enjoined upon the > students to confirm Graha spashta by both Siddhanta and Drikganita. A > good astronomical site that explains aspects graphically is > http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/celestial/aspects.html , you > may like to check it. I would appreciate your valued opinion on this. > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > V.Partha sarathy wrote: > > > Dear Pradeep > > > > Though i had thought of not posting anything till mercury retro is > > completed, but still i am taking a risk, > > > > Rahu and ketu are the invisible grahas, the chaya grahas. Too often > > their role has been taken in literal sense, and we always look > > for "reasons" for their aspect. > > > > Rahu has aspects, but ketu doesnot have any aspects. > > Ketu is the headless body that always looks upwards(ganesha , > > mooladhara chakra) to get a head full of wisdom, > > > > Rahu is the head that wants a body(material) so as to fulfill its > > desires(asura who drank amrita, to become immortal). > > > > Now the question is how can invisible planet like Rahu aspect. > > The basic point is that we cannot even see "air" which is fourth > > element after earth, liquid and fire. And what about ether, and the > > Shabda Brahman himself. So where is the question of even percieving > > the unpercievable. > > > > Rahu and ketu are too gross or too subtle for a layman to understand. > > Atleast all the astrologers agree to this viewpoint. > > > > It has been repeated many times in this forum that Rahu represents > > the Aham that needs to be overcome before the individual atma can be > > merged in supersoul. It has always been stated that > > the "externalities" such as astronomical approximations are only for > > the purpose of calculations and not for the deeper understanding of > > the "grahas" role in our lives. But again and again i am watching the > > same old discussion as to why Rahu cannot aspect etc. > > Remember list members, that Jyotishya is very much part of vedanga. > > There cannot be any understanding , unless we can percieve > > the "ethernet". > > best wishes > > partha > > > > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > > Dear Sunil > > > > > > Kindly read the following views from my limited knowledge. > > > > > > Basically all planets may aspect each other/different houses. (Thus > > > we have Rashi drishti as well).Because aspect means kind of > > > influence or passing on or exchange of properties. > > > But those aspects which can have a significant influence is what > > > that really matters.In that sense the general aspect on 7th house > > is > > > considered as the complete aspect. > > > Now think of Rahu and Ketu. > > > Before coming to aspect, the most powerful influence from a planet > > > is based on placement.Because you have better control over your > > > office when you are really there than viewing and controlling from > > a > > > distance. > > > But in case of Rahu and Ketu, when they are in a house - what is > > the > > > influence attributed to them?Rahu and Ketu takes on the properties > > > of planets associated and also that of his dispositor.Thus it means > > > it is more or less behaving like others with whom he is in > > > contact/lordship.Of course when they are alone they behave like > > > saturn and mars respectively.But this is just behaviour and cannot > > > be the planets themselves and hence cannot have astronomical > > > siginificances of the said planets. > > > > > > When we speak about planetary influences ,there are two basic > > > things.One is the philosophy behind the planets,which explains what > > > happens when they are placed in a house or when they cast > > > aspects.The other is the astronomical relevance which make them > > cast > > > an aspect.This is like a rule.Since Rahu and Ketu are not planets > > > they can have a philosophy but not the astronomical relevance to > > > cast significant aspects.May be those points in space(nodes) can > > > receive influences and hence the explantion from sages (they taken > > > on properties by virtue of contacts and lordship).Thus my personal > > > opinion is they cannot cast an aspect for the above said reasons. > > > > > > Now for the other special aspects(4,8-5,9 & 3,10).Again there is a > > > philosophy as well as astronomical reason.For philosophy you could > > > read an old post from Chandrashekhar ji.The astronomical reason is > > > Mars,Jupiter and Saturn are Superior planets.It means they have > > > larger orbits than earth(Me Ve E Ma J S ) as compared w.r to Venus > > > and Mercury. Their astronomical placement itself can expalin the > > > philosophy! Because you need specific positions to take on your > > > responsibilities. > > > > > > Also Venus the asura guru is close and hence relate to finer > > aspects > > > like arts and what not(master of all shastras) and also manipulative > > > (Read how shukracharya had become one eyed).While the Deva guru > > > Jupiter knows from a broad sense and gives advise of that > > nature.See > > > the difference.Saturn the servant is away from the royal > > > circles.Mars the commander in chief is close and bordering the > > royal > > > circle. > > > > > > These are my personal views but with a sincere quest for > > truth.Gurus > > > may be able to correct and guide. > > > The trick in astrology is you may think the analysis is correct > > when > > > you attribute certain reasons for causes.But if we are not > > filtering > > > especially in the case of astronomical rules then we are only > > making > > > the science more complex.But philosophy is a different thing you > > > have to read a lot for understanding the planets and it is an > > > evergrowing process.One could see this from brilliant mails of > > > Ramadas raoji (what all that a planet could represent or mean by > > its > > > placement and aspect) > > > > > > Regds & Respect > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sunil John" > > > <suniljohn_2004@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted April 13, 2004 Report Share Posted April 13, 2004 Dear Partha, I too agree that Ketu does not have any aspect. I agree with most of the logic given by you. My comments are only regarding the inconsistency in the shloka attributing aspects to Rahu in one of the editions that carries it. Lest you misunderstand, there are many works attributed to Varahamihira in Nepal. The only way their authenticity is not accepted is on account of the language, meter and philosophy differs from well known works of VarahaMihira, like Brihatjatakam, Brihatsamhita, Panchsiddhantika etc. This is a fairly common way of authenticating ancient texts. In so far as reference to ethernet is concerned, I was only pointing out that not only the antar gyana was at work, but it was also coupled with keen observation of the natural phenomenon. This is apparent when one studies the Samhita skanda. It is far too easy to pass on everything to divine, but it is also not wrong to co-relate natural phenomenon to the principles of Jyotish, and marvel at those who could originally co-relate the two. We have ready made texts to study Jyotish and oral traditions reduced to texts to rely on. Yet, at least in my case, not able to interpret the written or heard (shruti) word to perfection. The rishis never claimed that the Jyotish was their creation but attributed its knowledge to deities like Brahma, Surya and so on. Herein lies their greatness, since they accepted that they too learnt from others. Regards, Chandrashekhar. partha sarathy wrote: > *Dear Chandrashekhar Ji* > ** > *Thank you for the comments.* > ** > *I agree with you regarding the sound astronomical principles based on > observations by seers.* > ** > *My understanding is that ketu doesnot have any aspects. Rahu the > reason for rebirth has four aspects. The Normal aspects of 5,7,9 as > well as the 12th aspect(rebirth).* > > *As i am reading Bhagavatam , i have understood a few things that i > would like to share. * > ** > *a) As given in BPHS, the planets are first given various portfolios > and have also been explained through the various Avatars of Mahavishnu,* > * > b) Mathematics was not born first, nor were the various planets, we > have to always understand that Rishis are "Seers", were geniuses who > understood the subtle relations between what was "perceived" > externally through the naked eye, to what is present beyond the eye, > and even within a system(SOUL, oversoul and the supersoul).* > ** > * > c) A system need not be studied only by instruments such as telescope > or Microscope, the great Rishsis discovered many formulae, the concept > of "ATOM" through meditation. They did not do so by using some fancy > instruments.* > * > d) First comes the holy SHABDA "AUM", and then only the other things.* > * > e) Shankara has clearly stated, that there is no one to teach, none to > be taught, there is no one to be liberated, none liberated. What he > means here. that the purpose of teaching of a guru, is only of an > instruction of an objectified Brahman. The object as well as Subject > are one and the same.* > * > f) I would not like to delve too much into metaphysics, but at the > same time like to point out that mere mathematical calculations, and > observations do not mean anything, unless they have some "relevance" > in our understanding. the relevance can only be understood when we are > also aware of the environment and the causes for the environment.* > * > g) All the creation is of the Omniscient and the Omnipotent lord, and > Jyotishya is the Third eye that opens the door to the perceptions and > understand the divinity in everything.* > * > h) I myself wanted to be an astronomer, and was a mathematics student > for long. I was a hard core skeptic not long ago, and used to talk > only of logic.* > * > i) Logic is helpful only to divide as Mars is the karaka for the same, > but to understand life, and to help people through astrology what we > need are the connections and the perceptions.* > * > j) Not even a single atom exists in this world without a "cause". The > cause is always the most important, as we should always look at the > "moola" or root of a event or a subject, rather than branches. > Remedial measures in my experience try to cut the branches, rather > than uproot the causes.* > > *I hope i am very clear on this subject. And by the way thank you for > the site that has shown the interesting aspects of planets.* > *best wishes > partha > * > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel/* wrote: > > Dear Partha, > If I may say so, aspects of planetary concept is based on sound > astronomical principles and not merely on conjecture. Sanjay has > explained this to some extent when explaining why the Superior > planets > have more than one aspects. No doubt one of the BPHS edition does > have > shloka on the aspects of Rahu and many astrologers of repute do use > them. The shloka also states about 7th aspect of Rahu. Now since > Ketu is > always located in 7th from Rahu, why should the Sage, known for > brevity > of his shlokas, mention 7th house aspect? Especially so when no > special > effects than those by association by Ketu are attributed to the 7th > aspect of Rahu, is the question that troubles me. > At the same time astronomical reasons for the aspects also need to be > studied. Not all principles are based on ether net, but sound > observations of Rishis, and that is why they have enjoined upon the > students to confirm Graha spashta by both Siddhanta and Drikganita. A > good astronomical site that explains aspects graphically is > http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/celestial/aspects.html , you > may like to check it. I would appreciate your valued opinion on this. > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > V.Partha sarathy wrote: > > > Dear Pradeep > > > > Though i had thought of not posting anything till mercury retro is > > completed, but still i am taking a risk, > > > > Rahu and ketu are the invisible grahas, the chaya grahas. Too often > > their role has been taken in literal sense, and we always look > > for "reasons" for their aspect. > > > > Rahu has aspects, but ketu doesnot have any aspects. > > Ketu is the headless body that always looks upwards(ganesha , > > mooladhara chakra) to get a head full of wisdom, > > > > Rahu is the head that wants a body(material) so as to fulfill its > > desires(asura who drank amrita, to become immortal). > > > > Now the question is how can invisible planet like Rahu aspect. > > The basic point is that we cannot even see "air" which is fourth > > element after earth, liquid and fire. And what about ether, and the > > Shabda Brahman himself. So where is the question of even percieving > > the unpercievable. > > > > Rahu and ketu are too gross or too subtle for a layman to > understand. > > Atleast all the astrologers agree to this viewpoint. > > > > It has been repeated many times in this forum that Rahu represents > > the Aham that needs to be overcome before the individual atma can be > > merged in supersoul. It has always been stated that > > the "externalities" such as astronomical approximations are only for > > the purpose of calculations and not for the deeper understanding of > > the "grahas" role in our lives. But again and again i am > watching the > > same old discussion as to why Rahu cannot aspect etc. > > Remember list members, that Jyotishya is very much part of vedanga. > > There cannot be any understanding , unless we can percieve > > the "ethernet". > > best wishes > > partha > > > > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > > wrote: > > > Dear Sunil > > > > > > Kindly read the following views from my limited knowledge. > > > > > > Basically all planets may aspect each other/different houses.(Thus > > > we have Rashi drishti as well).Because aspect means kind of > > > influence or passing on or exchange of properties. > > > But those aspects which can have a significant influence is what > > > that really matters.In that sense the general aspect on 7th house > > is > > > considered as the complete aspect. > > > Now think of Rahu and Ketu. > > > Before coming to aspect, the most powerful influence from a planet > > > is based on placement.Because you have better control over your > > > office when you are really there than viewing and controlling from > > a > > > distance. > > > But in case of Rahu and Ketu, when they are in a house - what is > > the > > > influence attributed to them?Rahu and Ketu takes on the properties > > > of planets associated and also that of his dispositor.Thus it > means > > > it is more or less behaving like others with whom he is in > > > contact/lordship.Of course when they are alone they behave like > > > saturn and mars respectively.But this is just behaviour and cannot > > > be the planets themselves and hence cannot have astronomical > > > siginificances of the said planets. > > > > > > When we speak about planetary influences ,there are two basic > > > things.One is the philosophy behind the planets,which explains > what > > > happens when they are placed in a house or when they cast > > > aspects.The other is the astronomical relevance which make them > > cast > > > an aspect.This is like a rule.Since Rahu and Ketu are not planets > > > they can have a philosophy but not the astronomical relevance to > > > cast significant aspects.May be those points in space(nodes) can > > > receive influences and hence the explantion from sages (they taken > > > on properties by virtue of contacts and lordship).Thus my personal > > > opinion is they cannot cast an aspect for the above said reasons. > > > > > > Now for the other special aspects(4,8-5,9 & 3,10).Again there is a > > > philosophy as well as astronomical reason.For philosophy you could > > > read an old post from Chandrashekhar ji.The astronomical reason is > > > Mars,Jupiter and Saturn are Superior planets.It means they have > > > larger orbits than earth(Me Ve E Ma J S ) as compared w.r to Venus > > > and Mercury. Their astronomical placement itself can expalin the > > > philosophy! Because you need specific positions to take on your > > > responsibilities. > > > > > > Also Venus the asura guru is close and hence relate to finer > > aspects > > > like arts and what not(master of all shastras) and also > manipulative > > > (Read how shukracharya had become one eyed).While the Deva guru > > > Jupiter knows from a broad sense and gives advise of that > > nature.See > > > the difference.Saturn the servant is away from the royal > > > circles.Mars the commander in chief is close and bordering the > > royal > > > circle. > > > > > > These are my personal views but with a sincere quest for > > truth.Gurus > > > may be able to correct and guide. > > > The trick in astrology is you may think the analysis is correct > > when > > > you attribute certain reasons for causes.But if we are not > > filtering > > > especially in the case of astronomical rules then we are only > > making > > > the science more complex.But philosophy is a different thing you > > > have to read a lot for understanding the planets and it is an > > > evergrowing process.One could see this from brilliant mails of > > > Ramadas raoji (what all that a planet could represent or mean by > > its > > > placement and aspect) > > > > > > Regds & Respect > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sunil John" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted April 13, 2004 Report Share Posted April 13, 2004 Dear Hari, It is necessary to understand that the Grahas and phenomenons in the skies are the nimittas pointing to what is going to happen in future. the statement would be clear if one studies the Samhita part of Jyotish. Varahamihira states that Rahu and Ketu are nodal points, very clearly. So it is not as if the Sages were unaware of what they represent. To understand the graphics look at the relative sizes of inferior and superior planets in the link with respect to earth's size. If you look at both the images given on the link page, you will note that the inferior planets are only showing their bright face to earth once(Superior conjunction). The superior are showing their bright face to earth 4 times. Eliminating the Full conjunction, look at Quadrature and opposition figures. The relative distance from earth and size of the planets, results in the inferior planets aspecting earth from one position only. Things would become clear. Their elliptical movements and inclinations too play a role here. Chandrashekhar. Hari M wrote: > ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| > > Dear Shri Chandrasekhar, > > I agree with what you have said regaring the theory of aspects. As you > correctly say, Sanjay has explained it but to some extent. For > instance, if superior planets have special aspects, then why are the > same being attributed to Rahu who is a node of the moon and therefore > can be treated as an inferior type planet? Possibly I may be wrong in > my understanding here. > > The graphics at the weblink provided by you probably explain why all > planets have 7th house aspect but do not explain the special aspects. > I am of the opinion that our sages have observed the characteristics > of the sunlight and mapped each of the 7 characteristics to the light > reflected by each one of the 7 planets (for example, the light from > the Moon is said to be sushumna). Then with respect to the superior > planets, our sages might have observed the resultant directions in > which the sunlight is being reflected and accordingly postulated these > special aspects. So it requires some study in the physics of the > radiation effects as well as astronomy. Remember that some time back, > we were talking about a link between the 11 year solar sunspot cycle > and the 11 rudras? There are many more mysteries to be uncovered. Do > you think upagrahas are a mere mathematical invention of the sages? > > regards > Hari > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel/* wrote: > > Dear Partha, > If I may say so, aspects of planetary concept is based on sound > astronomical principles and not merely on conjecture. Sanjay has > explained this to some extent when explaining why the Superior > planets > have more than one aspects. No doubt one of the BPHS edition does > have > shloka on the aspects of Rahu and many astrologers of repute do use > them. The shloka also states about 7th aspect of Rahu. Now since > Ketu is > always located in 7th from Rahu, why should the Sage, known for > brevity > of his shlokas, mention 7th house aspect? Especially so when no > special > effects than those by association by Ketu are attributed to the 7th > aspect of Rahu, is the question that troubles me. > At the same time astronomical reasons for the aspects also need to be > studied. Not all principles are based on ether net, but sound > observations of Rishis, and that is why they have enjoined upon the > students to confirm Graha spashta by both Siddhanta and Drikganita. A > good astronomical site that explains aspects graphically is > http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/celestial/aspects.html , you > may like to check it. I would appreciate your valued opinion on this. > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > V.Partha sarathy wrote: > > > Dear Pradeep > > > > Though i had thought of not posting anything till mercury retro is > > completed, but still i am taking a risk, > > > > Rahu and ketu are the invisible grahas, the chaya grahas. Too often > > their role has been taken in literal sense, and we always look > > for "reasons" for their aspect. > > > > Rahu has aspects, but ketu doesnot have any aspects. > > Ketu is the headless body that always looks upwards(ganesha , > > mooladhara chakra) to get a head full of wisdom, > > > > Rahu is the head that wants a body(material) so as to fulfill its > > desires(asura who drank amrita, to become immortal). > > > > Now the question is how can invisible planet like Rahu aspect. > > The basic point is that we cannot even see "air" which is fourth > > element after earth, liquid and fire. And what about ether, and the > > Shabda Brahman himself. So where is the question of even percieving > > the unpercievable. > > > > Rahu and ketu are too gross or too subtle for a layman to > understand. > > Atleast all the astrologers agree to this viewpoint. > > > > It has been repeated many times in this forum that Rahu represents > > the Aham that needs to be overcome before the individual atma can be > > merged in supersoul. It has always been stated that > > the "externalities" such as astronomical approximations are only for > > the purpose of calculations and not for the deeper understanding of > > the "grahas" role in our lives. But again and again i am > watching the > > same old discussion as to why Rahu cannot aspect etc. > > Remember list members, that Jyotishya is very much part of vedanga. > > There cannot be any understanding , unless we can percieve > > the "ethernet". > > best wishes > > partha > > > > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > > Dear Sunil > > > > > > Kindly read the following views from my limited knowledge. > > > > > > Basically all planets may aspect each other/different houses.(Thus > > > we have Rashi drishti as well).Because aspect means kind of > > > influence or passing on or exchange of properties. > > > But those aspects which can have a significant influence is what > > > that really matters.In that sense the general aspect on 7th house > > is > > > considered as the complete aspect. > > > Now think of Rahu and Ketu. > > > Before coming to aspect, the most powerful influence from a planet > > > is based on placement.Because you have better control over your > > > office when you are really there than viewing and controlling from > > a > > > distance. > > > But in case of Rahu and Ketu, when they are in a house - what is > > the > > > influence attributed to them?Rahu and Ketu takes on the properties > > > of planets associated and also that of his dispositor.Thus it > means > > > it is more or less behaving like others with whom he is in > > > contact/lordship.Of course when they are alone they behave like > > > saturn and mars respectively.But this is just behaviour and cannot > > > be the planets themselves and hence cannot have astronomical > > > siginificances of the said planets. > > > > > > When we speak about planetary influences ,there are two basic > > > things.One is the philosophy behind the planets,which explains > what > > > happens when they are placed in a house or when they cast > > > aspects.The other is the astronomical relevance which make them > > cast > > > an aspect.This is like a rule.Since Rahu and Ketu are not planets > > > they can have a philosophy but not the astronomical relevance to > > > cast significant aspects.May be those points in space(nodes) can > > > receive influences and hence the explantion from sages (they taken > > > on properties by virtue of contacts and lordship).Thus my personal > > > opinion is they cannot cast an aspect for the above said reasons. > > > > > > Now for the other special aspects(4,8-5,9 & 3,10).Again there is a > > > philosophy as well as astronomical reason.For philosophy you could > > > read an old post from Chandrashekhar ji.The astronomical reason is > > > Mars,Jupiter and Saturn are Superior planets.It means they have > > > larger orbits than earth(Me Ve E Ma J S ) as compared w.r to Venus > > > and Mercury. Their astronomical placement itself can expalin the > > > philosophy! Because you need specific positions to take on your > > > responsibilities. > > > > > > Also Venus the asura guru is close and hence relate to finer > > aspects > > > like arts and what not(master of all shastras) and also > manipulative > > > (Read how shukracharya had become one eyed).While the Deva guru > > > Jupiter knows from a broad sense and gives advise of that > > nature.See > > > the difference.Saturn the servant is away from the royal > > > circles.Mars the commander in chief is close and bordering the > > royal > > > circle. > > > > > > These are my personal views but with a sincere quest for > > truth.Gurus > > > may be able to correct and guide. > > > The trick in astrology is you may think the analysis is correct > > when > > > you attribute certain reasons for causes.But if we are not > > filtering > > > especially in the case of astronomical rules then we are only > > making > > > the science more complex.But philosophy is a different thing you > > > have to read a lot for understanding the planets and it is an > > > evergrowing process.One could see this from brilliant mails of > > > Ramadas raoji (what all that a planet could represent or mean by > > its > > > placement and aspect) > > > > > > Regds & Respect > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sunil John" > > > <suniljohn_2004@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted April 13, 2004 Report Share Posted April 13, 2004 Dear Shri Chandrasekhar, Thanks for explaining very clearly your viewpoint. Once again I am in complete agreement when you opined in another mail on the same topic to Partha that "we should try to understand how the principles in Jyotish are backed up by gola and ganita and then marvel at the infinite wisdom of our seers". I agree with the figures shown at the weblink which explains the difference between the superior and inferior planets but my point is that they explain why the outer planets have special aspects; they do not explain how the special aspects can be assigned thus. As you have said, Sanjay has explained it to some extent and it is my contention that more needs to be investigated regarding the ways in which the reflected sunlight from the superior planets are influencing the geocentric zodiac. I trust the point I am trying to make is clear now. Of course the elliptic movement plays a significant role in this. regards Hari Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Hari,It is necessary to understand that the Grahas and phenomenons in the skies are the nimittas pointing to what is going to happen in future. the statement would be clear if one studies the Samhita part of Jyotish. Varahamihira states that Rahu and Ketu are nodal points, very clearly. So it is not as if the Sages were unaware of what they represent. To understand the graphics look at the relative sizes of inferior and superior planets in the link with respect to earth's size. If you look at both the images given on the link page, you will note that the inferior planets are only showing their bright face to earth once(Superior conjunction). The superior are showing their bright face to earth 4 times. Eliminating the Full conjunction, look at Quadrature and opposition figures. The relative distance from earth and size of the planets, results in the inferior planets aspecting earth from one position only. Things would become clear. Their elliptical movements and inclinations too play a role here.Chandrashekhar.Hari M wrote:> ||Om Brihaspataye Namah||> > Dear Shri Chandrasekhar,> > I agree with what you have said regaring the theory of aspects. As you > correctly say, Sanjay has explained it but to some extent. For > instance, if superior planets have special aspects, then why are the > same being attributed to Rahu who is a node of the moon and therefore > can be treated as an inferior type planet? Possibly I may be wrong in > my understanding here.> > The graphics at the weblink provided by you probably explain why all > planets have 7th house aspect but do not explain the special aspects. > I am of the opinion that our sages have observed the characteristics > of the sunlight and mapped each of the 7 characteristics to the light > reflected by each one of the 7 planets (for example, the light from > the Moon is said to be sushumna). Then with respect to the superior > planets, our sages might have observed the resultant directions in > which the sunlight is being reflected and accordingly postulated these > special aspects. So it requires some study in the physics of the > radiation effects as well as astronomy. Remember that some time back, > we were talking about a link between the 11 year solar sunspot cycle > and the 11 rudras? There are many more mysteries to be uncovered. Do > you think upagrahas are a mere mathematical invention of the sages?> > regards> Hari>> */Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk>/* wrote:>> Dear Partha,> If I may say so, aspects of planetary concept is based on sound> astronomical principles and not merely on conjecture. Sanjay has> explained this to some extent when explaining why the Superior> planets> have more than one aspects. No doubt one of the BPHS edition does> have> shloka on the aspects of Rahu and many astrologers of repute do use> them. The shloka also states about 7th aspect of Rahu. Now since> Ketu is> always located in 7th from Rahu, why should the Sage, known for> brevity> of his shlokas, mention 7th house aspect? Especially so when no> special> effects than those by association by Ketu are attributed to the 7th> aspect of Rahu, is the question that troubles me.> At the same time astronomical reasons for the aspects also need to be> studied. Not all principles are based on ether net, but sound> observations of Rishis, and that is why they have enjoined upon the> students to confirm Graha spashta by both Siddhanta and Drikganita. A> good astronomical site that explains aspects graphically is> http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/celestial/aspects.html , you> may like to check it. I would appreciate your valued opinion on this.> Regards,> Chandrashekhar.>> V.Partha sarathy wrote:>> > Dear Pradeep> >> > Though i had thought of not posting anything till mercury retro is> > completed, but still i am taking a risk,> >> > Rahu and ketu are the invisible grahas, the chaya grahas. Too often> > their role has been taken in literal sense, and we always look> > for "reasons" for their aspect.> >> > Rahu has aspects, but ketu doesnot have any aspects.> > Ketu is the headless body that always looks upwards(ganesha ,> > mooladhara chakra) to get a head full of wisdom,> >> > Rahu is the head that wants a body(material) so as to fulfill its> > desires(asura who drank amrita, to become immortal).> >> > Now the question is how can invisible planet like Rahu aspect.> > The basic point is that we cannot even see "air" which is fourth> > element after earth, liquid and fire. And what about ether, and the> > Shabda Brahman himself. So where is the question of even percieving> > the unpercievable.> >> > Rahu and ketu are too gross or too subtle for a layman to> understand.> > Atleast all the astrologers agree to this viewpoint.> >> > It has been repeated many times in this forum that Rahu represents> > the Aham that needs to be overcome before the individual atma can be> > merged in supersoul. It has always been stated that> > the "externalities" such as astronomical approximations are only for> > the purpose of calculations and not for the deeper understanding of> > the "grahas" role in our lives. But again and again i am> watching the> > same old discussion as to why Rahu cannot aspect etc.> > Remember list members, that Jyotishya is very much part of vedanga.> > There cannot be any understanding , unless we can percieve> > the "ethernet".> > best wishes> > partha> >> >> > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"> > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:> > > Dear Sunil> > >> > > Kindly read the following views from my limited knowledge.> > >> > > Basically all planets may aspect each other/different houses.(Thus> > > we have Rashi drishti as well).Because aspect means kind of> > > influence or passing on or exchange of properties.> > > But those aspects which can have a significant influence is what> > > that really matters.In that sense the general aspect on 7th house> > is> > > considered as the complete aspect.> > > Now think of Rahu and Ketu.> > > Before coming to aspect, the most powerful influence from a planet> > > is based on placement.Because you have better control over your> > > office when you are really there than viewing and controlling from> > a> > > distance.> > > But in case of Rahu and Ketu, when they are in a house - what is> > the> > > influence attributed to them?Rahu and Ketu takes on the properties> > > of planets associated and also that of his dispositor.Thus it> means> > > it is more or less behaving like others with whom he is in> > > contact/lordship.Of course when they are alone they behave like> > > saturn and mars respectively.But this is just behaviour and cannot> > > be the planets themselves and hence cannot have astronomical> > > siginificances of the said planets.> > >> > > When we speak about planetary influences ,there are two basic> > > things.One is the philosophy behind the planets,which explains> what> > > happens when they are placed in a house or when they cast> > > aspects.The other is the astronomical relevance which make them> > cast> > > an aspect.This is like a rule.Since Rahu and Ketu are not planets> > > they can have a philosophy but not the astronomical relevance to> > > cast significant aspects.May be those points in space(nodes) can> > > receive influences and hence the explantion from sages (they taken> > > on properties by virtue of contacts and lordship).Thus my personal> > > opinion is they cannot cast an aspect for the above said reasons.> > >> > > Now for the other special aspects(4,8-5,9 & 3,10).Again there is a> > > philosophy as well as astronomical reason.For philosophy you could> > > read an old post from Chandrashekhar ji.The astronomical reason is> > > Mars,Jupiter and Saturn are Superior planets.It means they have> > > larger orbits than earth(Me Ve E Ma J S ) as compared w.r to Venus> > > and Mercury. Their astronomical placement itself can expalin the> > > philosophy! Because you need specific positions to take on your> > > responsibilities.> > >> > > Also Venus the asura guru is close and hence relate to finer> > aspects> > > like arts and what not(master of all shastras) and also> manipulative> > > (Read how shukracharya had become one eyed).While the Deva guru> > > Jupiter knows from a broad sense and gives advise of that> > nature.See> > > the difference.Saturn the servant is away from the royal> > > circles.Mars the commander in chief is close and bordering the> > royal> > > circle.> > >> > > These are my personal views but with a sincere quest for> > truth.Gurus> > > may be able to correct and guide.> > > The trick in astrology is you may think the analysis is correct> > when> > > you attribute certain reasons for causes.But if we are not> > filtering> > > especially in the case of astronomical rules then we are only> > making> > > the science more complex.But philosophy is a different thing you> > > have to read a lot for understanding the planets and it is an> > > evergrowing process.One could see this from brilliant mails of> > > Ramadas raoji (what all that a planet could represent or mean by> > its> > > placement and aspect)> > >> > > Regds & Respect> > > Pradeep> > >> > >> > >> > > --- In vedic astrology, "Sunil John"> > > <suniljohn_2004@h...> wrote:> > >> > > >> >> >> >> > Archives: vedic astrology> >> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> >> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to> vedic astrology-> >> > ....... 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Guest guest Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 Dear Hari, The specific aspects are, perhaps, dependent upon the quadrature points with respect of direction where an imaginary line drawn from the outer most permissible periphery of the respective planet to a similar point on earth's periphery. The point where it meets earth's surface might indicate the Disha and therefore the house where the aspect takes place. I am trying to decipher the finer nuances of Surya siddhanta and Narada Samhita to get an insight into various other parameters given. Chandrashekhar. Hari M wrote: > ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| > > Dear Shri Chandrasekhar, > > Thanks for explaining very clearly your viewpoint. Once again I am in > complete agreement when you opined in another mail on the same topic > to Partha that "we should try to understand how the principles in > Jyotish are backed up by gola and ganita and then marvel at the > infinite wisdom of our seers". > I agree with the figures shown at the weblink which explains the > difference between the superior and inferior planets but my point is > that they explain why the outer planets have special aspects; they do > not explain how the special aspects can be assigned thus. As you have > said, Sanjay has explained it to some extent and it is my contention > that more needs to be investigated regarding the ways in which the > reflected sunlight from the superior planets are influencing the > geocentric zodiac. I trust the point I am trying to make is clear now. > Of course the elliptic movement plays a significant role in this. > > regards > Hari > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel/* wrote: > > Dear Hari, > It is necessary to understand that the Grahas and phenomenons in the > skies are the nimittas pointing to what is going to happen in future. > the statement would be clear if one studies the Samhita part of > Jyotish. > Varahamihira states that Rahu and Ketu are nodal points, very > clearly. > So it is not as if the Sages were unaware of what they represent. To > understand the graphics look at the relative sizes of inferior and > superior planets in the link with respect to earth's size. If you > look > at both the images given on the link page, you will note that the > inferior planets are only showing their bright face to earth > once(Superior conjunction). The superior are showing their bright > face > to earth 4 times. Eliminating the Full conjunction, look at > Quadrature > and opposition figures. The relative distance from earth and size > of the > planets, results in the inferior planets aspecting earth from one > position only. Things would become clear. Their elliptical > movements and > inclinations too play a role here. > Chandrashekhar. > > Hari M wrote: > > > ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| > > > > Dear Shri Chandrasekhar, > > > > I agree with what you have said regaring the theory of aspects. > As you > > correctly say, Sanjay has explained it but to some extent. For > > instance, if superior planets have special aspects, then why are > the > > same being attributed to Rahu who is a node of the moon and > therefore > > can be treated as an inferior type planet? Possibly I may be > wrong in > > my understanding here. > > > > The graphics at the weblink provided by you probably explain why > all > > planets have 7th house aspect but do not explain the special > aspects. > > I am of the opinion that our sages have observed the > characteristics > > of the sunlight and mapped each of the 7 characteristics to the > light > > reflected by each one of the 7 planets (for example, the light from > > the Moon is said to be sushumna). Then with respect to the superior > > planets, our sages might have observed the resultant directions in > > which the sunlight is being reflected and accordingly postulated > these > > special aspects. So it requires some study in the physics of the > > radiation effects as well as astronomy. Remember that some time > back, > > we were talking about a link between the 11 year solar sunspot > cycle > > and the 11 rudras? There are many more mysteries to be > uncovered. Do > > you think upagrahas are a mere mathematical invention of the sages? > > > > regards > > Hari > > > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel/* wrote: > > > > Dear Partha, > > If I may say so, aspects of planetary concept is based on sound > > astronomical principles and not merely on conjecture. Sanjay has > > explained this to some extent when explaining why the Superior > > planets > > have more than one aspects. No doubt one of the BPHS edition > does > > have > > shloka on the aspects of Rahu and many astrologers of repute > do use > > them. The shloka also states about 7th aspect of Rahu. Now since > > Ketu is > > always located in 7th from Rahu, why should the Sage, known for > > brevity > > of his shlokas, mention 7th house aspect? Especially so when no > > special > > effects than those by association by Ketu are attributed to > the 7th > > aspect of Rahu, is the question that troubles me. > > At the same time astronomical reasons for the aspects also > need to be > > studied. Not all principles are based on ether net, but sound > > observations of Rishis, and that is why they have enjoined > upon the > > students to confirm Graha spashta by both Siddhanta and > Drikganita. A > > good astronomical site that explains aspects graphically is > > > http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/celestial/aspects.html , you > > may like to check it. I would appreciate your valued opinion > on this. > > Regards, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > V.Partha sarathy wrote: > > > > > Dear Pradeep > > > > > > Though i had thought of not posting anything till mercury > retro is > > > completed, but still i am taking a risk, > > > > > > Rahu and ketu are the invisible grahas, the chaya grahas. > Too often > > > their role has been taken in literal sense, and we always look > > > for "reasons" for their aspect. > > > > > > Rahu has aspects, but ketu doesnot have any aspects. > > > Ketu is the headless body that always looks upwards(ganesha , > > > mooladhara chakra) to get a head full of wisdom, > > > > > > Rahu is the head that wants a body(material) so as to > fulfill its > > > desires(asura who drank amrita, to become immortal). > > > > > > Now the question is how can invisible planet like Rahu aspect. > > > The basic point is that we cannot even see "air" which is > fourth > > > element after earth, liquid and fire. And what about > ether, and the > > > Shabda Brahman himself. So where is the question of even > percieving > > > the unpercievable. > > > > > > Rahu and ketu are too gross or too subtle for a layman to > > understand. > > > Atleast all the astrologers agree to this viewpoint. > > > > > > It has been repeated many times in this forum that Rahu > represents > > > the Aham that needs to be overcome before the individual > atma can be > > > merged in supersoul. It has always been stated that > > > the "externalities" such as astronomical approximations > are only for > > > the purpose of calculations and not for the deeper > understanding of > > > the "grahas" role in our lives. But again and again i am > > watching the > > > same old discussion as to why Rahu cannot aspect etc. > > > Remember list members, that Jyotishya is very much part of > vedanga. > > > There cannot be any understanding , unless we can percieve > > > the "ethernet". > > > best wishes > > > partha > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > > > Dear Sunil > > > > > > > > Kindly read the following views from my limited knowledge. > > > > > > > > Basically all planets may aspect each other/different > houses.(Thus > > > > we have Rashi drishti as well).Because aspect means kind of > > > > influence or passing on or exchange of properties. > > > > But those aspects which can have a significant influence > is what > > > > that really matters.In that sense the general aspect on > 7th house > > > is > > > > considered as the complete aspect. > > > > Now think of Rahu and Ketu. > > > > Before coming to aspect, the most powerful influence > from a planet > > > > is based on placement.Because you have better control > over your > > > > office when you are really there than viewing and > controlling from > > > a > > > > distance. > > > > But in case of Rahu and Ketu, when they are in a house - > what is > > > the > > > > influence attributed to them?Rahu and Ketu takes on the > properties > > > > of planets associated and also that of his > dispositor.Thus it > > means > > > > it is more or less behaving like others with whom he is in > > > > contact/lordship.Of course when they are alone they > behave like > > > > saturn and mars respectively.But this is just behaviour > and cannot > > > > be the planets themselves and hence cannot have astronomical > > > > siginificances of the said planets. > > > > > > > > When we speak about planetary influences ,there are two > basic > > > > things.One is the philosophy behind the planets,which > explains > > what > > > > happens when they are placed in a house or when they cast > > > > aspects.The other is the astronomical relevance which > make them > > > cast > > > > an aspect.This is like a rule.Since Rahu and Ketu are > not planets > > > > they can have a philosophy but not the astronomical > relevance to > > > > cast significant aspects.May be those points in > space(nodes) can > > > > receive influences and hence the explantion from sages > (they taken > > > > on properties by virtue of contacts and lordship).Thus > my personal > > > > opinion is they cannot cast an aspect for the above said > reasons. > > > > > > > > Now for the other special aspects(4,8-5,9 & 3,10).Again > there is a > > > > philosophy as well as astronomical reason.For philosophy > you could > > > > read an old post from Chandrashekhar ji.The astronomical > reason is > > > > Mars,Jupiter and Saturn are Superior planets.It means > they have > > > > larger orbits than earth(Me Ve E Ma J S ) as compared > w.r to Venus > > > > and Mercury. Their astronomical placement itself can > expalin the > > > > philosophy! Because you need specific positions to take > on your > > > > responsibilities. > > > > > > > > Also Venus the asura guru is close and hence relate to finer > > > aspects > > > > like arts and what not(master of all shastras) and also > > manipulative > > > > (Read how shukracharya had become one eyed).While the > Deva guru > > > > Jupiter knows from a broad sense and gives advise of that > > > nature.See > > > > the difference.Saturn the servant is away from the royal > > > > circles.Mars the commander in chief is close and > bordering the > > > royal > > > > circle. > > > > > > > > These are my personal views but with a sincere quest for > > > truth.Gurus > > > > may be able to correct and guide. > > > > The trick in astrology is you may think the analysis is > correct > > > when > > > > you attribute certain reasons for causes.But if we are not > > > filtering > > > > especially in the case of astronomical rules then we are > only > > > making > > > > the science more complex.But philosophy is a different > thing you > > > > have to read a lot for understanding the planets and it > is an > > > > evergrowing process.One could see this from brilliant > mails of > > > > Ramadas raoji (what all that a planet could represent or > mean by > > > its > > > > placement and aspect) > > > > > > > > Regds & Respect > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sunil John" > > > > <suniljohn_2004@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: > vedic astrology/info.html > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > vedic astrology- > > > > > > ....... 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