Trikala gyan yoga ,information required

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Om Sri Gurubhyo Namah

Pranaam Sanjay,

 

I am glad about the giant strides being taken by SJC (Re: Announcement).

 

The combination for Trikala jnana was not mine. I was only commenting on the

combination given by Sri Ramadas Rao.

 

Having said that, I am not convinced by your suggestion of looking at the

shashtyamsa of only the 9th lord. Parasara clearly says that every house with

which a planet in a benefic/malefic shashtyamsa is associated (presumably by

ownership as well as occupancy) prospers/suffers. I see the shashtyamsa of a

planet as representative of the overall sanchita karma represented by that

planet. While the shashtyamsa of the 9th lord is important, it is not a

be-all-end-all.

 

In the case of Sri B. Suryanarain Rao, not only is the placement of 9th lord

Saturn in Devaamsa important, but the 5th house is wonderfully blessed by two

planets in highly benefic shashtyamsas. Mars in Devaamsa occupies it, while its

lord Mercury is in Vishnvamsa. So he received the fruits of some excellent godly

karma of past lives in the matter of scholarship. No wonder he was a great

scholar.

 

I am not sure of the exact basis of the combination given by Sri Ramadas Rao,

but I do find basis in BPHS for looking at the shashtyamsas of planets owning

and occupying various houses, not just the 9th lord. My knowledge on how to

judge various amsas w.r.t. various house owners and occupants may be imperfect,

but my basic understanding that they all have a role to play has clear support

from Parasara.

 

Regarding Dr. Raman's chart, what is wrong with Yamaamsa? I fail to understand

your point. What is not really working? Yama is a great knower of Brahma jnaana

(it is Yama who taught Brahma jnaana to Nachiketa!) and understands the nature

of Time. He not only understands the nature of Time, past, present and future,

but he has the responsibillity of maintaining dharma. Looking at Yama as death

is simplistic. Death is represented by Mrityu, son of Nirriti, and sibling of

Bhaya (fear). Yama is the maintainer of dharma and the keeper of Time. He

stands for cold, disciplined and impassionate adherence of dharma. Kindly give

some consideration to my points.

 

BTW, I am not in the business of judging astrologers and I am genuinely unsure

if your statement on Dr. Raman being a better astrologer than his grandfather

is correct. Nor is it an interesting or desirable discussion. Both were legends

in their own right. A few decades later, some astrologers will say that Pt.

Sanjay Rath was a better astrologer than Pt. Jagannath Rath. But I am sure you

do not feel the same way and consider Pt. Jagannath Rath a benchmark for all of

us, including you yourself.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,Narasimha

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Sanjay Rath

'Narasimha P.V.R. Rao' ; vedic astrology

Saturday, May 01, 2004 10:19 PM

RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Trikala gyan yoga ,information required

::om namo bhagavate vâsudevâya::

Dear Narasimha,

That is not a valid criteria i.e. we cannot use the shastyamsa devata of Jupiter

to indicate whether the native is a Trikaalagyna. Dr.B.V.Raman himself had

Jupiter in Yama shastyamsa, so can we say that he was not a trikaala gyani? In

fact he was a better astrologer than his own grandfather and so many others and

his predictions were very good. Jupiter will be in one shastyamsa for

considerable time eriod and this criteria you choose is not really working.

instead if we use the teachings of Jataka Parijatha and see the shastyamsa of

the 9th lord we will get an idea about the major direction and ability of the

person. On the other hand if we draw the shastyamsa chart, we find Dr Ramans

Jupiter placed in Sagittarius and this can be said to be an important

indicator.

In the chart of B Suryanarain Rao, Jupiter is in sudha shastyamsa but this does

not matter. It is the position of Saturn in Deva amsa which shows the ability

of Sri Suryanarain Rao (Deva means to enlighten). In D-60 Jupiter is placed in

Kumbha and is quite well placed. In your own chart, Jupiter maybe in Komala

shastyamsa but this does not matter as much as the position of ninth lord Venus

in Sarpa shastyamsa indicating the tenacity to take a lot of poison of this

world just like the sarpa shared the poison of Nilakantha Shiva. In your chart

Jupiter is in Taurus but is conjoined Ketu and that speaks volumes about your

Jyotish ability.

With best regards,

Sanjay Rath

SJC Puri, 212 Gopal Ballav Road, Puri 752001, India

Tel: +91.6752.226269 http://srath.com

 

Narasimha P.V.R. Rao [pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net] Sunday, May 02, 2004

5:54 AMvedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] Re:

Trikala gyan yoga ,information required

Namaste friends,

 

It is useful to understand the meanings of yogas and the logic behind their

formulas. Really special yogas like Trikala Jnaana Yoga (combination for the

knowledge of past, present and future) are extremely rare. But some people have

similar combinations that may give results to a lesser degree.

 

Basically, Jupiter - the ruler of aakaasa tattva and significator of dhee

(intellect) - is the planet who shows the ability to see past, present and

future. He is the planet who makes you see the unseen. He is the planet of

wisdom, discretion and judgment.

 

Jupiter's navamsa and shashtyamsa are particularly important. Navamsa shows the

dharma represented by the planet. Shashtyamsa shows the overall "karma"

represented by the planet. Shashtyamsa of a planet shows those actions of the

past lives for which the fruits are given by thwe planet in this life.

 

Even if the gopuramsa condition holds, I will be surprised if one will really be

a Trikalajna if one's Jupiter was in a negative shashtyamsa like Rakshasa

(demon) or Bhrashta (fallen). Jupiter being in an auspicious shashtyamsa is the

key.

 

I don't know anybody who has the exact yoga (nor do I know any Trikalajnas in

real life), but I know some people who come close. For exxample, consider Sri

B. Suryanarain Rao, the reverred grandfather of Dr. B.V. Raman. He was a great

scholar and was the force behind Dr. Raman and moulded him in his formative

years. He was a great astrologer by the available accounts. His chart as given

by Dr. Raman (not rectified by me, but we are not talking about shashtyamsa

lagna here anyway and we don't need the exact birthtime) is:

 

12th February 1856, 12:21 pm (LMT), 84 E 00' 00", 18 N 00' 00"

He had Jupiter in Pisces in navamsa. Jupiter was in Sudhaamsa. Please note that

Sudhaa is a highly benefic shahstyamsa like Mridu. Thus, Jupiter represents

highly saattwik, excellent and beneficial karma from past lives. He gives the

results of such karma. Thus, the native has excellent vaagbala.

 

I myself have Jupiter in Sg in navamsa and in Komalaamsa in shashtyamsa. Komala

and Mridu basically mean the same thing - soft, tender and sweet. Of course, I

am definitely not a Trikaalajna, but I guess I have some latent potential.

However, Sg navamsa (IMHO) is not as good as Pi navamsa for this yoga. Watery

signs are better than fiery signs for the purpose of intuition. So Jupiter in

Pi navamsa in Sri Suryanarain Rao's chart is much better than my Jupiter in Sg

navamsa. In Sri Suryanarain Rao's case, Mars is the only planet aspecting

Jupiter and he is in Devaamsa (i.e. Mars represents some godly karma of past

lives). Thus, his aspect on Jupiter is beneficial. I have Jupiter in Sg

afflicted by a whole bunch of planets in dual signs in navamsa and things are

different in my case.

 

The point I want to make is that the exact yoga may not apply, but it may apply

to a lesser degree in some cases. But there are fine judgments to be made based

on the individual case, as I showed abobve. Out of the charts I have checked,

Sri Suryanarain Rao comes the closest to being a Trikaalajna.

May Jupiter's light shine on us,Narasimha