Varnada Lagna discussion with Visti & SR

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Dear Sanjayji & Dear Visti,

Pranam

 

One of ur lines said that to worship the adhi devata of the 11th lord from VL

shall bring in lots of opportunities for good karma yoga, so can we extend the

meaning to

1. Getting a good job

2. Doing social work or work which would help thousands through our work

 

Can the meaning be extended and can it be successfully used for the above two

 

Dear Visti

 

I am still trying to grasp this concept, but taking PVRs probability wont still

many people have Jup and Mers influence on 11th lord from VL, even I have the

same, 11th lord from VL is Mer (with exalted AK Sun in the 11th house) and it

(Mer) is aspected by Guru from the 8th house - don't u think so many would

similar combos which satisfy what Sanjayji has laid down.

 

 

Thanks,

 

With Blessings of the Divine Mother

 

Sunil JohnMumbai

-

Sanjay Rath

Sanjay Rath ; vedic astrology ; Visti Larsen

Cc: suniljohn_2004 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com

Wednesday, June 30, 2004 9:27 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Varnada Lagna discussion with Gauranga Das - exch 2

::om namo bhagavate vasudevaya::Dear VistiThe rasi of the 11th lord or sign

whichever is a stronger influence, isvital as it defines the direction of the

karma. To worship the adhi devataof this planet shall surely bring lots of

oppotunities for good karma yoga.There are many charts that have Venus & Jup

associated with the 11th from VLand yet they are not astrologers. So the sign

is important as well.Also guru does aspect the 11th lord from VL in your chart,

and so doesMERCURY. So keep writing.With best regards,Sanjay RathSJC Puri, 212

Gopal Ballav Road, Puri 752001, IndiaTel: +91.6752.226269 http://srath.com-----

Original Message ----- "Visti Larsen" <visti (AT) (DOT) org>To:

<vedic astrology>Cc: <suniljohn_2004 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>Tuesday,

June 29, 2004 12:33 AMRE: [vedic astrology] Re: Varnada Lagna

discussion with GaurangaDas - exch 2|Hare Räma Kåñëa|Dear Sunil,As far as I

have learnt, the Varëada Lagna does not show abilities, it showsthat work which

sustains you.In far most of the charts of astrologers I have, its Venus or

Jupiterassociated with 11th from Varëada lagna, and in either case the

astrologerwould either be a practitioner or a teacher, respectively. I have a

chart ofsomeone who tried to take on the profession as an astrologer but who

didn’thave Venus associated with the 11th from VL – He wasn’t very successful

andhad to try new ways. Jupiter was associating and people were quite fond

ofhis skills as a teacher of Jyotiña. Jupiter is also a priest, teacher,

poet,singer, etc among varnas.Best wishes,Visti Larsen

<visti (AT) (DOT) org> visti (AT) (DOT) org _____Gauranga Das

[gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net]28 June 2004 18:27Sunil JohnCc:

vedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] Re: Varnada Lagna

discussion with Gauranga Das -exch 2- Sunil

<suniljohn_2004 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> Johngauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) netSent:

Friday, June 18, 2004 3:26 PMVarnada Lagna discussion with Gauranga

Das - exch 2Dear Gauranga,Thanks for ur mail, I had sent one short email but it

bounced back since Ihad put capital G instead of small g.First and foremost I

must thank you from my heart for replying this complextopic which no one has

answered on the list.If ur kind self would havechosen to replied on the list

many would have learned, but you may have urreasons although i feel that u

should be more active on the list like olddays.Pls find my subsequent queries

below as SJJAYA JAGANNATHA!Dear Sunil,Namaste.> 1. Can Varnada Lagna be used

for seeing the ability of Jyotish.Gauranga: The clue lies always in the lord of

the Varnada Lagna. If he isassociatingwith Jupiter or Ketu, then becoming a

professional astrologer is apossibility.SJ: A basic query here, If by

associating, I presume u are referring toaspect or lordship. If it is aspect

are u also taking into account rasidristi, and if it is lordship, would the VL

being the owner of Scorpio alsocontribute to Jyotish, and subsequently if we

have to see Jyotish and henceKetu, should we see who is stronger of Mars and

Ketu.In your case etu is functionally debilitated, so Mars is actually

stronger.So he becomes the lord fo Varnada lagna. He is in Aquarius in 9th

house, notassociating with Jupiter. However VL in Scorpio may still hold some

ability.> 2. What happens if Jup exalted and deb have rasi dristi on

VL.Gauranga: Exalted is better I suppose.SJ: Thanks, would ones Jyotish

abilities increase during the period whenduring transit Jup or Ketu aspect the

VLYes, definitely, especially if they are weak in the Janma Kundli, then

astrong transit position is very beneficial.> 3. What is the basic and esoteric

meaning of Varnada LagnaGauranga: Varna-da, i.e. giver of varna (caste). would

inidcate the externalvarna(caste) one belongs to or the profession one would

practice.SJ:Thanks> 4.What and how are its applicationsDetails are given in

Upadesa Sutras of Jaimini.Gauranga: I think it is good, but gives only a

fragment of thepossibilities. It wouldappear in someone's chart who is a

professional astrologer and makes hisliving in this way. However for amateurs,

there may be other indications,especially 2nd, 5th and 10th houses influenced

by Jupiter and Mercury, inRasi, D-10 and D-24, which may give a wide variety of

interests in andcommintment to Jyotish.SJ: Can I request u with a personal

favor, I have been thinking about thisfor months now, would i become a very

good exceptional astrologer. I amattaching my chart and would like to know ur

esteemed view.My time of birth is 9.46 am and rectified by some to 9.55.23 or

9.58 therectification was done on the basis of my profession which is TV

industry asan Executive Producer (salaried).11th May 1973 9.46 am, BombayWell,

Jupiter in the 8th is favourable for intuition, as well as him beinglord of

10th house. However he is debilitated, so a substantialstrengthening of Jupiter

is needed. So you have some ability for Jyotish.However in dasamsa Jupiter

influences neither of the 2nd, 5th, 8th or 10th.Only Mercury is exalted in

10th. Therefore becoming a professional is not solikely.In D-24 you have more

opportunities, however the 4 planets Jupiter, Mercury,Rahu and Ketu are in

Badhaka sthana from the 5th house. So you are able tolearn Jyotish, however a

lot of efforts are required for this.5. Can the VL be used to time job, if so

yes then how, i ask this since VLis also indicator of profession as

stated.According to Parasara, Varnada dasa is an Ayur dasa, not Phalita. So

hegives examples of using it for timing the longevity of the native and

hisrelatives. I am not aware of anyone using it for timing changes in job.

Iwould recommend Kalacakra dasa or D-10 Narayana dasa. According to

Kalacakradasa you have Pisces dasa from 2001 to 2011, which has Jupiter in own

housein 4th in D-10. Looks like some Jyotish-related activity may be there,

butit is more connected t home than to workplace. In D-10 Narayana dasa youhave

the same dasa beginning from 2006 to 2018. This may give the

sameindications.Yours,Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net

Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone: +36-309-140-839Thanking

you,With blessings from Divine MotherSunil JohnMumbaiP.S: Pls find my JHD chart

attached. sorry for my delayed reply, I wanted tothink cooly on VL before

replying to u.Yours,Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologergauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) netJyotish

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::om namo bhagavate vasudevaya::

Dear Sunil

 

 

you wrote -

Dear Sanjayji & Dear Visti,

Pranam

 

One of ur lines said that to worship the adhi devata of the 11th lord from

VL shall bring in lots of opportunities for good karma yoga, so can we

extend the meaning to

1. Getting a good job

2. Doing social work or work which would help thousands through our work

 

Can the meaning be extended and can it be successfully used for the above

two

Rath: No sunil this is not right. Ability is different from opportunity

which is totally different from earnings. The sign of the 11th lord from VL

gives the ability. This is different from opportunity which must come from

people and the 11th lord itself. But what you earn is based on the

manifestation of maya and has to be from the arudha lagna 11th house.

 

You can work with so many movie directors like say Roshan etc but the ones

that will give you the opportunity come from the 11th lord from VL. what

they give you will depend on the 11th from AL and this is not entirely under

their control.

-------------

Dear Visti

 

I am still trying to grasp this concept, but taking PVRs probability wont

still many people have Jup and Mers influence on 11th lord from VL, even I

have the same, 11th lord from VL is Mer (with exalted AK Sun in the 11th

house) and it (Mer) is aspected by Guru from the 8th house - don't u think

so many would similar combos which satisfy what Sanjayji has laid down.

 

Rath: look at abilties. you are not looking at abilities.

-------

 

 

With best regards,

Sanjay Rath

SJC Puri, 212 Gopal Ballav Road, Puri 752001, India

Tel: +91.6752.226269 http://srath.com

-

Sanjay Rath

Sanjay Rath ; vedic astrology ; Visti Larsen

Cc: suniljohn_2004

Wednesday, June 30, 2004 9:27 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Varnada Lagna discussion with Gauranga

Das - exch 2

 

 

::om namo bhagavate vasudevaya::

Dear Visti

The rasi of the 11th lord or sign whichever is a stronger influence, is

vital as it defines the direction of the karma. To worship the adhi devata

of this planet shall surely bring lots of oppotunities for good karma

yoga.

There are many charts that have Venus & Jup associated with the 11th from

VL

and yet they are not astrologers. So the sign is important as well.

Also guru does aspect the 11th lord from VL in your chart, and so does

MERCURY. So keep writing.

With best regards,

Sanjay Rath

SJC Puri, 212 Gopal Ballav Road, Puri 752001, India

Tel: +91.6752.226269 http://srath.com

 

-

"Visti Larsen" <visti

<vedic astrology>

Cc: <suniljohn_2004

Tuesday, June 29, 2004 12:33 AM

RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Varnada Lagna discussion with Gauranga

Das - exch 2

 

 

|Hare Räma Kåñëa|

 

Dear Sunil,

 

As far as I have learnt, the Varëada Lagna does not show abilities, it

shows

that work which sustains you.

 

In far most of the charts of astrologers I have, its Venus or Jupiter

associated with 11th from Varëada lagna, and in either case the astrologer

would either be a practitioner or a teacher, respectively. I have a chart

of

someone who tried to take on the profession as an astrologer but who didn’

t

have Venus associated with the 11th from VL – He wasn’t very successful

and

had to try new ways. Jupiter was associating and people were quite fond of

his skills as a teacher of Jyotiña. Jupiter is also a priest, teacher,

poet,

singer, etc among varnas.

 

Best wishes,

 

 

 

 

 

Visti Larsen

<visti visti

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

_____

 

Gauranga Das [gauranga]

28 June 2004 18:27

Sunil John

Cc: vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] Re: Varnada Lagna discussion with Gauranga

Das -

exch 2

 

 

 

 

 

-

 

Sunil <suniljohn_2004 John

 

gauranga

 

Friday, June 18, 2004 3:26 PM

 

Varnada Lagna discussion with Gauranga Das - exch 2

 

 

 

Dear Gauranga,

 

Thanks for ur mail, I had sent one short email but it bounced back since I

had put capital G instead of small g.

 

First and foremost I must thank you from my heart for replying this

complex

topic which no one has answered on the list.If ur kind self would have

chosen to replied on the list many would have learned, but you may have ur

reasons although i feel that u should be more active on the list like old

days.

 

 

 

Pls find my subsequent queries below as SJ

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

JAYA JAGANNATHA!

 

Dear Sunil,

 

Namaste.

 

 

 

> 1. Can Varnada Lagna be used for seeing the ability of Jyotish.

 

Gauranga: The clue lies always in the lord of the Varnada Lagna. If he is

associating

 

with Jupiter or Ketu, then becoming a professional astrologer is a

 

possibility.

 

SJ: A basic query here, If by associating, I presume u are referring to

aspect or lordship. If it is aspect are u also taking into account rasi

dristi, and if it is lordship, would the VL being the owner of Scorpio

also

contribute to Jyotish, and subsequently if we have to see Jyotish and

hence

Ketu, should we see who is stronger of Mars and Ketu.

 

In your case etu is functionally debilitated, so Mars is actually

stronger.

So he becomes the lord fo Varnada lagna. He is in Aquarius in 9th house,

not

associating with Jupiter. However VL in Scorpio may still hold some

ability.

 

> 2. What happens if Jup exalted and deb have rasi dristi on VL.

 

Gauranga: Exalted is better I suppose.

 

SJ: Thanks, would ones Jyotish abilities increase during the period when

during transit Jup or Ketu aspect the VL

 

Yes, definitely, especially if they are weak in the Janma Kundli, then a

strong transit position is very beneficial.

 

> 3. What is the basic and esoteric meaning of Varnada Lagna

 

Gauranga: Varna-da, i.e. giver of varna (caste). would inidcate the

external

 

varna

 

(caste) one belongs to or the profession one would practice.

 

SJ:Thanks

 

> 4.What and how are its applications

 

Details are given in Upadesa Sutras of Jaimini.

 

Gauranga: I think it is good, but gives only a fragment of the

possibilities. It would

 

appear in someone's chart who is a professional astrologer and makes his

 

living in this way. However for amateurs, there may be other indications,

 

especially 2nd, 5th and 10th houses influenced by Jupiter and Mercury, in

 

Rasi, D-10 and D-24, which may give a wide variety of interests in and

 

commintment to Jyotish.

 

SJ: Can I request u with a personal favor, I have been thinking about this

for months now, would i become a very good exceptional astrologer. I am

attaching my chart and would like to know ur esteemed view.

 

My time of birth is 9.46 am and rectified by some to 9.55.23 or 9.58 the

rectification was done on the basis of my profession which is TV industry

as

an Executive Producer (salaried).

 

11th May 1973 9.46 am, Bombay

 

Well, Jupiter in the 8th is favourable for intuition, as well as him being

lord of 10th house. However he is debilitated, so a substantial

strengthening of Jupiter is needed. So you have some ability for Jyotish.

However in dasamsa Jupiter influences neither of the 2nd, 5th, 8th or

10th.

Only Mercury is exalted in 10th. Therefore becoming a professional is not

so

likely.

 

In D-24 you have more opportunities, however the 4 planets Jupiter,

Mercury,

Rahu and Ketu are in Badhaka sthana from the 5th house. So you are able to

learn Jyotish, however a lot of efforts are required for this.

 

5. Can the VL be used to time job, if so yes then how, i ask this since VL

is also indicator of profession as stated.

 

According to Parasara, Varnada dasa is an Ayur dasa, not Phalita. So he

gives examples of using it for timing the longevity of the native and his

relatives. I am not aware of anyone using it for timing changes in job. I

would recommend Kalacakra dasa or D-10 Narayana dasa. According to

Kalacakra

dasa you have Pisces dasa from 2001 to 2011, which has Jupiter in own

house

in 4th in D-10. Looks like some Jyotish-related activity may be there, but

it is more connected t home than to workplace. In D-10 Narayana dasa you

have the same dasa beginning from 2006 to 2018. This may give the same

indications.

 

Yours,

 

Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer

gauranga

Jyotish Remedies:

WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET

Phone: +36-309-140-839

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanking you,

 

With blessings from Divine Mother

 

Sunil John

 

Mumbai

 

P.S: Pls find my JHD chart attached. sorry for my delayed reply, I wanted

to

think cooly on VL before replying to u.

 

 

 

Yours,

 

Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer

 

gauranga

 

Jyotish Remedies:

 

WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET

 

Phone: +36-309-140-839

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Sanjayji,

That is very nicely and wisely explained. Now I have understood it.

I called you up yesterday at residence but it seems u are out of town till 12th.

Need to touch base with re a project, kindly give me your current contact

numbers and I presume Sarbani would have passed on the news to you.

Love & Abundance to you,

Sunil John

Mumbai

>"Sanjay Rath" <guruji (AT) srath (DOT) com> >"Sanjay Rath"

<guruji (AT) srath (DOT) com>,<vedic astrology>,"Visti Larsen"

<visti (AT) (DOT) org>,"Sunil John" <suniljohn_2004 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> >Subject:

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Varnada Lagna discussion with Visti & SR >Thu,

1 Jul 2004 09:28:52 +0530 > > > > >::om namo bhagavate vasudevaya:: >Dear Sunil

> > >you wrote - >Dear Sanjayji & Dear Visti, >Pranam > >One of ur lines said

that to worship the adhi devata of the 11th lord from >VL shall bring in lots

of opportunities for good karma yoga, so can we >extend the meaning to >1.

Getting a good job >2. Doing social work or work which would help thousands

through our work > >Can the meaning be extended and can it be successfully used

for the above >two >Rath: No sunil this is not right. Ability is different from

opportunity >which is totally different from earnings. The sign of the 11th

lord from VL >gives the ability. This is different from opportunity which must

come from >people and the 11th lord itself. But what you earn is based on the

>manifestation of maya and has to be from the arudha lagna 11th house. > >You

can work with so many movie directors like say Roshan etc but the ones >that

will give you the opportunity come from the 11th lord from VL. what >they give

you will depend on the 11th from AL and this is not entirely under >their

control. >------------- >Dear Visti > >I am

still trying to grasp this concept, but taking PVRs probability wont >still

many people have Jup and Mers influence on 11th lord from VL, even I >have the

same, 11th lord from VL is Mer (with exalted AK Sun in the 11th >house) and it

(Mer) is aspected by Guru from the 8th house - don't u think >so many would

similar combos which satisfy what Sanjayji has laid down. > >Rath: look at

abilties. you are not looking at abilities.

>------- > > >With best regards, >Sanjay Rath

>SJC Puri, 212 Gopal Ballav Road, Puri 752001, India >Tel: +91.6752.226269

http://srath.com > - > Sanjay Rath > To:

Sanjay Rath ; vedic astrology ; Visti Larsen > Cc:

suniljohn_2004 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com > Wednesday, June 30, 2004 9:27 AM >

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Varnada Lagna discussion with Gauranga >Das

- exch 2 > >

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Dear Gurudeva

This is a good explanation. I do have few questions

though.

1. If the lord of 11th from VL is placed in 11th from

AL does it mean the abilities match the opportunities?

More over if the 11th from AL is actually 8th from

Lagna will the opportunities will be less or Hard to

get?

2. If the 7th house in D1/D10 is some how related to

11th from VL should we say the native will have

abilities to perform business but the 11th from AL

shall dictate whether the business will be successful?

3. What will be the impact if the planet lording 11th

from VL is exalted or debilitated.in other words can

we extend the principle of "Tasmin Ucche Va Neeche

srimantha:" and instead of sreemantha can we make it

as Dhimantha

 

Thanks and with regards

Lakshman

 

 

>Rath: No sunil this is not right. Ability is

different from opportunity

>which is totally different from earnings. The sign of

the 11th lord from VL

>gives the ability. This is different from opportunity

which must come from

>people and the 11th lord itself. But what you earn is

based on the

>manifestation of maya and has to be from the arudha

lagna 11th house.

>

>You can work with so many movie directors like say

Roshan etc but the ones

>that will give you the opportunity come from the 11th

lord from VL. what

>they give you will depend on the 11th from AL and

this is not entirely under

>their control.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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