Presidential Debate Prediction--To Narasimha

October 1, 2004

Hello Narasimha:

I watched the debate. Kerry destroyed Bush, Bush looked like an

insecure, whiny school kid in front of Kerry. The CNN as well as Fox

opinion polls this morning confirm that Kerry convincingly beat Bush.

Now, amongst all the Jyotishas, you, in my opinion, are one of the

most honest. So, why did you join the band-wagon of making

predictions based on popular public opinion? Off course, before the

debate, the public expected Bush to beat Kerry so EVERY astrologer

out there predicted that Bush'll beat Kerry, but the opposite

happened.

Same is the case with US elections. The popular public opinion is

that Bush will win. So, I'm sure all the hot and heavy Jyotishas like

Sanjay Rath, KN Rao, etc. etc. will predict a victory for Bush.

Same thing happened with BJP loss in the Indian elections. The

popular public opinion said that BJP will have a land-slide victory

and EVERY known astrologer in India predicted a BJP win. -- They all

saw Raj-yogs in the charts of BJP, Vajpai and Advani--and the sad

thing is that they were all working with different charts for the

same individuals--noone to this day knows what the correct charts,

yet all of these charts showed Raj-yogs for BJP and its leaders. What

happened to all these Raj-yogs?

The sad thing is that after their predictions on BJP victory, NO ONE

came forward and said that they had predicted based on popular public

opinion and NOT Jyotish. However, almost every astrologer whose

prediction had failed came up with a post-moterm of why their

prediction went wrong!!!!!!

What would happen if a surgeon performed the wrong surgery on a

patient and later justified his faliure by looking at the same

patient and finding reasons for his faliure???--he would be facing

serious medical mal-practice lawsuits.

How about this Narasimha--why don't you predict when will India be

able to get out of the clutches of the congress government run by

criminals, traitors and communists????? Why don't you see the chart

of India and explain why India keeps on falling into the hands of

crooked congressmen over and over and over again?????

First Nehru ruined India, then his daughter Indira ruined India, then

her son Rajiv ruined India and now India fell into the hands of

Rajiv's wife Sonia who has surrounded herself with some of the most

corrupt, backward and criminal minded people on India.

India with its huge highly-educated English speaking workforce could

have been like Hong-Kong, but is still a 3rd world country? Are there

some horrible yogs in India's chart that saints like Morarji Desai,

Jayaprakash Narayan, Vajpayee and Advani are booted out of the

government and corrupt politicians are taking over in their place

OVER and OVER again?

Why don't you take up a challenge like this rather than put out

predictions based on popular public opinion?

Mukund

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

<pvr@c...> wrote:

> Namaste,

>

> The daily Tithi Pravesha chart (DTPC) of Kerry is cast at 4:17:26

am (TZ: 6:00 west of GMT). This chart has Leo rising. Hora lord at

the time of the chart is Mercury. So he is the ruler of the day. He

is exalted in rasi chart in the 2nd house. Exalted Mercury in 2nd

shows eloquence and smooth speech. However, Mercury is debilitated in

navamsa. So I thought he may be a little shaky here and there.

Kerry's main challenge was to dispel the noton so successfully

planted in the minds of people by the Bush campaign that Kerry was a

flip-flopper and a waffler. With the hora lord Mercury placed in 2nd

in rasi and debilitated in navamsa, I was not sure if he would

deliver on that count. When I said he would be eloquent but a little

shaky, what I meant is that he would talk smoothly and fluently but

might not be able to convince too many undecideds who are worried

that he is a flip-flopper.

>

> In dasamsa, Mercury and Venus are in 6th from AL. With two benefics

in 6th, I thought he would come across as being soft and not too

attacking.

>

> Now look at Bush's DTPC. It is cast at 2:23:53 am (TZ: 4:00 west of

GMT). This chart has Cancer rising. The hora lord is Sun. So Sun is

the ruler of the day. Sun is in the 3rd house. While Mercury in 2nd

in Kerry's case shows eloquence and fluenct speech, Sun in 3rd in

Bush's case shows a strong, determined and a scathing approach. So I

said Bush would be somewhat strong and fiery. Moreover, in dasamsa,

Sun is in 3rd from AL. So I thought he would come across as being

attacking.

>

> Overall, I thought both would do well and neither would deliver a

huge blow to the other campaign. But the solar strength made me think

that Bush may come out of it with a slight advantage. I thought Bush

would use the opportunity a little better to harm the credibility of

Kerry, even though Kerry may appear more eloquent and scholarly.

>

> Whether that happened or not is debatable. Opinions of individuals

who watched the debate can vary and opinions of pundits who commented

on the TV may vary. Some would say Bush did better and some would say

Kerry did. How the overall electorate took the debates will become

clear in a few days after the latest opinion poll results are in.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

>

> > Dear Narasimha,

> > It is very rare of you to give predictions without astrological

> > analysis, can you kindly give analysis. I have seen your previous

> > Tithi Pravesh usage and no one uses the way you do, so it is

always a

> > learning for most of us.

> >

> > Have you rectified the birth times of the canditates, if yes can

you

> > post them on the list.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Sushmita

> >

> > vedic astrology, "pvr108" <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > Namaste friends,

> > >

> > > Based upon the daily Tithi Pravesha charts, it is my prediction

> > that

> > > tonight's US presidential debate will go well. Kerry will be

> > eloquent

> > > but a little shaky and Bush will be somewhat strong and fiery.

Both

> > > will do well, but Bush will come out of it with a little

advantage.

> > >

> > > The charts I am using are:

> > >

> > > George W Bush

> > >

> > > July 6, 1946

> > > Time: 7:30:00

> > > Time Zone: 4:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > Place: 72 W 55' 43", 41 N 18' 29"

> > >

> > > John Kerry

> > >

> > > December 11, 1943

> > > Time: 8:08:00

> > > Time Zone: 6:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > Place: 104 W 59' 03", 39 N 44' 21"

> > >

> > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > Narasimha

October 1, 2004

Dear Mukund,

If you think Kerry "destroyed" Bush in the debate, it is simply your

view. None of the political commentators I read or heard held that

view. Everybody said it was close and everybody said neither emerged

with a clear advantage. Some said Kerry had a narrow win in the

debate and some said Bush did. While it is true that more

commentators thought Kerry did a little better, it is certainly a

figment of imagination to say that Kerry "destroyed" Bush. That is

certainly not the mainstream view.

In Kerry's own backyard, a political commentator wrote in Boston

Globe: "Presidential debates can be more about which man is more

likable and trustworthy, and last night Kerry seemed tight and drawn

compared to the more relaxed Bush. I believe Senator Kerry's position

on all the issues -- Iran, Iraq, North Korea, and the Sudan -- were

superior to President Bush's, but my guess is that Bush came across

as the strong leader he meant to project, and that Kerry did not

manage to seriously dent his armor."

More than the unscientific opinion polls conducted by ABC, NBC, BBC

etc, opinion polls where the sample space is controlled statistically

give a better indication of who gained from the debate.

BTW, I did not predict that Bush would beat Kerry as you say every

astrologer did. I only predicted that it will be a close debate and

Bush may come out of it with a "little" advantage. The former is

certainly true according to all commentaries. The latter may have

been wrong, but we will know for sure only after a few days.

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

> Hello Narasimha:

>

> I watched the debate. Kerry destroyed Bush, Bush looked like an

> insecure, whiny school kid in front of Kerry. The CNN as well as

Fox

> opinion polls this morning confirm that Kerry convincingly beat

Bush.

>

> Now, amongst all the Jyotishas, you, in my opinion, are one of the

> most honest. So, why did you join the band-wagon of making

> predictions based on popular public opinion? Off course, before the

> debate, the public expected Bush to beat Kerry so EVERY astrologer

> out there predicted that Bush'll beat Kerry, but the opposite

> happened.

October 1, 2004

Dear Mukund,

There is nothing wrong in Narasimha predicting and may be even failing.

This is how a good astrologer hones his skills. Fallibility is an in

built factor in any predictive science. I and many other have also

predicted political events and failed and succeeded at various points

of time in our lives. You should admire his courage of putting his

prediction under public scrutiny, knowing that he could as well be

shown wrong within less than 24 Hours. My personal feeling is that

Narasimha is trying to test his Tithi Pravesha system of prediction and

think this is the right way to go about it. One must also remember that

Politician's birth data is rarely available with the degree of accuracy

needed.

I too have predicted at Puri conference when reuter asked me, that

President Bush will loose the election and this could be on account of

some wrong doing of his associates and on account of Prisoners of War

held at Guantanamo bay (Iraq had not happened by that time and his

opponent, also, was not known). I could fail or be proved right, only

time will tell.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

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