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Dear Shubhangi,

 

My comments in bold blue below. Thank you for making this conversation interesting.

 

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HariShubhangi Naik <shubhangi_naik (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Hari, Sarbaniji and Saaji ji,I thank you all for taking interest and

putting your efforts to help me clarify my concerns and doubts. The interest

that you had shown and your responses has encouraged me and to write more,

share some more information and seek clarification on some more concerns.1.

The information shared by Hari i.e ishta-devta considering lord of the sign in

the navamsa, which in my case is Mars in Taurus, Taurus being a female sign

indicates Chamundi-devi or Bhadrakali. This sounds astrologically correct as I

had also gone through Sanjay Rathji’s article on Atmakaraka and Ishta-Devta.2.

The information provided by Sarbaniji soundly logically correct that the

ultimate of the ishta-devta is to obtain salvation (moksha). The information

provided regarding Satvik, Rajasik and Tamasik worships is a wonderful piece of

information. But it is also true that we are born

on this earth to carry out some duties which we have been assigned, and while

performing these duties we often face obstacles. When we pray to our

ishta-devta our object is not only to get the moksha, but to gain the strength

to face the problems that we are facing or likely to face. It is said that one

cannot change its destiny but one can certainly adopt some remedies, which may

help to gain the strength to overcome the obstacles. You have rightly said that

“The second is Rajasik, where the worship is motivated for selfish purposes be

it siddhi, moksha, wealth, knowledge etc.” And in that case, from whatever I

said above it is easily understood that even my objective is Rajasik but

certainly not Tamasik.

[Hari] Yes, it is true that we are reborn on Bhuloka to burn off the associated

karmas and because of this, we have to face problems/suffering in this life.

But that doesnt mean we have to adopt rajasic/tamasic ways to alleviate the

problems. On this, Krishna is emphatic when he says that we have to remain

focused in the satvic way of doing things. The istadevata takes care of us when

we are trying to find our spiritual roots but to take care of our material

needs, there is another devata called the palanakarta devata which is

determined by the 6th from the navamsa position of the amatyakaraka. The

palanakarta devata is like the divine Mother which automatically takes care of

us and provides the sustenance necessary for us in this life. Finally, worship

of the Gurudevata brings the Guru (light of knowledge) in our lives and guide

us on to the spiritual path. This is seen from the planets conjoining/aspecting

the Bhratrikaraka in the

navamsa.

Yes, I wish to pray ishta-devta so that I can get the strength (the shakti) to

face whatever befalls on me and continue to do my duties towards my family (and

not get shattered and be a cause of worry to them) and for which purpose which I

am born on this earth. 3. Saaji ji: regarding Kartikeya not being worshiped

by females. Here is a small story, of which even you may be aware of, which is

well-known in Maharashtra from which place I belong where the females do not

pray kartikeya. Both Kartikeya and Ganesha was to get married to Riddhi and

Siddhi respectively. Now the question was who was to marry first. So the

condition was that whoever first completes the “parikrima” of mother earth

will be the first to marry. Ganesh being intelligent he makes “parikrima” of

his mother parvati as mother is equal to mother earth and marries Siddhi.

Kartikeya comes after several years after completing parikrima to the

mother earth and gets wild on Ganesha and Parvati for having cheated him. He

argues with parvati, decides never to marry and settles in South region. It is

believed that he is angry with the women. Well, this is what the story in

Maharashtra, I don’t know how much of this is true. Any other explanation for

the reason is most welcome.

[Hari] Well, I am not so well versed in the Puranas etc but I recollect most

pictures depicting Lord Murugan sitting on his peacock with his two wives by

his side. This North/South divide is also confusing.4. Mantra-

Pronunciation:- I agree that the mantras need to be pronounced properly and

often one tend to make mistake as all are not familiar to Sanskrit words. These

words are only to reassure that Sanskrit words wont be a problem to me…though I

am not a Sanskrit scholar myself but I can take the help of my mother.I await

your response to whatever I have stated above.I value your comments, advise,

suggestions and if there is anything in my mail which sounds offending I

request you to excuse me because my intention is not to harm anyone or to prove

anybody wrong - but I only seek clarifications to my doubts and concerns so that

I pray to correct ishta-devta, who can give me the

strength the fight the battles of my life.[Hari] Nothing wrong or offending in

your email, I pray Lord Narayana to bless and guide you in your life. Its a

pleasure to write such emails and the humorous way I look at it is "One

Poorvashada is only helping another fellow Poorvashada!" (Smile).

best regards

Hari

>Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:>Dear Shubhangi (and

Hari),>>We are taught in our parampara that the the ultimate goal is the

paramam padam or Vishnu. In order to relieve the burden of our sins and lead us

towards moksha; to forgive and protect us at all times; the one in whom we take

sharana in our darkest hour, is the Ishta Devata. We always worship the Ishta

Devata as Vishnu in one of the dasavatar forms as only Vishnu will lead us to

moksha, as he is the ultimate end or satya. The mantras we use for Ishta Devata

prarthana is from the Bhagavat Purana with prefixes of Om Namo Bhagavate...In

your case, Mars as Ishta Devata indicates Nrisimhadeva and the Ishta Mantra for

the same is Om Namo Bhagavate Nrisimhadevaya.>>Mars when otherwise indicating

deities in any of the charts, can represent Kartikeya, Hanuman or Chamunda.

Usually women don't worship Kartikeya, the God of War, although Subramania

Swamy is greatly revered in the south. Hanuman is very much worshippable as he

removes all 'sankata' and removes ugra mangala doshas. Chamunda, the presiding

deity of the Devi Mahatmya, is the goddess who sits in our hearts and who has

the utimate power to deliver even the most tortured souls roaming the universe.

She is the great goddess whom Rama worshipped with the Chamunda Hrdaya mantra (a

navarna mantra which Rama transformed into a dasakshari by adding pranava)

immediately prior to embarking on his final battle with Ravana. She is

trigunatmika, very pure and supremely divine and she is not associated with

black magic. That her immense powers are invoked for tamasik practices is

another matter. For that matter even Dakshinamurty and Dattatreya are invoked

for black magic practices. In fact the> Dattatreya Tantra is one of the worst

in such matters.>>Let me share a story with all of you from the Uddhava Gita.

Krishna says that there are three methods

of worship. The first is Satvik, where the focus is entirely on Krishna (read:

Supreme Being in any form) and is utterly without any purpose or selfish

motivation. The second is Rajasik, where the worship is motivated for selfish

purposes be it siddhi, moksha, wealth, knowledge etc. and the final type is

Tamasik, where the worship is motivated for selfish purposes along with the

intention of harming or causing injury to another. Ishta Devata worship can

never be anything else but Satvik...and for that matter all other worships as

well.>>Best Regards,>>Sarbani>>>>

Shubhangi Naik [shubhangi_naik (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com]>Monday, May 17,

2004 11:11 AM>vedic astrology>[vedic astrology]

Ishta-Devta for Mars>>>>>>>Dear Sirs,>>I have been reading all the mails on

Ishta-devtas and

Atmakarakas.>>I have some queries and concerns regarding ishta-devta for planet

Mars.>>I understand that hanuman,kartikeya,chamunda-devi and narsimha all

represents mars – except kartikeya all 3 are married in their respective

original forms.>>All of them except kartikey are incarnations of :>Hanuman -

shiva>Chamunda - gauri/parvati>Narsimha - vishnu>>Generally Hanuman is not

advised because he never married and is a celibate. If this be than even rest 3

were not married and also the incarnation was with specific objective or

purpose.>>I pray hanuman as a representation of mars because know much of

hanuman who is worshiped all over India but have little or no knowledge or

information about kartikeya who is more so famous in south as Subramaniym or

Chamunda-devi i know for sure that her name is used while performing some

evil/black-magic kind of and Narsimha is the one who came to rescue bhakt

pralhad..>>Also except for hanuman who is also symbolised as "das" and who

assisted Rama to attain his objective..the others are warrior

gods...>>Generally one would advise to pray kartikeya, chamunda and

narsimha...but how is it possible to pray all for one Mars (since all of them

represents mars) and it would only mean thinking on whether we are praying to a

right devta or not.>>I request the members to help me clarify my doubts and

concerns.>>I am enclosing my birth-chart for reference if need be.>>Is simply

praying ishta-devta and regularly performing pooja enough or one needs to

recite mantras also?>If mantras are necessary, may I request to recommend a

mantra to me?>>I await your response.>Thanking

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Dear Saaji,

Shubhangi is not wrong. In Maharashtra , for reason I do not remember

now, Ladies do not worship Kartikeya. I am not much in to matters

religious but this labeling of various deities as Tamasik, Rajasik and

Satwik appears to be contrary to what Lord Krishna says about the

Supreme One and its manifestation. In my opinion, being forms of the

Supreme being who is formless this labeling may not be accurate. I have

also seen kshudradevata being translated as Tamasik deities, perhaps it

means minor devata. Of course this is my personal opinion and the

Learned might have a different opinion.

Chandrashekhar.

 

saaji kulangara wrote:

 

> Om Subrahmanyaya Namah

>

> Dear Shubhangiji,

>

> I know the story you depicted but with a bit modification. In

> the `version' I know it was not for marrying any one, but for a

> special mango that Narada Maharshi brought : - ) Rest is the same, he

> went to south and `settled' there. If my memory is correct, Skanda

> Purana has this version!

>

> In any case there is no restriction for women worship. I'm born in a

> brahmin family and we do temple work in a very old Kartikeya(Muruga,

> Subrahmanya, Kartikeya, Skanda ...) temple and from that point of

> view also I state this. As in everywhere we see more women than men.

> (I hope you have seen Hariji's and Jayasreeji's msg as well which

> clarifies this point) Shashti vruth is very important for fulfillment

> of desires. The same is also good for problems with progeny and happy

> married life (See the connection with Mars). If you have seen

> Subrahmanya Sahasranamam you can also understand that he's also the

> Lord of Jyotish. Infact, eventhough Lord Dakshinamurthy is the Lord

> of Jyotish, astrologers also pray to Lord Subrahmanya for intuition.

>

> Nothing more to say. I endorse all other words of Sarbani Ji except

> about Lord Hanuman. There seems to be some reservations for his

> worship. And, as far as I know, he's associated with Sanidev.

>

> Ultimately everything merges in one, Shubhangiji. See `Sankara

> Narayanan' , `Ardhanareeswaran' etc; From this point what you said is

> more important, since we are here to do our duties , to avoid

> obstacles, we need to worship the prescribed forms of that Adi

> Parashakti. As Bhagwan Vishnu is pure Sattvic form we need to worship

> Vishnu to control our senses and He ensures us a place in Vaikunda.

>

> Best Wishes,

>

> Saaji

>

>

> vedic astrology, "Shubhangi Naik"

> <shubhangi_naik@r...> wrote:

> > Dear Hari, Sarbaniji and Saaji ji,

> >

> > I thank you all for taking interest and putting your efforts to

> help me clarify my concerns and doubts.

> >

> > The interest that you had shown and your responses has encouraged

> me and to write more, share some more information and seek

> clarification on some more concerns.

> >

> >

> > 1. The information shared by Hari i.e ishta-devta considering

> lord of the sign in the navamsa, which in my case is Mars in Taurus,

> Taurus being a female sign indicates Chamundi-devi or Bhadrakali.

> This sounds astrologically correct as I had also gone through Sanjay

> Rathji's article on Atmakaraka and Ishta-Devta.

> >

> > 2. The information provided by Sarbaniji soundly logically

> correct that the ultimate of the ishta-devta is to obtain salvation

> (moksha). The information provided regarding Satvik, Rajasik and

> Tamasik worships is a wonderful piece of information.

> >

> > But it is also true that we are born on this earth to carry out

> some duties which we have been assigned, and while performing these

> duties we often face obstacles. When we pray to our ishta-devta our

> object is not only to get the moksha, but to gain the strength to

> face the problems that we are facing or likely to face. It is said

> that one cannot change its destiny but one can certainly adopt some

> remedies, which may help to gain the strength to overcome the

> obstacles.

> >

> > You have rightly said that "The second is Rajasik, where the

> worship is motivated for selfish purposes be it siddhi, moksha,

> wealth, knowledge etc."

> > And in that case, from whatever I said above it is easily

> understood that even my objective is Rajasik but certainly not

> Tamasik.

> >

> > Yes, I wish to pray ishta-devta so that I can get the strength (the

> shakti) to face whatever befalls on me and continue to do my duties

> towards my family (and not get shattered and be a cause of worry to

> them) and for which purpose which I am born on this earth.

> >

> >

> > 3. Saaji ji: regarding Kartikeya not being worshiped by females.

> Here is a small story, of which even you may be aware of, which is

> well-known in Maharashtra from which place I belong where the females

> do not pray kartikeya.

> >

> > Both Kartikeya and Ganesha was to get married to Riddhi and Siddhi

> respectively. Now the question was who was to marry first. So the

> condition was that whoever first completes the "parikrima" of mother

> earth will be the first to marry. Ganesh being intelligent he

> makes "parikrima" of his mother parvati as mother is equal to mother

> earth and marries Siddhi. Kartikeya comes after several years after

> completing parikrima to the mother earth and gets wild on Ganesha and

> Parvati for having cheated him. He argues with parvati, decides never

> to marry and settles in South region. It is believed that he is angry

> with the women. Well, this is what the story in Maharashtra, I don't

> know how much of this is true.

> >

> > Any other explanation for the reason is most welcome.

> >

> > 4. Mantra- Pronunciation:- I agree that the mantras need to be

> pronounced properly and often one tend to make mistake as all are not

> familiar to Sanskrit words.

> > These words are only to reassure that Sanskrit words wont be a

> problem to me…though I am not a Sanskrit scholar myself but I can

> take the help of my mother.

> >

> >

> > I await your response to whatever I have stated above.

> >

> > I value your comments, advise, suggestions and if there is anything

> in my mail which sounds offending I request you to excuse me because

> my intention is not to harm anyone or to prove anybody wrong - but I

> only seek clarifications to my doubts and concerns so that I pray to

> correct ishta-devta, who can give me the strength the fight the

> battles of my life.

> >

> > Best wishes to you all.

> > Regards,

> > Shubhangi

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani@s...> wrote:

> > >Dear Shubhangi (and Hari),

> > >

> > >We are taught in our parampara that the the ultimate goal is the

> paramam padam or Vishnu. In order to relieve the burden of our sins

> and lead us towards moksha; to forgive and protect us at all times;

> the one in whom we take sharana in our darkest hour, is the Ishta

> Devata. We always worship the Ishta Devata as Vishnu in one of the

> dasavatar forms as only Vishnu will lead us to moksha, as he is the

> ultimate end or satya. The mantras we use for Ishta Devata prarthana

> is from the Bhagavat Purana with prefixes of Om Namo Bhagavate...In

> your case, Mars as Ishta Devata indicates Nrisimhadeva and the Ishta

> Mantra for the same is Om Namo Bhagavate Nrisimhadevaya.

> > >

> > >Mars when otherwise indicating deities in any of the charts, can

> represent Kartikeya, Hanuman or Chamunda. Usually women don't worship

> Kartikeya, the God of War, although Subramania Swamy is greatly

> revered in the south. Hanuman is very much worshippable as he removes

> all 'sankata' and removes ugra mangala doshas. Chamunda, the

> presiding deity of the Devi Mahatmya, is the goddess who sits in our

> hearts and who has the utimate power to deliver even the most

> tortured souls roaming the universe. She is the great goddess whom

> Rama worshipped with the Chamunda Hrdaya mantra (a navarna mantra

> which Rama transformed into a dasakshari by adding pranava)

> immediately prior to embarking on his final battle with Ravana. She

> is trigunatmika, very pure and supremely divine and she is not

> associated with black magic. That her immense powers are invoked for

> tamasik practices is another matter. For that matter even

> Dakshinamurty and Dattatreya are invoked for black magic practices.

> In fact the

> > > Dattatreya Tantra is one of the worst in such matters.

> > >

> > >Let me share a story with all of you from the Uddhava Gita.

> Krishna says that there are three methods of worship. The first is

> Satvik, where the focus is entirely on Krishna (read: Supreme Being

> in any form) and is utterly without any purpose or selfish

> motivation. The second is Rajasik, where the worship is motivated for

> selfish purposes be it siddhi, moksha, wealth, knowledge etc. and the

> final type is Tamasik, where the worship is motivated for selfish

> purposes along with the intention of harming or causing injury to

> another. Ishta Devata worship can never be anything else but

> Satvik...and for that matter all other worships as well.

> > >

> > >Best Regards,

> > >

> > >Sarbani

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Shubhangi Naik [shubhangi_naik@r...]

> > >Monday, May 17, 2004 11:11 AM

> > >vedic astrology

> > >[vedic astrology] Ishta-Devta for Mars

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >Dear Sirs,

> > >

> > >I have been reading all the mails on Ishta-devtas and Atmakarakas.

> > >

> > >I have some queries and concerns regarding ishta-devta for planet

> Mars.

> > >

> > >I understand that hanuman,kartikeya,chamunda-devi and narsimha all

> represents mars – except kartikeya all 3 are married in their

> respective original forms.

> > >

> > >All of them except kartikey are incarnations of :

> > >Hanuman - shiva

> > >Chamunda - gauri/parvati

> > >Narsimha - vishnu

> > >

> > >Generally Hanuman is not advised because he never married and is a

> celibate. If this be than even rest 3 were not married and also the

> incarnation was with specific objective or purpose.

> > >

> > >I pray hanuman as a representation of mars because know much of

> hanuman who is worshiped all over India but have little or no

> knowledge or information about kartikeya who is more so famous in

> south as Subramaniym or Chamunda-devi i know for sure that her name

> is used while performing some evil/black-magic kind of and Narsimha

> is the one who came to rescue bhakt pralhad..

> > >

> > >Also except for hanuman who is also symbolised as "das" and who

> assisted Rama to attain his objective..the others are warrior gods...

> > >

> > >Generally one would advise to pray kartikeya, chamunda and

> narsimha...but how is it possible to pray all for one Mars (since

> all of them represents mars) and it would only mean thinking on

> whether we are praying to a right devta or not.

> > >

> > >I request the members to help me clarify my doubts and concerns.

> > >

> > >I am enclosing my birth-chart for reference if need be.

> > >

> > >Is simply praying ishta-devta and regularly performing pooja

> enough or one needs to recite mantras also?

> > >If mantras are necessary, may I request to recommend a mantra to

> me?

> > >

> > >I await your response.

> > >Thanking you.

> > >

> > >Regards

> > >Shubhangi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Dear Chandrashekharji,

 

Its really interesting how far this thread has deviated!! I never wrote

about satvik, rajasik and tamasik deities but methods of worship. And oh

yes...Krishna speaks at length on it in the Uddhava Gita. If you wish I can

paste all the shlokas to you right here...

 

Sarbani

 

 

Chandrashekhar [boxdel]

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 1:03 AM

saaji kulangara

Cc: vedic astrology

Re: [vedic astrology] Re:Ishta-Devta for Mars and a Story from

Uddhava Gita

 

Dear Saaji,

Shubhangi is not wrong. In Maharashtra , for reason I do not remember now,

Ladies do not worship Kartikeya. I am not much in to matters religious but

this labeling of various deities as Tamasik, Rajasik and Satwik appears to

be contrary to what Lord Krishna says about the Supreme One and its

manifestation. In my opinion, being forms of the Supreme being who is

formless this labeling may not be accurate. I have also seen kshudradevata

being translated as Tamasik deities, perhaps it means minor devata. Of

course this is my personal opinion and the Learned might have a different

opinion.

Chandrashekhar.

 

saaji kulangara wrote:

 

> Om Subrahmanyaya Namah

>

> Dear Shubhangiji,

>

> I know the story you depicted but with a bit modification. In the

> `version' I know it was not for marrying any one, but for a special

> mango that Narada Maharshi brought : - ) Rest is the same, he went to

> south and `settled' there. If my memory is correct, Skanda Purana has

> this version!

>

> In any case there is no restriction for women worship. I'm born in a

> brahmin family and we do temple work in a very old Kartikeya(Muruga,

> Subrahmanya, Kartikeya, Skanda ...) temple and from that point of view

> also I state this. As in everywhere we see more women than men.

> (I hope you have seen Hariji's and Jayasreeji's msg as well which

> clarifies this point) Shashti vruth is very important for fulfillment

> of desires. The same is also good for problems with progeny and happy

> married life (See the connection with Mars). If you have seen

> Subrahmanya Sahasranamam you can also understand that he's also the

> Lord of Jyotish. Infact, eventhough Lord Dakshinamurthy is the Lord of

> Jyotish, astrologers also pray to Lord Subrahmanya for intuition.

>

> Nothing more to say. I endorse all other words of Sarbani Ji except

> about Lord Hanuman. There seems to be some reservations for his

> worship. And, as far as I know, he's associated with Sanidev.

>

> Ultimately everything merges in one, Shubhangiji. See `Sankara

> Narayanan' , `Ardhanareeswaran' etc; From this point what you said is

> more important, since we are here to do our duties , to avoid

> obstacles, we need to worship the prescribed forms of that Adi

> Parashakti. As Bhagwan Vishnu is pure Sattvic form we need to worship

> Vishnu to control our senses and He ensures us a place in Vaikunda.

>

> Best Wishes,

>

> Saaji

>

>

> vedic astrology, "Shubhangi Naik"

> <shubhangi_naik@r...> wrote:

> > Dear Hari, Sarbaniji and Saaji ji,

> >

> > I thank you all for taking interest and putting your efforts to

> help me clarify my concerns and doubts.

> >

> > The interest that you had shown and your responses has encouraged

> me and to write more, share some more information and seek

> clarification on some more concerns.

> >

> >

> > 1. The information shared by Hari i.e ishta-devta considering

> lord of the sign in the navamsa, which in my case is Mars in Taurus,

> Taurus being a female sign indicates Chamundi-devi or Bhadrakali.

> This sounds astrologically correct as I had also gone through Sanjay

> Rathji's article on Atmakaraka and Ishta-Devta.

> >

> > 2. The information provided by Sarbaniji soundly logically

> correct that the ultimate of the ishta-devta is to obtain salvation

> (moksha). The information provided regarding Satvik, Rajasik and

> Tamasik worships is a wonderful piece of information.

> >

> > But it is also true that we are born on this earth to carry out

> some duties which we have been assigned, and while performing these

> duties we often face obstacles. When we pray to our ishta-devta our

> object is not only to get the moksha, but to gain the strength to face

> the problems that we are facing or likely to face. It is said that one

> cannot change its destiny but one can certainly adopt some remedies,

> which may help to gain the strength to overcome the obstacles.

> >

> > You have rightly said that "The second is Rajasik, where the

> worship is motivated for selfish purposes be it siddhi, moksha,

> wealth, knowledge etc."

> > And in that case, from whatever I said above it is easily

> understood that even my objective is Rajasik but certainly not

> Tamasik.

> >

> > Yes, I wish to pray ishta-devta so that I can get the strength (the

> shakti) to face whatever befalls on me and continue to do my duties

> towards my family (and not get shattered and be a cause of worry to

> them) and for which purpose which I am born on this earth.

> >

> >

> > 3. Saaji ji: regarding Kartikeya not being worshiped by females.

> Here is a small story, of which even you may be aware of, which is

> well-known in Maharashtra from which place I belong where the females

> do not pray kartikeya.

> >

> > Both Kartikeya and Ganesha was to get married to Riddhi and Siddhi

> respectively. Now the question was who was to marry first. So the

> condition was that whoever first completes the "parikrima" of mother

> earth will be the first to marry. Ganesh being intelligent he makes

> "parikrima" of his mother parvati as mother is equal to mother earth

> and marries Siddhi. Kartikeya comes after several years after

> completing parikrima to the mother earth and gets wild on Ganesha and

> Parvati for having cheated him. He argues with parvati, decides never

> to marry and settles in South region. It is believed that he is angry

> with the women. Well, this is what the story in Maharashtra, I don't

> know how much of this is true.

> >

> > Any other explanation for the reason is most welcome.

> >

> > 4. Mantra- Pronunciation:- I agree that the mantras need to be

> pronounced properly and often one tend to make mistake as all are not

> familiar to Sanskrit words.

> > These words are only to reassure that Sanskrit words wont be a

> problem to me.though I am not a Sanskrit scholar myself but I can take

> the help of my mother.

> >

> >

> > I await your response to whatever I have stated above.

> >

> > I value your comments, advise, suggestions and if there is anything

> in my mail which sounds offending I request you to excuse me because

> my intention is not to harm anyone or to prove anybody wrong - but I

> only seek clarifications to my doubts and concerns so that I pray to

> correct ishta-devta, who can give me the strength the fight the

> battles of my life.

> >

> > Best wishes to you all.

> > Regards,

> > Shubhangi

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani@s...> wrote:

> > >Dear Shubhangi (and Hari),

> > >

> > >We are taught in our parampara that the the ultimate goal is the

> paramam padam or Vishnu. In order to relieve the burden of our sins

> and lead us towards moksha; to forgive and protect us at all times;

> the one in whom we take sharana in our darkest hour, is the Ishta

> Devata. We always worship the Ishta Devata as Vishnu in one of the

> dasavatar forms as only Vishnu will lead us to moksha, as he is the

> ultimate end or satya. The mantras we use for Ishta Devata prarthana

> is from the Bhagavat Purana with prefixes of Om Namo Bhagavate...In

> your case, Mars as Ishta Devata indicates Nrisimhadeva and the Ishta

> Mantra for the same is Om Namo Bhagavate Nrisimhadevaya.

> > >

> > >Mars when otherwise indicating deities in any of the charts, can

> represent Kartikeya, Hanuman or Chamunda. Usually women don't worship

> Kartikeya, the God of War, although Subramania Swamy is greatly

> revered in the south. Hanuman is very much worshippable as he removes

> all 'sankata' and removes ugra mangala doshas. Chamunda, the presiding

> deity of the Devi Mahatmya, is the goddess who sits in our hearts and

> who has the utimate power to deliver even the most tortured souls

> roaming the universe. She is the great goddess whom Rama worshipped

> with the Chamunda Hrdaya mantra (a navarna mantra which Rama

> transformed into a dasakshari by adding pranava) immediately prior to

> embarking on his final battle with Ravana. She is trigunatmika, very

> pure and supremely divine and she is not associated with black magic.

> That her immense powers are invoked for tamasik practices is another

> matter. For that matter even Dakshinamurty and Dattatreya are invoked

> for black magic practices.

> In fact the

> > > Dattatreya Tantra is one of the worst in such matters.

> > >

> > >Let me share a story with all of you from the Uddhava Gita.

> Krishna says that there are three methods of worship. The first is

> Satvik, where the focus is entirely on Krishna (read: Supreme Being in

> any form) and is utterly without any purpose or selfish motivation.

> The second is Rajasik, where the worship is motivated for selfish

> purposes be it siddhi, moksha, wealth, knowledge etc. and the final

> type is Tamasik, where the worship is motivated for selfish purposes

> along with the intention of harming or causing injury to another.

> Ishta Devata worship can never be anything else but Satvik...and for

> that matter all other worships as well.

> > >

> > >Best Regards,

> > >

> > >Sarbani

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Shubhangi Naik [shubhangi_naik@r...]

> > >Monday, May 17, 2004 11:11 AM

> > >vedic astrology

> > >[vedic astrology] Ishta-Devta for Mars

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >Dear Sirs,

> > >

> > >I have been reading all the mails on Ishta-devtas and Atmakarakas.

> > >

> > >I have some queries and concerns regarding ishta-devta for planet

> Mars.

> > >

> > >I understand that hanuman,kartikeya,chamunda-devi and narsimha all

> represents mars - except kartikeya all 3 are married in their

> respective original forms.

> > >

> > >All of them except kartikey are incarnations of :

> > >Hanuman - shiva

> > >Chamunda - gauri/parvati

> > >Narsimha - vishnu

> > >

> > >Generally Hanuman is not advised because he never married and is a

> celibate. If this be than even rest 3 were not married and also the

> incarnation was with specific objective or purpose.

> > >

> > >I pray hanuman as a representation of mars because know much of

> hanuman who is worshiped all over India but have little or no

> knowledge or information about kartikeya who is more so famous in

> south as Subramaniym or Chamunda-devi i know for sure that her name is

> used while performing some evil/black-magic kind of and Narsimha is

> the one who came to rescue bhakt pralhad..

> > >

> > >Also except for hanuman who is also symbolised as "das" and who

> assisted Rama to attain his objective..the others are warrior gods...

> > >

> > >Generally one would advise to pray kartikeya, chamunda and

> narsimha...but how is it possible to pray all for one Mars (since all

> of them represents mars) and it would only mean thinking on whether we

> are praying to a right devta or not.

> > >

> > >I request the members to help me clarify my doubts and concerns.

> > >

> > >I am enclosing my birth-chart for reference if need be.

> > >

> > >Is simply praying ishta-devta and regularly performing pooja

> enough or one needs to recite mantras also?

> > >If mantras are necessary, may I request to recommend a mantra to

> me?

> > >

> > >I await your response.

> > >Thanking you.

> > >

> > >Regards

> > >Shubhangi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Dear Chandrashekharji,

 

Its really interesting how far this thread has deviated!! I never wrote

about satvik, rajasik and tamasik deities but methods of worship. And oh

yes...Krishna speaks at length on it in the Uddhava Gita. If you wish I can

paste all the shlokas to you right here...

 

Sarbani

 

 

Chandrashekhar [boxdel]

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 1:03 AM

saaji kulangara

Cc: vedic astrology

Re: [vedic astrology] Re:Ishta-Devta for Mars and a Story from

Uddhava Gita

 

Dear Saaji,

Shubhangi is not wrong. In Maharashtra , for reason I do not remember now,

Ladies do not worship Kartikeya. I am not much in to matters religious but

this labeling of various deities as Tamasik, Rajasik and Satwik appears to

be contrary to what Lord Krishna says about the Supreme One and its

manifestation. In my opinion, being forms of the Supreme being who is

formless this labeling may not be accurate. I have also seen kshudradevata

being translated as Tamasik deities, perhaps it means minor devata. Of

course this is my personal opinion and the Learned might have a different

opinion.

Chandrashekhar.

 

saaji kulangara wrote:

 

> Om Subrahmanyaya Namah

>

> Dear Shubhangiji,

>

> I know the story you depicted but with a bit modification. In the

> `version' I know it was not for marrying any one, but for a special

> mango that Narada Maharshi brought : - ) Rest is the same, he went to

> south and `settled' there. If my memory is correct, Skanda Purana has

> this version!

>

> In any case there is no restriction for women worship. I'm born in a

> brahmin family and we do temple work in a very old Kartikeya(Muruga,

> Subrahmanya, Kartikeya, Skanda ...) temple and from that point of view

> also I state this. As in everywhere we see more women than men.

> (I hope you have seen Hariji's and Jayasreeji's msg as well which

> clarifies this point) Shashti vruth is very important for fulfillment

> of desires. The same is also good for problems with progeny and happy

> married life (See the connection with Mars). If you have seen

> Subrahmanya Sahasranamam you can also understand that he's also the

> Lord of Jyotish. Infact, eventhough Lord Dakshinamurthy is the Lord of

> Jyotish, astrologers also pray to Lord Subrahmanya for intuition.

>

> Nothing more to say. I endorse all other words of Sarbani Ji except

> about Lord Hanuman. There seems to be some reservations for his

> worship. And, as far as I know, he's associated with Sanidev.

>

> Ultimately everything merges in one, Shubhangiji. See `Sankara

> Narayanan' , `Ardhanareeswaran' etc; From this point what you said is

> more important, since we are here to do our duties , to avoid

> obstacles, we need to worship the prescribed forms of that Adi

> Parashakti. As Bhagwan Vishnu is pure Sattvic form we need to worship

> Vishnu to control our senses and He ensures us a place in Vaikunda.

>

> Best Wishes,

>

> Saaji

>

>

> vedic astrology, "Shubhangi Naik"

> <shubhangi_naik@r...> wrote:

> > Dear Hari, Sarbaniji and Saaji ji,

> >

> > I thank you all for taking interest and putting your efforts to

> help me clarify my concerns and doubts.

> >

> > The interest that you had shown and your responses has encouraged

> me and to write more, share some more information and seek

> clarification on some more concerns.

> >

> >

> > 1. The information shared by Hari i.e ishta-devta considering

> lord of the sign in the navamsa, which in my case is Mars in Taurus,

> Taurus being a female sign indicates Chamundi-devi or Bhadrakali.

> This sounds astrologically correct as I had also gone through Sanjay

> Rathji's article on Atmakaraka and Ishta-Devta.

> >

> > 2. The information provided by Sarbaniji soundly logically

> correct that the ultimate of the ishta-devta is to obtain salvation

> (moksha). The information provided regarding Satvik, Rajasik and

> Tamasik worships is a wonderful piece of information.

> >

> > But it is also true that we are born on this earth to carry out

> some duties which we have been assigned, and while performing these

> duties we often face obstacles. When we pray to our ishta-devta our

> object is not only to get the moksha, but to gain the strength to face

> the problems that we are facing or likely to face. It is said that one

> cannot change its destiny but one can certainly adopt some remedies,

> which may help to gain the strength to overcome the obstacles.

> >

> > You have rightly said that "The second is Rajasik, where the

> worship is motivated for selfish purposes be it siddhi, moksha,

> wealth, knowledge etc."

> > And in that case, from whatever I said above it is easily

> understood that even my objective is Rajasik but certainly not

> Tamasik.

> >

> > Yes, I wish to pray ishta-devta so that I can get the strength (the

> shakti) to face whatever befalls on me and continue to do my duties

> towards my family (and not get shattered and be a cause of worry to

> them) and for which purpose which I am born on this earth.

> >

> >

> > 3. Saaji ji: regarding Kartikeya not being worshiped by females.

> Here is a small story, of which even you may be aware of, which is

> well-known in Maharashtra from which place I belong where the females

> do not pray kartikeya.

> >

> > Both Kartikeya and Ganesha was to get married to Riddhi and Siddhi

> respectively. Now the question was who was to marry first. So the

> condition was that whoever first completes the "parikrima" of mother

> earth will be the first to marry. Ganesh being intelligent he makes

> "parikrima" of his mother parvati as mother is equal to mother earth

> and marries Siddhi. Kartikeya comes after several years after

> completing parikrima to the mother earth and gets wild on Ganesha and

> Parvati for having cheated him. He argues with parvati, decides never

> to marry and settles in South region. It is believed that he is angry

> with the women. Well, this is what the story in Maharashtra, I don't

> know how much of this is true.

> >

> > Any other explanation for the reason is most welcome.

> >

> > 4. Mantra- Pronunciation:- I agree that the mantras need to be

> pronounced properly and often one tend to make mistake as all are not

> familiar to Sanskrit words.

> > These words are only to reassure that Sanskrit words wont be a

> problem to me.though I am not a Sanskrit scholar myself but I can take

> the help of my mother.

> >

> >

> > I await your response to whatever I have stated above.

> >

> > I value your comments, advise, suggestions and if there is anything

> in my mail which sounds offending I request you to excuse me because

> my intention is not to harm anyone or to prove anybody wrong - but I

> only seek clarifications to my doubts and concerns so that I pray to

> correct ishta-devta, who can give me the strength the fight the

> battles of my life.

> >

> > Best wishes to you all.

> > Regards,

> > Shubhangi

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani@s...> wrote:

> > >Dear Shubhangi (and Hari),

> > >

> > >We are taught in our parampara that the the ultimate goal is the

> paramam padam or Vishnu. In order to relieve the burden of our sins

> and lead us towards moksha; to forgive and protect us at all times;

> the one in whom we take sharana in our darkest hour, is the Ishta

> Devata. We always worship the Ishta Devata as Vishnu in one of the

> dasavatar forms as only Vishnu will lead us to moksha, as he is the

> ultimate end or satya. The mantras we use for Ishta Devata prarthana

> is from the Bhagavat Purana with prefixes of Om Namo Bhagavate...In

> your case, Mars as Ishta Devata indicates Nrisimhadeva and the Ishta

> Mantra for the same is Om Namo Bhagavate Nrisimhadevaya.

> > >

> > >Mars when otherwise indicating deities in any of the charts, can

> represent Kartikeya, Hanuman or Chamunda. Usually women don't worship

> Kartikeya, the God of War, although Subramania Swamy is greatly

> revered in the south. Hanuman is very much worshippable as he removes

> all 'sankata' and removes ugra mangala doshas. Chamunda, the presiding

> deity of the Devi Mahatmya, is the goddess who sits in our hearts and

> who has the utimate power to deliver even the most tortured souls

> roaming the universe. She is the great goddess whom Rama worshipped

> with the Chamunda Hrdaya mantra (a navarna mantra which Rama

> transformed into a dasakshari by adding pranava) immediately prior to

> embarking on his final battle with Ravana. She is trigunatmika, very

> pure and supremely divine and she is not associated with black magic.

> That her immense powers are invoked for tamasik practices is another

> matter. For that matter even Dakshinamurty and Dattatreya are invoked

> for black magic practices.

> In fact the

> > > Dattatreya Tantra is one of the worst in such matters.

> > >

> > >Let me share a story with all of you from the Uddhava Gita.

> Krishna says that there are three methods of worship. The first is

> Satvik, where the focus is entirely on Krishna (read: Supreme Being in

> any form) and is utterly without any purpose or selfish motivation.

> The second is Rajasik, where the worship is motivated for selfish

> purposes be it siddhi, moksha, wealth, knowledge etc. and the final

> type is Tamasik, where the worship is motivated for selfish purposes

> along with the intention of harming or causing injury to another.

> Ishta Devata worship can never be anything else but Satvik...and for

> that matter all other worships as well.

> > >

> > >Best Regards,

> > >

> > >Sarbani

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Shubhangi Naik [shubhangi_naik@r...]

> > >Monday, May 17, 2004 11:11 AM

> > >vedic astrology

> > >[vedic astrology] Ishta-Devta for Mars

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >Dear Sirs,

> > >

> > >I have been reading all the mails on Ishta-devtas and Atmakarakas.

> > >

> > >I have some queries and concerns regarding ishta-devta for planet

> Mars.

> > >

> > >I understand that hanuman,kartikeya,chamunda-devi and narsimha all

> represents mars - except kartikeya all 3 are married in their

> respective original forms.

> > >

> > >All of them except kartikey are incarnations of :

> > >Hanuman - shiva

> > >Chamunda - gauri/parvati

> > >Narsimha - vishnu

> > >

> > >Generally Hanuman is not advised because he never married and is a

> celibate. If this be than even rest 3 were not married and also the

> incarnation was with specific objective or purpose.

> > >

> > >I pray hanuman as a representation of mars because know much of

> hanuman who is worshiped all over India but have little or no

> knowledge or information about kartikeya who is more so famous in

> south as Subramaniym or Chamunda-devi i know for sure that her name is

> used while performing some evil/black-magic kind of and Narsimha is

> the one who came to rescue bhakt pralhad..

> > >

> > >Also except for hanuman who is also symbolised as "das" and who

> assisted Rama to attain his objective..the others are warrior gods...

> > >

> > >Generally one would advise to pray kartikeya, chamunda and

> narsimha...but how is it possible to pray all for one Mars (since all

> of them represents mars) and it would only mean thinking on whether we

> are praying to a right devta or not.

> > >

> > >I request the members to help me clarify my doubts and concerns.

> > >

> > >I am enclosing my birth-chart for reference if need be.

> > >

> > >Is simply praying ishta-devta and regularly performing pooja

> enough or one needs to recite mantras also?

> > >If mantras are necessary, may I request to recommend a mantra to

> me?

> > >

> > >I await your response.

> > >Thanking you.

> > >

> > >Regards

> > >Shubhangi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Dear Sarbani,

My post was not about you saying anything contrary to religion at all.

It was a personal observation on different posts on the threads that had

appeared. My personal opinion is that the Upasana would be Satwik,

Rajasik or Tamasik, depending on the intent of one who carries it out. I

think my post highlights this principle only, may be in a different way.

There are many different versions of Gita, but Bhagvadgita suffices for

me. If you have Uddhava Gita in e- format and could zip it, please send

it to my personal mail. I would like to read it at length. I do have

Ashtavakra Gita.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

 

Sarbani Sarkar wrote:

 

> Dear Chandrashekharji,

>

> Its really interesting how far this thread has deviated!! I never wrote

> about satvik, rajasik and tamasik deities but methods of worship. And oh

> yes...Krishna speaks at length on it in the Uddhava Gita. If you wish

> I can

> paste all the shlokas to you right here...

>

> Sarbani

>

>

> Chandrashekhar [boxdel]

> Wednesday, May 19, 2004 1:03 AM

> saaji kulangara

> Cc: vedic astrology

> Re: [vedic astrology] Re:Ishta-Devta for Mars and a Story from

> Uddhava Gita

>

> Dear Saaji,

> Shubhangi is not wrong. In Maharashtra , for reason I do not remember now,

> Ladies do not worship Kartikeya. I am not much in to matters religious but

> this labeling of various deities as Tamasik, Rajasik and Satwik appears to

> be contrary to what Lord Krishna says about the Supreme One and its

> manifestation. In my opinion, being forms of the Supreme being who is

> formless this labeling may not be accurate. I have also seen kshudradevata

> being translated as Tamasik deities, perhaps it means minor devata. Of

> course this is my personal opinion and the Learned might have a different

> opinion.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> saaji kulangara wrote:

>

> > Om Subrahmanyaya Namah

> >

> > Dear Shubhangiji,

> >

> > I know the story you depicted but with a bit modification. In the

> > `version' I know it was not for marrying any one, but for a special

> > mango that Narada Maharshi brought : - ) Rest is the same, he went to

> > south and `settled' there. If my memory is correct, Skanda Purana has

> > this version!

> >

> > In any case there is no restriction for women worship. I'm born in a

> > brahmin family and we do temple work in a very old Kartikeya(Muruga,

> > Subrahmanya, Kartikeya, Skanda ...) temple and from that point of view

> > also I state this. As in everywhere we see more women than men.

> > (I hope you have seen Hariji's and Jayasreeji's msg as well which

> > clarifies this point) Shashti vruth is very important for fulfillment

> > of desires. The same is also good for problems with progeny and happy

> > married life (See the connection with Mars). If you have seen

> > Subrahmanya Sahasranamam you can also understand that he's also the

> > Lord of Jyotish. Infact, eventhough Lord Dakshinamurthy is the Lord of

> > Jyotish, astrologers also pray to Lord Subrahmanya for intuition.

> >

> > Nothing more to say. I endorse all other words of Sarbani Ji except

> > about Lord Hanuman. There seems to be some reservations for his

> > worship. And, as far as I know, he's associated with Sanidev.

> >

> > Ultimately everything merges in one, Shubhangiji. See `Sankara

> > Narayanan' , `Ardhanareeswaran' etc; From this point what you said is

> > more important, since we are here to do our duties , to avoid

> > obstacles, we need to worship the prescribed forms of that Adi

> > Parashakti. As Bhagwan Vishnu is pure Sattvic form we need to worship

> > Vishnu to control our senses and He ensures us a place in Vaikunda.

> >

> > Best Wishes,

> >

> > Saaji

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Shubhangi Naik"

> > <shubhangi_naik@r...> wrote:

> > > Dear Hari, Sarbaniji and Saaji ji,

> > >

> > > I thank you all for taking interest and putting your efforts to

> > help me clarify my concerns and doubts.

> > >

> > > The interest that you had shown and your responses has encouraged

> > me and to write more, share some more information and seek

> > clarification on some more concerns.

> > >

> > >

> > > 1. The information shared by Hari i.e ishta-devta considering

> > lord of the sign in the navamsa, which in my case is Mars in Taurus,

> > Taurus being a female sign indicates Chamundi-devi or Bhadrakali.

> > This sounds astrologically correct as I had also gone through Sanjay

> > Rathji's article on Atmakaraka and Ishta-Devta.

> > >

> > > 2. The information provided by Sarbaniji soundly logically

> > correct that the ultimate of the ishta-devta is to obtain salvation

> > (moksha). The information provided regarding Satvik, Rajasik and

> > Tamasik worships is a wonderful piece of information.

> > >

> > > But it is also true that we are born on this earth to carry out

> > some duties which we have been assigned, and while performing these

> > duties we often face obstacles. When we pray to our ishta-devta our

> > object is not only to get the moksha, but to gain the strength to face

> > the problems that we are facing or likely to face. It is said that one

> > cannot change its destiny but one can certainly adopt some remedies,

> > which may help to gain the strength to overcome the obstacles.

> > >

> > > You have rightly said that "The second is Rajasik, where the

> > worship is motivated for selfish purposes be it siddhi, moksha,

> > wealth, knowledge etc."

> > > And in that case, from whatever I said above it is easily

> > understood that even my objective is Rajasik but certainly not

> > Tamasik.

> > >

> > > Yes, I wish to pray ishta-devta so that I can get the strength (the

> > shakti) to face whatever befalls on me and continue to do my duties

> > towards my family (and not get shattered and be a cause of worry to

> > them) and for which purpose which I am born on this earth.

> > >

> > >

> > > 3. Saaji ji: regarding Kartikeya not being worshiped by females.

> > Here is a small story, of which even you may be aware of, which is

> > well-known in Maharashtra from which place I belong where the females

> > do not pray kartikeya.

> > >

> > > Both Kartikeya and Ganesha was to get married to Riddhi and Siddhi

> > respectively. Now the question was who was to marry first. So the

> > condition was that whoever first completes the "parikrima" of mother

> > earth will be the first to marry. Ganesh being intelligent he makes

> > "parikrima" of his mother parvati as mother is equal to mother earth

> > and marries Siddhi. Kartikeya comes after several years after

> > completing parikrima to the mother earth and gets wild on Ganesha and

> > Parvati for having cheated him. He argues with parvati, decides never

> > to marry and settles in South region. It is believed that he is angry

> > with the women. Well, this is what the story in Maharashtra, I don't

> > know how much of this is true.

> > >

> > > Any other explanation for the reason is most welcome.

> > >

> > > 4. Mantra- Pronunciation:- I agree that the mantras need to be

> > pronounced properly and often one tend to make mistake as all are not

> > familiar to Sanskrit words.

> > > These words are only to reassure that Sanskrit words wont be a

> > problem to me.though I am not a Sanskrit scholar myself but I can take

> > the help of my mother.

> > >

> > >

> > > I await your response to whatever I have stated above.

> > >

> > > I value your comments, advise, suggestions and if there is anything

> > in my mail which sounds offending I request you to excuse me because

> > my intention is not to harm anyone or to prove anybody wrong - but I

> > only seek clarifications to my doubts and concerns so that I pray to

> > correct ishta-devta, who can give me the strength the fight the

> > battles of my life.

> > >

> > > Best wishes to you all.

> > > Regards,

> > > Shubhangi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani@s...> wrote:

> > > >Dear Shubhangi (and Hari),

> > > >

> > > >We are taught in our parampara that the the ultimate goal is the

> > paramam padam or Vishnu. In order to relieve the burden of our sins

> > and lead us towards moksha; to forgive and protect us at all times;

> > the one in whom we take sharana in our darkest hour, is the Ishta

> > Devata. We always worship the Ishta Devata as Vishnu in one of the

> > dasavatar forms as only Vishnu will lead us to moksha, as he is the

> > ultimate end or satya. The mantras we use for Ishta Devata prarthana

> > is from the Bhagavat Purana with prefixes of Om Namo Bhagavate...In

> > your case, Mars as Ishta Devata indicates Nrisimhadeva and the Ishta

> > Mantra for the same is Om Namo Bhagavate Nrisimhadevaya.

> > > >

> > > >Mars when otherwise indicating deities in any of the charts, can

> > represent Kartikeya, Hanuman or Chamunda. Usually women don't worship

> > Kartikeya, the God of War, although Subramania Swamy is greatly

> > revered in the south. Hanuman is very much worshippable as he removes

> > all 'sankata' and removes ugra mangala doshas. Chamunda, the presiding

> > deity of the Devi Mahatmya, is the goddess who sits in our hearts and

> > who has the utimate power to deliver even the most tortured souls

> > roaming the universe. She is the great goddess whom Rama worshipped

> > with the Chamunda Hrdaya mantra (a navarna mantra which Rama

> > transformed into a dasakshari by adding pranava) immediately prior to

> > embarking on his final battle with Ravana. She is trigunatmika, very

> > pure and supremely divine and she is not associated with black magic.

> > That her immense powers are invoked for tamasik practices is another

> > matter. For that matter even Dakshinamurty and Dattatreya are invoked

> > for black magic practices.

> > In fact the

> > > > Dattatreya Tantra is one of the worst in such matters.

> > > >

> > > >Let me share a story with all of you from the Uddhava Gita.

> > Krishna says that there are three methods of worship. The first is

> > Satvik, where the focus is entirely on Krishna (read: Supreme Being in

> > any form) and is utterly without any purpose or selfish motivation.

> > The second is Rajasik, where the worship is motivated for selfish

> > purposes be it siddhi, moksha, wealth, knowledge etc. and the final

> > type is Tamasik, where the worship is motivated for selfish purposes

> > along with the intention of harming or causing injury to another.

> > Ishta Devata worship can never be anything else but Satvik...and for

> > that matter all other worships as well.

> > > >

> > > >Best Regards,

> > > >

> > > >Sarbani

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Shubhangi Naik [shubhangi_naik@r...]

> > > >Monday, May 17, 2004 11:11 AM

> > > >vedic astrology

> > > >[vedic astrology] Ishta-Devta for Mars

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >Dear Sirs,

> > > >

> > > >I have been reading all the mails on Ishta-devtas and Atmakarakas.

> > > >

> > > >I have some queries and concerns regarding ishta-devta for planet

> > Mars.

> > > >

> > > >I understand that hanuman,kartikeya,chamunda-devi and narsimha all

> > represents mars - except kartikeya all 3 are married in their

> > respective original forms.

> > > >

> > > >All of them except kartikey are incarnations of :

> > > >Hanuman - shiva

> > > >Chamunda - gauri/parvati

> > > >Narsimha - vishnu

> > > >

> > > >Generally Hanuman is not advised because he never married and is a

> > celibate. If this be than even rest 3 were not married and also the

> > incarnation was with specific objective or purpose.

> > > >

> > > >I pray hanuman as a representation of mars because know much of

> > hanuman who is worshiped all over India but have little or no

> > knowledge or information about kartikeya who is more so famous in

> > south as Subramaniym or Chamunda-devi i know for sure that her name is

> > used while performing some evil/black-magic kind of and Narsimha is

> > the one who came to rescue bhakt pralhad..

> > > >

> > > >Also except for hanuman who is also symbolised as "das" and who

> > assisted Rama to attain his objective..the others are warrior gods...

> > > >

> > > >Generally one would advise to pray kartikeya, chamunda and

> > narsimha...but how is it possible to pray all for one Mars (since all

> > of them represents mars) and it would only mean thinking on whether we

> > are praying to a right devta or not.

> > > >

> > > >I request the members to help me clarify my doubts and concerns.

> > > >

> > > >I am enclosing my birth-chart for reference if need be.

> > > >

> > > >Is simply praying ishta-devta and regularly performing pooja

> > enough or one needs to recite mantras also?

> > > >If mantras are necessary, may I request to recommend a mantra to

> > me?

> > > >

> > > >I await your response.

> > > >Thanking you.

> > > >

> > > >Regards

> > > >Shubhangi

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Dear Sarbani,

Jagmeet Dhindsa has been kind enough to send me Uddhava Gita in Word

format. So you need not bother. I will go through it and may write to

your personal mail, should I need any clarification.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

 

Sarbani Sarkar wrote:

 

>Dear Chandrashekharji,

>

>Exactly. 'Intention" is the right word. I have two Uddhava Gita

>translations. Both are from the Ramakrishna Mission done by two different

>monks. One is in English, the other in Bengali. Unfortunately they ae in

>print form.

>

>Best regards,

>

>Sarbani

>

>

>Chandrashekhar [boxdel]

>Saturday, May 22, 2004 1:03 AM

>Sarbani Sarkar

>Cc: 'saaji kulangara'; vedic astrology

>Re: [vedic astrology] Re:Ishta-Devta for Mars and a Story from

>Uddhava Gita

>

>Dear Sarbani,

>My post was not about you saying anything contrary to religion at all.

>It was a personal observation on different posts on the threads that had

>appeared. My personal opinion is that the Upasana would be Satwik, Rajasik

>or Tamasik, depending on the intent of one who carries it out. I think my

>post highlights this principle only, may be in a different way.

>There are many different versions of Gita, but Bhagvadgita suffices for me.

>If you have Uddhava Gita in e- format and could zip it, please send it to my

>personal mail. I would like to read it at length. I do have Ashtavakra Gita.

>Regards,

>Chandrashekhar.

>

>Sarbani Sarkar wrote:

>

>

>

>>Dear Chandrashekharji,

>>

>>Its really interesting how far this thread has deviated!! I never

>>wrote about satvik, rajasik and tamasik deities but methods of

>>worship. And oh yes...Krishna speaks at length on it in the Uddhava

>>Gita. If you wish I can paste all the shlokas to you right here...

>>

>>Sarbani

>>

>>

>>Chandrashekhar [boxdel]

>>Wednesday, May 19, 2004 1:03 AM

>>saaji kulangara

>>Cc: vedic astrology

>>Re: [vedic astrology] Re:Ishta-Devta for Mars and a Story

>>from Uddhava Gita

>>

>>Dear Saaji,

>>Shubhangi is not wrong. In Maharashtra , for reason I do not remember

>>now, Ladies do not worship Kartikeya. I am not much in to matters

>>religious but this labeling of various deities as Tamasik, Rajasik and

>>Satwik appears to be contrary to what Lord Krishna says about the

>>Supreme One and its manifestation. In my opinion, being forms of the

>>Supreme being who is formless this labeling may not be accurate. I

>>have also seen kshudradevata being translated as Tamasik deities,

>>perhaps it means minor devata. Of course this is my personal opinion

>>and the Learned might have a different opinion.

>>Chandrashekhar.

>>

>>saaji kulangara wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>>>Om Subrahmanyaya Namah

>>>

>>>Dear Shubhangiji,

>>>

>>>I know the story you depicted but with a bit modification. In the

>>>`version' I know it was not for marrying any one, but for a special

>>>mango that Narada Maharshi brought : - ) Rest is the same, he went

>>>to south and `settled' there. If my memory is correct, Skanda Purana

>>>has this version!

>>>

>>>In any case there is no restriction for women worship. I'm born in a

>>>brahmin family and we do temple work in a very old Kartikeya(Muruga,

>>>Subrahmanya, Kartikeya, Skanda ...) temple and from that point of

>>>view also I state this. As in everywhere we see more women than men.

>>>(I hope you have seen Hariji's and Jayasreeji's msg as well which

>>>clarifies this point) Shashti vruth is very important for

>>>fulfillment of desires. The same is also good for problems with

>>>progeny and happy married life (See the connection with Mars). If

>>>you have seen Subrahmanya Sahasranamam you can also understand that

>>>he's also the Lord of Jyotish. Infact, eventhough Lord

>>>Dakshinamurthy is the Lord of Jyotish, astrologers also pray to Lord

>>>

>>>

>Subrahmanya for intuition.

>

>

>>>Nothing more to say. I endorse all other words of Sarbani Ji except

>>>about Lord Hanuman. There seems to be some reservations for his

>>>worship. And, as far as I know, he's associated with Sanidev.

>>>

>>>Ultimately everything merges in one, Shubhangiji. See `Sankara

>>>Narayanan' , `Ardhanareeswaran' etc; From this point what you said

>>>is more important, since we are here to do our duties , to avoid

>>>obstacles, we need to worship the prescribed forms of that Adi

>>>Parashakti. As Bhagwan Vishnu is pure Sattvic form we need to

>>>worship Vishnu to control our senses and He ensures us a place in

>>>

>>>

>Vaikunda.

>

>

>>>Best Wishes,

>>>

>>>Saaji

>>>

>>>

>>>vedic astrology, "Shubhangi Naik"

>>><shubhangi_naik@r...> wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>>Dear Hari, Sarbaniji and Saaji ji,

>>>>

>>>>I thank you all for taking interest and putting your efforts to

>>>>

>>>>

>>>help me clarify my concerns and doubts.

>>>

>>>

>>>>The interest that you had shown and your responses has encouraged

>>>>

>>>>

>>>me and to write more, share some more information and seek

>>>clarification on some more concerns.

>>>

>>>

>>>>1. The information shared by Hari i.e ishta-devta considering

>>>>

>>>>

>>>lord of the sign in the navamsa, which in my case is Mars in Taurus,

>>>Taurus being a female sign indicates Chamundi-devi or Bhadrakali.

>>>This sounds astrologically correct as I had also gone through Sanjay

>>>Rathji's article on Atmakaraka and Ishta-Devta.

>>>

>>>

>>>>2. The information provided by Sarbaniji soundly logically

>>>>

>>>>

>>>correct that the ultimate of the ishta-devta is to obtain salvation

>>>(moksha). The information provided regarding Satvik, Rajasik and

>>>Tamasik worships is a wonderful piece of information.

>>>

>>>

>>>>But it is also true that we are born on this earth to carry out

>>>>

>>>>

>>>some duties which we have been assigned, and while performing these

>>>duties we often face obstacles. When we pray to our ishta-devta our

>>>object is not only to get the moksha, but to gain the strength to

>>>face the problems that we are facing or likely to face. It is said

>>>that one cannot change its destiny but one can certainly adopt some

>>>remedies, which may help to gain the strength to overcome the obstacles.

>>>

>>>

>>>>You have rightly said that "The second is Rajasik, where the

>>>>

>>>>

>>>worship is motivated for selfish purposes be it siddhi, moksha,

>>>wealth, knowledge etc."

>>>

>>>

>>>>And in that case, from whatever I said above it is easily

>>>>

>>>>

>>>understood that even my objective is Rajasik but certainly not

>>>Tamasik.

>>>

>>>

>>>>Yes, I wish to pray ishta-devta so that I can get the strength

>>>>(the

>>>>

>>>>

>>>shakti) to face whatever befalls on me and continue to do my duties

>>>towards my family (and not get shattered and be a cause of worry to

>>>them) and for which purpose which I am born on this earth.

>>>

>>>

>>>>3. Saaji ji: regarding Kartikeya not being worshiped by females.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>Here is a small story, of which even you may be aware of, which is

>>>well-known in Maharashtra from which place I belong where the

>>>females do not pray kartikeya.

>>>

>>>

>>>>Both Kartikeya and Ganesha was to get married to Riddhi and Siddhi

>>>>

>>>>

>>>respectively. Now the question was who was to marry first. So the

>>>condition was that whoever first completes the "parikrima" of mother

>>>earth will be the first to marry. Ganesh being intelligent he makes

>>>"parikrima" of his mother parvati as mother is equal to mother earth

>>>and marries Siddhi. Kartikeya comes after several years after

>>>completing parikrima to the mother earth and gets wild on Ganesha

>>>and Parvati for having cheated him. He argues with parvati, decides

>>>never to marry and settles in South region. It is believed that he

>>>is angry with the women. Well, this is what the story in

>>>Maharashtra, I don't know how much of this is true.

>>>

>>>

>>>>Any other explanation for the reason is most welcome.

>>>>

>>>>4. Mantra- Pronunciation:- I agree that the mantras need to be

>>>>

>>>>

>>>pronounced properly and often one tend to make mistake as all are

>>>not familiar to Sanskrit words.

>>>

>>>

>>>>These words are only to reassure that Sanskrit words wont be a

>>>>

>>>>

>>>problem to me.though I am not a Sanskrit scholar myself but I can

>>>take the help of my mother.

>>>

>>>

>>>>I await your response to whatever I have stated above.

>>>>

>>>>I value your comments, advise, suggestions and if there is

>>>>anything

>>>>

>>>>

>>>in my mail which sounds offending I request you to excuse me because

>>>my intention is not to harm anyone or to prove anybody wrong - but I

>>>only seek clarifications to my doubts and concerns so that I pray to

>>>correct ishta-devta, who can give me the strength the fight the

>>>battles of my life.

>>>

>>>

>>>>Best wishes to you all.

>>>>Regards,

>>>>Shubhangi

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani@s...> wrote:

>>>>>Dear Shubhangi (and Hari),

>>>>>

>>>>>We are taught in our parampara that the the ultimate goal is the

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>paramam padam or Vishnu. In order to relieve the burden of our sins

>>>and lead us towards moksha; to forgive and protect us at all times;

>>>the one in whom we take sharana in our darkest hour, is the Ishta

>>>Devata. We always worship the Ishta Devata as Vishnu in one of the

>>>dasavatar forms as only Vishnu will lead us to moksha, as he is the

>>>ultimate end or satya. The mantras we use for Ishta Devata prarthana

>>>is from the Bhagavat Purana with prefixes of Om Namo Bhagavate...In

>>>your case, Mars as Ishta Devata indicates Nrisimhadeva and the Ishta

>>>Mantra for the same is Om Namo Bhagavate Nrisimhadevaya.

>>>

>>>

>>>>>Mars when otherwise indicating deities in any of the charts, can

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>represent Kartikeya, Hanuman or Chamunda. Usually women don't

>>>worship Kartikeya, the God of War, although Subramania Swamy is

>>>greatly revered in the south. Hanuman is very much worshippable as

>>>he removes all 'sankata' and removes ugra mangala doshas. Chamunda,

>>>the presiding deity of the Devi Mahatmya, is the goddess who sits in

>>>our hearts and who has the utimate power to deliver even the most

>>>tortured souls roaming the universe. She is the great goddess whom

>>>Rama worshipped with the Chamunda Hrdaya mantra (a navarna mantra

>>>which Rama transformed into a dasakshari by adding pranava)

>>>immediately prior to embarking on his final battle with Ravana. She

>>>is trigunatmika, very pure and supremely divine and she is not

>>>

>>>

>associated with black magic.

>

>

>>>That her immense powers are invoked for tamasik practices is another

>>>matter. For that matter even Dakshinamurty and Dattatreya are

>>>invoked for black magic practices.

>>>In fact the

>>>

>>>

>>>>>Dattatreya Tantra is one of the worst in such matters.

>>>>>

>>>>>Let me share a story with all of you from the Uddhava Gita.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>Krishna says that there are three methods of worship. The first is

>>>Satvik, where the focus is entirely on Krishna (read: Supreme Being

>>>in any form) and is utterly without any purpose or selfish motivation.

>>>The second is Rajasik, where the worship is motivated for selfish

>>>purposes be it siddhi, moksha, wealth, knowledge etc. and the final

>>>type is Tamasik, where the worship is motivated for selfish purposes

>>>along with the intention of harming or causing injury to another.

>>>Ishta Devata worship can never be anything else but Satvik...and for

>>>that matter all other worships as well.

>>>

>>>

>>>>>Best Regards,

>>>>>

>>>>>Sarbani

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>Shubhangi Naik [shubhangi_naik@r...]

>>>>>Monday, May 17, 2004 11:11 AM

>>>>>vedic astrology

>>>>>[vedic astrology] Ishta-Devta for Mars

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>Dear Sirs,

>>>>>

>>>>>I have been reading all the mails on Ishta-devtas and Atmakarakas.

>>>>>

>>>>>I have some queries and concerns regarding ishta-devta for planet

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>Mars.

>>>

>>>

>>>>>I understand that hanuman,kartikeya,chamunda-devi and narsimha

>>>>>all

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>represents mars - except kartikeya all 3 are married in their

>>>respective original forms.

>>>

>>>

>>>>>All of them except kartikey are incarnations of :

>>>>>Hanuman - shiva

>>>>>Chamunda - gauri/parvati

>>>>>Narsimha - vishnu

>>>>>

>>>>>Generally Hanuman is not advised because he never married and is

>>>>>a

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>>>celibate. If this be than even rest 3 were not married and also the

>>>incarnation was with specific objective or purpose.

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>>>>>I pray hanuman as a representation of mars because know much of

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>hanuman who is worshiped all over India but have little or no

>>>knowledge or information about kartikeya who is more so famous in

>>>south as Subramaniym or Chamunda-devi i know for sure that her name

>>>is used while performing some evil/black-magic kind of and Narsimha

>>>is the one who came to rescue bhakt pralhad..

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>>>>>Also except for hanuman who is also symbolised as "das" and who

>>>>>

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>>>assisted Rama to attain his objective..the others are warrior gods...

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>>>>>Generally one would advise to pray kartikeya, chamunda and

>>>>>

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>>>narsimha...but how is it possible to pray all for one Mars (since

>>>all of them represents mars) and it would only mean thinking on

>>>whether we are praying to a right devta or not.

>>>

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>>>>>I request the members to help me clarify my doubts and concerns.

>>>>>

>>>>>I am enclosing my birth-chart for reference if need be.

>>>>>

>>>>>Is simply praying ishta-devta and regularly performing pooja

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>enough or one needs to recite mantras also?

>>>

>>>

>>>>>If mantras are necessary, may I request to recommend a mantra to

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>me?

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>>>

>>>>>I await your response.

>>>>>Thanking you.

>>>>>

>>>>>Regards

>>>>>Shubhangi

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