Can we Use DECEASED'S horoscope to predict Post Morten events of his Family ?

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Dear Shailesh,

You need to provide Birth details of the native and not death details.

Attachments are not possible on many systems and groups as they are

filtered.

Hence please post only birth details.

Tatvam-Asi

 

 

vedic astrology, "Shailesh C Chadha"

<scc@s...> wrote:

> Namaste,

>

> I am attaching a chart - the native died on Dec. 21, 1997.[TOB has

not been

> rectified]

>

> I have some details about some incidents after the native's death -

future

> of his widow, child, brothers, etc.

>

> I can provide the details on this list or - perhaps - some learned

friends

> may want to try their predictive skills first.

>

> With best wishes,

>

> Shailesh C Chadha

> scchadha@h...; scc@s...

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Namaste,

 

Here are the details for those who could not access the JHD file attached with my last mail:

 

Oct 27, 1958, New Delhi, 11.30pm(unrectified)

 

Best regards,

 

Shailesh

 

 

+--------------+|Ket HL |Moo GL |MarR

Mnd | || | |Glk | ||

| | | || | | |

|| | | |

||-----------+-----------------------+-----------|| |

|Asc || | | ||

| | || | |

|| | | ||-----------|

Rasi |-----------|| | | ||

| | || |

| || | | || |

| ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||

|Sat |Sun Mer |Rah || | |Jup Ven

| || | |AL | || |

| | || | | |

|+--------------+

+--------------+|MarR Jup | |Mer

| ||Sat Ket | | | ||Glk |

| | || | | |

|| | | |

||-----------+-----------------------+-----------|| |

|Moo Mnd || | | ||

| | || | |

|| | | ||-----------|

Navamsa |-----------||Sun AL | | ||

| | || |

| || | | || |

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||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Ven |GL |HL

|Asc Rah || | | | ||

| | | || | | |

|| | | |

|+--------------+

 

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Friday, September 03, 2004 9:48 AM

[vedic astrology] Re: Can we Use DECEASED'S horoscope to predict Post

Morten events of his Family ?

> > > Dear Shailesh,> You need to provide Birth details of the native and not

death details.> Attachments are not possible on many systems and groups as they

are > filtered.> Hence please post only birth details.> Tatvam-Asi> > > --- In

vedic astrology, "Shailesh C Chadha" > <scc@s...> wrote:> >

Namaste,> > > > I am attaching a chart - the native died on Dec. 21, 1997.[TOB

has > not been> > rectified]> > > > I have some details about some incidents

after the native's death - > future> > of his widow, child, brothers, etc.> > >

> I can provide the details on this list or - perhaps - some learned > friends>

> may want to try their predictive skills first. > > > > With best wishes,> >

> > Shailesh C Chadha> > scchadha@h...; scc@s...> > > > >

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Dear Vishnu Ji,

Many experienced experts in this field of Jyotish use many technics but as on

experimental basis,I want to use only Vimshottari Dasha and transits.Now can

you please tell me are you the eldest child for your father ?

With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.

Vishnu Jandhyala <jvk1305 > wrote: Dear Sri Ramadasa Rao & Sri

ChandrasekharWhile I agree that use of deceased native's horoscope is

experimentalin nature and my own experiments with it border on failure

probablybecause I was/am attached to the deceased natives.However, I have a

different question. Why not start from/useAdhana/Nisheka Chakra? What is the

compelling reason to seperate JanmaChakra and Adhana/Nisheka Chakra?Different

chakras must represent various stages of evolution of thesoul(for lack of a

better word!). Eg., Nisheka/Adhana,Janma,Upanayana(possibly with some other

chakras) and Punya Chakra in that order.I had witnessed a native in Andhra

predict using Upanayana Chakra! Toobad, my interest then in astrology was

zero!warm regards,Vishnu--- Ramadas Rao wrote:> > ` nmae

naray[ay,> > om namo näräyaëäya|> > Dear Sathyanarayana Gupta Ji,> > I accept

your statements but I said we can do some researches in this> area and I got a

chart of deseased person whose chart has been sent> to me for study and very

soon, I will try to explain it and see how> it works or not.> > With Shri Hari

Vaayu Naama Smarana,> > Ramadas Rao.> > > > Sathiyanarayana Gupta wrote: > Dear

sarvashree Chandersekarji,Ramadasji &Chi.NarasimhaP.V.R.Rao,> > > > Bhrigu

sutras say that for all living beings Sun represents positive> and primal

front, I have to agree to it as energy is required for> metamorphosis.> > In

BPHS Rishi Maitreya expresses his longing ness to know about Hora> the general

part of Jyothis, which deals with the relationship of the> animals born on the

earth with the heavenly bodies. Here the words> ‘animals born’ was construed by

me as living beings for the reason> paramamans and jeevans may not be present

in cadavers, more further> the Purusharthas would not recoil to it (body) again

and again after> the Sole evacuating the remains, the Purusharthas follow the

Sole as> its shadow to prepare the Sole for its next birth to complete its>

unfulfilled desires. So I reasoned that after the separation of the> Sole from

the body that how come an Astrologer could read a horoscope> with out

purusharthans in it.> > Saravali states as:> Ch. 2. Meaning of Hor#257; > 1-5.

The Creator Brahma has written on the foreheads of all living> beings their

fates, which are deciphered by the astrologers through> their pure insight. The

first and last letters in the word> Ahor#257;tra are removed and the word

Hor#257; is thus born and has> come

to exist. The Zodiac and the planets are therein, as discussed.> Some scholars

say Hor#257;#347;#257;stra is indicative of effects of> one's Karma, i.e. fate.

Some call Lagna, or half of a R#257;#347;i,> as Hor#257;. In practice the

science relating to horoscope is called> Hor#257;#347;#257;stra. Hor#257; is

capable of analyzing the destiny.> Barring this Hor#257;#347;#257;stra there is

no device to help one> earn money, to help, as a boat, to cross the ocean of

unexpected> situations and to serve, as an advisor > > IN JOURNY > > ON going

through the above I have reasoned that after the end of the> life’s journey,

how come an Astrologer could read the fate. > > Further the poet sage Kalidasa

in his Jathakachandrika under the ch.> Rajayoga may not come, sloka 70 says

that even though the presence> Rajayoga is being witnessed in an horoscope, it

becomes useless and>

it would not bestow its effects later on, after breathing his last.> > It was on

the foregoing I have previously concluded that a deceased> person’s horoscope is

as obsolete and redundant.> > Since I am not living in the Nakkeerans’ era, I do

not want to argue> that your decisions are wrong; I humbly accept your decision

as a> pendulum for the present. > > With regards,> >

VedapuriBaskarabandulu.D.SathiyanarayanaGupta.> > > > > Ramadas Rao wrote: > `

nmae naray[ay,> > om namo näräyaëäya|> > Dear Chandrashekhar Ji,> > Thanks for

your mail in supporting my opinion.> > With Shri Hari Vaayu naama Smarana,> >

Ramadas Rao.> > > > Chandrashekhar wrote: Dear Ramadas Rao,> I tend to agree

with you.> Regards,>

Chandrashekhar.> > Ramadas Rao wrote:> > ` nmae naray[ay,> > om namo

näräyaëäya|> > Namaste Tattwam - Asi,> > When a person is alive and from his

chart everything about his> children can be told, even the person is died, the

futures of his> children are indicated in his Horoscope.The reason behind this

here> many clients are coming to me and asking many questions in life and> when

I was telling some events happened in their Fathers'life by> looking into their

charts,they agreed with me by many events.But> during such periods,I found

their Father was not alive.So If a dead> Father's chart can be delineated from

a living son/daughter's chart,> why not from a dead father's chart reveal about

the future of his> son/ s ? Ofcourse some research has to be done on this.> >

These are my opinions and other may differ but still can be tried.>

> With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,> > Ramadas Rao.> > > > nameisego wrote: >

Dear Friends,> > During Dhyana yesterday night, self was confronted with this

doubt > that,> "Can a dead person's Horoscope indicate future events of his >

children's life?"> > Undersigned will surely investigate during the course of

the day (As > it is 6.05 am ) and post his findings. But the ball is in your

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om namo näräyaëäya|

Dear Chandrashekhar Ji,

I fully agree with you regarding your explanations given in your mail.

Thanking you,

With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.

Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Sathiyanarayana Gupta,I think

you have missed the point on which the original mail sought opinions. The mail

was about predicting about children of a dead Native and not about the dead

person himself. Personally I do not see any reason that it should not be

possible to do so from native's 5th house. Death of a person does not

extinguish the fortune of his progeny. There are many planetary combinations

which indicate growth of a person on account of bhagya of his father. One can

also assess whether a person will follow his father's profession form his own

horoscope, even if the father is dead. Similarly one finds that there are

charts where indication of growth of the Native is only possible if he is away

from his father or after the death of father. Conversely growth of son after

separating from native or his death could be seen in a Native's chart.

If this is possible why should it not be possible to see the fortune of children

from a diseased father's chart is not clear from the description of explanation

of word Hora given by you.Would you care to explain in a bit more details any

reference about inability to do this in shastras? Your valued inputs would be

appreciated much.Regards,Chandrashekhar.Sathiyanarayana Gupta wrote:

Dear sarvashree Chandersekarji,Ramadasji &Chi.NarasimhaP.V.R.Rao,

 

Bhrigu sutras say that for all living beings Sun represents positive and primal

front, I have to agree to it as energy is required for metamorphosis.

In BPHS Rishi Maitreya expresses his longing ness to know about Hora the general

part of Jyothis, which deals with the relationship of the animals born on the

earth with the heavenly bodies. Here the words ‘animals born’ was construed by

me as living beings for the reason paramamans and jeevans may not be present in

cadavers, more further the Purusharthas would not recoil to it (body) again and

again after the Sole evacuating the remains, the Purusharthas follow the Sole

as its shadow to prepare the Sole for its next birth to complete its

unfulfilled desires. So I reasoned that after the separation of the Sole from

the body that how come an Astrologer could read a horoscope with out

purusharthans in it.

Saravali states as:

Ch. 2. Meaning of Horā

1-5. The Creator Brahma has written on the foreheads of all living beings their

fates, which are deciphered by the astrologers through their pure insight. The

first and last letters in the word Ahorātra are removed and the word

Horā is thus born and has come to exist. The Zodiac and the planets are

therein, as discussed. Some scholars say Horāśāstra is

indicative of effects of one's Karma, i.e. fate. Some call Lagna, or half of a

Rāśi, as Horā. In practice the science relating to horoscope is

called Horāśāstra. Horā is capable of analyzing the

destiny. Barring this Horāśāstra there is no device to help one

earn money, to help, as a boat, to cross the ocean of unexpected situations and

to serve, as an advisor

IN JOURNY

ON going through the above I have reasoned that after the end of the life’s

journey, how come an Astrologer could read the fate.

Further the poet sage Kalidasa in his Jathakachandrika under the ch. Rajayoga

may not come, sloka 70 says that even though the presence Rajayoga is being

witnessed in an horoscope, it becomes useless and it would not bestow its

effects later on, after breathing his last.

It was on the foregoing I have previously concluded that a deceased person’s

horoscope is as obsolete and redundant.

Since I am not living in the Nakkeerans’ era, I do not want to argue that your

decisions are wrong; I humbly accept your decision as a pendulum for the

present.

With regards,

VedapuriBaskarabandulu.D.SathiyanarayanaGupta.

Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

` nmae naray[ay,

om namo näräyaëäya|

Dear Chandrashekhar Ji,

Thanks for your mail in supporting my opinion.

With Shri Hari Vaayu naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.

Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Ramadas Rao,I tend to agree with

you.Regards,Chandrashekhar.Ramadas Rao wrote:

` nmae naray[ay,

om namo näräyaëäya|

Namaste Tattwam - Asi,

When a person is alive and from his chart everything about his children can be

told, even the person is died, the futures of his children are indicated in his

Horoscope.The reason behind this here many clients are coming to me and asking

many questions in life and when I was telling some events happened in their

Fathers'life by looking into their charts,they agreed with me by many

events.But during such periods,I found their Father was not alive.So If a dead

Father's chart can be delineated from a living son/daughter's chart, why not

from a dead father's chart reveal about the future of his son/ s ? Ofcourse

some research has to be done on this.

These are my opinions and other may differ but still can be tried.

With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.

nameisego <nameisego > wrote: Dear Friends,During Dhyana yesterday

night, self was confronted with this doubt that,"Can a dead person's Horoscope

indicate future events of his children's life?"Undersigned will surely

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Dear Sirs’,

In keeping in mind the query, and as well as in line with it I have then invited

all your good officers’ attention.

As regards to my quote from Saravali, I presume that you have over-looked the

1st sentence out of your anxiety to reply me. Now I shall repeat it preciously,

“The creator Brahma has written on the foreheads of all living beings their

fates, which are deciphered by the Astrologers “

Here we could easily understand that Saravali author means only Horoscopes of

living beings, by his words ‘Written on the foreheads of all living beings’.

>From this, it is quit clear that an Astrologer is authorized to decipher the

horoscopes of living beings only.

You say that from the 5th house of the deceased person’s horoscope we could

decipher the fortunes of their progeny. My logic is that Lagan in a horoscope

of a living being breaks the vicious circle of the Zodiac and pays the way for

an Astrologer to decipher it. My question is that how can an Astrologer

decipher a horoscope with out the Jeewan in it? If the wishes of Maharishis’

are that of your views, they have no reason to rock their heads to provide us

with “Ch.

10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> On lost horoscopy “

My seniors are also of the opinion that since our Vedic –Astrology is based on

our Hindu mythology that no orthodox Hindu Astrologer should venture on the

saythilams / remains of a deceased.

With these above I conclude and leave the rest to your choice.

With regards,VedapuriBaskarabandulu.D.Sathiyanarayanagupta Chandrashekhar

<boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Dear Sathiyanarayana Gupta,I think you have missed the point on which the

original mail sought opinions. The mail was about predicting about children of

a dead Native and not about the dead person himself. Personally I do not see

any reason that it should not be possible to do so from native's 5th house.

Death of a person does not extinguish the fortune of his progeny. There are

many planetary combinations which indicate growth of a person on account of

bhagya of his father. One can also assess whether a person will follow his

father's profession form his own horoscope, even if the father is dead.

Similarly one finds that there are charts where indication of growth of the

Native is only possible if he is away from his father or after the death of

father. Conversely growth of son after separating from native or his death

could

be seen in a Native's chart. If this is possible why should it not be possible

to see the fortune of children from a diseased father's chart is not clear

from the description of explanation of word Hora given by you.Would you care to

explain in a bit more details any reference about inability to do this in

shastras? Your valued inputs would be appreciated

much.Regards,Chandrashekhar.Sathiyanarayana Gupta wrote:

Dear sarvashree Chandersekarji,Ramadasji &Chi.NarasimhaP.V.R.Rao,

 

Bhrigu sutras say that for all living beings Sun represents positive and primal

front, I have to agree to it as energy is required for metamorphosis.

In BPHS Rishi Maitreya expresses his longing ness to know about Hora the general

part of Jyothis, which deals with the relationship of the animals born on the

earth with the heavenly bodies. Here the words ‘animals born’ was construed by

me as living beings for the reason paramamans and jeevans may not be present in

cadavers, more further the Purusharthas would not recoil to it (body) again and

again after the Sole evacuating the remains, the Purusharthas follow the Sole

as its shadow to prepare the Sole for its next birth to complete its

unfulfilled desires. So I reasoned that after the separation of the Sole from

the body that how come an Astrologer could read a horoscope with out

purusharthans in it.

Saravali states as:

Ch. 2. Meaning of Horā

1-5. The Creator Brahma has written on the foreheads of all living beings their

fates, which are deciphered by the astrologers through their pure insight. The

first and last letters in the word Ahorātra are removed and the word

Horā is thus born and has come to exist. The Zodiac and the planets are

therein, as discussed. Some scholars say Horāśāstra is

indicative of effects of one's Karma, i.e. fate. Some call Lagna, or half of a

Rāśi, as Horā. In practice the science relating to horoscope is

called Horāśāstra. Horā is capable of analyzing the

destiny. Barring this Horāśāstra there is no device to help one

earn money, to help, as a boat, to cross the ocean of unexpected situations and

to serve, as an advisor

IN JOURNY

ON going through the above I have reasoned that after the end of the life’s

journey, how come an Astrologer could read the fate.

Further the poet sage Kalidasa in his Jathakachandrika under the ch. Rajayoga

may not come, sloka 70 says that even though the presence Rajayoga is being

witnessed in an horoscope, it becomes useless and it would not bestow its

effects later on, after breathing his last.

It was on the foregoing I have previously concluded that a deceased person’s

horoscope is as obsolete and redundant.

Since I am not living in the Nakkeerans’ era, I do not want to argue that your

decisions are wrong; I humbly accept your decision as a pendulum for the

present.

With regards,

VedapuriBaskarabandulu.D.SathiyanarayanaGupta.

Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

` nmae naray[ay,

om namo näräyaëäya|

Dear Chandrashekhar Ji,

Thanks for your mail in supporting my opinion.

With Shri Hari Vaayu naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.

Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Ramadas Rao,I tend to agree with

you.Regards,Chandrashekhar.Ramadas Rao wrote:

` nmae naray[ay,

om namo näräyaëäya|

Namaste Tattwam - Asi,

When a person is alive and from his chart everything about his children can be

told, even the person is died, the futures of his children are indicated in his

Horoscope.The reason behind this here many clients are coming to me and asking

many questions in life and when I was telling some events happened in their

Fathers'life by looking into their charts,they agreed with me by many

events.But during such periods,I found their Father was not alive.So If a dead

Father's chart can be delineated from a living son/daughter's chart, why not

from a dead father's chart reveal about the future of his son/ s ? Ofcourse

some research has to be done on this.

These are my opinions and other may differ but still can be tried.

With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.

nameisego <nameisego > wrote: Dear Friends,During Dhyana yesterday

night, self was confronted with this doubt that,"Can a dead person's Horoscope

indicate future events of his children's life?"Undersigned will surely

investigate during the course of the day (As it is 6.05 am ) and post his

findings. But the ball is in your court for those of you who are in western

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Dear Sathiyanarayana Gupta,

I am certain that an astrologer of your vast knowledge is aware that

liberal use of Allegories and Similes is made by the Acharyas when

writing the texts. If we are to take the shlokas literally then most of

the powerful raj yogas can not happen in present times. these mention

one possessing such a large number of elephants that his Mada

(Secretion from eyes when a Bull Elephant is aroused) wetting ground.

Again almost all the powerful Dhana yogas and Raj yogas talk of

"bahudaarashca". Surely this does not happen.

About "saythilams/remains of deceased" being equated to using a

chart for deciphering a chart, I would like to know why we look to

curses of the dead (Pitar and such) and also why does one decipher

higher charts like D40, D45 and D60? Extending your logic all those

who talk of Purva karma and curses of parents/ Pitars as well as trying

to decipher matrilineal and patrilineal doshas would be indulging in

"saythilams/remains of deceased". This would even be applicable when

you decipher a dead persons chart to prove an astrological dictum

including those of the Lord Krishna and Lord Rama or Mahatma Gandhi for

that matter. Do you agree? Do the seniors really mean that? Even

quoting from Kalyanvarman, who is deceased, would then come under that

definition.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

Sathiyanarayana Gupta wrote:

Dear Sirs’,

In keeping

in mind the query, and as well as in line with it I have then invited

all your good officers’ attention.

As regards to my quote from Saravali, I

presume that you have over-looked the 1st sentence out of

your anxiety to reply me. Now I shall repeat it preciously,

“The creator Brahma has written on the foreheads of all living beings

their fates, which are deciphered by the Astrologers “

Here we could easily understand that

Saravali author means only Horoscopes of living beings,

by his words ‘Written on the foreheads of all living beings’.

>From this, it is quit clear that an Astrologer is authorized to

decipher the horoscopes of living beings only.

You say

that from the 5th house of the deceased person’s horoscope

we could decipher the fortunes of their progeny. My logic is that Lagan

in a horoscope of a living being breaks the vicious circle of the

Zodiac and pays the way for an Astrologer to decipher it. My question

is that how can an Astrologer decipher a horoscope with out the Jeewan

in it? If the wishes of Maharishis’ are that of your views, they have

no reason to rock their heads to provide us with “Ch. On lost

horoscopy “

My seniors are also of the opinion that

since our Vedic –Astrology is based on our Hindu mythology that no

orthodox Hindu Astrologer should venture on the saythilams / remains of

a deceased.

With these

above I conclude and leave the rest to your choice.

With regards,

VedapuriBaskarabandulu.D.Sathiyanarayanagupta

Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

wrote:

Dear Sathiyanarayana Gupta,

I think you have missed the point on which the original mail

sought opinions. The mail was about predicting about children of a dead

Native and not about the dead person himself. Personally I do not see

any reason that it should not be possible to do so from native's 5th

house. Death of a person does not extinguish the fortune of his

progeny. There are many planetary combinations which indicate growth of

a person on account of bhagya of his father. One can also assess

whether a person will follow his father's profession form his own

horoscope, even if the father is dead. Similarly one finds

that there are charts where indication of growth of the

Native is only possible if he is away from his father or after the

death of father. Conversely growth of son after separating from native

or his death could be seen in a Native's chart. If this is possible why

should it not be possible to see the fortune of children from a

diseased father's chart is not clear from the description of

explanation of word Hora given by you.

Would you care to explain in a bit more details any reference about

inability to do this in shastras? Your valued inputs would be

appreciated much.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

Sathiyanarayana Gupta wrote:

Dear sarvashree

Chandersekarji,Ramadasji &Chi.NarasimhaP.V.R.Rao,

 

Bhrigu sutras say that

for all living beings Sun represents positive and primal front, I have

to agree to it as energy is required for metamorphosis.

In BPHS Rishi Maitreya

expresses his longing ness to know about Hora the general part

of Jyothis, which deals with the relationship of the animals born

on the earth with the heavenly bodies. Here the words ‘animals

born’ was construed by me as living beings for the reason paramamans

and jeevans may not be present in cadavers, more further the

Purusharthas would not recoil to it (body) again and again after the

Sole evacuating the remains, the Purusharthas follow the Sole as its

shadow to prepare the Sole for its next birth to complete its

unfulfilled desires. So I reasoned that after the separation of the

Sole from the body that how come an Astrologer could read a horoscope

with out purusharthans in it.

Saravali

states as:

Ch. 2. Meaning

of Horā

1-5. The Creator Brahma has written on

the foreheads of all living beings their fates, which are deciphered by

the astrologers through their pure insight. The first and last letters

in the word Ahorātra are removed and the word Horā is thus born and has

come to exist. The Zodiac and the planets are therein, as discussed.

Some scholars say Horāśāstra is indicative of effects of one's Karma,

i.e. fate. Some call Lagna, or half of a Rāśi, as Horā. In practice the

science relating to horoscope is called Horāśāstra. Horā is capable of

analyzing the destiny. Barring this Horāśāstra there is no device to

help one earn money, to help, as a boat, to cross the ocean of

unexpected situations and to serve, as an advisor

IN JOURNY

ON going through the above I have

reasoned that after the end of the life’s journey, how come an

Astrologer could read the fate.

Further the poet sage Kalidasa in his

Jathakachandrika under the ch. Rajayoga may not come, sloka 70 says

that even though the presence Rajayoga is being witnessed in an

horoscope, it becomes useless and it would not bestow its effects later

on, after breathing his last.

It was on the foregoing I have

previously concluded that a deceased person’s horoscope is as obsolete

and redundant.

Since I am not living in the

Nakkeerans’ era, I do not want to argue that your decisions are wrong;

I humbly accept your decision as a pendulum for the present.

With regards,

VedapuriBaskarabandulu.D.SathiyanarayanaGupta.

 

Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in>

wrote:

`

nmae naray[ay,

om namo

näräyaëäya|

Dear Chandrashekhar Ji,

Thanks for your mail in supporting my opinion.

With Shri Hari Vaayu naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.

Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

wrote:

Dear

Ramadas Rao,

I tend to agree with you.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

Ramadas Rao wrote:

`

nmae naray[ay,

om namo

näräyaëäya|

Namaste Tattwam - Asi,

When a person is alive and from his chart

everything about his children can be told, even the person is died, the

futures of his children are indicated in his Horoscope.The reason

behind this here many clients are coming to me and asking many

questions in life and when I was telling some events happened in their

Fathers'life by looking into their charts,they agreed with me by many

events.But during such periods,I found their Father was not alive.So If

a dead Father's chart can be delineated from a living son/daughter's

chart, why not from a dead father's chart reveal about the future of

his son/ s ? Ofcourse some research has to be done on this.

These are my opinions and other may differ but

still can be tried.

With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.

nameisego <nameisego >

wrote:

Dear Friends,

During Dhyana yesterday night, self was confronted with this doubt

that,

"Can a dead person's Horoscope indicate future events of his

children's life?"

Undersigned will surely investigate during the course of the day (As

it is 6.05 am ) and post his findings. But the ball is in your court

for those of you who are in western hemisphere to dwell on this issue.

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Dear Sri Gupta,

 

Namasthe!

 

I would like to add my comments. You have quoted from Saravali -" The

creator Brahma has written on the foreheads of all living beings their

fates, which are deciphered by the Astrologers". The sloka says that

one can decipher what is written on foreheads of living beings, but

also does not rule out that one cannot.

 

I have observed a few charts (of deceased natives) which have

indicated family disturbances because of unfavorable transits with

reference to the chart. However, I would not want to completely accept

this, as the sample size is very small. I definitely find that there

is scope for further research in this area.

 

I also would not agree with your statement "...Vedic Astrology is

based on our Hindu mythology that..." When we say mythology, it means

fictitious (myth=fiction). There is considerable evidence of the

events that have taken place.

 

I would further rephrase the sentence as Hinduism is based on Vedic

principles and not the other way round.

 

Om Tat Sat,

 

Raman Suprajarama

 

 

______

Sathiyanarayana Gupta [gupta816]

Friday, September 10, 2004 7:12 PM

Chandrashekhar

Cc: Ramadas Rao; vedic astrology

Re: [vedic astrology] Can we Use DECEASED'S horoscope to

predict Post Morten events of his Family ?

 

Dear Sirs,

In keeping in mind the query, and as well as in line with it I have

then invited all your good officers attention.

As regards to my quote from Saravali, I presume that you have

over-looked the 1st sentence out of your anxiety to reply me. Now I

shall repeat it preciously, The creator Brahma has written on the

foreheads of all living beings their fates, which are deciphered by

the Astrologers

Here we could easily understand that Saravali author means only

Horoscopes of living beings, by his words Written on the foreheads of

all living beings. From this, it is quit clear that an Astrologer is

authorized to decipher the horoscopes of living beings only.

You say that from the 5th house of the deceased persons horoscope we

could decipher the fortunes of their progeny. My logic is that Lagan

in a horoscope of a living being breaks the vicious circle of the

Zodiac and pays the way for an Astrologer to decipher it. My question

is that how can an Astrologer decipher a horoscope with out the Jeewan

in it? If the wishes of Maharishis are that of your views, they have

no reason to rock their heads to provide us with Ch. On lost

horoscopy

My seniors are also of the opinion that since our Vedic Astrology is

based on our Hindu mythology that no orthodox Hindu Astrologer should

venture on the saythilams / remains of a deceased.

With these above I conclude and leave the rest to your choice.

With regards,

VedapuriBaskarabandulu.D.Sathiyanarayanagupta

 

Chandrashekhar <boxdel wrote:

Dear Sathiyanarayana Gupta,

I think you have missed the point on which the original mail sought

opinions. The mail was about predicting about children of a dead

Native and not about the dead person himself. Personally I do not see

any reason that it should not be possible to do so from native's 5th

house. Death of a person does not extinguish the fortune of his

progeny. There are many planetary combinations which indicate growth

of a person on account of bhagya of his father. One can also assess

whether a person will follow his father's profession form his own

horoscope, even if the father is dead. Similarly one finds that there

are charts where indication of  growth of the Native is only possible

if he is away from his father or after the death of father. Conversely

growth of son after separating from native or his death could be seen

in a Native's chart. If this is possible why should it not be possible

to see the fortune of children from a diseased father's chart  is not

clear from the description of explanation of word Hora given by you.

Would you care to explain in a bit more details any reference about

inability to do this in shastras? Your valued inputs would be

appreciated much.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

 

Sathiyanarayana Gupta wrote:

 

Dear sarvashree Chandersekarji,Ramadasji &Chi.NarasimhaP.V.R.Rao,

 

Bhrigu sutras say that for all living beings Sun represents positive

and primal front, I have to agree to it as energy is required for

metamorphosis.

In BPHS Rishi Maitreya expresses his longing ness to know about Hora

the general part of Jyothis, which deals with the relationship of the

animals born on the earth with the heavenly bodies. Here the words

animals born was construed by me as living beings for the reason

paramamans and jeevans may not be present in cadavers, more further

the Purusharthas would not recoil to it (body) again and again after

the Sole evacuating the remains, the Purusharthas follow the Sole as

its shadow to prepare the Sole for its next birth to complete its

unfulfilled desires. So I reasoned that after the separation of the

Sole from the body that how come an Astrologer could read a horoscope

with out purusharthans in it.

 Saravali states as:

Ch. 2. Meaning of Horâ

1-5. The Creator Brahma has written on the foreheads of all living

beings their fates, which are deciphered by the astrologers through

their pure insight. The first and last letters in the word Ahorâtra

are removed and the word Horâ is thus born and has come to exist. The

Zodiac and the planets are therein, as discussed. Some scholars say

Horâúâstra is indicative of effects of one's Karma, i.e. fate. Some

call Lagna, or half of a Râúi, as Horâ. In practice the science

relating to horoscope is called Horâúâstra. Horâ is capable of

analyzing the destiny. Barring this Horâúâstra there is no device to

help one earn money, to help, as a boat, to cross the ocean of

unexpected situations and to serve, as an advisor

IN JOURNY

ON going through the above I have reasoned that after the end of the

lifes journey, how come an Astrologer could read the fate.

Further the poet sage Kalidasa in his Jathakachandrika under the ch.

Rajayoga may not come, sloka 70 says that even though the presence

Rajayoga is being witnessed in an horoscope, it becomes useless and it

would not bestow its effects later on, after breathing his last.

It was on the foregoing I have previously concluded that a deceased

persons horoscope is as obsolete and redundant.

Since I am not living in the Nakkeerans era, I do not want to argue

that your decisions are wrong; I humbly accept your decision as a

pendulum for the present.

With regards,

VedapuriBaskarabandulu.D.SathiyanarayanaGupta.

 

 

 

Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao wrote:

` nmae naray[ay,

om namo ndrdyakdya|

Dear Chandrashekhar Ji,

Thanks for your mail in supporting my opinion.

With Shri Hari Vaayu naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.

 

 

 

Chandrashekhar <boxdel wrote:

Dear Ramadas Rao,

I tend to agree with you.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

 

Ramadas Rao wrote:

 

` nmae naray[ay,

om namo ndrdyakdya|

Namaste Tattwam - Asi,

When a person is alive and from his chart everything about his

children can be told, even the person is died, the futures of his

children are indicated in his Horoscope.The reason behind this here

many clients are coming to me and asking many questions in life and

when I was telling some events happened in their Fathers'life by

looking into their charts,they agreed with me by many events.But

during such periods,I found their Father was not alive.So If a dead

Father's chart can be delineated from a living son/daughter's chart,

why not from a dead father's chart reveal about the future of his son/

s ? Ofcourse some research has to be done on this.

These are my opinions and other may differ but still can be tried.

With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.

 

 

 

nameisego <nameisego wrote:

 

Dear Friends,

 

During Dhyana yesterday night, self was confronted with this doubt 

that,

"Can a dead person's Horoscope indicate future events of his

children's life?"

 

Undersigned will surely investigate during the course of the day (As

it is 6.05 am ) and post his findings. But the ball is in your court

for those of you who are in western hemisphere to dwell on this issue.

 

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Dear Sarvashree. Chandrasekharji, Tatwam-Asiji,

My seniors who are only Veda-Pundits (not practicing Vedic-Astrologers), they

are of the opinion that in Mahagharishi Pathanjali Yoga Soothras more

particularly in sloka 36 He explains that what is Hirthaya-pathma-kamalaa,

Sookshuma Naadi running (during once life) in it, its relations with the outer

Planets Sun, Moon etc., After the demise of an ordinary being, the

Hirthaya-pathma-kaamala and there running Sooshuma Naadi sever its connections

with the body and naturally the Lagna point which breaks the vicious zodiac

circle, function as a cause of birth of a horoscope (of a living being) looses

its validity. When a Lagna looses its validity the question of identifying the

various bhavas in a horoscope would be futile attempt and the results would be

erratic.

Hence I am of the humble opinion that those who have accepted Hindu Mythology,

if venture to verify the horoscope of a deceased, goes against his own accepted

beliefs, is an act of sin committed .I think that this may be the reason that as

to why Maharishi Parasar advocates his disciple Rishi Maitreya that the Jyothish

should not fall into the hands of

Students, who are not peacefully disposed, who do not honour the preceptors

(and elders), not god-fearing, a heterodox and a crafty person. If taught, it

would be Woeful forever.

I am sorry that I have given you a cause to worry. I am in pursuit of knowledge.

With regards,

VedapuriBaskarabandulu.D.SathiyanarayanaGupta.

Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Dear Sathiyanarayana Gupta,I am certain that an astrologer of your vast

knowledge is aware that liberal use of Allegories and Similes is made by the

Acharyas when writing the texts. If we are to take the shlokas literally then

most of the powerful raj yogas can not happen in present times. these mention

one possessing such a large number of elephants that his Mada (Secretion from

eyes when a Bull Elephant is aroused) wetting ground. Again almost all the

powerful Dhana yogas and Raj yogas talk of "bahudaarashca". Surely this does

not happen.About "saythilams/remains of deceased" being equated to using a

chart for deciphering a chart, I would like to know why we look to curses of

the dead (Pitar and such) and also why does one decipher higher charts like

D40, D45 and D60? Extending your logic all those who talk of Purva karma and

curses of parents/ Pitars as well as

trying to decipher matrilineal and patrilineal doshas would be indulging in

"saythilams/remains of deceased". This would even be applicable when you

decipher a dead persons chart to prove an astrological dictum including those

of the Lord Krishna and Lord Rama or Mahatma Gandhi for that matter. Do you

agree? Do the seniors really mean that? Even quoting from Kalyanvarman, who is

deceased, would then come under that

definition.Regards,Chandrashekhar.Sathiyanarayana Gupta wrote:

Dear Sirs’,

In keeping in mind the query, and as well as in line with it I have then invited

all your good officers’ attention.

As regards to my quote from Saravali, I presume that you have over-looked the

1st sentence out of your anxiety to reply me. Now I shall repeat it preciously,

“The creator Brahma has written on the foreheads of all living beings their

fates, which are deciphered by the Astrologers “

Here we could easily understand that Saravali author means only Horoscopes of

living beings, by his words ‘Written on the foreheads of all living beings’.

>From this, it is quit clear that an Astrologer is authorized to decipher the

horoscopes of living beings only.

You say that from the 5th house of the deceased person’s horoscope we could

decipher the fortunes of their progeny. My logic is that Lagan in a horoscope

of a living being breaks the vicious circle of the Zodiac and pays the way for

an Astrologer to decipher it. My question is that how can an Astrologer

decipher a horoscope with out the Jeewan in it? If the wishes of Maharishis’

are that of your views, they have no reason to rock their heads to provide us

with “Ch. On lost horoscopy “

My seniors are also of the opinion that since our Vedic –Astrology is based on

our Hindu mythology that no orthodox Hindu Astrologer should venture on the

saythilams / remains of a deceased.

With these above I conclude and leave the rest to your choice.

With regards,VedapuriBaskarabandulu.D.Sathiyanarayanagupta Chandrashekhar

<boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Sathiyanarayana Gupta,I think you have missed

the point on which the original mail sought opinions. The mail was about

predicting about children of a dead Native and not about the dead person

himself. Personally I do not see any reason that it should not be possible to

do so from native's 5th house. Death of a person does not extinguish the

fortune of his progeny. There are many planetary combinations which indicate

growth of a person on account of bhagya of his father. One can also assess

whether a person will follow his father's profession form his own horoscope,

even if the father is dead. Similarly one finds that there are charts where

indication of growth of the Native is only possible if he is away from his

father or after the death of father. Conversely growth of son after separating

from native or his death

could be seen in a Native's chart. If this is possible why should it not be

possible to see the fortune of children from a diseased father's chart is not

clear from the description of explanation of word Hora given by you.Would you

care to explain in a bit more details any reference about inability to do this

in shastras? Your valued inputs would be appreciated

much.Regards,Chandrashekhar.Sathiyanarayana Gupta wrote:

Dear sarvashree Chandersekarji,Ramadasji &Chi.NarasimhaP.V.R.Rao,

 

Bhrigu sutras say that for all living beings Sun represents positive and primal

front, I have to agree to it as energy is required for metamorphosis.

In BPHS Rishi Maitreya expresses his longing ness to know about Hora the general

part of Jyothis, which deals with the relationship of the animals born on the

earth with the heavenly bodies. Here the words ‘animals born’ was construed by

me as living beings for the reason paramamans and jeevans may not be present in

cadavers, more further the Purusharthas would not recoil to it (body) again and

again after the Sole evacuating the remains, the Purusharthas follow the Sole

as its shadow to prepare the Sole for its next birth to complete its

unfulfilled desires. So I reasoned that after the separation of the Sole from

the body that how come an Astrologer could read a horoscope with out

purusharthans in it.

Saravali states as:

Ch. 2. Meaning of Horā

1-5. The Creator Brahma has written on the foreheads of all living beings their

fates, which are deciphered by the astrologers through their pure insight. The

first and last letters in the word Ahorātra are removed and the word

Horā is thus born and has come to exist. The Zodiac and the planets are

therein, as discussed. Some scholars say Horāśāstra is

indicative of effects of one's Karma, i.e. fate. Some call Lagna, or half of a

Rāśi, as Horā. In practice the science relating to horoscope is

called Horāśāstra. Horā is capable of analyzing the

destiny. Barring this Horāśāstra there is no device to help one

earn money, to help, as a boat, to cross the ocean of unexpected situations and

to serve, as an advisor

IN JOURNY

ON going through the above I have reasoned that after the end of the life’s

journey, how come an Astrologer could read the fate.

Further the poet sage Kalidasa in his Jathakachandrika under the ch. Rajayoga

may not come, sloka 70 says that even though the presence Rajayoga is being

witnessed in an horoscope, it becomes useless and it would not bestow its

effects later on, after breathing his last.

It was on the foregoing I have previously concluded that a deceased person’s

horoscope is as obsolete and redundant.

Since I am not living in the Nakkeerans’ era, I do not want to argue that your

decisions are wrong; I humbly accept your decision as a pendulum for the

present.

With regards,

VedapuriBaskarabandulu.D.SathiyanarayanaGupta.

Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

` nmae naray[ay,

om namo näräyaëäya|

Dear Chandrashekhar Ji,

Thanks for your mail in supporting my opinion.

With Shri Hari Vaayu naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.

Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Ramadas Rao,I tend to agree with

you.Regards,Chandrashekhar.Ramadas Rao wrote:

` nmae naray[ay,

om namo näräyaëäya|

Namaste Tattwam - Asi,

When a person is alive and from his chart everything about his children can be

told, even the person is died, the futures of his children are indicated in his

Horoscope.The reason behind this here many clients are coming to me and asking

many questions in life and when I was telling some events happened in their

Fathers'life by looking into their charts,they agreed with me by many

events.But during such periods,I found their Father was not alive.So If a dead

Father's chart can be delineated from a living son/daughter's chart, why not

from a dead father's chart reveal about the future of his son/ s ? Ofcourse

some research has to be done on this.

These are my opinions and other may differ but still can be tried.

With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.

nameisego <nameisego > wrote: Dear Friends,During Dhyana yesterday

night, self was confronted with this doubt that,"Can a dead person's Horoscope

indicate future events of his children's life?"Undersigned will surely

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You may be correct, but in the long run I may digest it.

Thanks for your steps to correct me.

With regards.

D.SathiyanarayanaGupta.

Raman Suprajarama <cru115 (AT) niranjanbabu (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Sri Gupta,Namasthe!I would like to add my comments. You have quoted from

Saravali -" Thecreator Brahma has written on the foreheads of all living beings

theirfates, which are deciphered by the Astrologers". The sloka says thatone can

decipher what is written on foreheads of living beings, butalso does not rule

out that one cannot.I have observed a few charts (of deceased natives) which

haveindicated family disturbances because of unfavorable transits withreference

to the chart. However, I would not want to completely acceptthis, as the sample

size is very small. I definitely find that thereis scope for further research

in this area.I also would not agree with your statement "...Vedic Astrology

isbased on our Hindu mythology that..." When we say mythology, it

meansfictitious (myth=fiction). There is

considerable evidence of theevents that have taken place. I would further

rephrase the sentence as Hinduism is based on Vedicprinciples and not the other

way round.Om Tat Sat,Raman

Suprajarama______Sathiyanarayana Gupta

[gupta816 ] Friday, September 10, 2004 7:12 PMTo:

ChandrashekharCc: Ramadas Rao; vedic astrologySubject: Re:

[vedic astrology] Can we Use DECEASED'S horoscope topredict Post Morten events

of his Family ?Dear Sirs,In keeping in mind the query, and as well as in line

with it I havethen invited all your good officers attention.As regards to my

quote from Saravali, I presume that you haveover-looked the 1st sentence out of

your anxiety to reply me. Now Ishall repeat it preciously, The creator Brahma

has written on theforeheads of all living beings their fates, which are

deciphered bythe

Astrologers Here we could easily understand that Saravali author means

onlyHoroscopes of living beings, by his words Written on the foreheads ofall

living beings. From this, it is quit clear that an Astrologer isauthorized to

decipher the horoscopes of living beings only.You say that from the 5th house

of the deceased persons horoscope wecould decipher the fortunes of their

progeny. My logic is that Laganin a horoscope of a living being breaks the

vicious circle of theZodiac and pays the way for an Astrologer to decipher it.

My questionis that how can an Astrologer decipher a horoscope with out the

Jeewanin it? If the wishes of Maharishis are that of your views, they haveno

reason to rock their heads to provide us with Ch. On losthoroscopy My seniors

are also of the opinion that since our Vedic Astrology isbased on our Hindu

mythology that no orthodox Hindu Astrologer shouldventure on the saythilams /

remains of a

deceased. With these above I conclude and leave the rest to your choice.With

regards,VedapuriBaskarabandulu.D.Sathiyanarayanagupta Chandrashekhar wrote:

Dear Sathiyanarayana Gupta,I think you have missed the point on which the

original mail soughtopinions. The mail was about predicting about children of a

deadNative and not about the dead person himself. Personally I do not seeany

reason that it should not be possible to do so from native's 5thhouse. Death of

a person does not extinguish the fortune of hisprogeny. There are many planetary

combinations which indicate growthof a person on account of bhagya of his

father. One can also assesswhether a person will follow his father's profession

form his ownhoroscope, even if the father is dead. Similarly one finds that

thereare charts where indication of growth of the Native is only possibleif he

is away from his father or after the death of

father. Converselygrowth of son after separating from native or his death could

be seenin a Native's chart. If this is possible why should it not be possibleto

see the fortune of children from a diseased father's chart is notclear from the

description of explanation of word Hora given by you.Would you care to explain

in a bit more details any reference aboutinability to do this in shastras? Your

valued inputs would beappreciated much.Regards,Chandrashekhar.Sathiyanarayana

Gupta wrote:Dear sarvashree Chandersekarji,Ramadasji

&Chi.NarasimhaP.V.R.Rao,Bhrigu sutras say that for all living beings Sun

represents positiveand primal front, I have to agree to it as energy is

required formetamorphosis.In BPHS Rishi Maitreya expresses his longing ness to

know about Horathe general part of Jyothis, which deals with the relationship

of theanimals born on the earth with the heavenly bodies. Here the

wordsanimals born was construed by me as living beings for the

reasonparamamans and jeevans may not be present in cadavers, more furtherthe

Purusharthas would not recoil to it (body) again and again afterthe Sole

evacuating the remains, the Purusharthas follow the Sole asits shadow to

prepare the Sole for its next birth to complete itsunfulfilled desires. So I

reasoned that after the separation of theSole from the body that how come an

Astrologer could read a horoscopewith out purusharthans in it. Saravali states

as:Ch. 2. Meaning of Horâ 1-5. The Creator Brahma has written on the foreheads

of all livingbeings their fates, which are deciphered by the astrologers

throughtheir pure insight. The first and last letters in the word Ahorâtraare

removed and the word Horâ is thus born and has come to exist. TheZodiac and the

planets are therein, as discussed. Some scholars sayHorâúâstra is indicative of

effects of one's

Karma, i.e. fate. Somecall Lagna, or half of a Râúi, as Horâ. In practice the

sciencerelating to horoscope is called Horâúâstra. Horâ is capable ofanalyzing

the destiny. Barring this Horâúâstra there is no device tohelp one earn money,

to help, as a boat, to cross the ocean ofunexpected situations and to serve, as

an advisor IN JOURNY ON going through the above I have reasoned that after the

end of thelifes journey, how come an Astrologer could read the fate. Further

the poet sage Kalidasa in his Jathakachandrika under the ch.Rajayoga may not

come, sloka 70 says that even though the presenceRajayoga is being witnessed in

an horoscope, it becomes useless and itwould not bestow its effects later on,

after breathing his last.It was on the foregoing I have previously concluded

that a deceasedpersons horoscope is as obsolete and redundant.Since I am not

living in the Nakkeerans era, I do not want to arguethat your

decisions are wrong; I humbly accept your decision as apendulum for the present.

With regards,VedapuriBaskarabandulu.D.SathiyanarayanaGupta.Ramadas Rao wrote: `

nmae naray[ay,om namo ndrdyakdya|Dear Chandrashekhar Ji,Thanks for your mail in

supporting my opinion.With Shri Hari Vaayu naama Smarana,Ramadas

Rao.Chandrashekhar wrote: Dear Ramadas Rao,I tend to agree with

you.Regards,Chandrashekhar.Ramadas Rao wrote:` nmae naray[ay,om namo

ndrdyakdya|Namaste Tattwam - Asi,When a person is alive and from his chart

everything about hischildren can be told, even the person is died, the futures

of hischildren are indicated in his Horoscope.The reason behind this heremany

clients are coming to me and asking many questions in life andwhen I was

telling some events happened in their Fathers'life bylooking into their

charts,they agreed with me by many events.Butduring such periods,I found their

Father was not alive.So If a deadFather's chart can be delineated from a living

son/daughter's chart,why not from a dead father's chart reveal about the future

of his son/s ? Ofcourse some research has to be done on this.These are my

opinions and other may differ but still can be tried.With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama

Smarana,Ramadas Rao.nameisego wrote: Dear Friends,During Dhyana yesterday night,

self was confronted with this doubt that,"Can a dead person's Horoscope

indicate future events of his children's life?"Undersigned will surely

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I would agree with Ramanji by referring to Hindu religion as a

civilisation and not mythology. Modern history as we know it is written

from around 1300 AD and Hindu civilisation is more than 5000 years old.

If no research is done by the Government and the Archeology Deptt for

recording events prior to 1300 AD for reasons political, it does not

mean that Hindu civilisation is a mere belief and myth.

Pran Razdan

--- Sathiyanarayana Gupta <gupta816 wrote:

 

>

> Dear Shri.Raman Suprajaramaji,

>

> You may be correct, but in the long run I may digest it.

>

> Thanks for your steps to correct me.

>

> With regards.

>

> D.SathiyanarayanaGupta.

>

>

>

>

> Raman Suprajarama <cru115 wrote:

> Dear Sri Gupta,

>

> Namasthe!

>

> I would like to add my comments. You have quoted from Saravali -" The

> creator Brahma has written on the foreheads of all living beings

> their

> fates, which are deciphered by the Astrologers". The sloka says that

> one can decipher what is written on foreheads of living beings, but

> also does not rule out that one cannot.

>

> I have observed a few charts (of deceased natives) which have

> indicated family disturbances because of unfavorable transits with

> reference to the chart. However, I would not want to completely

> accept

> this, as the sample size is very small. I definitely find that there

> is scope for further research in this area.

>

> I also would not agree with your statement "...Vedic Astrology is

> based on our Hindu mythology that..." When we say mythology, it means

> fictitious (myth=fiction). There is considerable evidence of the

> events that have taken place.

>

> I would further rephrase the sentence as Hinduism is based on Vedic

> principles and not the other way round.

>

> Om Tat Sat,

>

> Raman Suprajarama

>

>

> ______

> Sathiyanarayana Gupta [gupta816]

> Friday, September 10, 2004 7:12 PM

> Chandrashekhar

> Cc: Ramadas Rao; vedic astrology

> Re: [vedic astrology] Can we Use DECEASED'S horoscope to

> predict Post Morten events of his Family ?

>

> Dear Sirs,

> In keeping in mind the query, and as well as in line with it I have

> then invited all your good officers attention.

> As regards to my quote from Saravali, I presume that you have

> over-looked the 1st sentence out of your anxiety to reply me. Now I

> shall repeat it preciously, The creator Brahma has written on the

> foreheads of all living beings their fates, which are deciphered by

> the Astrologers

> Here we could easily understand that Saravali author means only

> Horoscopes of living beings, by his words Written on the foreheads

> of

> all living beings. From this, it is quit clear that an Astrologer is

> authorized to decipher the horoscopes of living beings only.

> You say that from the 5th house of the deceased persons horoscope we

> could decipher the fortunes of their progeny. My logic is that Lagan

> in a horoscope of a living being breaks the vicious circle of the

> Zodiac and pays the way for an Astrologer to decipher it. My question

> is that how can an Astrologer decipher a horoscope with out the

> Jeewan

> in it? If the wishes of Maharishis are that of your views, they have

> no reason to rock their heads to provide us with Ch. On lost

> horoscopy

> My seniors are also of the opinion that since our Vedic Astrology is

> based on our Hindu mythology that no orthodox Hindu Astrologer should

> venture on the saythilams / remains of a deceased.

> With these above I conclude and leave the rest to your choice.

> With regards,

> VedapuriBaskarabandulu.D.Sathiyanarayanagupta

>

> Chandrashekhar wrote:

> Dear Sathiyanarayana Gupta,

> I think you have missed the point on which the original mail sought

> opinions. The mail was about predicting about children of a dead

> Native and not about the dead person himself. Personally I do not see

> any reason that it should not be possible to do so from native's 5th

> house. Death of a person does not extinguish the fortune of his

> progeny. There are many planetary combinations which indicate growth

> of a person on account of bhagya of his father. One can also assess

> whether a person will follow his father's profession form his own

> horoscope, even if the father is dead. Similarly one finds that there

> are charts where indication of growth of the Native is only possible

> if he is away from his father or after the death of father.

> Conversely

> growth of son after separating from native or his death could be seen

> in a Native's chart. If this is possible why should it not be

> possible

> to see the fortune of children from a diseased father's chart is not

> clear from the description of explanation of word Hora given by you.

> Would you care to explain in a bit more details any reference about

> inability to do this in shastras? Your valued inputs would be

> appreciated much.

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Sathiyanarayana Gupta wrote:

>

> Dear sarvashree Chandersekarji,Ramadasji &Chi.NarasimhaP.V.R.Rao,

>

> Bhrigu sutras say that for all living beings Sun represents positive

> and primal front, I have to agree to it as energy is required for

> metamorphosis.

> In BPHS Rishi Maitreya expresses his longing ness to know about Hora

> the general part of Jyothis, which deals with the relationship of the

> animals born on the earth with the heavenly bodies. Here the words

> animals born was construed by me as living beings for the reason

> paramamans and jeevans may not be present in cadavers, more further

> the Purusharthas would not recoil to it (body) again and again after

> the Sole evacuating the remains, the Purusharthas follow the Sole as

> its shadow to prepare the Sole for its next birth to complete its

> unfulfilled desires. So I reasoned that after the separation of the

> Sole from the body that how come an Astrologer could read a horoscope

> with out purusharthans in it.

> Saravali states as:

> Ch. 2. Meaning of Horâ

> 1-5. The Creator Brahma has written on the foreheads of all living

> beings their fates, which are deciphered by the astrologers through

> their pure insight. The first and last letters in the word Ahorâtra

> are removed and the word Horâ is thus born and has come to exist. The

> Zodiac and the planets are therein, as discussed. Some scholars say

> Horâúâstra is indicative of effects of one's Karma, i.e. fate. Some

> call Lagna, or half of a Râúi, as Horâ. In practice the science

> relating to horoscope is called Horâúâstra. Horâ is capable of

> analyzing the destiny. Barring this Horâúâstra there is no device to

> help one earn money, to help, as a boat, to cross the ocean of

> unexpected situations and to serve, as an advisor

> IN JOURNY

> ON going through the above I have reasoned that after the end of the

> lifes journey, how come an Astrologer could read the fate.

> Further the poet sage Kalidasa in his Jathakachandrika under the ch.

> Rajayoga may not come, sloka 70 says that even though the presence

> Rajayoga is being witnessed in an horoscope, it becomes useless and

> it

> would not bestow its effects later on, after breathing his last.

> It was on the foregoing I have previously concluded that a deceased

> persons horoscope is as obsolete and redundant.

> Since I am not living in the Nakkeerans era, I do not want to argue

> that your decisions are wrong; I humbly accept your decision as a

> pendulum for the present.

> With regards,

> VedapuriBaskarabandulu.D.SathiyanarayanaGupta.

>

>

>

> Ramadas Rao wrote:

> ` nmae naray[ay,

> om namo ndrdyakdya|

> Dear Chandrashekhar Ji,

> Thanks for your mail in supporting my opinion.

> With Shri Hari Vaayu naama Smarana,

> Ramadas Rao.

>

>

>

> Chandrashekhar wrote:

> Dear Ramadas Rao,

> I tend to agree with you.

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Ramadas Rao wrote:

>

> ` nmae naray[ay,

> om namo ndrdyakdya|

> Namaste Tattwam - Asi,

> When a person is alive and from his chart everything about his

> children can be told, even the person is died, the futures of his

> children are indicated in his Horoscope.The reason behind this here

> many clients are coming to me and asking many questions in life and

> when I was telling some events happened in their Fathers'life by

> looking into their charts,they agreed with me by many events.But

> during such periods,I found their Father was not alive.So If a dead

> Father's chart can be delineated from a living son/daughter's chart,

> why not from a dead father's chart reveal about the future of his

> son/

> s ? Ofcourse some research has to be done on this.

> These are my opinions and other may differ but still can be tried.

> With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

> Ramadas Rao.

>

>

>

> nameisego wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> During Dhyana yesterday night, self was confronted with this doubt

> that,

>

=== message truncated ===

 

 

 

 

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Dear Sathianarayanaji,

You have chosen not to answer the question that I raised in bold. Would

you mind giving opinion on the point under discussion? I would like to

know what according to the Vedic Pandits that you refer to is use of

remains of diseased ? The way you wrote in your earlier mail even

discussing charts of the dead would be considered so by them.If that

be so, what about Sage Parashara talking about yogas in dead kings?

Would the Pandits credit Parashara father of Vyasa with the same sins?

I think Maharishi Patanjali is credited with Yoga Sutras, by the way

Patanjali's 35th and 36th Sutras read:

vishayavati va pravrittir utpanna manasah sthiti-nibandhani

35. The awakening of subtle sensory vision can hold the mind in a state

of

steadiness, (35)

vishoka va jyotishmati

36. Or a state of serene luminosity, (36)

There no reference as you state here in.May I know the Sutra the Vedic

pandits are referring to?

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

Sathiyanarayana Gupta wrote:

Dear Sarvashree.

Chandrasekharji, Tatwam-Asiji,

My seniors who are

only Veda-Pundits (not practicing Vedic-Astrologers), they are of the

opinion that in Mahagharishi Pathanjali Yoga Soothras more particularly

in sloka 36 He explains that what is Hirthaya-pathma-kamalaa, Sookshuma

Naadi running (during once life) in it, its relations with the outer

Planets Sun, Moon etc., After the demise of an ordinary being, the

Hirthaya-pathma-kaamala and there running Sooshuma Naadi sever its

connections with the body and naturally the Lagna point which breaks

the vicious zodiac circle, function as a cause

of birth of a horoscope (of a living being)

looses its validity. When a Lagna looses its validity the question of

identifying the various bhavas in a horoscope would be futile attempt

and the results would be erratic.

Hence I am of the

humble opinion that those who have accepted Hindu Mythology, if venture

to verify the horoscope of a deceased, goes against his own accepted

beliefs, is an act of sin committed .I think that this may be the

reason that as to why Maharishi Parasar advocates his disciple Rishi

Maitreya that the Jyothish should not fall into the hands of

Students, who are not peacefully disposed, who do not

honour the preceptors (and elders), not god-fearing, a heterodox and a

crafty person. If taught, it would be Woeful forever.

I am sorry that I have

given you a cause to worry. I am in pursuit of knowledge.

With regards,

VedapuriBaskarabandulu.D.SathiyanarayanaGupta.

 

Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

wrote:

Dear

Sathiyanarayana Gupta,

I am certain that an astrologer of your vast knowledge is aware that

liberal use of Allegories and Similes is made by the Acharyas when

writing the texts. If we are to take the shlokas literally then most of

the powerful raj yogas can not happen in present times. these mention

one possessing such a large number of elephants that his Mada

(Secretion from eyes when a Bull Elephant is aroused) wetting ground.

Again almost all the powerful Dhana yogas and Raj yogas talk of

"bahudaarashca". Surely this does not happen.

About "saythilams/remains of deceased" being equated to using a

chart for deciphering a chart, I would like to know why we look to

curses of the dead (Pitar and such) and also why does one decipher

higher charts like D40, D45 and D60? Extending your logic all those

who talk of Purva karma and curses of parents/ Pitars as well as trying

to decipher matrilineal and patrilineal doshas would be indulging in

"saythilams/remains of deceased". This would even be applicable when

you decipher a dead persons chart to prove an astrological dictum

including those of the Lord Krishna and Lord Rama or Mahatma Gandhi for

that matter. Do you agree? Do the seniors really mean that? Even

quoting from Kalyanvarman, who is deceased, would then come under that

definition.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

Sathiyanarayana Gupta wrote:

Dear Sirs’,

In keeping

in mind the query, and as well as in line with it I have then invited

all your good officers’ attention.

As regards to my quote from Saravali, I

presume that you have over-looked the 1st sentence out of

your anxiety to reply me. Now I shall repeat it preciously, “The

creator Brahma has written on the foreheads of all living beings their

fates, which are deciphered by the Astrologers “

Here we could easily understand that

Saravali author means only Horoscopes of living beings, by his

words ‘Written on the foreheads of all living beings’. >From

this, it is quit clear that an Astrologer is authorized to decipher the

horoscopes of living beings only.

You say

that from the 5th house of the deceased person’s horoscope

we could decipher the fortunes of their progeny. My logic is that Lagan

in a horoscope of a living being breaks the vicious circle of the

Zodiac and pays the way for an Astrologer to decipher it. My question

is that how can an Astrologer decipher a horoscope with out the Jeewan

in it? If the wishes of Maharishis’ are that of your views, they have

no reason to rock their heads to provide us with “Ch. On lost

horoscopy “

My seniors are also of the opinion that

since our Vedic –Astrology is based on our Hindu mythology that no

orthodox Hindu Astrologer should venture on the saythilams / remains of

a deceased.

With these above I

conclude and leave the rest to your choice.

With regards,

VedapuriBaskarabandulu.D.Sathiyanarayanagupta

Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

wrote:

Dear Sathiyanarayana Gupta,

I think you have missed the point on which the original

mail sought opinions. The mail was about predicting about children of a

dead Native and not about the dead person himself. Personally I do not

see any reason that it should not be possible to do so from native's

5th house. Death of a person does not extinguish the fortune of his

progeny. There are many planetary combinations which indicate growth of

a person on account of bhagya of his father. One can also assess

whether a person will follow his father's profession form his own

horoscope, even if the father is dead. Similarly one finds

that there are charts where indication of growth of the

Native is only possible if he is away from his father or after the

death of father. Conversely growth of son after separating from native

or his death could be seen in a Native's chart. If this is possible why

should it not be possible to see the fortune of children from a

diseased father's chart is not clear from the description of

explanation of word Hora given by you.

Would you care to explain in a bit more details any reference about

inability to do this in shastras? Your valued inputs would be

appreciated much.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

Sathiyanarayana Gupta wrote:

Dear sarvashree

Chandersekarji,Ramadasji &Chi.NarasimhaP.V.R.Rao,

 

Bhrigu sutras say that

for all living beings Sun represents positive and primal front, I have

to agree to it as energy is required for metamorphosis.

In BPHS Rishi Maitreya

expresses his longing ness to know about Hora the general part

of Jyothis, which deals with the relationship of the animals born

on the earth with the heavenly bodies. Here the words ‘animals

born’ was construed by me as living beings for the reason paramamans

and jeevans may not be present in cadavers, more further the

Purusharthas would not recoil to it (body) again and again after the

Sole evacuating the remains, the Purusharthas follow the Sole as its

shadow to prepare the Sole for its next birth to complete its

unfulfilled desires. So I reasoned that after the separation of the

Sole from the body that how come an Astrologer could read a horoscope

with out purusharthans in it.

Saravali

states as:

Ch. 2. Meaning

of Horā

1-5. The Creator Brahma has written on

the foreheads of all living beings their fates, which are deciphered by

the astrologers through their pure insight. The first and last letters

in the word Ahorātra are removed and the word Horā is thus born and has

come to exist. The Zodiac and the planets are therein, as discussed.

Some scholars say Horāśāstra is indicative of effects of one's Karma,

i.e. fate. Some call Lagna, or half of a Rāśi, as Horā. In practice the

science relating to horoscope is called Horāśāstra. Horā is capable of

analyzing the destiny. Barring this Horāśāstra there is no device to

help one earn money, to help, as a boat, to cross the ocean of

unexpected situations and to serve, as an advisor

IN JOURNY

ON going through the above I have

reasoned that after the end of the life’s journey, how come an

Astrologer could read the fate.

Further the poet sage Kalidasa in his

Jathakachandrika under the ch. Rajayoga may not come, sloka 70 says

that even though the presence Rajayoga is being witnessed in an

horoscope, it becomes useless and it would not bestow its effects later

on, after breathing his last.

It was on the foregoing I have

previously concluded that a deceased person’s horoscope is as obsolete

and redundant.

Since I am not living in the

Nakkeerans’ era, I do not want to argue that your decisions are wrong;

I humbly accept your decision as a pendulum for the present.

With regards,

VedapuriBaskarabandulu.D.SathiyanarayanaGupta.

 

Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in>

wrote:

`

nmae naray[ay,

om namo

näräyaëäya|

Dear Chandrashekhar Ji,

Thanks for your mail in supporting my opinion.

With Shri Hari Vaayu naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.

Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

wrote:

Dear

Ramadas Rao,

I tend to agree with you.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

Ramadas Rao wrote:

`

nmae naray[ay,

om namo

näräyaëäya|

Namaste Tattwam - Asi,

When a person is alive and from his chart

everything about his children can be told, even the person is died, the

futures of his children are indicated in his Horoscope.The reason

behind this here many clients are coming to me and asking many

questions in life and when I was telling some events happened in their

Fathers'life by looking into their charts,they agreed with me by many

events.But during such periods,I found their Father was not alive.So If

a dead Father's chart can be delineated from a living son/daughter's

chart, why not from a dead father's chart reveal about the future of

his son/ s ? Ofcourse some research has to be done on this.

These are my opinions and other may differ but

still can be tried.

With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.

nameisego <nameisego >

wrote:

Dear Friends,

During Dhyana yesterday night, self was confronted with this doubt

that,

"Can a dead person's Horoscope indicate future events of his

children's life?"

Undersigned will surely investigate during the course of the day (As

it is 6.05 am ) and post his findings. But the ball is in your court

for those of you who are in western hemisphere to dwell on this issue.

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Thank you very much for your kind reply.Ishall re-examine and advise , in due course.

D.SathiyanarayanaGupta.Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Dear Sathianarayanaji,You have chosen not to answer the question that I raised

in bold. Would you mind giving opinion on the point under discussion? I would

like to know what according to the Vedic Pandits that you refer to is use of

remains of diseased ? The way you wrote in your earlier mail even discussing

charts of the dead would be considered so by them.If that be so, what about

Sage Parashara talking about yogas in dead kings? Would the Pandits credit

Parashara father of Vyasa with the same sins? I think Maharishi Patanjali is

credited with Yoga Sutras, by the way Patanjali's 35th and 36th Sutras

read:vishayavati va pravrittir utpanna manasah sthiti-nibandhani 35. The

awakening of subtle sensory vision can hold the mind in a state of steadiness,

(35) vishoka va jyotishmati 36. Or a state of serene luminosity, (36) There no

reference as you state here in.May I know the Sutra the Vedic pandits are

referring to?Regards,Chandrashekhar.Sathiyanarayana Gupta wrote:

Dear Sarvashree. Chandrasekharji, Tatwam-Asiji,

My seniors who are only Veda-Pundits (not practicing Vedic-Astrologers), they

are of the opinion that in Mahagharishi Pathanjali Yoga Soothras more

particularly in sloka 36 He explains that what is Hirthaya-pathma-kamalaa,

Sookshuma Naadi running (during once life) in it, its relations with the outer

Planets Sun, Moon etc., After the demise of an ordinary being, the

Hirthaya-pathma-kaamala and there running Sooshuma Naadi sever its connections

with the body and naturally the Lagna point which breaks the vicious zodiac

circle, function as a cause of birth of a horoscope (of a living being) looses

its validity. When a Lagna looses its validity the question of identifying the

various bhavas in a horoscope would be futile attempt and the results would be

erratic.

Hence I am of the humble opinion that those who have accepted Hindu Mythology,

if venture to verify the horoscope of a deceased, goes against his own accepted

beliefs, is an act of sin committed .I think that this may be the reason that as

to why Maharishi Parasar advocates his disciple Rishi Maitreya that the Jyothish

should not fall into the hands of

Students, who are not peacefully disposed, who do not honour the preceptors

(and elders), not god-fearing, a heterodox and a crafty person. If taught, it

would be Woeful forever.

I am sorry that I have given you a cause to worry. I am in pursuit of knowledge.

With regards,

VedapuriBaskarabandulu.D.SathiyanarayanaGupta.

Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Sathiyanarayana Gupta,I am

certain that an astrologer of your vast knowledge is aware that liberal use of

Allegories and Similes is made by the Acharyas when writing the texts. If we

are to take the shlokas literally then most of the powerful raj yogas can not

happen in present times. these mention one possessing such a large number of

elephants that his Mada (Secretion from eyes when a Bull Elephant is aroused)

wetting ground. Again almost all the powerful Dhana yogas and Raj yogas talk of

"bahudaarashca". Surely this does not happen.About "saythilams/remains of

deceased" being equated to using a chart for deciphering a chart, I would like

to know why we look to curses of the dead (Pitar and such) and also why does

one decipher higher charts like D40, D45 and D60? Extending your logic all

those who talk of Purva karma and curses of parents/ Pitars as well

as trying to decipher matrilineal and patrilineal doshas would be indulging in

"saythilams/remains of deceased". This would even be applicable when you

decipher a dead persons chart to prove an astrological dictum including those

of the Lord Krishna and Lord Rama or Mahatma Gandhi for that matter. Do you

agree? Do the seniors really mean that? Even quoting from Kalyanvarman, who is

deceased, would then come under that

definition.Regards,Chandrashekhar.Sathiyanarayana Gupta wrote:

Dear Sirs’,

In keeping in mind the query, and as well as in line with it I have then invited

all your good officers’ attention.

As regards to my quote from Saravali, I presume that you have over-looked the

1st sentence out of your anxiety to reply me. Now I shall repeat it preciously,

“The creator Brahma has written on the foreheads of all living beings their

fates, which are deciphered by the Astrologers “

Here we could easily understand that Saravali author means only Horoscopes of

living beings, by his words ‘Written on the foreheads of all living beings’.

>From this, it is quit clear that an Astrologer is authorized to decipher the

horoscopes of living beings only.

You say that from the 5th house of the deceased person’s horoscope we could

decipher the fortunes of their progeny. My logic is that Lagan in a horoscope

of a living being breaks the vicious circle of the Zodiac and pays the way for

an Astrologer to decipher it. My question is that how can an Astrologer

decipher a horoscope with out the Jeewan in it? If the wishes of Maharishis’

are that of your views, they have no reason to rock their heads to provide us

with “Ch. On lost horoscopy “

My seniors are also of the opinion that since our Vedic –Astrology is based on

our Hindu mythology that no orthodox Hindu Astrologer should venture on the

saythilams / remains of a deceased.

With these above I conclude and leave the rest to your choice.

With regards,VedapuriBaskarabandulu.D.Sathiyanarayanagupta Chandrashekhar

<boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Sathiyanarayana Gupta,I think you have missed

the point on which the original mail sought opinions. The mail was about

predicting about children of a dead Native and not about the dead person

himself. Personally I do not see any reason that it should not be possible to

do so from native's 5th house. Death of a person does not extinguish the

fortune of his progeny. There are many planetary combinations which indicate

growth of a person on account of bhagya of his father. One can also assess

whether a person will follow his father's profession form his own horoscope,

even if the father is dead. Similarly one finds that there are charts where

indication of growth of the Native is only possible if he is away from his

father or after the death of father. Conversely growth of son after separating

from native or his death

could be seen in a Native's chart. If this is possible why should it not be

possible to see the fortune of children from a diseased father's chart is not

clear from the description of explanation of word Hora given by you.Would you

care to explain in a bit more details any reference about inability to do this

in shastras? Your valued inputs would be appreciated

much.Regards,Chandrashekhar.Sathiyanarayana Gupta wrote:

Dear sarvashree Chandersekarji,Ramadasji &Chi.NarasimhaP.V.R.Rao,

 

Bhrigu sutras say that for all living beings Sun represents positive and primal

front, I have to agree to it as energy is required for metamorphosis.

In BPHS Rishi Maitreya expresses his longing ness to know about Hora the general

part of Jyothis, which deals with the relationship of the animals born on the

earth with the heavenly bodies. Here the words ‘animals born’ was construed by

me as living beings for the reason paramamans and jeevans may not be present in

cadavers, more further the Purusharthas would not recoil to it (body) again and

again after the Sole evacuating the remains, the Purusharthas follow the Sole

as its shadow to prepare the Sole for its next birth to complete its

unfulfilled desires. So I reasoned that after the separation of the Sole from

the body that how come an Astrologer could read a horoscope with out

purusharthans in it.

Saravali states as:

Ch. 2. Meaning of Horā

1-5. The Creator Brahma has written on the foreheads of all living beings their

fates, which are deciphered by the astrologers through their pure insight. The

first and last letters in the word Ahorātra are removed and the word

Horā is thus born and has come to exist. The Zodiac and the planets are

therein, as discussed. Some scholars say Horāśāstra is

indicative of effects of one's Karma, i.e. fate. Some call Lagna, or half of a

Rāśi, as Horā. In practice the science relating to horoscope is

called Horāśāstra. Horā is capable of analyzing the

destiny. Barring this Horāśāstra there is no device to help one

earn money, to help, as a boat, to cross the ocean of unexpected situations and

to serve, as an advisor

IN JOURNY

ON going through the above I have reasoned that after the end of the life’s

journey, how come an Astrologer could read the fate.

Further the poet sage Kalidasa in his Jathakachandrika under the ch. Rajayoga

may not come, sloka 70 says that even though the presence Rajayoga is being

witnessed in an horoscope, it becomes useless and it would not bestow its

effects later on, after breathing his last.

It was on the foregoing I have previously concluded that a deceased person’s

horoscope is as obsolete and redundant.

Since I am not living in the Nakkeerans’ era, I do not want to argue that your

decisions are wrong; I humbly accept your decision as a pendulum for the

present.

With regards,

VedapuriBaskarabandulu.D.SathiyanarayanaGupta.

Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

` nmae naray[ay,

om namo näräyaëäya|

Dear Chandrashekhar Ji,

Thanks for your mail in supporting my opinion.

With Shri Hari Vaayu naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.

Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Ramadas Rao,I tend to agree with

you.Regards,Chandrashekhar.Ramadas Rao wrote:

` nmae naray[ay,

om namo näräyaëäya|

Namaste Tattwam - Asi,

When a person is alive and from his chart everything about his children can be

told, even the person is died, the futures of his children are indicated in his

Horoscope.The reason behind this here many clients are coming to me and asking

many questions in life and when I was telling some events happened in their

Fathers'life by looking into their charts,they agreed with me by many

events.But during such periods,I found their Father was not alive.So If a dead

Father's chart can be delineated from a living son/daughter's chart, why not

from a dead father's chart reveal about the future of his son/ s ? Ofcourse

some research has to be done on this.

These are my opinions and other may differ but still can be tried.

With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.

nameisego <nameisego > wrote: Dear Friends,During Dhyana yesterday

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indicate future events of his children's life?"Undersigned will surely

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