Varnada Lagna discussion ....Sri Chandrashekhar ji

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Dear Chandrashekhar ji,

 

The undersigned would beg to differ with you on the point of

profession ofBrahmins as actors and singers.

 

1) All Ramlilas, Bhavais were and are performed by NAYAK subcaste of

Brahmins in Gujarat.

 

2) Composing/singing of Harikathas was strictly reserved for

Brahmins. These people are known as MANA BHATTAS.

 

This opportunity is also used to state that not only the above but,

 

Vaidyas, Cooks also come under perview of Jupiterian portfolio.

 

Tatvam-Asi

 

 

 

 

 

> You have vast knowledge about Varnada Lagna. I have adoubt about

lata

> Mangeshkar case that you have analysed. You have stated amongst

> professions of Brahmins Singer and Actor. As a matter of fact, if I

> remember right these were of those belonging to lower classes.

These

> were not the professions of Brahmins as far as I know. May I know

the

> fererence text on astrology that states this?

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar.

> Visti Larsen wrote:

>

> > |Hare Räma Kåñëa|

> >

> > Dear Sunil, Namaskar

> >

> > A quote from a book;

> >

> >

> >

> > ...the professions or status/positions the native takes on are

seen

> > from the Lagna and Ärüòha Lagna. Here it is pertinent to

understand

> > that ones profession and occupation are two separate things;

Business

> > psychologists deal with the behavior of clients towards products,

> > whilst private psychologists help people out of their mental

> > abnormalities. However; in both cases the profession/title is

that of

> > a psychologist, hence the differentiation.

> >

> > * Planets joining, lording and/or having Räçi dåñöi on the

Lagna

> > or Ärüòha Lagna will indicate which traits the native

identifies

> > themselves with and hence which professions they will enter.

> > * If the identified grahas are also in trines in the Navämça,

> > those professions will last.

> >

> >

> > *Examples*

> >

> > /Chart /112: Lata Mangeskar - Singer (September 28, 1929,

22:30:00,

> > 5:30:00 (East of GMT)( 75 E 50', 22 N 43'))

> >

> > Let us identify the profession of this native.

> >

> > The Varëada lagna is in Taurus, and the 11^th from it is

unoccupied.

> > The lord Jupiter indicates the main profession as a Brahmin. This

> > could be a teacher, priest, singer, actor, writer, etc.

> >

> > Now let us list out the planets which associate with the Lagna

and

> > Ärüòha lagna. Jupiter, Moon, Mars the nodes and Venus associate

with

> > the lagna and Ärüòha lagna.

> >

> > Among these, Jupiter, Ketu and the Moon are placed in the trines

to

> > Navämça lagna. Jupiter can indicate a profession as a teacher,

ketu as

> > a mathematician however Ketu in 6^th will not prove auspicious,

whilst

> > Moon indicates a profession as a singer or vocalist.

> >

> > Among these the moon is strongest due to its position in own

sign, and

> > will dominate due to the native finding most comfort (Svakñetra)

in

> > that profession.

> >

> >

> >

> > I also taught this in the Nagpur conference - this was taught by

> > Guruji in New Jersey 2003 and in Puri 2004.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> >

> >

> > *Visti Larsen*

> > visti@s... <visti@s...>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> > ** Sunil John [jjnet2000_in]

> > *Sent:* 30 June 2004 08:36

> > *To:* vedic astrology

> > *Cc:* visti@s...

> > *Subject:* Varnada Lagna discussion with Shri Visti

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Visti,

> >

> > Pranam

> >

> > Thanks for ur compassionate reply, pls find my humble queries

below

> >

> > Dear Shri Visti,

> > Namaskar

> >

> > Thanks for making this an interesting discussion. Pls allow me to

ask

> > some basic queries.

> > 1.Is the formula given by you different to what's used in JHL

> >

> > **/[Visti] The Formula is the same, only it does not use degrees

like

> > JHora does./**

> >

> > SJ: Thanks for this

> >

> > 2.What Sunrise definition do you use for HL cal.

> >

> > */[Visti] Apparent Upper Limb./*

> >

> > SJ: I presume here u are referring to the tip of the Suns disk

appears

> > to be on the eastern horizon.

> >

> > 3.Since Jyotish is a karmic act or in other sense "a way of doing

of

> > our karma" does the VL technique of seeing Jyotish abilities

should

> > be more looked into the D10 or only Rasi.

> >

> > **/[Visti] VL has NOTHING to do with abilities. In shows what

sustains

> > you. This is the 2^nd time you ask me this. VL in Rdgi seems

> > sufficient for now./**

> >

> > SJ: I am sorry, as u know it takes me Triple time to grasp things

than

> > the average student, but i was thinking that ones abilities is

what

> > makes one sustain. But i guess in some cases it need not be true.

> >

> > I was hoping that u would take up D10 in this area

> >

> > I was trying to look at ur chart this morning, but somehow it is

not

> > in my Pc, can u be kind to resend it.

> >

> >

> >

> > 4. I have lagna Ge and HL in Leo, so adding 3+5=8, so should the

VL

> > be 8th from Aries or 8th from Ge Lagna, my confusion lies here,

pls

> > guide.

> >

> > */[Visti] 8^th from Aries. Remember I timed your job from this./*

> >

> > SJ: Yes u were bingo on timing the job, and after that i have lot

of

> > beleif in this technique which u taught, although I feel their is

more

> > to it and one can use the degs of VL also to a major extent -

just my

> > thoughts,

> >

> > oh wow i just checked Visti, the deg of VL and the giving

planets

> > dega was right on spot, bingo on the day it happened. What do u

feel

> > can the degs be used for timing although this is one solo case

and

> > statistical research needs to be carried out.

> >

> > My good friend Partha was also right on although he used another

> > technique, which technique i havent been able to understand yet.

> >

> > If i take the VL lord Mars then it was passing thro 0 bindu in

its BAV

> > and also its deb sign, Mars also being the Dasa lord.

> >

> >

> > o Rasi or Graha dristi OR should we look at their influence

> > Rasi/Graha on the 'Lord' of the 11th from VL.

> >

> > */[Visti] Rdgi deqvi and look at both the sign and lord. The Lord

> > indicates that which you are guided to do./*

> >

> > SJ: thanks

> >

> > i you have many yrs of experience in Jyotish and must have

> > keenly observed your own ups and downs in Jyotish studies, have

you

> > seen some exaltation in ur Jyotish studies when Jup aspects your

VL

> > to the degree or 6 deg orb. Or maybe the VL lord aspecting the VL

> > itself.

> >

> > */[Visti] No. /*

> >

> > SJ: Sorry to hear that answer although logically it should, but

still

> > thanks for the answer

> >

> > Thanking you,

> >

> > Sunil John

> > P.S: I shall reply to your previous letter and also Gauranga's

tom as

> > I am not well right now, kindly bear.

> >

> > **/[Visti] Sorry to hear hope to see you recuperate soon./**

> >

> > SJ: I am bit better now, thanks for ur well wishes.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear???,

Acting and singing for money and for praise of god without seeking

anything for the service rendered are two different things. If in

Gujarat some Brahmans have made that as their profession it does not

mean that it is per shastras. Generally when one performs in Ramlila it

is not for earning moneys but as you state that appears to be practice

in Gujarat. If it is so it would not by itself make it the duty or

profession of a Brahman. Of course if you one born to Brahman parents

as Brahman without reference to his work, perhaps we have a different

view point about looking at scriptures.

Veda Vyasa said "janmani jayate shudrah karmaNi bhavati brahmanaH" and

it to that Brahman that Jyotish refers to when it gives certain

qualities to Planets. I have not seen any scriptures saying that these

are the professions to be followed by Brahmans.

You perhaps have seen some such thing. Could you look at the scriptures

and give a quote so that these are the professions of Brahmans?

Chandrashekhar.

nameisego wrote:

 

Dear Chandrashekhar ji,

The undersigned would beg to differ with you on the point of

profession ofBrahmins as actors and singers.

1) All Ramlilas, Bhavais were and are performed by NAYAK subcaste of

Brahmins in Gujarat.

2) Composing/singing of Harikathas was strictly reserved for

Brahmins. These people are known as MANA BHATTAS.

This opportunity is also used to state that not only the above but,

Vaidyas, Cooks also come under perview of Jupiterian portfolio.

Tatvam-Asi

> You have vast knowledge about Varnada Lagna. I have adoubt about

lata

> Mangeshkar case that you have analysed. You have stated amongst

> professions of Brahmins Singer and Actor. As a matter of fact, if

I

> remember right these were of those belonging to lower classes.

These

> were not the professions of Brahmins as far as I know. May I know

the

> fererence text on astrology that states this?

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar.

> Visti Larsen wrote:

>

> > |Hare Räma Kåñëa|

> >

> > Dear Sunil, Namaskar

> >

> > A quote from a book;

> >

> >

> >

> > ...the professions or status/positions the native takes on

are

seen

> > from the Lagna and Ärüòha Lagna. Here it is pertinent to

understand

> > that ones profession and occupation are two separate things;

Business

> > psychologists deal with the behavior of clients towards

products,

> > whilst private psychologists help people out of their mental

> > abnormalities. However; in both cases the profession/title is

that of

> > a psychologist, hence the differentiation.

> >

> > * Planets joining, lording and/or having Räçi dåñöi on

the

Lagna

> > or Ärüòha Lagna will indicate which traits the native

identifies

> > themselves with and hence which professions they will

enter.

> > * If the identified grahas are also in trines in the

Navämça,

> > those professions will last.

> >

> >

> > *Examples*

> >

> > /Chart /112: Lata Mangeskar - Singer (September 28, 1929,

22:30:00,

> > 5:30:00 (East of GMT)( 75 E 50', 22 N 43'))

> >

> > Let us identify the profession of this native.

> >

> > The Varëada lagna is in Taurus, and the 11^th from it is

unoccupied.

> > The lord Jupiter indicates the main profession as a Brahmin.

This

> > could be a teacher, priest, singer, actor, writer, etc.

> >

> > Now let us list out the planets which associate with the

Lagna

and

> > Ärüòha lagna. Jupiter, Moon, Mars the nodes and Venus

associate

with

> > the lagna and Ärüòha lagna.

> >

> > Among these, Jupiter, Ketu and the Moon are placed in the

trines

to

> > Navämça lagna. Jupiter can indicate a profession as a

teacher,

ketu as

> > a mathematician however Ketu in 6^th will not prove

auspicious,

whilst

> > Moon indicates a profession as a singer or vocalist.

> >

> > Among these the moon is strongest due to its position in own

sign, and

> > will dominate due to the native finding most comfort

(Svakñetra)

in

> > that profession.

> >

> >

> >

> > I also taught this in the Nagpur conference - this was taught

by

> > Guruji in New Jersey 2003 and in Puri 2004.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> >

> >

> > *Visti Larsen*

> > visti@s... <visti@s...>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

 

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> >

> > ** Sunil John [jjnet2000_in]

> > *Sent:* 30 June 2004 08:36

> > *To:* vedic astrology

> > *Cc:* visti@s...

> > *Subject:* Varnada Lagna discussion with Shri Visti

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Visti,

> >

> > Pranam

> >

> > Thanks for ur compassionate reply, pls find my humble queries

below

> >

> > Dear Shri Visti,

> > Namaskar

> >

> > Thanks for making this an interesting discussion. Pls allow

me to

ask

> > some basic queries.

> > 1.Is the formula given by you different to what's used in JHL

> >

> > **/[Visti] The Formula is the same, only it does not use

degrees

like

> > JHora does./**

> >

> > SJ: Thanks for this

> >

> > 2.What Sunrise definition do you use for HL cal.

> >

> > */[Visti] Apparent Upper Limb./*

> >

> > SJ: I presume here u are referring to the tip of the Suns

disk

appears

> > to be on the eastern horizon.

> >

> > 3.Since Jyotish is a karmic act or in other sense "a way of

doing

of

> > our karma" does the VL technique of seeing Jyotish abilities

should

> > be more looked into the D10 or only Rasi.

> >

> > **/[Visti] VL has NOTHING to do with abilities. In shows what

sustains

> > you. This is the 2^nd time you ask me this. VL in Rdgi seems

> > sufficient for now./**

> >

> > SJ: I am sorry, as u know it takes me Triple time to grasp

things

than

> > the average student, but i was thinking that ones abilities

is

what

> > makes one sustain. But i guess in some cases it need not be

true.

> >

> > I was hoping that u would take up D10 in this area

> >

> > I was trying to look at ur chart this morning, but somehow it

is

not

> > in my Pc, can u be kind to resend it.

> >

> >

> >

> > 4. I have lagna Ge and HL in Leo, so adding 3+5=8, so should

the

VL

> > be 8th from Aries or 8th from Ge Lagna, my confusion lies

here,

pls

> > guide.

> >

> > */[Visti] 8^th from Aries. Remember I timed your job from

this./*

> >

> > SJ: Yes u were bingo on timing the job, and after that i have

lot

of

> > beleif in this technique which u taught, although I feel

their is

more

> > to it and one can use the degs of VL also to a major extent -

just my

> > thoughts,

> >

> > oh wow i just checked Visti, the deg of VL and the giving

planets

> > dega was right on spot, bingo on the day it happened. What do

u

feel

> > can the degs be used for timing although this is one solo

case

and

> > statistical research needs to be carried out.

> >

> > My good friend Partha was also right on although he used

another

> > technique, which technique i havent been able to understand

yet.

> >

> > If i take the VL lord Mars then it was passing thro 0 bindu

in

its BAV

> > and also its deb sign, Mars also being the Dasa lord.

> >

> >

> > o Rasi or Graha dristi OR should we look at their influence

> > Rasi/Graha on the 'Lord' of the 11th from VL.

> >

> > */[Visti] Rdgi deqvi and look at both the sign and lord. The

Lord

> > indicates that which you are guided to do./*

> >

> > SJ: thanks

> >

> > i you have many yrs of experience in Jyotish and must have

> > keenly observed your own ups and downs in Jyotish studies,

have

you

> > seen some exaltation in ur Jyotish studies when Jup aspects

your

VL

> > to the degree or 6 deg orb. Or maybe the VL lord aspecting

the VL

> > itself.

> >

> > */[Visti] No. /*

> >

> > SJ: Sorry to hear that answer although logically it should,

but

still

> > thanks for the answer

> >

> > Thanking you,

> >

> > Sunil John

> > P.S: I shall reply to your previous letter and also

Gauranga's

tom as

> > I am not well right now, kindly bear.

> >

> > **/[Visti] Sorry to hear hope to see you recuperate soon./**

> >

> > SJ: I am bit better now, thanks for ur well wishes.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

 

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Respected Sir,

 

Teaching is a portfolio of Guru.

Ramleela, Manabhattas , Bhavais are all practical teaching methods.

Who ever practices Teaching is a Brahmin/teacher .

 

Rules are formed for contemporary times and practices. Additions and

subtractions are to be made from time to time to retain the

meaning/usefulness of such rules.

 

Shastras as they were , may not offer all answers. As written in

another posting, A guru gives you a tool, or a seed and makes you

able to fashion out something useful from that.

Verbatim following of rules which may not convey full meaning can be

counter productive.

 

Rgds

 

Tatvam-Asi

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel>

wrote:

> Dear???,

> Acting and singing for money and for praise of god without seeking

> anything for the service rendered are two different things. If in

> Gujarat some Brahmans have made that as their profession it does

not

> mean that it is per shastras. Generally when one performs in

Ramlila it

> is not for earning moneys but as you state that appears to be

practice

> in Gujarat. If it is so it would not by itself make it the duty or

> profession of a Brahman. Of course if you one born to Brahman

parents

> as Brahman without reference to his work, perhaps we have a

different

> view point about looking at scriptures.

> Veda Vyasa said "janmani jayate shudrah karmaNi bhavati brahmanaH"

and

> it to that Brahman that Jyotish refers to when it gives certain

> qualities to Planets. I have not seen any scriptures saying that

these

> are the professions to be followed by Brahmans.

> You perhaps have seen some such thing. Could you look at the

scriptures

> and give a quote so that these are the professions of Brahmans?

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> nameisego wrote:

>

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekhar ji,

> >

> > The undersigned would beg to differ with you on the point of

> > profession ofBrahmins as actors and singers.

> >

> > 1) All Ramlilas, Bhavais were and are performed by NAYAK subcaste

of

> > Brahmins in Gujarat.

> >

> > 2) Composing/singing of Harikathas was strictly reserved for

> > Brahmins. These people are known as MANA BHATTAS.

> >

> > This opportunity is also used to state that not only the above

but,

> >

> > Vaidyas, Cooks also come under perview of Jupiterian portfolio.

> >

> > Tatvam-Asi

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > You have vast knowledge about Varnada Lagna. I have adoubt about

> > lata

> > > Mangeshkar case that you have analysed. You have stated amongst

> > > professions of Brahmins Singer and Actor. As a matter of fact,

if I

> > > remember right these were of those belonging to lower classes.

> > These

> > > were not the professions of Brahmins as far as I know. May I

know

> > the

> > > fererence text on astrology that states this?

> > > Regards,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > Visti Larsen wrote:

> > >

> > > > |Hare Räma Kåñëa|

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil, Namaskar

> > > >

> > > > A quote from a book;

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ...the professions or status/positions the native takes on are

> > seen

> > > > from the Lagna and Ärüòha Lagna. Here it is pertinent to

> > understand

> > > > that ones profession and occupation are two separate things;

> > Business

> > > > psychologists deal with the behavior of clients towards

products,

> > > > whilst private psychologists help people out of their mental

> > > > abnormalities. However; in both cases the profession/title is

> > that of

> > > > a psychologist, hence the differentiation.

> > > >

> > > > * Planets joining, lording and/or having Räçi dåñöi on the

> > Lagna

> > > > or Ärüòha Lagna will indicate which traits the native

> > identifies

> > > > themselves with and hence which professions they will

enter.

> > > > * If the identified grahas are also in trines in the

Navämça,

> > > > those professions will last.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > *Examples*

> > > >

> > > > /Chart /112: Lata Mangeskar - Singer (September 28, 1929,

> > 22:30:00,

> > > > 5:30:00 (East of GMT)( 75 E 50', 22 N 43'))

> > > >

> > > > Let us identify the profession of this native.

> > > >

> > > > The Varëada lagna is in Taurus, and the 11^th from it is

> > unoccupied.

> > > > The lord Jupiter indicates the main profession as a Brahmin.

This

> > > > could be a teacher, priest, singer, actor, writer, etc.

> > > >

> > > > Now let us list out the planets which associate with the Lagna

> > and

> > > > Ärüòha lagna. Jupiter, Moon, Mars the nodes and Venus

associate

> > with

> > > > the lagna and Ärüòha lagna.

> > > >

> > > > Among these, Jupiter, Ketu and the Moon are placed in the

trines

> > to

> > > > Navämça lagna. Jupiter can indicate a profession as a teacher,

> > ketu as

> > > > a mathematician however Ketu in 6^th will not prove

auspicious,

> > whilst

> > > > Moon indicates a profession as a singer or vocalist.

> > > >

> > > > Among these the moon is strongest due to its position in own

> > sign, and

> > > > will dominate due to the native finding most comfort

(Svakñetra)

> > in

> > > > that profession.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I also taught this in the Nagpur conference - this was taught

by

> > > > Guruji in New Jersey 2003 and in Puri 2004.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > *Visti Larsen*

> > > > visti@s... <visti@s...>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -----------------------------

----

> > ------

> > > >

> > > > ** Sunil John [jjnet2000_in]

> > > > *Sent:* 30 June 2004 08:36

> > > > *To:* vedic astrology

> > > > *Cc:* visti@s...

> > > > *Subject:* Varnada Lagna discussion with Shri Visti

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Visti,

> > > >

> > > > Pranam

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for ur compassionate reply, pls find my humble queries

> > below

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shri Visti,

> > > > Namaskar

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for making this an interesting discussion. Pls allow

me to

> > ask

> > > > some basic queries.

> > > > 1.Is the formula given by you different to what's used in JHL

> > > >

> > > > **/[Visti] The Formula is the same, only it does not use

degrees

> > like

> > > > JHora does./**

> > > >

> > > > SJ: Thanks for this

> > > >

> > > > 2.What Sunrise definition do you use for HL cal.

> > > >

> > > > */[Visti] Apparent Upper Limb./*

> > > >

> > > > SJ: I presume here u are referring to the tip of the Suns disk

> > appears

> > > > to be on the eastern horizon.

> > > >

> > > > 3.Since Jyotish is a karmic act or in other sense "a way of

doing

> > of

> > > > our karma" does the VL technique of seeing Jyotish abilities

> > should

> > > > be more looked into the D10 or only Rasi.

> > > >

> > > > **/[Visti] VL has NOTHING to do with abilities. In shows what

> > sustains

> > > > you. This is the 2^nd time you ask me this. VL in Rdgi seems

> > > > sufficient for now./**

> > > >

> > > > SJ: I am sorry, as u know it takes me Triple time to grasp

things

> > than

> > > > the average student, but i was thinking that ones abilities is

> > what

> > > > makes one sustain. But i guess in some cases it need not be

true.

> > > >

> > > > I was hoping that u would take up D10 in this area

> > > >

> > > > I was trying to look at ur chart this morning, but somehow it

is

> > not

> > > > in my Pc, can u be kind to resend it.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 4. I have lagna Ge and HL in Leo, so adding 3+5=8, so should

the

> > VL

> > > > be 8th from Aries or 8th from Ge Lagna, my confusion lies

here,

> > pls

> > > > guide.

> > > >

> > > > */[Visti] 8^th from Aries. Remember I timed your job from

this./*

> > > >

> > > > SJ: Yes u were bingo on timing the job, and after that i have

lot

> > of

> > > > beleif in this technique which u taught, although I feel

their is

> > more

> > > > to it and one can use the degs of VL also to a major extent -

> > just my

> > > > thoughts,

> > > >

> > > > oh wow i just checked Visti, the deg of VL and the giving

> > planets

> > > > dega was right on spot, bingo on the day it happened. What do

u

> > feel

> > > > can the degs be used for timing although this is one solo case

> > and

> > > > statistical research needs to be carried out.

> > > >

> > > > My good friend Partha was also right on although he used

another

> > > > technique, which technique i havent been able to understand

yet.

> > > >

> > > > If i take the VL lord Mars then it was passing thro 0 bindu in

> > its BAV

> > > > and also its deb sign, Mars also being the Dasa lord.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > o Rasi or Graha dristi OR should we look at their influence

> > > > Rasi/Graha on the 'Lord' of the 11th from VL.

> > > >

> > > > */[Visti] Rdgi deqvi and look at both the sign and lord. The

Lord

> > > > indicates that which you are guided to do./*

> > > >

> > > > SJ: thanks

> > > >

> > > > i you have many yrs of experience in Jyotish and must have

> > > > keenly observed your own ups and downs in Jyotish studies,

have

> > you

> > > > seen some exaltation in ur Jyotish studies when Jup aspects

your

> > VL

> > > > to the degree or 6 deg orb. Or maybe the VL lord aspecting

the VL

> > > > itself.

> > > >

> > > > */[Visti] No. /*

> > > >

> > > > SJ: Sorry to hear that answer although logically it should,

but

> > still

> > > > thanks for the answer

> > > >

> > > > Thanking you,

> > > >

> > > > Sunil John

> > > > P.S: I shall reply to your previous letter and also Gauranga's

> > tom as

> > > > I am not well right now, kindly bear.

> > > >

> > > > **/[Visti] Sorry to hear hope to see you recuperate soon./**

> > > >

> > > > SJ: I am bit better now, thanks for ur well wishes.

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Dear???

I thought the topic was about professions of Brahmins. You quote a lot

from scriptures. Perhaps you may like to refer to manusmriti to find

out what are duties of a Brahmin.They certainly not singing or dancing

for making a livelihood as in the case of the native of the horoscope

under discussions, whose source of livelihood has been singing Love

songs and not Ramayana.

Chandrashekhar.

nameisego wrote:

 

Respected Sir,

Teaching is a portfolio of Guru.

Ramleela, Manabhattas , Bhavais are all practical teaching methods.

Who ever practices Teaching is a Brahmin/teacher .

Rules are formed for contemporary times and practices. Additions and

subtractions are to be made from time to time to retain the

meaning/usefulness of such rules.

Shastras as they were , may not offer all answers. As written in

another posting, A guru gives you a tool, or a seed and makes you

able to fashion out something useful from that.

Verbatim following of rules which may not convey full meaning can be

counter productive.

Rgds

Tatvam-Asi

vedic astrology,

Chandrashekhar

<boxdel>

wrote:

> Dear???,

> Acting and singing for money and for praise of god without seeking

> anything for the service rendered are two different things. If in

> Gujarat some Brahmans have made that as their profession it does

not

> mean that it is per shastras. Generally when one performs in

Ramlila it

> is not for earning moneys but as you state that appears to be

practice

> in Gujarat. If it is so it would not by itself make it the duty or

> profession of a Brahman. Of course if you one born to Brahman

parents

> as Brahman without reference to his work, perhaps we have a

different

> view point about looking at scriptures.

> Veda Vyasa said "janmani jayate shudrah karmaNi bhavati brahmanaH"

and

> it to that Brahman that Jyotish refers to when it gives certain

> qualities to Planets. I have not seen any scriptures saying that

these

> are the professions to be followed by Brahmans.

> You perhaps have seen some such thing. Could you look at the

scriptures

> and give a quote so that these are the professions of Brahmans?

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> nameisego wrote:

>

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekhar ji,

> >

> > The undersigned would beg to differ with you on the point of

> > profession ofBrahmins as actors and singers.

> >

> > 1) All Ramlilas, Bhavais were and are performed by NAYAK

subcaste

of

> > Brahmins in Gujarat.

> >

> > 2) Composing/singing of Harikathas was strictly reserved for

> > Brahmins. These people are known as MANA BHATTAS.

> >

> > This opportunity is also used to state that not only the

above

but,

> >

> > Vaidyas, Cooks also come under perview of Jupiterian

portfolio.

> >

> > Tatvam-Asi

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > You have vast knowledge about Varnada Lagna. I have

adoubt about

> > lata

> > > Mangeshkar case that you have analysed. You have stated

amongst

> > > professions of Brahmins Singer and Actor. As a matter of

fact,

if I

> > > remember right these were of those belonging to lower

classes.

> > These

> > > were not the professions of Brahmins as far as I know.

May I

know

> > the

> > > fererence text on astrology that states this?

> > > Regards,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > Visti Larsen wrote:

> > >

> > > > |Hare Räma Kåñëa|

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil, Namaskar

> > > >

> > > > A quote from a book;

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ...the professions or status/positions the native

takes on are

> > seen

> > > > from the Lagna and Ärüòha Lagna. Here it is

pertinent to

> > understand

> > > > that ones profession and occupation are two

separate things;

> > Business

> > > > psychologists deal with the behavior of clients

towards

products,

> > > > whilst private psychologists help people out of

their mental

> > > > abnormalities. However; in both cases the

profession/title is

> > that of

> > > > a psychologist, hence the differentiation.

> > > >

> > > > * Planets joining, lording and/or having Räçi

dåñöi on the

> > Lagna

> > > > or Ärüòha Lagna will indicate which traits

the native

> > identifies

> > > > themselves with and hence which professions

they will

enter.

> > > > * If the identified grahas are also in trines

in the

Navämça,

> > > > those professions will last.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > *Examples*

> > > >

> > > > /Chart /112: Lata Mangeskar - Singer (September

28, 1929,

> > 22:30:00,

> > > > 5:30:00 (East of GMT)( 75 E 50', 22 N 43'))

> > > >

> > > > Let us identify the profession of this native.

> > > >

> > > > The Varëada lagna is in Taurus, and the 11^th from

it is

> > unoccupied.

> > > > The lord Jupiter indicates the main profession as a

Brahmin.

This

> > > > could be a teacher, priest, singer, actor, writer,

etc.

> > > >

> > > > Now let us list out the planets which associate

with the Lagna

> > and

> > > > Ärüòha lagna. Jupiter, Moon, Mars the nodes and

Venus

associate

> > with

> > > > the lagna and Ärüòha lagna.

> > > >

> > > > Among these, Jupiter, Ketu and the Moon are placed

in the

trines

> > to

> > > > Navämça lagna. Jupiter can indicate a profession as

a teacher,

> > ketu as

> > > > a mathematician however Ketu in 6^th will not prove

auspicious,

> > whilst

> > > > Moon indicates a profession as a singer or vocalist.

> > > >

> > > > Among these the moon is strongest due to its

position in own

> > sign, and

> > > > will dominate due to the native finding most

comfort

(Svakñetra)

> > in

> > > > that profession.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I also taught this in the Nagpur conference - this

was taught

by

> > > > Guruji in New Jersey 2003 and in Puri 2004.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > *Visti Larsen*

> > > > visti@s... <visti@s...>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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> > > > ** Sunil John [jjnet2000_in]

> > > > *Sent:* 30 June 2004 08:36

> > > > *To:* vedic astrology

> > > > *Cc:* visti@s...

> > > > *Subject:* Varnada Lagna discussion with Shri Visti

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Visti,

> > > >

> > > > Pranam

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for ur compassionate reply, pls find my

humble queries

> > below

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shri Visti,

> > > > Namaskar

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for making this an interesting discussion.

Pls allow

me to

> > ask

> > > > some basic queries.

> > > > 1.Is the formula given by you different to what's

used in JHL

> > > >

> > > > **/[Visti] The Formula is the same, only it does

not use

degrees

> > like

> > > > JHora does./**

> > > >

> > > > SJ: Thanks for this

> > > >

> > > > 2.What Sunrise definition do you use for HL cal.

> > > >

> > > > */[Visti] Apparent Upper Limb./*

> > > >

> > > > SJ: I presume here u are referring to the tip of

the Suns disk

> > appears

> > > > to be on the eastern horizon.

> > > >

> > > > 3.Since Jyotish is a karmic act or in other sense

"a way of

doing

> > of

> > > > our karma" does the VL technique of seeing Jyotish

abilities

> > should

> > > > be more looked into the D10 or only Rasi.

> > > >

> > > > **/[Visti] VL has NOTHING to do with abilities. In

shows what

> > sustains

> > > > you. This is the 2^nd time you ask me this. VL in

Rdgi seems

> > > > sufficient for now./**

> > > >

> > > > SJ: I am sorry, as u know it takes me Triple time

to grasp

things

> > than

> > > > the average student, but i was thinking that ones

abilities is

> > what

> > > > makes one sustain. But i guess in some cases it

need not be

true.

> > > >

> > > > I was hoping that u would take up D10 in this area

> > > >

> > > > I was trying to look at ur chart this morning, but

somehow it

is

> > not

> > > > in my Pc, can u be kind to resend it.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 4. I have lagna Ge and HL in Leo, so adding 3+5=8,

so should

the

> > VL

> > > > be 8th from Aries or 8th from Ge Lagna, my

confusion lies

here,

> > pls

> > > > guide.

> > > >

> > > > */[Visti] 8^th from Aries. Remember I timed your

job from

this./*

> > > >

> > > > SJ: Yes u were bingo on timing the job, and after

that i have

lot

> > of

> > > > beleif in this technique which u taught, although I

feel

their is

> > more

> > > > to it and one can use the degs of VL also to a

major extent -

> > just my

> > > > thoughts,

> > > >

> > > > oh wow i just checked Visti, the deg of VL and the

giving

> > planets

> > > > dega was right on spot, bingo on the day it

happened. What do

u

> > feel

> > > > can the degs be used for timing although this is

one solo case

> > and

> > > > statistical research needs to be carried out.

> > > >

> > > > My good friend Partha was also right on although he

used

another

> > > > technique, which technique i havent been able to

understand

yet.

> > > >

> > > > If i take the VL lord Mars then it was passing thro

0 bindu in

> > its BAV

> > > > and also its deb sign, Mars also being the Dasa

lord.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > o Rasi or Graha dristi OR should we look at their

influence

> > > > Rasi/Graha on the 'Lord' of the 11th from VL.

> > > >

> > > > */[Visti] Rdgi deqvi and look at both the sign and

lord. The

Lord

> > > > indicates that which you are guided to do./*

> > > >

> > > > SJ: thanks

> > > >

> > > > i you have many yrs of experience in Jyotish and

must have

> > > > keenly observed your own ups and downs in Jyotish

studies,

have

> > you

> > > > seen some exaltation in ur Jyotish studies when Jup

aspects

your

> > VL

> > > > to the degree or 6 deg orb. Or maybe the VL lord

aspecting

the VL

> > > > itself.

> > > >

> > > > */[Visti] No. /*

> > > >

> > > > SJ: Sorry to hear that answer although logically it

should,

but

> > still

> > > > thanks for the answer

> > > >

> > > > Thanking you,

> > > >

> > > > Sunil John

> > > > P.S: I shall reply to your previous letter and also

Gauranga's

> > tom as

> > > > I am not well right now, kindly bear.

> > > >

> > > > **/[Visti] Sorry to hear hope to see you

recuperate soon./**

> > > >

> > > > SJ: I am bit better now, thanks for ur well wishes.

> > > >

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