Guest guest Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 || Om Gurave Namah || Dear Mukund, Let me explain with my student knowledge of Sanskrit. 'Hare' is the 8th form of the noun 'Hari'. 8th form of the noun is called sambhodanam meaning to address or call a person. All words ending with 'ee' as in Hari have similar declenations. For Example 'kavi'(poet) declination is also similar. 1st form 'kaviH' for use as subject 2nd form 'kavim.h' for use as object 3rd form kavinA instrumental form, (for english word 'by' is used ) 4th form kavaye 5th form kaveH 6th form kaveH 7th form kavau 8th form kave use to address or call (similar to Hari/Hare). Rama and Krishna is also in Sambhodana Vibhkati forms. so basically with mantra like 'hare rama krishna' you call Hari, Rama and Krishna respectively. (refer http://sanskrit.gde.to/learning_tools/noun.itx for more on declinations of noun) 'Ha' is Akaasha beeja used both for Hara (shiva) and Hanumaan. Hari can also mean shiva, vishnu, Fire, Indra etc. Rama is solar energy.And Krishna is Lunar energy. So words Hare,Rama,Krishna invoke Fire,Sun and moon all the prime light givers. Warm Regards Sanjay P. vedic astrology, "monmuk111" <monmuk111> wrote: > > Dear Gentlepeople: > > In Sanskrit, "Har" means "take" or "kill.Hare" means "to take > away" or "to kill." > > So, "Hare Krishna" translated word for word in English would have a > rather unsusal meaning, i.e. "take away Krishna." > > I'm sure I'm making a mistake here so can some learned person tell > me/group what is meant when I say "Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna; > Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare." > > I've been reapting this at my local ISKCON temple because everyone > else is, but don't know what it actually means. > > Thanks. > Mukund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 Hello Sanjay: You've explained this so nicely and thoroughly. Thank you. Mukund vedic astrology, sanjay@s... wrote: > > || Om Gurave Namah || > Dear Mukund, > Let me explain with my student knowledge of Sanskrit. > > 'Hare' is the 8th form of the noun 'Hari'. > > 8th form of the noun is called sambhodanam meaning to address or call > a person. > > All words ending with 'ee' as in Hari have similar declenations. For > Example 'kavi'(poet) declination is also similar. > > 1st form 'kaviH' for use as subject > 2nd form 'kavim.h' for use as object > 3rd form kavinA instrumental form, (for english word 'by' is used ) > 4th form kavaye > 5th form kaveH > 6th form kaveH > 7th form kavau > 8th form kave use to address or call (similar to Hari/Hare). > > Rama and Krishna is also in Sambhodana Vibhkati forms. > so basically with mantra like 'hare rama krishna' you call Hari, Rama > and Krishna respectively. > > (refer http://sanskrit.gde.to/learning_tools/noun.itx for more on > declinations of noun) > > 'Ha' is Akaasha beeja used both for Hara (shiva) and Hanumaan. Hari > can also mean shiva, vishnu, Fire, Indra etc. > > Rama is solar energy.And Krishna is Lunar energy. > So words Hare,Rama,Krishna invoke Fire,Sun and moon all the prime > light givers. > > > Warm Regards > Sanjay P. vedic astrology, "monmuk111" <monmuk111> > wrote: > > > > Dear Gentlepeople: > > > > In Sanskrit, "Har" means "take" or "kill.Hare" means "to take > > away" or "to kill." > > > > So, "Hare Krishna" translated word for word in English would have a > > rather unsusal meaning, i.e. "take away Krishna." > > > > I'm sure I'm making a mistake here so can some learned person tell > > me/group what is meant when I say "Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna; > > Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare." > > > > I've been reapting this at my local ISKCON temple because everyone > > else is, but don't know what it actually means. > > > > Thanks. > > Mukund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 Hello Pandit Gada-dhara: First and foremost, thanks for taking the time to answer my question. I read your answer several times; however, it comes across as a lot of contradicting mumbo-jumbo that the million different god-men and god-women in Hindustan are feeding the masses. You're calling my simple attempt to understand the meaning of the chant "Hare Krishna" an apradh (a crime). Why is it a crime to attempt to translate a mantra? I'm a Hindu and a Brahmin who was born and rasied along side discussion of scriptures and Bhagwad Gita in my home and I've NEVER EVER hear Radha (Shri Krisna's sweetheart) being addressed or known as "Hare." Well, to each his own. You/your school of thought is entitled to the mumbo-jumbo about translation being an Apradh, etc. etc. Bhagvad Gita has been translated in many different languages, have the tranlators committed a crime? I find the translation provided by Sanjay Prabhakar more appleaing and acceptable. Once more, thanks for taking the time to answer my question. Mukund vedic astrology, "gadadhar108" <gadadhar108> wrote: > > > Dear Mukund, people interperet the Hare Krishna Maha Mantra in different ways > according to their level of spiritual adhikara (avancement). There are three stages in > the chanting of Sri Krishna Nama. No:1 is Nama Aparadha or chanting the Name while > simultaneously comitting offence. Ten offences exist in the japa or kirtan of Sri > Krishnas Name and bhaktas endeavor to avoid these. Offence number five is to > attempt to interperet the Name by dictionary definition or through grammatical rules > and theory. Although Nama Aparadha is the lowest stage of Sri Krishnas Name, its > recitation brings dharma, artha and kama. No:2 is Nama Abhasa or a hazy realisation > of Hari Nama which is an intermediate stage where aparadha is absent but Sri Nama > has not yet revealed Himself entirely. Nama Abhasa gives one moksha. No:3 is Suddha > Nama when Bhagavans Name appears to the bhakta in its purest form. If a devotee > after accepting Hari Nama initiation from Sri Guru then practices his Nama Sadhana > with an attitude of humility, tolerance and giving honour to others (without desiring > honour for oneself) and without comitting offences, then he may by the grace of Guru > reach the platform of Suddha Nama. Suddha Nama gives one Krishna Prema. This is > pure loving service unto the Lotus Feet of Sri Sri Radha and Krishna. > Sri Krishna posesses three major energies (1 ) Cit sakti (spiritual energy) (2) Tatashta > or Jiva Sakti (marginal energy) and (3) Maya sakti (illusory energy). Inside Cit sakti as > its highest pleasure priciple (anandam) is an energy named Hladini sakti. Srimati > Radharani is the creator, personification and very essence of this sakti and Her name > is Hara. "Hare" is an address to and invocation of Cit sakti then Hladini sakti and then > Hara Devi (Srimati Radharani) Herself. Hare Krishna = Radha Krishna. > Then in the Mantra we have the name "Rama". As the Vaisnava Bhakta progresses on > the path of bhakti, his conciousness gradually rises through the material sratosphere > on through the non-dualistic plane of Brahman then past the abode of Mahadeva and > on in to Ayodhyaloka and Vaikunthaloka. A devotee in Ayodhya will see the name > "Rama" in the Hare Krishna Maha Mantra as denoting Sri Ramachandraji the husband > of Sita Devi and the life and soul of Hanuman. Where as a devotee who has reached > further to the Vaikuntha planets of Sri Sri Lakshmi Narayana will interperet "Rama" in > the Maha Mantra to mean Balarama the elder brother of Sri Krishna and the origin of > the three Maha Visnu's. This idea also applies for bhaktas in Dwaraka Lila. But as with > "Hare" and "Krishna", the deepest inner meaning of "Rama" in the Mantra is found in > Goloka Vrindavana where bhakti reaches its zenith of purity and intensity. Ultimately > the Maha Mantra is designed to take the devotee to Vrindavan. Here in Vrindavana > "Rama" refers to Ramana as in Sri Sri Radha Ramana. He who gives ecstacy to the > bhaktas. As Bhagavana says in the Gita 10:9 tusyanti ca ramanti ca. > There is so much more to be said but I hope this helps you a little. Dandabat Pranams, > Gadadhara Pandit Dasa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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