Fate(Advaita) VS Free Will(Dvaita) -East VS West Approach!

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Namaskar!

 

Good one Rahul!

 

Dialogue between H.H. & the Disciple is thought-provocative. Thanks

Mahendra ji for sharing it.

 

Let me put my two pence...

 

Fate is past karma. Unknown, unseen.

Free will is choice 'to do' or 'not to do'.

Habits are conditionings which affect Free will considerably or should I

say nearly '100%'.

Habits (patterns of behavior/action in ignorance) hamper free will not the

Fate.

 

Thanks to Nisha for putting her thoughts across. However, I disagree with

Nisha that Good karmas are not binding. I think this way that - 'supreme

state' is of 'non-action' and what is 'non-action'?

 

'Action' in full awareness. When there is no DOER - till 'I' remains karmas

are Binding....whether good or bad.

 

And how to eliminate 'DOER' or 'I'? - Surrender & realize the 'true self' -

by 'Budhha' way, 'Bhakti' way, 'Patanjali' way...

 

Till 'I' remain - fruits of past karma (fate) remain effective.

 

I'm a novice and still looking answers to all these questions, problems.

Hope to learn from all the learned on this fabulous list.

 

Again, thanks Rahul for nicely putting this East/West approach. It is tough

to me to choose between these two approaches:

 

'Go & get it' or 'do my bits and Surrender & wait - result/fruit will be

best for me (favourable/unfavourable)'.

 

 

Tushankur Saroha

 

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Fate(Advaita) VS Free Will(Dvaita) -East VS West Approach!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The discussion abt fate & freewill never ends,anyone who is serious

in learning astrology eventually has to grapple with questions

regarding fate and free will. Is our fate linked adamantly to our

moment of birth or is there some wiggle room for free will? If so,

how much?

 

Obviously, astrologers can predict events, which proves there is some

element of fate at work. But at other times predictions fail. This

may either be

1.a reflection on the astrologer's skill level,

2.the accuracy of the predictive system itself

3.there really is the elusive power of free will at play

 

the West, feel very uncomfortable with the idea of fate or destiny

and relish with free will. However, in India it's much

different,it's not uncommon to hear someone resign themselves to a

situation by simply saying "this is just my fate."

 

However, while on the surface it may appear that Western attitude is

the wiser of the two, After all, how "free" really is our free will

 

when we're limited by our past conditioning? Usually, we're such

creatures of habit that we can't even follow through with our new

year's resolutions of past . Our habits are often so difficult to

change. On the other hand, the attitude of resigning ourselves to our

fate could reflect a level of acceptance and trust that could be

considered very wise.

 

Due to the differences of cultural conditioning, generally the

astrologers of India tend towards a fate orientation, while the

astrologers in the West tends toward a free will orientation. And

it's very easy to err on one side or the other

 

However, there may be exceptions like, In some cases, telling a

client honestly that they're entering a difficult period could help

them "surrender" and come to acceptance of their situation, which

could be a positive relief if they've made continued effort to

improve their situation to no avail,Like if u try hard for material

fullfillments in effected(bad) saturn period ,that much hard saturn

will come at u?

 

 

The path of action, represents "Dvaita" or dualism and is generally a

proponent of a free will orientation followed by modern seer and

proponent of dvaita Paramahansa Yogananda.

 

The path of surrender or non-action, represents "Advaita" or non-

dualism and is generally a proponent of fate orientation followed by

modern seer and proponent of advaita Ramana Maharshi

 

Both of the above conviction command respect in their respective

schools of thought

 

Hope the disussion continues?

Rahul

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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