Day of the week-some observations on nature

[Guest guest]

Dear Vinod

 

The fact that there are no weekdays has to be borne in mind.

 

There is only one day that is sunday, but these weekdays were

invented as they correspond to the various bhutas and chakras of

human being. We are eternally wrapped up in a never ending cycle of

time, which is actually Unreal.

 

Let me explain a bit. Now how do you know the time now, if there were

no watches in the world.

 

What is time, time is an unreal concept. The first assumption we make

is that the Sun is moving from one direction to another. Is it so?,

WHen the weather changes, when the climate oscillates we "know" that

it is greeshma ritu, or basanta ritu or hemanta ritu etc.

 

Now this naming again is unreal. What if i would have called tithi a

vara and vara a tithi?, Sometimes we get so deep into names, that we

actually forget the real purport for the same.

 

The Horas are based on the speed of planets. Now The fastest planet

is moon and the slowest is Saturn in our scheme of things. Thus the

Horas correspond to the "Speeds" of these planets.

 

Now you may ask, why Monday is called Monday, and why does it have

the first hora as moon.

 

The reason is very simple, all the weekdays and horas, and all our

shastras are purely based on empirical observations based on "Swara

Shastra".

 

Now if you are aware of Swara shastra, it is fine. But atleast its

basic knowledge is required to understand the fluctuating "cycles" of

human existence. The tithis, varas, karanas, yogas, masas, amantas,

all are purely based on deep observation of Nature. People are

energetic on certain days, on certain times based on their

constitution. This constitution is nothing but a conglomerate of the

unique Formula of Gyanendriyas and the Karmyendrias.

 

The names were found such as mangal, budha only because these names

were found suitable, or may be they were discovered by accident.

 

Now look at this, the name "RAMA" according to Katapayadi Varga comes

to 4. ( Ra-2, Ma-5, join them together 25, reverse them it is 52,

divide by 12, remainder is 4).

 

Now 4 is Karka Rasi. That is the lagna as well as chandra lagna for

Lord Rama!

 

There are different Vargas(Numerological methods) to find out what is

suitable and what is unsuitable for persons/institutions. The names

perfectly resonate with the atmosphere that is created.

 

Now let us look at PURI. Now PURI comes to 9(PU-1, Ri-2, 12, reverse

it , it is 21, divide by 12, remainder is 9)

 

Now 9 is dhanur rasi. This is the dharmic sign of Zodiac. Ofcourse i

know only one Secret Varga which is Katapayadi thanks to the Jaimini

sutras, which i use for observing nature. But i have heard that there

are many such vargas, which accurately correspond mathematics,

numbers, places and nature.

 

SO this is getting deep eh?

Best wishes

partha

 

 

vedic astrology, "Vinod" <vinod@v...> wrote:

> Pranaam,

>

> vedic astrology, "vishwanatham"

> <vishwanatham@r...> wrote:

> > If you can accept Mars as the tithi lord for ekadasi, i think you

> can

> > accept, Mars as the day ord for Tuesday as well!

>

> I understand the way hora lordships determing the ruling planet for

a

> given day.

>

> There seems to be circular logic in saying "Mars is the day lord for

> Tuesday". As you mentioned, the day of the week is the result of the

> lordship of the first hora in that day, not the other way around. So

> we can say "such and such day is Tuesday because the first hora in

> that day is ruled by Mars".

>

> Anyway, I think I haven't communicated my question properly.

>

> What we get from hora lordship is only the SEQUENCE of days. So if

on

> a particular day we start from the first hora after sunrise and

> arbitrarily assign Sun to be the ruler of that hora, then it follows

> that Moon rules first hora after sunrise on the next day, Mars the

> next day and so on.

>

> Now how can we decide which planet rules the first hora after

sunrise

> on a particular day WITHOUT referring to rulership on any previous

> day? My point is that we cannot because it is not based on any

> astronomical cycle.

>

> To give a more concrete example, why do we say that "June 16, 2004

is

> a Wednesday" or in other words, "First hora after sunrise on June

16,

> 2004 is ruled by Mercury"?

>

> The explanation based on horas would be "Because the first hora

after

> sunrise on June 15, 2004 was ruled by Mars" or equivalently "Because

> June 15, 2004 was a Tuesday".

>

> Now how did we determine ruling planet for June 15, 2004? Once again

> we have to resort to rulership on some previous day.

>

> My question and the original poster's question is : when did this

> count start and how was the rulership on that day determined?

>

> I think resolving this question is very important because of the

> emphasis placed on doing certain pujas/rituals on certain days based

> on planetary rulership on that day. I also saw some people using the

> planetary rulership based on weekday when making predictions or

> analysing an event.

>

> My point is that there is no astronomical cycle which has a period

of

> 7 days. So the determination of planetary rulership is completely

> arbitrary. But once we fix the rulership for a particular day, the

> rest of the days are fixed in relation to that day. That is, we

cannot

> determine that planetary rulership for a particular day without

> referring to rulership on some other day.

>

> The other issue here is the question of changing calendars. Are we

to

> assume that the weekday counting has continued uninterrupted from

time

> immemorial inspite of the numerous changes in calendar systems in

use?

> How come the weekdays in the various calendar systems in use today

> (vedic, western, islamic, etc.) match up correctly? It would

actually

> be very educative to go into history books to see what people

followed

> in earlier times.

>

> It is only because I have been unable to resolve these issues that I

> resorted to using tithi to determine planetary rulership for a

> particular day. Of coure this is also somewhat arbitrary because I

> don't have any explanation for how tithi rulerships were assigned.

But

> I take such data as first principles which are not questionable,

just

> as several other dictums in astrology.

>

> Using the principle of "Occam's razor" I try to find "solutions"

that

> require the least number of assumptions. If I use tithi's to decide

> lordships, I only have to make one assumption, namely the assigned

> lordships for various tithis. But if I go by weekday, I have to make

> several more assumptions including one about the count being

> maintained without breaks over millenia, which I find difficult to

do.

>

> I hope I have been able to make myself clear.

>

> As I mentioned in my previous email, the question might be of purely

> academic interest when it comes to doing puja/rituals for

propitiation

> of certain deities. After all if a person does puja on a particular

> day believing that it will propitiate a certain deity and has faith

in

> what he/she is doing, I believe that he/she will get the desired

> results.

>

> I would greatly appreciate if any of the Gurus could shed some light

> on this matter.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Vinod

[Guest guest]

Dear Partha,

 

Your explanation about names and the philosophy behind their origins

is definitely educative and enlightening.

 

But my question in this specific issue is not about names.

 

To use an analogy similar to the one you used, if we did not have any

calendars, could we tell what day it is today? My point is that the

weekday (Sunday, Monday, etc.) cannot be determined observationally,

wherease the tithi CAN be, by looking at the shape of the moon. Yes it

will necessarily be approximate, limited by the capabilities of human

vision, but we can still make a good estimate.

 

Determining the weekday requires that some reference point be fixed. I

haven't found if, how and when such a point was fixed in the past. As

such even if such a point was found, it appears to me that it would

have been arbitrary since there is no astronomical basis for it.

 

Again, my question is primarily of academic interest, and I have been

pondering over this for quite a while now. Please excuse my

persistence!

 

Sincerely,

 

Vinod

[Guest guest]

... hamsasso.aham ..

 

Dear Vinod,

 

Horas are determined on the basis of srishtyadi ahargana (number of

terrestrial days passed from the day of creation), with the first hora being

ruled by Surya. This calculation is pretty standard -- it forms the basis of

kaala bala for a horoscope. The calculations for sristyadi ahargana can be

found in Surya Siddhanta.

 

The astronomical reference point for weekday is the time of creation (This

is certainly an astronomical event). When modern astronomy is able to

pinpoint this time, we can double check the calculations of the rishis.

 

ajit

 

 

 

Vinod [vinod]

Thursday, June 17, 2004 8:23 AM

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] Re: Day of the week-some observations on nature

 

Dear Partha,

 

Your explanation about names and the philosophy behind their origins

is definitely educative and enlightening.

 

But my question in this specific issue is not about names.

 

To use an analogy similar to the one you used, if we did not have any

calendars, could we tell what day it is today? My point is that the

weekday (Sunday, Monday, etc.) cannot be determined observationally,

wherease the tithi CAN be, by looking at the shape of the moon. Yes it

will necessarily be approximate, limited by the capabilities of human

vision, but we can still make a good estimate.

 

Determining the weekday requires that some reference point be fixed. I

haven't found if, how and when such a point was fixed in the past. As

such even if such a point was found, it appears to me that it would

have been arbitrary since there is no astronomical basis for it.

 

Again, my question is primarily of academic interest, and I have been

pondering over this for quite a while now. Please excuse my

persistence!

 

Sincerely,

 

Vinod

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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