HP Theory Offers fresher/newer perspectives...Dhananjayan et al.

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Dear Dhanjayan Brahma,

May be Brahma who is vidhata might have written the fate of two

contestants in his own fashion.

You are looking at an elephant from your conceptual vision.

Self has created his own vantage point to look at the same target

with his own freshly created perspective.

May be the Hubble telescope of Tatvam-Asi may take some time to find

the right slot in this exercise but mark one thing.

HP THEORY HAS A POTENTIAL TO CHANGE OUR CONSEPTS OF ASTROLOGY.

It is just that some timeis needed , trial and error may take its

time. But self is in no hurry.

 

So let Tatvam-Asi stick to his Guns and others to Their's.

 

Tatvam-Asi

 

vedic astrology, Dhananjayan Brahma

<abhanaya> wrote:

> Tat tvam-asiji,

> Please reconsider ur predictions , Mr. Kerry winning - his exalted

saturn ( Navanayaka Raja for the 2004) in varnada lagna aspects

mercury in sree lagna, a big boost and boon to him.Also consider

Mer's shyshtyamsa placement .

> Dhananjayan.

>

> nameisego <nameisego> wrote:

>

>

>

> Dear Friends,

> As promised , self is posting part II of series in US Presiden's

> election , as seen thro' HP THEORY R4 position.

> Guru Ramadasaji has posted a rejoinder to his prediction based on

R10

> position also known as BRL position.

> In order to demonstrate versatility of predicting same thing based

on

> Rahu's position, this attemt is made using R4 or YBL position of

Rahu.

>

> JOHN KERRY

> As posted earlier, many different birth timings of John

> kerry are there. I proposed that I will discuss Vrischik

> Lagna of John Kerry using R4 position (YBL) of Rahu.

> John Kerry

>

> ARIES..........YBL

> TAURUS.........Moon, Mars

> GEMINI.........Saturn

> CANCER.........Rahu

> LEO............Jupiter

> LIBRA..........Venus

> SCORPIO........Sun..(Natl.Asc)

> SAGGI..........Mercury

> CAPRI..........Ketu

>

>

> Running Mercury-Mercury-Rahu period

>

> What the horoscope means at this juncture?

>

> EXPLANATION:

> If we take R4 position , YBL is Mesha and 4th house

> lord Moon in 2nd house is with Mars.

>

> Lagna lord and 4th lord in 2nd in exaltation will make him bid

> for living in an EXLTED HOUSE known as WHITE HOUSE.

>

> This is further confirmed from 9th lord Jupiter occupying 5th.

> This is also further confirmed from 5th lord Sun aspecting this

> exalted Moon.

>

> But whether his dreams will become reality ?

> The answer is NO..... a BIG NO.

> Why ? What are the reasons?

>

>

> He is neither running Period of Moon, Jupiter or Sun.

> He is running Budha dasa Budha bhukti.

> Budha is lord of two bad houses 3rd and 6th.

> Budha is occupying 9th house aspected by Badhakadhipati Sani and

8th

> lord Mars.

>

> Mercury is in Mula Nakshatra with Ketus of Saturn and Jupiter GUKE

> and SAKE keeing him company.

>

> Mercury in company of such Ketus will make him a pseudo Idealist

> using figures as weapon.

>

> Mercury in aspect of Saturn will make him an oscillator of Ideology

> changing

> his stand from time to time to suit his purpose.

>

> His Guru is in 5th as Bhagyadhipathi and Sukhabhagyadhipathi

(12TH) .

> And apart from being in VM,Guru is fully aspected by Saturn. Thus

his

> Bhagya is attacked by Sani (Bush)

> and Rahu (His policy on Iraq and computer /software field)

>

> His change of dasa from Sombre Sani dasa which saw him rise in

> Politics, just got over and exactly opposite natured Mercury Dasa

> in Dhanus Rasi has started.

>

> This changeover will leave him a confused politician,talking glibly.

> Why talking glibly???

>

> Because Mercury is in 2nd house in his natal chart in Mula

Nakshatra.

>

> In YBL, Mercury becomes his Opponent, the 6th lord ... meaning

Bush .

> As 6th lord , Mercury is well placed in 9th aspected by 9th lord

> Jupiter.

> Same Mercury is aspected by Satun and Mars.Thus making his

> opponent MORE CRUEL AND POWERFUL THAN HIMSELF.Thus in Tug of war,

he

> will lose.

>

> There can be some more arguements put forth against his hope to win

> US president's seat.

>

> But this should suffice.

>

> When undersigned made a prediction many months back while

discussing

> Kala sarpa yoga analysis as seen through HP Theory,which is present

> in George Bush's chart,

> it was observed that he will become next president of USA.(Fortune

> favours not so intelligents)

> Same thing is being repeated ,

> If findings of self as seen thro HP Theory hold true in this

win/lose

> situation,

>

> "JOHN KERRY WILL LOSE THIS ELECTION EVEN BEFORE THE VOTE BY

AMERICANS

> ARE CAST.

> HIS BHAGYA WILL DESERT HIM AT LAST MOMENT LIKE KARNA LOSING HIS

> KAVACH IN THE BATTLE GROUND.

> Then Krishna (Kaal or Rahu) had shown the way, here

> Mlechhas /Terrorists /Fundamentalists and Computer

jobs/professionals

> and his war response on all battle grounds ,will directly or

> indirectly see to his fall from public eye."

>

> Women , southern states and Western states would go against him.

>

> Tatvam-Asi

>

>

> -

>

> vedic astrology, "nameisego"

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Hello Friends,

> >

> > HP Theory is now on anvil and is being tested for its usefulness

> and

> > simplicity.

> > Atmasnehi Guru Ramadasa has been using it very effectively in

> > analysing charts.This is another attempt by self using R4 or YBL

> > position of Rahu. Some startling things might happen during

Kataka

> > sojourn of Saturn.

> > Today, self is posting the first of the three parts of US

election

> > analysis.

> >

> > Most of the astrologers and learned Gurus have given their

readings

> > on "THE GREAT FIGHT"between John Kerry and G.W Bush.

> > And predictably everyone except Guru Ramadasa has predicted Kerry

> to

> > carry forward the star spangled banner for the next four years.

> > Self is but a sudent of astrology trying to establish a new

system

> of

> > prediction based on Rahu centric HP theory.

> >

> > Ramadasa ji had predicted Bush to win based on Simha Lagna for

John

> > Kerry and usual Kataka Lagna for George Bush.

> > Many more birth timings of Kerry has surfaced giving Vrischik

Lagna

> > and so on .

> > The beauty of HP system is that it is not so sensitive to time

> > changes as long as Moon remains in the same rasi.

> > So , since Ramadasaji has given his predictions based on R10

> position

> > called BRL ,

> > in order to show that HP system can use any position of Rahu in

R4,

> > R1 ,R10

> > to predict the even with same result.

> >

> > As per HP, 4th house denotes Service.

> > President of USA is a paid servent .

> > Hence that is one reason, self is using R4 position of Rahu and

the

> > second reason is, R4 stands for Living quarters of the person and

> is

> > a sensitive point on that count.

> > Third most important reason to select R4 position is , Saturn's

> > ingress in Kataka Rasi which is Rahu's favourit place as per HP

> > theory.

> > So the reading given is based on R4 postion and the lagna of

Kerry

> > taken for prediction is Vrischik .

> >

> > George W Bush' chart as per R4 position with Rahu in 4th house

will

> > be as follows.

> >

> > AQUARIUS.............Ascendent (YBL)

> > CANCER ..............Natal Asc.

> > TAURUS...............Rahu

> > CANCER...............Sat, Ven, Merc

> > LEO..................Mars

> > VIRGO................Jup,Moon

> > SCORPIO..............Ketu

> > Dasa ................Sat-Jup-Venus

> >

> > Salient points of the horoscopes are as follows.

> > He has a very strong 6th house placement of Saturn

> > Mars is his Parakramadhipati in 7th

> > And lord of 6th Moon in 8th aspected by Saturn.

> > Venus is his 4th and 9th lord is with Lagnadhipati and 5th lord

> > Mercury in 6th.

> > Sun, the 7th lord in 5th in VM.

> >

> > What this means ?

> > It means, he will use every trick available to him to win this

> > election.

> > As his opponent is in VM sign and his 3rd lord Mars is in 7th,

> > He will completely overpower his opponent as the fight progresses.

> >

> > Decisive help will come from Rahu which aspects his 7th house

> > with reverse aspect which has Mars in Leo in it.

> >

> > A SURPRISE IN THE FORM OF MAY BE OSAMA BIN LADEN'S CAPTURE

> > or an Attack by so called FUNDAMENTALISTS and George Bush's

actions

> > there of would swing the scales in his favour.

> >

> > What prompts for such deduction?

> > Kataka Rasi transit of Saturn is a direct attack by Saturn

> > on most preferred place of Rahu , which is 4th sign/4th house

> >

> > His (Prez Bush's) domain is over most Americans who are not

> bothered

> > about foreign policy .

> > The only language they know is Gun and the only problems they

> > understand are

> > problems of local issues to their world.(America).

> >

> > Intelligentia are a minority spread in east and west coast but

rest

> > of America

> > is a playground for people like Bush . These voters would rather

> > watch a football game than

> > hear political speeches by Kerry and Bush.

> > Virginians would prefer to hear about Christianity and war than

> > foreign policy.

> >

> > Hence He will again raise the bogie of satanic forces out to

> destroy

> > America in next 30 days .

> > Or produce/attack Osama Bi Laden or something more explosive

> > happening in Middle east and

> > create an opportunity to show his strong arm to the American

> public .

> >

> > To be contd....

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, Ramadas Rao

>

> > wrote:

> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------

> > > Ramadas Rao

> > > Sat, 2 Oct 2004 19:06:41 +0100 (BST)

> > > Fwd: Re: My analysis on the two Presidential candidates

> > > ramadasrao@g...

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Note: forwarded message attached.

> > >

> > > India Matrimony: Find your life partner online.

> > >

> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------

> > > Ramadas Rao

> > > Rao Nemani

> > > Sun, 26 Sep 2004 20:16:59 +0100 (BST)

> > > Re: My analysis on the two Presidential candidates

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ` nmae naray[ay,

> > >

> > > om namo näräyaëäya|

> > >

> > > Dear Rao,

> > >

> > > I had gone through your analysis of both charts and I would

like

> to

> > > comment on my part through HP Rahu's Centric Theory.

> > >

> > > Now what is Rahu Centric Theory ? Rahu is a badhaka for one's

> Karma

> > as

> > > 10th is between 9th and 11th.9th is Bhagya Sthana and 11th is

> Labha

> > > Shana.Rahu is the planet of Maya or Illusion and he makes us

false

> > > promises.Rahu works like Shani,so he casts aspects like Shani

> > > ie.,3rd,7th and 10th house.Now Rahu is also Serpent.A serpent

> widens

> > > its mouth about 3 times to swallow its prey.Similarly as Rahu

is

> > also

> > > a Serpent,the houses before and next to Rahu also have the

> poisons

> > of

> > > Rahu and hence these 2 houses are called Visha Mukha planets

and

> any

> > > planets there are called Visha Mukha planets.They give only evil

> > > results.The same results can be had from Ketu and the 2 houses

> > before

> > > and next to Ketu.Now using these principles let me analyse the

> > charts

> > > of both presdient contestants in USA.

> > >

> > > Now let me analyse 1st the chart of George Bush.As per his

> chart,the

> > > natal Lagna is Kataka with Rahu in 11th house.Now considering

> Rahu

> > in

> > > 10th house, count the houses backwards and we get Simha as

Badha

> > Rahu

> > > Lagna or BRL.So Shani becomes 6th and 7th lord, Guru becomes

5th

> and

> > > 8th lord,Chandra becomes 12th lord.Shukra is 3rd and 10th lord

> and

> > is

> > > the lord of sign occupied by Rahu.Now 12th from BRl, we have

> Budha ,

> > > Shukra and Shani .Kuja is in BRL.Now during Shani -Rahu between

> > > 10-12-1999 and 1-10-2002 ( using 360 days per year ) Bush won

the

> > > elections and became the President of America.here the reason

was

> > > Shani being 6th lord placed in 12th along with Shukra,the 3rd

> lord

> > and

> > > 10th lord aspected by Rahu gave him powers due to Vipareetha

Raja

> > > Yoga.Now Shani - Guru is running from 01/10/2002 to

> > 31/03/2005.During

> > > the time of elections,Kuja's Pratyanatara is running from

> 22/09/2004

> > > to 14/11/2004.Kuja is the 4th and 9th lord from BRL placed in

> > > Lagna.Guru is 5th and 8th lord placed in 2nd house, along with

> > > Chandra.Here again both Guru and Chandra form Vipareetha raja

> > Yoga.Now

> > > Mesha becomes AL for BRL Simha and Kuja becomes the lord of AL

> from

> > > this BRL and is aspected by Rahu by his backwards 10th

> aspect.dasha

> > > Lord Shani aspects the Antar Dasha lord Guru and Shani's sign

> > > dispositor Chandra also.Shani also aspects AL from BRL.So

> > considering

> > > all these points, it can be deduced that George Bush will again

> win

> > in

> > > the next elections and become the President of USA.Also Guru in

> > > transit crosses over his Natal Guru and aspects natal Rahu and

all

> > > these indicate his gain in the elections again.

> > >

> > > Now coming to Kerry's chart, his natal Lagna is Simha with Guru

in

> > > that indicating he is a truthful person and dont know how to

> > > manipulate things with common man.Here badha Rahu Lagna will be

> Tula

> > > where its lord Shukra himself is there.Here Shani (V) is

occupied

> > 12th

> > > from rahu indicating he is a Visha Mukha planet.Similarly Guru

is

> in

> > > 2nd to Rahu indicating another Visha Mukha Planet.Shani is a

Yoga

> > > Karaka for this BRL Tula but Guru becomes a malefic being the

> lord

> > of

> > > 3rd and 6th from BRL.Pratyanatara dasha lord Kuja is 7th and

2nd

> > lord

> > > placed in 8th along with Chandra indicating mass or people.At

the

> > time

> > > of elections,Shani- Guru-Kuja is running from 09/10/2004 to

> > > 02/12/2004.As explained above Shani and Guru are Visha Mukha

> planets

> > > and Kuja is in 8th from BRL along with Chandra who is the sign

> > > dispositor for Rahu ,all indicate his failure in the US

> Presidential

> > > elections.

> > >

> > > I hope this helps you.

> > >

> > > With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

> > >

> > > Ramadas Rao.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Rao Nemani wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > >

> > > Namaste Guru Ji,

> > >

> > > Here are the two messages, I have posted in VA list Y'day.

> Please

> > go

> > > thru my anlaysis and give your guidance. I have used a

different

> > birth

> > > details of Kerry's, which are publicly available as this was

> given

> > to

> > > me by Sat Siri Khalsa Ji, in turn she got it directly from Kerry

> > > himself.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Raghunatha Rao

> > >

> > > ----- First Message 44598 ----

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > >

> > > Namaste Gurus and Learned Members,

> > >

> > > Today, I have attempted to see on a very focused way of 2004

> > upcoming

> > > Presidential Candidates (two native Bush and Kerry) charts. As

> > usual,

> > > I applied few different methods to see the result, so that I

could

> > > verify the things.

> > >

> > > Please have a look at this analysis and correct me wherever I am

> > > wrong, so that I can learn from your replies.

> > >

> > > Bush-1:-

> > > =======

> > >

> > > I have considered the following birth details of Bush for this

> > analysis:-

> > >

> > > July 6, 1946

> > > Time: 7:27:00

> > > Time Zone: 4:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > Place: 72 W 55' 43", 41 N 18' 29"

> > > New Haven, Connecticut, USA

> > >

> > > From V-Dasa's:-

> > > ==============

> > > This native is running Sat-Jup-Merc and election date is 2nd

Nov

> > 2004,

> > > so the Merc Pratyantar Dasa will be running during the election

> day

> > > also.

> > >

> > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> > >

> > > Sat MD: 1987-05-14 (8:58:50) - 2006-05-13 (23:33:38)

> > > Jup AD: 2003-10-31 (16:48:59) - 2006-05-13 (23:33:38)

> > > Merc PD: 2004-07-27 (13:47:01) - 2004-12-05 (15:44:20)

> > >

> > > Here the Jup is 6th and 9th lord placed in 3rd house with Lagna

> Lord

> > > Moon and being aspected by Rahu, who is 8th co-lord placed in

11th

> > > house.

> > >

> > > Merc is the 3rd and 12th lord placed in Lagna with 4th and 11th

> > lord

> > > Venus along with 7th and 8th Lord Saturn. Lagna also have Mandi

> and

> > > SL. Cn is being aspcted by Rahu, A3 ( From Ta) and Ketu,GL and

AL

> > from

> > > Sc and A5 from 8th house Aq too.

> > >

> > > Bush-2:-

> > > =======

> > > Let us see from my favourite Narayana Dasa point of View:-

> > >

> > > D-1:-

> > > ====

> > >

> > > The native will be running the following D-1 Narayana Dasa

during

> > the

> > > election time:-

> > >

> > > Narayana Dasa of D-1 chart (a versatile phalita rasi dasa):

> > >

> > > Pi MD: 2000-07-05 (9:43:48) - 2006-07-05 (20:39:00)

> > > Sc AD: 2004-07-05 (9:00:36) - 2005-01-03 (23:55:12)

> > > Cp PD: 2004-10-19 (21:42:27) - 2004-11-04 (2:57:00)

> > >

> > > Sc Antar Dasa is in 5th house with GL and AL. Ketu the Antar

Dasa

> > > co-lord is placed in Antar Dasa it self and the Mars the other

> Lord

> > > placed in Le with HL. Sc is 9th from the Pi Dasa Rasi too.

> > >

> > > Cp Pratyantar Dasa is 7th from lagna and 10th from Pi Dasa and

3rd

> > > from Sc Antar Dasa. Cp Lord Sat is placed in Lagna and aspcting

> the

> > Sc

> > > and also aspecting the Cp rasi too. Here you will notice that

GL

> and

> > > SL are mutually aspecting. Bhoga of Cp is Li and having argala

> from

> > Le

> > > where Mar (Sc Antar Dasa's Lord) and HL is placed there. So

with

> > this

> > > I can see a connection between GL,SL and HL on Cp's Bhoga and

> this

> > is

> > > a very good indication to be successful in his election.

> > >

> > >

> > > So summary from here is Sc-Cn-Ar is a potentially good for his

> > success.

> > >

> > > D-10:-

> > > =====

> > >

> > > The native will be running the following D-10 Narayana Dasa:-

> > >

> > > Narayana Dasa of D-10 chart (a versatile phalita rasi dasa):

> > >

> > > Cp MD: 2004-07-05 (9:00:36) - 2008-07-05 (8:17:24)

> > > Ar AD: 2004-07-05 (9:00:36) - 2004-11-04 (2:57:00)

> > > Sg PD: 2004-10-24 (23:27:18) - 2004-11-04 (2:57:00)

> > >

> > > Cp Maha Dasa which is 7th from D-10 Lagna and its Paaka is Ar

and

> > its

> > > Bhoga is also Ar. Antar Dasa Ar is 10th from D-10 Lagna and 4th

> from

> > > Cp Maha Dasa. Its Paaka is placed in Cp ( maha dasa sign) along

> with

> > > Jup who is 6th and 9th lord ). Cp is being aspected by AL from

> Ta.

> > Its

> > > Bhoga D-10 Lagna itself and being aspected by HL from Aq. D-10

> Lagna

> > > have A10, A3 and A11 too.

> > >

> > > Now let us see the Sg Pratynar Dasa. Sg is 6th house from D-10

> and

> > it

> > > is 12th from Maha Dasa and 9th from Ar Antar Dasa. Sg has D-10

> Lagna

> > > Lord moon, 2nd lord Sun and 3rd and 11th lord Venus along with

GL

> > and

> > > Gulika.

> > > Sg's Paaka is Cp which is nothing but Maha Dasa itself and its

> Bhoga

> > > is Aq which has HL and A6 and A4 in it. This Aq is aspecting Ar

> > where

> > > its own lord Sat is placed, also aspecting Li where SL is

placed

> and

> > > lastly aspecting the D-10 Lagna too.

> > > So this is a very good combination too.

> > >

> > > Bush-3:-

> > > =======

> > >

> > > Padanaathaamsa Dasa:-

> > > =====================

> > > Here I am taking the Padanaathaamsa Dasa and will try to analyse

> > > whether there are any indication for his success.

> > >

> > > Padanaathaamsa Dasa of D-1 chart (a versatile phalita rasi

dasa):

> > >

> > > Li MD: 1998-07-05 (22:05:24) - 2007-07-06 (2:28:12)

> > > Ar AD: 2004-07-05 (9:00:36) - 2005-04-05 (7:22:30)

> > > Cp PD: 2004-10-27 (12:19:43) - 2004-11-19 (8:11:33)

> > >

> > > Ar Antar Dasa which is 6th from AL and its paaka is Le which is

> 10th

> > > from AL. AL's lord Mars is placed in Le which is nothing but

the

> > Ar's

> > > paaka lagna and HL is also placed there. You will also notice

> that

> > HL.

> > > This Mars is aspecting AL and GL too.

> > >

> > > Now Cp Pratyantar Dasa is 3rd from AL and its Paaka is D-1

Lagna

> and

> > > this is placed in 9th from AL itself. You will also notice that

Sc

> > > where AL is placed is aspecting Cp ( Pratyantar Dasa), Ar

(Antar

> > Dasa)

> > > and Cn (D-1 lagna along with SL) by Rasi Drishti, which is

> > connecting

> > > all the dasa and GL and SL too.

> > > So this is also indicating a good time ahead.

> > >

> > > Bush-4:-

> > > =======

> > >

> > > Let me take the Tithi Pravesha to verify the above indications

and

> > > close my analysis with this.

> > >

> > > Annual T.P:-

> > > ===========

> > > June 25, 2004

> > > Time: 20:52:13

> > > Time Zone: 4:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > Place: 72 W 55' 43", 41 N 18' 29"

> > > New Haven, Connecticut, USA

> > >

> > > Here the Hora Lord is Merc and he is 7th and 10th lord placed

in

> 7th

> > > house which is its own house along with 9th lord Sun and 2nd

and

> 3rd

> > > lord Sat, so that is good. Merc is aspecting lagna too. Gulika

and

> > > Mandi are placed in Pi and HL and Moon are placed in vi are

> > aspecting

> > > Lagna and Hora Lord too. Jup is aspecting Lagna by Graha

Drishti.

> > >

> > > Lagna is placed in 6/8 with the Natal Lagna which is not a very

> > good indication.

> > >

> > > Vaara Lord is Venus (Vakra), who is 6th and 11th lord placed in

> its

> > > own house in Ta.

> > >

> > > Monthly T.P:-

> > > ===========

> > > October 20, 2004

> > > Time: 23:20:18

> > > Time Zone: 4:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > Place: 72 W 55' 43", 41 N 18' 29"

> > > New Haven, Connecticut, USA

> > >

> > > Here the Hora Lord is Sat and he is 7th and 8th lord placed in

> > Lagna,

> > > so that is good. Moon and Sat has Parivartana hence Moon

behaves

> > like

> > > as if it is in itw own house in Lagna too. This combination is

> being

> > > aspected by GL and HL from Aq by Rasi Drishti. Sat is aspecting

> 10th

> > > house where SL, AL and Rahu are placed.

> > >

> > > Lagna is Cn which is same as the Natal Lagna which is very good

> > indication.

> > >

> > > Vaara Lord is Merc, who is 3rd and 12th Lord Placed in 4th

house

> > with

> > > 2nd lord Sun and 5th co-lord Ketu.

> > >

> > > Now looking at the Tithi Astottari Dasa:

> > >

> > > Tithi Ashtottari Dasa of Janma tithi (useful especially in Tithi

> > > Pravesha charts):

> > >

> > > Maha Dasas:

> > >

> > > Rah: 2004-10-18 (17:27:26) - 2004-10-21 (18:08:25)

> > > Ven: 2004-10-21 (18:08:25) - 2004-10-27 (9:10:32)

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