US Presidential Election Prediction

October 11, 2004

Namaste Narasimha,

Excellent analysis on the outcome of the upcoming presidential

elections. I appreciate your taking the time to scrutinize and

study all relevant charts.

I don't have a lot of time to go into in detail today, but I wanted to

make the following comments in response:

First, I disagree on your conclusion that John Kerry will lose the

election. Please note my points as follows:

First, Shastihayani dasa applies in Kerry's chart also, given the Sun in

the lagna. Since the Sun itself is the significator of this dasa,

it is more appropriate in the chart of a presidential candidate or

political leader. Given that Jupiter is the greatest benefactor or

supporter of the Sun according to Panchakadi Sambandha, his participation

is vitally contributive in Kerry's dasa as well, being in 10th house/Leo,

while Sun occupies the lagna. So this dasa may report the dasha

phala more correctly than the Dwisaptati-sama dasa for Kerry.

Secondly, in that dasa a clear indication is given of Kerry's winning the

White House, with the Dasa period of the Sun itself now in operation,

with the AD of the Moon operative now also at the time of the

election. The full Moon as lord of the 9th in Kerry's chart, with

mutual aspect and Raja-yoga with dasa lord Sun, is about as powerful as

it gets for attaining the highest post in the land.

Further, transit of Saturn (for rulership of the masses, and also

significator of the Democratic party), will be moving in the third from

Chandra in Kerry's chart at the time of the election, a most beneficial

position, while transit Jupiter moves through the 11th and 5th from

Chandra. All of these point to an auspicious outcome for

Kerry.

G.W. BUSH

In Bush's chart, the Dwisaptati-sama dasa is best, as 7th lord is in the

lagna. During the election, the dasa of Jupiter will be operative

(note that he took office in 2000 when this dasa started), while AD

period of the Sun will be operating at the time of the election.

Sun in the 12th house, in Marana karaka sthana, and aspected by Rahu,

while dasa lord itself is in Marana karaka sthana, are not at all

favorable for winning the election as leader of the free world. The

only way he could take this election would be by deceptive means, as

Rahu's aspect and the 12th house Sun suggest this.

Transiting Rahu in his 10th house also, making aspects to 10th lord Mars

would indicate a covert or illegal victory only. Transit Saturn

moving over the lagna as 7th lord indicates disfavor of the people, while

Jupiter's transit in Marana karaka sthana over Chandra lagna is also not

beneficial, especially since Jupiter is the dasa lord.

Thus taking both charts and appropriate dasas into account, I conclude

that Kerry wins the election, at least so far as the legal elective

procedures are concerned. The illegal part is still up for

question, with lawyers on both sides poised to step in at the first

question of improprieties.

Best wishes,

Robert

PS Are you sure of Dick Cheney's birth data?

At 05:44 AM 10/11/04 -0400, you wrote:

Namaste

friends,

I and Pt. Sanjay Rath identified the

right chart of John F Kerry out of the three available charts and further

rectified it together when he was at my house. However, unfortunately, we

could not agree on the rectification of the birthtime of George W Bush.

Depending on the rectification, the indications of this year's Tithi

Pravesha chart are totally different. Our reading of the nomination

acceptance charts was also different. By the way, I consider the

nomination acceptance chart very

important.

I will make my prediction based on the

birthdata rectified by me.

*

Bottomline: After the first two debates

(especially the first one), John F Kerry seems to have gained a lot of

momentum and closed the gap with George W Bush and even seems to have

gone ahead according to some polls. However, it is my expectation that

this will not be sufficient and that George W Bush will prevail in the

end.

President's campaign may pick up

momentum towards the end of October. Even though the third week of

October may see fireworks flying in both directions and both the

candidates making some headway with bitterness on the rise, the last week

of campaign may give decisive momentum to the Bush

campaign.

I am not exactly sure of what will

happen in November, December and January, but I do not expect George W

Bush to leave office on January 23, 2004.

Caution: This prediction need not come

true. It is made based on a lot of on-the-border

analysis.

*

* *

First, I will give all the relevant data used by

me:

(1) George W Bush: 6 July 1946, 7:30 am

(4:00 west of GMT), 72 W 55' 43", 41 N 18'

29"

(2) Laura Bush: 4 November 1946, 6:00 pm

(6:00 west of GMT), 102 W 04' 39", 31 N 59'

50"

(3) Dick Cheney: 30 January 1941, 7:30

pm (6:00 west of GMT), 96 W 40' 00", 40 N 48'

00"

(4) John Kerry: 11 December 1943, 8:08

am (6:00 west of GMT), 104 W 59' 03", 39 N 44'

21"

(5) Theresa Heinz Kerry: 5 October 1938,

6:18 pm (2:00 east of GMT), 32 E 35' 00", 25 S 57'

00"

(6) John Edwards: 10 June 1953, 7:02 am

(5:00 west of GMT), 82 W 57' 12", 34 N 41'

08"

(7) Kerry accepted nomination: 29 July

2004 10:21 pm (4:00 west of GMT), 71 W 03' 37", 42 N 21'

30"

(8) Bush accepted nomination: 2

September 2004, 10:10:12 pm (4:00 west of GMT), 73 W 58' 00", 40 N

47' 00"

All the data in (1)-(6) is from

www.AstroDataBank.com.

Out of those 6 charts, (1) and (4) were rectified by me to the best of my

ability and time. Data in (7) was noted down by a vedic astrology member

based on live TV coverage and shared with members. Data in (8) was noted

down by me based on live TV coverage, with a small correction applied to

take care of the satellite delay.

*

* *

Here are my key points:

(1) In Kerry's chart, Dwisaptati sama

dasa applies and explains past events very well. Current period is

Mercury-Moon. Moon is in 6th from Mercury and 6th from Moon is in Aq,

i.e. 12th house from lagna. With the bhoga of Moon in Mercury dasa being

in the 12th house, this seems to me like a period of loss and not gaining

power.

(2) In Bush's chart also, Dwisaptati

sama dasa applies and explains past events very well. Jupiter dasa

started in April 2000 and ends in April 2009. Jupiter dasa is a good dasa

and the power given by Jupiter is likely to continue. I am a bit

apprehensive about the Sun antardasa that is about to start. Sun is in

marana karaka sthana in the natal rasi chart. However, Sun is in 10th

from Jupiter in the same rasi chart. The bhoga of Sun from Jupiter is in

9th in rasi and 5th in dasamsa. I am not sure if Jupiter-Sun is capable

of bringing him down.

(3) When Kerry accepted the presidential

nomination and became a candidate formally, the 5th house of power has

the 6th lord. The lagna lord is in 6th house. This is not indicative of

power. On the contrary, this is indicative of losing the bid for

power.

(4) When Bush accepted the presidential

nomination and became a candidate formally, lagna lord Mars and 5th lord

Sun conjoined in the 5th house Leo! This is indicative of retaining

power. Sun is the faster moving planet and he is 4 degrees behind Mars.

Thus this raja yoga is very promising and will give result

soon.

Though lagna is afflicted by Moon-Rahu

combination, Moon and Rahu are further away from lagna. More importantly,

Rahu is actually moving away from lagna (into the 12th house) while Moon

is moving towards lagna. This is not so inauspicious after

all.

(5) Teresa Heinz Kerry is running

Mercury-Jupiter antardasa as per Vimsottari dasa. From the 7th house in

navamsa, Mercury is in the 10th house and Jupiter is the 5th lord.

However, they do not show any raja yoga and do not show her becoming the

First Lady.

(6) John Edwards is running

Saturn-Saturn antardasa. It is a very favorable period for him. However,

it can be argued that this whole exposure is good enough for an

inexperienced senator like him. This exposure did a world of good to his

political career.

(7) Dick Cheney is running Venus dasa

till 2008. Venus is the 10th lord in 5th in rasi. Without rectifying the

divisional charts and just looking at rasi chart, Venus dasa is a good

dasa. It is unlikely that Venus-Mercury antardasa would take him down,

with Mercury in 2nd from Sun and Venus in 12th from Sun causing

Ubhayachara yoga on lagna lord Sun.

(8) An examination of Sudarsana Chakra

dasa of dasamsa makes me think that most of October will be a dicey month

for Bush, but Oct 25-Nov 6 will be excellent. His campaign may build last

minute momentum in the week preceding the

elections.

(9) Kerry's TP chart of 2003-04 looks

good. But, the 2004-05 TP chart does not seem to show a great event on

Jan 23. He runs Jupiter's TA dasa at the time. Jupiter is the 4th and 7th

lord in 3rd in marana karaka sthana. I cannot imagine Jupiter dasa making

him the President of USA.

(10) Bush's TP chart of 2003-04 is not

so auspicious in Nov-Dec. However, Jan 23 looks good. Mercury-Venus

antardasa as per TA dasa runs during Jan 22-Feb 4. In dasamsa, Venus is

the 5th lord in Gemini lagna and lagna lord Mercury is aspecting him from

Sagittarius. There is a raja yoga given by Mercury (1st and 4th lords)

and Venus (5th lord). Mercury is the hora lord and hence the ruler of the

year too. I cannot imagine Mercury-Venus antardasa taking him out of

white house.

I am not 100% sure of what goes on in

November, December and January. But, come 23 January 2004, I cannot

imagine Bush leaving office,

(11) The chara karaka parivartana in

Bush's nomination acceptance chart is bad. I agree. But I refuse to

accept that it is a fatal thing. It only show huge

setbacks.

(12) An examination of the charts of Al

Gore and Hillary Clinton from the point of view of 2008 elections also

makes me think that Republicans will hold on to the White House for 4

more years and democrats other than Kerry and Edwards will run (and win)

in 2008.

There is a lot more that I thought of

but don't have time to write.

One word of caution: Most of the logic

used is very dicey. Things are not crystal clear. So many factors are

sitting on a fence in this particular case. So the confidence level I

have in this prediction is pretty low.

May Jupiter's light shine on

us,

Narasimha

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October 11, 2004

Dear Robert,

Namaste.

It is always nice to hear from you. Thank you for your views. I do understand

that there are interesting points on both the sides, but I have made my final

judgment and taken a position.

Just one comment. I did notice that Shashtihayani dasa is applicable in Kerry's

chart and mahadasa of yogada Sun is running and antardasa is of Moon, who gives

DK yoga along with dasa lord Sun.

However, I chose to ignore the dasa because it did not explain the events in his

past political life well. He contested a Gubernatorial election with Dukakis and

was elected the Lieutenant Governor of Mass in Nov 1982.

As per Shashtihayani dasa, it was during Saturn-Mars antardasa. Either based on

rasi or based on dasamsa, I cannot explain that at all. Saturn is in the 8th

house from lagna and GL in rasi and in the 4th house in dasamsa, as the ruler

of 11th and 12th.

On the other hand, it was during Moon-Jupiter antardasa as per Dwisaptati sama

dasa that he won the Gubernatorial election as the running partner of Dukakis.

That was the beginning of his political power. That makes perfect sense. Moon

and Jupiter give Gaja-Kesari yoga in rasi and dasamsa. In dasamsa, they are the

1st/10th and 5th lords in conjunction in 7th and give a raja yoga.

When I use Shashtihayani dasa to explain either his entire life or atleast his

past political career, I am not satisfied. Dwisaptati sama dasa, on the other

hand, works perfectly and explains every event I know of.

I believe there is a natural order of precedence in conditional dasas. It is my

understanding that when Dwisaptati sama dasa and Shashtihayani dasa are both

applicable, the former takes precedence. Atleast that is how I was taught and

that seems to make sense in this case.

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

-

Robert A. Koch

Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

Monday, October 11, 2004 2:22 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] US Presidential Election Prediction

Namaste Narasimha, Excellent analysis on the outcome of the upcoming

presidential elections. I appreciate your taking the time to scrutinize and

study all relevant charts. I don't have a lot of time to go into in detail

today, but I wanted to make the following comments in response: First, I

disagree on your conclusion that John Kerry will lose the election. Please

note my points as follows: First, Shastihayani dasa applies in Kerry's chart

also, given the Sun in the lagna. Since the Sun itself is the significator of

this dasa, it is more appropriate in the chart of a presidential candidate or

political leader. Given that Jupiter is the greatest benefactor or supporter

of the Sun according to Panchakadi Sambandha, his participation is vitally

contributive in Kerry's dasa as well, being in 10th house/Leo, while Sun

occupies the lagna. So this dasa may report the dasha phala more correctly

than the Dwisaptati-sama dasa for Kerry. Secondly, in that dasa a clear

indication is given of Kerry's winning the White House, with the Dasa period of

the Sun itself now in operation, with the AD of the Moon operative now also at

the time of the election. The full Moon as lord of the 9th in Kerry's chart,

with mutual aspect and Raja-yoga with dasa lord Sun, is about as powerful as it

gets for attaining the highest post in the land. Further, transit of Saturn

(for rulership of the masses, and also significator of the Democratic party),

will be moving in the third from Chandra in Kerry's chart at the time of the

election, a most beneficial position, while transit Jupiter moves through the

11th and 5th from Chandra. All of these point to an auspicious outcome for

Kerry. G.W. BUSHIn Bush's chart, the Dwisaptati-sama dasa is best, as 7th lord

is in the lagna. During the election, the dasa of Jupiter will be operative

(note that he took office in 2000 when this dasa started), while AD period of

the Sun will be operating at the time of the election. Sun in the 12th house,

in Marana karaka sthana, and aspected by Rahu, while dasa lord itself is in

Marana karaka sthana, are not at all favorable for winning the election as

leader of the free world. The only way he could take this election would be by

deceptive means, as Rahu's aspect and the 12th house Sun suggest this.

Transiting Rahu in his 10th house also, making aspects to 10th lord Mars would

indicate a covert or illegal victory only. Transit Saturn moving over the

lagna as 7th lord indicates disfavor of the people, while Jupiter's transit in

Marana karaka sthana over Chandra lagna is also not beneficial, especially

since Jupiter is the dasa lord. Thus taking both charts and appropriate dasas

into account, I conclude that Kerry wins the election, at least so far as the

legal elective procedures are concerned. The illegal part is still up for

question, with lawyers on both sides poised to step in at the first question of

improprieties. Best wishes,RobertPS Are you sure of Dick Cheney's birth data?

At 05:44 AM 10/11/04 -0400, you wrote:

Namaste friends, I and Pt. Sanjay Rath identified the right chart of John F

Kerry out of the three available charts and further rectified it together when

he was at my house. However, unfortunately, we could not agree on the

rectification of the birthtime of George W Bush. Depending on the

rectification, the indications of this year's Tithi Pravesha chart are totally

different. Our reading of the nomination acceptance charts was also different.

By the way, I consider the nomination acceptance chart very important. I will

make my prediction based on the birthdata rectified by me. * * *

Bottomline: After the first two debates (especially the first one), John F

Kerry seems to have gained a lot of momentum and closed the gap with George W

Bush and even seems to have gone ahead according to some polls. However, it is

my expectation that this will not be sufficient and that George W Bush will

prevail in the end. President's campaign may pick up momentum towards the end

of October. Even though the third week of October may see fireworks flying in

both directions and both the candidates making some headway with bitterness on

the rise, the last week of campaign may give decisive momentum to the Bush

campaign. I am not exactly sure of what will happen in November, December and

January, but I do not expect George W Bush to leave office on January 23, 2004.

Caution: This prediction need not come true. It is made based on a lot of

on-the-border analysis. * * * First, I will give all the relevant

data used by me: (1) George W Bush: 6 July 1946, 7:30 am (4:00 west of GMT), 72

W 55' 43", 41 N 18' 29"(2) Laura Bush: 4 November 1946, 6:00 pm (6:00 west of

GMT), 102 W 04' 39", 31 N 59' 50"(3) Dick Cheney: 30 January 1941, 7:30 pm

(6:00 west of GMT), 96 W 40' 00", 40 N 48' 00"(4) John Kerry: 11 December 1943,

8:08 am (6:00 west of GMT), 104 W 59' 03", 39 N 44' 21"(5) Theresa Heinz Kerry:

5 October 1938, 6:18 pm (2:00 east of GMT), 32 E 35' 00", 25 S 57' 00"(6) John

Edwards: 10 June 1953, 7:02 am (5:00 west of GMT), 82 W 57' 12", 34 N 41'

08"(7) Kerry accepted nomination: 29 July 2004 10:21 pm (4:00 west of GMT), 71

W 03' 37", 42 N 21' 30"(8) Bush accepted nomination: 2 September 2004, 10:10:12

pm (4:00 west of GMT), 73 W 58' 00", 40 N 47' 00" All the data in (1)-(6) is

from www.AstroDataBank.com. Out of those 6 charts, (1) and (4) were rectified

by me to the best of my ability and time. Data in (7) was noted down by a

vedic astrology member based on live TV coverage and shared with members. Data

in (8) was noted down by me based on live TV coverage, with a small correction

applied to take care of the satellite delay. * * * Here are my

key points: (1) In Kerry's chart, Dwisaptati sama dasa applies and explains

past events very well. Current period is Mercury-Moon. Moon is in 6th from

Mercury and 6th from Moon is in Aq, i.e. 12th house from lagna. With the bhoga

of Moon in Mercury dasa being in the 12th house, this seems to me like a period

of loss and not gaining power. (2) In Bush's chart also, Dwisaptati sama dasa

applies and explains past events very well. Jupiter dasa started in April 2000

and ends in April 2009. Jupiter dasa is a good dasa and the power given by

Jupiter is likely to continue. I am a bit apprehensive about the Sun antardasa

that is about to start. Sun is in marana karaka sthana in the natal rasi chart.

However, Sun is in 10th from Jupiter in the same rasi chart. The bhoga of Sun

from Jupiter is in 9th in rasi and 5th in dasamsa. I am not sure if Jupiter-Sun

is capable of bringing him down. (3) When Kerry accepted the presidential

nomination and became a candidate formally, the 5th house of power has the 6th

lord. The lagna lord is in 6th house. This is not indicative of power. On the

contrary, this is indicative of losing the bid for power. (4) When Bush

accepted the presidential nomination and became a candidate formally, lagna

lord Mars and 5th lord Sun conjoined in the 5th house Leo! This is indicative

of retaining power. Sun is the faster moving planet and he is 4 degrees behind

Mars. Thus this raja yoga is very promising and will give result soon. Though

lagna is afflicted by Moon-Rahu combination, Moon and Rahu are further away

from lagna. More importantly, Rahu is actually moving away from lagna (into the

12th house) while Moon is moving towards lagna. This is not so inauspicious

after all. (5) Teresa Heinz Kerry is running Mercury-Jupiter antardasa as per

Vimsottari dasa. From the 7th house in navamsa, Mercury is in the 10th house

and Jupiter is the 5th lord. However, they do not show any raja yoga and do not

show her becoming the First Lady. (6) John Edwards is running Saturn-Saturn

antardasa. It is a very favorable period for him. However, it can be argued

that this whole exposure is good enough for an inexperienced senator like him.

This exposure did a world of good to his political career. (7) Dick Cheney is

running Venus dasa till 2008. Venus is the 10th lord in 5th in rasi. Without

rectifying the divisional charts and just looking at rasi chart, Venus dasa is

a good dasa. It is unlikely that Venus-Mercury antardasa would take him down,

with Mercury in 2nd from Sun and Venus in 12th from Sun causing Ubhayachara

yoga on lagna lord Sun. (8) An examination of Sudarsana Chakra dasa of dasamsa

makes me think that most of October will be a dicey month for Bush, but Oct

25-Nov 6 will be excellent. His campaign may build last minute momentum in the

week preceding the elections. (9) Kerry's TP chart of 2003-04 looks good. But,

the 2004-05 TP chart does not seem to show a great event on Jan 23. He runs

Jupiter's TA dasa at the time. Jupiter is the 4th and 7th lord in 3rd in marana

karaka sthana. I cannot imagine Jupiter dasa making him the President of USA.

(10) Bush's TP chart of 2003-04 is not so auspicious in Nov-Dec. However, Jan

23 looks good. Mercury-Venus antardasa as per TA dasa runs during Jan 22-Feb 4.

In dasamsa, Venus is the 5th lord in Gemini lagna and lagna lord Mercury is

aspecting him from Sagittarius. There is a raja yoga given by Mercury (1st and

4th lords) and Venus (5th lord). Mercury is the hora lord and hence the ruler

of the year too. I cannot imagine Mercury-Venus antardasa taking him out of

white house. I am not 100% sure of what goes on in November, December and

January. But, come 23 January 2004, I cannot imagine Bush leaving office, (11)

The chara karaka parivartana in Bush's nomination acceptance chart is bad. I

agree. But I refuse to accept that it is a fatal thing. It only show huge

setbacks. (12) An examination of the charts of Al Gore and Hillary Clinton from

the point of view of 2008 elections also makes me think that Republicans will

hold on to the White House for 4 more years and democrats other than Kerry and

Edwards will run (and win) in 2008. There is a lot more that I thought of but

don't have time to write. One word of caution: Most of the logic used is very

dicey. Things are not crystal clear. So many factors are sitting on a fence in

this particular case. So the confidence level I have in this prediction is

pretty low. May Jupiter's light shine on us,Narasimha

October 11, 2004

Dear Narasimha,

Thank you again for your views - I've always highly respected your

analyses and learning, and so also with the current predictions on the

presidential elections.

Let me provide some of my recent studies on past events in John Kerry's

life vis a vis Shastihayani dasa. It is clear with these events and

this dasa, that some significant things happened during the bhukti

periods of Venus. Now, this might seem odd with Venus owning and

occupying the 12th house, yet it still participates in key combinations

in the chart which are explainable and thus making Shastihayani dasa

acceptable in the final analysis. Let me copy as follows my work on

this in the last several weeks:

JOHN KERRY -- SOME LIFE EVENTS AND SHASTIHAYANI DASA

* Earned three Purple Hearts and the Silver Star, for bravery in battle

in Viet Nam: Feb. 5, 1969: Earned the Bronze Star in March,

1969 Me/Ra/Ju

Comments: Mercury rules the 5th from the Moon (Karaka for AL,

and thus very important for measuring public awareness and

acknowledgement) and is aspected by 5th lord Jupiter (from lagna and AL),

as well as 9th lord Moon and lagna lord Mars. Thus not only was

Kerry an officer in the military (Lieutenant in the Navy), he was also a

war hero. Now, Rahu's position in the 9th meant that he would

detract from his government's position on the war, and this made him a

controversial figure at the time. Apart from that, Rahu generates

power through its dispositor who is involved with an extremely powerful

Raja-yoga with Mars and the Sun. Mercury's being in the 5th

from AL also brings awards, especially so as Mercury rules the 11th from

lagna. Jupiter's aspect gave great recognition during this time and

thus the Silver Star.

* Testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee re: allegations

of atrocities committed in Viet Nam. Founded VVAW (Viet Nam

Veterans Against War): 4/1/1971: Me/Sun/Ve

Comments: The Sun rules the AL and is placed in the A10, and thus

this period made him famous in the matter of dealing with the government

over issues of atrocities committed in Viet Nam (note Rahu's aspect to

the Sun in this chart from the 9th house). He took a

leadership position in the anti-war movement at that time (Rahu) as a war

veteran himself. Although in the 12th house, Venus rules and

aspects the Paka lagna (Taurus), as well as the AL and all the powerful

planets in them.

Elected Lieutenant Governor of MA: 1982: Sa/Sun or Mars

Again Saturn is a yogakaraka from the Moon (karaka of AL), and is also

the lord of the Navamsa lagna, exalted in the 9th. So this period

has to produce results. Note here the position of Mars in D-9 and

D-10: In D-9, he rules the 10th and occupies the 5th, whereas

Saturn rules the lagna and occupies the 9th; in D-10, Saturn rules the

lagna, Mars rules the 10th, and both join in the 5th. Thus

Shastihayani Dasa explains his winning the Gubernatorial elections well,

in my view. The Sun or Mars as sub-periods are clear in their ability to

elevate the native to positions of power.

* I think we might be using a different TOB for Kerry. I use 08:07,

which puts the D-10 lagna in Aq. You evidently are using a time one

minute or so later than that, putting the D-10 lagna in Pi. Had you

rectified his TOB as such?

Elected to US Senate, 1984: Sa/Ve

Venus works to Kerry's favor too, even though in the 12th house, for

reasons mentioned above. Note that Venus is a yogakaraka in D-9 and

D-10, and rules the 10th from AL in the rasi chart. I believe this

Venus will prove Kerry to be very successful with foreign relations if he

attains the presidency, and especially so given the mutual aspects with

Jupiter. As a final notation here, Venus rules the Paka lagna,

while the karaka of PL Jupiter occupies the 10th house in Leo.

US Presidential Election: Nov. 2, 2004 Su/Mo/Ve

Now, as pointed out earlier today, the Sun's dasa is really the most

powerful time in Kerry's life, and has all the strength to lift him to a

position of power. We note in this chart, that the Paka lagna is

Taurus, where the karaka for the AL is placed (Moon); at the same time,

the AL is Leo, where the karaka for the Paka rasi is placed

(Jupiter). These are very auspicious associations to indicate that

the native has much power to influence the public mind and thinking,

especially given the Moon's bhukti period in operation. Venus again

comes into the picture here as lord of Paka rasi and Chandra lagna, and

10th lord from AL as well. It is noteworthy that after being

elected, the native moves to a new location, i.e. the White House.

In D-9 and D-10 Venus rules the 4th, and is in the 12th, indicating a

change of residence.

Rahu does aspect the AL, and thus his adversaries are trying everything

in the book to tarnish his reputation. However, Rahu's dispositor

is the highly benefic Moon, meaning that Kerry overcomes these obstacles

handily by his own intelligence, conviction, and statesmanship, all of

which we saw very clearly in the first presidential debate.

Finally, Rahu's transit in trines to the AL causes Raja-yoga, as per

Sanjay's teachings. This applies now in Kerry's chart, and so

definitely is a contributing factor as well. We shall see in a

couple of weeks how the puzzle plays out!

Tomorrow, given time, I will write on Kerry and Bush w.r.t. Narayana

dasa.

Best wishes,

Robert

At 08:40 PM 10/11/04 -0400, you wrote:

Dear

Robert,

Namaste.

It is always nice to hear from you. Thank you

for your views. I do understand that there are interesting points on both

the sides, but I have made my final judgment and taken a

position.

Just one comment. I did notice that

Shashtihayani dasa is applicable in Kerry's chart and mahadasa of yogada

Sun is running and antardasa is of Moon, who gives DK yoga along with

dasa lord Sun.

However, I chose to ignore the dasa because it

did not explain the events in his past political life well. He contested

a Gubernatorial election with Dukakis and was elected the Lieutenant

Governor of Mass in Nov 1982.

As per Shashtihayani dasa, it was during

Saturn-Mars antardasa. Either based on rasi or based on dasamsa, I cannot

explain that at all. Saturn is in the 8th house from lagna and GL in rasi

and in the 4th house in dasamsa, as the ruler of 11th and

12th.

On the other hand, it was during Moon-Jupiter

antardasa as per Dwisaptati sama dasa that he won the Gubernatorial

election as the running partner of Dukakis. That was the beginning of his

political power. That makes perfect sense. Moon and Jupiter give

Gaja-Kesari yoga in rasi and dasamsa. In dasamsa, they are the 1st/10th

and 5th lords in conjunction in 7th and give a raja yoga.

When I use Shashtihayani dasa to explain either

his entire life or atleast his past political career, I am not satisfied.

Dwisaptati sama dasa, on the other hand, works perfectly and explains

every event I know of.

I believe there is a natural order of

precedence in conditional dasas. It is my understanding that when

Dwisaptati sama dasa and Shashtihayani dasa are both applicable, the

former takes precedence. Atleast that is how I was taught and that seems

to make sense in this case.

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

- Robert A. Koch Narasimha P.V.R. Rao Sent:

Monday, October 11, 2004 2:22 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] US Presidential Election

Prediction

Namaste Narasimha,

Excellent analysis on the outcome of the upcoming presidential

elections. I appreciate your taking the time to scrutinize and

study all relevant charts.

I don't have a lot of time to go into in detail today, but I wanted

to make the following comments in response:

First, I disagree on your conclusion that John Kerry will lose the

election. Please note my points as follows:

First, Shastihayani dasa applies in Kerry's chart also, given the Sun

in the lagna. Since the Sun itself is the significator of this

dasa, it is more appropriate in the chart of a presidential candidate or

political leader. Given that Jupiter is the greatest benefactor or

supporter of the Sun according to Panchakadi Sambandha, his participation

is vitally contributive in Kerry's dasa as well, being in 10th house/Leo,

while Sun occupies the lagna. So this dasa may report the dasha

phala more correctly than the Dwisaptati-sama dasa for Kerry.

Secondly, in that dasa a clear indication is given of Kerry's winning

the White House, with the Dasa period of the Sun itself now in operation,

with the AD of the Moon operative now also at the time of the

election. The full Moon as lord of the 9th in Kerry's chart, with

mutual aspect and Raja-yoga with dasa lord Sun, is about as powerful as

it gets for attaining the highest post in the land.

Further, transit of Saturn (for rulership of the masses, and also

significator of the Democratic party), will be moving in the third from

Chandra in Kerry's chart at the time of the election, a most beneficial

position, while transit Jupiter moves through the 11th and 5th from

Chandra. All of these point to an auspicious outcome for

Kerry.

G.W. BUSH

In Bush's chart, the Dwisaptati-sama dasa is best, as 7th lord is in

the lagna. During the election, the dasa of Jupiter will be

operative (note that he took office in 2000 when this dasa started),

while AD period of the Sun will be operating at the time of the

election. Sun in the 12th house, in Marana karaka sthana, and

aspected by Rahu, while dasa lord itself is in Marana karaka sthana, are

not at all favorable for winning the election as leader of the free

world. The only way he could take this election would be by

deceptive means, as Rahu's aspect and the 12th house Sun suggest

this.

Transiting Rahu in his 10th house also, making aspects to 10th lord

Mars would indicate a covert or illegal victory only. Transit

Saturn moving over the lagna as 7th lord indicates disfavor of the

people, while Jupiter's transit in Marana karaka sthana over Chandra

lagna is also not beneficial, especially since Jupiter is the dasa

lord.

Thus taking both charts and appropriate dasas into account, I

conclude that Kerry wins the election, at least so far as the legal

elective procedures are concerned. The illegal part is still up for

question, with lawyers on both sides poised to step in at the first

question of improprieties.

Best wishes,

Robert

PS Are you sure of Dick Cheney's birth data?

At 05:44 AM 10/11/04 -0400, you

wrote:

Namaste

friends,

I and Pt. Sanjay Rath identified the right chart of John F Kerry out

of the three available charts and further rectified it together when he

was at my house. However, unfortunately, we could not agree on the

rectification of the birthtime of George W Bush. Depending on the

rectification, the indications of this year's Tithi Pravesha chart are

totally different. Our reading of the nomination acceptance charts was

also different. By the way, I consider the nomination acceptance chart

very

important.

I will make my prediction based on the birthdata rectified by

me.

*

Bottomline: After the first two debates (especially the first one),

John F Kerry seems to have gained a lot of momentum and closed the gap

with George W Bush and even seems to have gone ahead according to some

polls. However, it is my expectation that this will not be sufficient and

that George W Bush will prevail in the

end.

President's campaign may pick up momentum towards the end of October.

Even though the third week of October may see fireworks flying in both

directions and both the candidates making some headway with bitterness on

the rise, the last week of campaign may give decisive momentum to the

Bush

campaign.

I am not exactly sure of what will happen in November, December and

January, but I do not expect George W Bush to leave office on January 23,

2004.

Caution: This prediction need not come true. It is made based on a

lot of on-the-border

analysis.

*

* *

First, I will give all the relevant data used by

me:

(1) George W Bush: 6 July 1946, 7:30 am (4:00 west of GMT), 72 W 55'

43", 41 N 18'

29"

(2) Laura Bush: 4 November 1946, 6:00 pm (6:00 west of GMT), 102 W

04' 39", 31 N 59'

50"

(3) Dick Cheney: 30 January 1941, 7:30 pm (6:00 west of GMT), 96 W

40' 00", 40 N 48'

00"

(4) John Kerry: 11 December 1943, 8:08 am (6:00 west of GMT), 104 W

59' 03", 39 N 44'

21"

(5) Theresa Heinz Kerry: 5 October 1938, 6:18 pm (2:00 east of GMT),

32 E 35' 00", 25 S 57'

00"

(6) John Edwards: 10 June 1953, 7:02 am (5:00 west of GMT), 82 W 57'

12", 34 N 41'

08"

(7) Kerry accepted nomination: 29 July 2004 10:21 pm (4:00 west of

GMT), 71 W 03' 37", 42 N 21'

30"

(8) Bush accepted nomination: 2 September 2004, 10:10:12 pm (4:00

west of GMT), 73 W 58' 00", 40 N 47'

00"

All the data in (1)-(6) is from

www.AstroDataBank.com.

Out of those 6 charts, (1) and (4) were rectified by me to the best of my

ability and time. Data in (7) was noted down by a vedic astrology member

based on live TV coverage and shared with members. Data in (8) was noted

down by me based on live TV coverage, with a small correction applied to

take care of the satellite

delay.

*

* *

Here are my key

points:

(1) In Kerry's chart, Dwisaptati sama dasa applies and explains past

events very well. Current period is Mercury-Moon. Moon is in 6th from

Mercury and 6th from Moon is in Aq, i.e. 12th house from lagna. With the

bhoga of Moon in Mercury dasa being in the 12th house, this seems to me

like a period of loss and not gaining

power.

(2) In Bush's chart also, Dwisaptati sama dasa applies and explains

past events very well. Jupiter dasa started in April 2000 and ends in

April 2009. Jupiter dasa is a good dasa and the power given by Jupiter is

likely to continue. I am a bit apprehensive about the Sun antardasa that

is about to start. Sun is in marana karaka sthana in the natal rasi

chart. However, Sun is in 10th from Jupiter in the same rasi chart. The

bhoga of Sun from Jupiter is in 9th in rasi and 5th in dasamsa. I am not

sure if Jupiter-Sun is capable of bringing him

down.

(3) When Kerry accepted the presidential nomination and became a

candidate formally, the 5th house of power has the 6th lord. The lagna

lord is in 6th house. This is not indicative of power. On the contrary,

this is indicative of losing the bid for

power.

(4) When Bush accepted the presidential nomination and became a

candidate formally, lagna lord Mars and 5th lord Sun conjoined in the 5th

house Leo! This is indicative of retaining power. Sun is the faster

moving planet and he is 4 degrees behind Mars. Thus this raja yoga is

very promising and will give result

soon.

Though lagna is afflicted by Moon-Rahu combination, Moon and Rahu are

further away from lagna. More importantly, Rahu is actually moving away

from lagna (into the 12th house) while Moon is moving towards lagna. This

is not so inauspicious after

all.

(5) Teresa Heinz Kerry is running Mercury-Jupiter antardasa as per

Vimsottari dasa. From the 7th house in navamsa, Mercury is in the 10th

house and Jupiter is the 5th lord. However, they do not show any raja

yoga and do not show her becoming the First

Lady.

(6) John Edwards is running Saturn-Saturn antardasa. It is a very

favorable period for him. However, it can be argued that this whole

exposure is good enough for an inexperienced senator like him. This

exposure did a world of good to his political

career.

(7) Dick Cheney is running Venus dasa till 2008. Venus is the 10th

lord in 5th in rasi. Without rectifying the divisional charts and just

looking at rasi chart, Venus dasa is a good dasa. It is unlikely that

Venus-Mercury antardasa would take him down, with Mercury in 2nd from Sun

and Venus in 12th from Sun causing Ubhayachara yoga on lagna lord

Sun.

(8) An examination of Sudarsana Chakra dasa of dasamsa makes me think

that most of October will be a dicey month for Bush, but Oct 25-Nov 6

will be excellent. His campaign may build last minute momentum in the

week preceding the

elections.

(9) Kerry's TP chart of 2003-04 looks good. But, the 2004-05 TP chart

does not seem to show a great event on Jan 23. He runs Jupiter's TA dasa

at the time. Jupiter is the 4th and 7th lord in 3rd in marana karaka

sthana. I cannot imagine Jupiter dasa making him the President of

USA.

(10) Bush's TP chart of 2003-04 is not so auspicious in Nov-Dec.

However, Jan 23 looks good. Mercury-Venus antardasa as per TA dasa runs

during Jan 22-Feb 4. In dasamsa, Venus is the 5th lord in Gemini lagna

and lagna lord Mercury is aspecting him from Sagittarius. There is a raja

yoga given by Mercury (1st and 4th lords) and Venus (5th lord). Mercury

is the hora lord and hence the ruler of the year too. I cannot imagine

Mercury-Venus antardasa taking him out of white

house.

I am not 100% sure of what goes on in November, December and January.

But, come 23 January 2004, I cannot imagine Bush leaving

office,

(11) The chara karaka parivartana in Bush's nomination acceptance

chart is bad. I agree. But I refuse to accept that it is a fatal thing.

It only show huge

setbacks.

(12) An examination of the charts of Al Gore and Hillary Clinton from

the point of view of 2008 elections also makes me think that Republicans

will hold on to the White House for 4 more years and democrats other than

Kerry and Edwards will run (and win) in

2008.

There is a lot more that I thought of but don't have time to

write.

One word of caution: Most of the logic used is very dicey. Things are

not crystal clear. So many factors are sitting on a fence in this

particular case. So the confidence level I have in this prediction is

pretty low.

May Jupiter's light shine on

us,

Narasimha

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Dear Robert,

> * I think we might be using a different TOB for Kerry. I use

08:07, which

> puts the D-10 lagna in Aq. You evidently are using a time one

minute or so

> later than that, putting the D-10 lagna in Pi. Had you rectified

his TOB

> as such?

Yes. When Sanjay ji was at my house, we rectified it together. Here

is a small write-up:

vedic astrology/message/44965

> Finally, Rahu's transit in trines to the AL causes Raja-yoga, as

per

> Sanjay's teachings. This applies now in Kerry's chart, and so

definitely

> is a contributing factor as well.

I have no disagreement. Transits, whether from Moon or from arudha

lagna, are superior in Kerry's case than Bush's.

Jupiter is transiting in Virgo. Given that Kerry's rasi chart 10th

lord Sun is in Pisces dasamsa and Kerry's dasamsa 10th lord Jupiter

is in Virgo dasamsa, Jupiter's rasi transit in Virgo (aspecting

Pisces) is extremely auspicious in career.

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

October 12, 2004

::Sri Guru::

Dear Narasimha

That is good Logic..Robert we cannot explain the Rajayoga for Kerry using the

Shastihayani dasa. Also if we compare the conditions leading to the choise of

the dasa in Kerry's chart, then - The lagna lord in 7th house Mars is supported

by an exalted Moon whereas the Sun in lagna is not supported by any

planet...clearly the Dvisaptati dasa is stronger to give the results.

Todays News says "Bush gained three points on the Massachusetts senator to

move into a 45-45 percent dead heat in the latest three-day tracking poll of the

White House campaign. "

http://story.news./news?tmpl=story&cid=615&e=1&u=/nm/20041012/pl_nm/campaign_poll_tuesday_dc

As clearly brought out, it is a neck to neck battle and this small rise in the

poll margin for Bush has happened just as the Moon entered Virgo (outside the

Charakaraka replacement orb). Now the Moon is going to Libra soon and Kerry

will get another small lead and then after the Moon leaves Sagittarius Bush

gets a smal lead and then five days before the voting the Moon enters Aries and

Kerry again leads...see the close battle between Mars and Mercury.

Shall I say that during any battle the God of War shall win or is this premature?

Best Wishes

Sanjay Rath

Web Pages: http://srath.com

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[vedic astrology] Re: US Presidential Election Prediction