What classics say on Libra and Scorpio ( Some More)

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Dear Friends,

It is hoped that explanation given by Sri Narasimhaji would have

cleared doubts about Guhyang, Basti and Guda .

This is what is called real explanation.

Such clarity of thoughts seperate Men from Boys.

 

This being would like to add the following for benefit of all.

 

Tula in general denotes BASTI.

Further to Tula rasi ,

First Drekkana denotes Mukha,

Second Drekkana denotes Nabhi

Third Drekkana denotes feet (Not legs)

 

Vrischika in general denotes Guhyang (Reroductive organs incl. Anus)

First Drekkana of Vrischika Rasi denotes Left side of Jaw,

Second Drekkana denotes spleen and left side of stomach.

Third Dekkana denotes left leg.

 

( From Rashi Sheela Sarva Sangraha)

 

Uttara Kalamrita Chapter 5 sloka 12 says for 7th house,

 

"Retobhartrupavitradarayugalam, GUHYAM CHA MUNTRAM GUDAH:"

 

Look at the emphasis on Guhya cha mutram gudah. This may look

different from above but that is what Kalidasa has to say.

 

Tatvam-Asi

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

<pvr@c...> wrote:

> Namaste learned friends,

>

> Visti wrote:

>

> "As for sexual organs, Scorpio represents the private parts...

> this is not the sexual organs but the anus, which is hidden and

hence

> private - when ones mind is on sex then even private parts become

sexual

> organs!"

>

> Chandrashekhar ji wrote:

>

> "Your statement which I have made in bold types is utterly uncalled

for

> and crosses the boundaries of decency.Desist from such comments in

> future.They are not in good taste.

> As to what is 8th house, I wish some body takes pains to read BPHS

> Chapter 4 and Shloka3 and 4 before attributing something to

Parashara.I

> would like to know what is your English translation of Sanskrit word

> Basti and Guhya that are said to be the body parts of Kalapurusha

> represented by Tula and Vrishchika rasi by the Venerated Sage.

> Perhaps I am not as good at English as others, but I do not think

that

> Private parts does not refer to sexual organs.Perhaps some gentleman

> having good command over English language would like to comment."

>

> First some basic comments before I quote classics:

>

> (1) First, some simple logic. Visti said "which is hidden and hence

private" regarding anus. It is not just "anus" that is to be hidden

and to be kept private, but even genitals are to be hidden and to be

kept private. In fact, in all primal as well as advanced

civilizations, genitals are considered the most private body parts.

>

> (2) Chandrashekhar ji's indignation is quite understandable. He

made a scholarly point and did not deserve this kind of indecent

comment. As the moderator of this list, I warn Visti to maintain

decency and desist from writings that may be construed as slurs on

others. He probably did not mean it as a slur, but the comment is

uncalled for.

>

> Now, here are my views based on what classics say:

>

> (1) When associating signs with the body parts of Kala Purusha,

Parasara's BPHS uses the words "basti" and "guhya" regarding Libra

and Scorpio (respectively).

>

> Basti or vasti means the lower abdomen or bladder or pelvis. It by

no means means the genitals (assuming Visti means genitals by sexual

organs).

>

> On the other hand, guhya means "those that should be hidden".

Normally, this is thought to mean genitals.

>

> (2) The great Varahamihira in Brihajjatakam uses the words "vasti"

and "vyanjanam". Vasti is just another form of basti and means the

same. However, the word "vyanjanam" is less ambiguous than the

word "guhya" used by Parasara. It does not mean anus at all. Vyanjana

means the sign of sex. It means the signs that distinguish men and

women. Vyanjana is used to refer to male and female genitals (or sex

organs). So Varahamihira is quite clear on Scorpio standing for the

genitals of Kala purusha.

>

> (3) Kalyana Verma in Saravali uses the words "vasti" and "mehana"

for Libra and Scorpio respectively. Mehana means the organ of

copulation as well as the organ of urine. Again, it is quite clear.

>

> (4) Mantreswara in Phala Deepika used the words "vasti"

and "prajanana sthala". Janana means birth or creation. Prajanana

means procreation. Prajanana sthala means the area of procreation.

Again, the reference is clearly to sexual organs or the genitals and

not to anus.

>

> After looking at all the references, here are my consolidating two

cents:

>

> Each sign stands for several body parts. Scorpio indeed stands for

anus too, as Visti said. But, Visti is not correct in insisting that

Scorpio does not stand for genitals. The classics are quite clear

that Scorpio stands for genitals [too].

>

> Libra stands for kidneys and also some internal sexual organs that

are in the lower abdomen and in the pelvical triangle. These organs

produce some crucial materials needed for sexual activity. However,

the external sex organs (i.e. male/female genitals) are shown by

Scorpio. Visti is not correct and Chandrashekhar ji is correct.

>

> As I have given references from four respected classics, I hope

scholars will find my views acceptable.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

> List founder & administrator