wondering if I will have another chance - To Shri Mukund

September 20, 2004

Hello Jayashree:

I've read the notes you've posted attempting to prove that "Rahu is

12th" doesn't always cause bondage, sexual immorality and illegaly

obtained wealth.

Yes, I agree the the "Rahu in 12th" results are greatly modified by

the placement in a good rashi, i.e. Gemini, Virgo, Taurus and Aries.

I also agree that the nature of "Rahu in 12th" is somewhat modified

by its placement in a good nakshatra (Jupiter ruled nakshatras).

Firstly, "Planet in house" dictum never fails. Secondly "Planet in

Rashi" dictum never fails. These two are enough for a broad-brush

prediction. Thereafter, one can apply all the high-level mumbo-jumbo

WHICH usually fails.

The only high-level mumbo-jumbo that I've seen give consistent

results is Sanjay Rath's notes about predicting nature of spouse and

the quaility of marriage based on Upapada Lagna and planets/rashis in

2nd and 12th from Upapada.

See, in the case of Paul Macartney, he DID have to go

through "bondage" like situation as his wife was frequently

hospitalized and he had to care for her. -- See, Rahu in 12th dictum

didn't fail.

Swami Vivekanada's chart confuses me. I know a woman with Rahu in

12th in Scorpio, this woman has the worst character in the world--she

sells herself, lies, steals, does everthing that the society frowns

upon as long as her actions benefit her--she also has Sun in

Mooltrikona in 9th house, but this great placement seems to have been

compeltely eclipsed by debilitated Rahu in 6th.

Now, don't worry about your Rahu too much--it is well-disposited by

the Lagna lord who again is well placed. Well, in your case, Jupiter

is in a friendly rashi in the throne who becomes a good protector.

I have Saturn in 5th in the enemy Rashi of Pisces and evertime I go

through Saturn Anatara-pratyantara, my life turns upside down--see,

the dictum about bad effects of Shani in 5th doesn't fail here.

Mukund

vedic astrology, "Jayashree"

<Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote:

> Mukundji,

>

> Consider the chart of Swami Vivekananda. His chart comes with JHL

> 6.0. He has debilitated Rahu in Scorpio in 12th house. His Sanyasa

> Marga does not need my re-introduction.

>

> Also, based on the info provided by another member, consider the

> chart of Paul McCartney. His chart has Rahu with Gulika in 12 in

Leo.

> As I read his life history yesterday, I came to know his wife

fought

> and eventually was given away to Breast Cancer. This I would

> attribute to being indicated by Jup, McCartney's 4/7th lord

acquiring

> Kendradipathi dosha placed in 10th house and in A7 conjoining Sun,

> the dispositor of Rahu with Gulika in 12th house. Nevertheless, it

> goes without further saying that his wife hasn't afterall "suffered

> hospitalization along with extra-marital affairs along with earning

> money through unfair means".

>

> In my own chart : Oct 31 1971, 2:32 PM, Madras, Rahu is co-lord of

> Aquarius lagna, placed in another of Sani's houses thereby strongly

> signifying Sanidev, and placed in 6th lord (waxing) Moon's star in

2,

> having healthy trinal relationship with dispositor and lagnesh Sani

> where Sani is also placed in a friendly sign in a kendra. Also to

be

> noted that Rahu is devoid of any further malefic aspects or

> associations such as Gulika or Mandi.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Jayashree

>

> vedic astrology, "Jayashree"

> <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote:

> > Mukundji,

> >

> > I don't agree with you.

> >

> > It may be a different question whether someone ascends

spiritually

> > in a birth or not. However, sinful activities such as murder,

> > adultery, cruelty to children/animals/others are the resultant

> > of 'poorva paap'. While Rahu will assist in unfolding the sinful

> > deeds or poorva paap, Rahu is nevertheless 'not' the indicator of

> > accumulated sins. Infact, no single planet can be. It should

rather

> > be indicated by the affliction to certain key-houses.

> >

> > In the lady's chart, though Mars is well-placed as lord of poorva

> > punya in Swa-kshetra, the presence of Mercury who is 3rd/12th

lord

> > and dispositor of Rahu/Gulika/Mandi in the 5th, and the

affliction

> > to jala-tattwa planet Venus by two fiery planets Mars and Sun,

and

> > the affliction to natural lord of intellect Budha by the same

fiery

> > planets in the house of intellect, along with a Sasa yoga caused

by

> > malefic Saturn on the Kalathra-Bhava show the poorva-paap. Rahu

has

> > helped in unfolding this poorva-paap.

> >

> > Rahu plays a key-role in giving materialistic fruits and helps to

> > grow ahamkara/moha and Vanity. Where Rahu is placed in the house

of

> > loss, this causes a deficiency that can manifest as delay in

> > fructification of the fruits of one's efforts. This is what a

stand-

> > alone Rahu is capable of producing and *nothing more*. Where a

> > native's chart has collective good karma, along a different view,

> > Rahu as in 12th house causing delays and obstacles is conducive

to

> > breaking lethargy and tamo-guna to work harder which is good for

> the

> > native in the long-run.

> >

> > This is my view and I do not differ wee-bit from my earlier

stand.

> > Though I'm not versed in Jyotish formally, my instincts tell me

> this

> > is the right answer.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Jayashree

> >

> > vedic astrology, "monmuk111"

> <monmuk111>

> > wrote:

> > > Hello Jayashree:

> > >

> > > I remember you have Rahu in 12th and couple of years back you

had

> > > told me that your life events/experience doesn't fit the dictum

> > about

> > > Rahu in 12th. You may be an exception; however, in a few cases

> > I've

> > > seen, this dictum doesn't fail.

> > >

> > > I've seen Rahu in 12th causing bondage of some sort--difficult

to

> > > predict, but could be in form of hospitalization or actual

> > > imprisonment or bondage like situation.

> > >

> > > I've seen Rahu in 12th causing the native to earn a lot of

money,

> > > usually through illegal or underhanded activities, for which

the

> > > native usually gets caught and punished or maligned.

> > >

> > > I've seen Rahu in 12th causing the person to ignore societal

> norms

> > in

> > > ones behavior. Sexual excesses and adultry are a form of breach

> of

> > > societal norms.

> > >

> > > Now, I know you haven't experienced/behaved in any of the

above

> > > situation with your 12th house Rahu, but in my little

experience,

> > > I've seen this dictum does come true and that's what I've said

> > here.

> > >

> > > What I've said isn't the universal truth. There are exceptions

> and

> > > there are exceptions to the exceptions. What I've noted is a

> > > generality.

> > >

> > > You're still very young, lot of life is yet to be experienced.

> > Let's

> > > hope it doesn't come true in your case as you're such a nice

> > person.

> > >

> > > Mukund

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "Jayashree"

> > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote:

> > > > Mukundji & list,

> > > >

> > > > It may not be the best interest of a Jyotishi to apply any

> > dictum

> > > > blindfold. It was during my Rahu's bhukti I found secure re-

> > > > employment and realization of a long-term wish to have a

second

> > > > child, giving the direction to a seeming disarray of things

for

> > a 3

> > > > yr period. Only caveat which 'may' fit with your list is that

I

> > > > suffered for a 5 month period with severe shoulder pain (Jan -

> > > > May '04) that the doctor called as 'Muscular spasm' and I was

> > > banned

> > > > from taking medicines too since I had conceived my child. But

> > this

> > > > miraculously disappeared with no treatment in mid-May, so the

> > > doctor

> > > > reversed the plate as 'no spasm'. This too, I bet, is more of

> > > > transit results as Meena Rasi has been in a kind of 'Grahana'

> > for

> > > > sometime now with Rahu in 2nd, Ketu in 8, Jupiter (till

> > recently)

> > > in

> > > > 6, Sani in Ardhashtaka. I *never* faced any other bad-stuff

> > listed

> > > > due to 12th house Rahu, but I can say I have a tendency to

> blame

> > > > myself for no mistake on my part and feel unnecessarily

guilty

> > > > sometimes.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > >

> > > > Jayashree

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "monmuk111"

> > > <monmuk111>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Hello Debbie:

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for being bold and truthful and sharing the

additional

> > > > > information, it helps the Jyotish greatly.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now, here is a prediction I had done for you on the

Jagannath

> > > > board

> > > > > when I didn't know ANYTHING about your personal life and I

> > just

> > > > noted

> > > > > that some of the things I had told you were true--here is

an

> > > > excerpt

> > > > > from my reading:

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

___________________

> > > > _

> > > > > "Hello Deborah:

> > > > >

> > > > > You've not entered a new dasa, but a new antardasa in the

> maha

> > > > (main)

> > > > > dasa of Mars.

> > > > >

> > > > > Your Rahu is placed in the 12th house from Lagna so it is

> > > expected

> > > > to

> > > > > give you problems. Rahu in 12th USUSALLY gives health

> problems

> > and

> > > > > related confinement, litigation and related punishment,

sexual

> > > > > excesses and related results like unwanted pregnancies,

STD,

> > etc."

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

___________________

> > > > _

> > > > >

> > > > > You've told us about your extra-marital affair which I had

> > > > predicted

> > > > > that are the results of 12th house Rahu. You also told us

> > > > > about "unwanted" pregnancies that I had predicted which

also

> > are

> > > a

> > > > > result indifference to societal norms, which in turn are a

> > result

> > > > of

> > > > > 12th house Rahu.

> > > > >

> > > > > The saving grace is Rahu's placement in a favorable rashi

in

> > > > Gemini.

> > > > > Rahu's 12th house placement let you astray and Rahu's

> > benefical

> > > > > placement in Gemini brough a sense of self-awareness in you

> > which

> > > > > will lead to self-improvement. Had the 12th house Rahu

placed

> > in

> > > a

> > > > > rashi bad for Rahu such as Saggitarius or Pices, it would

> have

> > > > ruined

> > > > > your life.

> > > > >

> > > > > See, the old sages knew what they were talking about when

> they

> > > > wrote

> > > > > up all these dictums.--They do come true.

> > > > >

> > > > > Well, this gives me a small shot of confidence in my

> > predicting

> > > > > ability.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now, the issue at hand is for the GURUS to come up with a

> > remedy

> > > > > that'll bring some peace in your life. Let's hope some

GURUS

> > take

> > > > up

> > > > > the challenge.

> > > > >

> > > > > Mukund

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "the_lighted1"

> > > > <m18deb@a...>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Hello,

> > > > > > I just wanted to include some relevant information in

> regard

> > to

> > > > my

> > > > > > chart that may be useful. I thought that I posted

earlier

> > but

> > > I

> > > > > > guess that I did it wrong because I don't see it. I

thank

> > > > everyone

> > > > > > for their insight and am using it to understand my chart

> > > > better,

> > > > > > Thanks again.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I was married the first time on December 20th, 1981 the

> same

> > > > year

> > > > > > that I graduated from high school and had a son on June

> 8th,

> > > > 1982.

> > > > > I

> > > > > > separated from my husband in May of 1983 and was having

an

> > > extra

> > > > > > marital affair and my husband whom I had filed for

divorce

> > from

> > > > and

> > > > > > was in a different relationship himself killed himself by

> > > > shooting

> > > > > > himself in the head with a rifle in the back yard of his

> > > > mother's

> > > > > > home on April 25, 1984

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My second marriage was May 17th, 1989. I had a son by

him

> > > prior

> > > > to

> > > > > > the marriage on August 30th 1987 and another son after we

> > were

> > > > > > married on September 6th, 1989. That husband was a

severe

> > > > > alcoholic

> > > > > > who was very abusive and I separated from him less than a

> > year

> > > > > after

> > > > > > we were married but never filed for a divorce. The day I

> > > kicked

> > > > > him

> > > > > > out was January 20th 1990 and he died of the delirium

> > tremens

> > > > which

> > > > > > are the DT's caused by withdraw from alcohol on October

14,

> > > > 1992.

> > > > > > That was the day before his 34th birthday.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Other things that may be of interest are that my two

> > youngest

> > > > sons

> > > > > > have been raised by my mother and father since July of

> > 1992.

> > > > This

> > > > > > was voluntarily at first when I was financially not able

to

> > do

> > > > so,

> > > > > > but as time went by my mother did what she could to

prevent

> > my

> > > > sons

> > > > > > from living with me and discouraged them to do so. I do

see

> > > them

> > > > > all

> > > > > > of the time but my mother I feel betrayed me in not

> > encouraging

> > > > my

> > > > > > sons to want to live with me and we have had a very

> strained

> > > > > > relationship.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > thanks again,

> > > > > > Debbie

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <boxdel>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Ramesh,

> > > > > > > Saturn becomes Shubha being in own house and attracts

> > > > > Kendradhipati

> > > > > > > dosha, thus giving some bad results related to one's

> Lagna

> > if

> > > > in

> > > > > > 7th.

> > > > > > > Being 8th Lord in 7th he is also capable of harming the

> > > > > indications

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > 7th house. These two are separate issues and need to be

> > > viewed

> > > > as

> > > > > > such.

> > > > > > > I would say the problems in marriage could arise out

of

> > > > either

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > being able to communicate with spouse or due to a

> somewhat

> > > > > negative

> > > > > > view

> > > > > > > of looking at things and suspicious nature.

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ramesh Gangaramani wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji,

> > > > > > > > Thank you for your comments and for pointing out that

> > > Saturn

> > > > is

> > > > > > 8L

> > > > > > > > too. I want to understand the earlier comment of

yours.

> > > Does

> > > > it

> > > > > > imply

> > > > > > > > that Saturn in this case will not be shubha though

> > placed

> > > in

> > > > > own

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > or because it is placed in own house? Will the dictum

> > > > > of 'Saturn

> > > > > > > > protects the house in which it is placed' get diluted

> > > > because

> > > > > it

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > own house?

> > > > > > > > Kind regards

> > > > > > > > Ramesh

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ** Chandrashekhar [boxdel]

> > > > > > > > *Sent:* Sunday, September 12, 2004 12:30 AM

> > > > > > > > *To:* Ramesh Gangaramani

> > > > > > > > *Cc:* vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > *Subject:* Re: [vedic astrology] I have been

> widowed

> > > > twice

> > > > > > and am

> > > > > > > > wondering if I will have another chance

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Debbie/Ramesh,

> > > > > > > > I would think Debbie might marry again around

April

> > > 2005

> > > > > and

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > marriage is likely to be more fortunate. The

person

> > > > would

> > > > > be

> > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > mature in age than Debbie, is what I think.

> > > > > > > > By the way Ramesh, Malefic owning a Kendra is

> Shubha

> > if

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > occupying that Kendra, Saturn is in Kendra in

own

> > > house

> > > > > and

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > 8th lord too.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Ramesh Gangaramani wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> Satyam Bruyat Priyam Buryat

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Debbie,

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> I am sorry to hear about the tragedies in your

> > life. I

> > > > am

> > > > > > > >> initiating a discussion based on my initial

> > > > observations.

> > > > > > > >> In case of females 8H signifies magalaya =

marital

> > > bond,

> > > > > > > >> subhagya, vaidhavya = widowhood. In D1, 8H is

> > aspected

> > > > by

> > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > >> and Rahu. In D9 the 8H has Saturn placed in it

and

> > is

> > > > > > aspected by

> > > > > > > >> Mars, Venus and Rahu.

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> This is what Kalyan Verma has to say "KV:

Malefic

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > 8th

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > >> cause widowhood. This will occur in the Dasa

> > periods

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > Lord

> > > > > > > >> of the Navamsa occupied by the 8th Lord." Your

8L

> > is

> > > > > Saturn,

> > > > > > > >> placed in 8H in D9 in Leo rashi. Lord is Sun.

2nd

> > > > tragedy

> > > > > > > >> occurred in Sun-Ven-Ven dasa. (Please read

> > functional

> > > > > > > >> characteristics of Venus below.)

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> The first case happened in Venus dasa which is a

> > > > functional

> > > > > > > >> malefic (kendradhipati dosha and also 11L) for

> > Cancer

> > > > > Lagna.

> > > > > > It

> > > > > > > >> happens to be the lord of 2nd house from UL and

> > hence

> > > > > maraka

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > >> 1st spouse. AD was that of Mercury which is also

a

> > > > > functional

> > > > > > > >> malefic (dusthana lord and trisadipati- 12L and

> 3L).

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> UL is placed 12th from AL in D1. This actually

> > > indicates

> > > > > > > >> 'rejection of spouse'. I am not sure what would

it

> > > mean

> > > > in

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > >> case. Also this applies to the 1st spouse. 2nd

> from

> > UL

> > > > is

> > > > > > > >> aspected by Sun, Mars, Mercury and Venus. It has

> > rashi

> > > > > > drishti of

> > > > > > > >> Saturn. I am not sure if this would indicate

> > premature

> > > > > death

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > >> the spouse.

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> 2nd spouse/partner is seen from 8th from UL

which

> > > falls

> > > > in

> > > > > > > >> Scorpio. 2nd from that has Moon and Ketu

aspected

> > by

> > > > Rahu.

> > > > > > Lord

> > > > > > > >> of this house Jupiter however is strong and

should

> > > > protect

> > > > > > the UL!

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> In both cases ULL Mars in own house is a

favorable

> > > > factor

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > >> should have given longevity to them! Other

factor

> > is

> > > 7L

> > > > in

> > > > > D1

> > > > > > > >> being in own house. Saturn usually protects the

> > house

> > > > in

> > > > > > which it

> > > > > > > >> is placed especially so in this case because it

is

> > its

> > > > own

> > > > > > house!

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Though 8H affliction of D1 may indicate

widowhood,

> > I

> > > > can

> > > > > see

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > >> positive factors too. I would therefore like to

> > hear

> > > > views

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > >> knowledgeable members . I have attached your

chart

> > in

> > > > JHL

> > > > > > format

> > > > > > > >> for the sake of convenience. I hope the birth

> > details

> > > > are

> > > > > > > >> correct. Just one question please, were both

> > spouses

> > > > > Martian

> > > > > > > >> personalities? I am sure you know that UL would

> > > > indicate a

> > > > > > > >> partner regardless of formal marriage! In other

> > words

> > > > if

> > > > > > there

> > > > > > > >> were other stable relationships (lasting over a

> > year

> > > or

> > > > > so)

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >> working would change.

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Before I close I must mention that 3rd marriage

is

> > > seen

> > > > > from

> > > > > > 9H

> > > > > > > >> which in your case has Jupiter in own house!

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Regards

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Ramesh

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> the_lighted1 [m18deb@a...]

> > > > > > > >> Friday, September 10, 2004 3:49 AM

> > > > > > > >> vedic astrology

> > > > > > > >> [vedic astrology] I have been widowed

> > twice

> > > > and am

> > > > > > > >> wondering if

> > > > > > > >> I will have another chance

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> > Hello respected Guru's and learned students,

> > > > > > > >> > I was wondering if you see from my own chart a

> > > > marriage

> > > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >> future for me. I have been plagued by

unfortunate

> > > > > > circumstance in my

> > > > > > > >> > previous 2 marriages in which I was widowed in

> > both

> > > > > > instances all

> > > > > > > >> > before the age of 30. The first time was in

> April

> > of

> > > > > 1985

> > > > > > and the

> > > > > > > >> > second time was October 1992. I am including

my

> > > chart

> > > > > > details,

> > > > > > > >> > please let me know if you need additional

> > > > information. I

> > > > > am

> > > > > > > >> > currently studying on my own until I feel

> > educated

> > > > > enough

> > > > > > to join

> > > > > > > >> the ranks as an official student. I would like

to

> > see

> > > > what

> > > > > > exactly in

> > > > > > > >> my chart determines this and if this is going to

> > > happen

> > > > > > again or will

> > > > > > > >> I not have another marriage etc.. Thank you for

> > your

> > > > > insight.

> > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > >> > Warm Regards,

> > > > > > > >> > Debbie Munger

> > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > >> > Debbie Munger

> > > > > > > >> > Nov 18, 1963 10:33 PM +08:00 PST

> > > > > > > >> > Sacramento, CA:USA Longitude: 121W30 Latitude:

> > 38N35

> > > > > > > >> > Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:21 Current Period:

MA/RA/RA

> > > > > > > >> >

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> > > > > > > >> > Asc 21:57 Can Aslesha Me

> > > > > > > >> > Sun 02:50 Sco +01:00:34 WK Vishakha Ju

> > > > > > > >> > Moon 05:14 Sag +11:55:04 WK Mula Ke

> > > > > > > >> > Mars 24:33 Sco +00:44:34 ST Jyeshtha Me

> > > > > > > >> > Merc 11:00 Sco +01:32:47 CM Anuradha Sa

> > > > > > > >> > JuptR 16:38 Pis -00:03:18 FM U.Bhadra Sa

> > > > > > > >> > Ven 23:44 Sco +01:14:46 WK Jyeshtha Me

> > > > > > > >> > Sat 23:47 Cap +00:02:51 FM Dhanishtha Ma

> > > > > > > >> > Rahu 18:32 Gem -00:02:11 FM Ardra Ra

> > > > > > > >> > Ketu 18:32 Sag -00:02:11 FM P.Shadya Ve

> > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > >> > True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 315

> > beats

> > > > > > > >> > Day: Monday Sunrise: 6:52 AM

> > > > > > > >> > Tithi: Shukla Tritiya

> > > > > > > >> > Yoga Pt: 11:24 Li Yogi:Ra AviYogi:Ve Dup Yogi:

Ve

> > > > > > > >> > Dagha Rashis: Leo Cap

> > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > >> > Rashi Chart

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> > > > > > > >> > *VE 23:44 * 10 SA 23:47 * 12 JUR16:38*

> > > > > > > >> > *MA 24:33 * * * * *

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> > > > > > > >> > * * KE 18:32 * * * *

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> > > > > > > >> > Navamsha

> > > > > > > >> >

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> > > > > > > >> > *12* * * * *

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> > > > > > > >> > * * MA * * * *

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> > > > > > > >> > *1 * 7 ME *

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> > > > > > > >> > Khavedamsha

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> > > > > > > >> > *SA * 12 AS * 10 SU *

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> > > > > > > >> > *3 MA * 9 ME *

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> > > > > > > >> > * * JUR * * MO * *

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> > > > > > > >> > Ve/Ve 2/18/1968

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> > > > > > > >> > Ve/Mo 6/19/1972

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> > > > > > > >> > Ve/Ra 4/19/1975

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September 20, 2004

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Friends,

Please have a look at the shashtiamsa of the planet to see what kind

of karma the planet is carrying from the past life. That requires

some amount of BT accuracy. So we need to pause....

Hope this helps.

regards

viswanadham

vedic astrology, "Jayashree"

<Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote:

> Mukundji,

>

> I wasn't trying to prove anything. I was rather trying

to "disprove"

> what your statement "tried to prove" w.r.t Rahu's placement in 12th

> house for the entire populace that comes under its umbrella. And I

am

> justified in having proven my salt's worth for whatever this holy

> planet has blessed me with, for being a happy self.

>

> Allowing myself a little liberty(!) so to speak, I guess

> reciting "Manthra-Raja Pada Stothram" should greatly benefit you,

> since Rahu casts 2nd argala (I don't know if this is obstructed or

> unobstructed) being placed in Mars' house and also Mars aspects

your

> Sani. This stothram is considered the "King of all stothrams".

>

> Bye now.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Jayashree

>

> vedic astrology, "monmuk111"

> wrote:

> > Hello Jayashree:

> >

> > I've read the notes you've posted attempting to prove that "Rahu

is

> > 12th" doesn't always cause bondage, sexual immorality and

illegaly

> > obtained wealth.

> >

> > Yes, I agree the the "Rahu in 12th" results are greatly modified

by

> > the placement in a good rashi, i.e. Gemini, Virgo, Taurus and

> Aries.

> > I also agree that the nature of "Rahu in 12th" is somewhat

modified

> > by its placement in a good nakshatra (Jupiter ruled nakshatras).

> >

> > Firstly, "Planet in house" dictum never fails. Secondly "Planet

in

> > Rashi" dictum never fails. These two are enough for a broad-brush

> > prediction. Thereafter, one can apply all the high-level mumbo-

> jumbo

> > WHICH usually fails.

> >

> > The only high-level mumbo-jumbo that I've seen give consistent

> > results is Sanjay Rath's notes about predicting nature of spouse

> and

> > the quaility of marriage based on Upapada Lagna and

planets/rashis

> in

> > 2nd and 12th from Upapada.

> >

> > See, in the case of Paul Macartney, he DID have to go

> > through "bondage" like situation as his wife was frequently

> > hospitalized and he had to care for her. -- See, Rahu in 12th

> dictum

> > didn't fail.

> >

> > Swami Vivekanada's chart confuses me. I know a woman with Rahu in

> > 12th in Scorpio, this woman has the worst character in the world--

> she

> > sells herself, lies, steals, does everthing that the society

frowns

> > upon as long as her actions benefit her--she also has Sun in

> > Mooltrikona in 9th house, but this great placement seems to have

> been

> > compeltely eclipsed by debilitated Rahu in 6th.

> >

> > Now, don't worry about your Rahu too much--it is well-disposited

by

> > the Lagna lord who again is well placed. Well, in your case,

> Jupiter

> > is in a friendly rashi in the throne who becomes a good

protector.

> >

> > I have Saturn in 5th in the enemy Rashi of Pisces and evertime I

go

> > through Saturn Anatara-pratyantara, my life turns upside down--

see,

> > the dictum about bad effects of Shani in 5th doesn't fail here.

> >

> > Mukund

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Jayashree"

> > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote:

> > > Mukundji,

> > >

> > > Consider the chart of Swami Vivekananda. His chart comes with

JHL

> > > 6.0. He has debilitated Rahu in Scorpio in 12th house. His

> Sanyasa

> > > Marga does not need my re-introduction.

> > >

> > > Also, based on the info provided by another member, consider

the

> > > chart of Paul McCartney. His chart has Rahu with Gulika in 12

in

> > Leo.

> > > As I read his life history yesterday, I came to know his wife

> > fought

> > > and eventually was given away to Breast Cancer. This I would

> > > attribute to being indicated by Jup, McCartney's 4/7th lord

> > acquiring

> > > Kendradipathi dosha placed in 10th house and in A7 conjoining

> Sun,

> > > the dispositor of Rahu with Gulika in 12th house. Nevertheless,

> it

> > > goes without further saying that his wife hasn't

> afterall "suffered

> > > hospitalization along with extra-marital affairs along with

> earning

> > > money through unfair means".

> > >

> > > In my own chart : Oct 31 1971, 2:32 PM, Madras, Rahu is co-lord

> of

> > > Aquarius lagna, placed in another of Sani's houses thereby

> strongly

> > > signifying Sanidev, and placed in 6th lord (waxing) Moon's star

> in

> > 2,

> > > having healthy trinal relationship with dispositor and lagnesh

> Sani

> > > where Sani is also placed in a friendly sign in a kendra. Also

to

> > be

> > > noted that Rahu is devoid of any further malefic aspects or

> > > associations such as Gulika or Mandi.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > >

> > > Jayashree

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "Jayashree"

> > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote:

> > > > Mukundji,

> > > >

> > > > I don't agree with you.

> > > >

> > > > It may be a different question whether someone ascends

> > spiritually

> > > > in a birth or not. However, sinful activities such as murder,

> > > > adultery, cruelty to children/animals/others are the

resultant

> > > > of 'poorva paap'. While Rahu will assist in unfolding the

> sinful

> > > > deeds or poorva paap, Rahu is nevertheless 'not' the

indicator

> of

> > > > accumulated sins. Infact, no single planet can be. It should

> > rather

> > > > be indicated by the affliction to certain key-houses.

> > > >

> > > > In the lady's chart, though Mars is well-placed as lord of

> poorva

> > > > punya in Swa-kshetra, the presence of Mercury who is 3rd/12th

> > lord

> > > > and dispositor of Rahu/Gulika/Mandi in the 5th, and the

> > affliction

> > > > to jala-tattwa planet Venus by two fiery planets Mars and

Sun,

> > and

> > > > the affliction to natural lord of intellect Budha by the same

> > fiery

> > > > planets in the house of intellect, along with a Sasa yoga

> caused

> > by

> > > > malefic Saturn on the Kalathra-Bhava show the poorva-paap.

Rahu

> > has

> > > > helped in unfolding this poorva-paap.

> > > >

> > > > Rahu plays a key-role in giving materialistic fruits and

helps

> to

> > > > grow ahamkara/moha and Vanity. Where Rahu is placed in the

> house

> > of

> > > > loss, this causes a deficiency that can manifest as delay in

> > > > fructification of the fruits of one's efforts. This is what a

> > stand-

> > > > alone Rahu is capable of producing and *nothing more*. Where

a

> > > > native's chart has collective good karma, along a different

> view,

> > > > Rahu as in 12th house causing delays and obstacles is

conducive

> > to

> > > > breaking lethargy and tamo-guna to work harder which is good

> for

> > > the

> > > > native in the long-run.

> > > >

> > > > This is my view and I do not differ wee-bit from my earlier

> > stand.

> > > > Though I'm not versed in Jyotish formally, my instincts tell

me

> > > this

> > > > is the right answer.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > >

> > > > Jayashree

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "monmuk111"

> > > <monmuk111>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Hello Jayashree:

> > > > >

> > > > > I remember you have Rahu in 12th and couple of years back

you

> > had

> > > > > told me that your life events/experience doesn't fit the

> dictum

> > > > about

> > > > > Rahu in 12th. You may be an exception; however, in a few

> cases

> > > > I've

> > > > > seen, this dictum doesn't fail.

> > > > >

> > > > > I've seen Rahu in 12th causing bondage of some sort--

> difficult

> > to

> > > > > predict, but could be in form of hospitalization or actual

> > > > > imprisonment or bondage like situation.

> > > > >

> > > > > I've seen Rahu in 12th causing the native to earn a lot of

> > money,

> > > > > usually through illegal or underhanded activities, for

which

> > the

> > > > > native usually gets caught and punished or maligned.

> > > > >

> > > > > I've seen Rahu in 12th causing the person to ignore

societal

> > > norms

> > > > in

> > > > > ones behavior. Sexual excesses and adultry are a form of

> breach

> > > of

> > > > > societal norms.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now, I know you haven't experienced/behaved in any of the

> > above

> > > > > situation with your 12th house Rahu, but in my little

> > experience,

> > > > > I've seen this dictum does come true and that's what I've

> said

> > > > here.

> > > > >

> > > > > What I've said isn't the universal truth. There are

> exceptions

> > > and

> > > > > there are exceptions to the exceptions. What I've noted is

a

> > > > > generality.

> > > > >

> > > > > You're still very young, lot of life is yet to be

> experienced.

> > > > Let's

> > > > > hope it doesn't come true in your case as you're such a

nice

> > > > person.

> > > > >

> > > > > Mukund

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "Jayashree"

> > > > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote:

> > > > > > Mukundji & list,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It may not be the best interest of a Jyotishi to apply

any

> > > > dictum

> > > > > > blindfold. It was during my Rahu's bhukti I found secure

re-

> > > > > > employment and realization of a long-term wish to have a

> > second

> > > > > > child, giving the direction to a seeming disarray of

things

> > for

> > > > a 3

> > > > > > yr period. Only caveat which 'may' fit with your list is

> that

> > I

> > > > > > suffered for a 5 month period with severe shoulder pain

> (Jan -

> >

> > > > > > May '04) that the doctor called as 'Muscular spasm' and I

> was

> > > > > banned

> > > > > > from taking medicines too since I had conceived my child.

> But

> > > > this

> > > > > > miraculously disappeared with no treatment in mid-May, so

> the

> > > > > doctor

> > > > > > reversed the plate as 'no spasm'. This too, I bet, is

more

> of

> > > > > > transit results as Meena Rasi has been in a kind

> of 'Grahana'

> > > > for

> > > > > > sometime now with Rahu in 2nd, Ketu in 8, Jupiter (till

> > > > recently)

> > > > > in

> > > > > > 6, Sani in Ardhashtaka. I *never* faced any other bad-

stuff

> > > > listed

> > > > > > due to 12th house Rahu, but I can say I have a tendency

to

> > > blame

> > > > > > myself for no mistake on my part and feel unnecessarily

> > guilty

> > > > > > sometimes.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jayashree

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, "monmuk111"

> > > > > <monmuk111>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > Hello Debbie:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks for being bold and truthful and sharing the

> > additional

> > > > > > > information, it helps the Jyotish greatly.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now, here is a prediction I had done for you on the

> > Jagannath

> > > > > > board

> > > > > > > when I didn't know ANYTHING about your personal life

and

> I

> > > > just

> > > > > > noted

> > > > > > > that some of the things I had told you were true--here

is

> > an

> > > > > > excerpt

> > > > > > > from my reading:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

___________________

> > > > > > _

> > > > > > > "Hello Deborah:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You've not entered a new dasa, but a new antardasa in

the

> > > maha

> > > > > > (main)

> > > > > > > dasa of Mars.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Your Rahu is placed in the 12th house from Lagna so it

is

> > > > > expected

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > give you problems. Rahu in 12th USUSALLY gives health

> > > problems

> > > > and

> > > > > > > related confinement, litigation and related punishment,

> > sexual

> > > > > > > excesses and related results like unwanted pregnancies,

> > STD,

> > > > etc."

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

___________________

> > > > > > _

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You've told us about your extra-marital affair which I

> had

> > > > > > predicted

> > > > > > > that are the results of 12th house Rahu. You also told

us

> > > > > > > about "unwanted" pregnancies that I had predicted which

> > also

> > > > are

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > result indifference to societal norms, which in turn

are

> a

> > > > result

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > 12th house Rahu.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The saving grace is Rahu's placement in a favorable

rashi

> > in

> > > > > > Gemini.

> > > > > > > Rahu's 12th house placement let you astray and Rahu's

> > > > benefical

> > > > > > > placement in Gemini brough a sense of self-awareness in

> you

> > > > which

> > > > > > > will lead to self-improvement. Had the 12th house Rahu

> > placed

> > > > in

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > rashi bad for Rahu such as Saggitarius or Pices, it

would

> > > have

> > > > > > ruined

> > > > > > > your life.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > See, the old sages knew what they were talking about

when

> > > they

> > > > > > wrote

> > > > > > > up all these dictums.--They do come true.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Well, this gives me a small shot of confidence in my

> > > > predicting

> > > > > > > ability.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now, the issue at hand is for the GURUS to come up with

a

> > > > remedy

> > > > > > > that'll bring some peace in your life. Let's hope some

> > GURUS

> > > > take

> > > > > > up

> > > > > > > the challenge.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mukund

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology, "the_lighted1"

> > > > > > <m18deb@a...>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > Hello,

> > > > > > > > I just wanted to include some relevant information in

> > > regard

> > > > to

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > chart that may be useful. I thought that I posted

> > earlier

> > > > but

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > > guess that I did it wrong because I don't see it. I

> > thank

> > > > > > everyone

> > > > > > > > for their insight and am using it to understand my

> chart

> > > > > > better,

> > > > > > > > Thanks again.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I was married the first time on December 20th, 1981

the

> > > same

> > > > > > year

> > > > > > > > that I graduated from high school and had a son on

June

> > > 8th,

> > > > > > 1982.

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > separated from my husband in May of 1983 and was

having

> > an

> > > > > extra

> > > > > > > > marital affair and my husband whom I had filed for

> > divorce

> > > > from

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > was in a different relationship himself killed

himself

> by

> > > > > > shooting

> > > > > > > > himself in the head with a rifle in the back yard of

> his

> > > > > > mother's

> > > > > > > > home on April 25, 1984

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My second marriage was May 17th, 1989. I had a son

by

> > him

> > > > > prior

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > the marriage on August 30th 1987 and another son

after

> we

> > > > were

> > > > > > > > married on September 6th, 1989. That husband was a

> > severe

> > > > > > > alcoholic

> > > > > > > > who was very abusive and I separated from him less

than

> a

> > > > year

> > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > we were married but never filed for a divorce. The

day

> I

> > > > > kicked

> > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > out was January 20th 1990 and he died of the delirium

> > > > tremens

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > are the DT's caused by withdraw from alcohol on

October

> > 14,

> > > > > > 1992.

> > > > > > > > That was the day before his 34th birthday.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Other things that may be of interest are that my two

> > > > youngest

> > > > > > sons

> > > > > > > > have been raised by my mother and father since July

of

> > > > 1992.

> > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > was voluntarily at first when I was financially not

> able

> > to

> > > > do

> > > > > > so,

> > > > > > > > but as time went by my mother did what she could to

> > prevent

> > > > my

> > > > > > sons

> > > > > > > > from living with me and discouraged them to do so. I

do

> > see

> > > > > them

> > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > of the time but my mother I feel betrayed me in not

> > > > encouraging

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > sons to want to live with me and we have had a very

> > > strained

> > > > > > > > relationship.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > thanks again,

> > > > > > > > Debbie

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology,

Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > <boxdel>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh,

> > > > > > > > > Saturn becomes Shubha being in own house and

attracts

> > > > > > > Kendradhipati

> > > > > > > > > dosha, thus giving some bad results related to

one's

> > > Lagna

> > > > if

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > 7th.

> > > > > > > > > Being 8th Lord in 7th he is also capable of harming

> the

> > > > > > > indications

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > 7th house. These two are separate issues and need

to

> be

> > > > > viewed

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > such.

> > > > > > > > > I would say the problems in marriage could arise

out

> > of

> > > > > > either

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > being able to communicate with spouse or due to a

> > > somewhat

> > > > > > > negative

> > > > > > > > view

> > > > > > > > > of looking at things and suspicious nature.

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Ramesh Gangaramani wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your comments and for pointing out

> that

> > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > 8L

> > > > > > > > > > too. I want to understand the earlier comment of

> > yours.

> > > > > Does

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > imply

> > > > > > > > > > that Saturn in this case will not be shubha

though

> > > > placed

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > own

> > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > or because it is placed in own house? Will the

> dictum

> > > > > > > of 'Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > protects the house in which it is placed' get

> diluted

> > > > > > because

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > own house?

> > > > > > > > > > Kind regards

> > > > > > > > > > Ramesh

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ** Chandrashekhar [boxdel]

> > > > > > > > > > *Sent:* Sunday, September 12, 2004 12:30 AM

> > > > > > > > > > *To:* Ramesh Gangaramani

> > > > > > > > > > *Cc:* vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > > *Subject:* Re: [vedic astrology] I have been

> > > widowed

> > > > > > twice

> > > > > > > > and am

> > > > > > > > > > wondering if I will have another chance

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Debbie/Ramesh,

> > > > > > > > > > I would think Debbie might marry again around

> > April

> > > > > 2005

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > marriage is likely to be more fortunate. The

> > person

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > mature in age than Debbie, is what I think.

> > > > > > > > > > By the way Ramesh, Malefic owning a Kendra is

> > > Shubha

> > > > if

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > occupying that Kendra, Saturn is in Kendra

in

> > own

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > 8th lord too.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Ramesh Gangaramani wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> Satyam Bruyat Priyam Buryat

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> Debbie,

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> I am sorry to hear about the tragedies in

your

> > > > life. I

> > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > >> initiating a discussion based on my initial

> > > > > > observations.

> > > > > > > > > >> In case of females 8H signifies magalaya =

> > marital

> > > > > bond,

> > > > > > > > > >> subhagya, vaidhavya = widowhood. In D1, 8H

is

> > > > aspected

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > >> and Rahu. In D9 the 8H has Saturn placed in

it

> > and

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > aspected by

> > > > > > > > > >> Mars, Venus and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> This is what Kalyan Verma has to say "KV:

> > Malefic

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > >> cause widowhood. This will occur in the Dasa

> > > > periods

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > Lord

> > > > > > > > > >> of the Navamsa occupied by the 8th Lord."

Your

> > 8L

> > > > is

> > > > > > > Saturn,

> > > > > > > > > >> placed in 8H in D9 in Leo rashi. Lord is

Sun.

> > 2nd

> > > > > > tragedy

> > > > > > > > > >> occurred in Sun-Ven-Ven dasa. (Please read

> > > > functional

> > > > > > > > > >> characteristics of Venus below.)

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> The first case happened in Venus dasa which

is

> a

> > > > > > functional

> > > > > > > > > >> malefic (kendradhipati dosha and also 11L)

for

> > > > Cancer

> > > > > > > Lagna.

> > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > >> happens to be the lord of 2nd house from UL

> and

> > > > hence

> > > > > > > maraka

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > >> 1st spouse. AD was that of Mercury which is

> also

> > a

> > > > > > > functional

> > > > > > > > > >> malefic (dusthana lord and trisadipati- 12L

> and

> > > 3L).

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> UL is placed 12th from AL in D1. This

actually

> > > > > indicates

> > > > > > > > > >> 'rejection of spouse'. I am not sure what

> would

> > it

> > > > > mean

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > >> case. Also this applies to the 1st spouse.

2nd

> > > from

> > > > UL

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > >> aspected by Sun, Mars, Mercury and Venus. It

> has

> > > > rashi

> > > > > > > > drishti of

> > > > > > > > > >> Saturn. I am not sure if this would indicate

> > > > premature

> > > > > > > death

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > >> the spouse.

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> 2nd spouse/partner is seen from 8th from UL

> > which

> > > > > falls

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > >> Scorpio. 2nd from that has Moon and Ketu

> > aspected

> > > > by

> > > > > > Rahu.

> > > > > > > > Lord

> > > > > > > > > >> of this house Jupiter however is strong and

> > should

> > > > > > protect

> > > > > > > > the UL!

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> In both cases ULL Mars in own house is a

> > favorable

> > > > > > factor

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > >> should have given longevity to them! Other

> > factor

> > > > is

> > > > > 7L

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > D1

> > > > > > > > > >> being in own house. Saturn usually protects

> the

> > > > house

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > which it

> > > > > > > > > >> is placed especially so in this case because

> it

> > is

> > > > its

> > > > > > own

> > > > > > > > house!

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> Though 8H affliction of D1 may indicate

> > widowhood,

> > > > I

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > >> positive factors too. I would therefore like

> to

> > > > hear

> > > > > > views

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > >> knowledgeable members . I have attached your

> > chart

> > > > in

> > > > > > JHL

> > > > > > > > format

> > > > > > > > > >> for the sake of convenience. I hope the

birth

> > > > details

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > >> correct. Just one question please, were both

> > > > spouses

> > > > > > > Martian

> > > > > > > > > >> personalities? I am sure you know that UL

> would

> > > > > > indicate a

> > > > > > > > > >> partner regardless of formal marriage! In

> other

> > > > words

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > >> were other stable relationships (lasting

over

> a

> > > > year

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > so)

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >> working would change.

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> Before I close I must mention that 3rd

> marriage

> > is

> > > > > seen

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > 9H

> > > > > > > > > >> which in your case has Jupiter in own house!

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> Regards

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> Ramesh

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> the_lighted1 [m18deb@a...]

> > > > > > > > > >> Friday, September 10, 2004 3:49 AM

> > > > > > > > > >> vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > >> [vedic astrology] I have been

widowed

> > > > twice

> > > > > > and am

> > > > > > > > > >> wondering if

> > > > > > > > > >> I will have another chance

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> > Hello respected Guru's and learned

students,

> > > > > > > > > >> > I was wondering if you see from my own

chart

> a

> > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >> future for me. I have been plagued by

> > unfortunate

> > > > > > > > circumstance in my

> > > > > > > > > >> > previous 2 marriages in which I was

widowed

> in

> > > > both

> > > > > > > > instances all

> > > > > > > > > >> > before the age of 30. The first time was

in

> > > April

> > > > of

> > > > > > > 1985

> > > > > > > > and the

> > > > > > > > > >> > second time was October 1992. I am

including

> > my

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > details,

> > > > > > > > > >> > please let me know if you need additional

> > > > > > information. I

> > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > >> > currently studying on my own until I feel

> > > > educated

> > > > > > > enough

> > > > > > > > to join

> > > > > > > > > >> the ranks as an official student. I would

like

> > to

> > > > see

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > exactly in

> > > > > > > > > >> my chart determines this and if this is

going

> to

> > > > > happen

> > > > > > > > again or will

> > > > > > > > > >> I not have another marriage etc.. Thank you

> for

> > > > your

> > > > > > > insight.

> > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > > >> > Warm Regards,

> > > > > > > > > >> > Debbie Munger

> > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > > >> > Debbie Munger

> > > > > > > > > >> > Nov 18, 1963 10:33 PM +08:00 PST

> > > > > > > > > >> > Sacramento, CA:USA Longitude: 121W30

> Latitude:

> > > > 38N35

> > > > > > > > > >> > Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:21 Current Period:

> > MA/RA/RA

> > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > > >> > Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord

> > > > > > > > > >> >

> > ================================================

> > > > > > > > > >> > Asc 21:57 Can Aslesha Me

> > > > > > > > > >> > Sun 02:50 Sco +01:00:34 WK Vishakha Ju

> > > > > > > > > >> > Moon 05:14 Sag +11:55:04 WK Mula Ke

> > > > > > > > > >> > Mars 24:33 Sco +00:44:34 ST Jyeshtha Me

> > > > > > > > > >> > Merc 11:00 Sco +01:32:47 CM Anuradha Sa

> > > > > > > > > >> > JuptR 16:38 Pis -00:03:18 FM U.Bhadra Sa

> > > > > > > > > >> > Ven 23:44 Sco +01:14:46 WK Jyeshtha Me

> > > > > > > > > >> > Sat 23:47 Cap +00:02:51 FM Dhanishtha Ma

> > > > > > > > > >> > Rahu 18:32 Gem -00:02:11 FM Ardra Ra

> > > > > > > > > >> > Ketu 18:32 Sag -00:02:11 FM P.Shadya Ve

> > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > > >> > True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time:

> 315

> > > > beats

> > > > > > > > > >> > Day: Monday Sunrise: 6:52 AM

> > > > > > > > > >> > Tithi: Shukla Tritiya

> > > > > > > > > >> > Yoga Pt: 11:24 Li Yogi:Ra AviYogi:Ve Dup

> Yogi:

> > Ve

> > > > > > > > > >> > Dagha Rashis: Leo Cap

> > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > > >> > Rashi Chart

> > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > *******************************************************

> > > > > > > > > >> > ** 5 * * 3 **

> > > > > > > > > >> > *6 * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > >> > * * * RA 18:32* *

> > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > >> > * * 4 AS 21:57 * 2 *

> > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > >> > ** * * **

> > > > > > > > > >> > *7 * 1 *

> > > > > > > > > >> > ** * * **

> > > > > > > > > >> > *8 * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > >> > *SU 02:50* * * * *

> > > > > > > > > >> > *ME 11:00 * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > >> > *VE 23:44 * 10 SA 23:47 * 12 JUR16:38*

> > > > > > > > > >> > *MA 24:33 * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > >> > * MO 05:14* * * *

> > > > > > > > > >> > * * KE 18:32 * * * *

> > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > >> > ** 9 * * 11 **

> > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > *******************************************************

> > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > > >> > Navamsha

> > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > *******************************************************

> > > > > > > > > >> > ** 11 * * 9 **

> > > > > > > > > >> > *12* * * * *

> > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > >> > * * MA * * * *

> > > > > > > > > >> > * VE * * * *

> > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > >> > *RA * 10 AS * 8 JUR *

> > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > >> > ** * * **

> > > > > > > > > >> > *1 * 7 ME *

> > > > > > > > > >> > ** * * **

> > > > > > > > > >> > *2 * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > >> > *MO * 4 SU * 6 KE *

> > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * SA * *

> > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > >> > ** 3 * * 5 **

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