Guest guest Posted April 26, 2004 Report Share Posted April 26, 2004 Dear Ramdas Raoji RAM KRISHN HARE Thanks for supporting my views. When we take bigining part for calculation and find the longitude of upgrahas,we automatically get the complete range of longitude covered by upgrahas. For example,if Ardh-Prahar longitude is say 212 degrees ang Yamkantak longitude is 232 degrees,we can infer that Ardh-prahar is from 212 to 232(planets/houses in this range have influence of Ardh-prahar).For middle part,we can not say such things directly. Ending part is also ruled out as Parashar has clearly said begining. Do you have translation of Upgrah computing verses in Prashn-Marg? Dr. Raman has skipped original verses and gave his own method in which he uses middle portion.However I think that it is not given directly in those verses(chapter 5-14,15,16). I have found another confusion in the calculations used by Narasimha in JHL. He is not taking 8th part as Nireesh. He takes the portion between Shani and Ravi as Nireesh. As per my understanding,8th part on each day is Nireesh(without lord). Most authors including Kalidas and Dr. Raman say the same thing. What do you say in this regard? While most books give 8th part without lord,there is no classical reference regarding order.All books follow order of weekdays but there is no explicit mention of it in any verse.They just say that first part is owned by weekday lord.Prashn marg says part of shukr is called YAM-SHUKR. Extending this,we can call part of chandr as YAM-CHANDR.These two are missing in BPHS. I feel that the order is as per Hora.Even Chaughadia is based on similar order.In case of Chaughadia,we have 8th part same as first. Since 8th part is without lord,Day-lord takes preference and hence 1st and 8th lords are same(i.e. weekday lord). Another variation says that day-lord owns one prahar while remaining 6 planets own half prahar each.So they are also called Ardh-yamesh (For Budh,we have the name Ardh-prahar).This completely matches with above scheme for chaughadia. I do not use them in analysis as my knowledge about upgrahas is very little.If you are using them,please share your experiences. I have pasted the details of calculations from JHL help file at the end. Thanks Anilkumar OM TAT SAT PS: In digest mode,all special fonts are lost and become unreadable. So you will find your mail little distorted. PPS: Narasimha calls Dhoom etc as upgrahas.They are actually Aprakash Grahas(planets without light).It is not correct to mix the two. *** YOU WROTE: Thu Apr 8, 2004 2:31am Re: |Sri Varaha| Upgrah Calculation Mistake ` nmae naray[ay, om namo näräyaëäya| Dear Anil Kumar Ji, If you refer to my earlier mail may be in December 2003,I have written about this.Both in BPHS and Uttara Kalamrita,it is mentioned that Shani's portion is Gulika ie.,the beginning portion of Shani's portion. In a query to Shri Chandrashekhar Ji, I had given all the calculation also about Gulika and Mandi.The same is explained in Muhurta Madhaveeyam also. Here is the shloka from Muhurta Madhaveeyam.It also tells about the interpretation of Ardha Prahara and Yama Kantaka : ¢havarnawadyae vasrSy àma[aòÉagaid nawa> ³me[, twa mampTyaí tTp %´ ³mat! gui¦k< AkRsutSy Éag<,jIva<ZK< ymk<qkmamn<it, AxRàharmé[aid idne;u ved zElai]ba[ vsuviû guhanna<ZAT!. grahäväranäthädayo väsarasya pramäëäñöabhägädi näthäù krameëa| tathä mämapatyäçca tatpaïcamädyä ya ädyaàçanäthassa eväñöamasya|| ukta kramät guÿikam arkasutasya bhägaàjéväàçakaà tu yamakaëöakamämananti| ardhaprahäramaruëädi dineñu veda çailäkñibäëa vasuvahni guhänanäàçät|| I hope this helps you. With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana, Ramadas Rao. aokedia wrote: Dear Rath and Rao PVR RAM KRISHN HARE Your views about Gulik etc. rising at the end of respective part of planet are wrong.BPHS(Mumbai) clearly states that it is at the begining.Even common sense shows that if it is ending moment,then Gulikoday and Gulik-ast will be same.So how will you justify "Shanyansho Gulik:" Thanks Anilkumar OM TAT SAT *************************** Note: Narasimha has changed his views and now considers ending moment of respective part for upgrah calculation instead of bigining or middle part. --- Six upagrahas called Kaala, Mrityu, Arthaprahaara, Yamaghantaka, Gulika and Maandi are more difficult to compute. Kaala is a malefic upagraha similar to Sun. Mrityu is a malefic upagraha similar to Mars. Arthaprahaara is similar to Mercury. Yamaghantaka is similar to Jupiter. Gulika and Maandi are similar to Saturn. A day starts at the time of sunrise and ends at the time of sunset. A night starts at the time of sunset and ends at the time of next day's sunrise. Depending on whether one is born during the day or the night, we divide the length of the day/night into 8 equal parts. Daytime births: The first part is ruled by the lord of weekday and then we cover planets in the order of weekdays. The part after the one ruled by Saturn is lord-less. After that, Sun's part comes. For example, the first 1/8th of the daytime on a Thursday is ruled by Jupiter. Next part is ruled by Venus. The 3rd part is ruled by Saturn. The 4th part is lord-less. The 5th part is ruled by Sun. The 6th part is ruled by Moon. The 7th planet is ruled by Mars. The 8th part is ruled by Mercury. Table 7: Ruling planets Rulers of the 8 parts of the DAY Weekday 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th Sun Sun Moon Mars Merc Jup Ven Sat — Mon Moon Mars Merc Jup Ven Sat — Sun Tue Mars Merc Jup Ven Sat — Sun Moon Wed Merc Jup Ven Sat — Sun Moon Mars Thu Jup Ven Sat — Sun Moon Mars Merc Fri Ven Sat — Sun Moon Mars Merc Jup Sat Sat — Sun Moon Mars Merc Jup Ven Rulers of the 8 parts of the NIGHT Weekday 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th Sun Jup Ven Sat — Sun Moon Mars Merc Mon Ven Sat — Sun Moon Mars Merc Jup Tue Sat — Sun Moon Mars Merc Jup Ven Wed Sun Moon Mars Merc Jup Ven Sat — Thu Moon Mars Merc Jup Ven Sat — Sun Fri Mars Merc Jup Ven Sat — Sun Moon Sat Merc Jup Ven Sat — Sun Moon Mars Night time births: The first part is ruled by the 5th planet from the lord of weekday and then we cover planets in the order of weekdays. For example, the first 1/8th of a Thursday night is ruled by the 5th planet from Jupiter, i.e. Moon (Jupiter, Venus, Saturn, Sun, Moon – that's the 5th one). Next part is ruled by Mars. The 3rd part is ruled by Mercury. The 4th part is ruled by Jupiter. The 5th part is ruled by Venus. The 6th part is ruled by Saturn. The 7th planet is lord-less. The 8th part is ruled by Sun. Table 7 gives the list of the ruling planets of all the eight parts of the daytime and night time on all weekdays. Once we divide the day/night of birth into 8 equal parts and identify the ruling planets of the 8 parts, we can find the longitudes of Kaala etc upagrahas using the following procedure: (1) Kaala rises at the middle of Sun's part. In other words, we find the time at the middle of Sun's part and find lagna rising then. That gives Kaala's longitude. (1) Mrityu rises at the middle of Mars's part. (1) Artha Praharaka rises at the middle of Mercury's part. (1) Yama Ghantaka rises at the middle of Jupiter's part. (1) Gulika rises at the middle of Saturn's part. (1) Maandi rises at the beginning of Saturn's part. Suppose one is born on Thursday night and we want Yamaghantaka's longitude in his chart. Suppose night starts at 6 pm and ends at 6 am on the next day. We see from the table that Jupiter rules the 4th part of a Thursday night. Each part is 12/8 = 1.5 hours. The 4th part starts 4.5 hours after sunset, i.e. at 10:30 pm, and ends 1.5 hours later. So Jupiter's part extends from 10:30 pm to midnight. The middle point of this part is at 11:15 pm. We find lagna rising at 11:15 pm and that will be Yama Ghantaka's longitude. For more information, please refer to "Vedic Astrology: An Integrated Approach" by P.V.R. Narasimha Rao, from which the above material is extracted. ------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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