wondering if I will have another chance - To Shri Vishwanatham

September 27, 2004

Vishwanatham ji,

I'm sorry for a very delayed response. I guess the suggestion to

check the sashtyamsa was hinted at me. I have to admit I'm no

jyotishi but a (self-taught) learner, the reason I keep quiet without

participating much most of the time.It just so happened that in this

thread, having been a person of lofty ideals and strong moral/ethical

values all through my life, there was sudden insurgency of a strong

impulse to speak up against what I felt was wrong/incorrect, atleast

in my case. Since every time I speak up, I immediately run into a

mentally drained/exhausted and introspective state of analyzing the

pros and cons of speaking up thus. I think "not to speak up" is

ultimately the right thing to do afterall, and because of this

reason, I have decided not even to visit this forum for a long while

to come. For example, I have seen O'Reilly shows where he has

commented negatively on the atmosphere at India, and Hinduism

adversely for so many times. While each time I do feel the same

impulse to speak up against it, I ultimately keep quiet since I

cannot do anything. I once sent a long write-up protesting against a

column in Boston Globe Sunday article against Engineers from India,

but that never showed up anywhere for some reason :-(. Well, I guess

that's me and its time to change afterall.

I apologize for this non-astrological message.

Thanks

Jayashree

vedic astrology, "vishwanatham"

<vishwanatham@r...> wrote:

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> Please have a look at the shashtiamsa of the planet to see what

kind

> of karma the planet is carrying from the past life. That requires

> some amount of BT accuracy. So we need to pause....

>

> Hope this helps.

>

> regards

> viswanadham

>

> vedic astrology, "Jayashree"

> <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote:

> > Mukundji,

> >

> > I wasn't trying to prove anything. I was rather trying

> to "disprove"

> > what your statement "tried to prove" w.r.t Rahu's placement in

12th

> > house for the entire populace that comes under its umbrella. And

I

> am

> > justified in having proven my salt's worth for whatever this holy

> > planet has blessed me with, for being a happy self.

> >

> > Allowing myself a little liberty(!) so to speak, I guess

> > reciting "Manthra-Raja Pada Stothram" should greatly benefit you,

> > since Rahu casts 2nd argala (I don't know if this is obstructed

or

> > unobstructed) being placed in Mars' house and also Mars aspects

> your

> > Sani. This stothram is considered the "King of all stothrams".

> >

> > Bye now.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Jayashree

> >

> > vedic astrology, "monmuk111"

> <monmuk111>

> > wrote:

> > > Hello Jayashree:

> > >

> > > I've read the notes you've posted attempting to prove

that "Rahu

> is

> > > 12th" doesn't always cause bondage, sexual immorality and

> illegaly

> > > obtained wealth.

> > >

> > > Yes, I agree the the "Rahu in 12th" results are greatly

modified

> by

> > > the placement in a good rashi, i.e. Gemini, Virgo, Taurus and

> > Aries.

> > > I also agree that the nature of "Rahu in 12th" is somewhat

> modified

> > > by its placement in a good nakshatra (Jupiter ruled nakshatras).

> > >

> > > Firstly, "Planet in house" dictum never fails. Secondly "Planet

> in

> > > Rashi" dictum never fails. These two are enough for a broad-

brush

> > > prediction. Thereafter, one can apply all the high-level mumbo-

> > jumbo

> > > WHICH usually fails.

> > >

> > > The only high-level mumbo-jumbo that I've seen give consistent

> > > results is Sanjay Rath's notes about predicting nature of

spouse

> > and

> > > the quaility of marriage based on Upapada Lagna and

> planets/rashis

> > in

> > > 2nd and 12th from Upapada.

> > >

> > > See, in the case of Paul Macartney, he DID have to go

> > > through "bondage" like situation as his wife was frequently

> > > hospitalized and he had to care for her. -- See, Rahu in 12th

> > dictum

> > > didn't fail.

> > >

> > > Swami Vivekanada's chart confuses me. I know a woman with Rahu

in

> > > 12th in Scorpio, this woman has the worst character in the

world--

> > she

> > > sells herself, lies, steals, does everthing that the society

> frowns

> > > upon as long as her actions benefit her--she also has Sun in

> > > Mooltrikona in 9th house, but this great placement seems to

have

> > been

> > > compeltely eclipsed by debilitated Rahu in 6th.

> > >

> > > Now, don't worry about your Rahu too much--it is well-

disposited

> by

> > > the Lagna lord who again is well placed. Well, in your case,

> > Jupiter

> > > is in a friendly rashi in the throne who becomes a good

> protector.

> > >

> > > I have Saturn in 5th in the enemy Rashi of Pisces and evertime

I

> go

> > > through Saturn Anatara-pratyantara, my life turns upside down--

> see,

> > > the dictum about bad effects of Shani in 5th doesn't fail here.

> > >

> > > Mukund

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "Jayashree"

> > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote:

> > > > Mukundji,

> > > >

> > > > Consider the chart of Swami Vivekananda. His chart comes with

> JHL

> > > > 6.0. He has debilitated Rahu in Scorpio in 12th house. His

> > Sanyasa

> > > > Marga does not need my re-introduction.

> > > >

> > > > Also, based on the info provided by another member, consider

> the

> > > > chart of Paul McCartney. His chart has Rahu with Gulika in 12

> in

> > > Leo.

> > > > As I read his life history yesterday, I came to know his wife

> > > fought

> > > > and eventually was given away to Breast Cancer. This I would

> > > > attribute to being indicated by Jup, McCartney's 4/7th lord

> > > acquiring

> > > > Kendradipathi dosha placed in 10th house and in A7 conjoining

> > Sun,

> > > > the dispositor of Rahu with Gulika in 12th house.

Nevertheless,

> > it

> > > > goes without further saying that his wife hasn't

> > afterall "suffered

> > > > hospitalization along with extra-marital affairs along with

> > earning

> > > > money through unfair means".

> > > >

> > > > In my own chart : Oct 31 1971, 2:32 PM, Madras, Rahu is co-

lord

> > of

> > > > Aquarius lagna, placed in another of Sani's houses thereby

> > strongly

> > > > signifying Sanidev, and placed in 6th lord (waxing) Moon's

star

> > in

> > > 2,

> > > > having healthy trinal relationship with dispositor and

lagnesh

> > Sani

> > > > where Sani is also placed in a friendly sign in a kendra.

Also

> to

> > > be

> > > > noted that Rahu is devoid of any further malefic aspects or

> > > > associations such as Gulika or Mandi.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > >

> > > > Jayashree

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "Jayashree"

> > > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote:

> > > > > Mukundji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't agree with you.

> > > > >

> > > > > It may be a different question whether someone ascends

> > > spiritually

> > > > > in a birth or not. However, sinful activities such as

murder,

> > > > > adultery, cruelty to children/animals/others are the

> resultant

> > > > > of 'poorva paap'. While Rahu will assist in unfolding the

> > sinful

> > > > > deeds or poorva paap, Rahu is nevertheless 'not' the

> indicator

> > of

> > > > > accumulated sins. Infact, no single planet can be. It

should

> > > rather

> > > > > be indicated by the affliction to certain key-houses.

> > > > >

> > > > > In the lady's chart, though Mars is well-placed as lord of

> > poorva

> > > > > punya in Swa-kshetra, the presence of Mercury who is

3rd/12th

> > > lord

> > > > > and dispositor of Rahu/Gulika/Mandi in the 5th, and the

> > > affliction

> > > > > to jala-tattwa planet Venus by two fiery planets Mars and

> Sun,

> > > and

> > > > > the affliction to natural lord of intellect Budha by the

same

> > > fiery

> > > > > planets in the house of intellect, along with a Sasa yoga

> > caused

> > > by

> > > > > malefic Saturn on the Kalathra-Bhava show the poorva-paap.

> Rahu

> > > has

> > > > > helped in unfolding this poorva-paap.

> > > > >

> > > > > Rahu plays a key-role in giving materialistic fruits and

> helps

> > to

> > > > > grow ahamkara/moha and Vanity. Where Rahu is placed in the

> > house

> > > of

> > > > > loss, this causes a deficiency that can manifest as delay

in

> > > > > fructification of the fruits of one's efforts. This is what

a

> > > stand-

> > > > > alone Rahu is capable of producing and *nothing more*.

Where

> a

> > > > > native's chart has collective good karma, along a different

> > view,

> > > > > Rahu as in 12th house causing delays and obstacles is

> conducive

> > > to

> > > > > breaking lethargy and tamo-guna to work harder which is

good

> > for

> > > > the

> > > > > native in the long-run.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is my view and I do not differ wee-bit from my earlier

> > > stand.

> > > > > Though I'm not versed in Jyotish formally, my instincts

tell

> me

> > > > this

> > > > > is the right answer.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Jayashree

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "monmuk111"

> > > > <monmuk111>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Hello Jayashree:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I remember you have Rahu in 12th and couple of years back

> you

> > > had

> > > > > > told me that your life events/experience doesn't fit the

> > dictum

> > > > > about

> > > > > > Rahu in 12th. You may be an exception; however, in a few

> > cases

> > > > > I've

> > > > > > seen, this dictum doesn't fail.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I've seen Rahu in 12th causing bondage of some sort--

> > difficult

> > > to

> > > > > > predict, but could be in form of hospitalization or

actual

> > > > > > imprisonment or bondage like situation.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I've seen Rahu in 12th causing the native to earn a lot

of

> > > money,

> > > > > > usually through illegal or underhanded activities, for

> which

> > > the

> > > > > > native usually gets caught and punished or maligned.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I've seen Rahu in 12th causing the person to ignore

> societal

> > > > norms

> > > > > in

> > > > > > ones behavior. Sexual excesses and adultry are a form of

> > breach

> > > > of

> > > > > > societal norms.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now, I know you haven't experienced/behaved in any of

the

> > > above

> > > > > > situation with your 12th house Rahu, but in my little

> > > experience,

> > > > > > I've seen this dictum does come true and that's what I've

> > said

> > > > > here.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What I've said isn't the universal truth. There are

> > exceptions

> > > > and

> > > > > > there are exceptions to the exceptions. What I've noted

is

> a

> > > > > > generality.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You're still very young, lot of life is yet to be

> > experienced.

> > > > > Let's

> > > > > > hope it doesn't come true in your case as you're such a

> nice

> > > > > person.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mukund

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, "Jayashree"

> > > > > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote:

> > > > > > > Mukundji & list,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It may not be the best interest of a Jyotishi to apply

> any

> > > > > dictum

> > > > > > > blindfold. It was during my Rahu's bhukti I found

secure

> re-

> > > > > > > employment and realization of a long-term wish to have

a

> > > second

> > > > > > > child, giving the direction to a seeming disarray of

> things

> > > for

> > > > > a 3

> > > > > > > yr period. Only caveat which 'may' fit with your list

is

> > that

> > > I

> > > > > > > suffered for a 5 month period with severe shoulder pain

> > (Jan -

> > >

> > > > > > > May '04) that the doctor called as 'Muscular spasm' and

I

> > was

> > > > > > banned

> > > > > > > from taking medicines too since I had conceived my

child.

> > But

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > miraculously disappeared with no treatment in mid-May,

so

> > the

> > > > > > doctor

> > > > > > > reversed the plate as 'no spasm'. This too, I bet, is

> more

> > of

> > > > > > > transit results as Meena Rasi has been in a kind

> > of 'Grahana'

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > sometime now with Rahu in 2nd, Ketu in 8, Jupiter (till

> > > > > recently)

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > 6, Sani in Ardhashtaka. I *never* faced any other bad-

> stuff

> > > > > listed

> > > > > > > due to 12th house Rahu, but I can say I have a tendency

> to

> > > > blame

> > > > > > > myself for no mistake on my part and feel unnecessarily

> > > guilty

> > > > > > > sometimes.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jayashree

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology, "monmuk111"

> > > > > > <monmuk111>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > Hello Debbie:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks for being bold and truthful and sharing the

> > > additional

> > > > > > > > information, it helps the Jyotish greatly.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now, here is a prediction I had done for you on the

> > > Jagannath

> > > > > > > board

> > > > > > > > when I didn't know ANYTHING about your personal life

> and

> > I

> > > > > just

> > > > > > > noted

> > > > > > > > that some of the things I had told you were true--

here

> is

> > > an

> > > > > > > excerpt

> > > > > > > > from my reading:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

___________________

> > > > > > > _

> > > > > > > > "Hello Deborah:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You've not entered a new dasa, but a new antardasa in

> the

> > > > maha

> > > > > > > (main)

> > > > > > > > dasa of Mars.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Your Rahu is placed in the 12th house from Lagna so

it

> is

> > > > > > expected

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > give you problems. Rahu in 12th USUSALLY gives health

> > > > problems

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > related confinement, litigation and related

punishment,

> > > sexual

> > > > > > > > excesses and related results like unwanted

pregnancies,

> > > STD,

> > > > > etc."

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

___________________

> > > > > > > _

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You've told us about your extra-marital affair which

I

> > had

> > > > > > > predicted

> > > > > > > > that are the results of 12th house Rahu. You also

told

> us

> > > > > > > > about "unwanted" pregnancies that I had predicted

which

> > > also

> > > > > are

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > result indifference to societal norms, which in turn

> are

> > a

> > > > > result

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > 12th house Rahu.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The saving grace is Rahu's placement in a favorable

> rashi

> > > in

> > > > > > > Gemini.

> > > > > > > > Rahu's 12th house placement let you astray and Rahu's

> > > > > benefical

> > > > > > > > placement in Gemini brough a sense of self-awareness

in

> > you

> > > > > which

> > > > > > > > will lead to self-improvement. Had the 12th house

Rahu

> > > placed

> > > > > in

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > rashi bad for Rahu such as Saggitarius or Pices, it

> would

> > > > have

> > > > > > > ruined

> > > > > > > > your life.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > See, the old sages knew what they were talking about

> when

> > > > they

> > > > > > > wrote

> > > > > > > > up all these dictums.--They do come true.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Well, this gives me a small shot of confidence in my

> > > > > predicting

> > > > > > > > ability.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now, the issue at hand is for the GURUS to come up

with

> a

> > > > > remedy

> > > > > > > > that'll bring some peace in your life. Let's hope

some

> > > GURUS

> > > > > take

> > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > the challenge.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mukund

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vedic-

astrology, "the_lighted1"

> > > > > > > <m18deb@a...>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Hello,

> > > > > > > > > I just wanted to include some relevant information

in

> > > > regard

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > chart that may be useful. I thought that I posted

> > > earlier

> > > > > but

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > guess that I did it wrong because I don't see it.

I

> > > thank

> > > > > > > everyone

> > > > > > > > > for their insight and am using it to understand my

> > chart

> > > > > > > better,

> > > > > > > > > Thanks again.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I was married the first time on December 20th, 1981

> the

> > > > same

> > > > > > > year

> > > > > > > > > that I graduated from high school and had a son on

> June

> > > > 8th,

> > > > > > > 1982.

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > separated from my husband in May of 1983 and was

> having

> > > an

> > > > > > extra

> > > > > > > > > marital affair and my husband whom I had filed for

> > > divorce

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > was in a different relationship himself killed

> himself

> > by

> > > > > > > shooting

> > > > > > > > > himself in the head with a rifle in the back yard

of

> > his

> > > > > > > mother's

> > > > > > > > > home on April 25, 1984

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > My second marriage was May 17th, 1989. I had a son

> by

> > > him

> > > > > > prior

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > the marriage on August 30th 1987 and another son

> after

> > we

> > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > married on September 6th, 1989. That husband was a

> > > severe

> > > > > > > > alcoholic

> > > > > > > > > who was very abusive and I separated from him less

> than

> > a

> > > > > year

> > > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > we were married but never filed for a divorce. The

> day

> > I

> > > > > > kicked

> > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > out was January 20th 1990 and he died of the

delirium

> > > > > tremens

> > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > are the DT's caused by withdraw from alcohol on

> October

> > > 14,

> > > > > > > 1992.

> > > > > > > > > That was the day before his 34th birthday.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Other things that may be of interest are that my

two

> > > > > youngest

> > > > > > > sons

> > > > > > > > > have been raised by my mother and father since July

> of

> > > > > 1992.

> > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > was voluntarily at first when I was financially not

> > able

> > > to

> > > > > do

> > > > > > > so,

> > > > > > > > > but as time went by my mother did what she could to

> > > prevent

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > sons

> > > > > > > > > from living with me and discouraged them to do so.

I

> do

> > > see

> > > > > > them

> > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > of the time but my mother I feel betrayed me in not

> > > > > encouraging

> > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > sons to want to live with me and we have had a very

> > > > strained

> > > > > > > > > relationship.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > thanks again,

> > > > > > > > > Debbie

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology,

> Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > <boxdel>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh,

> > > > > > > > > > Saturn becomes Shubha being in own house and

> attracts

> > > > > > > > Kendradhipati

> > > > > > > > > > dosha, thus giving some bad results related to

> one's

> > > > Lagna

> > > > > if

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > 7th.

> > > > > > > > > > Being 8th Lord in 7th he is also capable of

harming

> > the

> > > > > > > > indications

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > 7th house. These two are separate issues and need

> to

> > be

> > > > > > viewed

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > such.

> > > > > > > > > > I would say the problems in marriage could arise

> out

> > > of

> > > > > > > either

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > being able to communicate with spouse or due to a

> > > > somewhat

> > > > > > > > negative

> > > > > > > > > view

> > > > > > > > > > of looking at things and suspicious nature.

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Ramesh Gangaramani wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your comments and for pointing

out

> > that

> > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > 8L

> > > > > > > > > > > too. I want to understand the earlier comment

of

> > > yours.

> > > > > > Does

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > imply

> > > > > > > > > > > that Saturn in this case will not be shubha

> though

> > > > > placed

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > own

> > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > or because it is placed in own house? Will the

> > dictum

> > > > > > > > of 'Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > protects the house in which it is placed' get

> > diluted

> > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > own house?

> > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards

> > > > > > > > > > > Ramesh

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ** Chandrashekhar [boxdel]

> > > > > > > > > > > *Sent:* Sunday, September 12, 2004 12:30 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > *To:* Ramesh Gangaramani

> > > > > > > > > > > *Cc:* vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > *Subject:* Re: [vedic astrology] I have

been

> > > > widowed

> > > > > > > twice

> > > > > > > > > and am

> > > > > > > > > > > wondering if I will have another chance

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Debbie/Ramesh,

> > > > > > > > > > > I would think Debbie might marry again

around

> > > April

> > > > > > 2005

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > marriage is likely to be more fortunate.

The

> > > person

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > mature in age than Debbie, is what I think.

> > > > > > > > > > > By the way Ramesh, Malefic owning a Kendra

is

> > > > Shubha

> > > > > if

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > occupying that Kendra, Saturn is in Kendra

> in

> > > own

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > 8th lord too.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Ramesh Gangaramani wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >> Satyam Bruyat Priyam Buryat

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >> Debbie,

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >> I am sorry to hear about the tragedies in

> your

> > > > > life. I

> > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > >> initiating a discussion based on my

initial

> > > > > > > observations.

> > > > > > > > > > >> In case of females 8H signifies magalaya =

> > > marital

> > > > > > bond,

> > > > > > > > > > >> subhagya, vaidhavya = widowhood. In D1, 8H

> is

> > > > > aspected

> > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > >> and Rahu. In D9 the 8H has Saturn placed

in

> it

> > > and

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > aspected by

> > > > > > > > > > >> Mars, Venus and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >> This is what Kalyan Verma has to say "KV:

> > > Malefic

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > >> cause widowhood. This will occur in the

Dasa

> > > > > periods

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > Lord

> > > > > > > > > > >> of the Navamsa occupied by the 8th Lord."

> Your

> > > 8L

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > Saturn,

> > > > > > > > > > >> placed in 8H in D9 in Leo rashi. Lord is

> Sun.

> > > 2nd

> > > > > > > tragedy

> > > > > > > > > > >> occurred in Sun-Ven-Ven dasa. (Please read

> > > > > functional

> > > > > > > > > > >> characteristics of Venus below.)

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >> The first case happened in Venus dasa

which

> is

> > a

> > > > > > > functional

> > > > > > > > > > >> malefic (kendradhipati dosha and also 11L)

> for

> > > > > Cancer

> > > > > > > > Lagna.

> > > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > >> happens to be the lord of 2nd house from

UL

> > and

> > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > maraka

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > >> 1st spouse. AD was that of Mercury which

is

> > also

> > > a

> > > > > > > > functional

> > > > > > > > > > >> malefic (dusthana lord and trisadipati-

12L

> > and

> > > > 3L).

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >> UL is placed 12th from AL in D1. This

> actually

> > > > > > indicates

> > > > > > > > > > >> 'rejection of spouse'. I am not sure what

> > would

> > > it

> > > > > > mean

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > >> case. Also this applies to the 1st spouse.

> 2nd

> > > > from

> > > > > UL

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > >> aspected by Sun, Mars, Mercury and Venus.

It

> > has

> > > > > rashi

> > > > > > > > > drishti of

> > > > > > > > > > >> Saturn. I am not sure if this would

indicate

> > > > > premature

> > > > > > > > death

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > >> the spouse.

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >> 2nd spouse/partner is seen from 8th from

UL

> > > which

> > > > > > falls

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > >> Scorpio. 2nd from that has Moon and Ketu

> > > aspected

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > Lord

> > > > > > > > > > >> of this house Jupiter however is strong

and

> > > should

> > > > > > > protect

> > > > > > > > > the UL!

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >> In both cases ULL Mars in own house is a

> > > favorable

> > > > > > > factor

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > >> should have given longevity to them! Other

> > > factor

> > > > > is

> > > > > > 7L

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > D1

> > > > > > > > > > >> being in own house. Saturn usually

protects

> > the

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > which it

> > > > > > > > > > >> is placed especially so in this case

because

> > it

> > > is

> > > > > its

> > > > > > > own

> > > > > > > > > house!

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >> Though 8H affliction of D1 may indicate

> > > widowhood,

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > >> positive factors too. I would therefore

like

> > to

> > > > > hear

> > > > > > > views

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > >> knowledgeable members . I have attached

your

> > > chart

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > JHL

> > > > > > > > > format

> > > > > > > > > > >> for the sake of convenience. I hope the

> birth

> > > > > details

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > >> correct. Just one question please, were

both

> > > > > spouses

> > > > > > > > Martian

> > > > > > > > > > >> personalities? I am sure you know that UL

> > would

> > > > > > > indicate a

> > > > > > > > > > >> partner regardless of formal marriage! In

> > other

> > > > > words

> > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > >> were other stable relationships (lasting

> over

> > a

> > > > > year

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > so)

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > >> working would change.

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >> Before I close I must mention that 3rd

> > marriage

> > > is

> > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > 9H

> > > > > > > > > > >> which in your case has Jupiter in own

house!

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >> Regards

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >> Ramesh

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >> the_lighted1 [m18deb@a...]

> > > > > > > > > > >> Friday, September 10, 2004 3:49 AM

> > > > > > > > > > >> vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > > >> [vedic astrology] I have been

> widowed

> > > > > twice

> > > > > > > and am

> > > > > > > > > > >> wondering if

> > > > > > > > > > >> I will have another chance

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Hello respected Guru's and learned

> students,

> > > > > > > > > > >> > I was wondering if you see from my own

> chart

> > a

> > > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > >> future for me. I have been plagued by

> > > unfortunate

> > > > > > > > > circumstance in my

> > > > > > > > > > >> > previous 2 marriages in which I was

> widowed

> > in

> > > > > both

> > > > > > > > > instances all

> > > > > > > > > > >> > before the age of 30. The first time was

> in

> > > > April

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > 1985

> > > > > > > > > and the

> > > > > > > > > > >> > second time was October 1992. I am

> including

> > > my

> > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > details,

> > > > > > > > > > >> > please let me know if you need

additional

> > > > > > > information. I

> > > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > >> > currently studying on my own until I

feel

> > > > > educated

> > > > > > > > enough

> > > > > > > > > to join

> > > > > > > > > > >> the ranks as an official student. I would

> like

> > > to

> > > > > see

> > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > exactly in

> > > > > > > > > > >> my chart determines this and if this is

> going

> > to

> > > > > > happen

> > > > > > > > > again or will

> > > > > > > > > > >> I not have another marriage etc.. Thank

you

> > for

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > > insight.

> > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Warm Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Debbie Munger

> > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Debbie Munger

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Nov 18, 1963 10:33 PM +08:00 PST

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Sacramento, CA:USA Longitude: 121W30

> > Latitude:

> > > > > 38N35

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:21 Current Period:

> > > MA/RA/RA

> > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord

> > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > ================================================

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Asc 21:57 Can Aslesha Me

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Sun 02:50 Sco +01:00:34 WK Vishakha Ju

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Moon 05:14 Sag +11:55:04 WK Mula Ke

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Mars 24:33 Sco +00:44:34 ST Jyeshtha Me

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Merc 11:00 Sco +01:32:47 CM Anuradha Sa

> > > > > > > > > > >> > JuptR 16:38 Pis -00:03:18 FM U.Bhadra Sa

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ven 23:44 Sco +01:14:46 WK Jyeshtha Me

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Sat 23:47 Cap +00:02:51 FM Dhanishtha Ma

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Rahu 18:32 Gem -00:02:11 FM Ardra Ra

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ketu 18:32 Sag -00:02:11 FM P.Shadya Ve

> > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > > > >> > True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet

Time:

> > 315

> > > > > beats

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Day: Monday Sunrise: 6:52 AM

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Tithi: Shukla Tritiya

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Yoga Pt: 11:24 Li Yogi:Ra AviYogi:Ve Dup

> > Yogi:

> > > Ve

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Dagha Rashis: Leo Cap

> > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Rashi Chart

> > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > *******************************************************

> > > > > > > > > > >> > ** 5 * * 3 **

> > > > > > > > > > >> > *6 * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * RA 18:32* *

> > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > >> > * * 4 AS 21:57 * 2 *

> > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

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> > > > > > > > > > >> > *8 * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > >> > *SU 02:50* * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > >> > *ME 11:00 * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > >> > *VE 23:44 * 10 SA 23:47 * 12 JUR16:38*

> > > > > > > > > > >> > *MA 24:33 * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > >> > * MO 05:14* * * *

> > > > > > > > > > >> > * * KE 18:32 * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > >> > ** 9 * * 11 **

> > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > *******************************************************

> > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Navamsha

> > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > *******************************************************

> > > > > > > > > > >> > ** 11 * * 9 **

> > > > > > > > > > >> > *12* * * * *

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> > > > > > > > > > >> > * * MA * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > >> > * VE * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > >> > *RA * 10 AS * 8 JUR *

> > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

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> > > > > > > > > > >> > *1 * 7 ME *

> > > > > > > > > > >> > ** * * **

> > > > > > > > > > >> > *2 * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > >> > *MO * 4 SU * 6 KE *

> > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * SA * *

> > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > >> > ** 3 * * 5 **

> > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > *******************************************************

> > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Khavedamsha

> > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > *******************************************************

> > > > > > > > > > >> > ** 1 * * 11 **

> > > > > > > > > > >> > *2 * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > >> > * * RA * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > >> > * KE * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > >> > *VE * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > >> > *SA * 12 AS * 10 SU *

> > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > >> > ** * * **

> > > > > > > > > > >> > *3 MA * 9 ME *

> > > > > > > > > > >> > ** * * **

> > > > > > > > > > >> > *4 * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > >> > * * 6 * 8 *

> > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > >> > * * JUR * * MO * *

> > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > >> > ** 5 * * 7 **

> > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > *******************************************************

> > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis

> > > > > > > > > > >> > ========================

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ke/Ma 8/22/1963

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ke/Ra 1/18/1964

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ke/Ju 2/5/1965

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ke/Sa 1/12/1966

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ke/Me 2/21/1967

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Ve 2/18/1968

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Su 6/19/1971

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Mo 6/19/1972

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Ma 2/17/1974

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Ra 4/19/1975

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Ju 4/19/1978

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Sa 12/18/1980

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Me 2/18/1984

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Ke 12/19/1986

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Su 2/18/1988

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Mo 6/6/1988

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Ma 12/6/1988

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Ra 4/13/1989

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Ju 3/8/1990

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Sa 12/25/1990

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Me 12/7/1991

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Ke 10/12/1992

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Ve 2/17/1993

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Mo 2/17/1994

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Ma 12/19/1994

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Ra 7/20/1995

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Ju 1/18/1997

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Sa 5/20/1998

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Me 12/19/1999

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Ke 5/19/2001

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Ve 12/18/2001

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Su 8/19/2003

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Ma 2/18/2004

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Ra 7/16/2004

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Ju 8/3/2005

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Sa 7/10/2006

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Me 8/19/2007

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Ke 8/15/2008

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Ve 1/11/2009

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Su 3/14/2010

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Mo 7/19/2010

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Ra 2/18/2011

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Ju 10/31/2013

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Sa 3/25/2016

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Me 1/30/2019

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Ke 8/19/2021

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Ve 9/6/2022

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Su 9/6/2025

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Mo 8/1/2026

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Ma 1/30/2028

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Ju 2/17/2029

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Sa 4/7/2031

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Me 10/19/2033

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Ke 1/24/2036

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Ve 12/30/2036

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Su 8/31/2039

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Mo 6/19/2040

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Ma 10/19/2041

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Ra 9/24/2042

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Sa 2/17/2045

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Me 2/21/2048

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Ke 10/31/2050

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Ve 12/10/2051

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Su 2/8/2055

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Mo 1/21/2056

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Ma 8/22/2057

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Ra 9/30/2058

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Ju 8/6/2061

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Me/Me 2/18/2064

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Me/Ke 7/16/2066

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Me/Ve 7/14/2067

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Me/Su 5/13/2070

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Me/Mo 3/20/2071

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Me/Ma 8/18/2072

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Me/Ra 8/16/2073

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Me/Ju 3/4/2076

> > > > > > > > > > >> > Me/Sa 6/10/2078

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September 27, 2004

Dear Jayashree,

I am sorry that you feel that it is necessary to withdraw from this

forum as I am certian that it can provide much more for you, being

self taught and such. It appears that although our chart has

similarities that you feel that it somehow reflects on you since I

have made mistakes in my life. It is great that you had the insight

and moral breadth that I did not at the time, that just means that

you have different lessons to learn this time around as you know we

all have something to learn or we would not be here. Please do not

reject this forum as it can provide you far more than this. I do not

think that you are better than me, you just had a different set of

circumstances and we are all here to learn and hopefully enlighten.

Best of luck to you and I hope that you do not leave the forum on

account of this thread, that was never my intent when I posted, so

please reconsider.

Warm Regards,

Debbie

vedic astrology, "Jayashree"

<Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote:

> Vishwanatham ji,

>

> I'm sorry for a very delayed response. I guess the suggestion to

> check the sashtyamsa was hinted at me. I have to admit I'm no

> jyotishi but a (self-taught) learner, the reason I keep quiet

without

> participating much most of the time.It just so happened that in

this

> thread, having been a person of lofty ideals and strong

moral/ethical

> values all through my life, there was sudden insurgency of a strong

> impulse to speak up against what I felt was wrong/incorrect,

atleast

> in my case. Since every time I speak up, I immediately run into a

> mentally drained/exhausted and introspective state of analyzing the

> pros and cons of speaking up thus. I think "not to speak up" is

> ultimately the right thing to do afterall, and because of this

> reason, I have decided not even to visit this forum for a long

while

> to come. For example, I have seen O'Reilly shows where he has

> commented negatively on the atmosphere at India, and Hinduism

> adversely for so many times. While each time I do feel the same

> impulse to speak up against it, I ultimately keep quiet since I

> cannot do anything. I once sent a long write-up protesting against

a

> column in Boston Globe Sunday article against Engineers from India,

> but that never showed up anywhere for some reason :-(. Well, I

guess

> that's me and its time to change afterall.

>

> I apologize for this non-astrological message.

>

> Thanks

>

> Jayashree

>

> vedic astrology, "vishwanatham"

> <vishwanatham@r...> wrote:

> > Hare Rama Krishna

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > Please have a look at the shashtiamsa of the planet to see what

> kind

> > of karma the planet is carrying from the past life. That requires

> > some amount of BT accuracy. So we need to pause....

> >

> > Hope this helps.

> >

> > regards

> > viswanadham

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Jayashree"

> > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote:

> > > Mukundji,

> > >

> > > I wasn't trying to prove anything. I was rather trying

> > to "disprove"

> > > what your statement "tried to prove" w.r.t Rahu's placement in

> 12th

> > > house for the entire populace that comes under its umbrella.

And

> I

> > am

> > > justified in having proven my salt's worth for whatever this

holy

> > > planet has blessed me with, for being a happy self.

> > >

> > > Allowing myself a little liberty(!) so to speak, I guess

> > > reciting "Manthra-Raja Pada Stothram" should greatly benefit

you,

> > > since Rahu casts 2nd argala (I don't know if this is obstructed

> or

> > > unobstructed) being placed in Mars' house and also Mars aspects

> > your

> > > Sani. This stothram is considered the "King of all stothrams".

> > >

> > > Bye now.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > >

> > > Jayashree

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "monmuk111"

> > <monmuk111>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Hello Jayashree:

> > > >

> > > > I've read the notes you've posted attempting to prove

> that "Rahu

> > is

> > > > 12th" doesn't always cause bondage, sexual immorality and

> > illegaly

> > > > obtained wealth.

> > > >

> > > > Yes, I agree the the "Rahu in 12th" results are greatly

> modified

> > by

> > > > the placement in a good rashi, i.e. Gemini, Virgo, Taurus and

> > > Aries.

> > > > I also agree that the nature of "Rahu in 12th" is somewhat

> > modified

> > > > by its placement in a good nakshatra (Jupiter ruled

nakshatras).

> > > >

> > > > Firstly, "Planet in house" dictum never fails.

Secondly "Planet

> > in

> > > > Rashi" dictum never fails. These two are enough for a broad-

> brush

> > > > prediction. Thereafter, one can apply all the high-level

mumbo-

> > > jumbo

> > > > WHICH usually fails.

> > > >

> > > > The only high-level mumbo-jumbo that I've seen give

consistent

> > > > results is Sanjay Rath's notes about predicting nature of

> spouse

> > > and

> > > > the quaility of marriage based on Upapada Lagna and

> > planets/rashis

> > > in

> > > > 2nd and 12th from Upapada.

> > > >

> > > > See, in the case of Paul Macartney, he DID have to go

> > > > through "bondage" like situation as his wife was frequently

> > > > hospitalized and he had to care for her. -- See, Rahu in 12th

> > > dictum

> > > > didn't fail.

> > > >

> > > > Swami Vivekanada's chart confuses me. I know a woman with

Rahu

> in

> > > > 12th in Scorpio, this woman has the worst character in the

> world--

> > > she

> > > > sells herself, lies, steals, does everthing that the society

> > frowns

> > > > upon as long as her actions benefit her--she also has Sun in

> > > > Mooltrikona in 9th house, but this great placement seems to

> have

> > > been

> > > > compeltely eclipsed by debilitated Rahu in 6th.

> > > >

> > > > Now, don't worry about your Rahu too much--it is well-

> disposited

> > by

> > > > the Lagna lord who again is well placed. Well, in your case,

> > > Jupiter

> > > > is in a friendly rashi in the throne who becomes a good

> > protector.

> > > >

> > > > I have Saturn in 5th in the enemy Rashi of Pisces and

evertime

> I

> > go

> > > > through Saturn Anatara-pratyantara, my life turns upside down-

-

> > see,

> > > > the dictum about bad effects of Shani in 5th doesn't fail

here.

> > > >

> > > > Mukund

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "Jayashree"

> > > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote:

> > > > > Mukundji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Consider the chart of Swami Vivekananda. His chart comes

with

> > JHL

> > > > > 6.0. He has debilitated Rahu in Scorpio in 12th house. His

> > > Sanyasa

> > > > > Marga does not need my re-introduction.

> > > > >

> > > > > Also, based on the info provided by another member,

consider

> > the

> > > > > chart of Paul McCartney. His chart has Rahu with Gulika in

12

> > in

> > > > Leo.

> > > > > As I read his life history yesterday, I came to know his

wife

> > > > fought

> > > > > and eventually was given away to Breast Cancer. This I

would

> > > > > attribute to being indicated by Jup, McCartney's 4/7th lord

> > > > acquiring

> > > > > Kendradipathi dosha placed in 10th house and in A7

conjoining

> > > Sun,

> > > > > the dispositor of Rahu with Gulika in 12th house.

> Nevertheless,

> > > it

> > > > > goes without further saying that his wife hasn't

> > > afterall "suffered

> > > > > hospitalization along with extra-marital affairs along with

> > > earning

> > > > > money through unfair means".

> > > > >

> > > > > In my own chart : Oct 31 1971, 2:32 PM, Madras, Rahu is co-

> lord

> > > of

> > > > > Aquarius lagna, placed in another of Sani's houses thereby

> > > strongly

> > > > > signifying Sanidev, and placed in 6th lord (waxing) Moon's

> star

> > > in

> > > > 2,

> > > > > having healthy trinal relationship with dispositor and

> lagnesh

> > > Sani

> > > > > where Sani is also placed in a friendly sign in a kendra.

> Also

> > to

> > > > be

> > > > > noted that Rahu is devoid of any further malefic aspects or

> > > > > associations such as Gulika or Mandi.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Jayashree

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "Jayashree"

> > > > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote:

> > > > > > Mukundji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I don't agree with you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It may be a different question whether someone ascends

> > > > spiritually

> > > > > > in a birth or not. However, sinful activities such as

> murder,

> > > > > > adultery, cruelty to children/animals/others are the

> > resultant

> > > > > > of 'poorva paap'. While Rahu will assist in unfolding the

> > > sinful

> > > > > > deeds or poorva paap, Rahu is nevertheless 'not' the

> > indicator

> > > of

> > > > > > accumulated sins. Infact, no single planet can be. It

> should

> > > > rather

> > > > > > be indicated by the affliction to certain key-houses.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In the lady's chart, though Mars is well-placed as lord

of

> > > poorva

> > > > > > punya in Swa-kshetra, the presence of Mercury who is

> 3rd/12th

> > > > lord

> > > > > > and dispositor of Rahu/Gulika/Mandi in the 5th, and the

> > > > affliction

> > > > > > to jala-tattwa planet Venus by two fiery planets Mars and

> > Sun,

> > > > and

> > > > > > the affliction to natural lord of intellect Budha by the

> same

> > > > fiery

> > > > > > planets in the house of intellect, along with a Sasa yoga

> > > caused

> > > > by

> > > > > > malefic Saturn on the Kalathra-Bhava show the poorva-

paap.

> > Rahu

> > > > has

> > > > > > helped in unfolding this poorva-paap.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rahu plays a key-role in giving materialistic fruits and

> > helps

> > > to

> > > > > > grow ahamkara/moha and Vanity. Where Rahu is placed in

the

> > > house

> > > > of

> > > > > > loss, this causes a deficiency that can manifest as delay

> in

> > > > > > fructification of the fruits of one's efforts. This is

what

> a

> > > > stand-

> > > > > > alone Rahu is capable of producing and *nothing more*.

> Where

> > a

> > > > > > native's chart has collective good karma, along a

different

> > > view,

> > > > > > Rahu as in 12th house causing delays and obstacles is

> > conducive

> > > > to

> > > > > > breaking lethargy and tamo-guna to work harder which is

> good

> > > for

> > > > > the

> > > > > > native in the long-run.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is my view and I do not differ wee-bit from my

earlier

> > > > stand.

> > > > > > Though I'm not versed in Jyotish formally, my instincts

> tell

> > me

> > > > > this

> > > > > > is the right answer.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jayashree

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, "monmuk111"

> > > > > <monmuk111>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > Hello Jayashree:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I remember you have Rahu in 12th and couple of years

back

> > you

> > > > had

> > > > > > > told me that your life events/experience doesn't fit

the

> > > dictum

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > Rahu in 12th. You may be an exception; however, in a

few

> > > cases

> > > > > > I've

> > > > > > > seen, this dictum doesn't fail.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I've seen Rahu in 12th causing bondage of some sort--

> > > difficult

> > > > to

> > > > > > > predict, but could be in form of hospitalization or

> actual

> > > > > > > imprisonment or bondage like situation.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I've seen Rahu in 12th causing the native to earn a lot

> of

> > > > money,

> > > > > > > usually through illegal or underhanded activities, for

> > which

> > > > the

> > > > > > > native usually gets caught and punished or maligned.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I've seen Rahu in 12th causing the person to ignore

> > societal

> > > > > norms

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > ones behavior. Sexual excesses and adultry are a form

of

> > > breach

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > societal norms.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now, I know you haven't experienced/behaved in any of

> the

> > > > above

> > > > > > > situation with your 12th house Rahu, but in my little

> > > > experience,

> > > > > > > I've seen this dictum does come true and that's what

I've

> > > said

> > > > > > here.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What I've said isn't the universal truth. There are

> > > exceptions

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > there are exceptions to the exceptions. What I've noted

> is

> > a

> > > > > > > generality.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You're still very young, lot of life is yet to be

> > > experienced.

> > > > > > Let's

> > > > > > > hope it doesn't come true in your case as you're such a

> > nice

> > > > > > person.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mukund

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Jayashree"

> > > > > > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Mukundji & list,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It may not be the best interest of a Jyotishi to

apply

> > any

> > > > > > dictum

> > > > > > > > blindfold. It was during my Rahu's bhukti I found

> secure

> > re-

> > > > > > > > employment and realization of a long-term wish to

have

> a

> > > > second

> > > > > > > > child, giving the direction to a seeming disarray of

> > things

> > > > for

> > > > > > a 3

> > > > > > > > yr period. Only caveat which 'may' fit with your list

> is

> > > that

> > > > I

> > > > > > > > suffered for a 5 month period with severe shoulder

pain

> > > (Jan -

> > > >

> > > > > > > > May '04) that the doctor called as 'Muscular spasm'

and

> I

> > > was

> > > > > > > banned

> > > > > > > > from taking medicines too since I had conceived my

> child.

> > > But

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > miraculously disappeared with no treatment in mid-

May,

> so

> > > the

> > > > > > > doctor

> > > > > > > > reversed the plate as 'no spasm'. This too, I bet, is

> > more

> > > of

> > > > > > > > transit results as Meena Rasi has been in a kind

> > > of 'Grahana'

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > sometime now with Rahu in 2nd, Ketu in 8, Jupiter

(till

> > > > > > recently)

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > 6, Sani in Ardhashtaka. I *never* faced any other bad-

> > stuff

> > > > > > listed

> > > > > > > > due to 12th house Rahu, but I can say I have a

tendency

> > to

> > > > > blame

> > > > > > > > myself for no mistake on my part and feel

unnecessarily

> > > > guilty

> > > > > > > > sometimes.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jayashree

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "monmuk111"

> > > > > > > <monmuk111>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Hello Debbie:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks for being bold and truthful and sharing the

> > > > additional

> > > > > > > > > information, it helps the Jyotish greatly.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Now, here is a prediction I had done for you on the

> > > > Jagannath

> > > > > > > > board

> > > > > > > > > when I didn't know ANYTHING about your personal

life

> > and

> > > I

> > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > noted

> > > > > > > > > that some of the things I had told you were true--

> here

> > is

> > > > an

> > > > > > > > excerpt

> > > > > > > > > from my reading:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

___________________

> > > > > > > > _

> > > > > > > > > "Hello Deborah:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You've not entered a new dasa, but a new antardasa

in

> > the

> > > > > maha

> > > > > > > > (main)

> > > > > > > > > dasa of Mars.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Your Rahu is placed in the 12th house from Lagna so

> it

> > is

> > > > > > > expected

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > give you problems. Rahu in 12th USUSALLY gives

health

> > > > > problems

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > related confinement, litigation and related

> punishment,

> > > > sexual

> > > > > > > > > excesses and related results like unwanted

> pregnancies,

> > > > STD,

> > > > > > etc."

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

___________________

> > > > > > > > _

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You've told us about your extra-marital affair

which

> I

> > > had

> > > > > > > > predicted

> > > > > > > > > that are the results of 12th house Rahu. You also

> told

> > us

> > > > > > > > > about "unwanted" pregnancies that I had predicted

> which

> > > > also

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > result indifference to societal norms, which in

turn

> > are

> > > a

> > > > > > result

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > 12th house Rahu.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The saving grace is Rahu's placement in a favorable

> > rashi

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > Gemini.

> > > > > > > > > Rahu's 12th house placement let you astray and

Rahu's

> > > > > > benefical

> > > > > > > > > placement in Gemini brough a sense of self-

awareness

> in

> > > you

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > will lead to self-improvement. Had the 12th house

> Rahu

> > > > placed

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > rashi bad for Rahu such as Saggitarius or Pices, it

> > would

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > > ruined

> > > > > > > > > your life.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > See, the old sages knew what they were talking

about

> > when

> > > > > they

> > > > > > > > wrote

> > > > > > > > > up all these dictums.--They do come true.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Well, this gives me a small shot of confidence in

my

> > > > > > predicting

> > > > > > > > > ability.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Now, the issue at hand is for the GURUS to come up

> with

> > a

> > > > > > remedy

> > > > > > > > > that'll bring some peace in your life. Let's hope

> some

> > > > GURUS

> > > > > > take

> > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > the challenge.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mukund

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vedic-

> astrology, "the_lighted1"

> > > > > > > > <m18deb@a...>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > Hello,

> > > > > > > > > > I just wanted to include some relevant

information

> in

> > > > > regard

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > chart that may be useful. I thought that I

posted

> > > > earlier

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > guess that I did it wrong because I don't see

it.

> I

> > > > thank

> > > > > > > > everyone

> > > > > > > > > > for their insight and am using it to understand

my

> > > chart

> > > > > > > > better,

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks again.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I was married the first time on December 20th,

1981

> > the

> > > > > same

> > > > > > > > year

> > > > > > > > > > that I graduated from high school and had a son

on

> > June

> > > > > 8th,

> > > > > > > > 1982.

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > separated from my husband in May of 1983 and was

> > having

> > > > an

> > > > > > > extra

> > > > > > > > > > marital affair and my husband whom I had filed

for

> > > > divorce

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > was in a different relationship himself killed

> > himself

> > > by

> > > > > > > > shooting

> > > > > > > > > > himself in the head with a rifle in the back yard

> of

> > > his

> > > > > > > > mother's

> > > > > > > > > > home on April 25, 1984

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > My second marriage was May 17th, 1989. I had a

son

> > by

> > > > him

> > > > > > > prior

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > the marriage on August 30th 1987 and another son

> > after

> > > we

> > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > married on September 6th, 1989. That husband was

a

> > > > severe

> > > > > > > > > alcoholic

> > > > > > > > > > who was very abusive and I separated from him

less

> > than

> > > a

> > > > > > year

> > > > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > > we were married but never filed for a divorce.

The

> > day

> > > I

> > > > > > > kicked

> > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > out was January 20th 1990 and he died of the

> delirium

> > > > > > tremens

> > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > are the DT's caused by withdraw from alcohol on

> > October

> > > > 14,

> > > > > > > > 1992.

> > > > > > > > > > That was the day before his 34th birthday.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Other things that may be of interest are that my

> two

> > > > > > youngest

> > > > > > > > sons

> > > > > > > > > > have been raised by my mother and father since

July

> > of

> > > > > > 1992.

> > > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > > was voluntarily at first when I was financially

not

> > > able

> > > > to

> > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > so,

> > > > > > > > > > but as time went by my mother did what she could

to

> > > > prevent

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > sons

> > > > > > > > > > from living with me and discouraged them to do

so.

> I

> > do

> > > > see

> > > > > > > them

> > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > of the time but my mother I feel betrayed me in

not

> > > > > > encouraging

> > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > sons to want to live with me and we have had a

very

> > > > > strained

> > > > > > > > > > relationship.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > thanks again,

> > > > > > > > > > Debbie

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > <boxdel>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh,

> > > > > > > > > > > Saturn becomes Shubha being in own house and

> > attracts

> > > > > > > > > Kendradhipati

> > > > > > > > > > > dosha, thus giving some bad results related to

> > one's

> > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > 7th.

> > > > > > > > > > > Being 8th Lord in 7th he is also capable of

> harming

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > indications

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > 7th house. These two are separate issues and

need

> > to

> > > be

> > > > > > > viewed

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > such.

> > > > > > > > > > > I would say the problems in marriage could

arise

> > out

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > either

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > being able to communicate with spouse or due to

a

> > > > > somewhat

> > > > > > > > > negative

> > > > > > > > > > view

> > > > > > > > > > > of looking at things and suspicious nature.

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Ramesh Gangaramani wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your comments and for pointing

> out

> > > that

> > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > 8L

> > > > > > > > > > > > too. I want to understand the earlier comment

> of

> > > > yours.

> > > > > > > Does

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > imply

> > > > > > > > > > > > that Saturn in this case will not be shubha

> > though

> > > > > > placed

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > own

> > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > or because it is placed in own house? Will

the

> > > dictum

> > > > > > > > > of 'Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > protects the house in which it is placed' get

> > > diluted

> > > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > own house?

> > > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ramesh

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ** Chandrashekhar

[boxdel]

> > > > > > > > > > > > *Sent:* Sunday, September 12, 2004 12:30

AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > *To:* Ramesh Gangaramani

> > > > > > > > > > > > *Cc:* vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > > *Subject:* Re: [vedic astrology] I have

> been

> > > > > widowed

> > > > > > > > twice

> > > > > > > > > > and am

> > > > > > > > > > > > wondering if I will have another chance

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Debbie/Ramesh,

> > > > > > > > > > > > I would think Debbie might marry again

> around

> > > > April

> > > > > > > 2005

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > marriage is likely to be more fortunate.

> The

> > > > person

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > mature in age than Debbie, is what I

think.

> > > > > > > > > > > > By the way Ramesh, Malefic owning a

Kendra

> is

> > > > > Shubha

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > occupying that Kendra, Saturn is in

Kendra

> > in

> > > > own

> > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > 8th lord too.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ramesh Gangaramani wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >> Satyam Bruyat Priyam Buryat

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> Debbie,

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> I am sorry to hear about the tragedies

in

> > your

> > > > > > life. I

> > > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > > >> initiating a discussion based on my

> initial

> > > > > > > > observations.

> > > > > > > > > > > >> In case of females 8H signifies magalaya

=

> > > > marital

> > > > > > > bond,

> > > > > > > > > > > >> subhagya, vaidhavya = widowhood. In D1,

8H

> > is

> > > > > > aspected

> > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > >> and Rahu. In D9 the 8H has Saturn placed

> in

> > it

> > > > and

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > aspected by

> > > > > > > > > > > >> Mars, Venus and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> This is what Kalyan Verma has to

say "KV:

> > > > Malefic

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > >> cause widowhood. This will occur in the

> Dasa

> > > > > > periods

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > Lord

> > > > > > > > > > > >> of the Navamsa occupied by the 8th

Lord."

> > Your

> > > > 8L

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > Saturn,

> > > > > > > > > > > >> placed in 8H in D9 in Leo rashi. Lord is

> > Sun.

> > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > tragedy

> > > > > > > > > > > >> occurred in Sun-Ven-Ven dasa. (Please

read

> > > > > > functional

> > > > > > > > > > > >> characteristics of Venus below.)

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> The first case happened in Venus dasa

> which

> > is

> > > a

> > > > > > > > functional

> > > > > > > > > > > >> malefic (kendradhipati dosha and also

11L)

> > for

> > > > > > Cancer

> > > > > > > > > Lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > > >> happens to be the lord of 2nd house from

> UL

> > > and

> > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > maraka

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > >> 1st spouse. AD was that of Mercury which

> is

> > > also

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > > functional

> > > > > > > > > > > >> malefic (dusthana lord and trisadipati-

> 12L

> > > and

> > > > > 3L).

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> UL is placed 12th from AL in D1. This

> > actually

> > > > > > > indicates

> > > > > > > > > > > >> 'rejection of spouse'. I am not sure

what

> > > would

> > > > it

> > > > > > > mean

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > >> case. Also this applies to the 1st

spouse.

> > 2nd

> > > > > from

> > > > > > UL

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > >> aspected by Sun, Mars, Mercury and

Venus.

> It

> > > has

> > > > > > rashi

> > > > > > > > > > drishti of

> > > > > > > > > > > >> Saturn. I am not sure if this would

> indicate

> > > > > > premature

> > > > > > > > > death

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > >> the spouse.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> 2nd spouse/partner is seen from 8th from

> UL

> > > > which

> > > > > > > falls

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > >> Scorpio. 2nd from that has Moon and Ketu

> > > > aspected

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > Lord

> > > > > > > > > > > >> of this house Jupiter however is strong

> and

> > > > should

> > > > > > > > protect

> > > > > > > > > > the UL!

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> In both cases ULL Mars in own house is a

> > > > favorable

> > > > > > > > factor

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > >> should have given longevity to them!

Other

> > > > factor

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > 7L

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > D1

> > > > > > > > > > > >> being in own house. Saturn usually

> protects

> > > the

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > which it

> > > > > > > > > > > >> is placed especially so in this case

> because

> > > it

> > > > is

> > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > own

> > > > > > > > > > house!

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> Though 8H affliction of D1 may indicate

> > > > widowhood,

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > >> positive factors too. I would therefore

> like

> > > to

> > > > > > hear

> > > > > > > > views

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > >> knowledgeable members . I have attached

> your

> > > > chart

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > JHL

> > > > > > > > > > format

> > > > > > > > > > > >> for the sake of convenience. I hope the

> > birth

> > > > > > details

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > >> correct. Just one question please, were

> both

> > > > > > spouses

> > > > > > > > > Martian

> > > > > > > > > > > >> personalities? I am sure you know that

UL

> > > would

> > > > > > > > indicate a

> > > > > > > > > > > >> partner regardless of formal marriage!

In

> > > other

> > > > > > words

> > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > > >> were other stable relationships (lasting

> > over

> > > a

> > > > > > year

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > so)

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > >> working would change.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> Before I close I must mention that 3rd

> > > marriage

> > > > is

> > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > 9H

> > > > > > > > > > > >> which in your case has Jupiter in own

> house!

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> Ramesh

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> the_lighted1 [m18deb@a...]

> > > > > > > > > > > >> Friday, September 10, 2004 3:49 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > >> vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > >> [vedic astrology] I have been

> > widowed

> > > > > > twice

> > > > > > > > and am

> > > > > > > > > > > >> wondering if

> > > > > > > > > > > >> I will have another chance

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Hello respected Guru's and learned

> > students,

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > I was wondering if you see from my own

> > chart

> > > a

> > > > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > >> future for me. I have been plagued by

> > > > unfortunate

> > > > > > > > > > circumstance in my

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > previous 2 marriages in which I was

> > widowed

> > > in

> > > > > > both

> > > > > > > > > > instances all

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > before the age of 30. The first time

was

> > in

> > > > > April

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > 1985

> > > > > > > > > > and the

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > second time was October 1992. I am

> > including

> > > > my

> > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > details,

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > please let me know if you need

> additional

> > > > > > > > information. I

> > > > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > currently studying on my own until I

> feel

> > > > > > educated

> > > > > > > > > enough

> > > > > > > > > > to join

> > > > > > > > > > > >> the ranks as an official student. I

would

> > like

> > > > to

> > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > exactly in

> > > > > > > > > > > >> my chart determines this and if this is

> > going

> > > to

> > > > > > > happen

> > > > > > > > > > again or will

> > > > > > > > > > > >> I not have another marriage etc.. Thank

> you

> > > for

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > insight.

> > > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Warm Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Debbie Munger

> > > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Debbie Munger

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Nov 18, 1963 10:33 PM +08:00 PST

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sacramento, CA:USA Longitude: 121W30

> > > Latitude:

> > > > > > 38N35

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:21 Current

Period:

> > > > MA/RA/RA

> > > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord

> > > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > ================================================

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Asc 21:57 Can Aslesha Me

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sun 02:50 Sco +01:00:34 WK Vishakha Ju

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Moon 05:14 Sag +11:55:04 WK Mula Ke

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mars 24:33 Sco +00:44:34 ST Jyeshtha Me

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Merc 11:00 Sco +01:32:47 CM Anuradha Sa

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > JuptR 16:38 Pis -00:03:18 FM U.Bhadra

Sa

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ven 23:44 Sco +01:14:46 WK Jyeshtha Me

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sat 23:47 Cap +00:02:51 FM Dhanishtha

Ma

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Rahu 18:32 Gem -00:02:11 FM Ardra Ra

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ketu 18:32 Sag -00:02:11 FM P.Shadya Ve

> > > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet

> Time:

> > > 315

> > > > > > beats

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Day: Monday Sunrise: 6:52 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Tithi: Shukla Tritiya

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Yoga Pt: 11:24 Li Yogi:Ra AviYogi:Ve

Dup

> > > Yogi:

> > > > Ve

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Dagha Rashis: Leo Cap

> > > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Rashi Chart

> > > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** 5 * * 3 **

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > *6 * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * RA 18:32* *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * 4 AS 21:57 * 2 *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** * * **

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > *7 * 1 *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** * * **

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > *8 * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > *SU 02:50* * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > *ME 11:00 * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > *VE 23:44 * 10 SA 23:47 * 12 JUR16:38*

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > *MA 24:33 * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * MO 05:14* * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * KE 18:32 * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** 9 * * 11 **

> > > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > >

*******************************************************

> > > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Navamsha

> > > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** 11 * * 9 **

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > *12* * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * MA * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * VE * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > *RA * 10 AS * 8 JUR *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** * * **

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > *1 * 7 ME *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** * * **

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > *2 * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > *MO * 4 SU * 6 KE *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * SA * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** 3 * * 5 **

> > > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > >

*******************************************************

> > > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Khavedamsha

> > > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > >> > *2 * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * RA * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * KE * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > *VE * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > *SA * 12 AS * 10 SU *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

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September 28, 2004

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Jayashree,

You have always been nice to people on this group. i was only saying

what you had said, i.e., Rahu in 12th alone is not sufficient and as

always with any dictum is influenced by several other factors!

Can you post your birth details to see why you feel so.

Thanks for your mail.

regards

viswanadham

vedic astrology, "Jayashree"

<Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote:

> Vishwanatham ji,

>

> I'm sorry for a very delayed response. I guess the suggestion to

> check the sashtyamsa was hinted at me. I have to admit I'm no

> jyotishi but a (self-taught) learner, the reason I keep quiet

without

> participating much most of the time.It just so happened that in

this

> thread, having been a person of lofty ideals and strong

moral/ethical

> values all through my life, there was sudden insurgency of a strong

> impulse to speak up against what I felt was wrong/incorrect,

atleast

> in my case. Since every time I speak up, I immediately run into a

> mentally drained/exhausted and introspective state of analyzing the

> pros and cons of speaking up thus. I think "not to speak up" is

> ultimately the right thing to do afterall, and because of this

> reason, I have decided not even to visit this forum for a long

while

> to come. For example, I have seen O'Reilly shows where he has

> commented negatively on the atmosphere at India, and Hinduism

> adversely for so many times. While each time I do feel the same

> impulse to speak up against it, I ultimately keep quiet since I

> cannot do anything. I once sent a long write-up protesting against

a

> column in Boston Globe Sunday article against Engineers from India,

> but that never showed up anywhere for some reason :-(. Well, I

guess

> that's me and its time to change afterall.

>

> I apologize for this non-astrological message.

>

> Thanks

>

> Jayashree

>

> vedic astrology, "vishwanatham"

> <vishwanatham@r...> wrote:

> > Hare Rama Krishna

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > Please have a look at the shashtiamsa of the planet to see what

> kind

> > of karma the planet is carrying from the past life. That requires

> > some amount of BT accuracy. So we need to pause....

> >

> > Hope this helps.

> >

> > regards

> > viswanadham

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Jayashree"

> > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote:

> > > Mukundji,

> > >

> > > I wasn't trying to prove anything. I was rather trying

> > to "disprove"

> > > what your statement "tried to prove" w.r.t Rahu's placement in

> 12th

> > > house for the entire populace that comes under its umbrella.

And

> I

> > am

> > > justified in having proven my salt's worth for whatever this

holy

> > > planet has blessed me with, for being a happy self.

> > >

> > > Allowing myself a little liberty(!) so to speak, I guess

> > > reciting "Manthra-Raja Pada Stothram" should greatly benefit

you,

> > > since Rahu casts 2nd argala (I don't know if this is obstructed

> or

> > > unobstructed) being placed in Mars' house and also Mars aspects

> > your

> > > Sani. This stothram is considered the "King of all stothrams".

> > >

> > > Bye now.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > >

> > > Jayashree

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "monmuk111"

> > <monmuk111>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Hello Jayashree:

> > > >

> > > > I've read the notes you've posted attempting to prove

> that "Rahu

> > is

> > > > 12th" doesn't always cause bondage, sexual immorality and

> > illegaly

> > > > obtained wealth.

> > > >

> > > > Yes, I agree the the "Rahu in 12th" results are greatly

> modified

> > by

> > > > the placement in a good rashi, i.e. Gemini, Virgo, Taurus and

> > > Aries.

> > > > I also agree that the nature of "Rahu in 12th" is somewhat

> > modified

> > > > by its placement in a good nakshatra (Jupiter ruled

nakshatras).

> > > >

> > > > Firstly, "Planet in house" dictum never fails.

Secondly "Planet

> > in

> > > > Rashi" dictum never fails. These two are enough for a broad-

> brush

> > > > prediction. Thereafter, one can apply all the high-level

mumbo-

> > > jumbo

> > > > WHICH usually fails.

> > > >

> > > > The only high-level mumbo-jumbo that I've seen give

consistent

> > > > results is Sanjay Rath's notes about predicting nature of

> spouse

> > > and

> > > > the quaility of marriage based on Upapada Lagna and

> > planets/rashis

> > > in

> > > > 2nd and 12th from Upapada.

> > > >

> > > > See, in the case of Paul Macartney, he DID have to go

> > > > through "bondage" like situation as his wife was frequently

> > > > hospitalized and he had to care for her. -- See, Rahu in 12th

> > > dictum

> > > > didn't fail.

> > > >

> > > > Swami Vivekanada's chart confuses me. I know a woman with

Rahu

> in

> > > > 12th in Scorpio, this woman has the worst character in the

> world--

> > > she

> > > > sells herself, lies, steals, does everthing that the society

> > frowns

> > > > upon as long as her actions benefit her--she also has Sun in

> > > > Mooltrikona in 9th house, but this great placement seems to

> have

> > > been

> > > > compeltely eclipsed by debilitated Rahu in 6th.

> > > >

> > > > Now, don't worry about your Rahu too much--it is well-

> disposited

> > by

> > > > the Lagna lord who again is well placed. Well, in your case,

> > > Jupiter

> > > > is in a friendly rashi in the throne who becomes a good

> > protector.

> > > >

> > > > I have Saturn in 5th in the enemy Rashi of Pisces and

evertime

> I

> > go

> > > > through Saturn Anatara-pratyantara, my life turns upside down-

-

> > see,

> > > > the dictum about bad effects of Shani in 5th doesn't fail

here.

> > > >

> > > > Mukund

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "Jayashree"

> > > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote:

> > > > > Mukundji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Consider the chart of Swami Vivekananda. His chart comes

with

> > JHL

> > > > > 6.0. He has debilitated Rahu in Scorpio in 12th house. His

> > > Sanyasa

> > > > > Marga does not need my re-introduction.

> > > > >

> > > > > Also, based on the info provided by another member,

consider

> > the

> > > > > chart of Paul McCartney. His chart has Rahu with Gulika in

12

> > in

> > > > Leo.

> > > > > As I read his life history yesterday, I came to know his

wife

> > > > fought

> > > > > and eventually was given away to Breast Cancer. This I

would

> > > > > attribute to being indicated by Jup, McCartney's 4/7th lord

> > > > acquiring

> > > > > Kendradipathi dosha placed in 10th house and in A7

conjoining

> > > Sun,

> > > > > the dispositor of Rahu with Gulika in 12th house.

> Nevertheless,

> > > it

> > > > > goes without further saying that his wife hasn't

> > > afterall "suffered

> > > > > hospitalization along with extra-marital affairs along with

> > > earning

> > > > > money through unfair means".

> > > > >

> > > > > In my own chart : Oct 31 1971, 2:32 PM, Madras, Rahu is co-

> lord

> > > of

> > > > > Aquarius lagna, placed in another of Sani's houses thereby

> > > strongly

> > > > > signifying Sanidev, and placed in 6th lord (waxing) Moon's

> star

> > > in

> > > > 2,

> > > > > having healthy trinal relationship with dispositor and

> lagnesh

> > > Sani

> > > > > where Sani is also placed in a friendly sign in a kendra.

> Also

> > to

> > > > be

> > > > > noted that Rahu is devoid of any further malefic aspects or

> > > > > associations such as Gulika or Mandi.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Jayashree

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "Jayashree"

> > > > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote:

> > > > > > Mukundji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I don't agree with you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It may be a different question whether someone ascends

> > > > spiritually

> > > > > > in a birth or not. However, sinful activities such as

> murder,

> > > > > > adultery, cruelty to children/animals/others are the

> > resultant

> > > > > > of 'poorva paap'. While Rahu will assist in unfolding the

> > > sinful

> > > > > > deeds or poorva paap, Rahu is nevertheless 'not' the

> > indicator

> > > of

> > > > > > accumulated sins. Infact, no single planet can be. It

> should

> > > > rather

> > > > > > be indicated by the affliction to certain key-houses.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In the lady's chart, though Mars is well-placed as lord

of

> > > poorva

> > > > > > punya in Swa-kshetra, the presence of Mercury who is

> 3rd/12th

> > > > lord

> > > > > > and dispositor of Rahu/Gulika/Mandi in the 5th, and the

> > > > affliction

> > > > > > to jala-tattwa planet Venus by two fiery planets Mars and

> > Sun,

> > > > and

> > > > > > the affliction to natural lord of intellect Budha by the

> same

> > > > fiery

> > > > > > planets in the house of intellect, along with a Sasa yoga

> > > caused

> > > > by

> > > > > > malefic Saturn on the Kalathra-Bhava show the poorva-

paap.

> > Rahu

> > > > has

> > > > > > helped in unfolding this poorva-paap.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rahu plays a key-role in giving materialistic fruits and

> > helps

> > > to

> > > > > > grow ahamkara/moha and Vanity. Where Rahu is placed in

the

> > > house

> > > > of

> > > > > > loss, this causes a deficiency that can manifest as delay

> in

> > > > > > fructification of the fruits of one's efforts. This is

what

> a

> > > > stand-

> > > > > > alone Rahu is capable of producing and *nothing more*.

> Where

> > a

> > > > > > native's chart has collective good karma, along a

different

> > > view,

> > > > > > Rahu as in 12th house causing delays and obstacles is

> > conducive

> > > > to

> > > > > > breaking lethargy and tamo-guna to work harder which is

> good

> > > for

> > > > > the

> > > > > > native in the long-run.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is my view and I do not differ wee-bit from my

earlier

> > > > stand.

> > > > > > Though I'm not versed in Jyotish formally, my instincts

> tell

> > me

> > > > > this

> > > > > > is the right answer.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jayashree

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, "monmuk111"

> > > > > <monmuk111>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > Hello Jayashree:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I remember you have Rahu in 12th and couple of years

back

> > you

> > > > had

> > > > > > > told me that your life events/experience doesn't fit

the

> > > dictum

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > Rahu in 12th. You may be an exception; however, in a

few

> > > cases

> > > > > > I've

> > > > > > > seen, this dictum doesn't fail.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I've seen Rahu in 12th causing bondage of some sort--

> > > difficult

> > > > to

> > > > > > > predict, but could be in form of hospitalization or

> actual

> > > > > > > imprisonment or bondage like situation.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I've seen Rahu in 12th causing the native to earn a lot

> of

> > > > money,

> > > > > > > usually through illegal or underhanded activities, for

> > which

> > > > the

> > > > > > > native usually gets caught and punished or maligned.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I've seen Rahu in 12th causing the person to ignore

> > societal

> > > > > norms

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > ones behavior. Sexual excesses and adultry are a form

of

> > > breach

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > societal norms.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now, I know you haven't experienced/behaved in any of

> the

> > > > above

> > > > > > > situation with your 12th house Rahu, but in my little

> > > > experience,

> > > > > > > I've seen this dictum does come true and that's what

I've

> > > said

> > > > > > here.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What I've said isn't the universal truth. There are

> > > exceptions

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > there are exceptions to the exceptions. What I've noted

> is

> > a

> > > > > > > generality.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You're still very young, lot of life is yet to be

> > > experienced.

> > > > > > Let's

> > > > > > > hope it doesn't come true in your case as you're such a

> > nice

> > > > > > person.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mukund

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Jayashree"

> > > > > > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Mukundji & list,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It may not be the best interest of a Jyotishi to

apply

> > any

> > > > > > dictum

> > > > > > > > blindfold. It was during my Rahu's bhukti I found

> secure

> > re-

> > > > > > > > employment and realization of a long-term wish to

have

> a

> > > > second

> > > > > > > > child, giving the direction to a seeming disarray of

> > things

> > > > for

> > > > > > a 3

> > > > > > > > yr period. Only caveat which 'may' fit with your list

> is

> > > that

> > > > I

> > > > > > > > suffered for a 5 month period with severe shoulder

pain

> > > (Jan -

> > > >

> > > > > > > > May '04) that the doctor called as 'Muscular spasm'

and

> I

> > > was

> > > > > > > banned

> > > > > > > > from taking medicines too since I had conceived my

> child.

> > > But

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > miraculously disappeared with no treatment in mid-

May,

> so

> > > the

> > > > > > > doctor

> > > > > > > > reversed the plate as 'no spasm'. This too, I bet, is

> > more

> > > of

> > > > > > > > transit results as Meena Rasi has been in a kind

> > > of 'Grahana'

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > sometime now with Rahu in 2nd, Ketu in 8, Jupiter

(till

> > > > > > recently)

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > 6, Sani in Ardhashtaka. I *never* faced any other bad-

> > stuff

> > > > > > listed

> > > > > > > > due to 12th house Rahu, but I can say I have a

tendency

> > to

> > > > > blame

> > > > > > > > myself for no mistake on my part and feel

unnecessarily

> > > > guilty

> > > > > > > > sometimes.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jayashree

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "monmuk111"

> > > > > > > <monmuk111>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Hello Debbie:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks for being bold and truthful and sharing the

> > > > additional

> > > > > > > > > information, it helps the Jyotish greatly.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Now, here is a prediction I had done for you on the

> > > > Jagannath

> > > > > > > > board

> > > > > > > > > when I didn't know ANYTHING about your personal

life

> > and

> > > I

> > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > noted

> > > > > > > > > that some of the things I had told you were true--

> here

> > is

> > > > an

> > > > > > > > excerpt

> > > > > > > > > from my reading:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

___________________

> > > > > > > > _

> > > > > > > > > "Hello Deborah:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You've not entered a new dasa, but a new antardasa

in

> > the

> > > > > maha

> > > > > > > > (main)

> > > > > > > > > dasa of Mars.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Your Rahu is placed in the 12th house from Lagna so

> it

> > is

> > > > > > > expected

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > give you problems. Rahu in 12th USUSALLY gives

health

> > > > > problems

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > related confinement, litigation and related

> punishment,

> > > > sexual

> > > > > > > > > excesses and related results like unwanted

> pregnancies,

> > > > STD,

> > > > > > etc."

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

___________________

> > > > > > > > _

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You've told us about your extra-marital affair

which

> I

> > > had

> > > > > > > > predicted

> > > > > > > > > that are the results of 12th house Rahu. You also

> told

> > us

> > > > > > > > > about "unwanted" pregnancies that I had predicted

> which

> > > > also

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > result indifference to societal norms, which in

turn

> > are

> > > a

> > > > > > result

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > 12th house Rahu.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The saving grace is Rahu's placement in a favorable

> > rashi

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > Gemini.

> > > > > > > > > Rahu's 12th house placement let you astray and

Rahu's

> > > > > > benefical

> > > > > > > > > placement in Gemini brough a sense of self-

awareness

> in

> > > you

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > will lead to self-improvement. Had the 12th house

> Rahu

> > > > placed

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > rashi bad for Rahu such as Saggitarius or Pices, it

> > would

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > > ruined

> > > > > > > > > your life.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > See, the old sages knew what they were talking

about

> > when

> > > > > they

> > > > > > > > wrote

> > > > > > > > > up all these dictums.--They do come true.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Well, this gives me a small shot of confidence in

my

> > > > > > predicting

> > > > > > > > > ability.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Now, the issue at hand is for the GURUS to come up

> with

> > a

> > > > > > remedy

> > > > > > > > > that'll bring some peace in your life. Let's hope

> some

> > > > GURUS

> > > > > > take

> > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > the challenge.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mukund

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vedic-

> astrology, "the_lighted1"

> > > > > > > > <m18deb@a...>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > Hello,

> > > > > > > > > > I just wanted to include some relevant

information

> in

> > > > > regard

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > chart that may be useful. I thought that I

posted

> > > > earlier

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > guess that I did it wrong because I don't see

it.

> I

> > > > thank

> > > > > > > > everyone

> > > > > > > > > > for their insight and am using it to understand

my

> > > chart

> > > > > > > > better,

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks again.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I was married the first time on December 20th,

1981

> > the

> > > > > same

> > > > > > > > year

> > > > > > > > > > that I graduated from high school and had a son

on

> > June

> > > > > 8th,

> > > > > > > > 1982.

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > separated from my husband in May of 1983 and was

> > having

> > > > an

> > > > > > > extra

> > > > > > > > > > marital affair and my husband whom I had filed

for

> > > > divorce

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > was in a different relationship himself killed

> > himself

> > > by

> > > > > > > > shooting

> > > > > > > > > > himself in the head with a rifle in the back yard

> of

> > > his

> > > > > > > > mother's

> > > > > > > > > > home on April 25, 1984

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > My second marriage was May 17th, 1989. I had a

son

> > by

> > > > him

> > > > > > > prior

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > the marriage on August 30th 1987 and another son

> > after

> > > we

> > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > married on September 6th, 1989. That husband was

a

> > > > severe

> > > > > > > > > alcoholic

> > > > > > > > > > who was very abusive and I separated from him

less

> > than

> > > a

> > > > > > year

> > > > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > > we were married but never filed for a divorce.

The

> > day

> > > I

> > > > > > > kicked

> > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > out was January 20th 1990 and he died of the

> delirium

> > > > > > tremens

> > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > are the DT's caused by withdraw from alcohol on

> > October

> > > > 14,

> > > > > > > > 1992.

> > > > > > > > > > That was the day before his 34th birthday.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Other things that may be of interest are that my

> two

> > > > > > youngest

> > > > > > > > sons

> > > > > > > > > > have been raised by my mother and father since

July

> > of

> > > > > > 1992.

> > > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > > was voluntarily at first when I was financially

not

> > > able

> > > > to

> > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > so,

> > > > > > > > > > but as time went by my mother did what she could

to

> > > > prevent

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > sons

> > > > > > > > > > from living with me and discouraged them to do

so.

> I

> > do

> > > > see

> > > > > > > them

> > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > of the time but my mother I feel betrayed me in

not

> > > > > > encouraging

> > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > sons to want to live with me and we have had a

very

> > > > > strained

> > > > > > > > > > relationship.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > thanks again,

> > > > > > > > > > Debbie

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > <boxdel>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh,

> > > > > > > > > > > Saturn becomes Shubha being in own house and

> > attracts

> > > > > > > > > Kendradhipati

> > > > > > > > > > > dosha, thus giving some bad results related to

> > one's

> > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > 7th.

> > > > > > > > > > > Being 8th Lord in 7th he is also capable of

> harming

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > indications

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > 7th house. These two are separate issues and

need

> > to

> > > be

> > > > > > > viewed

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > such.

> > > > > > > > > > > I would say the problems in marriage could

arise

> > out

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > either

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > being able to communicate with spouse or due to

a

> > > > > somewhat

> > > > > > > > > negative

> > > > > > > > > > view

> > > > > > > > > > > of looking at things and suspicious nature.

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Ramesh Gangaramani wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your comments and for pointing

> out

> > > that

> > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > 8L

> > > > > > > > > > > > too. I want to understand the earlier comment

> of

> > > > yours.

> > > > > > > Does

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > imply

> > > > > > > > > > > > that Saturn in this case will not be shubha

> > though

> > > > > > placed

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > own

> > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > or because it is placed in own house? Will

the

> > > dictum

> > > > > > > > > of 'Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > protects the house in which it is placed' get

> > > diluted

> > > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > own house?

> > > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ramesh

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ** Chandrashekhar

[boxdel]

> > > > > > > > > > > > *Sent:* Sunday, September 12, 2004 12:30

AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > *To:* Ramesh Gangaramani

> > > > > > > > > > > > *Cc:* vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > > *Subject:* Re: [vedic astrology] I have

> been

> > > > > widowed

> > > > > > > > twice

> > > > > > > > > > and am

> > > > > > > > > > > > wondering if I will have another chance

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Debbie/Ramesh,

> > > > > > > > > > > > I would think Debbie might marry again

> around

> > > > April

> > > > > > > 2005

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > marriage is likely to be more fortunate.

> The

> > > > person

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > mature in age than Debbie, is what I

think.

> > > > > > > > > > > > By the way Ramesh, Malefic owning a

Kendra

> is

> > > > > Shubha

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > occupying that Kendra, Saturn is in

Kendra

> > in

> > > > own

> > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > 8th lord too.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ramesh Gangaramani wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >> Satyam Bruyat Priyam Buryat

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> Debbie,

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> I am sorry to hear about the tragedies

in

> > your

> > > > > > life. I

> > > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > > >> initiating a discussion based on my

> initial

> > > > > > > > observations.

> > > > > > > > > > > >> In case of females 8H signifies magalaya

=

> > > > marital

> > > > > > > bond,

> > > > > > > > > > > >> subhagya, vaidhavya = widowhood. In D1,

8H

> > is

> > > > > > aspected

> > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > >> and Rahu. In D9 the 8H has Saturn placed

> in

> > it

> > > > and

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > aspected by

> > > > > > > > > > > >> Mars, Venus and Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> This is what Kalyan Verma has to

say "KV:

> > > > Malefic

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 8th

> > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > >> cause widowhood. This will occur in the

> Dasa

> > > > > > periods

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > Lord

> > > > > > > > > > > >> of the Navamsa occupied by the 8th

Lord."

> > Your

> > > > 8L

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > Saturn,

> > > > > > > > > > > >> placed in 8H in D9 in Leo rashi. Lord is

> > Sun.

> > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > tragedy

> > > > > > > > > > > >> occurred in Sun-Ven-Ven dasa. (Please

read

> > > > > > functional

> > > > > > > > > > > >> characteristics of Venus below.)

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> The first case happened in Venus dasa

> which

> > is

> > > a

> > > > > > > > functional

> > > > > > > > > > > >> malefic (kendradhipati dosha and also

11L)

> > for

> > > > > > Cancer

> > > > > > > > > Lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > > >> happens to be the lord of 2nd house from

> UL

> > > and

> > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > maraka

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > >> 1st spouse. AD was that of Mercury which

> is

> > > also

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > > functional

> > > > > > > > > > > >> malefic (dusthana lord and trisadipati-

> 12L

> > > and

> > > > > 3L).

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> UL is placed 12th from AL in D1. This

> > actually

> > > > > > > indicates

> > > > > > > > > > > >> 'rejection of spouse'. I am not sure

what

> > > would

> > > > it

> > > > > > > mean

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > >> case. Also this applies to the 1st

spouse.

> > 2nd

> > > > > from

> > > > > > UL

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > >> aspected by Sun, Mars, Mercury and

Venus.

> It

> > > has

> > > > > > rashi

> > > > > > > > > > drishti of

> > > > > > > > > > > >> Saturn. I am not sure if this would

> indicate

> > > > > > premature

> > > > > > > > > death

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > >> the spouse.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> 2nd spouse/partner is seen from 8th from

> UL

> > > > which

> > > > > > > falls

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > >> Scorpio. 2nd from that has Moon and Ketu

> > > > aspected

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > > Lord

> > > > > > > > > > > >> of this house Jupiter however is strong

> and

> > > > should

> > > > > > > > protect

> > > > > > > > > > the UL!

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> In both cases ULL Mars in own house is a

> > > > favorable

> > > > > > > > factor

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > >> should have given longevity to them!

Other

> > > > factor

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > 7L

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > D1

> > > > > > > > > > > >> being in own house. Saturn usually

> protects

> > > the

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > which it

> > > > > > > > > > > >> is placed especially so in this case

> because

> > > it

> > > > is

> > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > own

> > > > > > > > > > house!

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> Though 8H affliction of D1 may indicate

> > > > widowhood,

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > >> positive factors too. I would therefore

> like

> > > to

> > > > > > hear

> > > > > > > > views

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > >> knowledgeable members . I have attached

> your

> > > > chart

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > JHL

> > > > > > > > > > format

> > > > > > > > > > > >> for the sake of convenience. I hope the

> > birth

> > > > > > details

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > >> correct. Just one question please, were

> both

> > > > > > spouses

> > > > > > > > > Martian

> > > > > > > > > > > >> personalities? I am sure you know that

UL

> > > would

> > > > > > > > indicate a

> > > > > > > > > > > >> partner regardless of formal marriage!

In

> > > other

> > > > > > words

> > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > > >> were other stable relationships (lasting

> > over

> > > a

> > > > > > year

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > so)

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > >> working would change.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> Before I close I must mention that 3rd

> > > marriage

> > > > is

> > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > 9H

> > > > > > > > > > > >> which in your case has Jupiter in own

> house!

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> Ramesh

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> the_lighted1 [m18deb@a...]

> > > > > > > > > > > >> Friday, September 10, 2004 3:49 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > >> vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > >> [vedic astrology] I have been

> > widowed

> > > > > > twice

> > > > > > > > and am

> > > > > > > > > > > >> wondering if

> > > > > > > > > > > >> I will have another chance

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Hello respected Guru's and learned

> > students,

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > I was wondering if you see from my own

> > chart

> > > a

> > > > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > >> future for me. I have been plagued by

> > > > unfortunate

> > > > > > > > > > circumstance in my

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > previous 2 marriages in which I was

> > widowed

> > > in

> > > > > > both

> > > > > > > > > > instances all

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > before the age of 30. The first time

was

> > in

> > > > > April

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > 1985

> > > > > > > > > > and the

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > second time was October 1992. I am

> > including

> > > > my

> > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > details,

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > please let me know if you need

> additional

> > > > > > > > information. I

> > > > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > currently studying on my own until I

> feel

> > > > > > educated

> > > > > > > > > enough

> > > > > > > > > > to join

> > > > > > > > > > > >> the ranks as an official student. I

would

> > like

> > > > to

> > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > exactly in

> > > > > > > > > > > >> my chart determines this and if this is

> > going

> > > to

> > > > > > > happen

> > > > > > > > > > again or will

> > > > > > > > > > > >> I not have another marriage etc.. Thank

> you

> > > for

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > insight.

> > > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Warm Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Debbie Munger

> > > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Debbie Munger

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Nov 18, 1963 10:33 PM +08:00 PST

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sacramento, CA:USA Longitude: 121W30

> > > Latitude:

> > > > > > 38N35

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:21 Current

Period:

> > > > MA/RA/RA

> > > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord

> > > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > ================================================

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Asc 21:57 Can Aslesha Me

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sun 02:50 Sco +01:00:34 WK Vishakha Ju

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Moon 05:14 Sag +11:55:04 WK Mula Ke

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mars 24:33 Sco +00:44:34 ST Jyeshtha Me

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Merc 11:00 Sco +01:32:47 CM Anuradha Sa

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > JuptR 16:38 Pis -00:03:18 FM U.Bhadra

Sa

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ven 23:44 Sco +01:14:46 WK Jyeshtha Me

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sat 23:47 Cap +00:02:51 FM Dhanishtha

Ma

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Rahu 18:32 Gem -00:02:11 FM Ardra Ra

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ketu 18:32 Sag -00:02:11 FM P.Shadya Ve

> > > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet

> Time:

> > > 315

> > > > > > beats

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Day: Monday Sunrise: 6:52 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Tithi: Shukla Tritiya

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Yoga Pt: 11:24 Li Yogi:Ra AviYogi:Ve

Dup

> > > Yogi:

> > > > Ve

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Dagha Rashis: Leo Cap

> > > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Rashi Chart

> > > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > >

*******************************************************

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** 5 * * 3 **

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > *6 * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * RA 18:32* *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * 4 AS 21:57 * 2 *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** * * **

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > *7 * 1 *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** * * **

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > *8 * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > *SU 02:50* * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > *ME 11:00 * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > *VE 23:44 * 10 SA 23:47 * 12 JUR16:38*

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > *MA 24:33 * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * MO 05:14* * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * KE 18:32 * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** 9 * * 11 **

> > > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > >

*******************************************************

> > > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Navamsha

> > > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > >

*******************************************************

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** 11 * * 9 **

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > *12* * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * MA * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * VE * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > *RA * 10 AS * 8 JUR *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** * * **

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > *1 * 7 ME *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** * * **

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > *2 * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > *MO * 4 SU * 6 KE *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * SA * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** 3 * * 5 **

> > > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > >

*******************************************************

> > > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Khavedamsha

> > > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** 1 * * 11 **

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > *2 * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * RA * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * KE * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > *VE * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > *SA * 12 AS * 10 SU *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** * * **

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > *3 MA * 9 ME *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** * * **

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > *4 * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * 6 * 8 *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * JUR * * MO * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** 5 * * 7 **

> > > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > ========================

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ke/Ma 8/22/1963

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ke/Ra 1/18/1964

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ke/Ju 2/5/1965

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ke/Sa 1/12/1966

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ke/Me 2/21/1967

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Ve 2/18/1968

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Su 6/19/1971

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Mo 6/19/1972

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Ma 2/17/1974

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Ra 4/19/1975

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Ju 4/19/1978

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Sa 12/18/1980

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Me 2/18/1984

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Ke 12/19/1986

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Su 2/18/1988

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Mo 6/6/1988

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Ma 12/6/1988

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Ra 4/13/1989

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Ju 3/8/1990

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Sa 12/25/1990

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Me 12/7/1991

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Ke 10/12/1992

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Ve 2/17/1993

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Mo 2/17/1994

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Ma 12/19/1994

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Ra 7/20/1995

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Ju 1/18/1997

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Sa 5/20/1998

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Me 12/19/1999

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Ke 5/19/2001

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Ve 12/18/2001

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Su 8/19/2003

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Ma 2/18/2004

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Ra 7/16/2004

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Ju 8/3/2005

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Sa 7/10/2006

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Me 8/19/2007

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Ke 8/15/2008

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Ve 1/11/2009

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Su 3/14/2010

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Mo 7/19/2010

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Ra 2/18/2011

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Ju 10/31/2013

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Sa 3/25/2016

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Me 1/30/2019

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Ke 8/19/2021

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Ve 9/6/2022

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Su 9/6/2025

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Mo 8/1/2026

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Ma 1/30/2028

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Ju 2/17/2029

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Sa 4/7/2031

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Me 10/19/2033

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Ke 1/24/2036

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Ve 12/30/2036

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Su 8/31/2039

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Mo 6/19/2040

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Ma 10/19/2041

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Ra 9/24/2042

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Sa 2/17/2045

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Me 2/21/2048

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Ke 10/31/2050

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Ve 12/10/2051

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Su 2/8/2055

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Mo 1/21/2056

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Ma 8/22/2057

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Ra 9/30/2058

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Ju 8/6/2061

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Me/Me 2/18/2064

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Me/Ke 7/16/2066

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Me/Ve 7/14/2067

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Me/Su 5/13/2070

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Me/Mo 3/20/2071

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Me/Ma 8/18/2072

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Me/Ra 8/16/2073

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Me/Ju 3/4/2076

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Me/Sa 6/10/2078

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