Re:--Re:Ishta-Devta for Mars and a Story from Uddhava Gita

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||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

 

Dear Saajiji,Shubhangiji,

 

I go through your reply to Shubhangiji and your point is also very clear!! You

have given the reference of Skanda Purana which is also very true!! But being

Maharashtrian I should told you about our tradition!

In Maharadhtra, women are not allowded to do the Darshana of Kartikeya except

Kartik Purnima (When Krittika Star is there) !! So I think as we live in India,

in every state or even in districts we may have diff. traditions to follow!! So

I think every one should follow his own tradtion as

" Swadharme Nidhanam Shreya Pardharmo Bhayavah"

Also in Pyagnyavivardhan stotra which is recommended for students of any stream

even for Jyotishas(REF: -Skanda Purana ) Shri Kartikeya is termed as "

Brahmachari ShikhiDwaja" in Second Sloka!! So what is Brahmachari?

So what I mean to say is if everyone follows his/her own tradition it will be

better !! Because Sthala,Kaala,Sthithi will change for every one every time!!

Like Sarbaniji says Shri Dattatreya Tantra is worst used in Black magic!! As

She is more knowledgeble and I'm unaware in Tantras, the only part Vedha Diksha

is known openly But in Maharashtra many are considering Devi's utilisation is

worst in Tantra for Black Magic & Shri Dattatreya is the most pious and He's

above all as He includes not only Vishnu but Brahma & Rudra also!! ( There are

various forms of Shri Dattatreya Ekmukhi, Trimukhi , Satguru of all Gurus, etc)

Also in Maharashtra there is Shakti Pitha of Renuka Or Ekvira at Mahur and

exactly oposite to Shri Datta Aashrama !! And consider that Shri Parshurama get

the Tripura Rahasya from Shri Dattatreya & destroy the Kshatriyas for 21times!

He's requested by Mata to do agni samskara of Jamadagni who is consider as

Shiva!! So every one will have his opinion as per the tradition he is brought

up!!

So ultimately every one is having his different traditions and on remedial part

or fixing diety is not so easy if we consider tradition also!! Now coming to

your part on fixing diety first of all we should consider the Gunas in every

diety!! Like Shri Narsimha is ugra devata, Skanda is Rajasik Devata as consider

as Devsenapathi and Hanumanji is Das or total surrender so most Satwik!! So I

think with different dieties (Like Ishta,Phalan,Guru,Dharma etc. ) we are

having different Guna associated so Considering this part one should select

appropriate Diety!! And this will interprete as per tradition!

So keep Your Viveka to find Diety !! All the best to all of you & may get bless

from your beloved dieties!!

And Lastly I 'll like to quote which is the ultimate every has to achieve in his

births or series of birth is :--

 

" Na Punyam Na Paapam, Na Saukhyam Na Dukham

Na Mantro Na Tirtham, Na Veda Na Yagnya

Aham Bhojanam Naiva Bhojyam Na Bhoktaa

ChidanadaRupah Shivo-ham Shivo-ham"

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Dear Vinay,

Excellent.

With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.patwardhanvinay <patwardhanvinay (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

 

Dear Saajiji,Shubhangiji,

 

I go through your reply to Shubhangiji and your point is also very clear!! You

have given the reference of Skanda Purana which is also very true!! But being

Maharashtrian I should told you about our tradition!

In Maharadhtra, women are not allowded to do the Darshana of Kartikeya except

Kartik Purnima (When Krittika Star is there) !! So I think as we live in India,

in every state or even in districts we may have diff. traditions to follow!! So

I think every one should follow his own tradtion as

" Swadharme Nidhanam Shreya Pardharmo Bhayavah"

Also in Pyagnyavivardhan stotra which is recommended for students of any stream

even for Jyotishas(REF: -Skanda Purana ) Shri Kartikeya is termed as "

Brahmachari ShikhiDwaja" in Second Sloka!! So what is Brahmachari?

So what I mean to say is if everyone follows his/her own tradition it will be

better !! Because Sthala,Kaala,Sthithi will change for every one every time!!

Like Sarbaniji says Shri Dattatreya Tantra is worst used in Black magic!! As

She is more knowledgeble and I'm unaware in Tantras, the only part Vedha Diksha

is known openly But in Maharashtra many are considering Devi's utilisation is

worst in Tantra for Black Magic & Shri Dattatreya is the most pious and He's

above all as He includes not only Vishnu but Brahma & Rudra also!! ( There are

various forms of Shri Dattatreya Ekmukhi, Trimukhi , Satguru of all Gurus, etc)

Also in Maharashtra there is Shakti Pitha of Renuka Or Ekvira at Mahur and

exactly oposite to Shri Datta Aashrama !! And consider that Shri Parshurama get

the Tripura Rahasya from Shri Dattatreya & destroy the Kshatriyas for 21times!

He's requested by Mata to do agni samskara of Jamadagni who

is consider as Shiva!! So every one will have his opinion as per the tradition he is brought up!!

So ultimately every one is having his different traditions and on remedial part

or fixing diety is not so easy if we consider tradition also!! Now coming to

your part on fixing diety first of all we should consider the Gunas in every

diety!! Like Shri Narsimha is ugra devata, Skanda is Rajasik Devata as consider

as Devsenapathi and Hanumanji is Das or total surrender so most Satwik!! So I

think with different dieties (Like Ishta,Phalan,Guru,Dharma etc. ) we are

having different Guna associated so Considering this part one should select

appropriate Diety!! And this will interprete as per tradition!

So keep Your Viveka to find Diety !! All the best to all of you & may get bless

from your beloved dieties!!

And Lastly I 'll like to quote which is the ultimate every has to achieve in his

births or series of birth is :--

 

" Na Punyam Na Paapam, Na Saukhyam Na Dukham

Na Mantro Na Tirtham, Na Veda Na Yagnya

Aham Bhojanam Naiva Bhojyam Na Bhoktaa

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Dear Vinayji,

 

Yes, the customs, traditions and habits are most important, hence

it's fine.

 

Regarding the shloka you mentioned (brahmacharya part), that's one

sided, have you gone through the Purana full? I forgot most :-)

Anyway you might be aware that He was born to kill Tarakasura, who

was given a boon that only a child can kill him, hence became

Devasenapati, or Deva of the Deva-s, and after that point the reason

of his avataram fulfilled. In this sense, although He's lord of war,

He's for destruction of Adharma...I hope you have read what Jayasree

wrote. In the first part He's a brahmachari , even in the temple I

mentioned he's in the form of a child who just had upanayanam, but we

have no restriction for women worship, and in even a single Deva

Prasna(Ashtamangala Prasna) did He say women shouldn't worship Him.

Infact that's more interesting, since he's balamurugan it's said that

He cant see the sufferings, hence blesses one fast.

 

Regarding your other point, black magic. There are some incidents I

know to prove that God can even be a servant of the devotees, and

will fulfill what all the devotee wishes for, whatever it's.

Therefore, If you pray them for black magic that also will be

fulfilled, wherever you are. It can happen otherwise also. Kali is

also a diety for Mars, find what Kalidasa the greatest bhakta of Kali

stands for!!!

 

Best Wishes,

 

Saaji

 

 

vedic astrology, "patwardhanvinay"

<patwardhanvinay@h...> wrote:

> ||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

>

> Dear Saajiji,Shubhangiji,

>

> I go through your reply to Shubhangiji and your point is also very

clear!! You have given the reference of Skanda Purana which is also

very true!! But being Maharashtrian I should told you about our

tradition!

> In Maharadhtra, women are not allowded to do the Darshana of

Kartikeya except Kartik Purnima (When Krittika Star is there) !! So I

think as we live in India, in every state or even in districts we may

have diff. traditions to follow!! So I think every one should follow

his own tradtion as

> " Swadharme Nidhanam Shreya Pardharmo Bhayavah"

> Also in Pyagnyavivardhan stotra which is recommended for students

of any stream even for Jyotishas(REF: -Skanda Purana ) Shri Kartikeya

is termed as " Brahmachari ShikhiDwaja" in Second Sloka!! So what is

Brahmachari?

> So what I mean to say is if everyone follows his/her own tradition

it will be better !! Because Sthala,Kaala,Sthithi will change for

every one every time!! Like Sarbaniji says Shri Dattatreya Tantra is

worst used in Black magic!! As She is more knowledgeble and I'm

unaware in Tantras, the only part Vedha Diksha is known openly But in

Maharashtra many are considering Devi's utilisation is worst in

Tantra for Black Magic & Shri Dattatreya is the most pious and He's

above all as He includes not only Vishnu but Brahma & Rudra also!! (

There are various forms of Shri Dattatreya Ekmukhi, Trimukhi ,

Satguru of all Gurus, etc) Also in Maharashtra there is Shakti Pitha

of Renuka Or Ekvira at Mahur and exactly oposite to Shri Datta

Aashrama !! And consider that Shri Parshurama get the Tripura Rahasya

from Shri Dattatreya & destroy the Kshatriyas for 21times! He's

requested by Mata to do agni samskara of Jamadagni who is consider as

Shiva!! So every one will have his opinion as per the tradition he is

brought up!!

> So ultimately every one is having his different traditions and on

remedial part or fixing diety is not so easy if we consider tradition

also!! Now coming to your part on fixing diety first of all we should

consider the Gunas in every diety!! Like Shri Narsimha is ugra

devata, Skanda is Rajasik Devata as consider as Devsenapathi and

Hanumanji is Das or total surrender so most Satwik!! So I think with

different dieties (Like Ishta,Phalan,Guru,Dharma etc. ) we are having

different Guna associated so Considering this part one should select

appropriate Diety!! And this will interprete as per tradition!

> So keep Your Viveka to find Diety !! All the best to all of you &

may get bless from your beloved dieties!!

> And Lastly I 'll like to quote which is the ultimate every has to

achieve in his births or series of birth is :--

>

> " Na Punyam Na Paapam, Na Saukhyam Na Dukham

> Na Mantro Na Tirtham, Na Veda Na Yagnya

> Aham Bhojanam Naiva Bhojyam Na Bhoktaa

> ChidanadaRupah Shivo-ham Shivo-ham"

[Guest guest]

Dear Saaji, Vinay,

 

Lord Muruga's marriage to Valli is very famous down South. Maybe he

was referred to as 'Brahmachari Shikidwaja' in reference to his state

at one specific point of his purana, it might not be appropriate to

seclude one state(ment) out of his entire purana to say he is a

Brahmachari in totality because that makes his marriages as invalid,

and they are also from the same purana. Also it doesn't sound

appropriate that from state to state or region to region, people

should feel differently about the same gods, this would only cause

lack of faith in due course. Infact, in Tamil, there is a saying

calling Muruga as the 'Kankanda Deyvam of Kali yuga' meaning 'the

ideal deity of Kaliyuga' and there are various praises along with

calling him as 'Valli, Deyvanai Manaalan' meaning the husband of

Valli and Devayani, etc. Even in Bhagwad Gita, Krishna when he talks

about his vibhootis, he says, 'I'm Skanda among army martials' the

same way as he says "I'm Prahlada among the asuras'. This neither

means that Prahlada has asuric characters and the same way, this does

not mean Muruga is only a Rajasic deity (Army), since if they were,

Sri Krishna would not say they are himself. Where I hail from, Muruga

is worshipped for everything, there are various famous temples (his

Arupadai temples meaning the 6 temples that carry the importance of

his 6 faces) and he is the best destroyer of evils, a protector and a

full-fledged god who can be worshipped for any purpose by anyone,

anytime.

 

Best wishes,

 

Jayashree

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "saaji kulangara"

<saajik> wrote:

> Dear Vinayji,

>

> Yes, the customs, traditions and habits are most important, hence

> it's fine.

>

> Regarding the shloka you mentioned (brahmacharya part), that's one

> sided, have you gone through the Purana full? I forgot most :-)

> Anyway you might be aware that He was born to kill Tarakasura, who

> was given a boon that only a child can kill him, hence became

> Devasenapati, or Deva of the Deva-s, and after that point the

reason

> of his avataram fulfilled. In this sense, although He's lord of

war,

> He's for destruction of Adharma...I hope you have read what

Jayasree

> wrote. In the first part He's a brahmachari , even in the temple I

> mentioned he's in the form of a child who just had upanayanam, but

we

> have no restriction for women worship, and in even a single Deva

> Prasna(Ashtamangala Prasna) did He say women shouldn't worship Him.

> Infact that's more interesting, since he's balamurugan it's said

that

> He cant see the sufferings, hence blesses one fast.

>

> Regarding your other point, black magic. There are some incidents I

> know to prove that God can even be a servant of the devotees, and

> will fulfill what all the devotee wishes for, whatever it's.

> Therefore, If you pray them for black magic that also will be

> fulfilled, wherever you are. It can happen otherwise also. Kali is

> also a diety for Mars, find what Kalidasa the greatest bhakta of

Kali

> stands for!!!

>

> Best Wishes,

>

> Saaji

>

>

> vedic astrology, "patwardhanvinay"

> <patwardhanvinay@h...> wrote:

> > ||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

> >

> > Dear Saajiji,Shubhangiji,

> >

> > I go through your reply to Shubhangiji and your point is also

very

> clear!! You have given the reference of Skanda Purana which is also

> very true!! But being Maharashtrian I should told you about our

> tradition!

> > In Maharadhtra, women are not allowded to do the Darshana of

> Kartikeya except Kartik Purnima (When Krittika Star is there) !! So

I

> think as we live in India, in every state or even in districts we

may

> have diff. traditions to follow!! So I think every one should

follow

> his own tradtion as

> > " Swadharme Nidhanam Shreya Pardharmo Bhayavah"

> > Also in Pyagnyavivardhan stotra which is recommended for students

> of any stream even for Jyotishas(REF: -Skanda Purana ) Shri

Kartikeya

> is termed as " Brahmachari ShikhiDwaja" in Second Sloka!! So what

is

> Brahmachari?

> > So what I mean to say is if everyone follows his/her own

tradition

> it will be better !! Because Sthala,Kaala,Sthithi will change for

> every one every time!! Like Sarbaniji says Shri Dattatreya Tantra

is

> worst used in Black magic!! As She is more knowledgeble and I'm

> unaware in Tantras, the only part Vedha Diksha is known openly But

in

> Maharashtra many are considering Devi's utilisation is worst in

> Tantra for Black Magic & Shri Dattatreya is the most pious and He's

> above all as He includes not only Vishnu but Brahma & Rudra also!!

(

> There are various forms of Shri Dattatreya Ekmukhi, Trimukhi ,

> Satguru of all Gurus, etc) Also in Maharashtra there is Shakti

Pitha

> of Renuka Or Ekvira at Mahur and exactly oposite to Shri Datta

> Aashrama !! And consider that Shri Parshurama get the Tripura

Rahasya

> from Shri Dattatreya & destroy the Kshatriyas for 21times! He's

> requested by Mata to do agni samskara of Jamadagni who is consider

as

> Shiva!! So every one will have his opinion as per the tradition he

is

> brought up!!

> > So ultimately every one is having his different traditions and on

> remedial part or fixing diety is not so easy if we consider

tradition

> also!! Now coming to your part on fixing diety first of all we

should

> consider the Gunas in every diety!! Like Shri Narsimha is ugra

> devata, Skanda is Rajasik Devata as consider as Devsenapathi and

> Hanumanji is Das or total surrender so most Satwik!! So I think

with

> different dieties (Like Ishta,Phalan,Guru,Dharma etc. ) we are

having

> different Guna associated so Considering this part one should

select

> appropriate Diety!! And this will interprete as per tradition!

> > So keep Your Viveka to find Diety !! All the best to all of you

&

> may get bless from your beloved dieties!!

> > And Lastly I 'll like to quote which is the ultimate every has to

> achieve in his births or series of birth is :--

> >

> > " Na Punyam Na Paapam, Na Saukhyam Na Dukham

> > Na Mantro Na Tirtham, Na Veda Na Yagnya

> > Aham Bhojanam Naiva Bhojyam Na Bhoktaa

> > ChidanadaRupah Shivo-ham Shivo-ham"

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

 

Disclaimer:

What I have written below is based on my limited understanding at this

time. Take it for what it is worth.

......

 

Hinduism is a six-fold religion - all six traditions arise out of the same

source (Vedas) and end in the same infinite.

 

Adi Sankaracharya had formalized the then bhakthi tradition into 6 types.

They are (in no particular order)

 

1. Saivam (Lord Siva as the Supreme God)

This is one of the most popular traditions all over India

2. Vaishnavam (Lord Vishnu as the Supreme God)

This is another most popular traditions all over India

3. Kaumaram (Lord Muruga / Subramaniya as the Supreme God)

This is still practised by some in south India (esp. Tamil Nadu)

4. Ganapathyam (Lord Ganapathy as the Supreme God)

I would guess there are some ashrams that still practise it

5. Saktham (Sakthi / Ambhikai as the Supreme God)

There exist followers in this tradition

6. Sowram (Worship of Sun as the Supreme God)

Dont know whether this is still alive, but is thought to be popular

during some time in the past.

 

Here Supreme God is used in the sense of one granting Moksha. Each school

has puranas that glorify its Supreme God and refer to others as non Moksha

giving demi-Gods. So care should be taken before someone passes off a

comment saying "only Vishnu can grant Moksha; Skanda is just a demi-God

with rajasic qualities". If you read Skanda purana, supremacy of Murugan is

extolled over that of Vishnu. For the realized, Vishnu, Murugan, Siva, etc

are just different names of the same Brahman.

 

Later somehow Kaumaram seems to have adapted Saivam due to its traditional

close links. So in panchayathana poojai, only Ganapathy, Siva, Vishnu,

Sakthi and Surya are worshipped. Some learned person in Kaumaram & Saivam

can perhaps give more insight into why Skanda/Murugan worship is not in

panchayathana poojai.

 

Many persons of God-realization, including but not limited to, Late. Sri.

Chandrasekara Saraswathi are of the opinion that one should choose a deity

for which one has a natural affinity as one's Ishta devatha. That seems to

be more practical approach than finding an Ishta devata through horoscope.

 

For example, if one has a natural affinity towards Lord Shiva from

childhood, he should be his/her Ishta even if horoscope shows Shakthi or

Gowri as the ishta. Go by instinct from your deep self. Love for God should

come naturally. We cannot tabulate love for a deity using formulas and

expect it to work in practise.

 

regards,

-Siva.

 

vedic astrology, "Jayashree" <jayashree_ravi@m...>

wrote:

> Dear Saaji, Vinay,

>

> Lord Muruga's marriage to Valli is very famous down South. Maybe he

> was referred to as 'Brahmachari Shikidwaja' in reference to his state

> at one specific point of his purana, it might not be appropriate to

> seclude one state(ment) out of his entire purana to say he is a

> Brahmachari in totality because that makes his marriages as invalid,

> and they are also from the same purana. Also it doesn't sound

> appropriate that from state to state or region to region, people

> should feel differently about the same gods, this would only cause

> lack of faith in due course. Infact, in Tamil, there is a saying

> calling Muruga as the 'Kankanda Deyvam of Kali yuga' meaning 'the

> ideal deity of Kaliyuga' and there are various praises along with

> calling him as 'Valli, Deyvanai Manaalan' meaning the husband of

> Valli and Devayani, etc. Even in Bhagwad Gita, Krishna when he talks

> about his vibhootis, he says, 'I'm Skanda among army martials' the

> same way as he says "I'm Prahlada among the asuras'. This neither

> means that Prahlada has asuric characters and the same way, this does

> not mean Muruga is only a Rajasic deity (Army), since if they were,

> Sri Krishna would not say they are himself. Where I hail from, Muruga

> is worshipped for everything, there are various famous temples (his

> Arupadai temples meaning the 6 temples that carry the importance of

> his 6 faces) and he is the best destroyer of evils, a protector and a

> full-fledged god who can be worshipped for any purpose by anyone,

> anytime.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Jayashree

>

[Guest guest]

This might be of some help.

 

www.kaumaram.com

 

-Siva.

 

vedic astrology, "schinnas" <schinnas> wrote:

> Hi all,

>

> Disclaimer:

> What I have written below is based on my limited understanding at this

> time. Take it for what it is worth.

> .....

>

> Hinduism is a six-fold religion - all six traditions arise out of the

same

> source (Vedas) and end in the same infinite.

>

> Adi Sankaracharya had formalized the then bhakthi tradition into 6 types.

> They are (in no particular order)

>

> 1. Saivam (Lord Siva as the Supreme God)

> This is one of the most popular traditions all over India

> 2. Vaishnavam (Lord Vishnu as the Supreme God)

> This is another most popular traditions all over India

> 3. Kaumaram (Lord Muruga / Subramaniya as the Supreme God)

> This is still practised by some in south India (esp. Tamil Nadu)

> 4. Ganapathyam (Lord Ganapathy as the Supreme God)

> I would guess there are some ashrams that still practise it

> 5. Saktham (Sakthi / Ambhikai as the Supreme God)

> There exist followers in this tradition

> 6. Sowram (Worship of Sun as the Supreme God)

> Dont know whether this is still alive, but is thought to be popular

> during some time in the past.

>

> Here Supreme God is used in the sense of one granting Moksha. Each school

> has puranas that glorify its Supreme God and refer to others as non

Moksha

> giving demi-Gods. So care should be taken before someone passes off a

> comment saying "only Vishnu can grant Moksha; Skanda is just a demi-God

> with rajasic qualities". If you read Skanda purana, supremacy of Murugan

is

> extolled over that of Vishnu. For the realized, Vishnu, Murugan, Siva,

etc

> are just different names of the same Brahman.

>

> Later somehow Kaumaram seems to have adapted Saivam due to its

traditional

> close links. So in panchayathana poojai, only Ganapathy, Siva, Vishnu,

> Sakthi and Surya are worshipped. Some learned person in Kaumaram & Saivam

> can perhaps give more insight into why Skanda/Murugan worship is not in

> panchayathana poojai.

>

> Many persons of God-realization, including but not limited to, Late. Sri.

> Chandrasekara Saraswathi are of the opinion that one should choose a

deity

> for which one has a natural affinity as one's Ishta devatha. That seems

to

> be more practical approach than finding an Ishta devata through

horoscope.

>

> For example, if one has a natural affinity towards Lord Shiva from

> childhood, he should be his/her Ishta even if horoscope shows Shakthi or

> Gowri as the ishta. Go by instinct from your deep self. Love for God

should

> come naturally. We cannot tabulate love for a deity using formulas and

> expect it to work in practise.

>

> regards,

> -Siva.

>

> vedic astrology, "Jayashree" <jayashree_ravi@m...>

> wrote:

> > Dear Saaji, Vinay,

> >

> > Lord Muruga's marriage to Valli is very famous down South. Maybe he

> > was referred to as 'Brahmachari Shikidwaja' in reference to his state

> > at one specific point of his purana, it might not be appropriate to

> > seclude one state(ment) out of his entire purana to say he is a

> > Brahmachari in totality because that makes his marriages as invalid,

> > and they are also from the same purana. Also it doesn't sound

> > appropriate that from state to state or region to region, people

> > should feel differently about the same gods, this would only cause

> > lack of faith in due course. Infact, in Tamil, there is a saying

> > calling Muruga as the 'Kankanda Deyvam of Kali yuga' meaning 'the

> > ideal deity of Kaliyuga' and there are various praises along with

> > calling him as 'Valli, Deyvanai Manaalan' meaning the husband of

> > Valli and Devayani, etc. Even in Bhagwad Gita, Krishna when he talks

> > about his vibhootis, he says, 'I'm Skanda among army martials' the

> > same way as he says "I'm Prahlada among the asuras'. This neither

> > means that Prahlada has asuric characters and the same way, this does

> > not mean Muruga is only a Rajasic deity (Army), since if they were,

> > Sri Krishna would not say they are himself. Where I hail from, Muruga

> > is worshipped for everything, there are various famous temples (his

> > Arupadai temples meaning the 6 temples that carry the importance of

> > his 6 faces) and he is the best destroyer of evils, a protector and a

> > full-fledged god who can be worshipped for any purpose by anyone,

> > anytime.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Jayashree

> >

[Guest guest]

||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

 

Shri Ramdasji,

Namastubhyam Jyotishaachaaryaay |

 

Many many thanks on posting your views !!

I just want to add few things to the discussion. To choose the Diety one should

consider Stithi, Desha, Kaal along with the purpose!!

I think Diety may remain same in various cases but Dieties Mantra will be

different for every individual depends on the purpose !

And that purpose can be checked by which Devta it is in chart like Ishta, Guru

or Protector!! Accordingly mantras and Bijas will be set.

 

Raghuvir Smaran!!

 

 

-

Ramadas Rao

patwardhanvinay

Cc: vedic astrology

Tuesday, May 18, 2004 12:23 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re:--Re:Ishta-Devta for Mars and a Story from Uddhava Gita

` nmae naray[ay,

om namo näräyaëäya|

Dear Vinay,

Excellent.

With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.patwardhanvinay <patwardhanvinay (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

 

Dear Saajiji,Shubhangiji,

 

I go through your reply to Shubhangiji and your point is also very clear!! You

have given the reference of Skanda Purana which is also very true!! But being

Maharashtrian I should told you about our tradition!

In Maharadhtra, women are not allowded to do the Darshana of Kartikeya except

Kartik Purnima (When Krittika Star is there) !! So I think as we live in India,

in every state or even in districts we may have diff. traditions to follow!! So

I think every one should follow his own tradtion as

" Swadharme Nidhanam Shreya Pardharmo Bhayavah"

Also in Pyagnyavivardhan stotra which is recommended for students of any stream

even for Jyotishas(REF: -Skanda Purana ) Shri Kartikeya is termed as "

Brahmachari ShikhiDwaja" in Second Sloka!! So what is Brahmachari?

So what I mean to say is if everyone follows his/her own tradition it will be

better !! Because Sthala,Kaala,Sthithi will change for every one every time!!

Like Sarbaniji says Shri Dattatreya Tantra is worst used in Black magic!! As

She is more knowledgeble and I'm unaware in Tantras, the only part Vedha Diksha

is known openly But in Maharashtra many are considering Devi's utilisation is

worst in Tantra for Black Magic & Shri Dattatreya is the most pious and He's

above all as He includes not only Vishnu but Brahma & Rudra also!! ( There are

various forms of Shri Dattatreya Ekmukhi, Trimukhi , Satguru of all Gurus, etc)

Also in Maharashtra there is Shakti Pitha of Renuka Or Ekvira at Mahur and

exactly oposite to Shri Datta Aashrama !! And consider that Shri Parshurama get

the Tripura Rahasya from Shri Dattatreya & destroy the Kshatriyas for 21times!

He's requested by Mata to do agni samskara of Jamadagni who is consider as

Shiva!! So every one will have his opinion as per the tradition he is brought

up!!

So ultimately every one is having his different traditions and on remedial part

or fixing diety is not so easy if we consider tradition also!! Now coming to

your part on fixing diety first of all we should consider the Gunas in every

diety!! Like Shri Narsimha is ugra devata, Skanda is Rajasik Devata as consider

as Devsenapathi and Hanumanji is Das or total surrender so most Satwik!! So I

think with different dieties (Like Ishta,Phalan,Guru,Dharma etc. ) we are

having different Guna associated so Considering this part one should select

appropriate Diety!! And this will interprete as per tradition!

So keep Your Viveka to find Diety !! All the best to all of you & may get bless

from your beloved dieties!!

And Lastly I 'll like to quote which is the ultimate every has to achieve in his

births or series of birth is :--

 

" Na Punyam Na Paapam, Na Saukhyam Na Dukham

Na Mantro Na Tirtham, Na Veda Na Yagnya

Aham Bhojanam Naiva Bhojyam Na Bhoktaa

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om namo näräyaëäya|

Dear Vinay,

I agree with you regarding your further explanation on the matter.

With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.patwardhanvinay <patwardhanvinay (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

 

Shri Ramdasji,

Namastubhyam Jyotishaachaaryaay |

 

Many many thanks on posting your views !!

I just want to add few things to the discussion. To choose the Diety one should

consider Stithi, Desha, Kaal along with the purpose!!

I think Diety may remain same in various cases but Dieties Mantra will be

different for every individual depends on the purpose !

And that purpose can be checked by which Devta it is in chart like Ishta, Guru

or Protector!! Accordingly mantras and Bijas will be set.

 

Raghuvir Smaran!!

 

 

-

Ramadas Rao

patwardhanvinay

Cc: vedic astrology

Tuesday, May 18, 2004 12:23 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re:--Re:Ishta-Devta for Mars and a Story from Uddhava Gita

` nmae naray[ay,

om namo näräyaëäya|

Dear Vinay,

Excellent.

With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.patwardhanvinay <patwardhanvinay (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

 

Dear Saajiji,Shubhangiji,

 

I go through your reply to Shubhangiji and your point is also very clear!! You

have given the reference of Skanda Purana which is also very true!! But being

Maharashtrian I should told you about our tradition!

In Maharadhtra, women are not allowded to do the Darshana of Kartikeya except

Kartik Purnima (When Krittika Star is there) !! So I think as we live in India,

in every state or even in districts we may have diff. traditions to follow!! So

I think every one should follow his own tradtion as

" Swadharme Nidhanam Shreya Pardharmo Bhayavah"

Also in Pyagnyavivardhan stotra which is recommended for students of any stream

even for Jyotishas(REF: -Skanda Purana ) Shri Kartikeya is termed as "

Brahmachari ShikhiDwaja" in Second Sloka!! So what is Brahmachari?

So what I mean to say is if everyone follows his/her own tradition it will be

better !! Because Sthala,Kaala,Sthithi will change for every one every time!!

Like Sarbaniji says Shri Dattatreya Tantra is worst used in Black magic!! As

She is more knowledgeble and I'm unaware in Tantras, the only part Vedha Diksha

is known openly But in Maharashtra many are considering Devi's utilisation is

worst in Tantra for Black Magic & Shri Dattatreya is the most pious and He's

above all as He includes not only Vishnu but Brahma & Rudra also!! ( There are

various forms of Shri Dattatreya Ekmukhi, Trimukhi , Satguru of all Gurus, etc)

Also in Maharashtra there is Shakti Pitha of Renuka Or Ekvira at Mahur and

exactly oposite to Shri Datta Aashrama !! And consider that Shri Parshurama get

the Tripura Rahasya from Shri Dattatreya & destroy the Kshatriyas for 21times!

He's requested by Mata to do agni samskara of Jamadagni who

is consider as Shiva!! So every one will have his opinion as per the tradition he is brought up!!

So ultimately every one is having his different traditions and on remedial part

or fixing diety is not so easy if we consider tradition also!! Now coming to

your part on fixing diety first of all we should consider the Gunas in every

diety!! Like Shri Narsimha is ugra devata, Skanda is Rajasik Devata as consider

as Devsenapathi and Hanumanji is Das or total surrender so most Satwik!! So I

think with different dieties (Like Ishta,Phalan,Guru,Dharma etc. ) we are

having different Guna associated so Considering this part one should select

appropriate Diety!! And this will interprete as per tradition!

So keep Your Viveka to find Diety !! All the best to all of you & may get bless

from your beloved dieties!!

And Lastly I 'll like to quote which is the ultimate every has to achieve in his

births or series of birth is :--

 

" Na Punyam Na Paapam, Na Saukhyam Na Dukham

Na Mantro Na Tirtham, Na Veda Na Yagnya

Aham Bhojanam Naiva Bhojyam Na Bhoktaa

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Hi Siva,

 

We have been fortunate to speak of the glory of Lord Muruga

yesterday, it was Amavasya, Tuesday and Krittika nakshatra. I found

the following link to speak additionally of his glory, which I post

since it will be useful for others too.

 

http://www.kytemple.org/skanda.html

 

It shows how Lord Muruga is one with the supreme being Sri Krishna.

 

Best wishes,

 

Jayashree

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "schinnas" <schinnas>

wrote:

> This might be of some help.

>

> www.kaumaram.com

>

> -Siva.

>

> vedic astrology, "schinnas" <schinnas>

wrote:

> > Hi all,

> >

> > Disclaimer:

> > What I have written below is based on my limited understanding

at this

> > time. Take it for what it is worth.

> > .....

> >

> > Hinduism is a six-fold religion - all six traditions arise out of

the

> same

> > source (Vedas) and end in the same infinite.

> >

> > Adi Sankaracharya had formalized the then bhakthi tradition into

6 types.

> > They are (in no particular order)

> >

> > 1. Saivam (Lord Siva as the Supreme God)

> > This is one of the most popular traditions all over India

> > 2. Vaishnavam (Lord Vishnu as the Supreme God)

> > This is another most popular traditions all over India

> > 3. Kaumaram (Lord Muruga / Subramaniya as the Supreme God)

> > This is still practised by some in south India (esp. Tamil

Nadu)

> > 4. Ganapathyam (Lord Ganapathy as the Supreme God)

> > I would guess there are some ashrams that still practise it

> > 5. Saktham (Sakthi / Ambhikai as the Supreme God)

> > There exist followers in this tradition

> > 6. Sowram (Worship of Sun as the Supreme God)

> > Dont know whether this is still alive, but is thought to be

popular

> > during some time in the past.

> >

> > Here Supreme God is used in the sense of one granting Moksha.

Each school

> > has puranas that glorify its Supreme God and refer to others as

non

> Moksha

> > giving demi-Gods. So care should be taken before someone passes

off a

> > comment saying "only Vishnu can grant Moksha; Skanda is just a

demi-God

> > with rajasic qualities". If you read Skanda purana, supremacy of

Murugan

> is

> > extolled over that of Vishnu. For the realized, Vishnu, Murugan,

Siva,

> etc

> > are just different names of the same Brahman.

> >

> > Later somehow Kaumaram seems to have adapted Saivam due to its

> traditional

> > close links. So in panchayathana poojai, only Ganapathy, Siva,

Vishnu,

> > Sakthi and Surya are worshipped. Some learned person in Kaumaram

& Saivam

> > can perhaps give more insight into why Skanda/Murugan worship is

not in

> > panchayathana poojai.

> >

> > Many persons of God-realization, including but not limited to,

Late. Sri.

> > Chandrasekara Saraswathi are of the opinion that one should

choose a

> deity

> > for which one has a natural affinity as one's Ishta devatha. That

seems

> to

> > be more practical approach than finding an Ishta devata through

> horoscope.

> >

> > For example, if one has a natural affinity towards Lord Shiva

from

> > childhood, he should be his/her Ishta even if horoscope shows

Shakthi or

> > Gowri as the ishta. Go by instinct from your deep self. Love for

God

> should

> > come naturally. We cannot tabulate love for a deity using

formulas and

> > expect it to work in practise.

> >

> > regards,

> > -Siva.

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Jayashree"

<jayashree_ravi@m...>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Saaji, Vinay,

> > >

> > > Lord Muruga's marriage to Valli is very famous down South.

Maybe he

> > > was referred to as 'Brahmachari Shikidwaja' in reference to his

state

> > > at one specific point of his purana, it might not be

appropriate to

> > > seclude one state(ment) out of his entire purana to say he is a

> > > Brahmachari in totality because that makes his marriages as

invalid,

> > > and they are also from the same purana. Also it doesn't sound

> > > appropriate that from state to state or region to region,

people

> > > should feel differently about the same gods, this would only

cause

> > > lack of faith in due course. Infact, in Tamil, there is a

saying

> > > calling Muruga as the 'Kankanda Deyvam of Kali yuga'

meaning 'the

> > > ideal deity of Kaliyuga' and there are various praises along

with

> > > calling him as 'Valli, Deyvanai Manaalan' meaning the husband

of

> > > Valli and Devayani, etc. Even in Bhagwad Gita, Krishna when he

talks

> > > about his vibhootis, he says, 'I'm Skanda among army martials'

the

> > > same way as he says "I'm Prahlada among the asuras'. This

neither

> > > means that Prahlada has asuric characters and the same way,

this does

> > > not mean Muruga is only a Rajasic deity (Army), since if they

were,

> > > Sri Krishna would not say they are himself. Where I hail from,

Muruga

> > > is worshipped for everything, there are various famous temples

(his

> > > Arupadai temples meaning the 6 temples that carry the

importance of

> > > his 6 faces) and he is the best destroyer of evils, a protector

and a

> > > full-fledged god who can be worshipped for any purpose by

anyone,

> > > anytime.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > Jayashree

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Vinay and others,

 

I could not respond earlier as my internet connection earlier...but I think all

of you are missing a subtle point I have been trying to make. Or perhaps

everyone do not read mails properly. I don't think there is any question about

the fact that Dattatreya is the highest guru...he is the amsha of Brahma,

Vishnu and Maheshwar. Hence, when people indulge in the worst tamasik practices

with the highest of gurus like Dattatreya and Dakshinamurty...then what can one

of say others. The point is, the deity is not tamasik...the method of worship

is satvik or tamasik or rajasik. I agree with your regional pluralism overview

very much...but if Skanda Purana says something, I will tend to adhere by what

it says.

 

Best regards,

 

Sarbani

patwardhanvinay [patwardhanvinay (AT) hotmail (DOT) com] Tuesday, May

18, 2004 11:46 AMvedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology]

Re:--Re:Ishta-Devta for Mars and a Story from Uddhava Gita

||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

 

Dear Saajiji,Shubhangiji,

 

I go through your reply to Shubhangiji and your point is also very clear!! You

have given the reference of Skanda Purana which is also very true!! But being

Maharashtrian I should told you about our tradition!

In Maharadhtra, women are not allowded to do the Darshana of Kartikeya except

Kartik Purnima (When Krittika Star is there) !! So I think as we live in India,

in every state or even in districts we may have diff. traditions to follow!! So

I think every one should follow his own tradtion as

" Swadharme Nidhanam Shreya Pardharmo Bhayavah"

Also in Pyagnyavivardhan stotra which is recommended for students of any stream

even for Jyotishas(REF: -Skanda Purana ) Shri Kartikeya is termed as "

Brahmachari ShikhiDwaja" in Second Sloka!! So what is Brahmachari?

So what I mean to say is if everyone follows his/her own tradition it will be

better !! Because Sthala,Kaala,Sthithi will change for every one every time!!

Like Sarbaniji says Shri Dattatreya Tantra is worst used in Black magic!! As

She is more knowledgeble and I'm unaware in Tantras, the only part Vedha Diksha

is known openly But in Maharashtra many are considering Devi's utilisation is

worst in Tantra for Black Magic & Shri Dattatreya is the most pious and He's

above all as He includes not only Vishnu but Brahma & Rudra also!! ( There are

various forms of Shri Dattatreya Ekmukhi, Trimukhi , Satguru of all Gurus, etc)

Also in Maharashtra there is Shakti Pitha of Renuka Or Ekvira at Mahur and

exactly oposite to Shri Datta Aashrama !! And consider that Shri Parshurama get

the Tripura Rahasya from Shri Dattatreya & destroy the Kshatriyas for 21times!

He's requested by Mata to do agni samskara of Jamadagni who is consider as

Shiva!! So every one will have his opinion as per the tradition he is brought

up!!

So ultimately every one is having his different traditions and on remedial part

or fixing diety is not so easy if we consider tradition also!! Now coming to

your part on fixing diety first of all we should consider the Gunas in every

diety!! Like Shri Narsimha is ugra devata, Skanda is Rajasik Devata as consider

as Devsenapathi and Hanumanji is Das or total surrender so most Satwik!! So I

think with different dieties (Like Ishta,Phalan,Guru,Dharma etc. ) we are

having different Guna associated so Considering this part one should select

appropriate Diety!! And this will interprete as per tradition!

So keep Your Viveka to find Diety !! All the best to all of you & may get bless

from your beloved dieties!!

And Lastly I 'll like to quote which is the ultimate every has to achieve in his

births or series of birth is :--

 

" Na Punyam Na Paapam, Na Saukhyam Na Dukham

Na Mantro Na Tirtham, Na Veda Na Yagnya

Aham Bhojanam Naiva Bhojyam Na Bhoktaa

ChidanadaRupah Shivo-ham Shivo-ham"Archives:

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Dear Jayashree,

Here is another good link to information (Much more detailed) about Lord

Subramanyam.

http://arulmuruga.org/index.htm

Chandrashekhar.

 

Jayashree wrote:

 

> Hi Siva,

>

> We have been fortunate to speak of the glory of Lord Muruga

> yesterday, it was Amavasya, Tuesday and Krittika nakshatra. I found

> the following link to speak additionally of his glory, which I post

> since it will be useful for others too.

>

> http://www.kytemple.org/skanda.html

>

> It shows how Lord Muruga is one with the supreme being Sri Krishna.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Jayashree

>

>

>

> vedic astrology, "schinnas" <schinnas>

> wrote:

> > This might be of some help.

> >

> > www.kaumaram.com

> >

> > -Siva.

> >

> > vedic astrology, "schinnas" <schinnas>

> wrote:

> > > Hi all,

> > >

> > > Disclaimer:

> > > What I have written below is based on my limited understanding

> at this

> > > time. Take it for what it is worth.

> > > .....

> > >

> > > Hinduism is a six-fold religion - all six traditions arise out of

> the

> > same

> > > source (Vedas) and end in the same infinite.

> > >

> > > Adi Sankaracharya had formalized the then bhakthi tradition into

> 6 types.

> > > They are (in no particular order)

> > >

> > > 1. Saivam (Lord Siva as the Supreme God)

> > > This is one of the most popular traditions all over India

> > > 2. Vaishnavam (Lord Vishnu as the Supreme God)

> > > This is another most popular traditions all over India

> > > 3. Kaumaram (Lord Muruga / Subramaniya as the Supreme God)

> > > This is still practised by some in south India (esp. Tamil

> Nadu)

> > > 4. Ganapathyam (Lord Ganapathy as the Supreme God)

> > > I would guess there are some ashrams that still practise it

> > > 5. Saktham (Sakthi / Ambhikai as the Supreme God)

> > > There exist followers in this tradition

> > > 6. Sowram (Worship of Sun as the Supreme God)

> > > Dont know whether this is still alive, but is thought to be

> popular

> > > during some time in the past.

> > >

> > > Here Supreme God is used in the sense of one granting Moksha.

> Each school

> > > has puranas that glorify its Supreme God and refer to others as

> non

> > Moksha

> > > giving demi-Gods. So care should be taken before someone passes

> off a

> > > comment saying "only Vishnu can grant Moksha; Skanda is just a

> demi-God

> > > with rajasic qualities". If you read Skanda purana, supremacy of

> Murugan

> > is

> > > extolled over that of Vishnu. For the realized, Vishnu, Murugan,

> Siva,

> > etc

> > > are just different names of the same Brahman.

> > >

> > > Later somehow Kaumaram seems to have adapted Saivam due to its

> > traditional

> > > close links. So in panchayathana poojai, only Ganapathy, Siva,

> Vishnu,

> > > Sakthi and Surya are worshipped. Some learned person in Kaumaram

> & Saivam

> > > can perhaps give more insight into why Skanda/Murugan worship is

> not in

> > > panchayathana poojai.

> > >

> > > Many persons of God-realization, including but not limited to,

> Late. Sri.

> > > Chandrasekara Saraswathi are of the opinion that one should

> choose a

> > deity

> > > for which one has a natural affinity as one's Ishta devatha. That

> seems

> > to

> > > be more practical approach than finding an Ishta devata through

> > horoscope.

> > >

> > > For example, if one has a natural affinity towards Lord Shiva

> from

> > > childhood, he should be his/her Ishta even if horoscope shows

> Shakthi or

> > > Gowri as the ishta. Go by instinct from your deep self. Love for

> God

> > should

> > > come naturally. We cannot tabulate love for a deity using

> formulas and

> > > expect it to work in practise.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > -Siva.

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "Jayashree"

> <jayashree_ravi@m...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Dear Saaji, Vinay,

> > > >

> > > > Lord Muruga's marriage to Valli is very famous down South.

> Maybe he

> > > > was referred to as 'Brahmachari Shikidwaja' in reference to his

> state

> > > > at one specific point of his purana, it might not be

> appropriate to

> > > > seclude one state(ment) out of his entire purana to say he is a

> > > > Brahmachari in totality because that makes his marriages as

> invalid,

> > > > and they are also from the same purana. Also it doesn't sound

> > > > appropriate that from state to state or region to region,

> people

> > > > should feel differently about the same gods, this would only

> cause

> > > > lack of faith in due course. Infact, in Tamil, there is a

> saying

> > > > calling Muruga as the 'Kankanda Deyvam of Kali yuga'

> meaning 'the

> > > > ideal deity of Kaliyuga' and there are various praises along

> with

> > > > calling him as 'Valli, Deyvanai Manaalan' meaning the husband

> of

> > > > Valli and Devayani, etc. Even in Bhagwad Gita, Krishna when he

> talks

> > > > about his vibhootis, he says, 'I'm Skanda among army martials'

> the

> > > > same way as he says "I'm Prahlada among the asuras'. This

> neither

> > > > means that Prahlada has asuric characters and the same way,

> this does

> > > > not mean Muruga is only a Rajasic deity (Army), since if they

> were,

> > > > Sri Krishna would not say they are himself. Where I hail from,

> Muruga

> > > > is worshipped for everything, there are various famous temples

> (his

> > > > Arupadai temples meaning the 6 temples that carry the

> importance of

> > > > his 6 faces) and he is the best destroyer of evils, a protector

> and a

> > > > full-fledged god who can be worshipped for any purpose by

> anyone,

> > > > anytime.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > >

> > > > Jayashree

> > > >

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Shiva,

 

Whatever you are saying is known by everyone already. We are saying

something beyond: read the Rg...tad vishno paramam padam...it takes a long

while to reach that level. I realised this very late in life, being a die

hard Shiva and Devi worshipper...they are all the same...just different

forms and different paths that you assume in different times of your life...

 

Best regards,

 

Sarbani

 

 

schinnas [schinnas]

Tuesday, May 18, 2004 9:23 PM

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] Re:--Re:Ishta-Devta for Mars and a Story from

Uddhava Gita

 

Hi all,

 

Disclaimer:

What I have written below is based on my limited understanding at this

time. Take it for what it is worth.

......

 

Hinduism is a six-fold religion - all six traditions arise out of the same

source (Vedas) and end in the same infinite.

 

Adi Sankaracharya had formalized the then bhakthi tradition into 6 types.

They are (in no particular order)

 

1. Saivam (Lord Siva as the Supreme God)

This is one of the most popular traditions all over India 2. Vaishnavam

(Lord Vishnu as the Supreme God)

This is another most popular traditions all over India 3. Kaumaram

(Lord Muruga / Subramaniya as the Supreme God)

This is still practised by some in south India (esp. Tamil Nadu) 4.

Ganapathyam (Lord Ganapathy as the Supreme God)

I would guess there are some ashrams that still practise it 5. Saktham

(Sakthi / Ambhikai as the Supreme God)

There exist followers in this tradition 6. Sowram (Worship of Sun as

the Supreme God)

Dont know whether this is still alive, but is thought to be popular

during some time in the past.

 

Here Supreme God is used in the sense of one granting Moksha. Each school

has puranas that glorify its Supreme God and refer to others as non Moksha

giving demi-Gods. So care should be taken before someone passes off a

comment saying "only Vishnu can grant Moksha; Skanda is just a demi-God with

rajasic qualities". If you read Skanda purana, supremacy of Murugan is

extolled over that of Vishnu. For the realized, Vishnu, Murugan, Siva, etc

are just different names of the same Brahman.

 

Later somehow Kaumaram seems to have adapted Saivam due to its traditional

close links. So in panchayathana poojai, only Ganapathy, Siva, Vishnu,

Sakthi and Surya are worshipped. Some learned person in Kaumaram & Saivam

can perhaps give more insight into why Skanda/Murugan worship is not in

panchayathana poojai.

 

Many persons of God-realization, including but not limited to, Late. Sri.

Chandrasekara Saraswathi are of the opinion that one should choose a deity

for which one has a natural affinity as one's Ishta devatha. That seems to

be more practical approach than finding an Ishta devata through horoscope.

 

For example, if one has a natural affinity towards Lord Shiva from

childhood, he should be his/her Ishta even if horoscope shows Shakthi or

Gowri as the ishta. Go by instinct from your deep self. Love for God should

come naturally. We cannot tabulate love for a deity using formulas and

expect it to work in practise.

 

regards,

-Siva.

 

vedic astrology, "Jayashree" <jayashree_ravi@m...>

wrote:

> Dear Saaji, Vinay,

>

> Lord Muruga's marriage to Valli is very famous down South. Maybe he

> was referred to as 'Brahmachari Shikidwaja' in reference to his state

> at one specific point of his purana, it might not be appropriate to

> seclude one state(ment) out of his entire purana to say he is a

> Brahmachari in totality because that makes his marriages as invalid,

> and they are also from the same purana. Also it doesn't sound

> appropriate that from state to state or region to region, people

> should feel differently about the same gods, this would only cause

> lack of faith in due course. Infact, in Tamil, there is a saying

> calling Muruga as the 'Kankanda Deyvam of Kali yuga' meaning 'the

> ideal deity of Kaliyuga' and there are various praises along with

> calling him as 'Valli, Deyvanai Manaalan' meaning the husband of Valli

> and Devayani, etc. Even in Bhagwad Gita, Krishna when he talks about

> his vibhootis, he says, 'I'm Skanda among army martials' the same way

> as he says "I'm Prahlada among the asuras'. This neither means that

> Prahlada has asuric characters and the same way, this does not mean

> Muruga is only a Rajasic deity (Army), since if they were, Sri Krishna

> would not say they are himself. Where I hail from, Muruga is

> worshipped for everything, there are various famous temples (his

> Arupadai temples meaning the 6 temples that carry the importance of

> his 6 faces) and he is the best destroyer of evils, a protector and a

> full-fledged god who can be worshipped for any purpose by anyone,

> anytime.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Jayashree

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Vinay and others,

 

I could not respond earlier as my internet connection earlier...but I think all

of you are missing a subtle point I have been trying to make. Or perhaps

everyone do not read mails properly. I don't think there is any question about

the fact that Dattatreya is the highest guru...he is the amsha of Brahma,

Vishnu and Maheshwar. Hence, when people indulge in the worst tamasik practices

with the highest of gurus like Dattatreya and Dakshinamurty...then what can one

of say others. The point is, the deity is not tamasik...the method of worship

is satvik or tamasik or rajasik. I agree with your regional pluralism overview

very much...but if Skanda Purana says something, I will tend to adhere by what

it says.

 

Best regards,

 

Sarbani

patwardhanvinay [patwardhanvinay (AT) hotmail (DOT) com] Tuesday, May

18, 2004 11:46 AMvedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology]

Re:--Re:Ishta-Devta for Mars and a Story from Uddhava Gita

||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

 

Dear Saajiji,Shubhangiji,

 

I go through your reply to Shubhangiji and your point is also very clear!! You

have given the reference of Skanda Purana which is also very true!! But being

Maharashtrian I should told you about our tradition!

In Maharadhtra, women are not allowded to do the Darshana of Kartikeya except

Kartik Purnima (When Krittika Star is there) !! So I think as we live in India,

in every state or even in districts we may have diff. traditions to follow!! So

I think every one should follow his own tradtion as

" Swadharme Nidhanam Shreya Pardharmo Bhayavah"

Also in Pyagnyavivardhan stotra which is recommended for students of any stream

even for Jyotishas(REF: -Skanda Purana ) Shri Kartikeya is termed as "

Brahmachari ShikhiDwaja" in Second Sloka!! So what is Brahmachari?

So what I mean to say is if everyone follows his/her own tradition it will be

better !! Because Sthala,Kaala,Sthithi will change for every one every time!!

Like Sarbaniji says Shri Dattatreya Tantra is worst used in Black magic!! As

She is more knowledgeble and I'm unaware in Tantras, the only part Vedha Diksha

is known openly But in Maharashtra many are considering Devi's utilisation is

worst in Tantra for Black Magic & Shri Dattatreya is the most pious and He's

above all as He includes not only Vishnu but Brahma & Rudra also!! ( There are

various forms of Shri Dattatreya Ekmukhi, Trimukhi , Satguru of all Gurus, etc)

Also in Maharashtra there is Shakti Pitha of Renuka Or Ekvira at Mahur and

exactly oposite to Shri Datta Aashrama !! And consider that Shri Parshurama get

the Tripura Rahasya from Shri Dattatreya & destroy the Kshatriyas for 21times!

He's requested by Mata to do agni samskara of Jamadagni who is consider as

Shiva!! So every one will have his opinion as per the tradition he is brought

up!!

So ultimately every one is having his different traditions and on remedial part

or fixing diety is not so easy if we consider tradition also!! Now coming to

your part on fixing diety first of all we should consider the Gunas in every

diety!! Like Shri Narsimha is ugra devata, Skanda is Rajasik Devata as consider

as Devsenapathi and Hanumanji is Das or total surrender so most Satwik!! So I

think with different dieties (Like Ishta,Phalan,Guru,Dharma etc. ) we are

having different Guna associated so Considering this part one should select

appropriate Diety!! And this will interprete as per tradition!

So keep Your Viveka to find Diety !! All the best to all of you & may get bless

from your beloved dieties!!

And Lastly I 'll like to quote which is the ultimate every has to achieve in his

births or series of birth is :--

 

" Na Punyam Na Paapam, Na Saukhyam Na Dukham

Na Mantro Na Tirtham, Na Veda Na Yagnya

Aham Bhojanam Naiva Bhojyam Na Bhoktaa

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