Understanding the purpose of a native's life from previous lives

June 15, 2004

Hello Venkat:

Sanjay (Rath) is really good at D-60 analysis, I say this from first-

hand experience with Sanjay.

Address your note to Sanjay and hope he has the time to respond.

Mukund

vedic astrology, "venkatarama_sastry"

<venkatarama_sastry> wrote:

> Dear Gurus and friends,

>

> From the various bits and pieces of knowledge accumulated from this

> group and other sources, I am attempting to understand how to see

> the central purpose of someone's life from their previous births in

> their chart. Well, to be more precise, I am trying to find my own

> purpose in life :-) in various ways, with astrology being one of

> them.

>

> One angle seems to be D60, which shows the previous birth, which

> have obviously shaped this one. There has been some discussion and

> some requests on analyzing D60. Dear brother Partha, you and

Ramadas

> Ji once had this discussion on this group, I remember, but I can't

> seem to find any archives. Could you, or another learned member

> please teach us this?

>

> Another factor seems to be purva punya / paap from the 5th house.

(I

> am a little surprised that this is the 5th house, and not the 9th

or

> 4th... since one of the indications for 5th is children, and for

9th

> is father and 4th mother, wouldn't the 5th seem to indicate your

> *future* and not your *past*?). My 5th is Scorpio, with Mars in it,

> which seems a little scary :-) with all that fiery energy, however

> since I am of Cancer Lagna, this also creates a rajayoga, so it

> seems like a blessing.

>

> Yet another factor is the mysterious retrograde planets, that

> apparently show deep rooted desires from previous lifetimes. From

> what I've read, if a retrograde planet is somehow linked with

Lagna,

> AL or AK, this indicates the overriding factor that caused the

> present birth.

>

> Closely tied with this whole subject, at least for me, is the issue

> of spiritual growth, as shown in D20, since that somewhat indicates

> the future births. My thanks to Partha for his help in this area!

>

> Could someone guide me in learning this fascinating subject?

>

> Thanks,

> Venkatarama

June 15, 2004

Hare Krishna

Dear Venkatarama

First let me mention that if you or anyone are intersted in D-60 i

suggest if possible you obtain the lecture given by Sanjay on D-60,

at last years west coast conference, write to me if you would liek to

order them.

Next source for information is "Varga Chakra" book produced by Sanjay

of the SJC conference in Hyderabad lectures.

The 5th house is house of bhakti,devotion,mantra and also "purva

punya" showing the results of our past good deeds.But also shows what

we can do in this life.Fifth house is prescription of mantras, 9th

house is house of Dharma and Bhagya.But they are two things- did we

do pious activitiy- feed the poor, help people ,etc and or did we

serve God or guru? and work on self realization. The first helps us

attain a heavenly birth in future births , but the later helps us on

the path to Moksha.We need to examine both 5th and 9th houses.Yes and

of course navamsa for best picture for what you are looking for.What

is real meaning of Dharma-karmadhipati yoga,,,it is combinations

related to the 9th and 10th lords.One of the most significant yogas.

Because without blessings of God or guru, good fortune etc, in this

life it is very difficult.It is said without the blessings of the

spiritual master it is almost impossible to progress in self

realization in Kali -Yuga.

If the 9th lord in rasi is in a bad ,cruel shastyamsa is shows some

sin coming from previous birth,Depending on whether it is a benefic

or malefic shastyamsa shows which areas on a subtle level will be

influential in this birth,as we bring results from the previous

births.

The other are where previous karmas can be seen is through D-12, or

coming the lineage of our elders.(definelty so much of beneficail or

negative karmas come through or our related to the families we are

born into and the peopel that are our parents, brothers ,sisters.This

was even more important in previous times when the caste system was

functioning.)This is where Varnada lagna also fits in.

Shastyamsa chart is on the plane of "supra consciousness"

Study the Demi- God related to the shastyamsa of 9th lord.

study the houses and lordship,association of 9th house and lord,in

rasi chart, study the yogas in relation to 9th lord/house, in

conjunction of shashyamsa of 9th lord, to understand the full impact.

In fact ive seen there is clear relationhip between curses and bad

karmas in Rasi chart with indications on D-60.

Robert Koch will be releasing his new book soon"the Spiritual

Dimensions in Jyotish" which very exhaustively covers all the little

details of everything related to this topic. Please look for it.

The D-60 can be read like a natal chart for a picture of last birth.

Remember the concept of Dharma,Artha, Kama , Moksha houses, when

examining/see hich are strongest houses, lords etc.

For "purpose" of life look at AK and lessons to be learned,

also study/identify and take help from Istadevata/

With best wishes

Lakshmi Kary

vedic astrology, "venkatarama_sastry"

<venkatarama_sastry> wrote:

> Dear Gurus and friends,

>

> From the various bits and pieces of knowledge accumulated from this

> group and other sources, I am attempting to understand how to see

> the central purpose of someone's life from their previous births in

> their chart. Well, to be more precise, I am trying to find my own

> purpose in life :-) in various ways, with astrology being one of

> them.

>

> One angle seems to be D60, which shows the previous birth, which

> have obviously shaped this one. There has been some discussion and

> some requests on analyzing D60. Dear brother Partha, you and

Ramadas

> Ji once had this discussion on this group, I remember, but I can't

> seem to find any archives. Could you, or another learned member

> please teach us this?

>

> Another factor seems to be purva punya / paap from the 5th house.

(I

> am a little surprised that this is the 5th house, and not the 9th

or

> 4th... since one of the indications for 5th is children, and for

9th

> is father and 4th mother, wouldn't the 5th seem to indicate your

> *future* and not your *past*?). My 5th is Scorpio, with Mars in it,

> which seems a little scary :-) with all that fiery energy, however

> since I am of Cancer Lagna, this also creates a rajayoga, so it

> seems like a blessing.

>

> Yet another factor is the mysterious retrograde planets, that

> apparently show deep rooted desires from previous lifetimes. From

> what I've read, if a retrograde planet is somehow linked with

Lagna,

> AL or AK, this indicates the overriding factor that caused the

> present birth.

>

> Closely tied with this whole subject, at least for me, is the issue

> of spiritual growth, as shown in D20, since that somewhat indicates

> the future births. My thanks to Partha for his help in this area!

>

> Could someone guide me in learning this fascinating subject?

>

> Thanks,

> Venkatarama

June 15, 2004

|| Om Krishna Guru ||

Hello Venkatarama,

Here are few links:

Started due to msg# 18305

The actual article is at: 18340

I usually browse ±200 posts.

After a good background, real application of D-60 amsas using moola dasha:

1. Jayalalitha: msg#8360

2. Shri Arbindo Gosh: msg#8336

All thanks to PVRji!

Various dieties associated with Divitional charts (including D-60) can be

found in the document in the files section by Shri Gauranga Das.

(vedic astrologyVarga Deities.zip).

Best Regards,

Sarath.

-

"venkatarama_sastry" <venkatarama_sastry

Tuesday, June 15, 2004 11:58 AM

[vedic astrology] Understanding the purpose of a native's life from

previous lives

> Dear Gurus and friends,

>

> From the various bits and pieces of knowledge accumulated from this

> group and other sources, I am attempting to understand how to see

> the central purpose of someone's life from their previous births in

> their chart. Well, to be more precise, I am trying to find my own

> purpose in life :-) in various ways, with astrology being one of

> them.

>

> One angle seems to be D60, which shows the previous birth, which

> have obviously shaped this one. There has been some discussion and

> some requests on analyzing D60. Dear brother Partha, you and Ramadas

> Ji once had this discussion on this group, I remember, but I can't

> seem to find any archives. Could you, or another learned member

> please teach us this?

>

> Another factor seems to be purva punya / paap from the 5th house. (I

> am a little surprised that this is the 5th house, and not the 9th or

> 4th... since one of the indications for 5th is children, and for 9th

> is father and 4th mother, wouldn't the 5th seem to indicate your

> *future* and not your *past*?). My 5th is Scorpio, with Mars in it,

> which seems a little scary :-) with all that fiery energy, however

> since I am of Cancer Lagna, this also creates a rajayoga, so it

> seems like a blessing.

>

> Yet another factor is the mysterious retrograde planets, that

> apparently show deep rooted desires from previous lifetimes. From

> what I've read, if a retrograde planet is somehow linked with Lagna,

> AL or AK, this indicates the overriding factor that caused the

> present birth.

>

> Closely tied with this whole subject, at least for me, is the issue

> of spiritual growth, as shown in D20, since that somewhat indicates

> the future births. My thanks to Partha for his help in this area!

>

> Could someone guide me in learning this fascinating subject?

>

> Thanks,

> Venkatarama

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

> Links

>

June 17, 2004

Dear Venkatrama

Seeing is believing. Unless one encounters the truth himself, there

is no scope for understanding the purpose.

Jyotish provides and excellent tool to find out what was the person

in last birth, what is his purpose in this birth etc. But how would

one believe?, Belief can come only with realised knowledge. Now i may

say that your purpose is to lead a dharmic life, and read vedas, how

do i know or you know that this is real.

I am not sticking to astrology here, as i understand that this is a

sticky wicket. Now when Pt.Rath told me about my past life, he

actually did not tell,but gave me useful hints, i could understand

the Phobias that i had. Now all the people may not have irrational

fears, or fears that can be classified as Phobia. So i was lucky to

have a phobia, otherwise how would i believe Pt.Rath's words.

Now It was fine for some time, but then i thought that may be i had a

fear for only sometime, i started disbelieving again. But then i went

for a past life regression, where i saw some 200 past lives. I saw in

one past life, i was murdered in a market place. Probably it is my

immediate past life, because i had this irrational fear of

strangers , crowds and marketplaces which was correctly pointed out

by Pt.Rath.

One can erase the past with the agni of third eye. Once you see the

past, you know why are you suffering , why you are a victim without

any apparent cause. Many people have deaths in their families, and

also suffer from peculiar diseases. They curse themselves as they

dont understand why they are suffering. The only way is to either

have "beleif" in a great astrologer words, or may be go for a past

life regression, or a deep meditative state.

Then only you can know the purpose,

There is only one purpose that all of us have really, that is to go

back to kingdom of heaven. But we keep pushing ourselves against the

walls of time, keep amassing wealth, continue listening to our well

meaning parents, who want us to have material success. I am really

lucky that my father always gave me 100% independence. Even i failed,

or even if i passed in my exams, in the trials and tribulations of

life, he simaply smiled. If i asked him can i skip Eamcet and IIT

jee, he said "Nee ishtam(As you wish)". Giving so much freedom to a

16 year old is not heard these days. So i was lucky not to be pushed

for the so called purpose which everyone seems to be running after. I

was lucky not to get the big breaks despite a very good academic

record. Because if i would have been even 20% successful in chess or

anything else which my classmates are doing, i wouldnot have been

writing to you today.

Rabindranath Tagore once said,"Thank you GOd, for not fullfilling my

silly wishes".

best wishes

partha

vedic astrology, "Sarath" <gsb1008@H...> wrote:

> || Om Krishna Guru ||

>

> Hello Venkatarama,

>

> Here are few links:

> Started due to msg# 18305

> The actual article is at: 18340

>

> I usually browse ±200 posts.

>

> After a good background, real application of D-60 amsas using moola

dasha:

> 1. Jayalalitha: msg#8360

> 2. Shri Arbindo Gosh: msg#8336

>

> All thanks to PVRji!

>

> Various dieties associated with Divitional charts (including D-60)

can be

> found in the document in the files section by Shri Gauranga Das.

> (vedic astrologyVarga Deities.zip).

>

> Best Regards,

> Sarath.

>

> -

> "venkatarama_sastry" <venkatarama_sastry>

> <vedic astrology>

> Tuesday, June 15, 2004 11:58 AM

> [vedic astrology] Understanding the purpose of a native's

life from

> previous lives

>

> > Dear Gurus and friends,

> >

> > From the various bits and pieces of knowledge accumulated from

this

> > group and other sources, I am attempting to understand how to see

> > the central purpose of someone's life from their previous births

in

> > their chart. Well, to be more precise, I am trying to find my own

> > purpose in life :-) in various ways, with astrology being one of

> > them.

> >

> > One angle seems to be D60, which shows the previous birth, which

> > have obviously shaped this one. There has been some discussion and

> > some requests on analyzing D60. Dear brother Partha, you and

Ramadas

> > Ji once had this discussion on this group, I remember, but I can't

> > seem to find any archives. Could you, or another learned member

> > please teach us this?

> >

> > Another factor seems to be purva punya / paap from the 5th house.

(I

> > am a little surprised that this is the 5th house, and not the 9th

or

> > 4th... since one of the indications for 5th is children, and for

9th

> > is father and 4th mother, wouldn't the 5th seem to indicate your

> > *future* and not your *past*?). My 5th is Scorpio, with Mars in

it,

> > which seems a little scary :-) with all that fiery energy, however

> > since I am of Cancer Lagna, this also creates a rajayoga, so it

> > seems like a blessing.

> >

> > Yet another factor is the mysterious retrograde planets, that

> > apparently show deep rooted desires from previous lifetimes. From

> > what I've read, if a retrograde planet is somehow linked with

Lagna,

> > AL or AK, this indicates the overriding factor that caused the

> > present birth.

> >

> > Closely tied with this whole subject, at least for me, is the

issue

> > of spiritual growth, as shown in D20, since that somewhat

indicates

> > the future births. My thanks to Partha for his help in this area!

> >

> > Could someone guide me in learning this fascinating subject?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Venkatarama

> >

> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

> >

> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> >

> > Links

> >

June 17, 2004

Hello Partha:

Wow, you had even gone for a past-life regression and seen your past

lives/death.

I personally believe that performing karmas in the current birth in

the life arenas where one feels deficient is the best (but not the

easiest) way of washing away sins carried forward from prior lives.

My life is totally deficient and messy in the wife/marital arena so

these days, I'm performing karmas of getting poor young girls

married, i.e. donating their dowry, mangal-sutras, etc. I'm hoping my

current karmas wash away my sins from prior births.

I too had a prior-life reading done by Pt. Rath--it was very

interesting--he told me I was suffering from curse of father from

prior life. In my current life too, my father is a totalitarian--he

treats me, my mother and everybody around him like shit so I used to

constantly quarrell with my father--even long distance over the phone.

After hearing about "father's curse" from Sanjay, I became very

tolerant of my dad and no matter how much he belittles me, I don't

talk back.--Well, something good came out of Sanjay's past life

reading--It helped me rectify my behavior and karma in the current

life.

Mukund

vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy"

<partvinu5> wrote:

> Dear Venkatrama

>

> Seeing is believing. Unless one encounters the truth himself, there

> is no scope for understanding the purpose.

> Jyotish provides and excellent tool to find out what was the person

> in last birth, what is his purpose in this birth etc. But how would

> one believe?, Belief can come only with realised knowledge. Now i

may

> say that your purpose is to lead a dharmic life, and read vedas,

how

> do i know or you know that this is real.

>

> I am not sticking to astrology here, as i understand that this is a

> sticky wicket. Now when Pt.Rath told me about my past life, he

> actually did not tell,but gave me useful hints, i could understand

> the Phobias that i had. Now all the people may not have irrational

> fears, or fears that can be classified as Phobia. So i was lucky to

> have a phobia, otherwise how would i believe Pt.Rath's words.

>

> Now It was fine for some time, but then i thought that may be i had

a

> fear for only sometime, i started disbelieving again. But then i

went

> for a past life regression, where i saw some 200 past lives. I saw

in

> one past life, i was murdered in a market place. Probably it is my

> immediate past life, because i had this irrational fear of

> strangers , crowds and marketplaces which was correctly pointed out

> by Pt.Rath.

>

> One can erase the past with the agni of third eye. Once you see the

> past, you know why are you suffering , why you are a victim without

> any apparent cause. Many people have deaths in their families, and

> also suffer from peculiar diseases. They curse themselves as they

> dont understand why they are suffering. The only way is to either

> have "beleif" in a great astrologer words, or may be go for a past

> life regression, or a deep meditative state.

>

> Then only you can know the purpose,

>

> There is only one purpose that all of us have really, that is to go

> back to kingdom of heaven. But we keep pushing ourselves against

the

> walls of time, keep amassing wealth, continue listening to our well

> meaning parents, who want us to have material success. I am really

> lucky that my father always gave me 100% independence. Even i

failed,

> or even if i passed in my exams, in the trials and tribulations of

> life, he simaply smiled. If i asked him can i skip Eamcet and IIT

> jee, he said "Nee ishtam(As you wish)". Giving so much freedom to a

> 16 year old is not heard these days. So i was lucky not to be

pushed

> for the so called purpose which everyone seems to be running after.

I

> was lucky not to get the big breaks despite a very good academic

> record. Because if i would have been even 20% successful in chess

or

> anything else which my classmates are doing, i wouldnot have been

> writing to you today.

> Rabindranath Tagore once said,"Thank you GOd, for not fullfilling

my

> silly wishes".

>

> best wishes

> partha

>

> vedic astrology, "Sarath" <gsb1008@H...>

wrote:

> > || Om Krishna Guru ||

> >

> > Hello Venkatarama,

> >

> > Here are few links:

> > Started due to msg# 18305

> > The actual article is at: 18340

> >

> > I usually browse ±200 posts.

> >

> > After a good background, real application of D-60 amsas using

moola

> dasha:

> > 1. Jayalalitha: msg#8360

> > 2. Shri Arbindo Gosh: msg#8336

> >

> > All thanks to PVRji!

> >

> > Various dieties associated with Divitional charts (including D-

60)

> can be

> > found in the document in the files section by Shri Gauranga Das.

> > (vedic astrologyVarga Deities.zip).

> >

> > Best Regards,

> > Sarath.

> >

> > -

> > "venkatarama_sastry" <venkatarama_sastry>

> > <vedic astrology>

> > Tuesday, June 15, 2004 11:58 AM

> > [vedic astrology] Understanding the purpose of a

native's

> life from

> > previous lives

> >

> > > Dear Gurus and friends,

> > >

> > > From the various bits and pieces of knowledge accumulated from

> this

> > > group and other sources, I am attempting to understand how to

see

> > > the central purpose of someone's life from their previous

births

> in

> > > their chart. Well, to be more precise, I am trying to find my

own

> > > purpose in life :-) in various ways, with astrology being one of

> > > them.

> > >

> > > One angle seems to be D60, which shows the previous birth, which

> > > have obviously shaped this one. There has been some discussion

and

> > > some requests on analyzing D60. Dear brother Partha, you and

> Ramadas

> > > Ji once had this discussion on this group, I remember, but I

can't

> > > seem to find any archives. Could you, or another learned member

> > > please teach us this?

> > >

> > > Another factor seems to be purva punya / paap from the 5th

house.

> (I

> > > am a little surprised that this is the 5th house, and not the

9th

> or

> > > 4th... since one of the indications for 5th is children, and

for

> 9th

> > > is father and 4th mother, wouldn't the 5th seem to indicate your

> > > *future* and not your *past*?). My 5th is Scorpio, with Mars in

> it,

> > > which seems a little scary :-) with all that fiery energy,

however

> > > since I am of Cancer Lagna, this also creates a rajayoga, so it

> > > seems like a blessing.

> > >

> > > Yet another factor is the mysterious retrograde planets, that

> > > apparently show deep rooted desires from previous lifetimes.

From

> > > what I've read, if a retrograde planet is somehow linked with

> Lagna,

> > > AL or AK, this indicates the overriding factor that caused the

> > > present birth.

> > >

> > > Closely tied with this whole subject, at least for me, is the

> issue

> > > of spiritual growth, as shown in D20, since that somewhat

> indicates

> > > the future births. My thanks to Partha for his help in this

area!

> > >

> > > Could someone guide me in learning this fascinating subject?

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Venkatarama

> > >

> > > Group info: vedic-

astrology/info.html

> > >

> > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

>

> > >

> > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> > >

> > > Links

> > >

June 21, 2004

Dear Partha,

Again, you amaze me! In addition to being a darn good astrologer,

you are also a very perceptive person.

You said "Once you see the past, you know why are you suffering ,

why you are a victim without any apparent cause." You hit the mail

onthe head, when you say that, since that is the crux of what I am

trying to get at. I intutively want to believe that there is justice

and fairness in the world, and often that is not demonstrated in a

single lifetime. That is why the theory of Karma and reincarnation

appeals to me so much, since that fits this hypothesis, and

astrology as well as past life regressions are the "proof". But, as

you said, unless one encounters the truth ....

Yes, I know what my purpose in life is, at the highest level. It is

the same as everyone else's, to attain the One perfect state. The

Sanskrit word "smriti" sums it up so nicely, since this is not

something that we need to go out and "find", but just something

to "remember" (smriti means that which is remembered)

I also know my purpose in life at the practical level. That is to

live a dharmic life as you put it, and to take care of my husband,

children, parents etc. "Mano - Vaak - Kaaya - Karma" - dedication to

the Lord in the mind, in speech, with my physical body and with my

actions. This encompasses all the traditional virtues, like

compassion, generosity, truth, ahimsa etc.

The problem is, I don't know how to bridge the two, go from this

practical level to the highest level. I am hoping to understand this

from the study of astrology.

Your quote from Tagore, "Thank you GOd, for not fullfilling my

> silly wishes" made me smile! Ah, I wish I knew this earlier!! When

I had a lot of problems after 2 years of marraige and was seperated

for a while, I performed pooja (Japa) for the continuence of the

marriage, as instructed by the priests. Long story short, it worked,

and my marriage lasted..... for 11 more miserable years of abuse and

cheating!! The good lord had provided a way for me to escape all of

that, after just 2 years of suffering, but idiot that I was, I had

to go pray for its extension for the full 13 years of agony :-).

Also, I prayed hard for that marriage to last, but my true happiness

came from my second marriage that I did not even dream about!! God

certainly moves in mysterious ways, and takes care of his devotees

in one way or the other. My mother had a similar experience with

prayers. After years of wishing to have a daughter, after having

sons, she undertook prayer to Goddess Lalitha. She started this

prayer on the first Friday of Dusara in 1966, and I was born on the

first Friday of the Dusara of 1967. Later, unable to see me suffer

in that marriage, she regretted that wish!! Now, I am trying to stop

asking for specifics when I pray :-). After two layoffs in two

years, my present job is in jeoprady again, and I am trying hard to

say, "Dear Krishna, don't go by what I want, do what you think is

best". It is so hard to stop making silly wishes :-) thank goodness

He does not fulfil all of them.

Sincerely,

Venkatarama

vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy"

<partvinu5> wrote:

> Dear Venkatrama

>

> Seeing is believing. Unless one encounters the truth himself,

there

> is no scope for understanding the purpose.

> Jyotish provides and excellent tool to find out what was the

person

> in last birth, what is his purpose in this birth etc. But how

would

> one believe?, Belief can come only with realised knowledge. Now i

may

> say that your purpose is to lead a dharmic life, and read vedas,

how

> do i know or you know that this is real.

>

> I am not sticking to astrology here, as i understand that this is

a

> sticky wicket. Now when Pt.Rath told me about my past life, he

> actually did not tell,but gave me useful hints, i could understand

> the Phobias that i had. Now all the people may not have irrational

> fears, or fears that can be classified as Phobia. So i was lucky

to

> have a phobia, otherwise how would i believe Pt.Rath's words.

>

> Now It was fine for some time, but then i thought that may be i

had a

> fear for only sometime, i started disbelieving again. But then i

went

> for a past life regression, where i saw some 200 past lives. I saw

in

> one past life, i was murdered in a market place. Probably it is my

> immediate past life, because i had this irrational fear of

> strangers , crowds and marketplaces which was correctly pointed

out

> by Pt.Rath.

>

> One can erase the past with the agni of third eye. Once you see

the

> past, you know why are you suffering , why you are a victim

without

> any apparent cause. Many people have deaths in their families, and

> also suffer from peculiar diseases. They curse themselves as they

> dont understand why they are suffering. The only way is to either

> have "beleif" in a great astrologer words, or may be go for a past

> life regression, or a deep meditative state.

>

> Then only you can know the purpose,

>

> There is only one purpose that all of us have really, that is to

go

> back to kingdom of heaven. But we keep pushing ourselves against

the

> walls of time, keep amassing wealth, continue listening to our

well

> meaning parents, who want us to have material success. I am really

> lucky that my father always gave me 100% independence. Even i

failed,

> or even if i passed in my exams, in the trials and tribulations of

> life, he simaply smiled. If i asked him can i skip Eamcet and IIT

> jee, he said "Nee ishtam(As you wish)". Giving so much freedom to

a

> 16 year old is not heard these days. So i was lucky not to be

pushed

> for the so called purpose which everyone seems to be running

after. I

> was lucky not to get the big breaks despite a very good academic

> record. Because if i would have been even 20% successful in chess

or

> anything else which my classmates are doing, i wouldnot have been

> writing to you today.

> Rabindranath Tagore once said,"Thank you GOd, for not fullfilling

my

> silly wishes".

>

> best wishes

> partha

>

> vedic astrology, "Sarath" <gsb1008@H...>

wrote:

> > || Om Krishna Guru ||

> >

> > Hello Venkatarama,

> >

> > Here are few links:

> > Started due to msg# 18305

> > The actual article is at: 18340

> >

> > I usually browse ±200 posts.

> >

> > After a good background, real application of D-60 amsas using

moola

> dasha:

> > 1. Jayalalitha: msg#8360

> > 2. Shri Arbindo Gosh: msg#8336

> >

> > All thanks to PVRji!

> >

> > Various dieties associated with Divitional charts (including D-

60)

> can be

> > found in the document in the files section by Shri Gauranga Das.

> > (vedic astrologyVarga Deities.zip).

> >

> > Best Regards,

> > Sarath.

> >

> > -

> > "venkatarama_sastry" <venkatarama_sastry>

> > <vedic astrology>

> > Tuesday, June 15, 2004 11:58 AM

> > [vedic astrology] Understanding the purpose of a

native's

> life from

> > previous lives

> >

> > > Dear Gurus and friends,

> > >

> > > From the various bits and pieces of knowledge accumulated from

> this

> > > group and other sources, I am attempting to understand how to

see

> > > the central purpose of someone's life from their previous

births

> in

> > > their chart. Well, to be more precise, I am trying to find my

own

> > > purpose in life :-) in various ways, with astrology being one

of

> > > them.

> > >

> > > One angle seems to be D60, which shows the previous birth,

which

> > > have obviously shaped this one. There has been some discussion

and

> > > some requests on analyzing D60. Dear brother Partha, you and

> Ramadas

> > > Ji once had this discussion on this group, I remember, but I

can't

> > > seem to find any archives. Could you, or another learned member

> > > please teach us this?

> > >

> > > Another factor seems to be purva punya / paap from the 5th

house.

> (I

> > > am a little surprised that this is the 5th house, and not the

9th

> or

> > > 4th... since one of the indications for 5th is children, and

for

> 9th

> > > is father and 4th mother, wouldn't the 5th seem to indicate

your

> > > *future* and not your *past*?). My 5th is Scorpio, with Mars

in

> it,

> > > which seems a little scary :-) with all that fiery energy,

however

> > > since I am of Cancer Lagna, this also creates a rajayoga, so it

> > > seems like a blessing.

> > >

> > > Yet another factor is the mysterious retrograde planets, that

> > > apparently show deep rooted desires from previous lifetimes.

From

> > > what I've read, if a retrograde planet is somehow linked with

> Lagna,

> > > AL or AK, this indicates the overriding factor that caused the

> > > present birth.

> > >

> > > Closely tied with this whole subject, at least for me, is the

> issue

> > > of spiritual growth, as shown in D20, since that somewhat

> indicates

> > > the future births. My thanks to Partha for his help in this

area!

> > >

> > > Could someone guide me in learning this fascinating subject?

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Venkatarama

> > >

> > > Group info: vedic-

astrology/info.html

> > >

> > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

>

> > >

> > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> > >

> > > Links

> > >

June 21, 2004

dear parthasarathy,

why don't you list all your 200

past lives and perhaps do some astrlogical analysis if

possible so that we come to know what forms a soul

takes in each life to learn.

it will be a great reading at least for some.

JP

--- venkatarama_sastry <venkatarama_sastry

wrote:

> Dear Partha,

>

> Again, you amaze me! In addition to being a darn

> good astrologer,

> you are also a very perceptive person.

>

> You said "Once you see the past, you know why are

> you suffering ,

> why you are a victim without any apparent cause."

> You hit the mail

> onthe head, when you say that, since that is the

> crux of what I am

> trying to get at. I intutively want to believe that

> there is justice

> and fairness in the world, and often that is not

> demonstrated in a

> single lifetime. That is why the theory of Karma and

> reincarnation

> appeals to me so much, since that fits this

> hypothesis, and

> astrology as well as past life regressions are the

> "proof". But, as

> you said, unless one encounters the truth ....

>

> Yes, I know what my purpose in life is, at the

> highest level. It is

> the same as everyone else's, to attain the One

> perfect state. The

> Sanskrit word "smriti" sums it up so nicely, since

> this is not

> something that we need to go out and "find", but

> just something

> to "remember" (smriti means that which is

> remembered)

>

> I also know my purpose in life at the practical

> level. That is to

> live a dharmic life as you put it, and to take care

> of my husband,

> children, parents etc. "Mano - Vaak - Kaaya - Karma"

> - dedication to

> the Lord in the mind, in speech, with my physical

> body and with my

> actions. This encompasses all the traditional

> virtues, like

> compassion, generosity, truth, ahimsa etc.

>

> The problem is, I don't know how to bridge the two,

> go from this

> practical level to the highest level. I am hoping to

> understand this

> from the study of astrology.

>

> Your quote from Tagore, "Thank you GOd, for not

> fullfilling my

> > silly wishes" made me smile! Ah, I wish I knew

> this earlier!! When

> I had a lot of problems after 2 years of marraige

> and was seperated

> for a while, I performed pooja (Japa) for the

> continuence of the

> marriage, as instructed by the priests. Long story

> short, it worked,

> and my marriage lasted..... for 11 more miserable

> years of abuse and

> cheating!! The good lord had provided a way for me

> to escape all of

> that, after just 2 years of suffering, but idiot

> that I was, I had

> to go pray for its extension for the full 13 years

> of agony :-).

> Also, I prayed hard for that marriage to last, but

> my true happiness

> came from my second marriage that I did not even

> dream about!! God

> certainly moves in mysterious ways, and takes care

> of his devotees

> in one way or the other. My mother had a similar

> experience with

> prayers. After years of wishing to have a daughter,

> after having

> sons, she undertook prayer to Goddess Lalitha. She

> started this

> prayer on the first Friday of Dusara in 1966, and I

> was born on the

> first Friday of the Dusara of 1967. Later, unable to

> see me suffer

> in that marriage, she regretted that wish!! Now, I

> am trying to stop

> asking for specifics when I pray :-). After two

> layoffs in two

> years, my present job is in jeoprady again, and I am

> trying hard to

> say, "Dear Krishna, don't go by what I want, do what

> you think is

> best". It is so hard to stop making silly wishes :-)

> thank goodness

> He does not fulfil all of them.

>

> Sincerely,

> Venkatarama

>

> vedic astrology, "V.Partha

> sarathy"

> <partvinu5> wrote:

> > Dear Venkatrama

> >

> > Seeing is believing. Unless one encounters the

> truth himself,

> there

> > is no scope for understanding the purpose.

> > Jyotish provides and excellent tool to find out

> what was the

> person

> > in last birth, what is his purpose in this birth

> etc. But how

> would

> > one believe?, Belief can come only with realised

> knowledge. Now i

> may

> > say that your purpose is to lead a dharmic life,

> and read vedas,

> how

> > do i know or you know that this is real.

> >

> > I am not sticking to astrology here, as i

> understand that this is

> a

> > sticky wicket. Now when Pt.Rath told me about my

> past life, he

> > actually did not tell,but gave me useful hints, i

> could understand

> > the Phobias that i had. Now all the people may not

> have irrational

> > fears, or fears that can be classified as Phobia.

> So i was lucky

> to

> > have a phobia, otherwise how would i believe

> Pt.Rath's words.

> >

> > Now It was fine for some time, but then i thought

> that may be i

> had a

> > fear for only sometime, i started disbelieving

> again. But then i

> went

> > for a past life regression, where i saw some 200

> past lives. I saw

> in

> > one past life, i was murdered in a market place.

> Probably it is my

> > immediate past life, because i had this irrational

> fear of

> > strangers , crowds and marketplaces which was

> correctly pointed

> out

> > by Pt.Rath.

> >

> > One can erase the past with the agni of third eye.

> Once you see

> the

> > past, you know why are you suffering , why you are

> a victim

> without

> > any apparent cause. Many people have deaths in

> their families, and

> > also suffer from peculiar diseases. They curse

> themselves as they

> > dont understand why they are suffering. The only

> way is to either

> > have "beleif" in a great astrologer words, or may

> be go for a past

> > life regression, or a deep meditative state.

> >

> > Then only you can know the purpose,

> >

> > There is only one purpose that all of us have

> really, that is to

> go

> > back to kingdom of heaven. But we keep pushing

> ourselves against

> the

> > walls of time, keep amassing wealth, continue

> listening to our

> well

> > meaning parents, who want us to have material

> success. I am really

> > lucky that my father always gave me 100%

> independence. Even i

> failed,

> > or even if i passed in my exams, in the trials and

> tribulations of

> > life, he simaply smiled. If i asked him can i skip

> Eamcet and IIT

> > jee, he said "Nee ishtam(As you wish)". Giving so

> much freedom to

> a

> > 16 year old is not heard these days. So i was

> lucky not to be

> pushed

>

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Dear Gentlepeople:

While we are on this topic, can someone please explain the events

happening in current life attributed to past life karmas by

astrologers and Hindu priests.

Let's take a simple example. Say my wife cheats on me, robs me and

runs away. I'm heartbroken by this so I run to an astrologer or a

priest who tells me--"O' Mukund, this happened to you due to the

curse of father from your prior life." Fine, I accpet this that I'm

cheated by my wife due to curse of father from prior life.

Now, what confuses me is this--Will God PUNISH my current-life wife

for cheating me OR will God REWARD her for helping him (God) carry

out the curse of father from my prior life/inflicting punisment on me

for my prior life bad-karmas?

Now, let's think logically like engineers--

If the answer is that "God should/would PUNISH my current-life wife

for cheating me," then WHO would/could have been instrumental in

giving me the results of my past-life bad karma?--someone has to do

this and why should this "someone" be punished for carrying out the

will of God himself?

If the answer is that "God should REWARD my current-life wife for

asstisting God in carrying out the curse of father or giving me the

fruits of my bad-karma from prior life," then why is our society

punishing thiefs, rapists and murderers? Shouldn't they be set free

or be rewarded for assisting God in giving someone the fruits of

prior life bad-karma? OR assisting God in carrying out the million

different curses that the astrologers, seers and priests come up with?

The theory of karma and re-birth appears very sexy from afar, but if

I logically (un-emotionally) think about it, it doesn't make any

sense at all.

I've placed this very same scenario before some big-name Gurus,

Maharisis, Bapus, Babas, Mata, Devis, Swamis, etc. etc. in India and

it confused them totally and the one answer they all came up with was

more or less this--"Bacche Bhagwan Ki Leela ko Janna Asambhave Hai,"

translated into English--"Child, it's immpossible to understand God's

ways."

Well, if it is immpossible to understand God's ways, then why do we

have this theory of Karma and re-birth? Why are we all here on this

board? What is the use of studying and believing Vedic Astrology

which is based primarily on karma (current and prior life) and fruits

of such karmas?

My intent is not to offend Hindus--I'm myself a practising Hindu--

born and raised. I just want to understand "karma, re-birth and

fruits of my actions in prior life."

I'm hoping I don't get the same "standard" answer I got from the fake

God-men and God-women I've grilled in past on this subject.

Thanks.

Mukund

vedic astrology, Jatin Prakash

<jatinprakash> wrote:

> dear parthasarathy,

> why don't you list all your 200

> past lives and perhaps do some astrlogical analysis if

> possible so that we come to know what forms a soul

> takes in each life to learn.

> it will be a great reading at least for some.

> JP

> --- venkatarama_sastry <venkatarama_sastry>

> wrote:

> > Dear Partha,

> >

> > Again, you amaze me! In addition to being a darn

> > good astrologer,

> > you are also a very perceptive person.

> >

> > You said "Once you see the past, you know why are

> > you suffering ,

> > why you are a victim without any apparent cause."

> > You hit the mail

> > onthe head, when you say that, since that is the

> > crux of what I am

> > trying to get at. I intutively want to believe that

> > there is justice

> > and fairness in the world, and often that is not

> > demonstrated in a

> > single lifetime. That is why the theory of Karma and

> > reincarnation

> > appeals to me so much, since that fits this

> > hypothesis, and

> > astrology as well as past life regressions are the

> > "proof". But, as

> > you said, unless one encounters the truth ....

> >

> > Yes, I know what my purpose in life is, at the

> > highest level. It is

> > the same as everyone else's, to attain the One

> > perfect state. The

> > Sanskrit word "smriti" sums it up so nicely, since

> > this is not

> > something that we need to go out and "find", but

> > just something

> > to "remember" (smriti means that which is

> > remembered)

> >

> > I also know my purpose in life at the practical

> > level. That is to

> > live a dharmic life as you put it, and to take care

> > of my husband,

> > children, parents etc. "Mano - Vaak - Kaaya - Karma"

> > - dedication to

> > the Lord in the mind, in speech, with my physical

> > body and with my

> > actions. This encompasses all the traditional

> > virtues, like

> > compassion, generosity, truth, ahimsa etc.

> >

> > The problem is, I don't know how to bridge the two,

> > go from this

> > practical level to the highest level. I am hoping to

> > understand this

> > from the study of astrology.

> >

> > Your quote from Tagore, "Thank you GOd, for not

> > fullfilling my

> > > silly wishes" made me smile! Ah, I wish I knew

> > this earlier!! When

> > I had a lot of problems after 2 years of marraige

> > and was seperated

> > for a while, I performed pooja (Japa) for the

> > continuence of the

> > marriage, as instructed by the priests. Long story

> > short, it worked,

> > and my marriage lasted..... for 11 more miserable

> > years of abuse and

> > cheating!! The good lord had provided a way for me

> > to escape all of

> > that, after just 2 years of suffering, but idiot

> > that I was, I had

> > to go pray for its extension for the full 13 years

> > of agony :-).

> > Also, I prayed hard for that marriage to last, but

> > my true happiness

> > came from my second marriage that I did not even

> > dream about!! God

> > certainly moves in mysterious ways, and takes care

> > of his devotees

> > in one way or the other. My mother had a similar

> > experience with

> > prayers. After years of wishing to have a daughter,

> > after having

> > sons, she undertook prayer to Goddess Lalitha. She

> > started this

> > prayer on the first Friday of Dusara in 1966, and I

> > was born on the

> > first Friday of the Dusara of 1967. Later, unable to

> > see me suffer

> > in that marriage, she regretted that wish!! Now, I

> > am trying to stop

> > asking for specifics when I pray :-). After two

> > layoffs in two

> > years, my present job is in jeoprady again, and I am

> > trying hard to

> > say, "Dear Krishna, don't go by what I want, do what

> > you think is

> > best". It is so hard to stop making silly wishes :-)

> > thank goodness

> > He does not fulfil all of them.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> > Venkatarama

> >

> > vedic astrology, "V.Partha

> > sarathy"

> > <partvinu5> wrote:

> > > Dear Venkatrama

> > >

> > > Seeing is believing. Unless one encounters the

> > truth himself,

> > there

> > > is no scope for understanding the purpose.

> > > Jyotish provides and excellent tool to find out

> > what was the

> > person

> > > in last birth, what is his purpose in this birth

> > etc. But how

> > would

> > > one believe?, Belief can come only with realised

> > knowledge. Now i

> > may

> > > say that your purpose is to lead a dharmic life,

> > and read vedas,

> > how

> > > do i know or you know that this is real.

> > >

> > > I am not sticking to astrology here, as i

> > understand that this is

> > a

> > > sticky wicket. Now when Pt.Rath told me about my

> > past life, he

> > > actually did not tell,but gave me useful hints, i

> > could understand

> > > the Phobias that i had. Now all the people may not

> > have irrational

> > > fears, or fears that can be classified as Phobia.

> > So i was lucky

> > to

> > > have a phobia, otherwise how would i believe

> > Pt.Rath's words.

> > >

> > > Now It was fine for some time, but then i thought

> > that may be i

> > had a

> > > fear for only sometime, i started disbelieving

> > again. But then i

> > went

> > > for a past life regression, where i saw some 200

> > past lives. I saw

> > in

> > > one past life, i was murdered in a market place.

> > Probably it is my

> > > immediate past life, because i had this irrational

> > fear of

> > > strangers , crowds and marketplaces which was

> > correctly pointed

> > out

> > > by Pt.Rath.

> > >

> > > One can erase the past with the agni of third eye.

> > Once you see

> > the

> > > past, you know why are you suffering , why you are

> > a victim

> > without

> > > any apparent cause. Many people have deaths in

> > their families, and

> > > also suffer from peculiar diseases. They curse

> > themselves as they

> > > dont understand why they are suffering. The only

> > way is to either

> > > have "beleif" in a great astrologer words, or may

> > be go for a past

> > > life regression, or a deep meditative state.

> > >

> > > Then only you can know the purpose,

> > >

> > > There is only one purpose that all of us have

> > really, that is to

> > go

> > > back to kingdom of heaven. But we keep pushing

> > ourselves against

> > the

> > > walls of time, keep amassing wealth, continue

> > listening to our

> > well

> > > meaning parents, who want us to have material

> > success. I am really

> > > lucky that my father always gave me 100%

> > independence. Even i

> > failed,

> > > or even if i passed in my exams, in the trials and

> > tribulations of

> > > life, he simaply smiled. If i asked him can i skip

> > Eamcet and IIT

> > > jee, he said "Nee ishtam(As you wish)". Giving so

> > much freedom to

> > a

> > > 16 year old is not heard these days. So i was

> > lucky not to be

> > pushed

> >

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This is what I understand about karma and it's workings. When God created the

first man/woman, God gave man (or woman) the ultimate freedom to do as they

please (complete freedom and no karmic bonds). However, god placed man in the

world of dualities (of good and bad) and within nature that has the triple

quality of sattva, rajas and tamas. In this world of maya, it was up to the

individual to use his/her god given freedom to return back to god. Buy

maha-maya is so powerful that it started causing desires in the minds of

men/women, thereby enshrouding their souls with karmic attachments whereby

setting off lifetimes and lifetimes of re-incarnations until one becomes

self/god realized. Once you become god-realized you will be able to

distinguish between the truth and maya and will have the freedom to choose the

path of truth where one doesn't accrue any

karmic balance.

As I understand it, as humans we have some degree of freedom to act as we

choose. Everything is not karmically bound (that is why humans are different

from other animals, in that humans have at least some freedom (because most

have some power of discrimination), even though they are bound by karma to a

certain extent). So in your case, where you said you had a father's curse you

may have had the option to realize your faults and repent or do something to

release yourself from the karmic bond you’re you accrued in your past life

(whatever you did to be cursed by the father in some previous life). Now, you

ask whether god should reward or punish the person that will bring troubles to

you in order to satisfy the karmic effect upon you in this life. Over here you

are assuming that everything is set in stone and that God made your wife cheat

you and run away from you. This is not the case, in fact in the

Bhagvad Gita, Krishna tells Arjuna that karma is a universal law that's set in

motion, he doesn't help the karmic laws to function one way or the other. Which

means, that if you have done a bad thing in the past and have not understood or

realized the truth from the un-truth, events will occur in this life and/or in

future lives to make you learn the truth. As for the person causing the misery

to you, they may be driven by their greed (in this life), for which they will

pay either in this life or the subsequent lives (because even their actions are

karmically bound - if indeed the wife has cheated, etc). So indeed it's very

intricate and one should understand that our lives are both karmically bound to

a certain extent and free to a certain extent (astrologically, the upachayas

indicate a person’s free will). For example, if you really wanted you can go

marry another woman and cheat her. It's a possibility and you are free to do

it, but

will you?? If you so choose to do, fate may make you meet a person that would

need to be taught a lesson (another soul with some curse). The lesson will make

one person closer to being unbound by their past action and the other person

accrue more karmic bonds.

To summarize, God doesn’t reward or punish anyone, it’s your past karma that

either comes as a blessing or a curse in this life. Along with the karmic

reactions that will take place in this life, one will still have some amount of

freedom to do the right things in order to free oneself of even more karma,

thereby coming closer to self-realization. Hence, you cannot simply come here

and say that some swamis, etc said that they didn't know how to answer your

question. Please be honest.

Regards,

- Jai

monmuk111 <monmuk111 > wrote:

Dear Gentlepeople:While we are on this topic, can someone please explain the

events happening in current life attributed to past life karmas by astrologers

and Hindu priests.Let's take a simple example. Say my wife cheats on me, robs

me and runs away. I'm heartbroken by this so I run to an astrologer or a priest

who tells me--"O' Mukund, this happened to you due to the curse of father from

your prior life." Fine, I accpet this that I'm cheated by my wife due to curse

of father from prior life.Now, what confuses me is this--Will God PUNISH my

current-life wife for cheating me OR will God REWARD her for helping him (God)

carry out the curse of father from my prior life/inflicting punisment on me for

my prior life bad-karmas?Now, let's think logically like engineers--If the

answer is that "God should/would PUNISH

my current-life wife for cheating me," then WHO would/could have been

instrumental in giving me the results of my past-life bad karma?--someone has

to do this and why should this "someone" be punished for carrying out the will

of God himself?If the answer is that "God should REWARD my current-life wife

for asstisting God in carrying out the curse of father or giving me the fruits

of my bad-karma from prior life," then why is our society punishing thiefs,

rapists and murderers? Shouldn't they be set free or be rewarded for assisting

God in giving someone the fruits of prior life bad-karma? OR assisting God in

carrying out the million different curses that the astrologers, seers and

priests come up with?The theory of karma and re-birth appears very sexy from

afar, but if I logically (un-emotionally) think about it, it doesn't make any

sense at all.I've placed this very same scenario before some big-name Gurus,

Maharisis, Bapus, Babas, Mata, Devis, Swamis, etc. etc. in India and it confused

them totally and the one answer they all came up with was more or less

this--"Bacche Bhagwan Ki Leela ko Janna Asambhave Hai," translated into

English--"Child, it's immpossible to understand God's ways." Well, if it is

immpossible to understand God's ways, then why do we have this theory of Karma

and re-birth? Why are we all here on this board? What is the use of studying

and believing Vedic Astrology which is based primarily on karma (current and

prior life) and fruits of such karmas?My intent is not to offend Hindus--I'm

myself a practising Hindu--born and raised. I just want to understand "karma,

re-birth and fruits of my actions in prior life." I'm hoping I don't get the

same "standard" answer I got from the fake God-men and God-women I've grilled

in past on this subject.Thanks.Mukund--- In

vedic astrology, Jatin Prakash wrote:> dear parthasarathy,> why

don't you list all your 200> past lives and perhaps do some astrlogical

analysis if> possible so that we come to know what forms a soul> takes in each

life to learn.> it will be a great reading at least for some.> JP > ---

venkatarama_sastry > wrote:> > Dear Partha,> > > > Again, you amaze me! In

addition to being a darn> > good astrologer, > > you are also a very perceptive

person. > > > > You said "Once you see the past, you know why are> > you

suffering , > > why you are a victim without any apparent cause."> > You hit

the mail > > onthe head, when you say that, since that is the> > crux of what I

am > > trying to get at. I intutively want to believe that>

> there is justice > > and fairness in the world, and often that is not> >

demonstrated in a > > single lifetime. That is why the theory of Karma and> >

reincarnation > > appeals to me so much, since that fits this> > hypothesis,

and > > astrology as well as past life regressions are the> > "proof". But, as

> > you said, unless one encounters the truth .... > > > > Yes, I know what my

purpose in life is, at the> > highest level. It is > > the same as everyone

else's, to attain the One> > perfect state. The > > Sanskrit word "smriti" sums

it up so nicely, since> > this is not > > something that we need to go out and

"find", but> > just something > > to "remember" (smriti means that which is> >

remembered)> > > > I also know my purpose in life at the

practical> > level. That is to > > live a dharmic life as you put it, and to

take care> > of my husband, > > children, parents etc. "Mano - Vaak - Kaaya -

Karma"> > - dedication to > > the Lord in the mind, in speech, with my

physical> > body and with my > > actions. This encompasses all the traditional>

> virtues, like > > compassion, generosity, truth, ahimsa etc. > > > > The

problem is, I don't know how to bridge the two,> > go from this > > practical

level to the highest level. I am hoping to> > understand this > > from the

study of astrology. > > > > Your quote from Tagore, "Thank you GOd, for not> >

fullfilling my > > > silly wishes" made me smile! Ah, I wish I knew> > this

earlier!! When > > I had a lot of problems after 2 years of marraige> > and

was seperated > > for a while, I performed pooja (Japa) for the> > continuence

of the > > marriage, as instructed by the priests. Long story> > short, it

worked, > > and my marriage lasted..... for 11 more miserable> > years of abuse

and > > cheating!! The good lord had provided a way for me> > to escape all of >

> that, after just 2 years of suffering, but idiot> > that I was, I had > > to

go pray for its extension for the full 13 years> > of agony :-). > > Also, I

prayed hard for that marriage to last, but> > my true happiness > > came from

my second marriage that I did not even> > dream about!! God > > certainly moves

in mysterious ways, and takes care> > of his devotees > > in one way or the

other. My mother had a similar> > experience with > > prayers. After years of

wishing to have a daughter,> > after having > > sons, she undertook prayer to

Goddess Lalitha. She> > started this > > prayer on the first Friday of Dusara

in 1966, and I> > was born on the > > first Friday of the Dusara of 1967.

Later, unable to> > see me suffer > > in that marriage, she regretted that

wish!! Now, I> > am trying to stop > > asking for specifics when I pray :-).

After two> > layoffs in two > > years, my present job is in jeoprady again, and

I am> > trying hard to > > say, "Dear Krishna, don't go by what I want, do what>

> you think is > > best". It is so hard to stop making silly wishes :-)> > thank

goodness > > He does not fulfil all of them. > > > > Sincerely,> > Venkatarama>

> > > vedic astrology, "V.Partha>

> sarathy" > > wrote:> > > Dear Venkatrama> > > > > > Seeing is believing.

Unless one encounters the> > truth himself, > > there > > > is no scope for

understanding the purpose.> > > Jyotish provides and excellent tool to find

out> > what was the > > person > > > in last birth, what is his purpose in this

birth> > etc. But how > > would > > > one believe?, Belief can come only with

realised> > knowledge. Now i > > may > > > say that your purpose is to lead a

dharmic life,> > and read vedas, > > how > > > do i know or you know that this

is real.> > > > > > I am not sticking to astrology here, as i> > understand

that this is > > a > > > sticky wicket. Now when Pt.Rath told me about

my> > past life, he > > > actually did not tell,but gave me useful hints, i> >

could understand > > > the Phobias that i had. Now all the people may not> >

have irrational > > > fears, or fears that can be classified as Phobia.> > So i

was lucky > > to > > > have a phobia, otherwise how would i believe> > Pt.Rath's

words.> > > > > > Now It was fine for some time, but then i thought> > that may

be i > > had a > > > fear for only sometime, i started disbelieving> > again.

But then i > > went > > > for a past life regression, where i saw some 200> >

past lives. I saw > > in > > > one past life, i was murdered in a market

place.> > Probably it is my > > > immediate past life, because i had this

irrational> > fear of

> > > strangers , crowds and marketplaces which was> > correctly pointed > > out

> > > by Pt.Rath.> > > > > > > > > One can erase the past with the agni of third

eye.> > Once you see > > the > > > past, you know why are you suffering , why

you are> > a victim > > without > > > any apparent cause. Many people have

deaths in> > their families, and > > > also suffer from peculiar diseases. They

curse> > themselves as they > > > dont understand why they are suffering. The

only> > way is to either > > > have "beleif" in a great astrologer words, or

may> > be go for a past > > > life regression, or a deep meditative state.> > >

> > > Then only you can know the purpose, > > > > > > There is only one

purpose that all of us have> > really, that is to > > go > > > back to kingdom

of heaven. But we keep pushing> > ourselves against > > the > > > walls of

time, keep amassing wealth, continue> > listening to our > > well > > > meaning

parents, who want us to have material> > success. I am really > > > lucky that

my father always gave me 100%> > independence. Even i > > failed, > > > or even

if i passed in my exams, in the trials and> > tribulations of > > > life, he

simaply smiled. If i asked him can i skip> > Eamcet and IIT > > > jee, he said

"Nee ishtam(As you wish)". Giving so> > much freedom to > > a > > > 16 year old

is not heard these days. So i was> > lucky not to be > > pushed > > > ===

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June 21, 2004

Dear Mukund,

Hope I dont end up giving you the standard answer. I am no Guru,

just the average joe on the street. But I think of the same things

many times. Net result: Your basic idea of God's will is wrong. God -

Atma - Brahman - does not will at all. These problems are due to

imbalance and disharmony at some deeper level within you (as they are

within me too, I make no saintly claims, trust me). You simply

subconsciously gravitate to people and situations that make you play

out that imbalance and disharmony. Those people have imbalances and

disharmony too. God is not sending them out to "get" you, nor were

you sent by God to "get" anyone in previous lifetimes. These are

simply lust/greed/passion based imbalances and disharmonies. Resolve

them within yourself and you will not find yourself in such

situations any more. If you still dont understand, simply take the

laws of physics. The higher you jump the harder you fall. God did not

specifically will you to jump or fall. He simply set the laws in

motion, YOU jumped, and YOU fell - YOUR WILL.

And the next question of yours will be about free will. I can answer

some of that too as I did to my own partial satisfaction, but perhaps

you wont ask it..

Sundeep

vedic astrology, "monmuk111" <monmuk111>

wrote:

> Dear Gentlepeople:

>

> While we are on this topic, can someone please explain the events

> happening in current life attributed to past life karmas by

> astrologers and Hindu priests.

>

> Let's take a simple example. Say my wife cheats on me, robs me and

> runs away. I'm heartbroken by this so I run to an astrologer or a

> priest who tells me--"O' Mukund, this happened to you due to the

> curse of father from your prior life." Fine, I accpet this that I'm

> cheated by my wife due to curse of father from prior life.

>

> Now, what confuses me is this--Will God PUNISH my current-life wife

> for cheating me OR will God REWARD her for helping him (God) carry

> out the curse of father from my prior life/inflicting punisment on

me

> for my prior life bad-karmas?

>

> Now, let's think logically like engineers--

>

> If the answer is that "God should/would PUNISH my current-life wife

> for cheating me," then WHO would/could have been instrumental in

> giving me the results of my past-life bad karma?--someone has to do

> this and why should this "someone" be punished for carrying out the

> will of God himself?

>

> If the answer is that "God should REWARD my current-life wife for

> asstisting God in carrying out the curse of father or giving me the

> fruits of my bad-karma from prior life," then why is our society

> punishing thiefs, rapists and murderers? Shouldn't they be set free

> or be rewarded for assisting God in giving someone the fruits of

> prior life bad-karma? OR assisting God in carrying out the million

> different curses that the astrologers, seers and priests come up

with?

>

> The theory of karma and re-birth appears very sexy from afar, but

if

> I logically (un-emotionally) think about it, it doesn't make any

> sense at all.

>

> I've placed this very same scenario before some big-name Gurus,

> Maharisis, Bapus, Babas, Mata, Devis, Swamis, etc. etc. in India

and

> it confused them totally and the one answer they all came up with

was

> more or less this--"Bacche Bhagwan Ki Leela ko Janna Asambhave

Hai,"

> translated into English--"Child, it's immpossible to understand

God's

> ways."

>

> Well, if it is immpossible to understand God's ways, then why do we

> have this theory of Karma and re-birth? Why are we all here on this

> board? What is the use of studying and believing Vedic Astrology

> which is based primarily on karma (current and prior life) and

fruits

> of such karmas?

>

> My intent is not to offend Hindus--I'm myself a practising Hindu--

> born and raised. I just want to understand "karma, re-birth and

> fruits of my actions in prior life."

>

> I'm hoping I don't get the same "standard" answer I got from the

fake

> God-men and God-women I've grilled in past on this subject.

>

> Thanks.

> Mukund

>

> vedic astrology, Jatin Prakash

> <jatinprakash> wrote:

> > dear parthasarathy,

> > why don't you list all your 200

> > past lives and perhaps do some astrlogical analysis if

> > possible so that we come to know what forms a soul

> > takes in each life to learn.

> > it will be a great reading at least for some.

> > JP

> > --- venkatarama_sastry <venkatarama_sastry>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Partha,

> > >

> > > Again, you amaze me! In addition to being a darn

> > > good astrologer,

> > > you are also a very perceptive person.

> > >

> > > You said "Once you see the past, you know why are

> > > you suffering ,

> > > why you are a victim without any apparent cause."

> > > You hit the mail

> > > onthe head, when you say that, since that is the

> > > crux of what I am

> > > trying to get at. I intutively want to believe that

> > > there is justice

> > > and fairness in the world, and often that is not

> > > demonstrated in a

> > > single lifetime. That is why the theory of Karma and

> > > reincarnation

> > > appeals to me so much, since that fits this

> > > hypothesis, and

> > > astrology as well as past life regressions are the

> > > "proof". But, as

> > > you said, unless one encounters the truth ....

> > >

> > > Yes, I know what my purpose in life is, at the

> > > highest level. It is

> > > the same as everyone else's, to attain the One

> > > perfect state. The

> > > Sanskrit word "smriti" sums it up so nicely, since

> > > this is not

> > > something that we need to go out and "find", but

> > > just something

> > > to "remember" (smriti means that which is

> > > remembered)

> > >

> > > I also know my purpose in life at the practical

> > > level. That is to

> > > live a dharmic life as you put it, and to take care

> > > of my husband,

> > > children, parents etc. "Mano - Vaak - Kaaya - Karma"

> > > - dedication to

> > > the Lord in the mind, in speech, with my physical

> > > body and with my

> > > actions. This encompasses all the traditional

> > > virtues, like

> > > compassion, generosity, truth, ahimsa etc.

> > >

> > > The problem is, I don't know how to bridge the two,

> > > go from this

> > > practical level to the highest level. I am hoping to

> > > understand this

> > > from the study of astrology.

> > >

> > > Your quote from Tagore, "Thank you GOd, for not

> > > fullfilling my

> > > > silly wishes" made me smile! Ah, I wish I knew

> > > this earlier!! When

> > > I had a lot of problems after 2 years of marraige

> > > and was seperated

> > > for a while, I performed pooja (Japa) for the

> > > continuence of the

> > > marriage, as instructed by the priests. Long story

> > > short, it worked,

> > > and my marriage lasted..... for 11 more miserable

> > > years of abuse and

> > > cheating!! The good lord had provided a way for me

> > > to escape all of

> > > that, after just 2 years of suffering, but idiot

> > > that I was, I had

> > > to go pray for its extension for the full 13 years

> > > of agony :-).

> > > Also, I prayed hard for that marriage to last, but

> > > my true happiness

> > > came from my second marriage that I did not even

> > > dream about!! God

> > > certainly moves in mysterious ways, and takes care

> > > of his devotees

> > > in one way or the other. My mother had a similar

> > > experience with

> > > prayers. After years of wishing to have a daughter,

> > > after having

> > > sons, she undertook prayer to Goddess Lalitha. She

> > > started this

> > > prayer on the first Friday of Dusara in 1966, and I

> > > was born on the

> > > first Friday of the Dusara of 1967. Later, unable to

> > > see me suffer

> > > in that marriage, she regretted that wish!! Now, I

> > > am trying to stop

> > > asking for specifics when I pray :-). After two

> > > layoffs in two

> > > years, my present job is in jeoprady again, and I am

> > > trying hard to

> > > say, "Dear Krishna, don't go by what I want, do what

> > > you think is

> > > best". It is so hard to stop making silly wishes :-)

> > > thank goodness

> > > He does not fulfil all of them.

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > > Venkatarama

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "V.Partha

> > > sarathy"

> > > <partvinu5> wrote:

> > > > Dear Venkatrama

> > > >

> > > > Seeing is believing. Unless one encounters the

> > > truth himself,

> > > there

> > > > is no scope for understanding the purpose.

> > > > Jyotish provides and excellent tool to find out

> > > what was the

> > > person

> > > > in last birth, what is his purpose in this birth

> > > etc. But how

> > > would

> > > > one believe?, Belief can come only with realised

> > > knowledge. Now i

> > > may

> > > > say that your purpose is to lead a dharmic life,

> > > and read vedas,

> > > how

> > > > do i know or you know that this is real.

> > > >

> > > > I am not sticking to astrology here, as i

> > > understand that this is

> > > a

> > > > sticky wicket. Now when Pt.Rath told me about my

> > > past life, he

> > > > actually did not tell,but gave me useful hints, i

> > > could understand

> > > > the Phobias that i had. Now all the people may not

> > > have irrational

> > > > fears, or fears that can be classified as Phobia.

> > > So i was lucky

> > > to

> > > > have a phobia, otherwise how would i believe

> > > Pt.Rath's words.

> > > >

> > > > Now It was fine for some time, but then i thought

> > > that may be i

> > > had a

> > > > fear for only sometime, i started disbelieving

> > > again. But then i

> > > went

> > > > for a past life regression, where i saw some 200

> > > past lives. I saw

> > > in

> > > > one past life, i was murdered in a market place.

> > > Probably it is my

> > > > immediate past life, because i had this irrational

> > > fear of

> > > > strangers , crowds and marketplaces which was

> > > correctly pointed

> > > out

> > > > by Pt.Rath.

> > > >

> > > > One can erase the past with the agni of third eye.

> > > Once you see

> > > the

> > > > past, you know why are you suffering , why you are

> > > a victim

> > > without

> > > > any apparent cause. Many people have deaths in

> > > their families, and

> > > > also suffer from peculiar diseases. They curse

> > > themselves as they

> > > > dont understand why they are suffering. The only

> > > way is to either

> > > > have "beleif" in a great astrologer words, or may

> > > be go for a past

> > > > life regression, or a deep meditative state.

> > > >

> > > > Then only you can know the purpose,

> > > >

> > > > There is only one purpose that all of us have

> > > really, that is to

> > > go

> > > > back to kingdom of heaven. But we keep pushing

> > > ourselves against

> > > the

> > > > walls of time, keep amassing wealth, continue

> > > listening to our

> > > well

> > > > meaning parents, who want us to have material

> > > success. I am really

> > > > lucky that my father always gave me 100%

> > > independence. Even i

> > > failed,

> > > > or even if i passed in my exams, in the trials and

> > > tribulations of

> > > > life, he simaply smiled. If i asked him can i skip

> > > Eamcet and IIT

> > > > jee, he said "Nee ishtam(As you wish)". Giving so

> > > much freedom to

> > > a

> > > > 16 year old is not heard these days. So i was

> > > lucky not to be

> > > pushed

> > >

> > === message truncated ===

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June 21, 2004

Hello Jai:

Very well written and said. I'll re-read your note and

try to understand it better.

It appears that the key is that God is not controlling

the karma of humans but their own maya is. So, this

means that God didn't make my ex-wife cheat me, but

she acted on her own accord and she has now

accumulated a karmic burden that she'll need to

fulfill.

Whereas, I on other hand fulfilled karmic burden in

form of father's curse or some other curse when my

ex-wife cheated me.

Now, I don't mean to nag you, but if my wife had

chosen NOT to cheat me/cheat on me, then what would

have happened to the father's curse--I would never

have been punished when I deserved to be punished

based on my karma in prior-life.

And, when does the interactive plot of cross-karmic

burdens end? How does one get done paying/repenting

for his bad karma and stop being re-born? And, is such

a thing possible--In kali-yug, we began our day with

sins and end our day with sins--even minor sins like

lying in the office about traffic-jam when in reailty

I overslept.

If I attempt to live a sin-free life, I'd cease to

exist in today's day and age--I'd be on the streets. I

have to be aggressive, ambitious, calculating,

scheming, etc. etc. IF NOT, someone else will scheme

me out of my job/promotion. It's a vicious circle, how

can one rise above all this without running away into

the mountains and living on berries and fruits and

sleeping in a cave. And, if all of use took this

"mountain" route, soon there will be overcrowding in

the forests and people will began black-marketing the

caves.

Thanks.

Mukund

June 21, 2004

Dear Mukund,

You already have responses from two intelligent people on this list,

and I agree with both. I just wanted to comment on your quotation of

what the saints told you... that it is impossible to understand

God's ways. Don't take offence at that statement, Mukund, it was

nothing personal. We are all like little children, trying hard to

grasp the concept of counting to 10. If a great mathematician tells

us that it is impossible for us to understand calculus, that is a

true statement for our present situation, isn't it? If you truly

want to understand calculus, you will have to work hard for many

years, and master not only counting but so much much more.

Understanding God's ways essentially means understanding every

single aspect of everything. But, with effort and grace, the

impossible becomes possible.

Sincerely,

Venkatarama

vedic astrology, "monmuk111" <monmuk111>

wrote:

> Dear Gentlepeople:

>

> While we are on this topic, can someone please explain the events

> happening in current life attributed to past life karmas by

> astrologers and Hindu priests.

>

> Let's take a simple example. Say my wife cheats on me, robs me and

> runs away. I'm heartbroken by this so I run to an astrologer or a

> priest who tells me--"O' Mukund, this happened to you due to the

> curse of father from your prior life." Fine, I accpet this that

I'm

> cheated by my wife due to curse of father from prior life.

>

> Now, what confuses me is this--Will God PUNISH my current-life

wife

> for cheating me OR will God REWARD her for helping him (God)

carry

> out the curse of father from my prior life/inflicting punisment on

me

> for my prior life bad-karmas?

>

> Now, let's think logically like engineers--

>

> If the answer is that "God should/would PUNISH my current-life

wife

> for cheating me," then WHO would/could have been instrumental in

> giving me the results of my past-life bad karma?--someone has to

do

> this and why should this "someone" be punished for carrying out

the

> will of God himself?

>

> If the answer is that "God should REWARD my current-life wife for

> asstisting God in carrying out the curse of father or giving me

the

> fruits of my bad-karma from prior life," then why is our society

> punishing thiefs, rapists and murderers? Shouldn't they be set

free

> or be rewarded for assisting God in giving someone the fruits of

> prior life bad-karma? OR assisting God in carrying out the million

> different curses that the astrologers, seers and priests come up

with?

>

> The theory of karma and re-birth appears very sexy from afar, but

if

> I logically (un-emotionally) think about it, it doesn't make any

> sense at all.

>

> I've placed this very same scenario before some big-name Gurus,

> Maharisis, Bapus, Babas, Mata, Devis, Swamis, etc. etc. in India

and

> it confused them totally and the one answer they all came up with

was

> more or less this--"Bacche Bhagwan Ki Leela ko Janna Asambhave

Hai,"

> translated into English--"Child, it's immpossible to understand

God's

> ways."

>

> Well, if it is immpossible to understand God's ways, then why do

we

> have this theory of Karma and re-birth? Why are we all here on

this

> board? What is the use of studying and believing Vedic Astrology

> which is based primarily on karma (current and prior life) and

fruits

> of such karmas?

>

> My intent is not to offend Hindus--I'm myself a practising Hindu--

> born and raised. I just want to understand "karma, re-birth and

> fruits of my actions in prior life."

>

> I'm hoping I don't get the same "standard" answer I got from the

fake

> God-men and God-women I've grilled in past on this subject.

>

> Thanks.

> Mukund

>

> vedic astrology, Jatin Prakash

> <jatinprakash> wrote:

> > dear parthasarathy,

> > why don't you list all your 200

> > past lives and perhaps do some astrlogical analysis if

> > possible so that we come to know what forms a soul

> > takes in each life to learn.

> > it will be a great reading at least for some.

> > JP

> > --- venkatarama_sastry <venkatarama_sastry>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Partha,

> > >

> > > Again, you amaze me! In addition to being a darn

> > > good astrologer,

> > > you are also a very perceptive person.

> > >

> > > You said "Once you see the past, you know why are

> > > you suffering ,

> > > why you are a victim without any apparent cause."

> > > You hit the mail

> > > onthe head, when you say that, since that is the

> > > crux of what I am

> > > trying to get at. I intutively want to believe that

> > > there is justice

> > > and fairness in the world, and often that is not

> > > demonstrated in a

> > > single lifetime. That is why the theory of Karma and

> > > reincarnation

> > > appeals to me so much, since that fits this

> > > hypothesis, and

> > > astrology as well as past life regressions are the

> > > "proof". But, as

> > > you said, unless one encounters the truth ....

> > >

> > > Yes, I know what my purpose in life is, at the

> > > highest level. It is

> > > the same as everyone else's, to attain the One

> > > perfect state. The

> > > Sanskrit word "smriti" sums it up so nicely, since

> > > this is not

> > > something that we need to go out and "find", but

> > > just something

> > > to "remember" (smriti means that which is

> > > remembered)

> > >

> > > I also know my purpose in life at the practical

> > > level. That is to

> > > live a dharmic life as you put it, and to take care

> > > of my husband,

> > > children, parents etc. "Mano - Vaak - Kaaya - Karma"

> > > - dedication to

> > > the Lord in the mind, in speech, with my physical

> > > body and with my

> > > actions. This encompasses all the traditional

> > > virtues, like

> > > compassion, generosity, truth, ahimsa etc.

> > >

> > > The problem is, I don't know how to bridge the two,

> > > go from this

> > > practical level to the highest level. I am hoping to

> > > understand this

> > > from the study of astrology.

> > >

> > > Your quote from Tagore, "Thank you GOd, for not

> > > fullfilling my

> > > > silly wishes" made me smile! Ah, I wish I knew

> > > this earlier!! When

> > > I had a lot of problems after 2 years of marraige

> > > and was seperated

> > > for a while, I performed pooja (Japa) for the

> > > continuence of the

> > > marriage, as instructed by the priests. Long story

> > > short, it worked,

> > > and my marriage lasted..... for 11 more miserable

> > > years of abuse and

> > > cheating!! The good lord had provided a way for me

> > > to escape all of

> > > that, after just 2 years of suffering, but idiot

> > > that I was, I had

> > > to go pray for its extension for the full 13 years

> > > of agony :-).

> > > Also, I prayed hard for that marriage to last, but

> > > my true happiness

> > > came from my second marriage that I did not even

> > > dream about!! God

> > > certainly moves in mysterious ways, and takes care

> > > of his devotees

> > > in one way or the other. My mother had a similar

> > > experience with

> > > prayers. After years of wishing to have a daughter,

> > > after having

> > > sons, she undertook prayer to Goddess Lalitha. She

> > > started this

> > > prayer on the first Friday of Dusara in 1966, and I

> > > was born on the

> > > first Friday of the Dusara of 1967. Later, unable to

> > > see me suffer

> > > in that marriage, she regretted that wish!! Now, I

> > > am trying to stop

> > > asking for specifics when I pray :-). After two

> > > layoffs in two

> > > years, my present job is in jeoprady again, and I am

> > > trying hard to

> > > say, "Dear Krishna, don't go by what I want, do what

> > > you think is

> > > best". It is so hard to stop making silly wishes :-)

> > > thank goodness

> > > He does not fulfil all of them.

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > > Venkatarama

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "V.Partha

> > > sarathy"

> > > <partvinu5> wrote:

> > > > Dear Venkatrama

> > > >

> > > > Seeing is believing. Unless one encounters the

> > > truth himself,

> > > there

> > > > is no scope for understanding the purpose.

> > > > Jyotish provides and excellent tool to find out

> > > what was the

> > > person

> > > > in last birth, what is his purpose in this birth

> > > etc. But how

> > > would

> > > > one believe?, Belief can come only with realised

> > > knowledge. Now i

> > > may

> > > > say that your purpose is to lead a dharmic life,

> > > and read vedas,

> > > how

> > > > do i know or you know that this is real.

> > > >

> > > > I am not sticking to astrology here, as i

> > > understand that this is

> > > a

> > > > sticky wicket. Now when Pt.Rath told me about my

> > > past life, he

> > > > actually did not tell,but gave me useful hints, i

> > > could understand

> > > > the Phobias that i had. Now all the people may not

> > > have irrational

> > > > fears, or fears that can be classified as Phobia.

> > > So i was lucky

> > > to

> > > > have a phobia, otherwise how would i believe

> > > Pt.Rath's words.

> > > >

> > > > Now It was fine for some time, but then i thought

> > > that may be i

> > > had a

> > > > fear for only sometime, i started disbelieving

> > > again. But then i

> > > went

> > > > for a past life regression, where i saw some 200

> > > past lives. I saw

> > > in

> > > > one past life, i was murdered in a market place.

> > > Probably it is my

> > > > immediate past life, because i had this irrational

> > > fear of

> > > > strangers , crowds and marketplaces which was

> > > correctly pointed

> > > out

> > > > by Pt.Rath.

> > > >

> > > > One can erase the past with the agni of third eye.

> > > Once you see

> > > the

> > > > past, you know why are you suffering , why you are

> > > a victim

> > > without

> > > > any apparent cause. Many people have deaths in

> > > their families, and

> > > > also suffer from peculiar diseases. They curse

> > > themselves as they

> > > > dont understand why they are suffering. The only

> > > way is to either

> > > > have "beleif" in a great astrologer words, or may

> > > be go for a past

> > > > life regression, or a deep meditative state.

> > > >

> > > > Then only you can know the purpose,

> > > >

> > > > There is only one purpose that all of us have

> > > really, that is to

> > > go

> > > > back to kingdom of heaven. But we keep pushing

> > > ourselves against

> > > the

> > > > walls of time, keep amassing wealth, continue

> > > listening to our

> > > well

> > > > meaning parents, who want us to have material

> > > success. I am really

> > > > lucky that my father always gave me 100%

> > > independence. Even i

> > > failed,

> > > > or even if i passed in my exams, in the trials and

> > > tribulations of

> > > > life, he simaply smiled. If i asked him can i skip

> > > Eamcet and IIT

> > > > jee, he said "Nee ishtam(As you wish)". Giving so

> > > much freedom to

> > > a

> > > > 16 year old is not heard these days. So i was

> > > lucky not to be

> > > pushed

> > >

> > === message truncated ===

> >

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June 21, 2004

Hi Mukund -

To answer your question of "what if" your wife hadn’t cheated you, let us

consider the different types of karma. Sanchita Karma is all “accumulated”

karma so far, the total cosmic debt that will fructify either in this life or

in a future life. There is Prarabdha karma, which is that portion of your

“sanchita karma” that is being worked out in this life. Prarabdha karma once

worked out is taken out of your karmic balance. Prarabdha karma can be of

different intensities as well (some of them you have to experience, some others

you can come to terms with without actually having to experience, etc). Then

there is kriyamana karma which is something that is currently being created and

which is either meted out in this life or some future birth. So to answer your

question, if you lucked out by having a good life in this life, maybe that

karma may catch up with you in a future life.

How does one satisfy all his/her karma? The Bhagvad Gita says one can achieve

this acting without being motivated by the fruits of one’s actions. If one is

able to achieve this one can stop accruing karma. The present karma may not be

fully washed out in one life, which is why it may not be entirely possible to

attain moksha in one life time, however those karmic less actions would have

definitely taken you closer to god.

Well again you assume that you will cease to exist if you start doing the right

things. I guess it’s not entirely true, because there have been self realized

souls in this Kali Yuga – such as Vivekanada, Srila Prabhupada, etc. So may not

be entirely impossible. Also, if one would like to be ambitious and want to rise

in one’s company etc, then maybe moksha is not what their priority is. Which is

fine also, maybe in some future life. For now, just accrue good karma, so that

atleast one can get better opportunities in the future and will be actually

able to satisfy one’s desire of being bill gates for example.

- Jai

md <monmuk111 > wrote:

Hello Jai:Very well written and said. I'll re-read your note andtry to

understand it better.It appears that the key is that God is not controllingthe

karma of humans but their own maya is. So, thismeans that God didn't make my

ex-wife cheat me, butshe acted on her own accord and she has nowaccumulated a

karmic burden that she'll need tofulfill.Whereas, I on other hand fulfilled

karmic burden inform of father's curse or some other curse when myex-wife

cheated me.Now, I don't mean to nag you, but if my wife hadchosen NOT to cheat

me/cheat on me, then what would have happened to the father's curse--I would

neverhave been punished when I deserved to be punishedbased on my karma in

prior-life.And, when does the interactive plot of cross-karmicburdens end? How

does one get done

paying/repentingfor his bad karma and stop being re-born? And, is sucha thing

possible--In kali-yug, we began our day withsins and end our day with

sins--even minor sins likelying in the office about traffic-jam when in

reailtyI overslept.If I attempt to live a sin-free life, I'd cease toexist in

today's day and age--I'd be on the streets. Ihave to be aggressive, ambitious,

calculating,scheming, etc. etc. IF NOT, someone else will schememe out of my

job/promotion. It's a vicious circle, howcan one rise above all this without

running away intothe mountains and living on berries and fruits andsleeping in

a cave. And, if all of use took this"mountain" route, soon there will be

overcrowding inthe forests and people will began black-marketing

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June 21, 2004

Hello Jai:

Again very well-said, how do you know so much? And, you've explained

things so simplistically, your langauge and style appeals to the

inquiring mind.

I wish our Indian God-men and God-women spoke this clearly rather

than dish out some mumbo-jumbo garbage for hours and hours over the

loud-speakers.

The Karma and re-birth theory now makes sense to me. Offcourse, I'll

have to re-read your notes and attempt to understand them in context

of existing in the world these days.

I know I'll get confused again some time later--I recall a member

named Dr. Satya located in Australia had explained this to us so well

in past, he hasn't posted here lately.

So Jai I'm confused already, how would you explain the thugs chopping

off arms of little kids in some civil-war torn country in Africa

(Hutus Vs. Tutsis). I understand that the thugs who are chopping off

arms of little kids are accruing some serious bad karma, but how

about the little kid who doesn't even understand right from wrong???

Would you say that the kid who looses his arms (voilently) is paying

for a karmic burden from his prior life? And, this happened to

thousands and thousands of kids SO how would you explain so many

people with SIMILAR karmic burden in the same geographical place? --

Jai, this is a genuine inquiry, I'm not playing devil's advocate.--

see, I'm confused already.

I wish all of what you're explaining now was taught in the Indian

schools, we need some infusion of our religion and philosophy in

schools. With these goddammed Congressis in power, it will never

happen.

Mukund

vedic astrology, j balagopal <jbalagop>

wrote:

>

> Hi Mukund -

>

> To answer your question of "what if" your wife hadn't cheated you,

let us consider the different types of karma. Sanchita Karma is

all "accumulated" karma so far, the total cosmic debt that will

fructify either in this life or in a future life. There is Prarabdha

karma, which is that portion of your "sanchita karma" that is being

worked out in this life. Prarabdha karma once worked out is taken out

of your karmic balance. Prarabdha karma can be of different

intensities as well (some of them you have to experience, some others

you can come to terms with without actually having to experience,

etc). Then there is kriyamana karma which is something that is

currently being created and which is either meted out in this life or

some future birth. So to answer your question, if you lucked out by

having a good life in this life, maybe that karma may catch up with

you in a future life.

>

> How does one satisfy all his/her karma? The Bhagvad Gita says one

can achieve this acting without being motivated by the fruits of

one's actions. If one is able to achieve this one can stop accruing

karma. The present karma may not be fully washed out in one life,

which is why it may not be entirely possible to attain moksha in one

life time, however those karmic less actions would have definitely

taken you closer to god.

>

> Well again you assume that you will cease to exist if you start

doing the right things. I guess it's not entirely true, because there

have been self realized souls in this Kali Yuga – such as Vivekanada,

Srila Prabhupada, etc. So may not be entirely impossible. Also, if

one would like to be ambitious and want to rise in one's company etc,

then maybe moksha is not what their priority is. Which is fine also,

maybe in some future life. For now, just accrue good karma, so that

atleast one can get better opportunities in the future and will be

actually able to satisfy one's desire of being bill gates for

example.

>

> - Jai

>

> md <monmuk111> wrote:

> Hello Jai:

>

> Very well written and said. I'll re-read your note and

> try to understand it better.

>

> It appears that the key is that God is not controlling

> the karma of humans but their own maya is. So, this

> means that God didn't make my ex-wife cheat me, but

> she acted on her own accord and she has now

> accumulated a karmic burden that she'll need to

> fulfill.

>

> Whereas, I on other hand fulfilled karmic burden in

> form of father's curse or some other curse when my

> ex-wife cheated me.

>

> Now, I don't mean to nag you, but if my wife had

> chosen NOT to cheat me/cheat on me, then what would

> have happened to the father's curse--I would never

> have been punished when I deserved to be punished

> based on my karma in prior-life.

>

> And, when does the interactive plot of cross-karmic

> burdens end? How does one get done paying/repenting

> for his bad karma and stop being re-born? And, is such

> a thing possible--In kali-yug, we began our day with

> sins and end our day with sins--even minor sins like

> lying in the office about traffic-jam when in reailty

> I overslept.

>

> If I attempt to live a sin-free life, I'd cease to

> exist in today's day and age--I'd be on the streets. I

> have to be aggressive, ambitious, calculating,

> scheming, etc. etc. IF NOT, someone else will scheme

> me out of my job/promotion. It's a vicious circle, how

> can one rise above all this without running away into

> the mountains and living on berries and fruits and

> sleeping in a cave. And, if all of use took this

> "mountain" route, soon there will be overcrowding in

> the forests and people will began black-marketing the

> caves.

>

> Thanks.

> Mukund

>

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June 21, 2004

Hello Mukun Bhai :

As you have mentioned about the kids being chopped off in Warn torn

countries, I will give an example of my good friend whose 4 yr old

kid and his Mother passed away in an Road Accident in Australia.. The

Car was driven by his father and my friend he lost his balance and

overturn the car on Highway.. Now people would say what happened to

Seat Belts , but see the Anhonee here the GrandMother and Kid were

sitting together and they had a seat belt till they stopped near a

Gas Station for refreshment and after that they removed their seat

belt for a moment and this thing happened..

I used to play with the 4 yr old whenever i went to his house, So now

next question arises what wrong did that 4 yr old kid do in this life

time ????????? Practically NOTHING !!!!!!! will be everyone's

Answer !!!

BUT WHAT ABOUT HIS PREVIOUS LIVES ????? DO WE KNOW THAT ????? WE DONT

BECAUSE THE HUMAN FORM FORGETS ABOUT PREVIOUS LIVES BUT SOUL

REMEMBERS !!! SO YOU NEED TO GO DEEP INSIDE TO FIND ABOUT YOUR

PREVIOUS LIVES ??? WHICH MAY BE POSSIBLE IN THIS LIFE OR MAY NOT

BE !!!!

YOU MAY HAVE TO TAKE REBIRTH AGAIN TO FIND TRUE MEANING !!!!!

NOW I AM SAYING DUE TO MY OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCES AND BLESSINGS OF

GOD/GURU

This is such a deep topic... MAN TRIES TO FIND OUT THESE WHEN

SOMETHING WRONG HAPPENS IN HIS LIFE(for eg : wife cheating/US VISA

rejection :)/failure in examination) OTHERERWISE HE JUST FORGETS

ABOUT GOD AND TRUE MEANING...

As this such a huge topic we can go on and on !!!! My Theory is just

do GOOD KARMA !!!!!!

Kind Regards

Abhijeet

vedic astrology, "monmuk111" <monmuk111>

wrote:

> Hello Jai:

>

> Again very well-said, how do you know so much? And, you've

explained

> things so simplistically, your langauge and style appeals to the

> inquiring mind.

>

> I wish our Indian God-men and God-women spoke this clearly rather

> than dish out some mumbo-jumbo garbage for hours and hours over the

> loud-speakers.

>

> The Karma and re-birth theory now makes sense to me. Offcourse,

I'll

> have to re-read your notes and attempt to understand them in

context

> of existing in the world these days.

>

> I know I'll get confused again some time later--I recall a member

> named Dr. Satya located in Australia had explained this to us so

well

> in past, he hasn't posted here lately.

>

> So Jai I'm confused already, how would you explain the thugs

chopping

> off arms of little kids in some civil-war torn country in Africa

> (Hutus Vs. Tutsis). I understand that the thugs who are chopping

off

> arms of little kids are accruing some serious bad karma, but how

> about the little kid who doesn't even understand right from

wrong???

> Would you say that the kid who looses his arms (voilently) is

paying

> for a karmic burden from his prior life? And, this happened to

> thousands and thousands of kids SO how would you explain so many

> people with SIMILAR karmic burden in the same geographical place? --

> Jai, this is a genuine inquiry, I'm not playing devil's advocate.--

> see, I'm confused already.

>

> I wish all of what you're explaining now was taught in the Indian

> schools, we need some infusion of our religion and philosophy in

> schools. With these goddammed Congressis in power, it will never

> happen.

>

> Mukund

>

> vedic astrology, j balagopal <jbalagop>

> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Mukund -

> >

> > To answer your question of "what if" your wife hadn't cheated

you,

> let us consider the different types of karma. Sanchita Karma is

> all "accumulated" karma so far, the total cosmic debt that will

> fructify either in this life or in a future life. There is

Prarabdha

> karma, which is that portion of your "sanchita karma" that is being

> worked out in this life. Prarabdha karma once worked out is taken

out

> of your karmic balance. Prarabdha karma can be of different

> intensities as well (some of them you have to experience, some

others

> you can come to terms with without actually having to experience,

> etc). Then there is kriyamana karma which is something that is

> currently being created and which is either meted out in this life

or

> some future birth. So to answer your question, if you lucked out by

> having a good life in this life, maybe that karma may catch up with

> you in a future life.

> >

> > How does one satisfy all his/her karma? The Bhagvad Gita says one

> can achieve this acting without being motivated by the fruits of

> one's actions. If one is able to achieve this one can stop accruing

> karma. The present karma may not be fully washed out in one life,

> which is why it may not be entirely possible to attain moksha in

one

> life time, however those karmic less actions would have definitely

> taken you closer to god.

> >

> > Well again you assume that you will cease to exist if you start

> doing the right things. I guess it's not entirely true, because

there

> have been self realized souls in this Kali Yuga – such as

Vivekanada,

> Srila Prabhupada, etc. So may not be entirely impossible. Also, if

> one would like to be ambitious and want to rise in one's company

etc,

> then maybe moksha is not what their priority is. Which is fine

also,

> maybe in some future life. For now, just accrue good karma, so that

> atleast one can get better opportunities in the future and will be

> actually able to satisfy one's desire of being bill gates for

> example.

> >

> > - Jai

> >

> > md <monmuk111> wrote:

> > Hello Jai:

> >

> > Very well written and said. I'll re-read your note and

> > try to understand it better.

> >

> > It appears that the key is that God is not controlling

> > the karma of humans but their own maya is. So, this

> > means that God didn't make my ex-wife cheat me, but

> > she acted on her own accord and she has now

> > accumulated a karmic burden that she'll need to

> > fulfill.

> >

> > Whereas, I on other hand fulfilled karmic burden in

> > form of father's curse or some other curse when my

> > ex-wife cheated me.

> >

> > Now, I don't mean to nag you, but if my wife had

> > chosen NOT to cheat me/cheat on me, then what would

> > have happened to the father's curse--I would never

> > have been punished when I deserved to be punished

> > based on my karma in prior-life.

> >

> > And, when does the interactive plot of cross-karmic

> > burdens end? How does one get done paying/repenting

> > for his bad karma and stop being re-born? And, is such

> > a thing possible--In kali-yug, we began our day with

> > sins and end our day with sins--even minor sins like

> > lying in the office about traffic-jam when in reailty

> > I overslept.

> >

> > If I attempt to live a sin-free life, I'd cease to

> > exist in today's day and age--I'd be on the streets. I

> > have to be aggressive, ambitious, calculating,

> > scheming, etc. etc. IF NOT, someone else will scheme

> > me out of my job/promotion. It's a vicious circle, how

> > can one rise above all this without running away into

> > the mountains and living on berries and fruits and

> > sleeping in a cave. And, if all of use took this

> > "mountain" route, soon there will be overcrowding in

> > the forests and people will began black-marketing the

> > caves.

> >

> > Thanks.

> > Mukund

> >

> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

>

> >

> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu ||

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> >

> > om tat sat

June 21, 2004

Obviously, i'm not god's messenger or anything so i'll have to play the devil's

advocate here and it's purely speculation. It is said that prabandha karma

causes a person to be born in a specific situation. Which means it is the one

that set's the stage for the present birth. So if a whole bunch of little kids'

arms were getting chopped off, maybe those souls needed to pay with the loss of

their arms, and since the stage is already set in countries where such things

are rampant, souls that have to go through that incident are being born there,

etc. Just speculation, but it's not impossible to explain either. Similarly,

people dying from an airplane crash, etc, maybe such prabandha karma binds such

people to such locations at those times.

- Jaimonmuk111 <monmuk111 > wrote:

Hello Jai:Again very well-said, how do you know so much? And, you've explained

things so simplistically, your langauge and style appeals to the inquiring

mind. I wish our Indian God-men and God-women spoke this clearly rather than

dish out some mumbo-jumbo garbage for hours and hours over the

loud-speakers.The Karma and re-birth theory now makes sense to me. Offcourse,

I'll have to re-read your notes and attempt to understand them in context of

existing in the world these days.I know I'll get confused again some time

later--I recall a member named Dr. Satya located in Australia had explained

this to us so well in past, he hasn't posted here lately.So Jai I'm confused

already, how would you explain the thugs chopping off arms of little kids in

some civil-war torn country in Africa (Hutus Vs. Tutsis). I

understand that the thugs who are chopping off arms of little kids are accruing

some serious bad karma, but how about the little kid who doesn't even

understand right from wrong??? Would you say that the kid who looses his arms

(voilently) is paying for a karmic burden from his prior life? And, this

happened to thousands and thousands of kids SO how would you explain so many

people with SIMILAR karmic burden in the same geographical place? --Jai, this

is a genuine inquiry, I'm not playing devil's advocate.--see, I'm confused

already.I wish all of what you're explaining now was taught in the Indian

schools, we need some infusion of our religion and philosophy in schools. With

these goddammed Congressis in power, it will never happen. Mukund--- In

vedic astrology, j balagopal wrote:> > Hi Mukund - > > > > To

answer your question of "what if"

your wife hadn't cheated you, let us consider the different types of karma.

Sanchita Karma is all "accumulated" karma so far, the total cosmic debt that

will fructify either in this life or in a future life. There is Prarabdha

karma, which is that portion of your "sanchita karma" that is being worked out

in this life. Prarabdha karma once worked out is taken out of your karmic

balance. Prarabdha karma can be of different intensities as well (some of them

you have to experience, some others you can come to terms with without actually

having to experience, etc). Then there is kriyamana karma which is something

that is currently being created and which is either meted out in this life or

some future birth. So to answer your question, if you lucked out by having a

good life in this life, maybe that karma may catch up with you in a future

life. > > > > How does one satisfy all his/her karma? The Bhagvad Gita

says one can achieve this acting without being motivated by the fruits of one's

actions. If one is able to achieve this one can stop accruing karma. The

present karma may not be fully washed out in one life, which is why it may not

be entirely possible to attain moksha in one life time, however those karmic

less actions would have definitely taken you closer to god. > > > Well again

you assume that you will cease to exist if you start doing the right things. I

guess it's not entirely true, because there have been self realized souls in

this Kali Yuga – such as Vivekanada, Srila Prabhupada, etc. So may not be

entirely impossible. Also, if one would like to be ambitious and want to rise

in one's company etc, then maybe moksha is not what their priority is. Which is

fine also, maybe in some future life. For now, just accrue good karma, so that

atleast one can get better opportunities in the future and will be

actually able to satisfy one's desire of being bill gates for example. > > -

Jai> > > > md wrote:> Hello Jai:> > Very well written and said. I'll re-read

your note and> try to understand it better.> > It appears that the key is that

God is not controlling> the karma of humans but their own maya is. So, this>

means that God didn't make my ex-wife cheat me, but> she acted on her own

accord and she has now> accumulated a karmic burden that she'll need to>

fulfill.> > Whereas, I on other hand fulfilled karmic burden in> form of

father's curse or some other curse when my> ex-wife cheated me.> > Now, I don't

mean to nag you, but if my wife had> chosen NOT to cheat me/cheat on me, then

what would > have happened to the father's curse--I would never> have been

punished when I deserved to

be punished> based on my karma in prior-life.> > And, when does the interactive

plot of cross-karmic> burdens end? How does one get done paying/repenting> for

his bad karma and stop being re-born? And, is such> a thing possible--In

kali-yug, we began our day with> sins and end our day with sins--even minor

sins like> lying in the office about traffic-jam when in reailty> I overslept.>

> If I attempt to live a sin-free life, I'd cease to> exist in today's day and

age--I'd be on the streets. I> have to be aggressive, ambitious, calculating,>

scheming, etc. etc. IF NOT, someone else will scheme> me out of my

job/promotion. It's a vicious circle, how> can one rise above all this without

running away into> the mountains and living on berries and fruits and> sleeping

in a cave. And, if all of use took this> "mountain" route, soon there will be

overcrowding

in> the forests and people will began black-marketing the> caves.> > Thanks.>

Mukund > > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> >

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||OM KLEEM KRISHNAAYA JAGANNATHAYA SWAHA ||

Dear Mukund,

Sorry I could not respons earlier because of some

domestic preoccupation.

Your question is very thought provoking, but while

thinking on that I realised you have answered the

question yourself. Just try to ask the question in

the following way and you will find the answer

yourself.

1. If a warrior while fighting a war kills so many

innocent lives. Will he be punished by gods because

he has killed so many people and there by facing

wrath/curse of the families that have lost their

dear/near ones???

2. What will happen to a prostitute who significantly

breakes several families, but satisfies the

customers??

I have just now started reading the Gita as translated

by Shri Bhakti vedanta Prabhupada, and I could co

relate your questions to several things . by writing

what I think on that basis will be a non astrological

contribution which , I don't intend to do.

Now coming to your question, What is the purpose of

one in this life going through the

Enjoyments/sufferings based on previous Karma. I would

like to tell that Guru Dev Sanjayji has very well

explained this in his VRA. He says The coming together

of the body(Lagna) , concious mind (Moon) and the Jiva

or Soul (Sun) is the life or Birth. since the soul is

trapped in the body it tries to rule the body with the

help of mind there by satisfying various senses in the

body. But is it its goal?? NO.

The AK in the chart takes the responsibility of

fulfilling what the soul desires. That is why one need

to look in to the planet which is in 12th from AK for

finding the real desire and reason for one's

existence.

Ke which do not have head has no desires. Hence Ke in

12th from AK guarantees Liberation(Moksha) which is

the desire /purpose of all Jivas. It is this planet

which helps one to identify the 'I'(Ego) in him and to

realise and identify the super soul (Parmatma) with in

him. Once you realise 'HIM' (god) in you the'I' gets

marginalised and the soul is emancipated. If the

planets like JU/Ke influences this then one is on the

path of devinity. But if planets like Sa, Ra are the

influencers then the soul gets trapped in the cycle of

birth and death.

What is the Moral/result?? ..

You will not be thinking whether the god will be

punishing this women who has cheated OR will be saying

I am doing the remedies as suggested but am still not

realised the fruits of it.

The remedies also will be felt when you beleive the

Guru who has suggested and also you are sincere in it.

If you perform remedies as a habbit like brushing or

bathing it will not bear the fruits.

It is great that you do something good like arranging

marriages for those who are in need etc, but it will

be even greater if you forget and forgive and move

on.. Lord Krishna advised Arjuna, do your duty without

expecting/aspiring for results. The reason for one to

suffer is to experience the difficulties/trauma which

one has inflicted in to othrts in the previous birth.

there are so many things I wanted to say, but would

like to stop for now.

Finally Mukund, If you feel that I have crossed my

limits, my sincere apologies and Please excuse me for

my intrusion.

I felt like comunicating this and would not like to

waste more time of others.. Please do read Guru deva's

books and every time I read I understan different

things.

with godd wishes and regards,

Lakshman

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June 22, 2004

Om Krishna Guru

Dear Balagopal,

Thanks for your postings. As you said some amount of speculation is

necessary.

Probably,we may not have to face the karmic effects, in the immediate

next life (another speculation).

Knowing, what is 'sanchita karma', one may excercise one's free will

to exhaust it. Sanchita karma will not go away just like that, unless

we conciously allow Satwa Guna to predominate... through prayers /

doing work without any desires.

Here 'Free will' is not coming in the way of experiencing Prarbdha

Karma, which is an arrow already shot, but helping us to tune in with

the cosmic intelligence by conscious efforts.

Scolars can share any of their ideas of identifying, Prarabdha and

Sanchita karma from the Horoscopes?

Best regards

Viswanadham