2nd house Jup in various roles--to Mr.Razdan Chandraji

September 17, 2004

Respected Chandrashekhar ji.

Please accpet my pranams as you are the senior most Guru in age and

experience in this group.

Your observation about Guru is absolutely right.

Self had posted in this group and elsewhere an article on "

"Guru Boon or Bane??" some time back where it was shown Guru's

position in various houses which had been destroyed/troubled by Guru.

"Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva

Bhava Vriddhhi karau Shanih"

This Dictum had been proved by self.

You may (Mr.Razdan) go thro' older postings and read for yourself and

check the examples that were given.

Difference between Jupiter and saturn is, Jupiter sucks the goodness

of a house and gives fruit to houses it aspects. Saturn sucks the

houses he aspects and increases the house it occupies.

Tatvam-Asi

vedic astrology, PNRazdan <pnrazdan>

wrote:

> Dear Chandrashekhar,

> You seem to be extending your arguments against Jupiter still

further.

> Firstly you said that Jup is ashub in houses it is a designated as a

> Karka like 2,5,9,10 and 11 based on the principle of "Karka Bhavo

Nasa"

> . Now you say that it will harm every house it is placed in. Why

this

> animosity with Jup, the hope of millions believing in Vedic

Astrology

> (in lighter vein).

>

> You refer to some dictum of a sage, source was not given by you. But

> take out any basic book on ancient astrology. It always speaks of

the

> benefic qualities of Jupiter. Somewhere it is even said, that

howsoever

> bad it may be placed in, it will still try to help the subject. And

> this has been amply proved by our experience.

> I am afraid. you will have to do some more hardwork for convincing

all

> about your notions of Jupiter, the heavenly Brahiman. This would

even

> mean a paradigm shift in Vedic Astrology.

> Pran Razdan

>

> --- Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:

>

> > Dear Prafulla,

> > Reference to Leo was in connection with what Shubhangi had asked.

> > Jupiter harming the house he is placed in is a dictum given by

sages

> > and

> > there is no reason to try to find out the reason. If one wants to

> > find

> > the reason about Leo, consider this in natural zodiac Leo is in

5th

> > house whose occupation by Jupiter leads to Karaka Bhava Dasha. In

> > 11th

> > all planets are Shubha so it is not only Jupiter who is Shubha

there.

> >

> > Disha strength is one amongst many strengths considered but not

as

> > strong as Digbala and Jupiter gets that in Lagna.

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > Prafulla Gang wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > >

> > > In my humble view, (Jupiter may not be preferred in Leo for

> > Muhurta,

> > > I do not know much about muhurta related configurations),It may

not

> > > become weak in terms of Bala necessarily (generally speaking).

In

> > > fact, jupiter in 3rd house in Libra is considered bad.

> > >

> > > Jupiter in 11th house (any sign) will have directional strength

to

> > > initiate for results.

> > >

> > > There must be more than this reason, for jupiter to give

negative

> > > results.

> > >

> > > regards/Prafulla Gang

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> > <boxdel>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Dear Shubhangi,

> > > > Being an Indian you must know that Jupiter looses his

strength in

> > > Leo

> > > > and that is why there are no Muhurtas for marriages when

Jupiter

> > > > occupies Leo or what is called as Simhastha. That is due to

the

> > > fact of

> > > > Guru lacking Bala. In your brother's case Sun being in own

Rasi

> > > makes

> > > > him Shubha and therefore good relations with Father. But I

would

> > > say he

> > > > would not follow father's profession.

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > Shubhangi Naik wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >Dear Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > >Sorry for intervening in your session, but I am curious to

know

> > > the logic behind jupiter losing its strength in leo and hence

this

> > > email.

> > > > >Yes, your dictum worked in my brother's case also.

> > > > >My brother has sun+jup in leo but in 8th, no doubt he is very

> > > intelligent but did not do much well in academics and yes, he

did

> > > fail once in his 10th class.

> > > > >With my half knowledge I thought the reason to be the

> > positioning

> > > of both the planets in 8th, but now curious to know why jup

losses

> > > strength in leo.

> > > > >But though both planets are positioned in 8th, both father

and

> > > son shares good relation with each other.

> > > > >Thanks,

> > > > >Shubhangi

> > > > >

> > > > >On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 Chandrashekhar wrote :

> > > > >

> > > > >>Dear Dhira,

> > > > >>There you see the dictum working. Is it not?

> > > > >>Regards,

> > > > >>Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >>

> > > > >>Dhira Krsna BCS wrote:

> > > > >>

> > > > >>>Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>>>In your case it is in Leo. Jupiter looses strength in Leo.

> > Any

> > > problems

> > > > >>>>in education?

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>No, except for one year I didn't study and failed. That

was in

> > > 1986-87, my

> > > > >>>first year of university. Interesting, I get Vimshottari

Ven-

> > > Rahu-Jup and

> > > > >>>Sat for that year.

> > > > >>>

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September 18, 2004

Dear Anuj,

I am glad you agree with me. As you rightly said in your message to

Razdan,a the dictum is pretty well known to astrologers. There are many

shlokas to that effects and charts prove the veracity of the dictum, I

have myself posted a few of them earlier.

Unfortunately there is a tendency to mix up terms like Benefic/Malefic

with the results a planet is likely to give. This happens more with

Jupiter as people usually tend to equate it with Deeksha Guru as his

name in Sanskrit is Guru. People tend to forget Parashara telling when

Guru can act as Maraka and want to attribute only good and pious

attributes to him. I prefer to keep my personal feelings and prejudices

apart from application of astrological principles.

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

nameisego wrote:

Respected Chandrashekhar ji.

Please accpet my pranams as you are the senior most Guru in age and

experience in this group.

Your observation about Guru is absolutely right.

Self had posted in this group and elsewhere an article on "

"Guru Boon or Bane??" some time back where it was shown Guru's

position in various houses which had been destroyed/troubled by Guru.

"Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva

Bhava Vriddhhi karau Shanih"

This Dictum had been proved by self.

You may (Mr.Razdan) go thro' older postings and read for yourself and

check the examples that were given.

Difference between Jupiter and saturn is, Jupiter sucks the goodness

of a house and gives fruit to houses it aspects. Saturn sucks the

houses he aspects and increases the house it occupies.

Tatvam-Asi

vedic astrology, PNRazdan <pnrazdan>

wrote:

> Dear Chandrashekhar,

> You seem to be extending your arguments against Jupiter still

further.

> Firstly you said that Jup is ashub in houses it is a designated as

a

> Karka like 2,5,9,10 and 11 based on the principle of "Karka Bhavo

Nasa"

> . Now you say that it will harm every house it is placed in. Why

this

> animosity with Jup, the hope of millions believing in Vedic

Astrology

> (in lighter vein).

>

> You refer to some dictum of a sage, source was not given by you.

But

> take out any basic book on ancient astrology. It always speaks of

the

> benefic qualities of Jupiter. Somewhere it is even said, that

howsoever

> bad it may be placed in, it will still try to help the subject. And

> this has been amply proved by our experience.

> I am afraid. you will have to do some more hardwork for convincing

all

> about your notions of Jupiter, the heavenly Brahiman. This would

even

> mean a paradigm shift in Vedic Astrology.

> Pran Razdan

>

> --- Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:

>

> > Dear Prafulla,

> > Reference to Leo was in connection with what Shubhangi had

asked.

> > Jupiter harming the house he is placed in is a dictum given

by

sages

> > and

> > there is no reason to try to find out the reason. If one

wants to

> > find

> > the reason about Leo, consider this in natural zodiac Leo is

in

5th

> > house whose occupation by Jupiter leads to Karaka Bhava

Dasha. In

> > 11th

> > all planets are Shubha so it is not only Jupiter who is

Shubha

there.

> >

> > Disha strength is one amongst many strengths considered but

not

as

> > strong as Digbala and Jupiter gets that in Lagna.

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > Prafulla Gang wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > >

> > > In my humble view, (Jupiter may not be preferred in Leo

for

> > Muhurta,

> > > I do not know much about muhurta related

configurations),It may

not

> > > become weak in terms of Bala necessarily (generally

speaking).

In

> > > fact, jupiter in 3rd house in Libra is considered bad.

> > >

> > > Jupiter in 11th house (any sign) will have directional

strength

to

> > > initiate for results.

> > >

> > > There must be more than this reason, for jupiter to give

negative

> > > results.

> > >

> > > regards/Prafulla Gang

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> > <boxdel>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Dear Shubhangi,

> > > > Being an Indian you must know that Jupiter looses

his

strength in

> > > Leo

> > > > and that is why there are no Muhurtas for marriages

when

Jupiter

> > > > occupies Leo or what is called as Simhastha. That

is due to

the

> > > fact of

> > > > Guru lacking Bala. In your brother's case Sun being

in own

Rasi

> > > makes

> > > > him Shubha and therefore good relations with

Father. But I

would

> > > say he

> > > > would not follow father's profession.

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > Shubhangi Naik wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >Dear Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > >Sorry for intervening in your session, but I am

curious to

know

> > > the logic behind jupiter losing its strength in leo and

hence

this

> > > email.

> > > > >Yes, your dictum worked in my brother's case

also.

> > > > >My brother has sun+jup in leo but in 8th, no

doubt he is very

> > > intelligent but did not do much well in academics and

yes, he

did

> > > fail once in his 10th class.

> > > > >With my half knowledge I thought the reason to

be the

> > positioning

> > > of both the planets in 8th, but now curious to know why

jup

losses

> > > strength in leo.

> > > > >But though both planets are positioned in 8th,

both father

and

> > > son shares good relation with each other.

> > > > >Thanks,

> > > > >Shubhangi

> > > > >

> > > > >On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 Chandrashekhar wrote :

> > > > >

> > > > >>Dear Dhira,

> > > > >>There you see the dictum working. Is it not?

> > > > >>Regards,

> > > > >>Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >>

> > > > >>Dhira Krsna BCS wrote:

> > > > >>

> > > > >>>Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>>>In your case it is in Leo. Jupiter

looses strength in Leo.

> > Any

> > > problems

> > > > >>>>in education?

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>No, except for one year I didn't study

and failed. That

was in

> > > 1986-87, my

> > > > >>>first year of university. Interesting,

I get Vimshottari

Ven-

> > > Rahu-Jup and

> > > > >>>Sat for that year.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>>Yours,

> > > > >>>Dhira Krsna dasa,

> > > > >>>Jyotishi

> > > > >>>http://www.radhadesh.com

> > > > >>>http://www.geocities.com/dvdd1008/Jyotisha.html

> > > > >>>

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September 18, 2004

Dear Chandrashekhar ji

I have been trying to test the principles taught by you related to

guru in various bhavas.

When in 3rd always some difficulties for siblings.Even when in own

sign and in 4th,problems for mother and at home front.

When in 7th at marriage front.When in Lagna and not in own sign some

physical weakness and health problems in childhood.

Thus Guru tests the individual thouroughly.

Also sages have advised that Guru is not favourable while transiting

kendra houses 1,4,and 10th from moon.Only the 7th kendra is

beneficial.(Is there any reason for this?) Only 2nd,5th,7th and 9th

are favourable.11th being good for all planets in general.

Respect

Pradeep

vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel>

wrote:

> Dear Anuj,

> I am glad you agree with me. As you rightly said in your message

to

> Razdan,a the dictum is pretty well known to astrologers. There are

many

> shlokas to that effects and charts prove the veracity of the

dictum, I

> have myself posted a few of them earlier.

> Unfortunately there is a tendency to mix up terms like

Benefic/Malefic

> with the results a planet is likely to give. This happens more

with

> Jupiter as people usually tend to equate it with Deeksha Guru as

his

> name in Sanskrit is Guru. People tend to forget Parashara telling

when

> Guru can act as Maraka and want to attribute only good and pious

> attributes to him. I prefer to keep my personal feelings and

prejudices

> apart from application of astrological principles.

> Take care,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> nameisego wrote:

>

> >

> > Respected Chandrashekhar ji.

> > Please accpet my pranams as you are the senior most Guru in age

and

> > experience in this group.

> > Your observation about Guru is absolutely right.

> > Self had posted in this group and elsewhere an article on "

> > "Guru Boon or Bane??" some time back where it was shown Guru's

> > position in various houses which had been destroyed/troubled by

Guru.

> >

> > "Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva

> > Bhava Vriddhhi karau Shanih"

> > This Dictum had been proved by self.

> >

> > You may (Mr.Razdan) go thro' older postings and read for

yourself and

> > check the examples that were given.

> >

> > Difference between Jupiter and saturn is, Jupiter sucks the

goodness

> > of a house and gives fruit to houses it aspects. Saturn sucks the

> > houses he aspects and increases the house it occupies.

> >

> > Tatvam-Asi

> >

> > vedic astrology, PNRazdan <pnrazdan>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > You seem to be extending your arguments against Jupiter still

> > further.

> > > Firstly you said that Jup is ashub in houses it is a

designated as a

> > > Karka like 2,5,9,10 and 11 based on the principle of "Karka

Bhavo

> > Nasa"

> > > . Now you say that it will harm every house it is placed in.

Why

> > this

> > > animosity with Jup, the hope of millions believing in Vedic

> > Astrology

> > > (in lighter vein).

> > >

> > > You refer to some dictum of a sage, source was not given by

you. But

> > > take out any basic book on ancient astrology. It always speaks

of

> > the

> > > benefic qualities of Jupiter. Somewhere it is even said, that

> > howsoever

> > > bad it may be placed in, it will still try to help the

subject. And

> > > this has been amply proved by our experience.

> > > I am afraid. you will have to do some more hardwork for

convincing

> > all

> > > about your notions of Jupiter, the heavenly Brahiman. This

would

> > even

> > > mean a paradigm shift in Vedic Astrology.

> > > Pran Razdan

> > >

> > > --- Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Prafulla,

> > > > Reference to Leo was in connection with what Shubhangi had

asked.

> > > > Jupiter harming the house he is placed in is a dictum given

by

> > sages

> > > > and

> > > > there is no reason to try to find out the reason. If one

wants to

> > > > find

> > > > the reason about Leo, consider this in natural zodiac Leo is

in

> > 5th

> > > > house whose occupation by Jupiter leads to Karaka Bhava

Dasha. In

> > > > 11th

> > > > all planets are Shubha so it is not only Jupiter who is

Shubha

> > there.

> > > >

> > > > Disha strength is one amongst many strengths considered but

not

> > as

> > > > strong as Digbala and Jupiter gets that in Lagna.

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > Prafulla Gang wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > > > >

> > > > > In my humble view, (Jupiter may not be preferred in Leo for

> > > > Muhurta,

> > > > > I do not know much about muhurta related

configurations),It may

> > not

> > > > > become weak in terms of Bala necessarily (generally

speaking).

> > In

> > > > > fact, jupiter in 3rd house in Libra is considered bad.

> > > > >

> > > > > Jupiter in 11th house (any sign) will have directional

strength

> > to

> > > > > initiate for results.

> > > > >

> > > > > There must be more than this reason, for jupiter to give

> > negative

> > > > > results.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards/Prafulla Gang

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <boxdel>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Shubhangi,

> > > > > > Being an Indian you must know that Jupiter looses his

> > strength in

> > > > > Leo

> > > > > > and that is why there are no Muhurtas for marriages when

> > Jupiter

> > > > > > occupies Leo or what is called as Simhastha. That is due

to

> > the

> > > > > fact of

> > > > > > Guru lacking Bala. In your brother's case Sun being in

own

> > Rasi

> > > > > makes

> > > > > > him Shubha and therefore good relations with Father. But

I

> > would

> > > > > say he

> > > > > > would not follow father's profession.

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Shubhangi Naik wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >Dear Sir,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >Sorry for intervening in your session, but I am curious

to

> > know

> > > > > the logic behind jupiter losing its strength in leo and

hence

> > this

> > > > > email.

> > > > > > >Yes, your dictum worked in my brother's case also.

> > > > > > >My brother has sun+jup in leo but in 8th, no doubt he

is very

> > > > > intelligent but did not do much well in academics and yes,

he

> > did

> > > > > fail once in his 10th class.

> > > > > > >With my half knowledge I thought the reason to be the

> > > > positioning

> > > > > of both the planets in 8th, but now curious to know why jup

> > losses

> > > > > strength in leo.

> > > > > > >But though both planets are positioned in 8th, both

father

> > and

> > > > > son shares good relation with each other.

> > > > > > >Thanks,

> > > > > > >Shubhangi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 Chandrashekhar wrote :

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>Dear Dhira,

> > > > > > >>There you see the dictum working. Is it not?

> > > > > > >>Regards,

> > > > > > >>Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>Dhira Krsna BCS wrote:

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>In your case it is in Leo. Jupiter looses strength

in Leo.

> > > > Any

> > > > > problems

> > > > > > >>>>in education?

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>No, except for one year I didn't study and failed.

That

> > was in

> > > > > 1986-87, my

> > > > > > >>>first year of university. Interesting, I get

Vimshottari

> > Ven-

> > > > > Rahu-Jup and

> > > > > > >>>Sat for that year.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>Yours,

> > > > > > >>>Dhira Krsna dasa,

> > > > > > >>>Jyotishi

> > > > > > >>>http://www.radhadesh.com

> > > > > > >>>http://www.geocities.com/dvdd1008/Jyotisha.html

> > > > > > >>>

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Dear Pradeep,

Correct application of dictum will invariably yield correct results.

Guru in transit in 7th being good has to do with his being in trines to

7th or Lagna for marriage to take place, as also by the reason of his

aspecting 3,1 and 11th giving benefits to those Bhavas. However note

that with placement in 7th there would be some disturbance in work

environment especially the Jataka is in business.

Chandrashekhar.

vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

Dear Chandrashekhar ji

I have been trying to test the principles taught by you related to

guru in various bhavas.

When in 3rd always some difficulties for siblings.Even when in own

sign and in 4th,problems for mother and at home front.

When in 7th at marriage front.When in Lagna and not in own sign some

physical weakness and health problems in childhood.

Thus Guru tests the individual thouroughly.

Also sages have advised that Guru is not favourable while transiting

kendra houses 1,4,and 10th from moon.Only the 7th kendra is

beneficial.(Is there any reason for this?) Only 2nd,5th,7th and 9th

are favourable.11th being good for all planets in general.

Respect

Pradeep

vedic astrology,

Chandrashekhar

wrote:

> Dear Anuj,

> I am glad you agree with me. As you rightly said in your message

to

> Razdan,a the dictum is pretty well known to astrologers. There are

many

> shlokas to that effects and charts prove the veracity of the

dictum, I

> have myself posted a few of them earlier.

> Unfortunately there is a tendency to mix up terms like

Benefic/Malefic

> with the results a planet is likely to give. This happens more

with

> Jupiter as people usually tend to equate it with Deeksha Guru as

his

> name in Sanskrit is Guru. People tend to forget Parashara telling

when

> Guru can act as Maraka and want to attribute only good and pious

> attributes to him. I prefer to keep my personal feelings and

prejudices

> apart from application of astrological principles.

> Take care,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> nameisego wrote:

>

> >

> > Respected Chandrashekhar ji.

> > Please accpet my pranams as you are the senior most Guru in

age

and

> > experience in this group.

> > Your observation about Guru is absolutely right.

> > Self had posted in this group and elsewhere an article on "

> > "Guru Boon or Bane??" some time back where it was shown Guru's

> > position in various houses which had been destroyed/troubled

by

Guru.

> >

> > "Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva

> > Bhava Vriddhhi karau Shanih"

> > This Dictum had been proved by self.

> >

> > You may (Mr.Razdan) go thro' older postings and read for

yourself and

> > check the examples that were given.

> >

> > Difference between Jupiter and saturn is, Jupiter sucks the

goodness

> > of a house and gives fruit to houses it aspects. Saturn sucks

the

> > houses he aspects and increases the house it occupies.

> >

> > Tatvam-Asi

> >

> > vedic astrology,

PNRazdan

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > You seem to be extending your arguments against Jupiter

still

> > further.

> > > Firstly you said that Jup is ashub in houses it is a

designated as a

> > > Karka like 2,5,9,10 and 11 based on the principle of

"Karka

Bhavo

> > Nasa"

> > > . Now you say that it will harm every house it is placed

in.

Why

> > this

> > > animosity with Jup, the hope of millions believing in

Vedic

> > Astrology

> > > (in lighter vein).

> > >

> > > You refer to some dictum of a sage, source was not given

by

you. But

> > > take out any basic book on ancient astrology. It always

speaks

of

> > the

> > > benefic qualities of Jupiter. Somewhere it is even said,

that

> > howsoever

> > > bad it may be placed in, it will still try to help the

subject. And

> > > this has been amply proved by our experience.

> > > I am afraid. you will have to do some more hardwork for

convincing

> > all

> > > about your notions of Jupiter, the heavenly Brahiman.

This

would

> > even

> > > mean a paradigm shift in Vedic Astrology.

> > > Pran Razdan

> > >

> > > --- Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Prafulla,

> > > > Reference to Leo was in connection with what

Shubhangi had

asked.

> > > > Jupiter harming the house he is placed in is a

dictum given

by

> > sages

> > > > and

> > > > there is no reason to try to find out the reason.

If one

wants to

> > > > find

> > > > the reason about Leo, consider this in natural

zodiac Leo is

in

> > 5th

> > > > house whose occupation by Jupiter leads to Karaka

Bhava

Dasha. In

> > > > 11th

> > > > all planets are Shubha so it is not only Jupiter

who is

Shubha

> > there.

> > > >

> > > > Disha strength is one amongst many strengths

considered but

not

> > as

> > > > strong as Digbala and Jupiter gets that in Lagna.

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > Prafulla Gang wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > > > >

> > > > > In my humble view, (Jupiter may not be

preferred in Leo for

> > > > Muhurta,

> > > > > I do not know much about muhurta related

configurations),It may

> > not

> > > > > become weak in terms of Bala necessarily

(generally

speaking).

> > In

> > > > > fact, jupiter in 3rd house in Libra is

considered bad.

> > > > >

> > > > > Jupiter in 11th house (any sign) will have

directional

strength

> > to

> > > > > initiate for results.

> > > > >

> > > > > There must be more than this reason, for

jupiter to give

> > negative

> > > > > results.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards/Prafulla Gang

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology,

Chandrashekhar

> > > > <boxdel>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Shubhangi,

> > > > > > Being an Indian you must know that

Jupiter looses his

> > strength in

> > > > > Leo

> > > > > > and that is why there are no Muhurtas for

marriages when

> > Jupiter

> > > > > > occupies Leo or what is called as

Simhastha. That is due

to

> > the

> > > > > fact of

> > > > > > Guru lacking Bala. In your brother's case

Sun being in

own

> > Rasi

> > > > > makes

> > > > > > him Shubha and therefore good relations

with Father. But

I

> > would

> > > > > say he

> > > > > > would not follow father's profession.

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Shubhangi Naik wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >Dear Sir,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >Sorry for intervening in your

session, but I am curious

to

> > know

> > > > > the logic behind jupiter losing its strength

in leo and

hence

> > this

> > > > > email.

> > > > > > >Yes, your dictum worked in my

brother's case also.

> > > > > > >My brother has sun+jup in leo but in

8th, no doubt he

is very

> > > > > intelligent but did not do much well in

academics and yes,

he

> > did

> > > > > fail once in his 10th class.

> > > > > > >With my half knowledge I thought the

reason to be the

> > > > positioning

> > > > > of both the planets in 8th, but now curious to

know why jup

> > losses

> > > > > strength in leo.

> > > > > > >But though both planets are

positioned in 8th, both

father

> > and

> > > > > son shares good relation with each other.

> > > > > > >Thanks,

> > > > > > >Shubhangi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 Chandrashekhar

wrote :

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>Dear Dhira,

> > > > > > >>There you see the dictum working.

Is it not?

> > > > > > >>Regards,

> > > > > > >>Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>Dhira Krsna BCS wrote:

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>In your case it is in

Leo. Jupiter looses strength

in Leo.

> > > > Any

> > > > > problems

> > > > > > >>>>in education?

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>No, except for one year I

didn't study and failed.

That

> > was in

> > > > > 1986-87, my

> > > > > > >>>first year of university.

Interesting, I get

Vimshottari

> > Ven-

> > > > > Rahu-Jup and

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Om Gurave Namah

Namaste Pradeep ji,

I happen to know of individuals who have strong Guru in 4th and 7th. Strong

Guru in 4th has blessed the individual with great knowledge, an intelligence

that borders on genius and a rare inner harmony. That person, a devout Muslim,

is one of the finest individuals I have ever come across, and he is very

attached to his family and mother and there are no problems what so ever on the

home front. This individual is highly esteemed in his work environment and has

all the comforts one could desire. Infact, Guru in 4th is supposed to cast

sukhargala on lagna, which is good for the general health & happiness of the

person.

The individual with Jupiter & Saturn in 7th (Dhanus) is my own dear husband. We

have been very happily married for nearly 20 years. My husband has prospered

remarkably after marriage.

I am posting the charts here.

I request that you also post the charts of the individuals to whom you were

referring in your post, for our edification and discussion.

Regards,

Lakshmi

vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep > wrote:

Dear Chandrashekhar jiI have been trying to test the principles taught by you

related to guru in various bhavas.When in 3rd always some difficulties for

siblings.Even when in own sign and in 4th,problems for mother and at home

front.When in 7th at marriage front.When in Lagna and not in own sign some

physical weakness and health problems in childhood.Thus Guru tests the

individual thouroughly.Also sages have advised that Guru is not favourable

while transiting kendra houses 1,4,and 10th from moon.Only the 7th kendra is

beneficial.(Is there any reason for this?) Only 2nd,5th,7th and 9th are

favourable.11th being good for all planets in general.RespectPradeep--- In

vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:> Dear

Anuj,> I am glad you agree with me. As

you rightly said in your message to > Razdan,a the dictum is pretty well known

to astrologers. There are many > shlokas to that effects and charts prove the

veracity of the dictum, I > have myself posted a few of them earlier.>

Unfortunately there is a tendency to mix up terms like Benefic/Malefic > with

the results a planet is likely to give. This happens more with > Jupiter as

people usually tend to equate it with Deeksha Guru as his > name in Sanskrit is

Guru. People tend to forget Parashara telling when > Guru can act as Maraka and

want to attribute only good and pious > attributes to him. I prefer to keep my

personal feelings and prejudices > apart from application of astrological

principles.> Take care,> Chandrashekhar.> > nameisego wrote:> > >> > Respected

Chandrashekhar ji.> > Please accpet my pranams as you

are the senior most Guru in age and> > experience in this group.> > Your

observation about Guru is absolutely right.> > Self had posted in this group

and elsewhere an article on "> > "Guru Boon or Bane??" some time back where it

was shown Guru's> > position in various houses which had been

destroyed/troubled by Guru.> >> > "Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva> > Bhava Vriddhhi

karau Shanih"> > This Dictum had been proved by self.> >> > You may (Mr.Razdan)

go thro' older postings and read for yourself and> > check the examples that

were given.> >> > Difference between Jupiter and saturn is, Jupiter sucks the

goodness> > of a house and gives fruit to houses it aspects. Saturn sucks the>

> houses he aspects and increases the house it occupies.> >> > Tatvam-Asi> >>

>> >>

>> >> >> > vedic astrology, PNRazdan <pnrazdan>> >

wrote:> > > Dear Chandrashekhar,> > > You seem to be extending your arguments

against Jupiter still> > further.> > > Firstly you said that Jup is ashub in

houses it is a designated as a> > > Karka like 2,5,9,10 and 11 based on the

principle of "Karka Bhavo> > Nasa"> > > . Now you say that it will harm every

house it is placed in. Why> > this> > > animosity with Jup, the hope of

millions believing in Vedic> > Astrology> > > (in lighter vein).> > >> > > You

refer to some dictum of a sage, source was not given by you. But> > > take out

any basic book on ancient astrology. It always speaks of> > the> > > benefic

qualities of Jupiter. Somewhere it is

even said, that> > howsoever> > > bad it may be placed in, it will still try to

help the subject. And> > > this has been amply proved by our experience.> > > I

am afraid. you will have to do some more hardwork for convincing> > all> > >

about your notions of Jupiter, the heavenly Brahiman. This would> > even> > >

mean a paradigm shift in Vedic Astrology.> > > Pran Razdan> > >> > > ---

Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:> > >> > > > Dear Prafulla,> > > > Reference

to Leo was in connection with what Shubhangi had asked.> > > > Jupiter harming

the house he is placed in is a dictum given by> > sages> > > > and> > > > there

is no reason to try to find out the reason. If one wants to> > > > find> >

> > the reason about Leo, consider this in natural zodiac Leo is in> > 5th> > >

> house whose occupation by Jupiter leads to Karaka Bhava Dasha. In> > > >

11th> > > > all planets are Shubha so it is not only Jupiter who is Shubha> >

there.> > > >> > > > Disha strength is one amongst many strengths considered

but not> > as> > > > strong as Digbala and Jupiter gets that in Lagna.> > > >

Chandrashekhar.> > > >> > > > Prafulla Gang wrote:> > > >> > > > > Dear

Chandrashekhar ji> > > > >> > > > > In my humble view, (Jupiter may not be

preferred in Leo for> > > > Muhurta,> > > > > I do not know much about muhurta

related configurations),It may> > not> > > > >

become weak in terms of Bala necessarily (generally speaking).> > In> > > > >

fact, jupiter in 3rd house in Libra is considered bad.> > > > >> > > > >

Jupiter in 11th house (any sign) will have directional strength> > to> > > > >

initiate for results.> > > > >> > > > > There must be more than this reason,

for jupiter to give> > negative> > > > > results.> > > > >> > > > >

regards/Prafulla Gang> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar> > > > <boxdel>> > > > >

wrote:> > > > > > Dear Shubhangi,> > > > > > Being an Indian you must know that

Jupiter looses his> > strength in> >

> > > Leo> > > > > > and that is why there are no Muhurtas for marriages when> >

Jupiter> > > > > > occupies Leo or what is called as Simhastha. That is due to>

> the> > > > > fact of> > > > > > Guru lacking Bala. In your brother's case Sun

being in own> > Rasi> > > > > makes> > > > > > him Shubha and therefore good

relations with Father. But I> > would> > > > > say he> > > > > > would not

follow father's profession.> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > >> > > > > >

Shubhangi Naik wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > >Dear Sir,> > > > > > >> > > > > >

>Sorry for intervening in your session, but I am curious

to> > know> > > > > the logic behind jupiter losing its strength in leo and

hence> > this> > > > > email.> > > > > > >Yes, your dictum worked in my

brother's case also.> > > > > > >My brother has sun+jup in leo but in 8th, no

doubt he is very> > > > > intelligent but did not do much well in academics and

yes, he> > did> > > > > fail once in his 10th class.> > > > > > >With my half

knowledge I thought the reason to be the> > > > positioning> > > > > of both

the planets in 8th, but now curious to know why jup> > losses> > > > > strength

in leo.> > > > > > >But though both planets are positioned in 8th, both father>

> and> > > > > son shares good relation with each

other.> > > > > > >Thanks,> > > > > > >Shubhangi> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >On Wed, 15 Sep 2004

Chandrashekhar wrote :> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >>Dear Dhira,> > >

> > > >>There you see the dictum working. Is it not?> > > > > > >>Regards,> > >

> > > >>Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>Dhira Krsna BCS wrote:> > > >

> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> >>>Dear Chandrashekhar,> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>In your case it is in Leo. Jupiter looses strength in

Leo.> > > > Any> > > > > problems> > > > > > >>>>in education?> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>No, except for one year I

didn't study and failed. That> > was in> > > > > 1986-87, my> > > > > >

>>>first year of university. Interesting, I get Vimshottari> > Ven-> > > > >

Rahu-Jup

and> > > > > > >>>Sat for that year.> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>Yours,> > > >

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Namaste Ramesh ji,

>From your post, I presume your Jupiter is posited in Virgo along with Mars. Now,

Jupiter is never known to be happy in virgo and so is the case with Mars. Losses

are certain to occur especially if they are aspected by Saturn (the karaka for

losses) from from 12th house (house of loss). Now, how are you sure that losses

and non-performance of yogakaraka Mars are on account of Jupiter in 2nd and not

on account of Saturn's aspect on them and on the 9th house 9the house of luck?

When Rahu dasa is running, isn't it like Saturn's dasa, as the dictum says

Sanivad Rahu ? Jup dasa is also bound to reflect the sum effect of its

placement+ influence of Saturn & other planets on Jupiter, doesn't it?

Atleast, that is my understanding! Please correct me if I am wrong.

By the way, where are Mercury & sun in your chart? And, Rahu?

Regards,

Lakshmi

ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Om Namah Shivaaye,

Respected Lakshmi Ji,

I have jup in 2nd house conjuct with yogkaraka Mars in my birth chart.These two

planets are aspected by Saturn posited in 12th house in cancer rashi.

I never enjoyed my life in my own way. I had been always struggling for money

till now . But one thing I have observed if I accummulate money ,it never

increases.Whereas if I expend , it starts coming through some source. I can

not take the risk of unnecessary expenditure. I remain only balanced to

fulfill my needs.

In my chart Jupiter is vargottam and at present Jup.MD is running I never find

Jup. giving me good results. I left one defence service in Rahu-Jup.

Om Tat Sat.

aarceemastro

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