Karaka situated 12th from the lagna

September 17, 2004

|| Om Gurave Namah ||

Dear Prabodh,

Saturn in 12th will increase activities of the 6,8 and 12th house.

Hence it's not good. See it this way, 12th house indicates to whom

you spend on. Saturn will indicate expenditure to sickness or bad causes.

Take the example of say Andrew Carnegie(Use Cancer Lagna) who was one

the world's richest man and he had Jupiter in 12th. He gave a lot of

money in donations to Libraries and Universities.

Can you figure out why Sun in 12th is called Marana Kaaraka staana?.

But Sun in 12th can also make the person try to give out a lot as Sun

is very magnanimous.

Warm Regards

Sanjay P.

Om Tat Sat

vedic astrology, "amolmandar" <amolmandar>

wrote:

> Dear Respected members and all Gurus Nmaste

>

> While reading the Bhavarta Ratnakar I came across the shloka that

> says "The person will be fortunate in the respect of that Bhava

> whose karaka is in the 12th from lagna" So if in a chart Sa/Su are

> in 12th house then this person should be fortunate with respect to

> 1st/9th house as Sun is karaka of 1st/9th and he should be fortunate

> with respect to Service/Shatru/Ayu as Saturn is karak of 6th and 8th

> house. Am I correct? Secondly what does it mean fortunate with

> respect to karak? How do we apply this principle in practical

> astrology? Please guide.

>

> Thanks a lot for your time and Sapce.

>

> Prabodh Vekhande

September 17, 2004

||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

Dear and respected Prabodhji,

Can you give us the complete reference (chap o, sloka no,etc) from B.Ratnakara?

Secondly I'm having a chart where sun and sat both are placed in 12th from lagna

and 4th from moon. But having opposite results (Loss of father and great

struggle in career)

So if possible pls send sanskrit sloka also.

Hopefully other group members will also contribute their experience in this concern.

REgards,

Vinay Patwardhan

Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:53:49 -0000 "amolmandar"

<amolmandar >Karaka situated 12th from the lagnaDear

Respected members and all Gurus NmasteWhile reading the Bhavarta Ratnakar I

came across the shloka that says "The person will be fortunate in the respect

of that Bhava whose karaka is in the 12th from lagna" So if in a chart Sa/Su

are in 12th house then this person should be fortunate with respect to 1st/9th

house as Sun is karaka of 1st/9th and he should be fortunate with respect to

Service/Shatru/Ayu as Saturn is karak of 6th and 8th house. Am I correct?

Secondly what does it mean fortunate with respect to karak? How do we apply

this principle in practical astrology? Please guide.Thanks a lot for your time

and Sapce.Prabodh Vekhande

September 18, 2004

Dear Vinay Namaste

6th Shloka in BhagyaYoga Tarang(Cap 8) read like this

Yadbhavakarako Lagnaduvyaye tishati chedadi|

tasya bhavasya sarvasya bhagyayoga udiritH||6||

The rough translation would be the person would be fortunate with

respect to the bhava whose karaka is in vyaya. The big question is

how to interpret this 'fortunate'. Sun is 12th means the person is

fortunate with respect to self/father/dharma. Will he be equally

fortunate if lagna lord is placed in 6th or 8th? Now here lord of

the house is ill placed but karaka of the house is in 12th. How to

judge natives fortune? Does karaka supersede lord? As in your case.

The karka of 9th house is in 12th so you should be fortunate

regarding your father but where is lord of 9th?

Since you have lost your father it must be ill placed. In my case

the karka of 9th house is in 12th and lord of 9th is in 5th. So I

must be fortunate regarding father or dharma or Guru. I am really

fortunate regarding all. I am fully enjoying company of my

father,born as Hindu and got Guru as His Holiness Shnakaracharya ji.

On the contrary I have the 6th bhava karka in 12th aspecting its

karka house and 6th lord in labha. So I should have been fortunate

with respect to my service as well but I never was. I had to quit

and start my own earnings.

So I am still not sure whether the lordship comes first and then the

karkatwa in uderstanding 'fortunate'. That is why I wanted opinion

of learned members like you.

Possibly Shri Chandrashekhar ji's response will make us more clear

about the understanding of the above shloka from B.R.

Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

Prabodh Vekhande

Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar

vedic astrology, "Vinay Patwardhan"

<patwardhanvinay@h...> wrote:

> ||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

>

> Dear and respected Prabodhji,

>

> Can you give us the complete reference (chap o, sloka no,etc) from

B.Ratnakara?

>

> Secondly I'm having a chart where sun and sat both are placed in

12th from lagna and 4th from moon. But having opposite results (Loss

of father and great struggle in career)

>

> So if possible pls send sanskrit sloka also.

>

> Hopefully other group members will also contribute their

experience in this concern.

>

> REgards,

>

> Vinay Patwardhan

>

> -

-------------

> Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:53:49 -0000

> "amolmandar" <amolmandar>

> Karaka situated 12th from the lagna

>

> Dear Respected members and all Gurus Nmaste

>

> While reading the Bhavarta Ratnakar I came across the shloka that

> says "The person will be fortunate in the respect of that Bhava

> whose karaka is in the 12th from lagna" So if in a chart Sa/Su

are

> in 12th house then this person should be fortunate with respect to

> 1st/9th house as Sun is karaka of 1st/9th and he should be

fortunate

> with respect to Service/Shatru/Ayu as Saturn is karak of 6th and

8th

> house. Am I correct? Secondly what does it mean fortunate with

> respect to karak? How do we apply this principle in practical

> astrology? Please guide.

>

> Thanks a lot for your time and Sapce.

>

> Prabodh Vekhande

September 18, 2004

Dear Friend,

As per limited understanding of self,

12th house is house of BHOGA.

It is mirror opposite of 2nd house. 2nd is accumulation and 12th is

SPENDING.

That is why this house is known as SHAIYA SUKHA STHANAM also.

It falls in 9th place from 4th.

All Bhogas are experienced due to accumulated Punya

from present , past Karma and also Bhagya.

Because there is VYAYA of such accumulated sanchit Punya , 12th is

also known as house of EXPENSES or VYAYA STHANA.

All karakas give good result due to situation in 12th because of this

reason.

This is self's understanding . People may differ.

Tatvam-Asi

vedic astrology, "amolmandar"

<amolmandar> wrote:

> Dear Vinay Namaste

>

> 6th Shloka in BhagyaYoga Tarang(Cap 8) read like this

>

> Yadbhavakarako Lagnaduvyaye tishati chedadi|

> tasya bhavasya sarvasya bhagyayoga udiritH||6||

>

> The rough translation would be the person would be fortunate with

> respect to the bhava whose karaka is in vyaya. The big question is

> how to interpret this 'fortunate'. Sun is 12th means the person is

> fortunate with respect to self/father/dharma. Will he be equally

> fortunate if lagna lord is placed in 6th or 8th? Now here lord of

> the house is ill placed but karaka of the house is in 12th. How to

> judge natives fortune? Does karaka supersede lord? As in your case.

> The karka of 9th house is in 12th so you should be fortunate

> regarding your father but where is lord of 9th?

>

> Since you have lost your father it must be ill placed. In my case

> the karka of 9th house is in 12th and lord of 9th is in 5th. So I

> must be fortunate regarding father or dharma or Guru. I am really

> fortunate regarding all. I am fully enjoying company of my

> father,born as Hindu and got Guru as His Holiness Shnakaracharya

ji.

> On the contrary I have the 6th bhava karka in 12th aspecting its

> karka house and 6th lord in labha. So I should have been fortunate

> with respect to my service as well but I never was. I had to quit

> and start my own earnings.

>

> So I am still not sure whether the lordship comes first and then

the

> karkatwa in uderstanding 'fortunate'. That is why I wanted opinion

> of learned members like you.

> Possibly Shri Chandrashekhar ji's response will make us more clear

> about the understanding of the above shloka from B.R.

>

> Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

>

> Prabodh Vekhande

>

> Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar

vedic astrology, "Vinay Patwardhan"

> <patwardhanvinay@h...> wrote:

> > ||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

> >

> > Dear and respected Prabodhji,

> >

> > Can you give us the complete reference (chap o, sloka no,etc)

from

> B.Ratnakara?

> >

> > Secondly I'm having a chart where sun and sat both are placed in

> 12th from lagna and 4th from moon. But having opposite results

(Loss

> of father and great struggle in career)

> >

> > So if possible pls send sanskrit sloka also.

> >

> > Hopefully other group members will also contribute their

> experience in this concern.

> >

> > REgards,

> >

> > Vinay Patwardhan

> >

-

> -------------

> > Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:53:49 -0000

> > "amolmandar" <amolmandar>

> > Karaka situated 12th from the lagna

> >

> > Dear Respected members and all Gurus Nmaste

> >

> > While reading the Bhavarta Ratnakar I came across the shloka that

> > says "The person will be fortunate in the respect of that Bhava

> > whose karaka is in the 12th from lagna" So if in a chart Sa/Su

> are

> > in 12th house then this person should be fortunate with respect

to

> > 1st/9th house as Sun is karaka of 1st/9th and he should be

> fortunate

> > with respect to Service/Shatru/Ayu as Saturn is karak of 6th and

> 8th

> > house. Am I correct? Secondly what does it mean fortunate with

> > respect to karak? How do we apply this principle in practical

> > astrology? Please guide.

> >

> > Thanks a lot for your time and Sapce.

> >

> > Prabodh Vekhande

September 18, 2004

||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

Dear and Respected Prabodhji,

Thanks for the sloka and reference given by you.

Pls note the case is not of mine and of my friend. His Asc is Vi and Ven is

in Asc with mars and Rahu!!

and Ta is with moon!!

Secondly as You know we should take into consideration all 3 factors (may be

more also) atleast.

BhAvAt BhAvaPatesch KArkatwAt!! Also same planet like Guru in 12th what it

will improve and wht it will reduce? As Jup is Kaarkaa of 2nd,5th,9,10,11

(Almost half of life is depend on Guru) !!

(I know even Yavankar is also saying Shubha Grahas in 12th is blessings)

I think first importance given is to planets occupied (here we have 2

opinions Chalit Chakra and Std Rasi Chakra) Then Bhaavesh Vichar is imp then

Lastly Karkaa should be checked!! I don't want to mess up between Chara and

other Karkas into this dictum. Being amature !!

I request you and all learned ones and Respected Chandrashekharji to throw

some more light and requesting " BAlAdapi SubhAshitam GrAhyam"

With Regards,

Vinay Patwardhan

-

"Amol Mandar" <amolmandar

"Vinay Patwardhan" <patwardhanvinay

Saturday, September 18, 2004 4:34 PM

Re: Karaka situated 12th from the lagna

> Dear Vinay Namaste

>

> 6th Shloka in BhagyaYoga Tarang(Cap 8) read like this

>

> Yadbhavakarako Lagnaduvyaye tishati chedadi|

> tasya bhavasya sarvasya bhagyayoga udiritH||6||

>

> The rough translation would be the person would be

> fortunate with respect to the bhava whose karaka is in

> vyaya. The big question is how to interpret this

> 'fortunate'. Sun is 12th means the person is fortunate

> with respect to self/father/dharma. Will he be

> equally fortunate if lagna lord is placed in 6th or

> 8th? Now here lord of the house is ill placed but

> karaka of the house is in 12th. How to judge natives

> fortune? Does karaka supersede lord? As in your case.

> The karka of 9th house is in 12th so you should be

> fortunate regarding your father but where is lord of

> 9th? Since you have lost your father it must be ill

> placed. In my case the karka of 9th house is in 12th

> and lord of 9th is in 5th. So I must be fortunate

> regarding father or dharma or Guru. I am really

> fortunate regarding all. I am fully enjoying company

> of my father,born as Hindu and got Guru as His

> Holiness Shnakaracharya ji. On the contrary I have the

> 6th bhava karka in 12th aspecting its karka house and

> 6th lord in labha. So I should have been fortunate

> with respect to my service as well but I never was. I

> had to quit and start my own earnings.

>

> So I am still not sure whether the lordship comes

> first and then the karkatwa in uderstanding

> 'fortunate'. That is why I wanted opinion of learned

> members like you.

> Possibly Shri Chandrashekhar ji's response will make

> us more clear about the understanding of the above

> shloka from B.R.

>

> Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

>

> Prabodh Vekhande

>

> Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar

>

> --- Vinay Patwardhan <patwardhanvinay

> wrote:

> > ||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

> >

> > Dear and respected Prabodhji,

> >

> > Can you give us the complete reference (chap o,

> > sloka no,etc) from B.Ratnakara?

> >

> > Secondly I'm having a chart where sun and sat both

> > are placed in 12th from lagna and 4th from moon. But

> > having opposite results (Loss of father and great

> > struggle in career)

> >

> > So if possible pls send sanskrit sloka also.

> >

> > Hopefully other group members will also contribute

> > their experience in this concern.

> >

> > REgards,

> >

> > Vinay Patwardhan

> >

> --------

------

> > Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:53:49 -0000

> > "amolmandar" <amolmandar

> > Karaka situated 12th from the lagna

> >

> > Dear Respected members and all Gurus Nmaste

> >

> > While reading the Bhavarta Ratnakar I came across

> > the shloka that

> > says "The person will be fortunate in the respect of

> > that Bhava

> > whose karaka is in the 12th from lagna" So if in a

> > chart Sa/Su are

> > in 12th house then this person should be fortunate

> > with respect to

> > 1st/9th house as Sun is karaka of 1st/9th and he

> > should be fortunate

> > with respect to Service/Shatru/Ayu as Saturn is

> > karak of 6th and 8th

> > house. Am I correct? Secondly what does it mean

> > fortunate with

> > respect to karak? How do we apply this principle in

> > practical

> > astrology? Please guide.

> >

> > Thanks a lot for your time and Sapce.

> >

> > Prabodh Vekhande

> >

>

> _________

> How much mail storage do you get for free? Mail

> gives you 100MB! Get Mail http://uk.mail.

>

September 18, 2004

Dear Vinay/Prabodh,

It would have been better if the shloka in Itrans fonts had been

posted, and the context in which it appears, so that the intent behind

could have been gleaned.

The translation offered ( which I am certain is correct) seems exactly

opposite to what the basic principles tell us. I am not getting the

right phonetic of the last word in first line of the shloka. I would

have agreed with the content of the shloka if it had refered to Karaka

of dusthana. The name of author, if available as this is not always

the case with ancient texts, would also help us understand how much

weightage we should give to what has been stated. In Bhavartha Ratnakar

the shloka follows one about 3rd,6th and 11th house and if the shloka

stated relates to it then the reference would be to Karaka of 3,6,and

11th house giving growth to 3,6 and 11th Bhava which as I said earlier

would be acceptable on sound astrological principles.

Look at the way Sun in 12th affects relations with one's father or the

variance in profession of Son and father at the very least to

understand what I am trying to say, when I said that I think the shloka

is against the basic principles of astrology.

Chandrashekhar.

Vinay Patwardhan wrote:

||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

Dear and Respected Prabodhji,

Thanks for the sloka and reference given by you.

Pls note the case is not of mine and of my friend. His Asc is Vi and

Ven is

in Asc with mars and Rahu!!

and Ta is with moon!!

Secondly as You know we should take into consideration all 3 factors

(may be

more also) atleast.

BhAvAt BhAvaPatesch KArkatwAt!! Also same planet like Guru in 12th what

it

will improve and wht it will reduce? As Jup is Kaarkaa of

2nd,5th,9,10,11

(Almost half of life is depend on Guru) !!

(I know even Yavankar is also saying Shubha Grahas in 12th is blessings)

I think first importance given is to planets occupied (here we have 2

opinions Chalit Chakra and Std Rasi Chakra) Then Bhaavesh Vichar is imp

then

Lastly Karkaa should be checked!! I don't want to mess up between Chara

and

other Karkas into this dictum. Being amature !!

I request you and all learned ones and Respected Chandrashekharji to

throw

some more light and requesting " BAlAdapi SubhAshitam GrAhyam"

With Regards,

Vinay Patwardhan

-

"Amol Mandar" <amolmandar >

"Vinay Patwardhan" <patwardhanvinay (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>

Saturday, September 18, 2004 4:34 PM

Re: Karaka situated 12th from the lagna

> Dear Vinay Namaste

>

> 6th Shloka in BhagyaYoga Tarang(Cap 8) read like this

>

> Yadbhavakarako Lagnaduvyaye tishati chedadi|

> tasya bhavasya sarvasya bhagyayoga udiritH||6||

>

> The rough translation would be the person would be

> fortunate with respect to the bhava whose karaka is in

> vyaya. The big question is how to interpret this

> 'fortunate'. Sun is 12th means the person is fortunate

> with respect to self/father/dharma. Will he be

> equally fortunate if lagna lord is placed in 6th or

> 8th? Now here lord of the house is ill placed but

> karaka of the house is in 12th. How to judge natives

> fortune? Does karaka supersede lord? As in your case.

> The karka of 9th house is in 12th so you should be

> fortunate regarding your father but where is lord of

> 9th? Since you have lost your father it must be ill

> placed. In my case the karka of 9th house is in 12th

> and lord of 9th is in 5th. So I must be fortunate

> regarding father or dharma or Guru. I am really

> fortunate regarding all. I am fully enjoying company

> of my father,born as Hindu and got Guru as His

> Holiness Shnakaracharya ji. On the contrary I have the

> 6th bhava karka in 12th aspecting its karka house and

> 6th lord in labha. So I should have been fortunate

> with respect to my service as well but I never was. I

> had to quit and start my own earnings.

>

> So I am still not sure whether the lordship comes

> first and then the karkatwa in uderstanding

> 'fortunate'. That is why I wanted opinion of learned

> members like you.

> Possibly Shri Chandrashekhar ji's response will make

> us more clear about the understanding of the above

> shloka from B.R.

>

> Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

>

> Prabodh Vekhande

>

> Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar

>

> --- Vinay Patwardhan <patwardhanvinay (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>

> wrote:

> > ||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

> >

> > Dear and respected Prabodhji,

> >

> > Can you give us the complete reference (chap o,

> > sloka no,etc) from B.Ratnakara?

> >

> > Secondly I'm having a chart where sun and sat both

> > are placed in 12th from lagna and 4th from moon. But

> > having opposite results (Loss of father and great

> > struggle in career)

> >

> > So if possible pls send sanskrit sloka also.

> >

> > Hopefully other group members will also contribute

> > their experience in this concern.

> >

> > REgards,

> >

> > Vinay Patwardhan

> >

>

--------

------

> > Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:53:49 -0000

> > "amolmandar" <amolmandar >

> > Karaka situated 12th from the lagna

> >

> > Dear Respected members and all Gurus Nmaste

> >

> > While reading the Bhavarta Ratnakar I came across

> > the shloka that

> > says "The person will be fortunate in the respect of

> > that Bhava

> > whose karaka is in the 12th from lagna" So if in a

> > chart Sa/Su are

> > in 12th house then this person should be fortunate

> > with respect to

> > 1st/9th house as Sun is karaka of 1st/9th and he

> > should be fortunate

> > with respect to Service/Shatru/Ayu as Saturn is

> > karak of 6th and 8th

> > house. Am I correct? Secondly what does it mean

> > fortunate with

> > respect to karak? How do we apply this principle in

> > practical

> > astrology? Please guide.

> >

> > Thanks a lot for your time and Sapce.

> >

> > Prabodh Vekhande

> >

>

> _________

> How much mail storage do you get for free? Mail

> gives you 100MB! Get Mail http://uk.mail.

>

September 19, 2004

Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namaste

Sorry that I did not give the shloka in Itrans fonts. Here I am

pasting it. Please see it in Itrrans99 to read it exactly.

yadbhaavakarako lagnaaduuvyaye tiSThati chedyadi|

tasya bhavasya sarvasya bhaagyayoga udiiritaH..6..

It is in the chapter 8 named BhagyaYoga Taranga in B.R. Every shloka

in this chapter describes about possible bhagya yoga in a chart. The

5th Shloka indeed says that person is fortunate id malefics are in

3rd,6th and 11th but in the 6th shloka there is no word that will

make us to take 5th as the reference to it. Moreover 5th shloka does

not seem to incomplete so as to take its next as continuation. So

there seemsto be no continuty relationship between 5th and 6th and

hence 6th may not applied for only 3/6/11 bhavas. Please correct me

if i am wrong. If we take lordship into account then 9th lord in

12th may not give good relationship with father but according to

this shloka the karka of 9th the Sun in 12th may make him fortunate

with respect to father. Which seems to correct atleast in my case.

Ofcourse this is my opinion and can be totally wrong.

Thanks lot for your Time and Sapce.

Prabodh Vekhande

Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar

vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel>

wrote:

> Dear Vinay/Prabodh,

> It would have been better if the shloka in Itrans fonts had been

posted,

> and the context in which it appears, so that the intent behind

could

> have been gleaned.

> The translation offered ( which I am certain is correct) seems

exactly

> opposite to what the basic principles tell us. I am not getting

the

> right phonetic of the last word in first line of the shloka. I

would

> have agreed with the content of the shloka if it had refered to

Karaka

> of dusthana. The name of author, if available as this is not

always the

> case with ancient texts, would also help us understand how much

> weightage we should give to what has been stated. In Bhavartha

Ratnakar

> the shloka follows one about 3rd,6th and 11th house and if the

shloka

> stated relates to it then the reference would be to Karaka of

3,6,and

> 11th house giving growth to 3,6 and 11th Bhava which as I said

earlier

> would be acceptable on sound astrological principles.

> Look at the way Sun in 12th affects relations with one's father or

the

> variance in profession of Son and father at the very least to

understand

> what I am trying to say, when I said that I think the shloka is

against

> the basic principles of astrology.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Vinay Patwardhan wrote:

>

> > ||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

> >

> > Dear and Respected Prabodhji,

> >

> > Thanks for the sloka and reference given by you.

> >

> > Pls note the case is not of mine and of my friend. His Asc is Vi

and

> > Ven is

> > in Asc with mars and Rahu!!

> > and Ta is with moon!!

> >

> > Secondly as You know we should take into consideration all 3

factors

> > (may be

> > more also) atleast.

> > BhAvAt BhAvaPatesch KArkatwAt!! Also same planet like Guru in

12th what it

> > will improve and wht it will reduce? As Jup is Kaarkaa of

2nd,5th,9,10,11

> > (Almost half of life is depend on Guru) !!

> > (I know even Yavankar is also saying Shubha Grahas in 12th is

blessings)

> >

> > I think first importance given is to planets occupied (here we

have 2

> > opinions Chalit Chakra and Std Rasi Chakra) Then Bhaavesh Vichar

is

> > imp then

> > Lastly Karkaa should be checked!! I don't want to mess up

between

> > Chara and

> > other Karkas into this dictum. Being amature !!

> >

> > I request you and all learned ones and Respected

Chandrashekharji to throw

> > some more light and requesting " BAlAdapi SubhAshitam GrAhyam"

> >

> > With Regards,

> >

> > Vinay Patwardhan

> >

> > -

> > "Amol Mandar" <amolmandar>

> > "Vinay Patwardhan" <patwardhanvinay@h...>

> > Saturday, September 18, 2004 4:34 PM

> > Re: Karaka situated 12th from the lagna

> >

> > > Dear Vinay Namaste

> > >

> > > 6th Shloka in BhagyaYoga Tarang(Cap 8) read like this

> > >

> > > Yadbhavakarako Lagnaduvyaye tishati chedadi|

> > > tasya bhavasya sarvasya bhagyayoga udiritH||6||

> > >

> > > The rough translation would be the person would be

> > > fortunate with respect to the bhava whose karaka is in

> > > vyaya. The big question is how to interpret this

> > > 'fortunate'. Sun is 12th means the person is fortunate

> > > with respect to self/father/dharma. Will he be

> > > equally fortunate if lagna lord is placed in 6th or

> > > 8th? Now here lord of the house is ill placed but

> > > karaka of the house is in 12th. How to judge natives

> > > fortune? Does karaka supersede lord? As in your case.

> > > The karka of 9th house is in 12th so you should be

> > > fortunate regarding your father but where is lord of

> > > 9th? Since you have lost your father it must be ill

> > > placed. In my case the karka of 9th house is in 12th

> > > and lord of 9th is in 5th. So I must be fortunate

> > > regarding father or dharma or Guru. I am really

> > > fortunate regarding all. I am fully enjoying company

> > > of my father,born as Hindu and got Guru as His

> > > Holiness Shnakaracharya ji. On the contrary I have the

> > > 6th bhava karka in 12th aspecting its karka house and

> > > 6th lord in labha. So I should have been fortunate

> > > with respect to my service as well but I never was. I

> > > had to quit and start my own earnings.

> > >

> > > So I am still not sure whether the lordship comes

> > > first and then the karkatwa in uderstanding

> > > 'fortunate'. That is why I wanted opinion of learned

> > > members like you.

> > > Possibly Shri Chandrashekhar ji's response will make

> > > us more clear about the understanding of the above

> > > shloka from B.R.

> > >

> > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> > >

> > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > >

> > > Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar

> > >

> > > --- Vinay Patwardhan <patwardhanvinay@h...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > ||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

> > > >

> > > > Dear and respected Prabodhji,

> > > >

> > > > Can you give us the complete reference (chap o,

> > > > sloka no,etc) from B.Ratnakara?

> > > >

> > > > Secondly I'm having a chart where sun and sat both

> > > > are placed in 12th from lagna and 4th from moon. But

> > > > having opposite results (Loss of father and great

> > > > struggle in career)

> > > >

> > > > So if possible pls send sanskrit sloka also.

> > > >

> > > > Hopefully other group members will also contribute

> > > > their experience in this concern.

> > > >

> > > > REgards,

> > > >

> > > > Vinay Patwardhan

> > > >

> > >

> > --------------------------------

---------

> > ------

> > > > Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:53:49 -0000

> > > > "amolmandar" <amolmandar>

> > > > Karaka situated 12th from the lagna

> > > >

> > > > Dear Respected members and all Gurus Nmaste

> > > >

> > > > While reading the Bhavarta Ratnakar I came across

> > > > the shloka that

> > > > says "The person will be fortunate in the respect of

> > > > that Bhava

> > > > whose karaka is in the 12th from lagna" So if in a

> > > > chart Sa/Su are

> > > > in 12th house then this person should be fortunate

> > > > with respect to

> > > > 1st/9th house as Sun is karaka of 1st/9th and he

> > > > should be fortunate

> > > > with respect to Service/Shatru/Ayu as Saturn is

> > > > karak of 6th and 8th

> > > > house. Am I correct? Secondly what does it mean

> > > > fortunate with

> > > > respect to karak? How do we apply this principle in

> > > > practical

> > > > astrology? Please guide.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks a lot for your time and Sapce.

> > > >

> > > > Prabodh Vekhande

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September 19, 2004

Dear Vinay Namaste

Extermly sorry for the mistake I commited. Please accept my

apologies and convey my pranams to your father as well.

Bhava-Bhavesh and Karaka or Karaka Bhava-Bhavesh one day it may be

clear. Lets wait till then!

Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

Prabodh Vekhande

Jai Jai Shankara Har Har Shankar

vedic astrology, "Vinay Patwardhan"

<patwardhanvinay@h...> wrote:

> ||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

>

> Dear and Respected Prabodhji,

>

> Thanks for the sloka and reference given by you.

>

> Pls note the case is not of mine and of my friend. His Asc is Vi

and Ven is

> in Asc with mars and Rahu!!

> and Ta is with moon!!

>

> Secondly as You know we should take into consideration all 3

factors (may be

> more also) atleast.

> BhAvAt BhAvaPatesch KArkatwAt!! Also same planet like Guru in 12th

what it

> will improve and wht it will reduce? As Jup is Kaarkaa of

2nd,5th,9,10,11

> (Almost half of life is depend on Guru) !!

> (I know even Yavankar is also saying Shubha Grahas in 12th is

blessings)

>

> I think first importance given is to planets occupied (here we

have 2

> opinions Chalit Chakra and Std Rasi Chakra) Then Bhaavesh Vichar

is imp then

> Lastly Karkaa should be checked!! I don't want to mess up between

Chara and

> other Karkas into this dictum. Being amature !!

>

> I request you and all learned ones and Respected Chandrashekharji

to throw

> some more light and requesting " BAlAdapi SubhAshitam GrAhyam"

>

> With Regards,

>

> Vinay Patwardhan

>

> -

> "Amol Mandar" <amolmandar>

> "Vinay Patwardhan" <patwardhanvinay@h...>

> Saturday, September 18, 2004 4:34 PM

> Re: Karaka situated 12th from the lagna

>

> > Dear Vinay Namaste

> >

> > 6th Shloka in BhagyaYoga Tarang(Cap 8) read like this

> >

> > Yadbhavakarako Lagnaduvyaye tishati chedadi|

> > tasya bhavasya sarvasya bhagyayoga udiritH||6||

> >

> > The rough translation would be the person would be

> > fortunate with respect to the bhava whose karaka is in

> > vyaya. The big question is how to interpret this

> > 'fortunate'. Sun is 12th means the person is fortunate

> > with respect to self/father/dharma. Will he be

> > equally fortunate if lagna lord is placed in 6th or

> > 8th? Now here lord of the house is ill placed but

> > karaka of the house is in 12th. How to judge natives

> > fortune? Does karaka supersede lord? As in your case.

> > The karka of 9th house is in 12th so you should be

> > fortunate regarding your father but where is lord of

> > 9th? Since you have lost your father it must be ill

> > placed. In my case the karka of 9th house is in 12th

> > and lord of 9th is in 5th. So I must be fortunate

> > regarding father or dharma or Guru. I am really

> > fortunate regarding all. I am fully enjoying company

> > of my father,born as Hindu and got Guru as His

> > Holiness Shnakaracharya ji. On the contrary I have the

> > 6th bhava karka in 12th aspecting its karka house and

> > 6th lord in labha. So I should have been fortunate

> > with respect to my service as well but I never was. I

> > had to quit and start my own earnings.

> >

> > So I am still not sure whether the lordship comes

> > first and then the karkatwa in uderstanding

> > 'fortunate'. That is why I wanted opinion of learned

> > members like you.

> > Possibly Shri Chandrashekhar ji's response will make

> > us more clear about the understanding of the above

> > shloka from B.R.

> >

> > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> >

> > Prabodh Vekhande

> >

> > Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar

> >

> > --- Vinay Patwardhan <patwardhanvinay@h...>

> > wrote:

> > > ||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

> > >

> > > Dear and respected Prabodhji,

> > >

> > > Can you give us the complete reference (chap o,

> > > sloka no,etc) from B.Ratnakara?

> > >

> > > Secondly I'm having a chart where sun and sat both

> > > are placed in 12th from lagna and 4th from moon. But

> > > having opposite results (Loss of father and great

> > > struggle in career)

> > >

> > > So if possible pls send sanskrit sloka also.

> > >

> > > Hopefully other group members will also contribute

> > > their experience in this concern.

> > >

> > > REgards,

> > >

> > > Vinay Patwardhan

> > >

> > --------------------------------

---------

> ------

> > > Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:53:49 -0000

> > > "amolmandar" <amolmandar>

> > > Karaka situated 12th from the lagna

> > >

> > > Dear Respected members and all Gurus Nmaste

> > >

> > > While reading the Bhavarta Ratnakar I came across

> > > the shloka that

> > > says "The person will be fortunate in the respect of

> > > that Bhava

> > > whose karaka is in the 12th from lagna" So if in a

> > > chart Sa/Su are

> > > in 12th house then this person should be fortunate

> > > with respect to

> > > 1st/9th house as Sun is karaka of 1st/9th and he

> > > should be fortunate

> > > with respect to Service/Shatru/Ayu as Saturn is

> > > karak of 6th and 8th

> > > house. Am I correct? Secondly what does it mean

> > > fortunate with

> > > respect to karak? How do we apply this principle in

> > > practical

> > > astrology? Please guide.

> > >

> > > Thanks a lot for your time and Sapce.

> > >

> > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > >

> >

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> >

September 20, 2004

Dear Prabodh,

Could you translate "chedyadi" the word has been troubling me even when

viewed in itrans. another word that troubles me is "lagnaduuvyaye" both

seem to have either been wrongly typed or the source seems to have some

corruption of original word. I would have done this myself,

unfortunately one of my friends who borrowed my copy of Bhavartha

Ratnakar has deemed it fit to not return it to me and I do not have

access to the original version right now. The second one should have

been perhaps "lagnaadvyaye".

When reading any of the texts of Jyotish, one does have to find the

context in which a shloka has been written. If you look at Aries Lagna

yoga in the same text, it states that " This is the only Lagna where

it’s great if the 2nd lord is in the 12th; this isn’t the case with any

other lagnas". This would contradict with what has been said in the

shloka that you have quoted because 2nd lord would be Karaka for some

Bhava or other and its unqualified placement in 12th should be

fortunate if we have to accept the shloka without reference to the

previous shloka. Think about this apparent contradiction in the same

text. This is why it is said that when apparent contradiction appears

even in two different texts of authorities in a Shastra one has to

carry out rationalization to understand their meaning.

Chandrashekhar.

amolmandar wrote: