Guest guest Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 I am seeing some of the charts the finer divisions D6/7/8/9/10. And i noticed something very peculiar 1) Can Rahu/Ketu be in same rashi in these charts? I heard that they have to be in Diagonally opposite houses(7 Houses Apart). And What does this signify. rgds jai Supriti Majumdar <supriti15 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Learned Members,I am a student of astrology.I am trying to analyze my dasamsa. Please help me.I am including my chart below.My dasamsa Lagna is Jupiter. In Dasamsa, both my A10 and 10th lord is Mercury. It is debilitated and is with an exalted Ve. Does this give Neechbhanga in terms of career. If so, when? Also, I have exalted Ma, (Sa), A6, A4 in the 2nd house. WHat does this signify.Thank you.Supriti__________________Date: September 18, 1970Time: 17:46:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 88 E 22' 00", 22 N 34' 00" Kolkata, India Rasi +--------------+| \ SaR / \ / || \ Mo / \ Ra / || \ / \ / || \ / GL \ / || \ / \ / ||AL x As x || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / Gk \ 12 / \ || / \ / \ || Md x || \ / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / HL \ / || \ / \ / || x Su x || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / Ma \ / Ju \ || / MeR Ke \ / Ve \ |+--------------+Dasamsa D-10+--------------+| \ SaR Md / \ / || \ Ma / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / \ / ||Ju x As x Gk Ke || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / Ve \ 9 / \ || / \ / \ || MeR x || \ / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / \ / ||Ra AL x x HL Mo || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / Su \ / GL \ || / \ / \ |+--------------+Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Jai Ph: (65)92792225 Gmail emailjai New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2004 Report Share Posted September 17, 2004 Dear Shri Jai You are looking in the right direction.This is yet another proof that Divisions should not be drawn as a chart.There is only one chart,the natal jataka,rest are all just divisions or vargas of planets and Lagna.Rahu and Ketu being axis nodes, should be diagonally opposite,when drawn zodiacally.But if we are considering only amshas,they can be together.Sages have never advised us to draw a Varga chakra.They have only advised us to analyse various Vargamshas for respective purposes.From my limited knowledge,Vargas should be understood as follows:-D-1,D-2,D-3 etc of lagna,D-1,D-2,D- 3 etc of Sun,D-1,D-2,D-3 etc of Moon and so on.Giving due respect to all Gurujis, I have been trying to make this point for a very long time,but in vain.Hope the divine will make us understand the truth one day,until then let us seek/search for truth with open minds. I can guess only one misunderstood reason behind construction of Vargas as full charts.Consider the following shloka from Shri Kalyan Varma's Saravali. Moon in the navamsha of Mars aspected by Mars himself.This actually means, when we divide the sign in which moon is placed into nine,Moon should fall either in scorpio or aries amshas and also Mars is placed either 4,7 or 8 houses prior to the Moon sign (So that Mars can aspect Moon).But instead navamsha positions of all planets /Lagna were grouped together and considerd as a full chart and then an aspect of mars was considered from that 'extrapolated' and 'Imaginary' chart.Misunderstanding of simlar shlokas led to a major deviation from the original principles.I request Gurujis to forgive me for expressing my understanding.I cannot see anyother logic behind this. If you approach a chart with fresh/open mind and try to understand what is a varga and how divisions are constructed, all your doubts will be cleared. Best regds Pradeep vedic astrology, "Jai :\)" <virtual2real> wrote: > Hi > > I am seeing some of the charts the finer divisions D6/7/8/9/10. > > And i noticed something very peculiar > > 1) Can Rahu/Ketu be in same rashi in these charts? > > I heard that they have to be in Diagonally opposite houses(7 Houses Apart). > > And What does this signify. > > rgds > jai > > > Supriti Majumdar <supriti15@h...> wrote: > Dear Learned Members, > > I am a student of astrology. > I am trying to analyze my dasamsa. Please help me. > I am including my chart below. > > My dasamsa Lagna is Jupiter. In Dasamsa, both my A10 and 10th lord > is Mercury. It is debilitated and is with an exalted Ve. Does this > give Neechbhanga in terms of career. If so, when? > > Also, I have exalted Ma, (Sa), A6, A4 in the 2nd house. WHat does > this signify. > > Thank you. > Supriti > > __________________ > September 18, 1970 > Time: 17:46:00 > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > Place: 88 E 22' 00", 22 N 34' 00" > Kolkata, India > > Rasi > +--------------+ > | \ SaR / \ / | > | \ Mo / \ Ra / | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / GL \ / | > | \ / \ / | > |AL x As x | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / Gk \ 12 / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | Md x | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / HL \ / | > | \ / \ / | > | x Su x | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / Ma \ / Ju \ | > | / MeR Ke \ / Ve \ | > +--------------+ > > > Dasamsa D-10 > +--------------+ > | \ SaR Md / \ / | > | \ Ma / \ / | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / \ / | > |Ju x As x Gk Ke | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / Ve \ 9 / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | MeR x | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / \ / | > |Ra AL x x HL Mo | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / Su \ / GL \ | > | / \ / \ | > +--------------+ > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > Sponsor > > > > Links > > > vedic astrology/ > > > vedic astrology > > Terms of Service. > > > > > Jai > > Ph: (65)92792225 > > Gmail > > emailjai@g... > > > > > > > > New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2004 Report Share Posted September 18, 2004 Dear Paradeep Thanks for reply. And thanks for some insight into this matter. All the Varga Chakra must be there for some insight into some particular areas. Did you come across some material written/online which gives more insight into these. I am sure when you are analyzing/drawing some of the varga chakra you must have noticed this particular thing. Most of the online sites/softwares produces this output but not much interpertations. Regards Jai vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > Dear Shri Jai > > You are looking in the right direction.This is yet another proof > that Divisions should not be drawn as a chart.There is only one > chart,the natal jataka,rest are all just divisions or vargas of > planets and Lagna.Rahu and Ketu being axis nodes, should be > diagonally opposite,when drawn zodiacally.But if we are considering > only amshas,they can be together.Sages have never advised us to draw > a Varga chakra.They have only advised us to analyse various > Vargamshas for respective purposes.From my limited knowledge,Vargas > should be understood as follows:-D-1,D-2,D-3 etc of lagna,D-1,D-2,D- > 3 etc of Sun,D-1,D-2,D-3 etc of Moon and so on.Giving due respect to > all Gurujis, I have been trying to make this point for a very long > time,but in vain.Hope the divine will make us understand the truth > one day,until then let us seek/search for truth with open minds. > I can guess only one misunderstood reason behind construction of > Vargas as full charts.Consider the following shloka from Shri Kalyan > Varma's Saravali. > Moon in the navamsha of Mars aspected by Mars himself.This actually > means, when we divide the sign in which moon is placed into > nine,Moon should fall either in scorpio or aries amshas and also > Mars is placed either 4,7 or 8 houses prior to the Moon sign (So > that Mars can aspect Moon).But instead navamsha positions of all > planets /Lagna were grouped together and considerd as a full chart > and then an aspect of mars was considered from that 'extrapolated' > and 'Imaginary' chart.Misunderstanding of simlar shlokas led to a > major deviation from the original principles.I request Gurujis to > forgive me for expressing my understanding.I cannot see anyother > logic behind this. > > If you approach a chart with fresh/open mind and try to understand > what is a varga and how divisions are constructed, all your doubts > will be cleared. > > > Best regds > Pradeep > > vedic astrology, "Jai :\)" > <virtual2real> wrote: > > Hi > > > > I am seeing some of the charts the finer divisions D6/7/8/9/10. > > > > And i noticed something very peculiar > > > > 1) Can Rahu/Ketu be in same rashi in these charts? > > > > I heard that they have to be in Diagonally opposite houses(7 > Houses Apart). > > > > And What does this signify. > > > > rgds > > jai > > > > > > Supriti Majumdar <supriti15@h...> wrote: > > Dear Learned Members, > > > > I am a student of astrology. > > I am trying to analyze my dasamsa. Please help me. > > I am including my chart below. > > > > My dasamsa Lagna is Jupiter. In Dasamsa, both my A10 and 10th > lord > > is Mercury. It is debilitated and is with an exalted Ve. Does > this > > give Neechbhanga in terms of career. If so, when? > > > > Also, I have exalted Ma, (Sa), A6, A4 in the 2nd house. WHat does > > this signify. > > > > Thank you. > > Supriti > > > > > __________________ > > September 18, 1970 > > Time: 17:46:00 > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 88 E 22' 00", 22 N 34' 00" > > Kolkata, India > > > > Rasi > > +--------------+ > > | \ SaR / \ / | > > | \ Mo / \ Ra / | > > | \ / \ / | > > | \ / GL \ / | > > | \ / \ / | > > |AL x As x | > > | / \ / \ | > > | / \ / \ | > > | / \ / \ | > > | / Gk \ 12 / \ | > > | / \ / \ | > > | Md x | > > | \ / \ / | > > | \ / \ / | > > | \ / \ / | > > | \ / HL \ / | > > | \ / \ / | > > | x Su x | > > | / \ / \ | > > | / \ / \ | > > | / \ / \ | > > | / Ma \ / Ju \ | > > | / MeR Ke \ / Ve \ | > > +--------------+ > > > > > > Dasamsa D-10 > > +--------------+ > > | \ SaR Md / \ / | > > | \ Ma / \ / | > > | \ / \ / | > > | \ / \ / | > > | \ / \ / | > > |Ju x As x Gk Ke | > > | / \ / \ | > > | / \ / \ | > > | / \ / \ | > > | / Ve \ 9 / \ | > > | / \ / \ | > > | MeR x | > > | \ / \ / | > > | \ / \ / | > > | \ / \ / | > > | \ / \ / | > > | \ / \ / | > > |Ra AL x x HL Mo | > > | / \ / \ | > > | / \ / \ | > > | / \ / \ | > > | / Su \ / GL \ | > > | / \ / \ | > > +--------------+ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted September 18, 2004 Report Share Posted September 18, 2004 Dear Sri Pradeep and Jai, Those are not without strong mathematical foundations. Let me explain. Take my Rahu = 276.08405329701 and Ketu = 96.08405329700997. How would you figure out their postions in say d-6,d-8,d-9 and so on? I am sure many of the books will suggest gigantic logic and procedures, like, if in even sign do this else do that and so on. However there is a simple way out too, for D-9 just multiply with 9 and expunge all multiples of 360. (planet degree * 9) mod 360! Let me know what is the difference between this approach and all the voluminous logic every book suggests! I have found this operating very good in d-6,d-8,d-9,d-16 and d-20. I haven't had a chance to work on other divisional charts. This probably is one of the reasons why there is stress on Ganitha in Astrology. Now tell me, does this amaze you when people draw divisional charts just by looking at the Rasi chart? Behind most complex mathematics lies simple logic unfortunately, we are shown the scary part, not the simple. Now coming to your point that Rahu and Ketu should not co-exist. Well, I have a different take on it. Lets say you can percieve at 9 different objects from a distance, as you are moving closer and closer your ability to percieve other objects diminishes. That, probably awakens a perception of "all-in-one,one-in-all". I would like to think that in some divisional chart all 9 planets reside in one sign, which one? I don't know. warm regards, Vishnu --- Jai <virtual2real wrote: > Dear Paradeep > > Thanks for reply. And thanks for some insight into this matter. > All the Varga Chakra must be there for some insight into > some particular areas. > > Did you come across some material written/online which gives more > insight into these. > > I am sure when you are analyzing/drawing some of the varga chakra > you must have noticed this particular thing. > > Most of the online sites/softwares produces this output > but not much interpertations. > > Regards > > Jai > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > Dear Shri Jai > > > > You are looking in the right direction.This is yet another proof > > that Divisions should not be drawn as a chart.There is only one > > chart,the natal jataka,rest are all just divisions or vargas of > > planets and Lagna.Rahu and Ketu being axis nodes, should be > > diagonally opposite,when drawn zodiacally.But if we are considering > > only amshas,they can be together.Sages have never advised us to > draw > > a Varga chakra.They have only advised us to analyse various > > Vargamshas for respective purposes.From my limited knowledge,Vargas > > should be understood as follows:-D-1,D-2,D-3 etc of lagna,D-1,D-2,D- > > 3 etc of Sun,D-1,D-2,D-3 etc of Moon and so on.Giving due respect > to > > all Gurujis, I have been trying to make this point for a very long > > time,but in vain.Hope the divine will make us understand the truth > > one day,until then let us seek/search for truth with open minds. > > I can guess only one misunderstood reason behind construction of > > Vargas as full charts.Consider the following shloka from Shri > Kalyan > > Varma's Saravali. > > Moon in the navamsha of Mars aspected by Mars himself.This actually > > means, when we divide the sign in which moon is placed into > > nine,Moon should fall either in scorpio or aries amshas and also > > Mars is placed either 4,7 or 8 houses prior to the Moon sign (So > > that Mars can aspect Moon).But instead navamsha positions of all > > planets /Lagna were grouped together and considerd as a full chart > > and then an aspect of mars was considered from that 'extrapolated' > > and 'Imaginary' chart.Misunderstanding of simlar shlokas led to a > > major deviation from the original principles.I request Gurujis to > > forgive me for expressing my understanding.I cannot see anyother > > logic behind this. > > > > If you approach a chart with fresh/open mind and try to understand > > what is a varga and how divisions are constructed, all your doubts > > will be cleared. > > > > > > Best regds > > Pradeep > > > > vedic astrology, "Jai :\)" > > <virtual2real> wrote: > > > Hi > > > > > > I am seeing some of the charts the finer divisions D6/7/8/9/10. > > > > > > And i noticed something very peculiar > > > > > > 1) Can Rahu/Ketu be in same rashi in these charts? > > > > > > I heard that they have to be in Diagonally opposite houses(7 > > Houses Apart). > > > > > > And What does this signify. > > > > > > rgds > > > jai > > > > > > > > > Supriti Majumdar <supriti15@h...> wrote: > > > Dear Learned Members, > > > > > > I am a student of astrology. > > > I am trying to analyze my dasamsa. Please help me. > > > I am including my chart below. > > > > > > My dasamsa Lagna is Jupiter. In Dasamsa, both my A10 and 10th > > lord > > > is Mercury. It is debilitated and is with an exalted Ve. Does > > this > > > give Neechbhanga in terms of career. If so, when? > > > > > > Also, I have exalted Ma, (Sa), A6, A4 in the 2nd house. WHat > does > > > this signify. > > > > > > Thank you. > > > Supriti > > > > > > > > __________________ > > > September 18, 1970 > > > Time: 17:46:00 > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > Place: 88 E 22' 00", 22 N 34' 00" > > > Kolkata, India > > > > > > Rasi > > > +--------------+ > > > | \ SaR / \ / | > > > | \ Mo / \ Ra / | > > > | \ / \ / | > > > | \ / GL \ / | > > > | \ / \ / | > > > |AL x As x | > > > | / \ / \ | > > > | / \ / \ | > > > | / \ / \ | > > > | / Gk \ 12 / \ | > > > | / \ / \ | > > > | Md x | > > > | \ / \ / | > > > | \ / \ / | > > > | \ / \ / | > > > | \ / HL \ / | > > > | \ / \ / | > > > | x Su x | > > > | / \ / \ | > > > | / \ / \ | > > > | / \ / \ | > > > | / Ma \ / Ju \ | > > > | / MeR Ke \ / Ve \ | > > > +--------------+ > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa D-10 > > > +--------------+ > > > | \ SaR Md / \ / | > > > | \ Ma / \ / | > > > | \ / \ / | > > > | \ / \ / | > > > | \ / \ / | > > > |Ju x As x Gk Ke | > > > | / \ / \ | > > > | / \ / \ | > > > | / \ / \ | > > > | / Ve \ 9 / \ | > > > | / \ / \ | > > > | MeR x | > > > | \ / \ / | > > > | \ / \ / | > > > | \ / \ / | > > > | \ / \ / | > > > | \ / \ / | > > > |Ra AL x x HL Mo | > > > | / \ / \ | > > > | / \ / \ | > > > | / \ / \ | > > > | / Su \ / GL \ | > > > | / \ / \ | > > > +--------------+ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted September 18, 2004 Report Share Posted September 18, 2004 Dear Sri Jai Actually drawing vargas as chakras is something which just came all of a sudden.I dont know when.These could be very well written on a piece of paper.Drawing as chakras are convenient as long as we dont consider house ownerships and aspects. Now analysing varga positions for specific matters needs more thought as these are not clear.I believe strength of various planets in drekkana for example will show siblings related matters.Now which all planets are important is a question.Here i beleive the sage has advised us to see 4th from 9th to see fathers mother,10th from 9th to see fathers profession etc.After finding these planets strength in rashi one has to see the corresponding vargamsha to confirm the strength. I hope these matters will come up from somewhere oneday. Regds Pradeep vedic astrology, "Jai" <virtual2real> wrote: > Dear Paradeep > > Thanks for reply. And thanks for some insight into this matter. > All the Varga Chakra must be there for some insight into > some particular areas. > > Did you come across some material written/online which gives more > insight into these. > > I am sure when you are analyzing/drawing some of the varga chakra > you must have noticed this particular thing. > > Most of the online sites/softwares produces this output > but not much interpertations. > > Regards > > Jai > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > Dear Shri Jai > > > > You are looking in the right direction.This is yet another proof > > that Divisions should not be drawn as a chart.There is only one > > chart,the natal jataka,rest are all just divisions or vargas of > > planets and Lagna.Rahu and Ketu being axis nodes, should be > > diagonally opposite,when drawn zodiacally.But if we are considering > > only amshas,they can be together.Sages have never advised us to > draw > > a Varga chakra.They have only advised us to analyse various > > Vargamshas for respective purposes.From my limited knowledge,Vargas > > should be understood as follows:-D-1,D-2,D-3 etc of lagna,D-1,D- 2,D- > > 3 etc of Sun,D-1,D-2,D-3 etc of Moon and so on.Giving due respect > to > > all Gurujis, I have been trying to make this point for a very long > > time,but in vain.Hope the divine will make us understand the truth > > one day,until then let us seek/search for truth with open minds. > > I can guess only one misunderstood reason behind construction of > > Vargas as full charts.Consider the following shloka from Shri > Kalyan > > Varma's Saravali. > > Moon in the navamsha of Mars aspected by Mars himself.This actually > > means, when we divide the sign in which moon is placed into > > nine,Moon should fall either in scorpio or aries amshas and also > > Mars is placed either 4,7 or 8 houses prior to the Moon sign (So > > that Mars can aspect Moon).But instead navamsha positions of all > > planets /Lagna were grouped together and considerd as a full chart > > and then an aspect of mars was considered from that 'extrapolated' > > and 'Imaginary' chart.Misunderstanding of simlar shlokas led to a > > major deviation from the original principles.I request Gurujis to > > forgive me for expressing my understanding.I cannot see anyother > > logic behind this. > > > > If you approach a chart with fresh/open mind and try to understand > > what is a varga and how divisions are constructed, all your doubts > > will be cleared. > > > > > > Best regds > > Pradeep > > > > vedic astrology, "Jai :\)" > > <virtual2real> wrote: > > > Hi > > > > > > I am seeing some of the charts the finer divisions D6/7/8/9/10. > > > > > > And i noticed something very peculiar > > > > > > 1) Can Rahu/Ketu be in same rashi in these charts? > > > > > > I heard that they have to be in Diagonally opposite houses(7 > > Houses Apart). > > > > > > And What does this signify. > > > > > > rgds > > > jai > > > > > > > > > Supriti Majumdar <supriti15@h...> wrote: > > > Dear Learned Members, > > > > > > I am a student of astrology. > > > I am trying to analyze my dasamsa. Please help me. > > > I am including my chart below. > > > > > > My dasamsa Lagna is Jupiter. In Dasamsa, both my A10 and 10th > > lord > > > is Mercury. It is debilitated and is with an exalted Ve. Does > > this > > > give Neechbhanga in terms of career. If so, when? > > > > > > Also, I have exalted Ma, (Sa), A6, A4 in the 2nd house. WHat > does > > > this signify. > > > > > > Thank you. > > > Supriti > > > > > > > > __________________ > > > September 18, 1970 > > > Time: 17:46:00 > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > Place: 88 E 22' 00", 22 N 34' 00" > > > Kolkata, India > > > > > > Rasi > > > +--------------+ > > > | \ SaR / \ / | > > > | \ Mo / \ Ra / | > > > | \ / \ / | > > > | \ / GL \ / | > > > | \ / \ / | > > > |AL x As x | > > > | / \ / \ | > > > | / \ / \ | > > > | / \ / \ | > > > | / Gk \ 12 / \ | > > > | / \ / \ | > > > | Md x | > > > | \ / \ / | > > > | \ / \ / | > > > | \ / \ / | > > > | \ / HL \ / | > > > | \ / \ / | > > > | x Su x | > > > | / \ / \ | > > > | / \ / \ | > > > | / \ / \ | > > > | / Ma \ / Ju \ | > > > | / MeR Ke \ / Ve \ | > > > +--------------+ > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa D-10 > > > +--------------+ > > > | \ SaR Md / \ / | > > > | \ Ma / \ / | > > > | \ / \ / | > > > | \ / \ / | > > > | \ / \ / | > > > |Ju x As x Gk Ke | > > > | / \ / \ | > > > | / \ / \ | > > > | / \ / \ | > > > | / Ve \ 9 / \ | > > > | / \ / \ | > > > | MeR x | > > > | \ / \ / | > > > | \ / \ / | > > > | \ / \ / | > > > | \ / \ / | > > > | \ / \ / | > > > |Ra AL x x HL Mo | > > > | / \ / \ | > > > | / \ / \ | > > > | / \ / \ | > > > | / Su \ / GL \ | > > > | / \ / \ | > > > +--------------+ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted September 18, 2004 Report Share Posted September 18, 2004 Dear Shri Vishnu Thanks for the reply. Your expunge logic is correct in arriving at amsha positions. But we have to remember that mathematical formulas are only methods of arriving and not the REASON. The reason is different.For example sages have explained why the first drekkana in Aries is always Aries.This is not because of mathematics,but the first drekkana in a fiery sign will start from itself and the second drekkana,fifth from itself and third drekkana,9th from itself.These are based on the lordship order in various rashis w.r to its tattwa(Fire in this case).Mathematical formulas are framed afterwards for convenience and framing of the same is possible due to certain symmetries and progressive properties.Similarly there is a reason for each varga. Easiest example is Hora.In odd rashis first half is lorded by sun while second half by moon.Reverse is the case for even rashis. So if a planet ,say Jupiter is within first 2 degrees of aries -then you can blindly say this Jupiter is in the kshethra of Mars,hora of sun,drekkana of Mars(aries) and navamsha of aries. If you see the hora of your chart,you will see some planets are placed just in cancer while some are in leo.Now as per your logic of seeing from a close distance,how will you explain the grouping of planets in hora?If your logic is true some planets placed in adjacent signs should fall into moons hora and the remaining planets (again in adjacent signs) should fall into suns hora.But that is not the case,planets could be mixed up, say one in 3rd house next in 7th and next in 10th may be grouped in moon while rest is in suns.Thus it is not viewing from a close distance.It is based on solid reasons.And the rules are very clear in BPHS. Understand that Kshethra ,full 30 degree sign is the first varga(D- 1).To find next varga of a planet or lagna divide the sign into 2,if it is within first 15 degrees and the rashi is odd -its d-2 is Leo.Based on planets/lagna's position in first, middle or last 1/3 divisions of a kshethra,arrive at the drekkana.Smilarly divide into nine ,12 etc for finding various amshas.This division logic is not my creation or assumption,rather the advise of sage Parashara in BPHS. If you take BPHS in hand and find all the vargas with reason,you will find that vargas are not full chakras rather various degree positions of a planet/lagna. Software has been the greatest boon for us.But it should not stop our brains from thinking.Technology is just a tool and not a substitute for wisdom. Hope these discussions will guide us towards true knowledge. vedic astrology, Vishnu Jandhyala <jvk1305> wrote: > Dear Sri Pradeep and Jai, > > Those are not without strong mathematical foundations. Let me explain. > > Take my Rahu = 276.08405329701 and Ketu = 96.08405329700997. > > How would you figure out their postions in say d-6,d-8,d-9 and so on? I am sure many > of the books will suggest gigantic logic and procedures, like, if in even sign do > this else do that and so on. However there is a simple way out too, for D-9 just > multiply with 9 and expunge all multiples of 360. > > (planet degree * 9) mod 360! > > Let me know what is the difference between this approach and all the voluminous > logic every book suggests! I have found this operating very good in d-6,d-8,d-9,d-16 > and d-20. I haven't had a chance to work on other divisional charts. This probably > is one of the reasons why there is stress on Ganitha in Astrology. Now tell me, does > this amaze you when people draw divisional charts just by looking at the Rasi chart? > Behind most complex mathematics lies simple logic unfortunately, we are shown the > scary part, not the simple. > > > Now coming to your point that Rahu and Ketu should not co-exist. Well, I have a > different take on it. Lets say you can percieve at 9 different objects from a > distance, as you are moving closer and closer your ability to percieve other objects > diminishes. That, probably awakens a perception of "all-in-one,one- in-all". I would > like to think that in some divisional chart all 9 planets reside in one sign, which > one? I don't know. > > warm regards, > Vishnu > > --- Jai <virtual2real> wrote: > > > Dear Paradeep > > > > Thanks for reply. And thanks for some insight into this matter. > > All the Varga Chakra must be there for some insight into > > some particular areas. > > > > Did you come across some material written/online which gives more > > insight into these. > > > > I am sure when you are analyzing/drawing some of the varga chakra > > you must have noticed this particular thing. > > > > Most of the online sites/softwares produces this output > > but not much interpertations. > > > > Regards > > > > Jai > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > > Dear Shri Jai > > > > > > You are looking in the right direction.This is yet another proof > > > that Divisions should not be drawn as a chart.There is only one > > > chart,the natal jataka,rest are all just divisions or vargas of > > > planets and Lagna.Rahu and Ketu being axis nodes, should be > > > diagonally opposite,when drawn zodiacally.But if we are considering > > > only amshas,they can be together.Sages have never advised us to > > draw > > > a Varga chakra.They have only advised us to analyse various > > > Vargamshas for respective purposes.From my limited knowledge,Vargas > > > should be understood as follows:-D-1,D-2,D-3 etc of lagna,D- 1,D-2,D- > > > 3 etc of Sun,D-1,D-2,D-3 etc of Moon and so on.Giving due respect > > to > > > all Gurujis, I have been trying to make this point for a very long > > > time,but in vain.Hope the divine will make us understand the truth > > > one day,until then let us seek/search for truth with open minds. > > > I can guess only one misunderstood reason behind construction of > > > Vargas as full charts.Consider the following shloka from Shri > > Kalyan > > > Varma's Saravali. > > > Moon in the navamsha of Mars aspected by Mars himself.This actually > > > means, when we divide the sign in which moon is placed into > > > nine,Moon should fall either in scorpio or aries amshas and also > > > Mars is placed either 4,7 or 8 houses prior to the Moon sign (So > > > that Mars can aspect Moon).But instead navamsha positions of all > > > planets /Lagna were grouped together and considerd as a full chart > > > and then an aspect of mars was considered from that 'extrapolated' > > > and 'Imaginary' chart.Misunderstanding of simlar shlokas led to a > > > major deviation from the original principles.I request Gurujis to > > > forgive me for expressing my understanding.I cannot see anyother > > > logic behind this. > > > > > > If you approach a chart with fresh/open mind and try to understand > > > what is a varga and how divisions are constructed, all your doubts > > > will be cleared. > > > > > > > > > Best regds > > > Pradeep > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Jai :\)" > > > <virtual2real> wrote: > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > I am seeing some of the charts the finer divisions D6/7/8/9/10. > > > > > > > > And i noticed something very peculiar > > > > > > > > 1) Can Rahu/Ketu be in same rashi in these charts? > > > > > > > > I heard that they have to be in Diagonally opposite houses(7 > > > Houses Apart). > > > > > > > > And What does this signify. > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > jai > > > > > > > > > > > > Supriti Majumdar <supriti15@h...> wrote: > > > > Dear Learned Members, > > > > > > > > I am a student of astrology. > > > > I am trying to analyze my dasamsa. Please help me. > > > > I am including my chart below. > > > > > > > > My dasamsa Lagna is Jupiter. In Dasamsa, both my A10 and 10th > > > lord > > > > is Mercury. It is debilitated and is with an exalted Ve. Does > > > this > > > > give Neechbhanga in terms of career. If so, when? > > > > > > > > Also, I have exalted Ma, (Sa), A6, A4 in the 2nd house. WHat > > does > > > > this signify. > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > Supriti > > > > > > > > > > > __________________ > > > > September 18, 1970 > > > > Time: 17:46:00 > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > Place: 88 E 22' 00", 22 N 34' 00" > > > > Kolkata, India > > > > > > > > Rasi > > > > +--------------+ > > > > | \ SaR / \ / | > > > > | \ Mo / \ Ra / | > > > > | \ / \ / | > > > > | \ / GL \ / | > > > > | \ / \ / | > > > > |AL x As x | > > > > | / \ / \ | > > > > | / \ / \ | > > > > | / \ / \ | > > > > | / Gk \ 12 / \ | > > > > | / \ / \ | > > > > | Md x | > > > > | \ / \ / | > > > > | \ / \ / | > > > > | \ / \ / | > > > > | \ / HL \ / | > > > > | \ / \ / | > > > > | x Su x | > > > > | / \ / \ | > > > > | / \ / \ | > > > > | / \ / \ | > > > > | / Ma \ / Ju \ | > > > > | / MeR Ke \ / Ve \ | > > > > +--------------+ > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa D-10 > > > > +--------------+ > > > > | \ SaR Md / \ / | > > > > | \ Ma / \ / | > > > > | \ / \ / | > > > > | \ / \ / | > > > > | \ / \ / | > > > > |Ju x As x Gk Ke | > > > > | / \ / \ | > > > > | / \ / \ | > > > > | / \ / \ | > > > > | / Ve \ 9 / \ | > > > > | / \ / \ | > > > > | MeR x | > > > > | \ / \ / | > > > > | \ / \ / | > > > > | \ / \ / | > > > > | \ / \ / | > > > > | \ / \ / | > > > > |Ra AL x x HL Mo | > > > > | / \ / \ | > > > > | / \ / \ | > > > > | / \ / \ | > > > > | / Su \ / GL \ | > > > > | / \ / \ | > > > > +--------------+ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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