Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Share Posted July 6, 2004 |Hare Räma Kåñëa| Dear Vinay, Namaskar Why not just look at the chart to understand that? If the Upapada and its lord are strong, then you get married to that potential spouse. If it’s weak then the marriage does not happen. In this chart Bädhakeña-Moon is in the 7th house, that’s why he is yet to marry. Now if you see the Upapada lord its strong in Aquarius, but retrograde – pravrajya yoga, hence the partner constantly changes her mind, or runs away from the idea of marriage… but first he has to find the partner. Best wishes, bold">Visti Larsen color:#4E81C4"> visti (AT) (DOT) org font-family:Verdana;color:#4E81C4"> padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">patwardhanvinay [patwardhanvinay (AT) hotmail (DOT) com] 06 July 2004 14:39 To: vedic astrology Cc: saajik [vedic astrology] RE:-Re: RE:-RE(Pran and Saaji) 12.0pt"> 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:red">||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah|| font-family:Arial"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Dear Saaji, font-family:Arial"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">If u remember we have some discussion before on marriage!! 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Along with customs and traditions I think if two have mental , physical relations about a year then it's consider as an marriage from Mahabharta age!! Hence only I suggest in my previous mail to shift UL to 8th from there!! It's written in 3rd para!! So we are sailing in same direction!! :-) font-family:Arial"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Regarding marriage as per dharma and for dharma I ref D9!! If I rem correctly, for those marriage is just for lower desires and not for dharma we have to stick to rasi !! But when traditional marriage and role of dharma is to be played we should go to navmasa. Am I correct? Hence only I ask why Rahu has not given such marriage and i think this was native's intellect which neglect the marriage!! I think I 'd written on that also! font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">OK BigB!! font-family:Arial"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Any way waiting for results of an interview!! :-) 10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Regards, font-family:Arial"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Vinay font-family:Arial"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">============================================================================================================== 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue"> OH Your discussion is shifted to 4th house and Jup Dasa!! font-family:Arial"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Now regarding House if we look into D4 we see Jup is debilitated , placed in 3rd H and lord of 2,5H 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">3rd is 12th H to 4th and Jup is marak sthanadhipati (5th L) also to 3th in D4 and Sani is in 7th H (4th L also)with moon again exalted and 9th L! 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">I this points may also help!! font-family:Arial"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">One more question to Sri Pran , font-family:Arial"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">In Rahu dasa, home was provided by the company!! OR was it on ownership? font-family:Arial"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Regards, font-family:Arial"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Vinay font-family:Arial"> "saaji kulangara" <saajik> Tue Jul 6, 2004 3:31 pm Re: RE:-RE(Pran and Saaji) Om Subrahmanyaya Namah Dear Sri Pran, Should we blame Rahu or Jupiter for this situation? I think Jupiter is the problem here. Jupiter occupies benefic shadvargas, but is in a Rasi Sandhi, debilitated in Dasamsa and being 2nd L and Dhanakaraka he occupies the 6th(debts, diseases) aspected by Sani from 4th.(Shiva Sahasranaamam could have helped) From Moon he's in the 12th as 11th L. So the problem has been Dasa sandhi coupled with sadesati. (Evenif this happended in Rahu Dasa end, we may say that this is because of the problems he had to bear in Ju AD). Sani AD may be helpful in marriage and even though you clarified the points, I couldn't reconcile this :- ) Ofcourse predictions going wrong do not affect me, but in this matter, till I learn more I'll stand by what all I've written, atleast in a bit different context! Native's Sani AD will be good. He's a YK from Moon, and also occupies a kendra from Lagna/Moon and 11th from Jupiter. So the AD may help him recover from the situation he's in. Thereafter Me AD should be even more better. Since an exalted 9th Lord Moon occupies the 7th, and the 7th lord from Moon, Mars occupies the 2nd, the native can gain through marriage also. Maharshi Parasara, whose words are beyond question, says recitation of Shiva Sahasranaamam can reduce the evils in Ju AD. Best Wishes, Saaji vedic astrology, PNRazdan <pnrazdan> wrote: > I am thnakful to friends Saaji, Vinay and Sanjeev for their efforts to > study the horoscope of the Jatak I had posted on the site. The > unanimous assessment of everybody seems to be that the coming Sat AD in > Jup MD should bring in the marriage. > Let me tell you something more about the Jatak. An extremely brilliant > computer engineer, he is in USA for the last 14 years and has seen the > best of his time in his life, career etc in the Rahu dasa. But once the > dasa was over, it took away everything-quite expected of this planet. > So the question raised by Anil is really pertinent as to why the > marriage didnot comeup in this dasa when everything else did come. And > this question has been raised earlier too. > Presently the jatak is almost houseless and penniless.And also having > health problems (Jupiter in 6th?) I am not sure how his 4th house is > going to help him in getting a house etc. Text books say that in a > scorpio lagan, saturn is helpful. And being in own house all the more > reason. But my experience with Saturn owning houses is not always as > written in text books. And Rahu again aspects this house. > Pran Razdan > --- saaji kulangara <saajik> wrote: > > Hi Vinay, > > > > At least in my view, your doubts are not unfound. Moon in the 7th > > that > > too an exalted 9th Lord is good for an early marriage, provided > > other combinations are supportive. And the distance between Lagna and > > > > 7th Lord to some extent determine whether the marriage is early or > > delayed. This is the same both from Lagna and Moon. > > (Sasankalagnopagataihi). And then the 7th Lord and karaka, Venus (both > > same) in common sign indicate more than one marriage, and also a > > strong Kuja Dosha. For more than one marriage one should marry first > > and then that should break. What you say? The combination in the 8th > > (marriage thread) is not good for happiness in marriage, although > > that being Lagna and 7th Lords show good bond between the partners. > > (I gave a hint in the last line in the first para in my earlier post) > > > > This is the way I looked in this chart! > > > > BTW, How was your interview? > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Saaji > > > > > > vedic astrology, "patwardhanvinay" > > <patwardhanvinay@h...> wrote: > > > ||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah|| > > > > > > Dear Saaji and Shri Pran, > > > > > > I just see Saaji's self expainatory mail on List and besides the > > point given by you I'll like to add just few cents with my limited > > kowledge. > > > > > > It's interesting why Rahu has not given a marriage a native !! Can > > learned members throw some light on this!! > > > I think Rahu is in 12th from pakka lagna in navmasa and 8th from > > UL,AL might be the reasons can Guru's or learned members throw some > > more light so as all of us will get benefited!! > > > > > > Initially in Rasi Chart 2nd from UL is aspected by Mars+Ven+Rahu > > combination from Dual rasi 8th H! So I think if we adopt Mahabharat > > way we should progress UL to 8th from there and accordingly!! > > > > > > For Rahu MD Rahu even though with Ven, causes obstructing argala to > > > > 7th H in D9 and placed in 12th H to Lagna lord (Sun ) and 7th lord > > (Sat)! > > > His full dasa goes in neglecting the marriage. and no need to > > explain Ven+rahu!! > > > > > > Now Guru MD starts and Guru is in 5th H aspecting 1st house with > > sun + Sat (1+7 Lords) So his MD may give him marriage!! > > > Now Sat AD is about to start and Sat is 7th Lord plus aspecting 7th > > > > and causing argala on 7th H in D9 so his AD can surely give a > > marriage. > > > Now if we go to Pratyantar Sat/Mer both are capable to give > > marriage but i think mer is stronger . > > > > > > So I think auspisious time to get married for native is just > > ahead!! > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Vinay Patwardhan > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ------------ > > > > > > "saaji kulangara" <saajik> > > > Mon Jul 5, 2004 4:28 pm > > > Re > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Subrahmanyaya Namah > > > hari Om > > > > > > Dear Sri Pran, > > > > > > As far as my little knowledge in Astrology goes, marriage has > > > > to > > > be seen from 7th house, 7th Lord and the karaka, Venus. Here > > in this > > > case Jup 5th Lord joins the 7th house in Bhava which is not > > good for > > > marriage and the 7th Lord and Karaka, both, Venus is heavily > > > afflicted in the 8th by Mars and Rahu.Sani aspects Lagna. > > From Moon > > > also 7th lord is afflicted and occupies 8th. Yet, Moon is > > strongly > > > placed in the 7th, Lagna and 7th Lords are joined and they > > both > > > occupy a dual sign. > > > > > > I also go with your analysis. Shani AD is to start, and he > > aspects > > > the 7th from Moon. He's in UL. He's going to transit the 3rd > > from > > > Moon, 9th from Lagna. In the Navamsa also his transit is on > > the 7th > > > from Moon being Lagna Lord.(Marriage can happen when Lagna > > Lord > > > transits the 7th house). Jupiter's transit also very > > favourable. > > > Hence there is a good chance for marriage in the coming > > Saturn AD, > > > especially before Ju moves on to Libra. > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > Saaji > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "pnrazdan" > > <pnrazdan> > > > wrote: > > > > Om Shri Ganeshay Namah > > > > On the eve of my joining this holy group of Astrologists, > > my pranams > > > > to all the readers and to this great knowlege inherited by > > us from > > > our > > > > sages. > > > > A little introduction. I am a Statistician by profession > > retired > > > from > > > > Govt service. My interest in astrology began five years > > back in USA > > > > where our cultural knowledge is better respected and > > preserved. From > > > > Western astrology, I shifted to Jyotish. I look forward to > > reading > > > > healthy discussions and valuable contributions from all of > > you on > > > > this site. > > > > I have a scorpio born subject (born 2nd August 1964 14.22 > > pm at > > > > Srinagar Kashmir 34N05,74E49) whose seventh lord venus is > > in eigth > > > > house with rahu and mars in close proximity. No aspect to > > 7th house. > > > > The jatak is still unmarried even having past forty years. > > Is there > > > > any hope of marriage? I see some encouraging sign from 9th > > lord > > > > exalted in 7th house. I dont know whether it will overrule > > the Venus > > > > dosha? If so when would be the probable date? Jatak is > > running his > > > > Jupiter dasha with Saturn bukhti in late Nov this year. > > Saturn is > > > > powerful in its own house in 4th. Can this help? > > > > Regards, > > > > Pran Razdan > > > > Gurgaon > > Archives: vedic astrology To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || color:#003399;font-weight:bold"> Attachment: (image/jpeg) image001.jpg [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Share Posted July 6, 2004 Dear Vinay. You have given a fair deal of introspection to the chart. Your point about Rahu was constantly pricking me and I did some more enquiries about the jatak and found that he actually was living with a girl for several months sometime in 1996 proposing to marry her. But somehow the marriage did not materialise later. This period corresponds to Rahu/Venus dasa of the chart.That establishes Rahu's benevolence being in its mooltrikona. But like everything else given by Rahu in its dasa, this too did not last long. Mr Larsen has a different opinion. What do you think of it, I have not used UP.analysis much and therefore cant say anything. Pran --- Visti Larsen <visti wrote: > |Hare Räma Kåñëa| > > Dear Vinay, Namaskar > > Why not just look at the chart to understand that? If the Upapada and > its > lord are strong, then you get married to that potential spouse. If > it’s weak > then the marriage does not happen. > > In this chart Bädhakeña-Moon is in the 7th house, that’s why he is > yet to > marry. Now if you see the Upapada lord its strong in Aquarius, but > retrograde – pravrajya yoga, hence the partner constantly changes her > mind, > or runs away from the idea of marriage… but first he has to find the > partner. > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Visti Larsen > <visti visti > _____ > > patwardhanvinay [patwardhanvinay] > 06 July 2004 14:39 > vedic astrology > Cc: saajik > [vedic astrology] RE:-Re: RE:-RE(Pran and Saaji) > > > > ||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah|| > > > > Dear Saaji, > > > > If u remember we have some discussion before on marriage!! > > Along with customs and traditions I think if two have mental , > physical > relations about a year then it's consider as an marriage from > Mahabharta > age!! Hence only I suggest in my previous mail to shift UL to 8th > from > there!! It's written in 3rd para!! So we are sailing in same > direction!! :-) > > > > Regarding marriage as per dharma and for dharma I ref D9!! If I rem > correctly, for those marriage is just for lower desires and not for > dharma > we have to stick to rasi !! But when traditional marriage and role of > dharma > is to be played we should go to navmasa. Am I correct? Hence only I > ask why > Rahu has not given such marriage and i think this was native's > intellect > which neglect the marriage!! I think I 'd written on that also! > > > > OK BigB!! > > > > Any way waiting for results of an interview!! :-) > > > > Regards, > > > > Vinay > > > > ============================================================================ > ================================== > > OH Your discussion is shifted to 4th house and Jup Dasa!! > > > > Now regarding House if we look into D4 we see Jup is debilitated , > placed in > 3rd H and lord of 2,5H > > 3rd is 12th H to 4th and Jup is marak sthanadhipati (5th L) also to > 3th in > D4 and Sani is in 7th H (4th L also)with moon again exalted and 9th > L! > > I this points may also help!! > > > > One more question to Sri Pran , > > > > In Rahu dasa, home was provided by the company!! OR was it on > ownership? > > > > Regards, > > > > Vinay > > > > _____ > > > "saaji kulangara" <saajik > <vedic astrology/post?postID=yLAJNiqyI0HJNz78v > scl3XYel5krK-968UR12fQuAQmuUhfrMyrPSc5prYQEigiT9nytc7Lz> > > Tue Jul 6, 2004 3:31 pm > Re: RE:-RE(Pran and Saaji) > > > > > > Om Subrahmanyaya Namah > > Dear Sri Pran, > > Should we blame Rahu or Jupiter for this situation? I think Jupiter > is the problem here. Jupiter occupies benefic shadvargas, but is in a > Rasi Sandhi, debilitated in Dasamsa and being 2nd L and Dhanakaraka > he occupies the 6th(debts, diseases) aspected by Sani from 4th.(Shiva > Sahasranaamam could have helped) From Moon he's in the 12th as 11th > L. So the problem has been Dasa sandhi coupled with sadesati. (Evenif > this happended in Rahu Dasa end, we may say that this is because of > the problems he had to bear in Ju AD). > > Sani AD may be helpful in marriage and even though you clarified the > points, I couldn't reconcile this :- ) Ofcourse predictions going > wrong do not affect me, but in this matter, till I learn more I'll > stand by what all I've written, atleast in a bit different context! > > Native's Sani AD will be good. He's a YK from Moon, and also occupies > a kendra from Lagna/Moon and 11th from Jupiter. So the AD may help > him recover from the situation he's in. Thereafter Me AD should be > even more better. Since an exalted 9th Lord Moon occupies the 7th, > and the 7th lord from Moon, Mars occupies the 2nd, the native can > gain through marriage also. > > Maharshi Parasara, whose words are beyond question, says recitation > of Shiva Sahasranaamam can reduce the evils in Ju AD. > > Best Wishes, > > Saaji > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology/post?postID=oMzrAxZfaskYurhEu > L4KmY0TI9KEBtcy7yDE3KERi_JsqwV2B04qKp8LmBU89bJIsi6Dll7qsgY6HM6BrbuUvvV0L8yeL > vc> , PNRazdan <pnrazdan> > wrote: > > I am thnakful to friends Saaji, Vinay and Sanjeev for their efforts > to > > study the horoscope of the Jatak I had posted on the site. The > > unanimous assessment of everybody seems to be that the coming Sat > AD in > > Jup MD should bring in the marriage. > > Let me tell you something more about the Jatak. An extremely > brilliant > > computer engineer, he is in USA for the last 14 years and has seen > the > > best of his time in his life, career etc in the Rahu dasa. But once > the > > dasa was over, it took away everything-quite expected of this > planet. > > So the question raised by Anil is really pertinent as to why the > > marriage didnot comeup in this dasa when everything else did come. > And > > this question has been raised earlier too. > > Presently the jatak is almost houseless and penniless.And also > having > === message truncated === New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Share Posted July 6, 2004 Om Subrahmanyaya Namah hari Om Dear Vinay, For me, the dual sign and the affliction to Ve by Mars and Rahu in a malefic nakshtra is enough to say that what I was thinking is correct. Ofcourse my terming marriage is different. It need not be in its exact sense. Marriage can be in many forms, it can be a gandarva vidi marriage also. In foreign countries people stay together for years, they have children and yet they may not have a court marriage. And Rahu denotes unconventional type of marriage etc etc also valid. I shall write to you later. Thanx, Saaji vedic astrology, PNRazdan <pnrazdan> wrote: > Dear Vinay. > You have given a fair deal of introspection to the chart. > Your point about Rahu was constantly pricking me and I did some more > enquiries about the jatak and found that he actually was living with a > girl for several months sometime in 1996 proposing to marry her. But > somehow the marriage did not materialise later. This period corresponds > to Rahu/Venus dasa of the chart.That establishes Rahu's benevolence > being in its mooltrikona. But like everything else given by Rahu in its > dasa, this too did not last long. > Mr Larsen has a different opinion. What do you think of it, I have not > used UP.analysis much and therefore cant say anything. > Pran > > --- Visti Larsen <visti@s...> wrote: > > |Hare Räma Kåñëa| > > > > Dear Vinay, Namaskar > > > > Why not just look at the chart to understand that? If the Upapada and > > its > > lord are strong, then you get married to that potential spouse. If > > it's weak > > then the marriage does not happen. > > > > In this chart Bädhakeña-Moon is in the 7th house, that's why he is > > yet to > > marry. Now if you see the Upapada lord its strong in Aquarius, but > > retrograde – pravrajya yoga, hence the partner constantly changes her > > mind, > > or runs away from the idea of marriage… but first he has to find the > > partner. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > patwardhanvinay [patwardhanvinay@h...] > > 06 July 2004 14:39 > > vedic astrology > > Cc: saajik > > [vedic astrology] RE:-Re: RE:-RE(Pran and Saaji) > > > > > > > > ||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah|| > > > > > > > > Dear Saaji, > > > > > > > > If u remember we have some discussion before on marriage!! > > > > Along with customs and traditions I think if two have mental , > > physical > > relations about a year then it's consider as an marriage from > > Mahabharta > > age!! Hence only I suggest in my previous mail to shift UL to 8th > > from > > there!! It's written in 3rd para!! So we are sailing in same > > direction!! :-) > > > > > > > > Regarding marriage as per dharma and for dharma I ref D9!! If I rem > > correctly, for those marriage is just for lower desires and not for > > dharma > > we have to stick to rasi !! But when traditional marriage and role of > > dharma > > is to be played we should go to navmasa. Am I correct? Hence only I > > ask why > > Rahu has not given such marriage and i think this was native's > > intellect > > which neglect the marriage!! I think I 'd written on that also! > > > > > > > > OK BigB!! > > > > > > > > Any way waiting for results of an interview!! :-) > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Vinay > > > > > > > > > ====================================================================== ====== > > ================================== > > > > OH Your discussion is shifted to 4th house and Jup Dasa!! > > > > > > > > Now regarding House if we look into D4 we see Jup is debilitated , > > placed in > > 3rd H and lord of 2,5H > > > > 3rd is 12th H to 4th and Jup is marak sthanadhipati (5th L) also to > > 3th in > > D4 and Sani is in 7th H (4th L also)with moon again exalted and 9th > > L! > > > > I this points may also help!! > > > > > > > > One more question to Sri Pran , > > > > > > > > In Rahu dasa, home was provided by the company!! OR was it on > > ownership? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Vinay > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > "saaji kulangara" <saajik > > > <vedic astrology/post? postID=yLAJNiqyI0HJNz78v > > scl3XYel5krK-968UR12fQuAQmuUhfrMyrPSc5prYQEigiT9nytc7Lz> > > > Tue Jul 6, 2004 3:31 pm > > Re: RE:-RE(Pran and Saaji) > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Subrahmanyaya Namah > > > > Dear Sri Pran, > > > > Should we blame Rahu or Jupiter for this situation? I think Jupiter > > is the problem here. Jupiter occupies benefic shadvargas, but is in a > > Rasi Sandhi, debilitated in Dasamsa and being 2nd L and Dhanakaraka > > he occupies the 6th(debts, diseases) aspected by Sani from 4th. (Shiva > > Sahasranaamam could have helped) From Moon he's in the 12th as 11th > > L. So the problem has been Dasa sandhi coupled with sadesati. (Evenif > > this happended in Rahu Dasa end, we may say that this is because of > > the problems he had to bear in Ju AD). > > > > Sani AD may be helpful in marriage and even though you clarified the > > points, I couldn't reconcile this :- ) Ofcourse predictions going > > wrong do not affect me, but in this matter, till I learn more I'll > > stand by what all I've written, atleast in a bit different context! > > > > Native's Sani AD will be good. He's a YK from Moon, and also occupies > > a kendra from Lagna/Moon and 11th from Jupiter. So the AD may help > > him recover from the situation he's in. Thereafter Me AD should be > > even more better. Since an exalted 9th Lord Moon occupies the 7th, > > and the 7th lord from Moon, Mars occupies the 2nd, the native can > > gain through marriage also. > > > > Maharshi Parasara, whose words are beyond question, says recitation > > of Shiva Sahasranaamam can reduce the evils in Ju AD. > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Saaji > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic astrology/post? postID=oMzrAxZfaskYurhEu > > > L4KmY0TI9KEBtcy7yDE3KERi_JsqwV2B04qKp8LmBU89bJIsi6Dll7qsgY6HM6BrbuUvvV 0L8yeL > > vc> , PNRazdan <pnrazdan> > > wrote: > > > I am thnakful to friends Saaji, Vinay and Sanjeev for their efforts > > to > > > study the horoscope of the Jatak I had posted on the site. The > > > unanimous assessment of everybody seems to be that the coming Sat > > AD in > > > Jup MD should bring in the marriage. > > > Let me tell you something more about the Jatak. An extremely > > brilliant > > > computer engineer, he is in USA for the last 14 years and has seen > > the > > > best of his time in his life, career etc in the Rahu dasa. But once > > the > > > dasa was over, it took away everything-quite expected of this > > planet. > > > So the question raised by Anil is really pertinent as to why the > > > marriage didnot comeup in this dasa when everything else did come. > > And > > > this question has been raised earlier too. > > > Presently the jatak is almost houseless and penniless.And also > > having > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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