Fate(Advaita) VS Free Will(Dvaita) - SOME SHORT THOUGHTS-East VS West A

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Dear Friends, Namaste,

 

Some humble and short thoughts from my side; to continue the

discussion;

 

- Fate/Free-will is the up to date unresolved issue of Determinism

in Western Philosophy (to the best of my knowledge).

- This is a question on Philosophy because "scientific experiments"

can not be conducted on this subject, hence the issue is approached

by logical inference e.g. philosophy. Again to the best of my

knowledge it is unresolved. E.g. whether there is fate or free will

or not, and to what extents etc.

- BUT The scriptures (subjective method of reaching reality) shed

light on this subject. In the Bhagavat Gita, it is

said; "Unfathomable is the course of action", which can be

interpreted as; the human mind can not really decide where he used

his free will, and where what happened was due to karma. E.g. the

course of events in the unfoldment of live is very very very

complicated, so we can not know which action is a reaction to past

action e.g. karma (As far as I remember, The Gita continues

as; "Even the wise are bewildered here"). Maybe an enlightened Sage

can distinguish between these two, and have some strong free will to

change the course of events, but I am sure, even they are to a large

extent subject to karma.

 

Some personal thoughts,

Best wishes,

Sabri.

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "rahul_10uday"

<rahul_10uday> wrote:

>

> The discussion abt fate & freewill never ends,anyone who is

serious

> in learning astrology eventually has to grapple with questions

> regarding fate and free will. Is our fate linked adamantly to our

> moment of birth or is there some wiggle room for free will? If so,

> how much?

>

> Obviously, astrologers can predict events, which proves there is

some

> element of fate at work. But at other times predictions fail. This

> may either be

> 1.a reflection on the astrologer's skill level,

> 2.the accuracy of the predictive system itself

> 3.there really is the elusive power of free will at play

>

> the West, feel very uncomfortable with the idea of fate or destiny

> and relish with free will. However, in India it's much

> different,it's not uncommon to hear someone resign themselves to a

> situation by simply saying "this is just my fate."

>

> However, while on the surface it may appear that Western attitude

is

> the wiser of the two, After all, how "free" really is our free

will

>

> when we're limited by our past conditioning? Usually, we're such

> creatures of habit that we can't even follow through with our new

> year's resolutions of past . Our habits are often so difficult to

> change. On the other hand, the attitude of resigning ourselves to

our

> fate could reflect a level of acceptance and trust that could be

> considered very wise.

>

> Due to the differences of cultural conditioning, generally the

> astrologers of India tend towards a fate orientation, while the

> astrologers in the West tends toward a free will orientation. And

> it's very easy to err on one side or the other

>

> However, there may be exceptions like, In some cases, telling a

> client honestly that they're entering a difficult period could

help

> them "surrender" and come to acceptance of their situation, which

> could be a positive relief if they've made continued effort to

> improve their situation to no avail,Like if u try hard for

material

> fullfillments in effected(bad) saturn period ,that much hard

saturn

> will come at u?

>

>

> The path of action, represents "Dvaita" or dualism and is

generally a

> proponent of a free will orientation followed by modern seer and

> proponent of dvaita Paramahansa Yogananda.

>

> The path of surrender or non-action, represents "Advaita" or non-

> dualism and is generally a proponent of fate orientation followed

by

> modern seer and proponent of advaita Ramana Maharshi

>

> Both of the above conviction command respect in their respective

> schools of thought

>

> Hope the disussion continues?

> Rahul