Guest guest Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold">Dear Shri PVR, font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold">Thanks for ur compassionate and wise post re the outlook towards astrology and behavior. It goes down as a standard for young ones. Very happy to know that India will do well in coming times. font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold"> font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold">Sonia’s chart font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold">Time given: 21.40 font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold">Time by SR: 21.30 font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold">Rectified time: 21.38 font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold"> font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold">I do not know if u saw my previous posts re a suggestion of consideration of change of time from the given 21.40 or 21.30 to font-family:Garamond;color:#FF6600;font-weight:bold">21.25 bold"> font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold">The basis of that was to match her FOREIGN husband. U have clearly explained the rise of her husband from her Nav but how do we see font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold"> tab-stops:list .5in"> 12.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold">a) font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold">A bold">Foreign husband font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold"> both from Rasi & Nav ( if 12.25 time is taken, 7th lord in D9 goes to 12th house) tab-stops:list .5in"> 12.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold">b) font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold">A bold">violent death of her husband bold"> as CS kindly pointed out it cant be seen from her chart font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold"> font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold">The above two are striking events of her life, how do we see from her chart font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold"> tab-stops:list .5in"> 12.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold">c) font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold">If we take 12.38 time, her father expired in 1988, Sat was in Jup during the whole of 1988, Sat was retro in Sagi. If we apply the principles stated by u in previous letters, when Sat transits in D12 the 9th house or 9th lord death of father can happen. With the time of 12.38, the 9th house becomes Cp, Sat is 12th to it in 1988. Can this 12th position be applied or are we stretching ur research on timing Fathers death. 12.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold"> 12.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold">Whereas if we take 12.25 time, the D12 9th house becomes Sagi and Sat is right there during the whole of 1988, thereby fulfilling the criteria given by your kind self for timing Fathers death thro D12. 12.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold"> 12.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold">Can u kindly explain the confusion of which time to take so that this event is matched? font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold"> font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold"> tab-stops:list .5in"> 12.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold">d) font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold">5th house in Rasi doesn’t match with what we know if I understood correctly – Chandrashekharji had raised this issue in previous post. 12.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold"> tab-stops:list .5in"> 12.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold">e) font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold">This is the first time I am using the Saptamsha principles, kindly guide. For a female native look at the 9th house lord, which is Aq and lord is Rahu as it is with more planets placed in Pisces (Pi is given for males) but it has exalted Ven, exaltation is also given for males born. Jup and Rahu are considered male planets, so I am not sure how come Priyanka is the first child, although Ven being feminine exaltation can give Female, with her hairstyle etc she looks a bit male, so has these male planets contributed to that or is this D7 chart right. Pls guide 12.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold"> 12.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold">The 2nd child would be looked from the 7th house, its lord Jup (male) is in Pi (male) but with exalted Ven, so it is Rahul, male with soft features. 12.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold"> 12.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold">This is confusing can I be guided here on the D7, also Priyanka’s Gemini Moon is NOT in Kendra to Sonia’s Simha Saptamsa Moon 12.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold"> 12.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold"> 12.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold"> color:#FF6600;font-weight:bold">f) The current Mercury dasa is basically the dasa of Jyeshtha nakshatra (13th dasa from the first dasa - 13th star from Moon's star). Please note that AK Sun is in a trine from lagna. He is in the 5th house of power (though eclipsed by Ketu). Both Sun and Ketu are in Jyeshtha star. They give their results in Jyeshtha dasa, i.e. current Mercury dasa 12.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold">The above was given in ur analysis, the AK Sun Sun has been used to pin point this current dasa, if I understood it rightly. The point is PVR, here there is charakaraka replacement AK Sun is being replaced by Amk Ven, after the replaement is over, Jup would become the new Amk (natural) as u know. 12.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold">Query: Why are we taking Sun as AK, when I am sure by now the new AK Ven would have replaced the Sun. Although I am not to sure of how to time AK replacement but considering natural ages the AK replacement should have happened maybe. Although I wait for SRs book on AK. font-family:Garamond;color:#FF6600;font-weight:bold">Shouldn’t we take Ven as the AK for the new dasa tech that u have stated. 12.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold"> 12.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold">I have observed in some limited charts that whenever bold">AK font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold"> replacement happens or many color:#FF6600;font-weight:bold">charakaraka replacements happens then such people go thro tremendous change, bold"> a bad person can become a good person, a rude one can become compassionate and the change is unimaginable – is this true, kindly confirm this ? 12.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold"> 12.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold">I know u have short time at ur disposal as u are busy, but it would be nice if u can clarify our doubts. 12.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold"> 12.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold">May God give you lot of Fame 12.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold"> 12.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold">Best wishes, 12.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold"> 12.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold">Sunil John 12.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold">P.S: Mr. Deepak Nair, as asked by you the subject heading has been changed, hope this is convenient for all. font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold"> font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold"> -----Original Message----- Narasimha P.V.R. Rao [pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net] Wednesday, May 19, 2004 10:20 AM To: vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Miscellaneous Points to Sunil, Imran and Others * * * > Hence i asked if u all can see some progress of India in the coming > years from India's chart. I made a prediction in 2001 on this list and on my website that 2002-2011 will be excellent for India. This prediction was made based on India's independence chart and its Narayana dasa (a rasi dasa). Libra dasa containing Jupiter with Viparita Raja Yoga runs then. mso-color-alt:windowtext"> So India will continue to do well and will slowly rise in stature until 2011. But, within this 9 year dasa, Feb-Nov 2004 is relatively not so good. Taurus antardasa in Libra dasa runs then. Taurus is 8th from Libra. While dasa sign contains Jupiter, antardasa sign contains Rahu. Even in dasa pravesha chakra, Taurus contains Rahu in the 12th house. So 2004 Feb 11 to 2004 Nov 14 is a relatively low period. Rahu undoes Jupiter's work. But next antardasa of Aries will again be good. windowtext"> * * * > I hope someone makes a note of the swearing in ceremony of whichever > Govt comes to power and then senior members make some predictions. I will give my analysis of the swearing-in charts when I get time. Usually these charts are much much more reliable than the birth charts. It was on the basis of Vajpayee's original swearing-in chart that I had predicted that India would have some "confrontation" with another country after May 19, 1999 (Kargil war started on May 25, 1999). It was not on the basis of Bush's chart, but on the basis of his swearing-in chart, that I had predicted that "there may be some serious setbacks or national tragedies" and that "though Bush asserted at the time of campaign that US troop deployment abroad should be reduced and suggested that US should be more "humble", Mars in 7th suggests that US will continue to play an active military role in international affairs and intervene in the affairs of other nations." mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Political leaders, especially in India, do circulate wrong charts. They can hide their real birthdata, but they cannot hide swearing-in charts! * * * Someone suggested Libra lagna for Vajpayee to explain the loss. Honestly, I don't think that's needed. In a lecture on Moola dasa at Edison last year, Pt. Sanjay Rath did mention that Vajpayee was changing Moola dasa at the end of 2003 and that he would soon go. mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Even I mentioned before elections that Vajpayee would soon be replaced by another leader. I was clearly aware of the Moola dasa change. Moola dasas taught by Varahamihira and Kalyana Verma are aligned with phases in life. Vajpayee ran Sun's Moola dasa during 1999-2003. Sun is in Komala shashtyamsa and shows good karma. In rasi, he is the 10th lord. In D-10, he is the 10th lord in 5th. So he gave political power. But Rahu is in 8th in rasi and in 12th in D-10. His Moola dasa runs from Dec 2003 to Dec 2012. windowtext"> I was expecting Vajpayee to be replaced. But I was expecting him to be replaced by a BJP leader and not by a Congress leader. * * * Mohd Imran sent a nice mail on the bias of astrologers etc. In my view, bias is only one problem. There are other problems too, in political astrology: (1) Wrong birthdata is circulated to politicians intentionally. Because political predictions are so 'thrilling', many astrologers are so eager to make them (I am not pointing fingers at anyone - this criticism applies to me as well). They often readily accept wrong data. Wrong data leads to random predictions. Birthdata of political parties is questionable. Political parties metamorphose into other entities and vice versa. For example, should we take the Lok Sangh chart or BJP chart or NDA chart? Party charts are questionable. Charts of leaders are useful, but not always available accurately. (2) Of course, bias is an issue too. Bias plays a role at different levels. When we rectify a politician's chart, we rectify based on our understanding of the politician. Our bias impacts our rectification. Secondly, our predictions can also be colored by what we want to happen, especially when it is a close call. In cases where the indications are crystal clear, we can overcome our bias. But, in cases where there are mixed indications and a fine judgment needs to be made, it is easy to be swayed by the personal bias. (3) The simple fact that our knowledge is imperfect is a factor too. But, if our success rate is 70% overall, it becomes 50% in political predictions, for the above reasons. mso-color-alt:windowtext"> * * * In the Sonia Gandhi chart being discussed, I noticed that 7th lord Saturn is in lagna. In such cases, Dwisaptati sama dasa applies according to Parasara. From what I am taught, this condition shows certain strong desires. Dwisaptati sama dasa helps in timing the fulfillment of the desires. Moon shows desires. Moon's dispositor Mercury is in 5th. So Dwisaptati sama dasa helps in timing events related to power in this case. mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Dwi-saptati sama dasa (applicable if lagna lord is in 7th or 7th lord is in lagna): Maha Dasas: Sat: 1944-10-22 (16:31:31) - 1953-10-22 (23:55:14) Rah: 1953-10-22 (23:55:14) - 1962-10-23 (7:19:24) Sun: 1962-10-23 (7:19:24) - 1971-10-23 (14:45:15) Moon: 1971-10-23 (14:45:15) - 1980-10-22 (22:00:54) Mars: 1980-10-22 (22:00:54) - 1989-10-23 (5:29:32) Merc: 1989-10-23 (5:29:32) - 1998-10-23 (12:46:49) Jup: 1998-10-23 (12:46:49) - 2007-10-23 (20:12:01) Ven: 2007-10-23 (20:12:01) - 2016-10-23 (3:38:30) Dwi-saptati sama dasa (applicable if lagna lord is in 7th or 7th lord is in lagna): Jup MD: 1998-10-23 (12:46:49) - 2007-10-23 (20:12:01) Antardasas in this MD: mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Jup: 1998-10-23 (12:46:49) - 1999-12-07 (11:58:32) Ven: 1999-12-07 (11:58:32) - 2001-01-19 (22:48:37) Sat: 2001-01-19 (22:48:37) - 2002-03-05 (17:20:51) Rah: 2002-03-05 (17:20:51) - 2003-04-20 (11:18:27) Sun: 2003-04-20 (11:18:27) - 2004-06-05 (7:54:04) Moon: 2004-06-05 (7:54:04) - 2005-07-22 (17:47:07) Mars: 2005-07-22 (17:47:07) - 2006-09-07 (19:11:19) Merc: 2006-09-07 (19:11:19) - 2007-10-23 (20:12:01) In Moon dasa, she enjoyed power on account of her mother-in-law. Nearly full Moon owns lagna and is a benefic. Being in the 2nd from arudha lagna in rasi chart, he shows increased status and resources. He shows power due to mother or mother-in-law. Especially, Moon owns the 4th from UL and shows mother-in-law. Husband became India's PM in Mars-Venus antardasa. From the 7th house in navamsa, Mars is 9th lord in 9th with 5th lord and Venus is 10th lord in 10th. He shows good events in husband's career. In rasi chart also, Mars is in 8th from AL. Being a yogakaraka, Mars is a benefic for Cancer lagna. A benefic in 8th from AL gives a sudden rise. Thus, her husband suddenly became PM and she experienced the power. windowtext"> Mercury is a functional malefic in rasi and D-10 charts and not well-placed. Mercury dasa started in October 1989. If I remember correctly, it was around then that Rajiv Gandhi lost elections (Nov 1989 I think). Jupiter dasa is running now. As Jupiter is a benefic in 6th from AL, his dasa gives the image of a renunciate in the matter of power. Right now, Sun antardasa is running. Jupiter owns 5th in D-10 and Sun occupies it. Another point: Tribhagi Vimsottari dasa shows the progression of mind with time thru the 360 deg zodiac in 120 years. Vimsottari Dasa - Tribhagi variation (started from Moon): Maha Dasas: windowtext"> Rah: 1945-07-07 (16:29:50) - 1951-07-08 (5:12:45) Jup: 1951-07-08 (5:12:45) - 1956-11-07 (18:16:10) Sat: 1956-11-07 (18:16:10) - 1963-03-06 (17:04:01) Merc: 1963-03-06 (17:04:01) - 1968-11-07 (20:13:23) Ket: 1968-11-07 (20:13:23) - 1971-03-06 (18:12:31) Ven: 1971-03-06 (18:12:31) - 1977-11-08 (3:32:21) Sun: 1977-11-08 (3:32:21) - 1979-11-08 (15:55:17) Moon: 1979-11-08 (15:55:17) - 1983-03-06 (20:14:50) Mars: 1983-03-06 (20:14:50) - 1985-07-07 (22:27:35) Rah: 1985-07-07 (22:27:35) - 1991-07-08 (11:19:54) Jup: 1991-07-08 (11:19:54) - 1996-11-08 (0:32:45) Sat: 1996-11-08 (0:32:45) - 2003-03-06 (23:14:21) Merc: 2003-03-06 (23:14:21) - 2008-11-08 (2:22:01) Ket: 2008-11-08 (2:22:01) - 2011-03-07 (0:32:56) Ven: 2011-03-07 (0:32:56) - 2017-11-08 (9:40:19) Sun: 2017-11-08 (9:40:19) - 2019-11-08 (22:04:41) Moon: 2019-11-08 (22:04:41) - 2023-03-07 (2:30:04) Mars: 2023-03-07 (2:30:04) - 2025-07-08 (4:23:45) Rah: 2025-07-08 (4:23:45) - 2031-07-08 (17:19:20) Jup: 2031-07-08 (17:19:20) - 2036-11-08 (6:37:14) Sat: 2036-11-08 (6:37:14) - 2043-03-07 (5:24:38) Merc: 2043-03-07 (5:24:38) - 2048-11-08 (8:30:16) Ket: 2048-11-08 (8:30:16) - 2051-03-07 (6:44:45) Ven: 2051-03-07 (6:44:45) - 2057-11-08 (15:45:05) Sun: 2057-11-08 (15:45:05) - 2059-11-09 (4:08:06) Moon: 2059-11-09 (4:08:06) - 2063-03-07 (8:35:59) Mars: 2063-03-07 (8:35:59) - 2065-07-08 (10:23:23) The current Mercury dasa is basically the dasa of Jyeshtha nakshatra (13th dasa from the first dasa - 13th star from Moon's star). Please note that AK Sun is in a trine from lagna. He is in the 5th house of power (though eclipsed by Ketu). Both Sun and Ketu are in Jyeshtha star. They give their results in Jyeshtha dasa, i.e. current Mercury dasa. Please note that the results of yogakaraka Mars are given in the next dasa of Moola (Ketu), during Nov 2008 to March 2011. I will try to write more on Sonia Gandhi's chart later. BTW, I subtracted a little more than 2 min from the given birthtime to explain husband. windowtext"> * * * If a particular astrologer makes a correct prediction, it neither proves his/her techniques nor does it confirm the birthdata used. It is possible to make correct predictions with incorrect techniques or even incorrect birthdata. For example, I used annual TP chart to predict a viparita raja yoga and a sudden reversal from one extreme to another for Sachin Tendulkar during Dec 24, 2003-Jan 4, 2004. He made only 150 test match runs in cricket in the whole of 2003 and was at his lowest. During Jan 2-4, 2004, he made 302 runs in two innings without getting out (double the runs he made in entire 2003). Though the prediction came true spectacularly, a respected astrologer wrote on another list that the birthdata I used was wrong and that he was privy to a different accurate birthdata thjat he could not reveal. There is no strong reason to disbelieve him. So it is likely that the data I used is wrong. Bottomline: However spectacular a correct prediction is, it does not prove anything. Irrespective of successes and failures, we have keep our humility, sincerity, inquisitiveness, intellectual honesty and conviction that our knowledge will become perfect oneday - if not in this life, in another life. Good night! 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