Guest guest Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 Dear Chandrashekar ji, That is so interesting, I have never so far come across a situation whereby my lagna was suggested differently. Yes, that is the accurate co-ordinates for Madras, India. But I get 18 degrees odd of Aquarius using the co-ordinates for the time of 2:32 PM. Please let me know if the Capricorn lagna is definite. Chandrashekarji, to address the other part regarding chart-reading based on single planets, I think it is a disgrace that such an approach was used in this forum in front of such learned members as yourself, Shri Narasimha Rao ji, Shri Ramadas Rao ji, Tatvam-Asi ji and so forth. (Please excuse my fun-making here, but I think if this is right, then the single placement of Guru Bhagwan alone in my chart, is capable of making me eligible for 'moksha' candidacy since he is such a divine planet ;-)) Please let me know regarding the lagna when your time permits. It is so nice of you to take an interest in seeing my chart. Thank-you so much for the same. Kind regards, Jayashree vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > Dear Jayashree, > May I know what co-ordinates you are using for Chennai? If 80E17 13N05 > are used your Rahu comes to Lagna in Capricorn 27.46.49. Are you certain > your horoscope haas Rahu in 12th? Am I making some mistake in the data? > New version of JHHora lite appears to have Center of Sin's disc on > Eastern horizon as default, though personally I like tip of Sun's disc > truly on Eastern horizon. Even so the Lagna is not likely to change by > about 2.5 degrees in that time. > Would you confirm whether the chart is right? I am attaching it for your > ready reference in JHD format. Of course, personally, I do not think > everyone with Rahu in 12th would have all bad habits, since much would > depend on Rasi occupied and planets conjunct as well as strength of > Lagna.I have seen many with a very pious life with that position of > Rahu. The mail is not in that context. > Chandrashekhar. > > Jayashree wrote: > > > > > Dear Shri Vishwanatham, > > > > Apologies for a delayed response again. I'm into my 8th month of > > pregnancy and I'm kind-of panicked and terrified by the predictions > > for Rahu in 12. I'm brought up in a somewhat traditional family and > > also I have a tendency to worry a lot. Also at work for the past 1 > > month, there's been heavy workload and worries/hassles due to that. > > When I read the 12th Rahu having some disastrous results, it > > automatically put me in a 'hurt/panic' mode, afterall one of the > > most wonderful things that have happened to me is my hubby and my > > beautiful child (soon going to be 2 of them in 1 more month). They > > are important to me more than my life. If you can give your views on > > what my 12th house Rahu signifies in my chart, that would be great > > help to me. I think god is always with me to protect me, but I want > > to hear a Jyotishi's view also. I noticed my Rahu/Ketu are > > in 'Kalinasa' sashtyamsa who is a benefic, ('kalinaasa' was > > malefic). My dob is Oct 31st 1971, 2:32 PM, Chennai. Sorry for a > > late reply, but I couldn't write earlier. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jayashree > > vedic astrology, "vishwanatham" > > <vishwanatham@r...> wrote: > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > Dear Jayashree, > > > > > > You have always been nice to people on this group. i was only > > saying > > > what you had said, i.e., Rahu in 12th alone is not sufficient and > > as > > > always with any dictum is influenced by several other factors! > > > > > > Can you post your birth details to see why you feel so. > > > > > > Thanks for your mail. > > > > > > regards > > > viswanadham > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Jayashree" > > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote: > > > > Vishwanatham ji, > > > > > > > > I'm sorry for a very delayed response. I guess the suggestion to > > > > check the sashtyamsa was hinted at me. I have to admit I'm no > > > > jyotishi but a (self-taught) learner, the reason I keep quiet > > > without > > > > participating much most of the time.It just so happened that in > > > this > > > > thread, having been a person of lofty ideals and strong > > > moral/ethical > > > > values all through my life, there was sudden insurgency of a > > strong > > > > impulse to speak up against what I felt was wrong/incorrect, > > > atleast > > > > in my case. Since every time I speak up, I immediately run into > > a > > > > mentally drained/exhausted and introspective state of analyzing > > the > > > > pros and cons of speaking up thus. I think "not to speak up" is > > > > ultimately the right thing to do afterall, and because of this > > > > reason, I have decided not even to visit this forum for a long > > > while > > > > to come. For example, I have seen O'Reilly shows where he has > > > > commented negatively on the atmosphere at India, and Hinduism > > > > adversely for so many times. While each time I do feel the same > > > > impulse to speak up against it, I ultimately keep quiet since I > > > > cannot do anything. I once sent a long write-up protesting > > against > > > a > > > > column in Boston Globe Sunday article against Engineers from > > India, > > > > but that never showed up anywhere for some reason :-(. Well, I > > > guess > > > > that's me and its time to change afterall. > > > > > > > > I apologize for this non-astrological message. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Jayashree > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "vishwanatham" > > > > <vishwanatham@r...> wrote: > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > Please have a look at the shashtiamsa of the planet to see > > what > > > > kind > > > > > of karma the planet is carrying from the past life. That > > requires > > > > > some amount of BT accuracy. So we need to pause.... > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > viswanadham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Jayashree" > > > > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote: > > > > > > Mukundji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I wasn't trying to prove anything. I was rather trying > > > > > to "disprove" > > > > > > what your statement "tried to prove" w.r.t Rahu's placement > > in > > > > 12th > > > > > > house for the entire populace that comes under its umbrella. > > > And > > > > I > > > > > am > > > > > > justified in having proven my salt's worth for whatever this > > > holy > > > > > > planet has blessed me with, for being a happy self. > > > > > > > > > > > > Allowing myself a little liberty(!) so to speak, I guess > > > > > > reciting "Manthra-Raja Pada Stothram" should greatly benefit > > > you, > > > > > > since Rahu casts 2nd argala (I don't know if this is > > obstructed > > > > or > > > > > > unobstructed) being placed in Mars' house and also Mars > > aspects > > > > > your > > > > > > Sani. This stothram is considered the "King of all > > stothrams". > > > > > > > > > > > > Bye now. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Jayashree > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "monmuk111" > > > > > <monmuk111> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hello Jayashree: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've read the notes you've posted attempting to prove > > > > that "Rahu > > > > > is > > > > > > > 12th" doesn't always cause bondage, sexual immorality and > > > > > illegaly > > > > > > > obtained wealth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I agree the the "Rahu in 12th" results are greatly > > > > modified > > > > > by > > > > > > > the placement in a good rashi, i.e. Gemini, Virgo, Taurus > > and > > > > > > Aries. > > > > > > > I also agree that the nature of "Rahu in 12th" is somewhat > > > > > modified > > > > > > > by its placement in a good nakshatra (Jupiter ruled > > > nakshatras). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Firstly, "Planet in house" dictum never fails. > > > Secondly "Planet > > > > > in > > > > > > > Rashi" dictum never fails. These two are enough for a > > broad- > > > > brush > > > > > > > prediction. Thereafter, one can apply all the high-level > > > mumbo- > > > > > > jumbo > > > > > > > WHICH usually fails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only high-level mumbo-jumbo that I've seen give > > > consistent > > > > > > > results is Sanjay Rath's notes about predicting nature of > > > > spouse > > > > > > and > > > > > > > the quaility of marriage based on Upapada Lagna and > > > > > planets/rashis > > > > > > in > > > > > > > 2nd and 12th from Upapada. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See, in the case of Paul Macartney, he DID have to go > > > > > > > through "bondage" like situation as his wife was > > frequently > > > > > > > hospitalized and he had to care for her. -- See, Rahu in > > 12th > > > > > > dictum > > > > > > > didn't fail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekanada's chart confuses me. I know a woman with > > > Rahu > > > > in > > > > > > > 12th in Scorpio, this woman has the worst character in the > > > > world-- > > > > > > she > > > > > > > sells herself, lies, steals, does everthing that the > > society > > > > > frowns > > > > > > > upon as long as her actions benefit her--she also has Sun > > in > > > > > > > Mooltrikona in 9th house, but this great placement seems > > to > > > > have > > > > > > been > > > > > > > compeltely eclipsed by debilitated Rahu in 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, don't worry about your Rahu too much--it is well- > > > > disposited > > > > > by > > > > > > > the Lagna lord who again is well placed. Well, in your > > case, > > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > is in a friendly rashi in the throne who becomes a good > > > > > protector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have Saturn in 5th in the enemy Rashi of Pisces and > > > evertime > > > > I > > > > > go > > > > > > > through Saturn Anatara-pratyantara, my life turns upside > > down- > > > - > > > > > see, > > > > > > > the dictum about bad effects of Shani in 5th doesn't fail > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mukund > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Jayashree" > > > > > > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Mukundji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consider the chart of Swami Vivekananda. His chart comes > > > with > > > > > JHL > > > > > > > > 6.0. He has debilitated Rahu in Scorpio in 12th house. > > His > > > > > > Sanyasa > > > > > > > > Marga does not need my re-introduction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, based on the info provided by another member, > > > consider > > > > > the > > > > > > > > chart of Paul McCartney. His chart has Rahu with Gulika > > in > > > 12 > > > > > in > > > > > > > Leo. > > > > > > > > As I read his life history yesterday, I came to know his > > > wife > > > > > > > fought > > > > > > > > and eventually was given away to Breast Cancer. This I > > > would > > > > > > > > attribute to being indicated by Jup, McCartney's 4/7th > > lord > > > > > > > acquiring > > > > > > > > Kendradipathi dosha placed in 10th house and in A7 > > > conjoining > > > > > > Sun, > > > > > > > > the dispositor of Rahu with Gulika in 12th house. > > > > Nevertheless, > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > goes without further saying that his wife hasn't > > > > > > afterall "suffered > > > > > > > > hospitalization along with extra-marital affairs along > > with > > > > > > earning > > > > > > > > money through unfair means". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart : Oct 31 1971, 2:32 PM, Madras, Rahu is > > co- > > > > lord > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Aquarius lagna, placed in another of Sani's houses > > thereby > > > > > > strongly > > > > > > > > signifying Sanidev, and placed in 6th lord (waxing) > > Moon's > > > > star > > > > > > in > > > > > > > 2, > > > > > > > > having healthy trinal relationship with dispositor and > > > > lagnesh > > > > > > Sani > > > > > > > > where Sani is also placed in a friendly sign in a > > kendra. > > > > Also > > > > > to > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > noted that Rahu is devoid of any further malefic aspects > > or > > > > > > > > associations such as Gulika or Mandi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jayashree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Jayashree" > > > > > > > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Mukundji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't agree with you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a different question whether someone ascends > > > > > > > spiritually > > > > > > > > > in a birth or not. However, sinful activities such as > > > > murder, > > > > > > > > > adultery, cruelty to children/animals/others are the > > > > > resultant > > > > > > > > > of 'poorva paap'. While Rahu will assist in unfolding > > the > > > > > > sinful > > > > > > > > > deeds or poorva paap, Rahu is nevertheless 'not' the > > > > > indicator > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > accumulated sins. Infact, no single planet can be. It > > > > should > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > be indicated by the affliction to certain key- houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the lady's chart, though Mars is well-placed as > > lord > > > of > > > > > > poorva > > > > > > > > > punya in Swa-kshetra, the presence of Mercury who is > > > > 3rd/12th > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > and dispositor of Rahu/Gulika/Mandi in the 5th, and > > the > > > > > > > affliction > > > > > > > > > to jala-tattwa planet Venus by two fiery planets Mars > > and > > > > > Sun, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > the affliction to natural lord of intellect Budha by > > the > > > > same > > > > > > > fiery > > > > > > > > > planets in the house of intellect, along with a Sasa > > yoga > > > > > > caused > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > malefic Saturn on the Kalathra-Bhava show the poorva- > > > paap. > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > helped in unfolding this poorva-paap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu plays a key-role in giving materialistic fruits > > and > > > > > helps > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > grow ahamkara/moha and Vanity. Where Rahu is placed in > > > the > > > > > > house > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > loss, this causes a deficiency that can manifest as > > delay > > > > in > > > > > > > > > fructification of the fruits of one's efforts. This is > > > what > > > > a > > > > > > > stand- > > > > > > > > > alone Rahu is capable of producing and *nothing more*. > > > > Where > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > native's chart has collective good karma, along a > > > different > > > > > > view, > > > > > > > > > Rahu as in 12th house causing delays and obstacles is > > > > > conducive > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > breaking lethargy and tamo-guna to work harder which > > is > > > > good > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > native in the long-run. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my view and I do not differ wee-bit from my > > > earlier > > > > > > > stand. > > > > > > > > > Though I'm not versed in Jyotish formally, my > > instincts > > > > tell > > > > > me > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > is the right answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jayashree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "monmuk111" > > > > > > > > <monmuk111> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello Jayashree: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I remember you have Rahu in 12th and couple of years > > > back > > > > > you > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > told me that your life events/experience doesn't fit > > > the > > > > > > dictum > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in 12th. You may be an exception; however, in a > > > few > > > > > > cases > > > > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > > > > seen, this dictum doesn't fail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've seen Rahu in 12th causing bondage of some sort-- > > > > > > difficult > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > predict, but could be in form of hospitalization or > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > imprisonment or bondage like situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've seen Rahu in 12th causing the native to earn a > > lot > > > > of > > > > > > > money, > > > > > > > > > > usually through illegal or underhanded activities, > > for > > > > > which > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > native usually gets caught and punished or maligned. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've seen Rahu in 12th causing the person to ignore > > > > > societal > > > > > > > > norms > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > ones behavior. Sexual excesses and adultry are a > > form > > > of > > > > > > breach > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > societal norms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, I know you haven't experienced/behaved in any > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > above > > > > > > > > > > situation with your 12th house Rahu, but in my > > little > > > > > > > experience, > > > > > > > > > > I've seen this dictum does come true and that's what > > > I've > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I've said isn't the universal truth. There are > > > > > > exceptions > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > there are exceptions to the exceptions. What I've > > noted > > > > is > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > generality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're still very young, lot of life is yet to be > > > > > > experienced. > > > > > > > > > Let's > > > > > > > > > > hope it doesn't come true in your case as you're > > such a > > > > > nice > > > > > > > > > person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mukund > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- astrology, "Jayashree" > > > > > > > > > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Mukundji & list, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may not be the best interest of a Jyotishi to > > > apply > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > dictum > > > > > > > > > > > blindfold. It was during my Rahu's bhukti I found > > > > secure > > > > > re- > > > > > > > > > > > employment and realization of a long-term wish to > > > have > > > > a > > > > > > > second > > > > > > > > > > > child, giving the direction to a seeming disarray > > of > > > > > things > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > a 3 > > > > > > > > > > > yr period. Only caveat which 'may' fit with your > > list > > > > is > > > > > > that > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > suffered for a 5 month period with severe shoulder > > > pain > > > > > > (Jan - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May '04) that the doctor called as 'Muscular > > spasm' > > > and > > > > I > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > banned > > > > > > > > > > > from taking medicines too since I had conceived my > > > > child. > > > > > > But > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > miraculously disappeared with no treatment in mid- > > > May, > > > > so > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > doctor > > > > > > > > > > > reversed the plate as 'no spasm'. This too, I bet, > > is > > > > > more > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > transit results as Meena Rasi has been in a kind > > > > > > of 'Grahana' > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > sometime now with Rahu in 2nd, Ketu in 8, Jupiter > > > (till > > > > > > > > > recently) > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > 6, Sani in Ardhashtaka. I *never* faced any other > > bad- > > > > > stuff > > > > > > > > > listed > > > > > > > > > > > due to 12th house Rahu, but I can say I have a > > > tendency > > > > > to > > > > > > > > blame > > > > > > > > > > > myself for no mistake on my part and feel > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > guilty > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jayashree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > astrology, "monmuk111" > > > > > > > > > > <monmuk111> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Debbie: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for being bold and truthful and sharing > > the > > > > > > > additional > > > > > > > > > > > > information, it helps the Jyotish greatly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, here is a prediction I had done for you on > > the > > > > > > > Jagannath > > > > > > > > > > > board > > > > > > > > > > > > when I didn't know ANYTHING about your personal > > > life > > > > > and > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > noted > > > > > > > > > > > > that some of the things I had told you were true- > > - > > > > here > > > > > is > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > excerpt > > > > > > > > > > > > from my reading: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > > > > > > > > > > > _ > > > > > > > > > > > > "Hello Deborah: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You've not entered a new dasa, but a new > > antardasa > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > maha > > > > > > > > > > > (main) > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa of Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Rahu is placed in the 12th house from Lagna > > so > > > > it > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > expected > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > give you problems. Rahu in 12th USUSALLY gives > > > health > > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > related confinement, litigation and related > > > > punishment, > > > > > > > sexual > > > > > > > > > > > > excesses and related results like unwanted > > > > pregnancies, > > > > > > > STD, > > > > > > > > > etc." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > > > > > > > > > > > _ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You've told us about your extra-marital affair > > > which > > > > I > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > > > > > > that are the results of 12th house Rahu. You > > also > > > > told > > > > > us > > > > > > > > > > > > about "unwanted" pregnancies that I had > > predicted > > > > which > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > result indifference to societal norms, which in > > > turn > > > > > are > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > result > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th house Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The saving grace is Rahu's placement in a > > favorable > > > > > rashi > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Gemini. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's 12th house placement let you astray and > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > > benefical > > > > > > > > > > > > placement in Gemini brough a sense of self- > > > awareness > > > > in > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > will lead to self-improvement. Had the 12th > > house > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > rashi bad for Rahu such as Saggitarius or Pices, > > it > > > > > would > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > ruined > > > > > > > > > > > > your life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See, the old sages knew what they were talking > > > about > > > > > when > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > up all these dictums.--They do come true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, this gives me a small shot of confidence > > in > > > my > > > > > > > > > predicting > > > > > > > > > > > > ability. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the issue at hand is for the GURUS to come > > up > > > > with > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > remedy > > > > > > > > > > > > that'll bring some peace in your life. Let's > > hope > > > > some > > > > > > > GURUS > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > the challenge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mukund > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > > astrology, "the_lighted1" > > > > > > > > > > > <m18deb@a...> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just wanted to include some relevant > > > information > > > > in > > > > > > > > regard > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart that may be useful. I thought that I > > > posted > > > > > > > earlier > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess that I did it wrong because I don't see > > > it. > > > > I > > > > > > > thank > > > > > > > > > > > everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > > for their insight and am using it to > > understand > > > my > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > better, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was married the first time on December 20th, > > > 1981 > > > > > the > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > year > > > > > > > > > > > > > that I graduated from high school and had a > > son > > > on > > > > > June > > > > > > > > 8th, > > > > > > > > > > > 1982. > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > separated from my husband in May of 1983 and > > was > > > > > having > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > extra > > > > > > > > > > > > > marital affair and my husband whom I had filed > > > for > > > > > > > divorce > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > was in a different relationship himself killed > > > > > himself > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > shooting > > > > > > > > > > > > > himself in the head with a rifle in the back > > yard > > > > of > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > mother's > > > > > > > > > > > > > home on April 25, 1984 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My second marriage was May 17th, 1989. I had > > a > > > son > > > > > by > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > prior > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > the marriage on August 30th 1987 and another > > son > > > > > after > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > were > > > > > > > > > > > > > married on September 6th, 1989. That husband > > was > > > a > > > > > > > severe > > > > > > > > > > > > alcoholic > > > > > > > > > > > > > who was very abusive and I separated from him > > > less > > > > > than > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > year > > > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > we were married but never filed for a > > divorce. > > > The > > > > > day > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > kicked > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > out was January 20th 1990 and he died of the > > > > delirium > > > > > > > > > tremens > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > are the DT's caused by withdraw from alcohol > > on > > > > > October > > > > > > > 14, > > > > > > > > > > > 1992. > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was the day before his 34th birthday. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other things that may be of interest are that > > my > > > > two > > > > > > > > > youngest > > > > > > > > > > > sons > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been raised by my mother and father since > > > July > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > 1992. > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > was voluntarily at first when I was > > financially > > > not > > > > > > able > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > but as time went by my mother did what she > > could > > > to > > > > > > > prevent > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > sons > > > > > > > > > > > > > from living with me and discouraged them to do > > > so. > > > > I > > > > > do > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the time but my mother I feel betrayed me > > in > > > not > > > > > > > > > encouraging > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > sons to want to live with me and we have had a > > > very > > > > > > > > strained > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks again, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Debbie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > <boxdel> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn becomes Shubha being in own house and > > > > > attracts > > > > > > > > > > > > Kendradhipati > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dosha, thus giving some bad results related > > to > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Being 8th Lord in 7th he is also capable of > > > > harming > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > indications > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th house. These two are separate issues and > > > need > > > > > to > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > viewed > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > such. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would say the problems in marriage could > > > arise > > > > > out > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > either > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being able to communicate with spouse or due > > to > > > a > > > > > > > > somewhat > > > > > > > > > > > > negative > > > > > > > > > > > > > view > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of looking at things and suspicious nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramesh Gangaramani wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your comments and for > > pointing > > > > out > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8L > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too. I want to understand the earlier > > comment > > > > of > > > > > > > yours. > > > > > > > > > > Does > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > imply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that Saturn in this case will not be > > shubha > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or because it is placed in own house? Will > > > the > > > > > > dictum > > > > > > > > > > > > of 'Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > protects the house in which it is placed' > > get > > > > > > diluted > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own house? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** Chandrashekhar > > > [boxdel] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Sent:* Sunday, September 12, 2004 > > 12:30 > > > AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *To:* Ramesh Gangaramani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Cc:* vedic- astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Subject:* Re: [vedic astrology] I > > have > > > > been > > > > > > > > widowed > > > > > > > > > > > twice > > > > > > > > > > > > > and am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wondering if I will have another chance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Debbie/Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would think Debbie might marry again > > > > around > > > > > > > April > > > > > > > > > > 2005 > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage is likely to be more > > fortunate. > > > > The > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mature in age than Debbie, is what I > > > think. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way Ramesh, Malefic owning a > > > Kendra > > > > is > > > > > > > > Shubha > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > occupying that Kendra, Saturn is in > > > Kendra > > > > > in > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th lord too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramesh Gangaramani wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Satyam Bruyat Priyam Buryat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Debbie, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I am sorry to hear about the > > tragedies > > > in > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > life. I > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> initiating a discussion based on my > > > > initial > > > > > > > > > > > observations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> In case of females 8H signifies > > magalaya > > > = > > > > > > > marital > > > > > > > > > > bond, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> subhagya, vaidhavya = widowhood. In > > D1, > > > 8H > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> and Rahu. In D9 the 8H has Saturn > > placed > > > > in > > > > > it > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Mars, Venus and Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> This is what Kalyan Verma has to > > > say "KV: > > > > > > > Malefic > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> cause widowhood. This will occur in > > the > > > > Dasa > > > > > > > > > periods > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> of the Navamsa occupied by the 8th > > > Lord." > > > > > Your > > > > > > > 8L > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> placed in 8H in D9 in Leo rashi. Lord > > is > > > > > Sun. > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > tragedy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> occurred in Sun-Ven-Ven dasa. (Please > > > read > > > > > > > > > functional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> characteristics of Venus below.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> The first case happened in Venus dasa > > > > which > > > > > is > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > functional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> malefic (kendradhipati dosha and also > > > 11L) > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > Cancer > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> happens to be the lord of 2nd house > > from > > > > UL > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > > > > maraka > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> 1st spouse. AD was that of Mercury > > which > > > > is > > > > > > also > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > functional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> malefic (dusthana lord and > > trisadipati- > > > > 12L > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > 3L). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> UL is placed 12th from AL in D1. This > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > indicates > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> 'rejection of spouse'. I am not sure > > > what > > > > > > would > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> case. Also this applies to the 1st > > > spouse. > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > UL > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> aspected by Sun, Mars, Mercury and > > > Venus. > > > > It > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > rashi > > > > > > > > > > > > > drishti of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Saturn. I am not sure if this would > > > > indicate > > > > > > > > > premature > > > > > > > > > > > > death > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> the spouse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> 2nd spouse/partner is seen from 8th > > from > > > > UL > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > falls > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Scorpio. 2nd from that has Moon and > > Ketu > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> of this house Jupiter however is > > strong > > > > and > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > protect > > > > > > > > > > > > > the UL! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> In both cases ULL Mars in own house > > is a > > > > > > > favorable > > > > > > > > > > > factor > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> should have given longevity to them! > > > Other > > > > > > > factor > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > 7L > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > D1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> being in own house. Saturn usually > > > > protects > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > which it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> is placed especially so in this case > > > > because > > > > > > it > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > house! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Though 8H affliction of D1 may > > indicate > > > > > > > widowhood, > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> positive factors too. I would > > therefore > > > > like > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > hear > > > > > > > > > > > views > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> knowledgeable members . I have > > attached > > > > your > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > JHL > > > > > > > > > > > > > format > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> for the sake of convenience. I hope > > the > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > details > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> correct. Just one question please, > > were > > > > both > > > > > > > > > spouses > > > > > > > > > > > > Martian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> personalities? I am sure you know > > that > > > UL > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > indicate a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> partner regardless of formal > > marriage! > > > In > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > words > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> were other stable relationships > > (lasting > > > > > over > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > year > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > so) > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> working would change. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Before I close I must mention that > > 3rd > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9H > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> which in your case has Jupiter in own > > > > house! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> the_lighted1 > > [m18deb@a...] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Friday, September 10, 2004 3:49 > > AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> [vedic astrology] I have > > been > > > > > widowed > > > > > > > > > twice > > > > > > > > > > > and am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> wondering if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I will have another chance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Hello respected Guru's and learned > > > > > students, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > I was wondering if you see from my > > own > > > > > chart > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> future for me. I have been plagued by > > > > > > > unfortunate > > > > > > > > > > > > > circumstance in my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > previous 2 marriages in which I was > > > > > widowed > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > > > > instances all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > before the age of 30. The first > > time > > > was > > > > > in > > > > > > > > April > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > 1985 > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > second time was October 1992. I am > > > > > including > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > details, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > please let me know if you need > > > > additional > > > > > > > > > > > information. I > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > currently studying on my own until > > I > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > educated > > > > > > > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > > > > > > > to join > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> the ranks as an official student. I > > > would > > > > > like > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > exactly in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> my chart determines this and if this > > is > > > > > going > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > happen > > > > > > > > > > > > > again or will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I not have another marriage etc.. > > Thank > > > > you > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > insight. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Warm Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Debbie Munger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Debbie Munger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Nov 18, 1963 10:33 PM +08:00 PST > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sacramento, CA:USA Longitude: > > 121W30 > > > > > > Latitude: > > > > > > > > > 38N35 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:21 Current > > > Period: > > > > > > > MA/RA/RA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra > > Lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ================================================ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Asc 21:57 Can Aslesha Me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sun 02:50 Sco +01:00:34 WK Vishakha > > Ju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Moon 05:14 Sag +11:55:04 WK Mula Ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mars 24:33 Sco +00:44:34 ST > > Jyeshtha Me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Merc 11:00 Sco +01:32:47 CM > > Anuradha Sa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > JuptR 16:38 Pis -00:03:18 FM > > U.Bhadra > > > Sa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ven 23:44 Sco +01:14:46 WK Jyeshtha > > Me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sat 23:47 Cap +00:02:51 FM > > Dhanishtha > > > Ma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Rahu 18:32 Gem -00:02:11 FM Ardra Ra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ketu 18:32 Sag -00:02:11 FM > > P.Shadya Ve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > True Node 365.25 Day 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> > > > >> > Ma/Sa 7/10/2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Me 8/19/2007 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Ke 8/15/2008 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Ve 1/11/2009 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Su 3/14/2010 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Mo 7/19/2010 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Ra 2/18/2011 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Ju 10/31/2013 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Sa 3/25/2016 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Me 1/30/2019 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Ke 8/19/2021 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Ve 9/6/2022 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Su 9/6/2025 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Mo 8/1/2026 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Ma 1/30/2028 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Ju 2/17/2029 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Sa 4/7/2031 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Me 10/19/2033 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Ke 1/24/2036 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Ve 12/30/2036 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Su 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Guest guest Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 AUM GURUBYO NAMAH Dear Chandrasekharji, Jayashree, The birth time noted as 2:32 PM is not correct. i have taken the time as 2:37PM. Rahu is no doubt placed in 12th house and is in kshiteesa (ruler of earth) shastyamsa which is benefic.(even for 2:32 PM rahu is in kshiteesa shastyamsa only). As per Moola dasa scheme Mars dasa and Sani Antar dasa(feb 2004 to oct. 2004) is on. Let us peep into shastyamsa chart. Here Rahu is placed in 3rd to Arudha lagna and in 5th to lagna. Mars is placed in 8th house to Sun and Sani is lord of 8th with reference to Moon and is placed in neecha rasi. The lagna lord has exchanged sign with Guru the 8th lord and is bound by the nodes and natural malefics sani and mars. Sani and Rahu have caused pitri shaapa. Let us look at Nakshatramsa to know the impulses. Here sani is placed in 3rd house and is subject to the aspect of Rahu. The 3rd house lord venus(darakaraka) is placed in makara in association with Mars and is aspected by Rahu. Sani is the lord of 12th house in rasi chart. This inidicates past birth. Moola antar dasa of Sani is on. Sani is pitrikaraka. In shastyamsa chart we find pitri shaapa. In Nakshatramsa Sani is placed in 3rd house and is subject to the aspect of Rahu who is the cause of completion of previous birth. Sani is the lord of 9th house in Saptamsa. Mars whose maha dasa is on is placed in 9th house. Mars is the lord of the 11th house(2nd child). In saptamsa chart Moon is associated with Rahu(placed in 5th house in saptamsa) and is placed in 9th to the dasa lord and 10th to antar dasa lord. >From the above what i understand is that waves(dreams) of past birth had been lashing the shores of current birth. How to come out of this fear forts raised in the subconscious mind? The one simple way is to have unshakable faith on the almighty. Almighty is the past, present and future. Suggested remedial measure:- Perform mentally abhshikeha to Srimata(the all compassionate divine Mother) with the following rasas. 1.Milk 2.curd 3.sugarcane juice 4. honey and 5. pure water. 2.Chant lalitha sahasranama.(mentally atleast) 3.Offer as naivedya Ghee payasam and vada(ulundu/urad dal) and consume the same as mahaprashad.(mentally with complete faith - Manasa puja is highly effective). Do this on janma nakshatra day, day of birth, fridays, pournamasi and all days during navarathri. Offer as dana umbrella, paduka and Bhagavat Gita to any elderly pious and needy person. Chant Namasivaaya as much times as you can on Mondays and pradosha days if not daily. This will clear away the pitri shaapa of the past birth. There is nothing to worry. Rest your head on the lap of Srimata. All your lapses/mistakes/sins will be wiped out in no time. Rest assured. May Mother bless, Best wishes. p.s.ramanarayanan.Jayashree <Jayashree_Ravi (AT) mail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Chandrashekar ji,That is so interesting, I have never so far come across a situation whereby my lagna was suggested differently. Yes, that is the accurate co-ordinates for Madras, India. But I get 18 degrees odd of Aquarius using the co-ordinates for the time of 2:32 PM. Please let me know if the Capricorn lagna is definite. Chandrashekarji, to address the other part regarding chart-reading based on single planets, I think it is a disgrace that such an approach was used in this forum in front of such learned members as yourself, Shri Narasimha Rao ji, Shri Ramadas Rao ji, Tatvam-Asi ji and so forth. (Please excuse my fun-making here, but I think if this is right, then the single placement of Guru Bhagwan alone in my chart, is capable of making me eligible for 'moksha' candidacy since he is such a divine planet ;-)) Please let me know regarding the lagna when your time permits. It is so nice of you to take an interest in seeing my chart. Thank-you so much for the same.Kind regards,Jayashreevedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:> Dear Jayashree,> May I know what co-ordinates you are using for Chennai? If 80E17 13N05 > are used your Rahu comes to Lagna in Capricorn 27.46.49. Are you certain > your horoscope haas Rahu in 12th? Am I making some mistake in the data?> New version of JHHora lite appears to have Center of Sin's disc on > Eastern horizon as default, though personally I like tip of Sun's disc > truly on Eastern horizon. Even so the Lagna is not likely to change by > about 2.5 degrees in that time.> Would you confirm whether the chart is right? I am attaching it for your > ready reference in JHD format. Of course, personally, I do not think > everyone with Rahu in 12th would have all bad habits, since much would > depend on Rasi occupied and planets conjunct as well as strength of > Lagna.I have seen many with a very pious life with that position of > Rahu. The mail is not in that context.> Chandrashekhar.> > Jayashree wrote:> > >> > Dear Shri Vishwanatham,> >> > Apologies for a delayed response again. I'm into my 8th month of> > pregnancy and I'm kind-of panicked and terrified by the predictions> > for Rahu in 12. I'm brought up in a somewhat traditional family and> > also I have a tendency to worry a lot. Also at work for the past 1> > month, there's been heavy workload and worries/hassles due to that.> > When I read the 12th Rahu having some disastrous results, it> > automatically put me in a 'hurt/panic' mode, afterall one of the> > most wonderful things that have happened to me is my hubby and my> > beautiful child (soon going to be 2 of them in 1 more month). They> > are important to me more than my life. If you can give your views on> > what my 12th house Rahu signifies in my chart, that would be great> > help to me. I think god is always with me to protect me, but I want> > to hear a Jyotishi's view also. I noticed my Rahu/Ketu are> > in 'Kalinasa' sashtyamsa who is a benefic, ('kalinaasa' was> > malefic). My dob is Oct 31st 1971, 2:32 PM, Chennai. Sorry for a> > late reply, but I couldn't write earlier.> >> > Thanks,> >> > Jayashree> > --- In vedic astrology, "vishwanatham"> > <vishwanatham@r...> wrote:> > > Hare Rama Krishna> > >> > > Dear Jayashree,> > >> > > You have always been nice to people on this group. i was only> > saying> > > what you had said, i.e., Rahu in 12th alone is not sufficient and> > as> > > always with any dictum is influenced by several other factors!> > >> > > Can you post your birth details to see why you feel so.> > >> > > Thanks for your mail.> > >> > > regards> > > viswanadham> > >> > > --- In vedic astrology, "Jayashree"> > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote:> > > > Vishwanatham ji,> > > >> > > > I'm sorry for a very delayed response. I guess the suggestion to> > > > check the sashtyamsa was hinted at me. I have to admit I'm no> > > > jyotishi but a (self-taught) learner, the reason I keep quiet> > > without> > > > participating much most of the time.It just so happened that in> > > this> > > > thread, having been a person of lofty ideals and strong> > > moral/ethical> > > > values all through my life, there was sudden insurgency of a> > strong> > > > impulse to speak up against what I felt was wrong/incorrect,> > > atleast> > > > in my case. Since every time I speak up, I immediately run into> > a> > > > mentally drained/exhausted and introspective state of analyzing> > the> > > > pros and cons of speaking up thus. I think "not to speak up" is> > > > ultimately the right thing to do afterall, and because of this> > > > reason, I have decided not even to visit this forum for a long> > > while> > > > to come. For example, I have seen O'Reilly shows where he has> > > > commented negatively on the atmosphere at India, and Hinduism> > > > adversely for so many times. While each time I do feel the same> > > > impulse to speak up against it, I ultimately keep quiet since I> > > > cannot do anything. I once sent a long write-up protesting> > against> > > a> > > > column in Boston Globe Sunday article against Engineers from> > India,> > > > but that never showed up anywhere for some reason :-(. Well, I> > > guess> > > > that's me and its time to change afterall.> > > >> > > > I apologize for this non-astrological message.> > > >> > > > Thanks> > > >> > > > Jayashree> > > >> > > >> > > > vedic astrology, "vishwanatham"> > > > <vishwanatham@r...> wrote:> > > > > Hare Rama Krishna> > > > >> > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > >> > > > > Please have a look at the shashtiamsa of the planet to see> > what> > > > kind> > > > > of karma the planet is carrying from the past life. That> > requires> > > > > some amount of BT accuracy. So we need to pause....> > > > >> > > > > Hope this helps.> > > > >> > > > > regards> > > > > viswanadham> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > --- In vedic astrology, "Jayashree"> > > > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote:> > > > > > Mukundji,> > > > > >> > > > > > I wasn't trying to prove anything. I was rather trying> > > > > to "disprove"> > > > > > what your statement "tried to prove" w.r.t Rahu's placement> > in> > > > 12th> > > > > > house for the entire populace that comes under its umbrella.> > > And> > > > I> > > > > am> > > > > > justified in having proven my salt's worth for whatever this> > > holy> > > > > > planet has blessed me with, for being a happy self.> > > > > >> > > > > > Allowing myself a little liberty(!) so to speak, I guess> > > > > > reciting "Manthra-Raja Pada Stothram" should greatly benefit> > > you,> > > > > > since Rahu casts 2nd argala (I don't know if this is> > obstructed> > > > or> > > > > > unobstructed) being placed in Mars' house and also Mars> > aspects> > > > > your> > > > > > Sani. This stothram is considered the "King of all> > stothrams".> > > > > >> > > > > > Bye now.> > > > > >> > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > Jayashree> > > > > >> > > > > > --- In vedic astrology, "monmuk111"> > > > > <monmuk111>> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > Hello Jayashree:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I've read the notes you've posted attempting to prove> > > > that "Rahu> > > > > is> > > > > > > 12th" doesn't always cause bondage, sexual immorality and> > > > > illegaly> > > > > > > obtained wealth.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Yes, I agree the the "Rahu in 12th" results are greatly> > > > modified> > > > > by> > > > > > > the placement in a good rashi, i.e. Gemini, Virgo, Taurus> > and> > > > > > Aries.> > > > > > > I also agree that the nature of "Rahu in 12th" is somewhat> > > > > modified> > > > > > > by its placement in a good nakshatra (Jupiter ruled> > > nakshatras).> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Firstly, "Planet in house" dictum never fails.> > > Secondly "Planet> > > > > in> > > > > > > Rashi" dictum never fails. These two are enough for a> > broad-> > > > brush> > > > > > > prediction. Thereafter, one can apply all the high-level> > > mumbo-> > > > > > jumbo> > > > > > > WHICH usually fails.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The only high-level mumbo-jumbo that I've seen give> > > consistent> > > > > > > results is Sanjay Rath's notes about predicting nature of> > > > spouse> > > > > > and> > > > > > > the quaility of marriage based on Upapada Lagna and> > > > > planets/rashis> > > > > > in> > > > > > > 2nd and 12th from Upapada.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > See, in the case of Paul Macartney, he DID have to go> > > > > > > through "bondage" like situation as his wife was> > frequently> > > > > > > hospitalized and he had to care for her. -- See, Rahu in> > 12th> > > > > > dictum> > > > > > > didn't fail.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Swami Vivekanada's chart confuses me. I know a woman with> > > Rahu> > > > in> > > > > > > 12th in Scorpio, this woman has the worst character in the> > > > world--> > > > > > she> > > > > > > sells herself, lies, steals, does everthing that the> > society> > > > > frowns> > > > > > > upon as long as her actions benefit her--she also has Sun> > in> > > > > > > Mooltrikona in 9th house, but this great placement seems> > to> > > > have> > > > > > been> > > > > > > compeltely eclipsed by debilitated Rahu in 6th.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Now, don't worry about your Rahu too much--it is well-> > > > disposited> > > > > by> > > > > > > the Lagna lord who again is well placed. Well, in your> > case,> > > > > > Jupiter> > > > > > > is in a friendly rashi in the throne who becomes a good> > > > > protector.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I have Saturn in 5th in the enemy Rashi of Pisces and> > > evertime> > > > I> > > > > go> > > > > > > through Saturn Anatara-pratyantara, my life turns upside> > down-> > > -> > > > > see,> > > > > > > the dictum about bad effects of Shani in 5th doesn't fail> > > here.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Mukund> > > > > > >> > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Jayashree"> > > > > > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote:> > > > > > > > Mukundji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Consider the chart of Swami Vivekananda. His chart comes> > > with> > > > > JHL> > > > > > > > 6.0. He has debilitated Rahu in Scorpio in 12th house.> > His> > > > > > Sanyasa> > > > > > > > Marga does not need my re-introduction.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Also, based on the info provided by another member,> > > consider> > > > > the> > > > > > > > chart of Paul McCartney. His chart has Rahu with Gulika> > in> > > 12> > > > > in> > > > > > > Leo.> > > > > > > > As I read his life history yesterday, I came to know his> > > wife> > > > > > > fought> > > > > > > > and eventually was given away to Breast Cancer. This I> > > would> > > > > > > > attribute to being indicated by Jup, McCartney's 4/7th> > lord> > > > > > > acquiring> > > > > > > > Kendradipathi dosha placed in 10th house and in A7> > > conjoining> > > > > > Sun,> > > > > > > > the dispositor of Rahu with Gulika in 12th house.> > > > Nevertheless,> > > > > > it> > > > > > > > goes without further saying that his wife hasn't> > > > > > afterall "suffered> > > > > > > > hospitalization along with extra-marital affairs along> > with> > > > > > earning> > > > > > > > money through unfair means".> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In my own chart : Oct 31 1971, 2:32 PM, Madras, Rahu is> > co-> > > > lord> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > Aquarius lagna, placed in another of Sani's houses> > thereby> > > > > > strongly> > > > > > > > signifying Sanidev, and placed in 6th lord (waxing)> > Moon's> > > > star> > > > > > in> > > > > > > 2,> > > > > > > > having healthy trinal relationship with dispositor and> > > > lagnesh> > > > > > Sani> > > > > > > > where Sani is also placed in a friendly sign in a> > kendra.> > > > Also> > > > > to> > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > noted that Rahu is devoid of any further malefic aspects> > or> > > > > > > > associations such as Gulika or Mandi.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Jayashree> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- In vedic astrology, "Jayashree"> > > > > > > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > Mukundji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I don't agree with you.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > It may be a different question whether someone ascends> > > > > > > spiritually> > > > > > > > > in a birth or not. However, sinful activities such as> > > > murder,> > > > > > > > > adultery, cruelty to children/animals/others are the> > > > > resultant> > > > > > > > > of 'poorva paap'. While Rahu will assist in unfolding> > the> > > > > > sinful> > > > > > > > > deeds or poorva paap, Rahu is nevertheless 'not' the> > > > > indicator> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > accumulated sins. Infact, no single planet can be. It> > > > should> > > > > > > rather> > > > > > > > > be indicated by the affliction to certain key-houses.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > In the lady's chart, though Mars is well-placed as> > lord> > > of> > > > > > poorva> > > > > > > > > punya in Swa-kshetra, the presence of Mercury who is> > > > 3rd/12th> > > > > > > lord> > > > > > > > > and dispositor of Rahu/Gulika/Mandi in the 5th, and> > the> > > > > > > affliction> > > > > > > > > to jala-tattwa planet Venus by two fiery planets Mars> > and> > > > > Sun,> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > the affliction to natural lord of intellect Budha by> > the> > > > same> > > > > > > fiery> > > > > > > > > planets in the house of intellect, along with a Sasa> > yoga> > > > > > caused> > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > malefic Saturn on the Kalathra-Bhava show the poorva-> > > paap.> > > > > Rahu> > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > helped in unfolding this poorva-paap.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Rahu plays a key-role in giving materialistic fruits> > and> > > > > helps> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > grow ahamkara/moha and Vanity. Where Rahu is placed in> > > the> > > > > > house> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > loss, this causes a deficiency that can manifest as> > delay> > > > in> > > > > > > > > fructification of the fruits of one's efforts. This is> > > what> > > > a> > > > > > > stand-> > > > > > > > > alone Rahu is capable of producing and *nothing more*.> > > > Where> > > > > a> > > > > > > > > native's chart has collective good karma, along a> > > different> > > > > > view,> > > > > > > > > Rahu as in 12th house causing delays and obstacles is> > > > > conducive> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > breaking lethargy and tamo-guna to work harder which> > is> > > > good> > > > > > for> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > native in the long-run.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > This is my view and I do not differ wee-bit from my> > > earlier> > > > > > > stand.> > > > > > > > > Though I'm not versed in Jyotish formally, my> > instincts> > > > tell> > > > > me> > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > is the right answer.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Jayashree> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- In vedic astrology, "monmuk111"> > > > > > > > <monmuk111>> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > Hello Jayashree:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I remember you have Rahu in 12th and couple of years> > > back> > > > > you> > > > > > > had> > > > > > > > > > told me that your life events/experience doesn't fit> > > the> > > > > > dictum> > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > Rahu in 12th. You may be an exception; however, in a> > > few> > > > > > cases> > > > > > > > > I've> > > > > > > > > > seen, this dictum doesn't fail.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I've seen Rahu in 12th causing bondage of some sort--> > > > > > difficult> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > predict, but could be in form of hospitalization or> > > > actual> > > > > > > > > > imprisonment or bondage like situation.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I've seen Rahu in 12th causing the native to earn a> > lot> > > > of> > > > > > > money,> > > > > > > > > > usually through illegal or underhanded activities,> > for> > > > > which> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > native usually gets caught and punished or maligned.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I've seen Rahu in 12th causing the person to ignore> > > > > societal> > > > > > > > norms> > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > ones behavior. Sexual excesses and adultry are a> > form> > > of> > > > > > breach> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > societal norms.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now, I know you haven't experienced/behaved in any> > of> > > > the> > > > > > > above> > > > > > > > > > situation with your 12th house Rahu, but in my> > little> > > > > > > experience,> > > > > > > > > > I've seen this dictum does come true and that's what> > > I've> > > > > > said> > > > > > > > > here.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > What I've said isn't the universal truth. There are> > > > > > exceptions> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > there are exceptions to the exceptions. What I've> > noted> > > > is> > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > generality.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > You're still very young, lot of life is yet to be> > > > > > experienced.> > > > > > > > > Let's> > > > > > > > > > hope it doesn't come true in your case as you're> > such a> > > > > nice> > > > > > > > > person.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mukund> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > --- In vedic astrology, "Jayashree"> > > > > > > > > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > Mukundji & list,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > It may not be the best interest of a Jyotishi to> > > apply> > > > > any> > > > > > > > > dictum> > > > > > > > > > > blindfold. It was during my Rahu's bhukti I found> > > > secure> > > > > re-> > > > > > > > > > > employment and realization of a long-term wish to> > > have> > > > a> > > > > > > second> > > > > > > > > > > child, giving the direction to a seeming disarray> > of> > > > > things> > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > a 3> > > > > > > > > > > yr period. Only caveat which 'may' fit with your> > list> > > > is> > > > > > that> > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > suffered for a 5 month period with severe shoulder> > > pain> > > > > > (Jan -> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May '04) that the doctor called as 'Muscular> > spasm'> > > and> > > > I> > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > > banned> > > > > > > > > > > from taking medicines too since I had conceived my> > > > child.> > > > > > But> > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > miraculously disappeared with no treatment in mid-> > > May,> > > > so> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > doctor> > > > > > > > > > > reversed the plate as 'no spasm'. This too, I bet,> > is> > > > > more> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > transit results as Meena Rasi has been in a kind> > > > > > of 'Grahana'> > > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > > sometime now with Rahu in 2nd, Ketu in 8, Jupiter> > > (till> > > > > > > > > recently)> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > 6, Sani in Ardhashtaka. I *never* faced any other> > bad-> > > > > stuff> > > > > > > > > listed> > > > > > > > > > > due to 12th house Rahu, but I can say I have a> > > tendency> > > > > to> > > > > > > > blame> > > > > > > > > > > myself for no mistake on my part and feel> > > unnecessarily> > > > > > > guilty> > > > > > > > > > > sometimes.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Jayashree> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > vedic-> > astrology, "monmuk111"> > > > > > > > > > <monmuk111>> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Debbie:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for being bold and truthful and sharing> > the> > > > > > > additional> > > > > > > > > > > > information, it helps the Jyotish greatly.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Now, here is a prediction I had done for you on> > the> > > > > > > Jagannath> > > > > > > > > > > board> > > > > > > > > > > > when I didn't know ANYTHING about your personal> > > life> > > > > and> > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > just> > > > > > > > > > > noted> > > > > > > > > > > > that some of the things I had told you were true-> > -> > > > here> > > > > is> > > > > > > an> > > > > > > > > > > excerpt> > > > > > > > > > > > from my reading:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > ___________________> > > > > > > > > > > _> > > > > > > > > > > > "Hello Deborah:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > You've not entered a new dasa, but a new> > antardasa> > > in> > > > > the> > > > > > > > maha> > > > > > > > > > > (main)> > > > > > > > > > > > dasa of Mars.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Your Rahu is placed in the 12th house from Lagna> > so> > > > it> > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > expected> > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > give you problems. Rahu in 12th USUSALLY gives> > > health> > > > > > > > problems> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > related confinement, litigation and related> > > > punishment,> > > > > > > sexual> > > > > > > > > > > > excesses and related results like unwanted> > > > pregnancies,> > > > > > > STD,> > > > > > > > > etc."> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > ___________________> > > > > > > > > > > _> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > You've told us about your extra-marital affair> > > which> > > > I> > > > > > had> > > > > > > > > > > predicted> > > > > > > > > > > > that are the results of 12th house Rahu. You> > also> > > > told> > > > > us> > > > > > > > > > > > about "unwanted" pregnancies that I had> > predicted> > > > which> > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > result indifference to societal norms, which in> > > turn> > > > > are> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > result> > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > 12th house Rahu.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > The saving grace is Rahu's placement in a> > favorable> > > > > rashi> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > Gemini.> > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's 12th house placement let you astray and> > > Rahu's> > > > > > > > > benefical> > > > > > > > > > > > placement in Gemini brough a sense of self-> > > awareness> > > > in> > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > > > will lead to self-improvement. Had the 12th> > house> > > > Rahu> > > > > > > placed> > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > rashi bad for Rahu such as Saggitarius or Pices,> > it> > > > > would> > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > ruined> > > > > > > > > > > > your life.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > See, the old sages knew what they were talking> > > about> > > > > when> > > > > > > > they> > > > > > > > > > > wrote> > > > > > > > > > > > up all these dictums.--They do come true.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Well, this gives me a small shot of confidence> > in> > > my> > > > > > > > > predicting> > > > > > > > > > > > ability.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the issue at hand is for the GURUS to come> > up> > > > with> > > > > a> > > > > > > > > remedy> > > > > > > > > > > > that'll bring some peace in your life. Let's> > hope> > > > some> > > > > > > GURUS> > > > > > > > > take> > > > > > > > > > > up> > > > > > > > > > > > the challenge.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Mukund> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > vedic-> > > > astrology, "the_lighted1"> > > > > > > > > > > <m18deb@a...>> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello,> > > > > > > > > > > > > I just wanted to include some relevant> > > information> > > > in> > > > > > > > regard> > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > my> > > > > > > > > > > > > chart that may be useful. I thought that I> > > posted> > > > > > > earlier> > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > > > guess that I did it wrong because I don't see> > > it. > > > > I> > > > > > > thank> > > > > > > > > > > everyone> > > > > > > > > > > > > for their insight and am using it to> > understand> > > my> > > > > > chart> > > > > > > > > > > better, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I was married the first time on December 20th,> > > 1981> > > > > the> > > > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > > > year> > > > > > > > > > > > > that I graduated from high school and had a> > son> > > on> > > > > June> > > > > > > > 8th,> > > > > > > > > > > 1982. > > > > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > > > separated from my husband in May of 1983 and> > was> > > > > having> > > > > > > an> > > > > > > > > > extra> > > > > > > > > > > > > marital affair and my husband whom I had filed> > > for> > > > > > > divorce> > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > was in a different relationship himself killed> > > > > himself> > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > shooting> > > > > > > > > > > > > himself in the head with a rifle in the back> > yard> > > > of> > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > > > mother's> > > > > > > > > > > > > home on April 25, 1984> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My second marriage was May 17th, 1989. I had> > a> > > son> > > > > by> > > > > > > him> > > > > > > > > > prior> > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > the marriage on August 30th 1987 and another> > son> > > > > after> > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > were> > > > > > > > > > > > > married on September 6th, 1989. That husband> > was> > > a> > > > > > > severe> > > > > > > > > > > > alcoholic> > > > > > > > > > > > > who was very abusive and I separated from him> > > less> > > > > than> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > year> > > > > > > > > > > > after> > > > > > > > > > > > > we were married but never filed for a> > divorce. > > > The> > > > > day> > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > kicked> > > > > > > > > > > > him> > > > > > > > > > > > > out was January 20th 1990 and he died of the> > > > delirium> > > > > > > > > tremens> > > > > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > > > > are the DT's caused by withdraw from alcohol> > on> > > > > October> > > > > > > 14,> > > > > > > > > > > 1992. > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was the day before his 34th birthday.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other things that may be of interest are that> > my> > > > two> > > > > > > > > youngest> > > > > > > > > > > sons> > > > > > > > > > > > > have been raised by my mother and father since> > > July> > > > > of> > > > > > > > > 1992. > > > > > > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > > > > > was voluntarily at first when I was> > financially> > > not> > > > > > able> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > do> > > > > > > > > > > so,> > > > > > > > > > > > > but as time went by my mother did what she> > could> > > to> > > > > > > prevent> > > > > > > > > my> > > > > > > > > > > sons> > > > > > > > > > > > > from living with me and discouraged them to do> > > so.> > > > I> > > > > do> > > > > > > see> > > > > > > > > > them> > > > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > > of the time but my mother I feel betrayed me> > in> > > not> > > > > > > > > encouraging> > > > > > > > > > > my> > > > > > > > > > > > > sons to want to live with me and we have had a> > > very> > > > > > > > strained> > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks again,> > > > > > > > > > > > > Debbie> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In vedic astrology,> > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > > > > > > <boxdel>> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn becomes Shubha being in own house and> > > > > attracts> > > > > > > > > > > > Kendradhipati> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dosha, thus giving some bad results related> > to> > > > > one's> > > > > > > > Lagna> > > > > > > > > if> > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Being 8th Lord in 7th he is also capable of> > > > harming> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > indications> > > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th house. These two are separate issues and> > > need> > > > > to> > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > viewed> > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > such.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would say the problems in marriage could> > > arise> > > > > out> > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > either> > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > being able to communicate with spouse or due> > to> > > a> > > > > > > > somewhat> > > > > > > > > > > > negative> > > > > > > > > > > > > view> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of looking at things and suspicious nature.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramesh Gangaramani wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your comments and for> > pointing> > > > out> > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > Saturn> > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > 8L> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too. I want to understand the earlier> > comment> > > > of> > > > > > > yours.> > > > > > > > > > Does> > > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > > imply> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that Saturn in this case will not be> > shubha> > > > > though> > > > > > > > > placed> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > own> > > > > > > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or because it is placed in own house? Will> > > the> > > > > > dictum> > > > > > > > > > > > of 'Saturn> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > protects the house in which it is placed'> > get> > > > > > diluted> > > > > > > > > > > because> > > > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own house?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramesh> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** Chandrashekhar> > > [boxdel]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Sent:* Sunday, September 12, 2004> > 12:30> > > AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *To:* Ramesh Gangaramani> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Cc:* vedic astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Subject:* Re: [vedic astrology] I> > have> > > > been> > > > > > > > widowed> > > > > > > > > > > twice> > > > > > > > > > > > > and am> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wondering if I will have another chance> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Debbie/Ramesh,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would think Debbie might marry again> > > > around> > > > > > > April> > > > > > > > > > 2005> > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage is likely to be more> > fortunate.> > > > The> > > > > > > person> > > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mature in age than Debbie, is what I> > > think.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way Ramesh, Malefic owning a> > > Kendra> > > > is> > > > > > > > Shubha> > > > > > > > > if> > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > occupying that Kendra, Saturn is in> > > Kendra> > > > > in> > > > > > > own> > > > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th lord too.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramesh Gangaramani wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Satyam Bruyat Priyam Buryat> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Debbie,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I am sorry to hear about the> > tragedies> > > in> > > > > your> > > > > > > > > life. I> > > > > > > > > > > am> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> initiating a discussion based on my> > > > initial> > > > > > > > > > > observations.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> In case of females 8H signifies> > magalaya> > > => > > > > > > marital> > > > > > > > > > bond,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> subhagya, vaidhavya = widowhood. In> > D1,> > > 8H> > > > > is> > > > > > > > > aspected> > > > > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> and Rahu. In D9 the 8H has Saturn> > placed> > > > in> > > > > it> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected by> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Mars, Venus and Rahu.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> This is what Kalyan Verma has to> > > say "KV:> > > > > > > Malefic> > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > 8th> > > > > > > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> cause widowhood. This will occur in> > the> > > > Dasa> > > > > > > > > periods> > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> of the Navamsa occupied by the 8th> > > Lord."> > > > > Your> > > > > > > 8L> > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> placed in 8H in D9 in Leo rashi. Lord> > is> > > > > Sun.> > > > > > > 2nd> > > > > > > > > > > tragedy> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> occurred in Sun-Ven-Ven dasa. (Please> > > read> > > > > > > > > functional> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> characteristics of Venus below.)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> The first case happened in Venus dasa> > > > which> > > > > is> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > functional> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> malefic (kendradhipati dosha and also> > > 11L)> > > > > for> > > > > > > > > Cancer> > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna.> > > > > > > > > > > > > It> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> happens to be the lord of 2nd house> > from> > > > UL> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > hence> > > > > > > > > > > > maraka> > > > > > > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> 1st spouse. AD was that of Mercury> > which> > > > is> > > > > > also> > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > functional> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> malefic (dusthana lord and> > trisadipati-> > > > 12L> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > 3L).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> UL is placed 12th from AL in D1. This> > > > > actually> > > > > > > > > > indicates> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> 'rejection of spouse'. I am not sure> > > what> > > > > > would> > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > mean> > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > your> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> case. Also this applies to the 1st> > > spouse.> > > > > 2nd> > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > UL> > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> aspected by Sun, Mars, Mercury and> > > Venus.> > > > It> > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > rashi> > > > > > > > > > > > > drishti of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Saturn. I am not sure if this would> > > > indicate> > > > > > > > > premature> > > > > > > > > > > > death> > > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> the spouse.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> 2nd spouse/partner is seen from 8th> > from> > > > UL> > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > falls> > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Scorpio. 2nd from that has Moon and> > Ketu> > > > > > > aspected> > > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > Rahu.> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> of this house Jupiter however is> > strong> > > > and> > > > > > > should> > > > > > > > > > > protect> > > > > > > > > > > > > the UL!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> In both cases ULL Mars in own house> > is a> > > > > > > favorable> > > > > > > > > > > factor> > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> should have given longevity to them!> > > Other> > > > > > > factor> > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > 7L> > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > D1> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> being in own house. Saturn usually> > > > protects> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > which it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> is placed especially so in this case> > > > because> > > > > > it> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > its> > > > > > > > > > > own> > > > > > > > > > > > > house!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Though 8H affliction of D1 may> > indicate> > > > > > > widowhood,> > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > see> > > > > > > > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> positive factors too. I would> > therefore> > > > like> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > hear> > > > > > > > > > > views> > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> knowledgeable members . I have> > attached> > > > your> > > > > > > chart> > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > JHL> > > > > > > > > > > > > format> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> for the sake of convenience. I hope> > the> > > > > birth> > > > > > > > > details> > > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> correct. Just one question please,> > were> > > > both> > > > > > > > > spouses> > > > > > > > > > > > Martian> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> personalities? I am sure you know> > that> > > UL> > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > indicate a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> partner regardless of formal> > marriage!> > > In> > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > words> > > > > > > > > > > if> > > > > > > > > > > > > there> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> were other stable relationships> > (lasting> > > > > over> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > year> > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > so)> > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> working would change.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Before I close I must mention that> > 3rd> > > > > > marriage> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > seen> > > > > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > > > 9H> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> which in your case has Jupiter in own> > > > house!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Ramesh> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> the_lighted1> > [m18deb@a...]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Friday, September 10, 2004 3:49> > AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> vedic astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> [vedic astrology] I have> > been> > > > > widowed> > > > > > > > > twice> > > > > > > > > > > and am> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> wondering if> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I will have another chance> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Hello respected Guru's and learned> > > > > students,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > I was wondering if you see from my> > own> > > > > chart> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > marriage> > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> future for me. I have been plagued by> > > > > > > unfortunate> > > > > > > > > > > > > circumstance in my> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > previous 2 marriages in which I was> > > > > widowed> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > both> > > > > > > > > > > > > instances all> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > before the age of 30. The first> > time> > > was> > > > > in> > > > > > > > April> > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > 1985> > > > > > > > > > > > > and the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > second time was October 1992. I am> > > > > including> > > > > > > my> > > > > > > > > > chart> > > > > > > > > > > > > details,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > please let me know if you need> > > > additional> > > > > > > > > > > information. I> > > > > > > > > > > > am> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > currently studying on my own until> > I> > > > feel> > > > > > > > > educated> > > > > > > > > > > > enough> > > > > > > > > > > > > to join> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> the ranks as an official student. I> > > would> > > > > like> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > see> > > > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > > > > exactly in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> my chart determines this and if this> > is> > > > > going> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > happen> > > > > > > > > > > > > again or will> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I not have another marriage etc..> > Thank> > > > you> > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > your> > > > > > > > > > > > insight.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Warm Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Debbie Munger> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Debbie Munger> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Nov 18, 1963 10:33 PM +08:00 PST> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sacramento, CA:USA Longitude:> > 121W30> > > > > > Latitude:> > > > > > > > > 38N35> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:21 Current> > > Period:> > > > > > > MA/RA/RA> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra> > Lord> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > ================================================> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Asc 21:57 Can Aslesha Me> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sun 02:50 Sco +01:00:34 WK Vishakha> > Ju> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Moon 05:14 Sag +11:55:04 WK Mula Ke> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mars 24:33 Sco +00:44:34 ST> > Jyeshtha Me> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Merc 11:00 Sco +01:32:47 CM> > Anuradha Sa> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > JuptR 16:38 Pis -00:03:18 FM> > U.Bhadra> > > Sa> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ven 23:44 Sco +01:14:46 WK Jyeshtha> > Me> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sat 23:47 Cap +00:02:51 FM> > Dhanishtha> > > Ma> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Rahu 18:32 Gem -00:02:11 FM Ardra Ra> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ketu 18:32 Sag -00:02:11 FM> > P.Shadya Ve> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > True Node 365.25 Day Year -> > Internet> > > > Time:> > > > > > 315> > > > > > > > > beats> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Day: Monday Sunrise: 6:52 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Tithi: Shukla Tritiya> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Yoga Pt: 11:24 Li Yogi:Ra> > AviYogi:Ve> > > Dup> > > > > > Yogi:> > > > > > > Ve> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Dagha Rashis: Leo Cap> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Rashi Chart> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > *******************************************************> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** 5 * * 3 **> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *6 * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * RA 18:32* *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * 4 AS 21:57 * 2 *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** * * **> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *7 * 1 *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** * * **> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *8 * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *SU 02:50* * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *ME 11:00 * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *VE 23:44 * 10 SA 23:47 * 12> > JUR16:38*> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *MA 24:33 * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * MO 05:14* * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * KE 18:32 * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** 9 * * 11 **> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > *******************************************************> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Navamsha> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > *******************************************************> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** 11 * * 9 **> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *12* * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * MA * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * VE * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *RA * 10 AS * 8 JUR *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** * * **> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *1 * 7 ME *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** * * **> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *2 * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *MO * 4 SU * 6 KE *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * SA * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** 3 * * 5 **> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > *******************************************************> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Khavedamsha> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > *******************************************************> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** 1 * * 11 **> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *2 * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * RA * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * KE * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *VE * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *SA * 12 AS * 10 SU *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** * * **> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *3 MA * 9 ME *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** * * **> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *4 * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * 6 * 8 *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * JUR * * MO * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** 5 * * 7 **> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > *******************************************************> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > ========================> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ke/Ma 8/22/1963> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ke/Ra 1/18/1964> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ke/Ju 2/5/1965> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ke/Sa 1/12/1966> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ke/Me 2/21/1967> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Ve 2/18/1968> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Su 6/19/1971> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Mo 6/19/1972> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Ma 2/17/1974> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Ra 4/19/1975> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Ju 4/19/1978> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Sa 12/18/1980> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Me 2/18/1984> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Ke 12/19/1986> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Su 2/18/1988> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Mo 6/6/1988> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Ma 12/6/1988> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Ra 4/13/1989> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Ju 3/8/1990> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Sa 12/25/1990> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Me 12/7/1991> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Ke 10/12/1992> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Ve 2/17/1993> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Mo 2/17/1994> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Ma 12/19/1994> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Ra 7/20/1995> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Ju 1/18/1997> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Sa 5/20/1998> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Me 12/19/1999> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Ke 5/19/2001> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Ve 12/18/2001> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Su 8/19/2003> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Ma 2/18/2004> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Ra 7/16/2004> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Ju 8/3/2005> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Sa 7/10/2006> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Me 8/19/2007> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Ke 8/15/2008> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Ve 1/11/2009> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Su 3/14/2010> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Mo 7/19/2010> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Ra 2/18/2011> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Ju 10/31/2013> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Sa 3/25/2016> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Me 1/30/2019> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Ke 8/19/2021> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Ve 9/6/2022> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Su 9/6/2025> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Mo 8/1/2026> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Ma 1/30/2028> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Ju 2/17/2029> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Sa 4/7/2031> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Me 10/19/2033> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Ke 1/24/2036> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Ve 12/30/2036> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Su 8/31/2039> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Mo 6/19/2040> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Ma 10/19/2041> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Ra 9/24/2042> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Sa 2/17/2045> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Me 2/21/2048> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Ke 10/31/2050> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Ve 12/10/2051> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Su 2/8/2055> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Mo 1/21/2056> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Ma 8/22/2057> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Ra 9/30/2058> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Ju 8/6/2061> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Me/Me 2/18/2064> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Me/Ke 7/16/2066> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Me/Ve 7/14/2067> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Me/Su 5/13/2070> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Me/Mo 3/20/2071> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Me/Ma 8/18/2072> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Me/Ra 8/16/2073> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Me/Ju 3/4/2076> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Me/Sa 6/10/2078> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> ------------------------ > > Groups> > > > > Sponsor> > > > > > > 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Guest guest Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Jayashree, My computer crashed recently and still i have not got my tools back. The points raised by you have a significant import for the way astrology is used. Many times the use of strong langauge was a matter of discussion on this forum and elsewhere. In much of the earlier classical and near classical astro literature, you find use of strong language. As an example if you see my chart: Scorpio lagna, Gemini rasi, chandra mangala yoga in Ardra nakshatra. Nothing good is spoken about any of these things in the books. Then i know the facts about myself, others only have impressions about me. My wife is a doctor, so earnings from her. Some times i forget people who have helped me (very bad!). Rest i have to wait and see, if something comes to pass in this life. So, in your case also you know the facts yourself. How the results given out in the books apply to you or how they are modified in your case is what all this about. More than a discussion on your chart, you need more rest and relaxation. i like to clarify that i am not one who gives much importance to one planet's placement, though i may not write lengthy mails. You already got some very excellent inputs from some great souls. regards viswanadham vedic astrology, rama narayanan <sree88ganesha> wrote: > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH > > Dear Chandrasekharji, Jayashree, > > The birth time noted as 2:32 PM is not correct. i have taken the time as 2:37PM. Rahu is no doubt placed in 12th house and is in kshiteesa (ruler of earth) shastyamsa which is benefic.(even for 2:32 PM rahu is in kshiteesa shastyamsa only). > > As per Moola dasa scheme Mars dasa and Sani Antar dasa(feb 2004 to oct. 2004) is on. > > Let us peep into shastyamsa chart. Here Rahu is placed in 3rd to Arudha lagna and in 5th to lagna. Mars is placed in 8th house to Sun and Sani is lord of 8th with reference to Moon and is placed in neecha rasi. The lagna lord has exchanged sign with Guru the 8th lord and is bound by the nodes and natural malefics sani and mars. Sani and Rahu have caused pitri shaapa. > > Let us look at Nakshatramsa to know the impulses. Here sani is placed in 3rd house and is subject to the aspect of Rahu. The 3rd house lord venus(darakaraka) is placed in makara in association with Mars and is aspected by Rahu. > > Sani is the lord of 12th house in rasi chart. This inidicates past birth. Moola antar dasa of Sani is on. Sani is pitrikaraka. In shastyamsa chart we find pitri shaapa. In Nakshatramsa Sani is placed in 3rd house and is subject to the aspect of Rahu who is the cause of completion of previous birth. Sani is the lord of 9th house in Saptamsa. Mars whose maha dasa is on is placed in 9th house. Mars is the lord of the 11th house(2nd child). In saptamsa chart Moon is associated with Rahu(placed in 5th house in saptamsa) and is placed in 9th to the dasa lord and 10th to antar dasa lord. > > From the above what i understand is that waves(dreams) of past birth had been lashing the shores of current birth. > > How to come out of this fear forts raised in the subconscious mind? > > The one simple way is to have unshakable faith on the almighty. Almighty is the past, present and future. > > Suggested remedial measure:- > > Perform mentally abhshikeha to Srimata(the all compassionate divine Mother) with the following rasas. > 1.Milk 2.curd 3.sugarcane juice 4. honey and 5. pure water. > > 2.Chant lalitha sahasranama.(mentally atleast) > > 3.Offer as naivedya Ghee payasam and vada(ulundu/urad dal) and consume the same as mahaprashad.(mentally with complete faith - Manasa puja is highly effective). > > Do this on janma nakshatra day, day of birth, fridays, pournamasi and all days during navarathri. > > Offer as dana umbrella, paduka and Bhagavat Gita to any elderly pious and needy person. Chant Namasivaaya as much times as you can on Mondays and pradosha days if not daily. This will clear away the pitri shaapa of the past birth. > > There is nothing to worry. Rest your head on the lap of Srimata. All your lapses/mistakes/sins will be wiped out in no time. Rest assured. > > May Mother bless, > > Best wishes. > p.s.ramanarayanan. > Jayashree <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekar ji, > > That is so interesting, I have never so far come across a situation > whereby my lagna was suggested differently. Yes, that is the accurate > co-ordinates for Madras, India. But I get 18 degrees odd of Aquarius > using the co-ordinates for the time of 2:32 PM. Please let me know if > the Capricorn lagna is definite. Chandrashekarji, to address the > other part regarding chart-reading based on single planets, I think > it is a disgrace that such an approach was used in this forum in > front of such learned members as yourself, Shri Narasimha Rao ji, > Shri Ramadas Rao ji, Tatvam-Asi ji and so forth. (Please excuse my > fun-making here, but I think if this is right, then the single > placement of Guru Bhagwan alone in my chart, is capable of making me > eligible for 'moksha' candidacy since he is such a divine planet ;- )) > > Please let me know regarding the lagna when your time permits. It is > so nice of you to take an interest in seeing my chart. Thank-you so > much for the same. > > Kind regards, > > Jayashree > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2004 Report Share Posted October 5, 2004 Dear Ramanarayan ji and Chandrashekar ji, I'm confused here, I have seen only Aquarius lagna chart all through my life for the time of Oct 31, 1971, 2:32 (even if 2:37 PM), Madras, India. Ramanarayan ji, since you have said "Mars whose maha dasa is on is placed in 9th house. Mars is the lord of the 11th house(2nd child).", it looks like a different chart is being studied, as I'm in Ketu's mahadasa and Mars is 10th lord? Please correct if I'm wrong. Thanks Jayashree vedic astrology, rama narayanan <sree88ganesha> wrote: > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH > > Dear Chandrasekharji, Jayashree, > > The birth time noted as 2:32 PM is not correct. i have taken the time as 2:37PM. Rahu is no doubt placed in 12th house and is in kshiteesa (ruler of earth) shastyamsa which is benefic.(even for 2:32 PM rahu is in kshiteesa shastyamsa only). > > As per Moola dasa scheme Mars dasa and Sani Antar dasa(feb 2004 to oct. 2004) is on. > > Let us peep into shastyamsa chart. Here Rahu is placed in 3rd to Arudha lagna and in 5th to lagna. Mars is placed in 8th house to Sun and Sani is lord of 8th with reference to Moon and is placed in neecha rasi. The lagna lord has exchanged sign with Guru the 8th lord and is bound by the nodes and natural malefics sani and mars. Sani and Rahu have caused pitri shaapa. > > Let us look at Nakshatramsa to know the impulses. Here sani is placed in 3rd house and is subject to the aspect of Rahu. The 3rd house lord venus(darakaraka) is placed in makara in association with Mars and is aspected by Rahu. > > Sani is the lord of 12th house in rasi chart. This inidicates past birth. Moola antar dasa of Sani is on. Sani is pitrikaraka. In shastyamsa chart we find pitri shaapa. In Nakshatramsa Sani is placed in 3rd house and is subject to the aspect of Rahu who is the cause of completion of previous birth. Sani is the lord of 9th house in Saptamsa. Mars whose maha dasa is on is placed in 9th house. Mars is the lord of the 11th house(2nd child). In saptamsa chart Moon is associated with Rahu(placed in 5th house in saptamsa) and is placed in 9th to the dasa lord and 10th to antar dasa lord. > > From the above what i understand is that waves(dreams) of past birth had been lashing the shores of current birth. > > How to come out of this fear forts raised in the subconscious mind? > > The one simple way is to have unshakable faith on the almighty. Almighty is the past, present and future. > > Suggested remedial measure:- > > Perform mentally abhshikeha to Srimata(the all compassionate divine Mother) with the following rasas. > 1.Milk 2.curd 3.sugarcane juice 4. honey and 5. pure water. > > 2.Chant lalitha sahasranama.(mentally atleast) > > 3.Offer as naivedya Ghee payasam and vada(ulundu/urad dal) and consume the same as mahaprashad.(mentally with complete faith - Manasa puja is highly effective). > > Do this on janma nakshatra day, day of birth, fridays, pournamasi and all days during navarathri. > > Offer as dana umbrella, paduka and Bhagavat Gita to any elderly pious and needy person. Chant Namasivaaya as much times as you can on Mondays and pradosha days if not daily. This will clear away the pitri shaapa of the past birth. > > There is nothing to worry. Rest your head on the lap of Srimata. All your lapses/mistakes/sins will be wiped out in no time. Rest assured. > > May Mother bless, > > Best wishes. > p.s.ramanarayanan. > Jayashree <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekar ji, > > That is so interesting, I have never so far come across a situation > whereby my lagna was suggested differently. Yes, that is the accurate > co-ordinates for Madras, India. But I get 18 degrees odd of Aquarius > using the co-ordinates for the time of 2:32 PM. Please let me know if > the Capricorn lagna is definite. Chandrashekarji, to address the > other part regarding chart-reading based on single planets, I think > it is a disgrace that such an approach was used in this forum in > front of such learned members as yourself, Shri Narasimha Rao ji, > Shri Ramadas Rao ji, Tatvam-Asi ji and so forth. (Please excuse my > fun-making here, but I think if this is right, then the single > placement of Guru Bhagwan alone in my chart, is capable of making me > eligible for 'moksha' candidacy since he is such a divine planet ;- )) > > Please let me know regarding the lagna when your time permits. It is > so nice of you to take an interest in seeing my chart. Thank-you so > much for the same. > > Kind regards, > > Jayashree > > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel> > wrote: > > Dear Jayashree, > > May I know what co-ordinates you are using for Chennai? If 80E17 > 13N05 > > are used your Rahu comes to Lagna in Capricorn 27.46.49. Are you > certain > > your horoscope haas Rahu in 12th? Am I making some mistake in the > data? > > New version of JHHora lite appears to have Center of Sin's disc on > > Eastern horizon as default, though personally I like tip of Sun's > disc > > truly on Eastern horizon. Even so the Lagna is not likely to change > by > > about 2.5 degrees in that time. > > Would you confirm whether the chart is right? I am attaching it for > your > > ready reference in JHD format. Of course, personally, I do not > think > > everyone with Rahu in 12th would have all bad habits, since much > would > > depend on Rasi occupied and planets conjunct as well as strength of > > Lagna.I have seen many with a very pious life with that position of > > Rahu. The mail is not in that context. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Jayashree wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Vishwanatham, > > > > > > Apologies for a delayed response again. I'm into my 8th month of > > > pregnancy and I'm kind-of panicked and terrified by the > predictions > > > for Rahu in 12. I'm brought up in a somewhat traditional family > and > > > also I have a tendency to worry a lot. Also at work for the past > 1 > > > month, there's been heavy workload and worries/hassles due to > that. > > > When I read the 12th Rahu having some disastrous results, it > > > automatically put me in a 'hurt/panic' mode, afterall one of the > > > most wonderful things that have happened to me is my hubby and my > > > beautiful child (soon going to be 2 of them in 1 more month). They > > > are important to me more than my life. If you can give your views > on > > > what my 12th house Rahu signifies in my chart, that would be great > > > help to me. I think god is always with me to protect me, but I > want > > > to hear a Jyotishi's view also. I noticed my Rahu/Ketu are > > > in 'Kalinasa' sashtyamsa who is a benefic, ('kalinaasa' was > > > malefic). My dob is Oct 31st 1971, 2:32 PM, Chennai. Sorry for a > > > late reply, but I couldn't write earlier. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Jayashree > > > vedic astrology, "vishwanatham" > > > <vishwanatham@r...> wrote: > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > Dear Jayashree, > > > > > > > > You have always been nice to people on this group. i was only > > > saying > > > > what you had said, i.e., Rahu in 12th alone is not sufficient > and > > > as > > > > always with any dictum is influenced by several other factors! > > > > > > > > Can you post your birth details to see why you feel so. > > > > > > > > Thanks for your mail. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > viswanadham > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Jayashree" > > > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote: > > > > > Vishwanatham ji, > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry for a very delayed response. I guess the suggestion > to > > > > > check the sashtyamsa was hinted at me. I have to admit I'm no > > > > > jyotishi but a (self-taught) learner, the reason I keep quiet > > > > without > > > > > participating much most of the time.It just so happened that > in > > > > this > > > > > thread, having been a person of lofty ideals and strong > > > > moral/ethical > > > > > values all through my life, there was sudden insurgency of a > > > strong > > > > > impulse to speak up against what I felt was wrong/incorrect, > > > > atleast > > > > > in my case. Since every time I speak up, I immediately run > into > > > a > > > > > mentally drained/exhausted and introspective state of > analyzing > > > the > > > > > pros and cons of speaking up thus. I think "not to speak up" > is > > > > > ultimately the right thing to do afterall, and because of this > > > > > reason, I have decided not even to visit this forum for a long > > > > while > > > > > to come. For example, I have seen O'Reilly shows where he has > > > > > commented negatively on the atmosphere at India, and Hinduism > > > > > adversely for so many times. While each time I do feel the > same > > > > > impulse to speak up against it, I ultimately keep quiet since > I > > > > > cannot do anything. I once sent a long write-up protesting > > > against > > > > a > > > > > column in Boston Globe Sunday article against Engineers from > > > India, > > > > > but that never showed up anywhere for some reason :-(. Well, I > > > > guess > > > > > that's me and its time to change afterall. > > > > > > > > > > I apologize for this non-astrological message. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Jayashree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "vishwanatham" > > > > > <vishwanatham@r...> wrote: > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > Please have a look at the shashtiamsa of the planet to see > > > what > > > > > kind > > > > > > of karma the planet is carrying from the past life. That > > > requires > > > > > > some amount of BT accuracy. So we need to pause.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > viswanadham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Jayashree" > > > > > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > Mukundji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wasn't trying to prove anything. I was rather trying > > > > > > to "disprove" > > > > > > > what your statement "tried to prove" w.r.t Rahu's > placement > > > in > > > > > 12th > > > > > > > house for the entire populace that comes under its > umbrella. > > > > And > > > > > I > > > > > > am > > > > > > > justified in having proven my salt's worth for whatever > this > > > > holy > > > > > > > planet has blessed me with, for being a happy self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Allowing myself a little liberty(!) so to speak, I guess > > > > > > > reciting "Manthra-Raja Pada Stothram" should greatly > benefit > > > > you, > > > > > > > since Rahu casts 2nd argala (I don't know if this is > > > obstructed > > > > > or > > > > > > > unobstructed) being placed in Mars' house and also Mars > > > aspects > > > > > > your > > > > > > > Sani. This stothram is considered the "King of all > > > stothrams". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bye now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jayashree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "monmuk111" > > > > > > <monmuk111> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello Jayashree: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've read the notes you've posted attempting to prove > > > > > that "Rahu > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > 12th" doesn't always cause bondage, sexual immorality > and > > > > > > illegaly > > > > > > > > obtained wealth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I agree the the "Rahu in 12th" results are greatly > > > > > modified > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > the placement in a good rashi, i.e. Gemini, Virgo, > Taurus > > > and > > > > > > > Aries. > > > > > > > > I also agree that the nature of "Rahu in 12th" is > somewhat > > > > > > modified > > > > > > > > by its placement in a good nakshatra (Jupiter ruled > > > > nakshatras). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Firstly, "Planet in house" dictum never fails. > > > > Secondly "Planet > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Rashi" dictum never fails. These two are enough for a > > > broad- > > > > > brush > > > > > > > > prediction. Thereafter, one can apply all the high- level > > > > mumbo- > > > > > > > jumbo > > > > > > > > WHICH usually fails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only high-level mumbo-jumbo that I've seen give > > > > consistent > > > > > > > > results is Sanjay Rath's notes about predicting nature > of > > > > > spouse > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > the quaility of marriage based on Upapada Lagna and > > > > > > planets/rashis > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 2nd and 12th from Upapada. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See, in the case of Paul Macartney, he DID have to go > > > > > > > > through "bondage" like situation as his wife was > > > frequently > > > > > > > > hospitalized and he had to care for her. -- See, Rahu in > > > 12th > > > > > > > dictum > > > > > > > > didn't fail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekanada's chart confuses me. I know a woman > with > > > > Rahu > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 12th in Scorpio, this woman has the worst character in > the > > > > > world-- > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > sells herself, lies, steals, does everthing that the > > > society > > > > > > frowns > > > > > > > > upon as long as her actions benefit her--she also has > Sun > > > in > > > > > > > > Mooltrikona in 9th house, but this great placement seems > > > to > > > > > have > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > compeltely eclipsed by debilitated Rahu in 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, don't worry about your Rahu too much--it is well- > > > > > disposited > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > the Lagna lord who again is well placed. Well, in your > > > case, > > > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > is in a friendly rashi in the throne who becomes a good > > > > > > protector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have Saturn in 5th in the enemy Rashi of Pisces and > > > > evertime > > > > > I > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > through Saturn Anatara-pratyantara, my life turns upside > > > down- > > > > - > > > > > > see, > > > > > > > > the dictum about bad effects of Shani in 5th doesn't > fail > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mukund > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Jayashree" > > > > > > > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Mukundji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consider the chart of Swami Vivekananda. His chart > comes > > > > with > > > > > > JHL > > > > > > > > > 6.0. He has debilitated Rahu in Scorpio in 12th house. > > > His > > > > > > > Sanyasa > > > > > > > > > Marga does not need my re-introduction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, based on the info provided by another member, > > > > consider > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > chart of Paul McCartney. His chart has Rahu with > Gulika > > > in > > > > 12 > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Leo. > > > > > > > > > As I read his life history yesterday, I came to know > his > > > > wife > > > > > > > > fought > > > > > > > > > and eventually was given away to Breast Cancer. This I > > > > would > > > > > > > > > attribute to being indicated by Jup, McCartney's 4/7th > > > lord > > > > > > > > acquiring > > > > > > > > > Kendradipathi dosha placed in 10th house and in A7 > > > > conjoining > > > > > > > Sun, > > > > > > > > > the dispositor of Rahu with Gulika in 12th house. > > > > > Nevertheless, > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > goes without further saying that his wife hasn't > > > > > > > afterall "suffered > > > > > > > > > hospitalization along with extra-marital affairs along > > > with > > > > > > > earning > > > > > > > > > money through unfair means". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart : Oct 31 1971, 2:32 PM, Madras, Rahu > is > > > co- > > > > > lord > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > Aquarius lagna, placed in another of Sani's houses > > > thereby > > > > > > > strongly > > > > > > > > > signifying Sanidev, and placed in 6th lord (waxing) > > > Moon's > > > > > star > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 2, > > > > > > > > > having healthy trinal relationship with dispositor and > > > > > lagnesh > > > > > > > Sani > > > > > > > > > where Sani is also placed in a friendly sign in a > > > kendra. > > > > > Also > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > noted that Rahu is devoid of any further malefic > aspects > > > or > > > > > > > > > associations such as Gulika or Mandi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jayashree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Jayashree" > > > > > > > > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mukundji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't agree with you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a different question whether someone > ascends > > > > > > > > spiritually > > > > > > > > > > in a birth or not. However, sinful activities such > as > > > > > murder, > > > > > > > > > > adultery, cruelty to children/animals/others are the > > > > > > resultant > > > > > > > > > > of 'poorva paap'. While Rahu will assist in > unfolding > > > the > > > > > > > sinful > > > > > > > > > > deeds or poorva paap, Rahu is nevertheless 'not' the > > > > > > indicator > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > accumulated sins. Infact, no single planet can be. > It > > > > > should > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > be indicated by the affliction to certain key- > houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the lady's chart, though Mars is well-placed as > > > lord > > > > of > > > > > > > poorva > > > > > > > > > > punya in Swa-kshetra, the presence of Mercury who is > > > > > 3rd/12th > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > and dispositor of Rahu/Gulika/Mandi in the 5th, and > > > the > > > > > > > > affliction > > > > > > > > > > to jala-tattwa planet Venus by two fiery planets > Mars > > > and > > > > > > Sun, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > the affliction to natural lord of intellect Budha by > > > the > > > > > same > > > > > > > > fiery > > > > > > > > > > planets in the house of intellect, along with a Sasa > > > yoga > > > > > > > caused > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > malefic Saturn on the Kalathra-Bhava show the > poorva- > > > > paap. > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > helped in unfolding this poorva-paap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu plays a key-role in giving materialistic fruits > > > and > > > > > > helps > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > grow ahamkara/moha and Vanity. Where Rahu is placed > in > > > > the > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > loss, this causes a deficiency that can manifest as > > > delay > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > fructification of the fruits of one's efforts. This > is > > > > what > > > > > a > > > > > > > > stand- > > > > > > > > > > alone Rahu is capable of producing and *nothing > more*. > > > > > Where > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > native's chart has collective good karma, along a > > > > different > > > > > > > view, > > > > > > > > > > Rahu as in 12th house causing delays and obstacles > is > > > > > > conducive > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > breaking lethargy and tamo-guna to work harder which > > > is > > > > > good > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > native in the long-run. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my view and I do not differ wee-bit from my > > > > earlier > > > > > > > > stand. > > > > > > > > > > Though I'm not versed in Jyotish formally, my > > > instincts > > > > > tell > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > is the right answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jayashree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- astrology, "monmuk111" > > > > > > > > > <monmuk111> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Jayashree: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I remember you have Rahu in 12th and couple of > years > > > > back > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > told me that your life events/experience doesn't > fit > > > > the > > > > > > > dictum > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in 12th. You may be an exception; however, > in a > > > > few > > > > > > > cases > > > > > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > > > > > seen, this dictum doesn't fail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've seen Rahu in 12th causing bondage of some > sort-- > > > > > > > difficult > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > predict, but could be in form of hospitalization > or > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > imprisonment or bondage like situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've seen Rahu in 12th causing the native to earn > a > > > lot > > > > > of > > > > > > > > money, > > > > > > > > > > > usually through illegal or underhanded activities, > > > for > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > native usually gets caught and punished or > maligned. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've seen Rahu in 12th causing the person to > ignore > > > > > > societal > > > > > > > > > norms > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > ones behavior. Sexual excesses and adultry are a > > > form > > > > of > > > > > > > breach > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > societal norms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, I know you haven't experienced/behaved in > any > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > > above > > > > > > > > > > > situation with your 12th house Rahu, but in my > > > little > > > > > > > > experience, > > > > > > > > > > > I've seen this dictum does come true and that's > what > > > > I've > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I've said isn't the universal truth. There > are > > > > > > > exceptions > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > there are exceptions to the exceptions. What I've > > > noted > > > > > is > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > generality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're still very young, lot of life is yet to be > > > > > > > experienced. > > > > > > > > > > Let's > > > > > > > > > > > hope it doesn't come true in your case as you're > > > such a > > > > > > nice > > > > > > > > > > person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mukund > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > astrology, "Jayashree" > > > > > > > > > > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Mukundji & list, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may not be the best interest of a Jyotishi to > > > > apply > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > dictum > > > > > > > > > > > > blindfold. It was during my Rahu's bhukti I > found > > > > > secure > > > > > > re- > > > > > > > > > > > > employment and realization of a long-term wish > to > > > > have > > > > > a > > > > > > > > second > > > > > > > > > > > > child, giving the direction to a seeming > disarray > > > of > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > a 3 > > > > > > > > > > > > yr period. Only caveat which 'may' fit with your > > > list > > > > > is > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > suffered for a 5 month period with severe > shoulder > > > > pain > > > > > > > (Jan - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May '04) that the doctor called as 'Muscular > > > spasm' > > > > and > > > > > I > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > banned > > > > > > > > > > > > from taking medicines too since I had conceived > my > > > > > child. > > > > > > > But > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > miraculously disappeared with no treatment in > mid- > > > > May, > > > > > so > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > doctor > > > > > > > > > > > > reversed the plate as 'no spasm'. This too, I > bet, > > > is > > > > > > more > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > transit results as Meena Rasi has been in a kind > > > > > > > of 'Grahana' > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > sometime now with Rahu in 2nd, Ketu in 8, > Jupiter > > > > (till > > > > > > > > > > recently) > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > 6, Sani in Ardhashtaka. I *never* faced any > other > > > bad- > > > > > > stuff > > > > > > > > > > listed > > > > > > > > > > > > due to 12th house Rahu, but I can say I have a > > > > tendency > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > blame > > > > > > > > > > > > myself for no mistake on my part and feel > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > guilty > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jayashree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > astrology, "monmuk111" > > > > > > > > > > > <monmuk111> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Debbie: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for being bold and truthful and sharing > > > the > > > > > > > > additional > > > > > > > > > > > > > information, it helps the Jyotish greatly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, here is a prediction I had done for you > on > > > the > > > > > > > > Jagannath > > > > > > > > > > > > board > > > > > > > > > > > > > when I didn't know ANYTHING about your > personal > > > > life > > > > > > and > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > noted > > > > > > > > > > > > > that some of the things I had told you were > true- > > > - > > > > > here > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > excerpt > > > > > > > > > > > > > from my reading: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > _ > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Hello Deborah: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You've not entered a new dasa, but a new > > > antardasa > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > maha > > > > > > > > > > > > (main) > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa of Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Rahu is placed in the 12th house from > Lagna > > > so > > > > > it > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > expected > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > give you problems. Rahu in 12th USUSALLY gives > > > > health > > > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > related confinement, litigation and related > > > > > punishment, > > > > > > > > sexual > > > > > > > > > > > > > excesses and related results like unwanted > > > > > pregnancies, > > > > > > > > STD, > > > > > > > > > > etc." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > _ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You've told us about your extra-marital affair > > > > which > > > > > I > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > > > > > > > that are the results of 12th house Rahu. You > > > also > > > > > told > > > > > > us > > > > > > > > > > > > > about "unwanted" pregnancies that I had > > > predicted > > > > > which > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > result indifference to societal norms, which > in > > > > turn > > > > > > are > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > result > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th house Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The saving grace is Rahu's placement in a > > > favorable > > > > > > rashi > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Gemini. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's 12th house placement let you astray and > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > > > benefical > > > > > > > > > > > > > placement in Gemini brough a sense of self- > > > > awareness > > > > > in > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > will lead to self-improvement. Had the 12th > > > house > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > rashi bad for Rahu such as Saggitarius or > Pices, > > > it > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > ruined > > > > > > > > > > > > > your life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See, the old sages knew what they were talking > > > > about > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > up all these dictums.--They do come true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, this gives me a small shot of confidence > > > in > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > predicting > > > > > > > > > > > > > ability. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the issue at hand is for the GURUS to > come > > > up > > > > > with > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > remedy > > > > > > > > > > > > > that'll bring some peace in your life. Let's > > > hope > > > > > some > > > > > > > > GURUS > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > > the challenge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mukund > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > > > astrology, "the_lighted1" > > > > > > > > > > > > <m18deb@a...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just wanted to include some relevant > > > > information > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > regard > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart that may be useful. I thought that I > > > > posted > > > > > > > > earlier > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess that I did it wrong because I don't > see > > > > it. > > > > > I > > > > > > > > thank > > > > > > > > > > > > everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for their insight and am using it to > > > understand > > > > my > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > better, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was married the first time on December > 20th, > > > > 1981 > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > year > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that I graduated from high school and had a > > > son > > > > on > > > > > > June > > > > > > > > > 8th, > > > > > > > > > > > > 1982. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separated from my husband in May of 1983 and > > > was > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > extra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marital affair and my husband whom I had > filed > > > > for > > > > > > > > divorce > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was in a different relationship himself > killed > > > > > > himself > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > shooting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > himself in the head with a rifle in the back > > > yard > > > > > of > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > mother's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > home on April 25, 1984 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My second marriage was May 17th, 1989. I > had > > > a > > > > son > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > prior > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the marriage on August 30th 1987 and another > > > son > > > > > > after > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > were > > > > > > > > > > > > > > married on September 6th, 1989. That > husband > > > was > > > > a > > > > > > > > severe > > > > > > > > > > > > > alcoholic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who was very abusive and I separated from > him > > > > less > > > > > > than > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > year > > > > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we were married but never filed for a > > > divorce. > > > > The > > > > > > day > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > kicked > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out was January 20th 1990 and he died of the > > > > > delirium > > > > > > > > > > tremens > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are the DT's caused by withdraw from alcohol > > > on > > > > > > October > > > > > > > > 14, > > > > > > > > > > > > 1992. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was the day before his 34th birthday. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other things that may be of interest are > that > > > my > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > > youngest > > > > > > > > > > > > sons > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been raised by my mother and father > since > > > > July > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > 1992. > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was voluntarily at first when I was > > > financially > > > > not > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but as time went by my mother did what she > > > could > > > > to > > > > > > > > prevent > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > sons > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from living with me and discouraged them to > do > > > > so. > > > > > I > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the time but my mother I feel betrayed me > > > in > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > encouraging > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sons to want to live with me and we have > had a > > > > very > > > > > > > > > strained > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks again, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Debbie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > <boxdel> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn becomes Shubha being in own house > and > > > > > > attracts > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kendradhipati > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dosha, thus giving some bad results > related > > > to > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Being 8th Lord in 7th he is also capable > of > > > > > harming > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > indications > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th house. These two are separate issues > and > > > > need > > > > > > to > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > viewed > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would say the problems in marriage could > > > > arise > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > either > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being able to communicate with spouse or > due > > > to > > > > a > > > > > > > > > somewhat > > > > > > > > > > > > > negative > > > > > > > > > > > > > > view > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of looking at things and suspicious > nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramesh Gangaramani wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your comments and for > > > pointing > > > > > out > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8L > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too. I want to understand the earlier > > > comment > > > > > of > > > > > > > > yours. > > > > > > > > > > > Does > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that Saturn in this case will not be > > > shubha > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or because it is placed in own house? > Will > > > > the > > > > > > > dictum > > > > > > > > > > > > > of 'Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > protects the house in which it is > placed' > > > get > > > > > > > diluted > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own house? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** Chandrashekhar > > > > [boxdel] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Sent:* Sunday, September 12, 2004 > > > 12:30 > > > > AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *To:* Ramesh Gangaramani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Cc:* vedic- > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Subject:* Re: [vedic astrology] I > > > have > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > widowed > > > > > > > > > > > > twice > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wondering if I will have another > chance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Debbie/Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would think Debbie might marry > again > > > > > around > > > > > > > > April > > > > > > > > > > > 2005 > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage is likely to be more > > > fortunate. > > > > > The > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mature in age than Debbie, is what I > > > > think. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way Ramesh, Malefic owning a > > > > Kendra > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > Shubha > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > occupying that Kendra, Saturn is in > > > > Kendra > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th lord too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramesh Gangaramani wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Satyam Bruyat Priyam Buryat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Debbie, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I am sorry to hear about the > > > tragedies > > > > in > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > life. I > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> initiating a discussion based on my > > > > > initial > > > > > > > > > > > > observations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> In case of females 8H signifies > > > magalaya > > > > = > > > > > > > > marital > > > > > > > > > > > bond, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> subhagya, vaidhavya = widowhood. In > > > D1, > > > > 8H > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> and Rahu. In D9 the 8H has Saturn > > > placed > > > > > in > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Mars, Venus and Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> This is what Kalyan Verma has to > > > > say "KV: > > > > > > > > Malefic > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> cause widowhood. This will occur in > > > the > > > > > Dasa > > > > > > > > > > periods > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> of the Navamsa occupied by the 8th > > > > Lord." > > > > > > Your > > > > > > > > 8L > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> placed in 8H in D9 in Leo rashi. > Lord > > > is > > > > > > Sun. > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > tragedy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> occurred in Sun-Ven-Ven dasa. > (Please > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > functional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> characteristics of Venus below.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> The first case happened in Venus > dasa > > > > > which > > > > > > is > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > functional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> malefic (kendradhipati dosha and > also > > > > 11L) > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > Cancer > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> happens to be the lord of 2nd house > > > from > > > > > UL > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > > > > > maraka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> 1st spouse. AD was that of Mercury > > > which > > > > > is > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > functional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> malefic (dusthana lord and > > > trisadipati- > > > > > 12L > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > 3L). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> UL is placed 12th from AL in D1. > This > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > indicates > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> 'rejection of spouse'. I am not > sure > > > > what > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> case. Also this applies to the 1st > > > > spouse. > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > UL > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> aspected by Sun, Mars, Mercury and > > > > Venus. > > > > > It > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > rashi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > drishti of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Saturn. I am not sure if this would > > > > > indicate > > > > > > > > > > premature > > > > > > > > > > > > > death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> the spouse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> 2nd spouse/partner is seen from 8th > > > from > > > > > UL > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > falls > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Scorpio. 2nd from that has Moon and > > > Ketu > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> of this house Jupiter however is > > > strong > > > > > and > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > protect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the UL! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> In both cases ULL Mars in own house > > > is a > > > > > > > > favorable > > > > > > > > > > > > factor > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> should have given longevity to > them! > > > > Other > > > > > > > > factor > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > 7L > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > D1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> being in own house. Saturn usually > > > > > protects > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> is placed especially so in this > case > > > > > because > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Though 8H affliction of D1 may > > > indicate > > > > > > > > widowhood, > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> positive factors too. I would > > > therefore > > > > > like > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > hear > > > > > > > > > > > > views > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> knowledgeable members . I have > > > attached > > > > > your > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > JHL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > format > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> for the sake of convenience. I hope > > > the > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > details > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> correct. Just one question please, > > > were > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > spouses > > > > > > > > > > > > > Martian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> personalities? I am sure you know > > > that > > > > UL > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > indicate a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> partner regardless of formal > > > marriage! > > > > In > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > words > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> were other stable relationships > > > (lasting > > > > > > over > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > year > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > so) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> working would change. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Before I close I must mention that > > > 3rd > > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9H > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> which in your case has Jupiter in > own > > > > > house! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> the_lighted1 > > > [m18deb@a...] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Friday, September 10, 2004 > 3:49 > > > AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> vedic- astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> [vedic astrology] I have > > > been > > > > > > widowed > > > > > > > > > > twice > > > > > > > > > > > > and am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> wondering if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I will have another chance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Hello respected Guru's and > learned > > > > > > students, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > I was wondering if you see from > my > > > own > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> future for me. I have been plagued > by > > > > > > > > unfortunate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > circumstance in my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > previous 2 marriages in which I > was > > > > > > widowed > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instances all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > before the age of 30. The first > > > time > > > > was > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > April > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1985 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > second time was October 1992. I > am > > > > > > including > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > please let me know if you need > > > > > additional > > > > > > > > > > > > information. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > currently studying on my own > until > > > I > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > educated > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to join > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> the ranks as an official student. I > > > > would > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exactly in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> my chart determines this and if > this > > > is > > > > > > going > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > happen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again or will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I not have another marriage etc.. > > > Thank > > > > > you > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > insight. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Warm Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Debbie Munger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Debbie Munger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Nov 18, 1963 10:33 PM +08:00 PST > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sacramento, CA:USA Longitude: > > > 121W30 > > > > > > > Latitude: > > > > > > > > > > 38N35 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:21 Current > > > > Period: > > > > > > > > MA/RA/RA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Planet Deg Sign Speed SA > Nakshatra > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ================================================ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Asc 21:57 Can Aslesha Me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sun 02:50 Sco +01:00:34 WK > Vishakha > > > Ju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Moon 05:14 Sag +11:55:04 WK Mula > Ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mars 24:33 Sco +00:44:34 ST > > > Jyeshtha Me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Merc 11:00 Sco +01:32:47 CM > > > Anuradha Sa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > JuptR 16:38 Pis -00:03:18 FM > > > U.Bhadra > > > > Sa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ven 23:44 Sco +01:14:46 WK > Jyeshtha > > > Me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sat 23:47 Cap +00:02:51 FM > > > Dhanishtha > > > > Ma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Rahu 18:32 Gem -00:02:11 FM > Ardra Ra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ketu 18:32 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> ******************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** 1 * * 11 ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *2 * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * RA * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * KE * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *VE * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *SA * 12 AS * 10 SU * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** * * ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *3 MA * 9 ME * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** * * ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *4 * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * 6 * 8 * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * JUR * * MO * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** 5 * * 7 ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > ======================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ke/Ma 8/22/1963 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ke/Ra 1/18/1964 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ke/Ju 2/5/1965 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ke/Sa 1/12/1966 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ke/Me 2/21/1967 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Ve 2/18/1968 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Su 6/19/1971 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Mo 6/19/1972 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Ma 2/17/1974 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Ra 4/19/1975 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Ju 4/19/1978 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Sa 12/18/1980 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Me 2/18/1984 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Ke 12/19/1986 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Su 2/18/1988 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Mo 6/6/1988 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Ma 12/6/1988 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Ra 4/13/1989 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Ju 3/8/1990 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Sa 12/25/1990 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Me 12/7/1991 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Ke 10/12/1992 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Ve 2/17/1993 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Mo 2/17/1994 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Ma 12/19/1994 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Ra 7/20/1995 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Ju 1/18/1997 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Sa 5/20/1998 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Me 12/19/1999 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Ke 5/19/2001 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Ve 12/18/2001 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Su 8/19/2003 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Ma 2/18/2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Ra 7/16/2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Ju 8/3/2005 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Sa 7/10/2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Me 8/19/2007 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Ke 8/15/2008 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Ve 1/11/2009 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Su 3/14/2010 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Mo 7/19/2010 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Ra 2/18/2011 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Ju 10/31/2013 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Sa 3/25/2016 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Me 1/30/2019 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Ke 8/19/2021 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Ve 9/6/2022 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Su 9/6/2025 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Mo 8/1/2026 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Ma 1/30/2028 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Ju 2/17/2029 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Sa 4/7/2031 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Me 10/19/2033 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Ke 1/24/2036 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Ve 12/30/2036 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Su 8/31/2039 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Mo 6/19/2040 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Ma 10/19/2041 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Ra 9/24/2042 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Sa 2/17/2045 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Me 2/21/2048 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Ke 10/31/2050 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Ve 12/10/2051 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Su 2/8/2055 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Mo 1/21/2056 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Ma 8/22/2057 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Guest guest Posted October 5, 2004 Report Share Posted October 5, 2004 Dear Ramanarayan ji, Irrespective of whatever lagna I have, thank you so much for the suggested prayers. I'm thoroughly overjoyed in receiving them, since it comes without my expectation. I'm a very religious person by nature and I love the almighty deeply. It gives me immense happiness to pray. Ramanarayan ji, may I use this opportunity to receive a Subrahmanya mantra from you? I have had this instinct to worship Lord Subrahmanya for a while now. Thank you so much again, Jayashree vedic astrology, rama narayanan <sree88ganesha> wrote: > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH > > Dear Chandrasekharji, Jayashree, > > The birth time noted as 2:32 PM is not correct. i have taken the time as 2:37PM. Rahu is no doubt placed in 12th house and is in kshiteesa (ruler of earth) shastyamsa which is benefic.(even for 2:32 PM rahu is in kshiteesa shastyamsa only). > > As per Moola dasa scheme Mars dasa and Sani Antar dasa(feb 2004 to oct. 2004) is on. > > Let us peep into shastyamsa chart. Here Rahu is placed in 3rd to Arudha lagna and in 5th to lagna. Mars is placed in 8th house to Sun and Sani is lord of 8th with reference to Moon and is placed in neecha rasi. The lagna lord has exchanged sign with Guru the 8th lord and is bound by the nodes and natural malefics sani and mars. Sani and Rahu have caused pitri shaapa. > > Let us look at Nakshatramsa to know the impulses. Here sani is placed in 3rd house and is subject to the aspect of Rahu. The 3rd house lord venus(darakaraka) is placed in makara in association with Mars and is aspected by Rahu. > > Sani is the lord of 12th house in rasi chart. This inidicates past birth. Moola antar dasa of Sani is on. Sani is pitrikaraka. In shastyamsa chart we find pitri shaapa. In Nakshatramsa Sani is placed in 3rd house and is subject to the aspect of Rahu who is the cause of completion of previous birth. Sani is the lord of 9th house in Saptamsa. Mars whose maha dasa is on is placed in 9th house. Mars is the lord of the 11th house(2nd child). In saptamsa chart Moon is associated with Rahu(placed in 5th house in saptamsa) and is placed in 9th to the dasa lord and 10th to antar dasa lord. > > From the above what i understand is that waves(dreams) of past birth had been lashing the shores of current birth. > > How to come out of this fear forts raised in the subconscious mind? > > The one simple way is to have unshakable faith on the almighty. Almighty is the past, present and future. > > Suggested remedial measure:- > > Perform mentally abhshikeha to Srimata(the all compassionate divine Mother) with the following rasas. > 1.Milk 2.curd 3.sugarcane juice 4. honey and 5. pure water. > > 2.Chant lalitha sahasranama.(mentally atleast) > > 3.Offer as naivedya Ghee payasam and vada(ulundu/urad dal) and consume the same as mahaprashad.(mentally with complete faith - Manasa puja is highly effective). > > Do this on janma nakshatra day, day of birth, fridays, pournamasi and all days during navarathri. > > Offer as dana umbrella, paduka and Bhagavat Gita to any elderly pious and needy person. Chant Namasivaaya as much times as you can on Mondays and pradosha days if not daily. This will clear away the pitri shaapa of the past birth. > > There is nothing to worry. Rest your head on the lap of Srimata. All your lapses/mistakes/sins will be wiped out in no time. Rest assured. > > May Mother bless, > > Best wishes. > p.s.ramanarayanan. > Jayashree <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekar ji, > > That is so interesting, I have never so far come across a situation > whereby my lagna was suggested differently. Yes, that is the accurate > co-ordinates for Madras, India. But I get 18 degrees odd of Aquarius > using the co-ordinates for the time of 2:32 PM. Please let me know if > the Capricorn lagna is definite. Chandrashekarji, to address the > other part regarding chart-reading based on single planets, I think > it is a disgrace that such an approach was used in this forum in > front of such learned members as yourself, Shri Narasimha Rao ji, > Shri Ramadas Rao ji, Tatvam-Asi ji and so forth. (Please excuse my > fun-making here, but I think if this is right, then the single > placement of Guru Bhagwan alone in my chart, is capable of making me > eligible for 'moksha' candidacy since he is such a divine planet ;- )) > > Please let me know regarding the lagna when your time permits. It is > so nice of you to take an interest in seeing my chart. Thank-you so > much for the same. > > Kind regards, > > Jayashree > > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel> > wrote: > > Dear Jayashree, > > May I know what co-ordinates you are using for Chennai? If 80E17 > 13N05 > > are used your Rahu comes to Lagna in Capricorn 27.46.49. Are you > certain > > your horoscope haas Rahu in 12th? Am I making some mistake in the > data? > > New version of JHHora lite appears to have Center of Sin's disc on > > Eastern horizon as default, though personally I like tip of Sun's > disc > > truly on Eastern horizon. Even so the Lagna is not likely to change > by > > about 2.5 degrees in that time. > > Would you confirm whether the chart is right? I am attaching it for > your > > ready reference in JHD format. Of course, personally, I do not > think > > everyone with Rahu in 12th would have all bad habits, since much > would > > depend on Rasi occupied and planets conjunct as well as strength of > > Lagna.I have seen many with a very pious life with that position of > > Rahu. The mail is not in that context. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Jayashree wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Vishwanatham, > > > > > > Apologies for a delayed response again. I'm into my 8th month of > > > pregnancy and I'm kind-of panicked and terrified by the > predictions > > > for Rahu in 12. I'm brought up in a somewhat traditional family > and > > > also I have a tendency to worry a lot. Also at work for the past > 1 > > > month, there's been heavy workload and worries/hassles due to > that. > > > When I read the 12th Rahu having some disastrous results, it > > > automatically put me in a 'hurt/panic' mode, afterall one of the > > > most wonderful things that have happened to me is my hubby and my > > > beautiful child (soon going to be 2 of them in 1 more month). They > > > are important to me more than my life. If you can give your views > on > > > what my 12th house Rahu signifies in my chart, that would be great > > > help to me. I think god is always with me to protect me, but I > want > > > to hear a Jyotishi's view also. I noticed my Rahu/Ketu are > > > in 'Kalinasa' sashtyamsa who is a benefic, ('kalinaasa' was > > > malefic). My dob is Oct 31st 1971, 2:32 PM, Chennai. Sorry for a > > > late reply, but I couldn't write earlier. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Jayashree > > > vedic astrology, "vishwanatham" > > > <vishwanatham@r...> wrote: > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > Dear Jayashree, > > > > > > > > You have always been nice to people on this group. i was only > > > saying > > > > what you had said, i.e., Rahu in 12th alone is not sufficient > and > > > as > > > > always with any dictum is influenced by several other factors! > > > > > > > > Can you post your birth details to see why you feel so. > > > > > > > > Thanks for your mail. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > viswanadham > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Jayashree" > > > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote: > > > > > Vishwanatham ji, > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry for a very delayed response. I guess the suggestion > to > > > > > check the sashtyamsa was hinted at me. I have to admit I'm no > > > > > jyotishi but a (self-taught) learner, the reason I keep quiet > > > > without > > > > > participating much most of the time.It just so happened that > in > > > > this > > > > > thread, having been a person of lofty ideals and strong > > > > moral/ethical > > > > > values all through my life, there was sudden insurgency of a > > > strong > > > > > impulse to speak up against what I felt was wrong/incorrect, > > > > atleast > > > > > in my case. Since every time I speak up, I immediately run > into > > > a > > > > > mentally drained/exhausted and introspective state of > analyzing > > > the > > > > > pros and cons of speaking up thus. I think "not to speak up" > is > > > > > ultimately the right thing to do afterall, and because of this > > > > > reason, I have decided not even to visit this forum for a long > > > > while > > > > > to come. For example, I have seen O'Reilly shows where he has > > > > > commented negatively on the atmosphere at India, and Hinduism > > > > > adversely for so many times. While each time I do feel the > same > > > > > impulse to speak up against it, I ultimately keep quiet since > I > > > > > cannot do anything. I once sent a long write-up protesting > > > against > > > > a > > > > > column in Boston Globe Sunday article against Engineers from > > > India, > > > > > but that never showed up anywhere for some reason :-(. Well, I > > > > guess > > > > > that's me and its time to change afterall. > > > > > > > > > > I apologize for this non-astrological message. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Jayashree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "vishwanatham" > > > > > <vishwanatham@r...> wrote: > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > Please have a look at the shashtiamsa of the planet to see > > > what > > > > > kind > > > > > > of karma the planet is carrying from the past life. That > > > requires > > > > > > some amount of BT accuracy. So we need to pause.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > viswanadham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Jayashree" > > > > > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > Mukundji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wasn't trying to prove anything. I was rather trying > > > > > > to "disprove" > > > > > > > what your statement "tried to prove" w.r.t Rahu's > placement > > > in > > > > > 12th > > > > > > > house for the entire populace that comes under its > umbrella. > > > > And > > > > > I > > > > > > am > > > > > > > justified in having proven my salt's worth for whatever > this > > > > holy > > > > > > > planet has blessed me with, for being a happy self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Allowing myself a little liberty(!) so to speak, I guess > > > > > > > reciting "Manthra-Raja Pada Stothram" should greatly > benefit > > > > you, > > > > > > > since Rahu casts 2nd argala (I don't know if this is > > > obstructed > > > > > or > > > > > > > unobstructed) being placed in Mars' house and also Mars > > > aspects > > > > > > your > > > > > > > Sani. This stothram is considered the "King of all > > > stothrams". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bye now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jayashree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "monmuk111" > > > > > > <monmuk111> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello Jayashree: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've read the notes you've posted attempting to prove > > > > > that "Rahu > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > 12th" doesn't always cause bondage, sexual immorality > and > > > > > > illegaly > > > > > > > > obtained wealth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I agree the the "Rahu in 12th" results are greatly > > > > > modified > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > the placement in a good rashi, i.e. Gemini, Virgo, > Taurus > > > and > > > > > > > Aries. > > > > > > > > I also agree that the nature of "Rahu in 12th" is > somewhat > > > > > > modified > > > > > > > > by its placement in a good nakshatra (Jupiter ruled > > > > nakshatras). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Firstly, "Planet in house" dictum never fails. > > > > Secondly "Planet > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Rashi" dictum never fails. These two are enough for a > > > broad- > > > > > brush > > > > > > > > prediction. Thereafter, one can apply all the high- level > > > > mumbo- > > > > > > > jumbo > > > > > > > > WHICH usually fails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only high-level mumbo-jumbo that I've seen give > > > > consistent > > > > > > > > results is Sanjay Rath's notes about predicting nature > of > > > > > spouse > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > the quaility of marriage based on Upapada Lagna and > > > > > > planets/rashis > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 2nd and 12th from Upapada. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See, in the case of Paul Macartney, he DID have to go > > > > > > > > through "bondage" like situation as his wife was > > > frequently > > > > > > > > hospitalized and he had to care for her. -- See, Rahu in > > > 12th > > > > > > > dictum > > > > > > > > didn't fail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekanada's chart confuses me. I know a woman > with > > > > Rahu > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 12th in Scorpio, this woman has the worst character in > the > > > > > world-- > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > sells herself, lies, steals, does everthing that the > > > society > > > > > > frowns > > > > > > > > upon as long as her actions benefit her--she also has > Sun > > > in > > > > > > > > Mooltrikona in 9th house, but this great placement seems > > > to > > > > > have > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > compeltely eclipsed by debilitated Rahu in 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, don't worry about your Rahu too much--it is well- > > > > > disposited > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > the Lagna lord who again is well placed. Well, in your > > > case, > > > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > is in a friendly rashi in the throne who becomes a good > > > > > > protector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have Saturn in 5th in the enemy Rashi of Pisces and > > > > evertime > > > > > I > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > through Saturn Anatara-pratyantara, my life turns upside > > > down- > > > > - > > > > > > see, > > > > > > > > the dictum about bad effects of Shani in 5th doesn't > fail > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mukund > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Jayashree" > > > > > > > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Mukundji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consider the chart of Swami Vivekananda. His chart > comes > > > > with > > > > > > JHL > > > > > > > > > 6.0. He has debilitated Rahu in Scorpio in 12th house. > > > His > > > > > > > Sanyasa > > > > > > > > > Marga does not need my re-introduction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, based on the info provided by another member, > > > > consider > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > chart of Paul McCartney. His chart has Rahu with > Gulika > > > in > > > > 12 > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Leo. > > > > > > > > > As I read his life history yesterday, I came to know > his > > > > wife > > > > > > > > fought > > > > > > > > > and eventually was given away to Breast Cancer. This I > > > > would > > > > > > > > > attribute to being indicated by Jup, McCartney's 4/7th > > > lord > > > > > > > > acquiring > > > > > > > > > Kendradipathi dosha placed in 10th house and in A7 > > > > conjoining > > > > > > > Sun, > > > > > > > > > the dispositor of Rahu with Gulika in 12th house. > > > > > Nevertheless, > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > goes without further saying that his wife hasn't > > > > > > > afterall "suffered > > > > > > > > > hospitalization along with extra-marital affairs along > > > with > > > > > > > earning > > > > > > > > > money through unfair means". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart : Oct 31 1971, 2:32 PM, Madras, Rahu > is > > > co- > > > > > lord > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > Aquarius lagna, placed in another of Sani's houses > > > thereby > > > > > > > strongly > > > > > > > > > signifying Sanidev, and placed in 6th lord (waxing) > > > Moon's > > > > > star > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 2, > > > > > > > > > having healthy trinal relationship with dispositor and > > > > > lagnesh > > > > > > > Sani > > > > > > > > > where Sani is also placed in a friendly sign in a > > > kendra. > > > > > Also > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > noted that Rahu is devoid of any further malefic > aspects > > > or > > > > > > > > > associations such as Gulika or Mandi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jayashree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Jayashree" > > > > > > > > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mukundji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't agree with you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a different question whether someone > ascends > > > > > > > > spiritually > > > > > > > > > > in a birth or not. However, sinful activities such > as > > > > > murder, > > > > > > > > > > adultery, cruelty to children/animals/others are the > > > > > > resultant > > > > > > > > > > of 'poorva paap'. While Rahu will assist in > unfolding > > > the > > > > > > > sinful > > > > > > > > > > deeds or poorva paap, Rahu is nevertheless 'not' the > > > > > > indicator > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > accumulated sins. Infact, no single planet can be. > It > > > > > should > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > be indicated by the affliction to certain key- > houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the lady's chart, though Mars is well-placed as > > > lord > > > > of > > > > > > > poorva > > > > > > > > > > punya in Swa-kshetra, the presence of Mercury who is > > > > > 3rd/12th > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > and dispositor of Rahu/Gulika/Mandi in the 5th, and > > > the > > > > > > > > affliction > > > > > > > > > > to jala-tattwa planet Venus by two fiery planets > Mars > > > and > > > > > > Sun, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > the affliction to natural lord of intellect Budha by > > > the > > > > > same > > > > > > > > fiery > > > > > > > > > > planets in the house of intellect, along with a Sasa > > > yoga > > > > > > > caused > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > malefic Saturn on the Kalathra-Bhava show the > poorva- > > > > paap. > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > helped in unfolding this poorva-paap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu plays a key-role in giving materialistic fruits > > > and > > > > > > helps > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > grow ahamkara/moha and Vanity. Where Rahu is placed > in > > > > the > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > loss, this causes a deficiency that can manifest as > > > delay > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > fructification of the fruits of one's efforts. This > is > > > > what > > > > > a > > > > > > > > stand- > > > > > > > > > > alone Rahu is capable of producing and *nothing > more*. > > > > > Where > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > native's chart has collective good karma, along a > > > > different > > > > > > > view, > > > > > > > > > > Rahu as in 12th house causing delays and obstacles > is > > > > > > conducive > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > breaking lethargy and tamo-guna to work harder which > > > is > > > > > good > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > native in the long-run. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my view and I do not differ wee-bit from my > > > > earlier > > > > > > > > stand. > > > > > > > > > > Though I'm not versed in Jyotish formally, my > > > instincts > > > > > tell > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > is the right answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jayashree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- astrology, "monmuk111" > > > > > > > > > <monmuk111> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Jayashree: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I remember you have Rahu in 12th and couple of > years > > > > back > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > told me that your life events/experience doesn't > fit > > > > the > > > > > > > dictum > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in 12th. You may be an exception; however, > in a > > > > few > > > > > > > cases > > > > > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > > > > > seen, this dictum doesn't fail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've seen Rahu in 12th causing bondage of some > sort-- > > > > > > > difficult > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > predict, but could be in form of hospitalization > or > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > imprisonment or bondage like situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've seen Rahu in 12th causing the native to earn > a > > > lot > > > > > of > > > > > > > > money, > > > > > > > > > > > usually through illegal or underhanded activities, > > > for > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > native usually gets caught and punished or > maligned. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've seen Rahu in 12th causing the person to > ignore > > > > > > societal > > > > > > > > > norms > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > ones behavior. Sexual excesses and adultry are a > > > form > > > > of > > > > > > > breach > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > societal norms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, I know you haven't experienced/behaved in > any > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > > above > > > > > > > > > > > situation with your 12th house Rahu, but in my > > > little > > > > > > > > experience, > > > > > > > > > > > I've seen this dictum does come true and that's > what > > > > I've > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I've said isn't the universal truth. There > are > > > > > > > exceptions > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > there are exceptions to the exceptions. What I've > > > noted > > > > > is > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > generality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're still very young, lot of life is yet to be > > > > > > > experienced. > > > > > > > > > > Let's > > > > > > > > > > > hope it doesn't come true in your case as you're > > > such a > > > > > > nice > > > > > > > > > > person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mukund > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > astrology, "Jayashree" > > > > > > > > > > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Mukundji & list, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may not be the best interest of a Jyotishi to > > > > apply > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > dictum > > > > > > > > > > > > blindfold. It was during my Rahu's bhukti I > found > > > > > secure > > > > > > re- > > > > > > > > > > > > employment and realization of a long-term wish > to > > > > have > > > > > a > > > > > > > > second > > > > > > > > > > > > child, giving the direction to a seeming > disarray > > > of > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > a 3 > > > > > > > > > > > > yr period. Only caveat which 'may' fit with your > > > list > > > > > is > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > suffered for a 5 month period with severe > shoulder > > > > pain > > > > > > > (Jan - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May '04) that the doctor called as 'Muscular > > > spasm' > > > > and > > > > > I > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > banned > > > > > > > > > > > > from taking medicines too since I had conceived > my > > > > > child. > > > > > > > But > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > miraculously disappeared with no treatment in > mid- > > > > May, > > > > > so > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > doctor > > > > > > > > > > > > reversed the plate as 'no spasm'. This too, I > bet, > > > is > > > > > > more > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > transit results as Meena Rasi has been in a kind > > > > > > > of 'Grahana' > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > sometime now with Rahu in 2nd, Ketu in 8, > Jupiter > > > > (till > > > > > > > > > > recently) > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > 6, Sani in Ardhashtaka. I *never* faced any > other > > > bad- > > > > > > stuff > > > > > > > > > > listed > > > > > > > > > > > > due to 12th house Rahu, but I can say I have a > > > > tendency > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > blame > > > > > > > > > > > > myself for no mistake on my part and feel > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > guilty > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jayashree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > astrology, "monmuk111" > > > > > > > > > > > <monmuk111> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Debbie: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for being bold and truthful and sharing > > > the > > > > > > > > additional > > > > > > > > > > > > > information, it helps the Jyotish greatly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, here is a prediction I had done for you > on > > > the > > > > > > > > Jagannath > > > > > > > > > > > > board > > > > > > > > > > > > > when I didn't know ANYTHING about your > personal > > > > life > > > > > > and > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > noted > > > > > > > > > > > > > that some of the things I had told you were > true- > > > - > > > > > here > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > excerpt > > > > > > > > > > > > > from my reading: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > _ > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Hello Deborah: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You've not entered a new dasa, but a new > > > antardasa > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > maha > > > > > > > > > > > > (main) > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa of Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Rahu is placed in the 12th house from > Lagna > > > so > > > > > it > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > expected > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > give you problems. Rahu in 12th USUSALLY gives > > > > health > > > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > related confinement, litigation and related > > > > > punishment, > > > > > > > > sexual > > > > > > > > > > > > > excesses and related results like unwanted > > > > > pregnancies, > > > > > > > > STD, > > > > > > > > > > etc." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > _ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You've told us about your extra-marital affair > > > > which > > > > > I > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > > > > > > > that are the results of 12th house Rahu. You > > > also > > > > > told > > > > > > us > > > > > > > > > > > > > about "unwanted" pregnancies that I had > > > predicted > > > > > which > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > result indifference to societal norms, which > in > > > > turn > > > > > > are > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > result > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th house Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The saving grace is Rahu's placement in a > > > favorable > > > > > > rashi > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Gemini. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's 12th house placement let you astray and > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > > > benefical > > > > > > > > > > > > > placement in Gemini brough a sense of self- > > > > awareness > > > > > in > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > will lead to self-improvement. Had the 12th > > > house > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > rashi bad for Rahu such as Saggitarius or > Pices, > > > it > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > ruined > > > > > > > > > > > > > your life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See, the old sages knew what they were talking > > > > about > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > up all these dictums.--They do come true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, this gives me a small shot of confidence > > > in > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > predicting > > > > > > > > > > > > > ability. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the issue at hand is for the GURUS to > come > > > up > > > > > with > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > remedy > > > > > > > > > > > > > that'll bring some peace in your life. Let's > > > hope > > > > > some > > > > > > > > GURUS > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > > the challenge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mukund > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > > > astrology, "the_lighted1" > > > > > > > > > > > > <m18deb@a...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just wanted to include some relevant > > > > information > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > regard > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart that may be useful. I thought that I > > > > posted > > > > > > > > earlier > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess that I did it wrong because I don't > see > > > > it. > > > > > I > > > > > > > > thank > > > > > > > > > > > > everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for their insight and am using it to > > > understand > > > > my > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > better, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was married the first time on December > 20th, > > > > 1981 > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > year > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that I graduated from high school and had a > > > son > > > > on > > > > > > June > > > > > > > > > 8th, > > > > > > > > > > > > 1982. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separated from my husband in May of 1983 and > > > was > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > extra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marital affair and my husband whom I had > filed > > > > for > > > > > > > > divorce > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was in a different relationship himself > killed > > > > > > himself > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > shooting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > himself in the head with a rifle in the back > > > yard > > > > > of > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > mother's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > home on April 25, 1984 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My second marriage was May 17th, 1989. I > had > > > a > > > > son > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > prior > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the marriage on August 30th 1987 and another > > > son > > > > > > after > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > were > > > > > > > > > > > > > > married on September 6th, 1989. That > husband > > > was > > > > a > > > > > > > > severe > > > > > > > > > > > > > alcoholic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who was very abusive and I separated from > him > > > > less > > > > > > than > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > year > > > > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we were married but never filed for a > > > divorce. > > > > The > > > > > > day > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > kicked > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out was January 20th 1990 and he died of the > > > > > delirium > > > > > > > > > > tremens > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are the DT's caused by withdraw from alcohol > > > on > > > > > > October > > > > > > > > 14, > > > > > > > > > > > > 1992. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was the day before his 34th birthday. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other things that may be of interest are > that > > > my > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > > youngest > > > > > > > > > > > > sons > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been raised by my mother and father > since > > > > July > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > 1992. > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was voluntarily at first when I was > > > financially > > > > not > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but as time went by my mother did what she > > > could > > > > to > > > > > > > > prevent > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > sons > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from living with me and discouraged them to > do > > > > so. > > > > > I > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the time but my mother I feel betrayed me > > > in > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > encouraging > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sons to want to live with me and we have > had a > > > > very > > > > > > > > > strained > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks again, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Debbie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > <boxdel> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn becomes Shubha being in own house > and > > > > > > attracts > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kendradhipati > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dosha, thus giving some bad results > related > > > to > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Being 8th Lord in 7th he is also capable > of > > > > > harming > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > indications > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th house. These two are separate issues > and > > > > need > > > > > > to > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > viewed > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would say the problems in marriage could > > > > arise > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > either > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being able to communicate with spouse or > due > > > to > > > > a > > > > > > > > > somewhat > > > > > > > > > > > > > negative > > > > > > > > > > > > > > view > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of looking at things and suspicious > nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramesh Gangaramani wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your comments and for > > > pointing > > > > > out > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8L > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too. I want to understand the earlier > > > comment > > > > > of > > > > > > > > yours. > > > > > > > > > > > Does > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that Saturn in this case will not be > > > shubha > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or because it is placed in own house? > Will > > > > the > > > > > > > dictum > > > > > > > > > > > > > of 'Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > protects the house in which it is > placed' > > > get > > > > > > > diluted > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own house? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** Chandrashekhar > > > > [boxdel] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Sent:* Sunday, September 12, 2004 > > > 12:30 > > > > AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *To:* Ramesh Gangaramani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Cc:* vedic- > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Subject:* Re: [vedic astrology] I > > > have > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > widowed > > > > > > > > > > > > twice > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wondering if I will have another > chance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Debbie/Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would think Debbie might marry > again > > > > > around > > > > > > > > April > > > > > > > > > > > 2005 > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage is likely to be more > > > fortunate. > > > > > The > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mature in age than Debbie, is what I > > > > think. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way Ramesh, Malefic owning a > > > > Kendra > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > Shubha > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > occupying that Kendra, Saturn is in > > > > Kendra > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th lord too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramesh Gangaramani wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Satyam Bruyat Priyam Buryat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Debbie, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I am sorry to hear about the > > > tragedies > > > > in > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > life. I > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> initiating a discussion based on my > > > > > initial > > > > > > > > > > > > observations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> In case of females 8H signifies > > > magalaya > > > > = > > > > > > > > marital > > > > > > > > > > > bond, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> subhagya, vaidhavya = widowhood. In > > > D1, > > > > 8H > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> and Rahu. In D9 the 8H has Saturn > > > placed > > > > > in > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Mars, Venus and Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> This is what Kalyan Verma has to > > > > say "KV: > > > > > > > > Malefic > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> cause widowhood. This will occur in > > > the > > > > > Dasa > > > > > > > > > > periods > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> of the Navamsa occupied by the 8th > > > > Lord." > > > > > > Your > > > > > > > > 8L > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> placed in 8H in D9 in Leo rashi. > Lord > > > is > > > > > > Sun. > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > tragedy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> occurred in Sun-Ven-Ven dasa. > (Please > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > functional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> characteristics of Venus below.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> The first case happened in Venus > dasa > > > > > which > > > > > > is > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > functional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> malefic (kendradhipati dosha and > also > > > > 11L) > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > Cancer > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> happens to be the lord of 2nd house > > > from > > > > > UL > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > > > > > maraka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> 1st spouse. AD was that of Mercury > > > which > > > > > is > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > functional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> malefic (dusthana lord and > > > trisadipati- > > > > > 12L > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > 3L). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> UL is placed 12th from AL in D1. > This > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > indicates > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> 'rejection of spouse'. I am not > sure > > > > what > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> case. Also this applies to the 1st > > > > spouse. > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > UL > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> aspected by Sun, Mars, Mercury and > > > > Venus. > > > > > It > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > rashi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > drishti of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Saturn. I am not sure if this would > > > > > indicate > > > > > > > > > > premature > > > > > > > > > > > > > death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> the spouse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> 2nd spouse/partner is seen from 8th > > > from > > > > > UL > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > falls > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Scorpio. 2nd from that has Moon and > > > Ketu > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> of this house Jupiter however is > > > strong > > > > > and > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > protect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the UL! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> In both cases ULL Mars in own house > > > is a > > > > > > > > favorable > > > > > > > > > > > > factor > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> should have given longevity to > them! > > > > Other > > > > > > > > factor > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > 7L > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > D1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> being in own house. Saturn usually > > > > > protects > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> is placed especially so in this > case > > > > > because > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Though 8H affliction of D1 may > > > indicate > > > > > > > > widowhood, > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> positive factors too. I would > > > therefore > > > > > like > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > hear > > > > > > > > > > > > views > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> knowledgeable members . I have > > > attached > > > > > your > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > JHL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > format > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> for the sake of convenience. I hope > > > the > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > details > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> correct. Just one question please, > > > were > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > spouses > > > > > > > > > > > > > Martian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> personalities? I am sure you know > > > that > > > > UL > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > indicate a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> partner regardless of formal > > > marriage! > > > > In > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > words > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> were other stable relationships > > > (lasting > > > > > > over > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > year > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > so) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> working would change. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Before I close I must mention that > > > 3rd > > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9H > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> which in your case has Jupiter in > own > > > > > house! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> the_lighted1 > > > [m18deb@a...] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Friday, September 10, 2004 > 3:49 > > > AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> vedic- astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> [vedic astrology] I have > > > been > > > > > > widowed > > > > > > > > > > twice > > > > > > > > > > > > and am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> wondering if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I will have another chance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Hello respected Guru's and > learned > > > > > > students, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > I was wondering if you see from > my > > > own > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> future for me. I have been plagued > by > > > > > > > > unfortunate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > circumstance in my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > previous 2 marriages in which I > was > > > > > > widowed > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instances all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > before the age of 30. The first > > > time > > > > was > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > April > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1985 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > second time was October 1992. I > am > > > > > > including > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > please let me know if you need > > > > > additional > > > > > > > > > > > > information. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > currently studying on my own > until > > > I > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > educated > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to join > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> the ranks as an official student. I > > > > would > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exactly in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> my chart determines this and if > this > > > is > > > > > > going > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > happen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again or will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I not have another marriage etc.. > > > Thank > > > > > you > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > insight. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Warm Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Debbie Munger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Debbie Munger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Nov 18, 1963 10:33 PM +08:00 PST > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sacramento, CA:USA Longitude: > > > 121W30 > > > > > > > Latitude: > > > > > > > > > > 38N35 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:21 Current > > > > Period: > > > > > > > > MA/RA/RA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Planet Deg Sign Speed SA > Nakshatra > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ================================================ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Asc 21:57 Can Aslesha Me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sun 02:50 Sco +01:00:34 WK > Vishakha > > > Ju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Moon 05:14 Sag +11:55:04 WK Mula > Ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mars 24:33 Sco +00:44:34 ST > > > Jyeshtha Me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Merc 11:00 Sco +01:32:47 CM > > > Anuradha Sa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > JuptR 16:38 Pis -00:03:18 FM > > > U.Bhadra > > > > Sa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ven 23:44 Sco +01:14:46 WK > Jyeshtha > > > Me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sat 23:47 Cap +00:02:51 FM > > > Dhanishtha > > > > Ma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Rahu 18:32 Gem -00:02:11 FM > Ardra Ra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ketu 18:32 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Guest guest Posted October 5, 2004 Report Share Posted October 5, 2004 ` nmae naray[ay, om namo näräyaëäya| Dear Jayashree Ji, If the Lagna has to change to Makara,then your birth time has to be 13:21:14 Hrs.Your reported time of birth is 14:32 Hrs.which I find to be almost accurate and as per that I get Kumbha Lagna 18 Deg.14'2.64" using Sun rise options : The centre of Sun's disc is truly on eastern horizon ".You are born in Akasha Tattwa- Vaayu Antara Tattwa.I am giving here the qualities of native born in these 2 tattvas. Now Akasha tattwa is ruled by Guru and indicates male Tattwa.The characters are joy,delight,happiness,satisfaction,faith in good periods,generosity,growth,fear of apprehension etc.Have good ideals in life and if Guru afflicted,depression and dissipating energy are the results.Normally Akasha tattwa natives have self confidence,reliance,menatl and physical strength.Philosophy,finace, law and writings suits them.Persons with divine strength,persons who do not know secret dealings,friendly persons are born in this tattwa. Now Vaayu Antara Tattwa is female ruled by Shani.The qualities are best thinking,meditation,steadiness,patience and hard work,practical,grasp anything quickly,not tolerate untruth and ingratitude.research,geology,philosophy suits them. Now here I will give you a new concept called Rahu Centric Theory.Now we know that Rahu/Ketu are Karmic planets.Our complete is within Rahu/Ketu axis.Rahu is Maaya and illusion and hence give us a desire in our mind based on our Poorva Karmas.So in this life we try to achieve that aim/goal and finally we end in nothing,everything is swallowed into Kaala who is nothing but Rahu himself.Ketu is Moksha Karaka and Moksha is decided by Ketu depending on our good Karmas in our life.Now Rahu is also Yoni Mukha and it is Rahu who makes the attraction between man and woman and finally gives a wedding knot.Now we know that when a woman delivers a child,the Yoni will get expanded almost 3 times of its size.Also Rahu is Sarpa and when it catches a prey,it widens its mouth almost 3 times of its size.So it means the houses next and 12th to Rahu are posioned by malefic planets,then problems in married life can be seen.Now Rahu likes to be in 4th house as Rahu rules over Chidras ie., openings in the upper parts of our body ie., eyes,nose,mouth,ears.So keeping Rahu in 4th house let us go back to 4 houses and in your chart it is Tula is Yoni Badha Lagna or YBL.Now we know 5th is Putra Shana and it is afflicted by Kuja as he is in 2nd to Rahu.9th is house of delivery and its lord Budha is in YBL Tula along with debilitated Surya.But YBL lord Shukra is in 2nd with Guru and this is really a boon in your chart.This Guru aspects the 5th lord Shani (V) considered from YBL,so you will be blessed with Putra Sukha. Now at the moment ,you are running Ketu-Guru- Budha from 20/09/2004 to 07/11/2004.As Budha is 9th lord from YBL who is in Lagna and is with Surya debilitated,there may be some problems during delivery time.As Kuja is in trine to Budha, there may be possibility of surgery.Now transit Guru which is in Kanya aspects Chandra,the 10th lord from YBL, Rahu and Shani (V),the 5th lord from YBL,by the grace of God, all the problems will be solved and you will be blessed with a female child.Here my opinion is Shani (V) is the lord of 5th from YBL is in Rohini Nakshatra ruled by Chandra who is placed in Meena rashi, an even sign indicate a female child. With Shri Hari Vaayu naama Smarana, Ramadas Rao. Jayashree <Jayashree_Ravi (AT) mail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Chandrashekar ji,That is so interesting, I have never so far come across a situation whereby my lagna was suggested differently. Yes, that is the accurate co-ordinates for Madras, India. But I get 18 degrees odd of Aquarius using the co-ordinates for the time of 2:32 PM. Please let me know if the Capricorn lagna is definite. Chandrashekarji, to address the other part regarding chart-reading based on single planets, I think it is a disgrace that such an approach was used in this forum in front of such learned members as yourself, Shri Narasimha Rao ji, Shri Ramadas Rao ji, Tatvam-Asi ji and so forth. (Please excuse my fun-making here, but I think if this is right, then the single placement of Guru Bhagwan alone in my chart, is capable of making me eligible for 'moksha' candidacy since he is such a divine planet ;-)) Please let me know regarding the lagna when your time permits. It is so nice of you to take an interest in seeing my chart. Thank-you so much for the same.Kind regards,Jayashreevedic astrology, Chandrashekhar wrote:> Dear Jayashree,> May I know what co-ordinates you are using for Chennai? If 80E17 13N05 > are used your Rahu comes to Lagna in Capricorn 27.46.49. Are you certain > your horoscope haas Rahu in 12th? Am I making some mistake in the data?> New version of JHHora lite appears to have Center of Sin's disc on > Eastern horizon as default, though personally I like tip of Sun's disc > truly on Eastern horizon. Even so the Lagna is not likely to change by > about 2.5 degrees in that time.> Would you confirm whether the chart is right? I am attaching it for your > ready reference in JHD format. Of course, personally, I do not think > everyone with Rahu in 12th would have all bad habits, since much would > depend on Rasi occupied and planets conjunct as well as strength of > Lagna.I have seen many with a very pious life with that position of > Rahu. The mail is not in that context.> Chandrashekhar.> > Jayashree wrote:> > >> > Dear Shri Vishwanatham,> >> > Apologies for a delayed response again. I'm into my 8th month of> > pregnancy and I'm kind-of panicked and terrified by the predictions> > for Rahu in 12. I'm brought up in a somewhat traditional family and> > also I have a tendency to worry a lot. Also at work for the past 1> > month, there's been heavy workload and worries/hassles due to that.> > When I read the 12th Rahu having some disastrous results, it> > automatically put me in a 'hurt/panic' mode, afterall one of the> > most wonderful things that have happened to me is my hubby and my> > beautiful child (soon going to be 2 of them in 1 more month). They> > are important to me more than my life. If you can give your views on> > what my 12th house Rahu signifies in my chart, that would be great> > help to me. I think god is always with me to protect me, but I want> > to hear a Jyotishi's view also. I noticed my Rahu/Ketu are> > in 'Kalinasa' sashtyamsa who is a benefic, ('kalinaasa' was> > malefic). My dob is Oct 31st 1971, 2:32 PM, Chennai. Sorry for a> > late reply, but I couldn't write earlier.> >> > Thanks,> >> > Jayashree> > vedic astrology, "vishwanatham"> > wrote:> > > Hare Rama Krishna> > >> > > Dear Jayashree,> > >> > > You have always been nice to people on this group. i was only> > saying> > > what you had said, i.e., Rahu in 12th alone is not sufficient and> > as> > > always with any dictum is influenced by several other factors!> > >> > > Can you post your birth details to see why you feel so.> > >> > > Thanks for your mail.> > >> > > regards> > > viswanadham> > >> > > --- In vedic astrology, "Jayashree"> > > wrote:> > > > Vishwanatham ji,> > > >> > > > I'm sorry for a very delayed response. I guess the suggestion to> > > > check the sashtyamsa was hinted at me. I have to admit I'm no> > > > jyotishi but a (self-taught) learner, the reason I keep quiet> > > without> > > > participating much most of the time.It just so happened that in> > > this> > > > thread, having been a person of lofty ideals and strong> > > moral/ethical> > > > values all through my life, there was sudden insurgency of a> > strong> > > > impulse to speak up against what I felt was wrong/incorrect,> > > atleast> > > > in my case. Since every time I speak up, I immediately run into> > a> > > > mentally drained/exhausted and introspective state of analyzing> > the> > > > pros and cons of speaking up thus. I think "not to speak up" is> > > > ultimately the right thing to do afterall, and because of this> > > > reason, I have decided not even to visit this forum for a long> > > while> > > > to come. For example, I have seen O'Reilly shows where he has> > > > commented negatively on the atmosphere at India, and Hinduism> > > > adversely for so many times. While each time I do feel the same> > > > impulse to speak up against it, I ultimately keep quiet since I> > > > cannot do anything. I once sent a long write-up protesting> > against> > > a> > > > column in Boston Globe Sunday article against Engineers from> > India,> > > > but that never showed up anywhere for some reason :-(. Well, I> > > guess> > > > that's me and its time to change afterall.> > > >> > > > I apologize for this non-astrological message.> > > >> > > > Thanks> > > >> > > > Jayashree> > > >> > > >> > > > --- In vedic astrology, "vishwanatham"> > > > wrote:> > > > > Hare Rama Krishna> > > > >> > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > >> > > > > Please have a look at the shashtiamsa of the planet to see> > what> > > > kind> > > > > of karma the planet is carrying from the past life. That> > requires> > > > > some amount of BT accuracy. So we need to pause....> > > > >> > > > > Hope this helps.> > > > >> > > > > regards> > > > > viswanadham> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > --- In vedic astrology, "Jayashree"> > > > > wrote:> > > > > > Mukundji,> > > > > >> > > > > > I wasn't trying to prove anything. I was rather trying> > > > > to "disprove"> > > > > > what your statement "tried to prove" w.r.t Rahu's placement> > in> > > > 12th> > > > > > house for the entire populace that comes under its umbrella.> > > And> > > > I> > > > > am> > > > > > justified in having proven my salt's worth for whatever this> > > holy> > > > > > planet has blessed me with, for being a happy self.> > > > > >> > > > > > Allowing myself a little liberty(!) so to speak, I guess> > > > > > reciting "Manthra-Raja Pada Stothram" should greatly benefit> > > you,> > > > > > since Rahu casts 2nd argala (I don't know if this is> > obstructed> > > > or> > > > > > unobstructed) being placed in Mars' house and also Mars> > aspects> > > > > your> > > > > > Sani. This stothram is considered the "King of all> > stothrams".> > > > > >> > > > > > Bye now.> > > > > >> > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > Jayashree> > > > > >> > > > > > vedic astrology, "monmuk111"> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > Hello Jayashree:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I've read the notes you've posted attempting to prove> > > > that "Rahu> > > > > is> > > > > > > 12th" doesn't always cause bondage, sexual immorality and> > > > > illegaly> > > > > > > obtained wealth.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Yes, I agree the the "Rahu in 12th" results are greatly> > > > modified> > > > > by> > > > > > > the placement in a good rashi, i.e. Gemini, Virgo, Taurus> > and> > > > > > Aries.> > > > > > > I also agree that the nature of "Rahu in 12th" is somewhat> > > > > modified> > > > > > > by its placement in a good nakshatra (Jupiter ruled> > > nakshatras).> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Firstly, "Planet in house" dictum never fails.> > > Secondly "Planet> > > > > in> > > > > > > Rashi" dictum never fails. These two are enough for a> > broad-> > > > brush> > > > > > > prediction. Thereafter, one can apply all the high-level> > > mumbo-> > > > > > jumbo> > > > > > > WHICH usually fails.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The only high-level mumbo-jumbo that I've seen give> > > consistent> > > > > > > results is Sanjay Rath's notes about predicting nature of> > > > spouse> > > > > > and> > > > > > > the quaility of marriage based on Upapada Lagna and> > > > > planets/rashis> > > > > > in> > > > > > > 2nd and 12th from Upapada.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > See, in the case of Paul Macartney, he DID have to go> > > > > > > through "bondage" like situation as his wife was> > frequently> > > > > > > hospitalized and he had to care for her. -- See, Rahu in> > 12th> > > > > > dictum> > > > > > > didn't fail.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Swami Vivekanada's chart confuses me. I know a woman with> > > Rahu> > > > in> > > > > > > 12th in Scorpio, this woman has the worst character in the> > > > world--> > > > > > she> > > > > > > sells herself, lies, steals, does everthing that the> > society> > > > > frowns> > > > > > > upon as long as her actions benefit her--she also has Sun> > in> > > > > > > Mooltrikona in 9th house, but this great placement seems> > to> > > > have> > > > > > been> > > > > > > compeltely eclipsed by debilitated Rahu in 6th.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Now, don't worry about your Rahu too much--it is well-> > > > disposited> > > > > by> > > > > > > the Lagna lord who again is well placed. Well, in your> > case,> > > > > > Jupiter> > > > > > > is in a friendly rashi in the throne who becomes a good> > > > > protector.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I have Saturn in 5th in the enemy Rashi of Pisces and> > > evertime> > > > I> > > > > go> > > > > > > through Saturn Anatara-pratyantara, my life turns upside> > down-> > > -> > > > > see,> > > > > > > the dictum about bad effects of Shani in 5th doesn't fail> > > here.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Mukund> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- In vedic astrology, "Jayashree"> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > Mukundji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Consider the chart of Swami Vivekananda. His chart comes> > > with> > > > > JHL> > > > > > > > 6.0. He has debilitated Rahu in Scorpio in 12th house.> > His> > > > > > Sanyasa> > > > > > > > Marga does not need my re-introduction.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Also, based on the info provided by another member,> > > consider> > > > > the> > > > > > > > chart of Paul McCartney. His chart has Rahu with Gulika> > in> > > 12> > > > > in> > > > > > > Leo.> > > > > > > > As I read his life history yesterday, I came to know his> > > wife> > > > > > > fought> > > > > > > > and eventually was given away to Breast Cancer. This I> > > would> > > > > > > > attribute to being indicated by Jup, McCartney's 4/7th> > lord> > > > > > > acquiring> > > > > > > > Kendradipathi dosha placed in 10th house and in A7> > > conjoining> > > > > > Sun,> > > > > > > > the dispositor of Rahu with Gulika in 12th house.> > > > Nevertheless,> > > > > > it> > > > > > > > goes without further saying that his wife hasn't> > > > > > afterall "suffered> > > > > > > > hospitalization along with extra-marital affairs along> > with> > > > > > earning> > > > > > > > money through unfair means".> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In my own chart : Oct 31 1971, 2:32 PM, Madras, Rahu is> > co-> > > > lord> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > Aquarius lagna, placed in another of Sani's houses> > thereby> > > > > > strongly> > > > > > > > signifying Sanidev, and placed in 6th lord (waxing)> > Moon's> > > > star> > > > > > in> > > > > > > 2,> > > > > > > > having healthy trinal relationship with dispositor and> > > > lagnesh> > > > > > Sani> > > > > > > > where Sani is also placed in a friendly sign in a> > kendra.> > > > Also> > > > > to> > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > noted that Rahu is devoid of any further malefic aspects> > or> > > > > > > > associations such as Gulika or Mandi.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Jayashree> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Jayashree"> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > Mukundji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I don't agree with you.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > It may be a different question whether someone ascends> > > > > > > spiritually> > > > > > > > > in a birth or not. However, sinful activities such as> > > > murder,> > > > > > > > > adultery, cruelty to children/animals/others are the> > > > > resultant> > > > > > > > > of 'poorva paap'. While Rahu will assist in unfolding> > the> > > > > > sinful> > > > > > > > > deeds or poorva paap, Rahu is nevertheless 'not' the> > > > > indicator> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > accumulated sins. Infact, no single planet can be. It> > > > should> > > > > > > rather> > > > > > > > > be indicated by the affliction to certain key-houses.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > In the lady's chart, though Mars is well-placed as> > lord> > > of> > > > > > poorva> > > > > > > > > punya in Swa-kshetra, the presence of Mercury who is> > > > 3rd/12th> > > > > > > lord> > > > > > > > > and dispositor of Rahu/Gulika/Mandi in the 5th, and> > the> > > > > > > affliction> > > > > > > > > to jala-tattwa planet Venus by two fiery planets Mars> > and> > > > > Sun,> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > the affliction to natural lord of intellect Budha by> > the> > > > same> > > > > > > fiery> > > > > > > > > planets in the house of intellect, along with a Sasa> > yoga> > > > > > caused> > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > malefic Saturn on the Kalathra-Bhava show the poorva-> > > paap.> > > > > Rahu> > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > helped in unfolding this poorva-paap.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Rahu plays a key-role in giving materialistic fruits> > and> > > > > helps> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > grow ahamkara/moha and Vanity. Where Rahu is placed in> > > the> > > > > > house> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > loss, this causes a deficiency that can manifest as> > delay> > > > in> > > > > > > > > fructification of the fruits of one's efforts. This is> > > what> > > > a> > > > > > > stand-> > > > > > > > > alone Rahu is capable of producing and *nothing more*.> > > > Where> > > > > a> > > > > > > > > native's chart has collective good karma, along a> > > different> > > > > > view,> > > > > > > > > Rahu as in 12th house causing delays and obstacles is> > > > > conducive> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > breaking lethargy and tamo-guna to work harder which> > is> > > > good> > > > > > for> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > native in the long-run.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > This is my view and I do not differ wee-bit from my> > > earlier> > > > > > > stand.> > > > > > > > > Though I'm not versed in Jyotish formally, my> > instincts> > > > tell> > > > > me> > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > is the right answer.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Jayashree> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "monmuk111"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > Hello Jayashree:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I remember you have Rahu in 12th and couple of years> > > back> > > > > you> > > > > > > had> > > > > > > > > > told me that your life events/experience doesn't fit> > > the> > > > > > dictum> > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > Rahu in 12th. You may be an exception; however, in a> > > few> > > > > > cases> > > > > > > > > I've> > > > > > > > > > seen, this dictum doesn't fail.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I've seen Rahu in 12th causing bondage of some sort--> > > > > > difficult> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > predict, but could be in form of hospitalization or> > > > actual> > > > > > > > > > imprisonment or bondage like situation.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I've seen Rahu in 12th causing the native to earn a> > lot> > > > of> > > > > > > money,> > > > > > > > > > usually through illegal or underhanded activities,> > for> > > > > which> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > native usually gets caught and punished or maligned.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I've seen Rahu in 12th causing the person to ignore> > > > > societal> > > > > > > > norms> > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > ones behavior. Sexual excesses and adultry are a> > form> > > of> > > > > > breach> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > societal norms.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now, I know you haven't experienced/behaved in any> > of> > > > the> > > > > > > above> > > > > > > > > > situation with your 12th house Rahu, but in my> > little> > > > > > > experience,> > > > > > > > > > I've seen this dictum does come true and that's what> > > I've> > > > > > said> > > > > > > > > here.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > What I've said isn't the universal truth. There are> > > > > > exceptions> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > there are exceptions to the exceptions. What I've> > noted> > > > is> > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > generality.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > You're still very young, lot of life is yet to be> > > > > > experienced.> > > > > > > > > Let's> > > > > > > > > > hope it doesn't come true in your case as you're> > such a> > > > > nice> > > > > > > > > person.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mukund> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > --- In vedic astrology, "Jayashree"> > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > Mukundji & list,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > It may not be the best interest of a Jyotishi to> > > apply> > > > > any> > > > > > > > > dictum> > > > > > > > > > > blindfold. It was during my Rahu's bhukti I found> > > > secure> > > > > re-> > > > > > > > > > > employment and realization of a long-term wish to> > > have> > > > a> > > > > > > second> > > > > > > > > > > child, giving the direction to a seeming disarray> > of> > > > > things> > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > a 3> > > > > > > > > > > yr period. Only caveat which 'may' fit with your> > list> > > > is> > > > > > that> > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > suffered for a 5 month period with severe shoulder> > > pain> > > > > > (Jan -> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May '04) that the doctor called as 'Muscular> > spasm'> > > and> > > > I> > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > > banned> > > > > > > > > > > from taking medicines too since I had conceived my> > > > child.> > > > > > But> > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > miraculously disappeared with no treatment in mid-> > > May,> > > > so> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > doctor> > > > > > > > > > > reversed the plate as 'no spasm'. This too, I bet,> > is> > > > > more> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > transit results as Meena Rasi has been in a kind> > > > > > of 'Grahana'> > > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > > sometime now with Rahu in 2nd, Ketu in 8, Jupiter> > > (till> > > > > > > > > recently)> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > 6, Sani in Ardhashtaka. I *never* faced any other> > bad-> > > > > stuff> > > > > > > > > listed> > > > > > > > > > > due to 12th house Rahu, but I can say I have a> > > tendency> > > > > to> > > > > > > > blame> > > > > > > > > > > myself for no mistake on my part and feel> > > unnecessarily> > > > > > > guilty> > > > > > > > > > > sometimes.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Jayashree> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > --- In vedic-> > astrology, "monmuk111"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Debbie:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for being bold and truthful and sharing> > the> > > > > > > additional> > > > > > > > > > > > information, it helps the Jyotish greatly.> > > > > > > > > > > >=== message truncated === India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2004 Report Share Posted October 5, 2004 Dear Jayashree, It was my mistake. Sarath spotted it right. I entered 13th instead of 31st, as the date of birth in the data. I have corrected it now. Anyway, even with Rahu in 12th, the situation does not change. You have a strong Lagna with Lagnesh Saturn aspecting Aquarius Lagna which is his own Mool Trikona Rasi. Saturn also gets aspect of Jupiter. Venus aspects the Saturn in Taurus Rasi owned by itself. So 4th house is strengthened, which strengthens Saturn who in turn strengthens Lagna and Jupiter's aspect makes for benefic influence on Saturn. Now Rahu occupying 12th in Capricorn would give results of Saturn the Lord of the house. So the results attributed to Rahu in 12th could not manifest. As a matter of fact, I have noticed that Saturn and Jupiter Sambandha generally leads one to things spiritual. I agree with you that nothing should be applied as a stand-alone factor in any chart. It is more likely to lead one astray. Do not take these statements in isolation, may be the intention in the mail was quite innocent. You should keep a cool head , now that you are in an advanced state of pregnancy. Take care, Chandrashekhar. Jayashree wrote: Dear Chandrashekar ji, That is so interesting, I have never so far come across a situation whereby my lagna was suggested differently. Yes, that is the accurate co-ordinates for Madras, India. But I get 18 degrees odd of Aquarius using the co-ordinates for the time of 2:32 PM. Please let me know if the Capricorn lagna is definite. Chandrashekarji, to address the other part regarding chart-reading based on single planets, I think it is a disgrace that such an approach was used in this forum in front of such learned members as yourself, Shri Narasimha Rao ji, Shri Ramadas Rao ji, Tatvam-Asi ji and so forth. (Please excuse my fun-making here, but I think if this is right, then the single placement of Guru Bhagwan alone in my chart, is capable of making me eligible for 'moksha' candidacy since he is such a divine planet ;-)) Please let me know regarding the lagna when your time permits. It is so nice of you to take an interest in seeing my chart. Thank-you so much for the same. Kind regards, Jayashree vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > Dear Jayashree, > May I know what co-ordinates you are using for Chennai? If 80E17 13N05 > are used your Rahu comes to Lagna in Capricorn 27.46.49. Are you certain > your horoscope haas Rahu in 12th? Am I making some mistake in the data? > New version of JHHora lite appears to have Center of Sin's disc on > Eastern horizon as default, though personally I like tip of Sun's disc > truly on Eastern horizon. Even so the Lagna is not likely to change by > about 2.5 degrees in that time. > Would you confirm whether the chart is right? I am attaching it for your > ready reference in JHD format. Of course, personally, I do not think > everyone with Rahu in 12th would have all bad habits, since much would > depend on Rasi occupied and planets conjunct as well as strength of > Lagna.I have seen many with a very pious life with that position of > Rahu. The mail is not in that context. > Chandrashekhar. > > Jayashree wrote: > > > > > Dear Shri Vishwanatham, > > > > Apologies for a delayed response again. I'm into my 8th month of > > pregnancy and I'm kind-of panicked and terrified by the predictions > > for Rahu in 12. I'm brought up in a somewhat traditional family and > > also I have a tendency to worry a lot. Also at work for the past 1 > > month, there's been heavy workload and worries/hassles due to that. > > When I read the 12th Rahu having some disastrous results, it > > automatically put me in a 'hurt/panic' mode, afterall one of the > > most wonderful things that have happened to me is my hubby and my > > beautiful child (soon going to be 2 of them in 1 more month). They > > are important to me more than my life. If you can give your views on > > what my 12th house Rahu signifies in my chart, that would be great > > help to me. I think god is always with me to protect me, but I want > > to hear a Jyotishi's view also. I noticed my Rahu/Ketu are > > in 'Kalinasa' sashtyamsa who is a benefic, ('kalinaasa' was > > malefic). My dob is Oct 31st 1971, 2:32 PM, Chennai. Sorry for a > > late reply, but I couldn't write earlier. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jayashree > > vedic astrology, "vishwanatham" > > <vishwanatham@r...> wrote: > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > Dear Jayashree, > > > > > > You have always been nice to people on this group. i was only > > saying > > > what you had said, i.e., Rahu in 12th alone is not sufficient and > > as > > > always with any dictum is influenced by several other factors! > > > > > > Can you post your birth details to see why you feel so. > > > > > > Thanks for your mail. > > > > > > regards > > > viswanadham > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Jayashree" > > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote: > > > > Vishwanatham ji, > > > > > > > > I'm sorry for a very delayed response. I guess the suggestion to > > > > check the sashtyamsa was hinted at me. I have to admit I'm no > > > > jyotishi but a (self-taught) learner, the reason I keep quiet > > > without > > > > participating much most of the time.It just so happened that in > > > this > > > > thread, having been a person of lofty ideals and strong > > > moral/ethical > > > > values all through my life, there was sudden insurgency of a > > strong > > > > impulse to speak up against what I felt was wrong/incorrect, > > > atleast > > > > in my case. Since every time I speak up, I immediately run into > > a > > > > mentally drained/exhausted and introspective state of analyzing > > the > > > > pros and cons of speaking up thus. I think "not to speak up" is > > > > ultimately the right thing to do afterall, and because of this > > > > reason, I have decided not even to visit this forum for a long > > > while > > > > to come. For example, I have seen O'Reilly shows where he has > > > > commented negatively on the atmosphere at India, and Hinduism > > > > adversely for so many times. While each time I do feel the same > > > > impulse to speak up against it, I ultimately keep quiet since I > > > > cannot do anything. I once sent a long write-up protesting > > against > > > a > > > > column in Boston Globe Sunday article against Engineers from > > India, > > > > but that never showed up anywhere for some reason :-(. Well, I > > > guess > > > > that's me and its time to change afterall. > > > > > > > > I apologize for this non-astrological message. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Jayashree > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "vishwanatham" > > > > <vishwanatham@r...> wrote: > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > Please have a look at the shashtiamsa of the planet to see > > what > > > > kind > > > > > of karma the planet is carrying from the past life. That > > requires > > > > > some amount of BT accuracy. So we need to pause.... > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > viswanadham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Jayashree" > > > > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote: > > > > > > Mukundji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I wasn't trying to prove anything. I was rather trying > > > > > to "disprove" > > > > > > what your statement "tried to prove" w.r.t Rahu's placement > > in > > > > 12th > > > > > > house for the entire populace that comes under its umbrella. > > > And > > > > I > > > > > am > > > > > > justified in having proven my salt's worth for whatever this > > > holy > > > > > > planet has blessed me with, for being a happy self. > > > > > > > > > > > > Allowing myself a little liberty(!) so to speak, I guess > > > > > > reciting "Manthra-Raja Pada Stothram" should greatly benefit > > > you, > > > > > > since Rahu casts 2nd argala (I don't know if this is > > obstructed > > > > or > > > > > > unobstructed) being placed in Mars' house and also Mars > > aspects > > > > > your > > > > > > Sani. This stothram is considered the "King of all > > stothrams". > > > > > > > > > > > > Bye now. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Jayashree > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "monmuk111" > > > > > <monmuk111> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hello Jayashree: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've read the notes you've posted attempting to prove > > > > that "Rahu > > > > > is > > > > > > > 12th" doesn't always cause bondage, sexual immorality and > > > > > illegaly > > > > > > > obtained wealth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I agree the the "Rahu in 12th" results are greatly > > > > modified > > > > > by > > > > > > > the placement in a good rashi, i.e. Gemini, Virgo, Taurus > > and > > > > > > Aries. > > > > > > > I also agree that the nature of "Rahu in 12th" is somewhat > > > > > modified > > > > > > > by its placement in a good nakshatra (Jupiter ruled > > > nakshatras). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Firstly, "Planet in house" dictum never fails. > > > Secondly "Planet > > > > > in > > > > > > > Rashi" dictum never fails. These two are enough for a > > broad- > > > > brush > > > > > > > prediction. Thereafter, one can apply all the high-level > > > mumbo- > > > > > > jumbo > > > > > > > WHICH usually fails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only high-level mumbo-jumbo that I've seen give > > > consistent > > > > > > > results is Sanjay Rath's notes about predicting nature of > > > > spouse > > > > > > and > > > > > > > the quaility of marriage based on Upapada Lagna and > > > > > planets/rashis > > > > > > in > > > > > > > 2nd and 12th from Upapada. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See, in the case of Paul Macartney, he DID have to go > > > > > > > through "bondage" like situation as his wife was > > frequently > > > > > > > hospitalized and he had to care for her. -- See, Rahu in > > 12th > > > > > > dictum > > > > > > > didn't fail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekanada's chart confuses me. I know a woman with > > > Rahu > > > > in > > > > > > > 12th in Scorpio, this woman has the worst character in the > > > > world-- > > > > > > she > > > > > > > sells herself, lies, steals, does everthing that the > > society > > > > > frowns > > > > > > > upon as long as her actions benefit her--she also has Sun > > in > > > > > > > Mooltrikona in 9th house, but this great placement seems > > to > > > > have > > > > > > been > > > > > > > compeltely eclipsed by debilitated Rahu in 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, don't worry about your Rahu too much--it is well- > > > > disposited > > > > > by > > > > > > > the Lagna lord who again is well placed. Well, in your > > case, > > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > is in a friendly rashi in the throne who becomes a good > > > > > protector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have Saturn in 5th in the enemy Rashi of Pisces and > > > evertime > > > > I > > > > > go > > > > > > > through Saturn Anatara-pratyantara, my life turns upside > > down- > > > - > > > > > see, > > > > > > > the dictum about bad effects of Shani in 5th doesn't fail > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mukund > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In vedic astrology, "Jayashree" > > > > > > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Mukundji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consider the chart of Swami Vivekananda. His chart comes > > > with > > > > > JHL > > > > > > > > 6.0. He has debilitated Rahu in Scorpio in 12th house. > > His > > > > > > Sanyasa > > > > > > > > Marga does not need my re-introduction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, based on the info provided by another member, > > > consider > > > > > the > > > > > > > > chart of Paul McCartney. His chart has Rahu with Gulika > > in > > > 12 > > > > > in > > > > > > > Leo. > > > > > > > > As I read his life history yesterday, I came to know his > > > wife > > > > > > > fought > > > > > > > > and eventually was given away to Breast Cancer. This I > > > would > > > > > > > > attribute to being indicated by Jup, McCartney's 4/7th > > lord > > > > > > > acquiring > > > > > > > > Kendradipathi dosha placed in 10th house and in A7 > > > conjoining > > > > > > Sun, > > > > > > > > the dispositor of Rahu with Gulika in 12th house. > > > > Nevertheless, > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > goes without further saying that his wife hasn't > > > > > > afterall "suffered > > > > > > > > hospitalization along with extra-marital affairs along > > with > > > > > > earning > > > > > > > > money through unfair means". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart : Oct 31 1971, 2:32 PM, Madras, Rahu is > > co- > > > > lord > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Aquarius lagna, placed in another of Sani's houses > > thereby > > > > > > strongly > > > > > > > > signifying Sanidev, and placed in 6th lord (waxing) > > Moon's > > > > star > > > > > > in > > > > > > > 2, > > > > > > > > having healthy trinal relationship with dispositor and > > > > lagnesh > > > > > > Sani > > > > > > > > where Sani is also placed in a friendly sign in a > > kendra. > > > > Also > > > > > to > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > noted that Rahu is devoid of any further malefic aspects > > or > > > > > > > > associations such as Gulika or Mandi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jayashree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In vedic astrology, "Jayashree" > > > > > > > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Mukundji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't agree with you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a different question whether someone ascends > > > > > > > spiritually > > > > > > > > > in a birth or not. However, sinful activities such as > > > > murder, > > > > > > > > > adultery, cruelty to children/animals/others are the > > > > > resultant > > > > > > > > > of 'poorva paap'. While Rahu will assist in unfolding > > the > > > > > > sinful > > > > > > > > > deeds or poorva paap, Rahu is nevertheless 'not' the > > > > > indicator > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > accumulated sins. Infact, no single planet can be. It > > > > should > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > be indicated by the affliction to certain key- houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the lady's chart, though Mars is well-placed as > > lord > > > of > > > > > > poorva > > > > > > > > > punya in Swa-kshetra, the presence of Mercury who is > > > > 3rd/12th > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > and dispositor of Rahu/Gulika/Mandi in the 5th, and > > the > > > > > > > affliction > > > > > > > > > to jala-tattwa planet Venus by two fiery planets Mars > > and > > > > > Sun, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > the affliction to natural lord of intellect Budha by > > the > > > > same > > > > > > > fiery > > > > > > > > > planets in the house of intellect, along with a Sasa > > yoga > > > > > > caused > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > malefic Saturn on the Kalathra-Bhava show the poorva- > > > paap. > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > helped in unfolding this poorva-paap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu plays a key-role in giving materialistic fruits > > and > > > > > helps > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > grow ahamkara/moha and Vanity. Where Rahu is placed in > > > the > > > > > > house > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > loss, this causes a deficiency that can manifest as > > delay > > > > in > > > > > > > > > fructification of the fruits of one's efforts. This is > > > what > > > > a > > > > > > > stand- > > > > > > > > > alone Rahu is capable of producing and *nothing more*. > > > > Where > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > native's chart has collective good karma, along a > > > different > > > > > > view, > > > > > > > > > Rahu as in 12th house causing delays and obstacles is > > > > > conducive > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > breaking lethargy and tamo-guna to work harder which > > is > > > > good > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > native in the long-run. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my view and I do not differ wee-bit from my > > > earlier > > > > > > > stand. > > > > > > > > > Though I'm not versed in Jyotish formally, my > > instincts > > > > tell > > > > > me > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > is the right answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jayashree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In vedic astrology, "monmuk111" > > > > > > > > <monmuk111> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello Jayashree: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I remember you have Rahu in 12th and couple of years > > > back > > > > > you > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > told me that your life events/experience doesn't fit > > > the > > > > > > dictum > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in 12th. You may be an exception; however, in a > > > few > > > > > > cases > > > > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > > > > seen, this dictum doesn't fail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've seen Rahu in 12th causing bondage of some sort-- > > > > > > difficult > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > predict, but could be in form of hospitalization or > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > imprisonment or bondage like situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've seen Rahu in 12th causing the native to earn a > > lot > > > > of > > > > > > > money, > > > > > > > > > > usually through illegal or underhanded activities, > > for > > > > > which > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > native usually gets caught and punished or maligned. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've seen Rahu in 12th causing the person to ignore > > > > > societal > > > > > > > > norms > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > ones behavior. Sexual excesses and adultry are a > > form > > > of > > > > > > breach > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > societal norms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, I know you haven't experienced/behaved in any > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > above > > > > > > > > > > situation with your 12th house Rahu, but in my > > little > > > > > > > experience, > > > > > > > > > > I've seen this dictum does come true and that's what > > > I've > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I've said isn't the universal truth. There are > > > > > > exceptions > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > there are exceptions to the exceptions. What I've > > noted > > > > is > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > generality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're still very young, lot of life is yet to be > > > > > > experienced. > > > > > > > > > Let's > > > > > > > > > > hope it doesn't come true in your case as you're > > such a > > > > > nice > > > > > > > > > person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mukund > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- astrology, "Jayashree" > > > > > > > > > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Mukundji & list, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may not be the best interest of a Jyotishi to > > > apply > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > dictum > > > > > > > > > > > blindfold. It was during my Rahu's bhukti I found > > > > secure > > > > > re- > > > > > > > > > > > employment and realization of a long-term wish to > > > have > > > > a > > > > > > > second > > > > > > > > > > > child, giving the direction to a seeming disarray > > of > > > > > things > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > a 3 > > > > > > > > > > > yr period. Only caveat which 'may' fit with your > > list > > > > is > > > > > > that > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > suffered for a 5 month period with severe shoulder > > > pain > > > > > > (Jan - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May '04) that the doctor called as 'Muscular > > spasm' > > > and > > > > I > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > banned > > > > > > > > > > > from taking medicines too since I had conceived my > > > > child. > > > > > > But > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > miraculously disappeared with no treatment in mid- > > > May, > > > > so > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > doctor > > > > > > > > > > > reversed the plate as 'no spasm'. This too, I bet, > > is > > > > > more > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > transit results as Meena Rasi has been in a kind > > > > > > of 'Grahana' > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > sometime now with Rahu in 2nd, Ketu in 8, Jupiter > > > (till > > > > > > > > > recently) > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > 6, Sani in Ardhashtaka. I *never* faced any other > > bad- > > > > > stuff > > > > > > > > > listed > > > > > > > > > > > due to 12th house Rahu, but I can say I have a > > > tendency > > > > > to > > > > > > > > blame > > > > > > > > > > > myself for no mistake on my part and feel > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > guilty > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jayashree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > astrology, "monmuk111" > > > > > > > > > > <monmuk111> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Debbie: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for being bold and truthful and sharing > > the > > > > > > > additional > > > > > > > > > > > > information, it helps the Jyotish greatly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, here is a prediction I had done for you on > > the > > > > > > > Jagannath > > > > > > > > > > > board > > > > > > > > > > > > when I didn't know ANYTHING about your personal > > > life > > > > > and > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > noted > > > > > > > > > > > > that some of the things I had told you were true- > > - > > > > here > > > > > is > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > excerpt > > > > > > > > > > > > from my reading: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > > > > > > > > > > > _ > > > > > > > > > > > > "Hello Deborah: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You've not entered a new dasa, but a new > > antardasa > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > maha > > > > > > > > > > > (main) > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa of Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Rahu is placed in the 12th house from Lagna > > so > > > > it > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > expected > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > give you problems. Rahu in 12th USUSALLY gives > > > health > > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > related confinement, litigation and related > > > > punishment, > > > > > > > sexual > > > > > > > > > > > > excesses and related results like unwanted > > > > pregnancies, > > > > > > > STD, > > > > > > > > > etc." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > > > > > > > > > > > _ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You've told us about your extra-marital affair > > > which > > > > I > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > > > > > > that are the results of 12th house Rahu. You > > also > > > > told > > > > > us > > > > > > > > > > > > about "unwanted" pregnancies that I had > > predicted > > > > which > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > result indifference to societal norms, which in > > > turn > > > > > are > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > result > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th house Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The saving grace is Rahu's placement in a > > favorable > > > > > rashi > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Gemini. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's 12th house placement let you astray and > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > > benefical > > > > > > > > > > > > placement in Gemini brough a sense of self- > > > awareness > > > > in > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > will lead to self-improvement. Had the 12th > > house > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > rashi bad for Rahu such as Saggitarius or Pices, > > it > > > > > would > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > ruined > > > > > > > > > > > > your life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See, the old sages knew what they were talking > > > about > > > > > when > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > up all these dictums.--They do come true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, this gives me a small shot of confidence > > in > > > my > > > > > > > > > predicting > > > > > > > > > > > > ability. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the issue at hand is for the GURUS to come > > up > > > > with > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > remedy > > > > > > > > > > > > that'll bring some peace in your life. Let's > > hope > > > > some > > > > > > > GURUS > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > the challenge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mukund > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In vedic- > > > > astrology, "the_lighted1" > > > > > > > > > > > <m18deb@a...> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just wanted to include some relevant > > > information > > > > in > > > > > > > > regard > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart that may be useful. I thought that I > > > posted > > > > > > > earlier > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess that I did it wrong because I don't see > > > it. > > > > I > > > > > > > thank > > > > > > > > > > > everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > > for their insight and am using it to > > understand > > > my > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > better, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was married the first time on December 20th, > > > 1981 > > > > > the > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > year > > > > > > > > > > > > > that I graduated from high school and had a > > son > > > on > > > > > June > > > > > > > > 8th, > > > > > > > > > > > 1982. > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > separated from my husband in May of 1983 and > > was > > > > > having > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > extra > > > > > > > > > > > > > marital affair and my husband whom I had filed > > > for > > > > > > > divorce > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > was in a different relationship himself killed > > > > > himself > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > shooting > > > > > > > > > > > > > himself in the head with a rifle in the back > > yard > > > > of > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > mother's > > > > > > > > > > > > > home on April 25, 1984 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My second marriage was May 17th, 1989. I had > > a > > > son > > > > > by > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > prior > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > the marriage on August 30th 1987 and another > > son > > > > > after > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > were > > > > > > > > > > > > > married on September 6th, 1989. That husband > > was > > > a > > > > > > > severe > > > > > > > > > > > > alcoholic > > > > > > > > > > > > > who was very abusive and I separated from him > > > less > > > > > than > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > year > > > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > we were married but never filed for a > > divorce. > > > The > > > > > day > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > kicked > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > out was January 20th 1990 and he died of the > > > > delirium > > > > > > > > > tremens > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > are the DT's caused by withdraw from alcohol > > on > > > > > October > > > > > > > 14, > > > > > > > > > > > 1992. > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was the day before his 34th birthday. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other things that may be of interest are that > > my > > > > two > > > > > > > > > youngest > > > > > > > > > > > sons > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been raised by my mother and father since > > > July > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > 1992. > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > was voluntarily at first when I was > > financially > > > not > > > > > > able > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > but as time went by my mother did what she > > could > > > to > > > > > > > prevent > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > sons > > > > > > > > > > > > > from living with me and discouraged them to do > > > so. > > > > I > > > > > do > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the time but my mother I feel betrayed me > > in > > > not > > > > > > > > > encouraging > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > sons to want to live with me and we have had a > > > very > > > > > > > > strained > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks again, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Debbie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In vedic astrology, > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > <boxdel> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn becomes Shubha being in own house and > > > > > attracts > > > > > > > > > > > > Kendradhipati > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dosha, thus giving some bad results related > > to > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Being 8th Lord in 7th he is also capable of > > > > harming > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > indications > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th house. These two are separate issues and > > > need > > > > > to > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > viewed > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > such. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would say the problems in marriage could > > > arise > > > > > out > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > either > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being able to communicate with spouse or due > > to > > > a > > > > > > > > somewhat > > > > > > > > > > > > negative > > > > > > > > > > > > > view > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of looking at things and suspicious nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramesh Gangaramani wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your comments and for > > pointing > > > > out > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8L > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too. I want to understand the earlier > > comment > > > > of > > > > > > > yours. > > > > > > > > > > Does > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > imply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that Saturn in this case will not be > > shubha > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or because it is placed in own house? Will > > > the > > > > > > dictum > > > > > > > > > > > > of 'Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > protects the house in which it is placed' > > get > > > > > > diluted > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own house? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** Chandrashekhar > > > [boxdel] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Sent:* Sunday, September 12, 2004 > > 12:30 > > > AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *To:* Ramesh Gangaramani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Cc:* vedic- astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Subject:* Re: [vedic astrology] I > > have > > > > been > > > > > > > > widowed > > > > > > > > > > > twice > > > > > > > > > > > > > and am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wondering if I will have another chance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Debbie/Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would think Debbie might marry again > > > > around > > > > > > > April > > > > > > > > > > 2005 > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage is likely to be more > > fortunate. > > > > The > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mature in age than Debbie, is what I > > > think. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way Ramesh, Malefic owning a > > > Kendra > > > > is > > > > > > > > Shubha > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > occupying that Kendra, Saturn is in > > > Kendra > > > > > in > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th lord too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramesh Gangaramani wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Satyam Bruyat Priyam Buryat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Debbie, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I am sorry to hear about the > > tragedies > > > in > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > life. I > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> initiating a discussion based on my > > > > initial > > > > > > > > > > > observations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> In case of females 8H signifies > > magalaya > > > = > > > > > > > marital > > > > > > > > > > bond, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> subhagya, vaidhavya = widowhood. In > > D1, > > > 8H > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> and Rahu. In D9 the 8H has Saturn > > placed > > > > in > > > > > it > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Mars, Venus and Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> This is what Kalyan Verma has to > > > say "KV: > > > > > > > Malefic > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> cause widowhood. This will occur in > > the > > > > Dasa > > > > > > > > > periods > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> of the Navamsa occupied by the 8th > > > Lord." > > > > > Your > > > > > > > 8L > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> placed in 8H in D9 in Leo rashi. Lord > > is > > > > > Sun. > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > tragedy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> occurred in Sun-Ven-Ven dasa. (Please > > > read > > > > > > > > > functional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> characteristics of Venus below.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> The first case happened in Venus dasa > > > > which > > > > > is > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > functional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> malefic (kendradhipati dosha and also > > > 11L) > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > Cancer > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> happens to be the lord of 2nd house > > from > > > > UL > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > > > > maraka > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> 1st spouse. AD was that of Mercury > > which > > > > is > > > > > > also > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > functional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> malefic (dusthana lord and > > trisadipati- > > > > 12L > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > 3L). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> UL is placed 12th from AL in D1. This > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > indicates > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> 'rejection of spouse'. I am not sure > > > what > > > > > > would > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> case. Also this applies to the 1st > > > spouse. > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > UL > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> aspected by Sun, Mars, Mercury and > > > Venus. > > > > It > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > rashi > > > > > > > > > > > > > drishti of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Saturn. I am not sure if this would > > > > indicate > > > > > > > > > premature > > > > > > > > > > > > death > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> the spouse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> 2nd spouse/partner is seen from 8th > > from > > > > UL > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > falls > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Scorpio. 2nd from that has Moon and > > Ketu > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> of this house Jupiter however is > > strong > > > > and > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > protect > > > > > > > > > > > > > the UL! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> In both cases ULL Mars in own house > > is a > > > > > > > favorable > > > > > > > > > > > factor > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> should have given longevity to them! > > > Other > > > > > > > factor > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > 7L > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > D1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> being in own house. Saturn usually > > > > protects > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > which it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> is placed especially so in this case > > > > because > > > > > > it > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > house! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Though 8H affliction of D1 may > > indicate > > > > > > > widowhood, > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> positive factors too. I would > > therefore > > > > like > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > hear > > > > > > > > > > > views > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> knowledgeable members . I have > > attached > > > > your > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > JHL > > > > > > > > > > > > > format > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> for the sake of convenience. I hope > > the > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > details > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> correct. Just one question please, > > were > > > > both > > > > > > > > > spouses > > > > > > > > > > > > Martian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> personalities? I am sure you know > > that > > > UL > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > indicate a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> partner regardless of formal > > marriage! > > > In > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > words > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> were other stable relationships > > (lasting > > > > > over > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > year > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > so) > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> working would change. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Before I close I must mention that > > 3rd > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9H > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> which in your case has Jupiter in own > > > > house! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> the_lighted1 > > [m18deb@a...] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Friday, September 10, 2004 3:49 > > AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> [vedic astrology] I have > > been > > > > > widowed > > > > > > > > > twice > > > > > > > > > > > and am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> wondering if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I will have another chance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Hello respected Guru's and learned > > > > > students, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > I was wondering if you see from my > > own > > > > > chart > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> future for me. I have been plagued by > > > > > > > unfortunate > > > > > > > > > > > > > circumstance in my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > previous 2 marriages in which I was > > > > > widowed > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > > > > instances all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > before the age of 30. The first > > time > > > was > > > > > in > > > > > > > > April > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > 1985 > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > second time was October 1992. I am > > > > > including > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > details, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > please let me know if you need > > > > additional > > > > > > > > > > > information. I > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > currently studying on my own until > > I > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > educated > > > > > > > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > > > > > > > to join > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> the ranks as an official student. I > > > would > > > > > like > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > exactly in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> my chart determines this and if this > > is > > > > > going > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > happen > > > > > > > > > > > > > again or will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I not have another marriage etc.. > > Thank > > > > you > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > insight. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Warm Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Debbie Munger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Debbie Munger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Nov 18, 1963 10:33 PM +08:00 PST > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sacramento, CA:USA Longitude: > > 121W30 > > > > > > Latitude: > > > > > > > > > 38N35 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:21 Current > > > Period: > > > > > > > MA/RA/RA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra > > Lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ================================================ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Asc 21:57 Can Aslesha Me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sun 02:50 Sco +01:00:34 WK Vishakha > > Ju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Moon 05:14 Sag +11:55:04 WK Mula Ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mars 24:33 Sco +00:44:34 ST > > Jyeshtha Me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Merc 11:00 Sco +01:32:47 CM > > Anuradha Sa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > JuptR 16:38 Pis -00:03:18 FM > > U.Bhadra > > > Sa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ven 23:44 Sco +01:14:46 WK Jyeshtha > > Me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sat 23:47 Cap +00:02:51 FM > > Dhanishtha > > > Ma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Rahu 18:32 Gem -00:02:11 FM Ardra Ra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ketu 18:32 Sag -00:02:11 FM > > P.Shadya Ve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > True Node 365.25 Day Year - > > Internet > > > > Time: > > > > > > 315 > > > > > > > > > beats > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Day: Monday Sunrise: 6:52 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Tithi: Shukla Tritiya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Yoga Pt: 11:24 Li Yogi:Ra > > AviYogi:Ve > > > Dup > > > > > > Yogi: > > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Dagha Rashis: Leo Cap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Rashi Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** 5 * * 3 ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *6 * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * RA 18:32* * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * 4 AS 21:57 * 2 * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** * * ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *7 * 1 * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** * * ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *8 * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *SU 02:50* * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *ME 11:00 * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *VE 23:44 * 10 SA 23:47 * 12 > > JUR16:38* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *MA 24:33 * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * MO 05:14* * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * KE 18:32 * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** 9 * * 11 ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Navamsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** 11 * * 9 ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *12* * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * MA * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * VE * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *RA * 10 AS * 8 JUR * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** * * ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *1 * 7 ME * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** * * ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *2 * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *MO * 4 SU * 6 KE * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * SA * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** 3 * * 5 ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Khavedamsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** 1 * * 11 ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *2 * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * RA * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * KE * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *VE * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *SA * 12 AS * 10 SU * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** * * ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *3 MA * 9 ME * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** * * ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *4 * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * 6 * 8 * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * JUR * * MO * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** 5 * * 7 ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > ======================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ke/Ma 8/22/1963 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ke/Ra 1/18/1964 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ke/Ju 2/5/1965 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ke/Sa 1/12/1966 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ke/Me 2/21/1967 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Ve 2/18/1968 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Su 6/19/1971 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Mo 6/19/1972 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Ma 2/17/1974 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Ra 4/19/1975 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Ju 4/19/1978 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Sa 12/18/1980 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Me 2/18/1984 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Ke 12/19/1986 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Su 2/18/1988 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Mo 6/6/1988 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Ma 12/6/1988 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Ra 4/13/1989 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Ju 3/8/1990 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Sa 12/25/1990 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Me 12/7/1991 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Ke 10/12/1992 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Ve 2/17/1993 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Mo 2/17/1994 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Ma 12/19/1994 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Ra 7/20/1995 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Ju 1/18/1997 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Sa 5/20/1998 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Me 12/19/1999 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Ke 5/19/2001 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Ve 12/18/2001 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Su 8/19/2003 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Ma 2/18/2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Ra 7/16/2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Ju 8/3/2005 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Sa 7/10/2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Me 8/19/2007 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Ke 8/15/2008 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Ve 1/11/2009 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Su 3/14/2010 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Mo 7/19/2010 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Ra 2/18/2011 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Ju 10/31/2013 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Sa 3/25/2016 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Me 1/30/2019 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Ke 8/19/2021 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Ve 9/6/2022 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Su 9/6/2025 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Mo 8/1/2026 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Ma 1/30/2028 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Ju 2/17/2029 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Sa 4/7/2031 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Me 10/19/2033 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Ke 1/24/2036 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Ve 12/30/2036 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Su 8/31/2039 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Mo 6/19/2040 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Ma 10/19/2041 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Ra 9/24/2042 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Sa 2/17/2045 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Me 2/21/2048 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Ke 10/31/2050 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Ve 12/10/2051 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Su 2/8/2055 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Mo 1/21/2056 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Ma 8/22/2057 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Ra 9/30/2058 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Ju 8/6/2061 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Me/Me 2/18/2064 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Me/Ke 7/16/2066 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Me/Ve 7/14/2067 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Me/Su 5/13/2070 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Me/Mo 3/20/2071 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Me/Ma 8/18/2072 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Me/Ra 8/16/2073 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Me/Ju 3/4/2076 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Me/Sa 6/10/2078 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> ------------------------ > > Groups > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Archives: > > > > vedic- > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Group info: > > > > > vedic- > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic- > > > > > astrology- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> ....... 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Guest guest Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 Your chart for birth at 2,37 pm on oct 31 st 1971 using Laheri Ayanamsa, has been cast. It shows the Lagna-ASC. to be Kumbha only 19-44-33 (d.m.s). Mars is in Lagna. Any other result is apparentle not correct.Jayashree <Jayashree_Ravi (AT) mail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Ramanarayan ji and Chandrashekar ji,I'm confused here, I have seen only Aquarius lagna chart all through my life for the time of Oct 31, 1971, 2:32 (even if 2:37 PM), Madras, India. Ramanarayan ji, since you have said "Mars whose maha dasa is on is placed in 9th house. Mars is the lord of the 11th house(2nd child).", it looks like a different chart is being studied, as I'm in Ketu's mahadasa and Mars is 10th lord? Please correct if I'm wrong. ThanksJayashreevedic astrology, rama narayanan <sree88ganesha> wrote:> SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM> AUM GURUBYO NAMAH> > Dear Chandrasekharji, Jayashree,> > The birth time noted as 2:32 PM is not correct. i have taken the time as 2:37PM. Rahu is no doubt placed in 12th house and is in kshiteesa (ruler of earth) shastyamsa which is benefic.(even for 2:32 PM rahu is in kshiteesa shastyamsa only).> > As per Moola dasa scheme Mars dasa and Sani Antar dasa(feb 2004 to oct. 2004) is on.> > Let us peep into shastyamsa chart. Here Rahu is placed in 3rd to Arudha lagna and in 5th to lagna. Mars is placed in 8th house to Sun and Sani is lord of 8th with reference to Moon and is placed in neecha rasi. The lagna lord has exchanged sign with Guru the 8th lord and is bound by the nodes and natural malefics sani and mars. Sani and Rahu have caused pitri shaapa.> > Let us look at Nakshatramsa to know the impulses. Here sani is placed in 3rd house and is subject to the aspect of Rahu. The 3rd house lord venus(darakaraka) is placed in makara in association with Mars and is aspected by Rahu.> > Sani is the lord of 12th house in rasi chart. This inidicates past birth. Moola antar dasa of Sani is on. Sani is pitrikaraka. In shastyamsa chart we find pitri shaapa. In Nakshatramsa Sani is placed in 3rd house and is subject to the aspect of Rahu who is the cause of completion of previous birth. Sani is the lord of 9th house in Saptamsa. Mars whose maha dasa is on is placed in 9th house. Mars is the lord of the 11th house(2nd child). In saptamsa chart Moon is associated with Rahu(placed in 5th house in saptamsa) and is placed in 9th to the dasa lord and 10th to antar dasa lord.> > From the above what i understand is that waves(dreams) of past birth had been lashing the shores of current birth.> > How to come out of this fear forts raised in the subconscious mind?> > The one simple way is to have unshakable faith on the almighty. Almighty is the past, present and future.> > Suggested remedial measure:-> > Perform mentally abhshikeha to Srimata(the all compassionate divine Mother) with the following rasas.> 1.Milk 2.curd 3.sugarcane juice 4. honey and 5. pure water.> > 2.Chant lalitha sahasranama.(mentally atleast)> > 3.Offer as naivedya Ghee payasam and vada(ulundu/urad dal) and consume the same as mahaprashad.(mentally with complete faith - Manasa puja is highly effective).> > Do this on janma nakshatra day, day of birth, fridays, pournamasi and all days during navarathri.> > Offer as dana umbrella, paduka and Bhagavat Gita to any elderly pious and needy person. Chant Namasivaaya as much times as you can on Mondays and pradosha days if not daily. This will clear away the pitri shaapa of the past birth.> > There is nothing to worry. Rest your head on the lap of Srimata. All your lapses/mistakes/sins will be wiped out in no time. Rest assured.> > May Mother bless,> > Best wishes.> p.s.ramanarayanan.> Jayashree <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote:> > Dear Chandrashekar ji,> > That is so interesting, I have never so far come across a situation > whereby my lagna was suggested differently. Yes, that is the accurate > co-ordinates for Madras, India. But I get 18 degrees odd of Aquarius > using the co-ordinates for the time of 2:32 PM. Please let me know if > the Capricorn lagna is definite. Chandrashekarji, to address the > other part regarding chart-reading based on single planets, I think > it is a disgrace that such an approach was used in this forum in > front of such learned members as yourself, Shri Narasimha Rao ji, > Shri Ramadas Rao ji, Tatvam-Asi ji and so forth. (Please excuse my > fun-making here, but I think if this is right, then the single > placement of Guru Bhagwan alone in my chart, is capable of making me > eligible for 'moksha' candidacy since he is such a divine planet ;-)) > > Please let me know regarding the lagna when your time permits. It is > so nice of you to take an interest in seeing my chart. Thank-you so > much for the same.> > Kind regards,> > Jayashree> > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel> > wrote:> > Dear Jayashree,> > May I know what co-ordinates you are using for Chennai? If 80E17 > 13N05 > > are used your Rahu comes to Lagna in Capricorn 27.46.49. Are you > certain > > your horoscope haas Rahu in 12th? Am I making some mistake in the > data?> > New version of JHHora lite appears to have Center of Sin's disc on > > Eastern horizon as default, though personally I like tip of Sun's > disc > > truly on Eastern horizon. Even so the Lagna is not likely to change > by > > about 2.5 degrees in that time.> > Would you confirm whether the chart is right? I am attaching it for > your > > ready reference in JHD format. Of course, personally, I do not > think > > everyone with Rahu in 12th would have all bad habits, since much > would > > depend on Rasi occupied and planets conjunct as well as strength of > > Lagna.I have seen many with a very pious life with that position of > > Rahu. The mail is not in that context.> > Chandrashekhar.> > > > Jayashree wrote:> > > > >> > > Dear Shri Vishwanatham,> > >> > > Apologies for a delayed response again. I'm into my 8th month of> > > pregnancy and I'm kind-of panicked and terrified by the > predictions> > > for Rahu in 12. I'm brought up in a somewhat traditional family > and> > > also I have a tendency to worry a lot. Also at work for the past > 1> > > month, there's been heavy workload and worries/hassles due to > that.> > > When I read the 12th Rahu having some disastrous results, it> > > automatically put me in a 'hurt/panic' mode, afterall one of the> > > most wonderful things that have happened to me is my hubby and my> > > beautiful child (soon going to be 2 of them in 1 more month). They> > > are important to me more than my life. If you can give your views > on> > > what my 12th house Rahu signifies in my chart, that would be great> > > help to me. I think god is always with me to protect me, but I > want> > > to hear a Jyotishi's view also. I noticed my Rahu/Ketu are> > > in 'Kalinasa' sashtyamsa who is a benefic, ('kalinaasa' was> > > malefic). My dob is Oct 31st 1971, 2:32 PM, Chennai. Sorry for a> > > late reply, but I couldn't write earlier.> > >> > > Thanks,> > >> > > Jayashree> > > vedic astrology, "vishwanatham"> > > <vishwanatham@r...> wrote:> > > > Hare Rama Krishna> > > >> > > > Dear Jayashree,> > > >> > > > You have always been nice to people on this group. i was only> > > saying> > > > what you had said, i.e., Rahu in 12th alone is not sufficient > and> > > as> > > > always with any dictum is influenced by several other factors!> > > >> > > > Can you post your birth details to see why you feel so.> > > >> > > > Thanks for your mail.> > > >> > > > regards> > > > viswanadham> > > >> > > > --- In vedic astrology, "Jayashree"> > > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote:> > > > > Vishwanatham ji,> > > > >> > > > > I'm sorry for a very delayed response. I guess the suggestion > to> > > > > check the sashtyamsa was hinted at me. I have to admit I'm no> > > > > jyotishi but a (self-taught) learner, the reason I keep quiet> > > > without> > > > > participating much most of the time.It just so happened that > in> > > > this> > > > > thread, having been a person of lofty ideals and strong> > > > moral/ethical> > > > > values all through my life, there was sudden insurgency of a> > > strong> > > > > impulse to speak up against what I felt was wrong/incorrect,> > > > atleast> > > > > in my case. Since every time I speak up, I immediately run > into> > > a> > > > > mentally drained/exhausted and introspective state of > analyzing> > > the> > > > > pros and cons of speaking up thus. I think "not to speak up" > is> > > > > ultimately the right thing to do afterall, and because of this> > > > > reason, I have decided not even to visit this forum for a long> > > > while> > > > > to come. For example, I have seen O'Reilly shows where he has> > > > > commented negatively on the atmosphere at India, and Hinduism> > > > > adversely for so many times. While each time I do feel the > same> > > > > impulse to speak up against it, I ultimately keep quiet since > I> > > > > cannot do anything. I once sent a long write-up protesting> > > against> > > > a> > > > > column in Boston Globe Sunday article against Engineers from> > > India,> > > > > but that never showed up anywhere for some reason :-(. Well, I> > > > guess> > > > > that's me and its time to change afterall.> > > > >> > > > > I apologize for this non-astrological message.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks> > > > >> > > > > Jayashree> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > vedic astrology, "vishwanatham"> > > > > <vishwanatham@r...> wrote:> > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > >> > > > > > Please have a look at the shashtiamsa of the planet to see> > > what> > > > > kind> > > > > > of karma the planet is carrying from the past life. That> > > requires> > > > > > some amount of BT accuracy. So we need to pause....> > > > > >> > > > > > Hope this helps.> > > > > >> > > > > > regards> > > > > > viswanadham> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > vedic astrology, "Jayashree"> > > > > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote:> > > > > > > Mukundji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I wasn't trying to prove anything. I was rather trying> > > > > > to "disprove"> > > > > > > what your statement "tried to prove" w.r.t Rahu's > placement> > > in> > > > > 12th> > > > > > > house for the entire populace that comes under its > umbrella.> > > > And> > > > > I> > > > > > am> > > > > > > justified in having proven my salt's worth for whatever > this> > > > holy> > > > > > > planet has blessed me with, for being a happy self.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Allowing myself a little liberty(!) so to speak, I guess> > > > > > > reciting "Manthra-Raja Pada Stothram" should greatly > benefit> > > > you,> > > > > > > since Rahu casts 2nd argala (I don't know if this is> > > obstructed> > > > > or> > > > > > > unobstructed) being placed in Mars' house and also Mars> > > aspects> > > > > > your> > > > > > > Sani. This stothram is considered the "King of all> > > stothrams".> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bye now.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Jayashree> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- In vedic astrology, "monmuk111"> > > > > > <monmuk111>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > Hello Jayashree:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I've read the notes you've posted attempting to prove> > > > > that "Rahu> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > 12th" doesn't always cause bondage, sexual immorality > and> > > > > > illegaly> > > > > > > > obtained wealth.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Yes, I agree the the "Rahu in 12th" results are greatly> > > > > modified> > > > > > by> > > > > > > > the placement in a good rashi, i.e. Gemini, Virgo, > Taurus> > > and> > > > > > > Aries.> > > > > > > > I also agree that the nature of "Rahu in 12th" is > somewhat> > > > > > modified> > > > > > > > by its placement in a good nakshatra (Jupiter ruled> > > > nakshatras).> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Firstly, "Planet in house" dictum never fails.> > > > Secondly "Planet> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > Rashi" dictum never fails. These two are enough for a> > > broad-> > > > > brush> > > > > > > > prediction. Thereafter, one can apply all the high-level> > > > mumbo-> > > > > > > jumbo> > > > > > > > WHICH usually fails.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The only high-level mumbo-jumbo that I've seen give> > > > consistent> > > > > > > > results is Sanjay Rath's notes about predicting nature > of> > > > > spouse> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > the quaility of marriage based on Upapada Lagna and> > > > > > planets/rashis> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > 2nd and 12th from Upapada.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > See, in the case of Paul Macartney, he DID have to go> > > > > > > > through "bondage" like situation as his wife was> > > frequently> > > > > > > > hospitalized and he had to care for her. -- See, Rahu in> > > 12th> > > > > > > dictum> > > > > > > > didn't fail.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Swami Vivekanada's chart confuses me. I know a woman > with> > > > Rahu> > > > > in> > > > > > > > 12th in Scorpio, this woman has the worst character in > the> > > > > world--> > > > > > > she> > > > > > > > sells herself, lies, steals, does everthing that the> > > society> > > > > > frowns> > > > > > > > upon as long as her actions benefit her--she also has > Sun> > > in> > > > > > > > Mooltrikona in 9th house, but this great placement seems> > > to> > > > > have> > > > > > > been> > > > > > > > compeltely eclipsed by debilitated Rahu in 6th.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Now, don't worry about your Rahu too much--it is well-> > > > > disposited> > > > > > by> > > > > > > > the Lagna lord who again is well placed. Well, in your> > > case,> > > > > > > Jupiter> > > > > > > > is in a friendly rashi in the throne who becomes a good> > > > > > protector.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I have Saturn in 5th in the enemy Rashi of Pisces and> > > > evertime> > > > > I> > > > > > go> > > > > > > > through Saturn Anatara-pratyantara, my life turns upside> > > down-> > > > -> > > > > > see,> > > > > > > > the dictum about bad effects of Shani in 5th doesn't > fail> > > > here.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Mukund> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Jayashree"> > > > > > > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > Mukundji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Consider the chart of Swami Vivekananda. His chart > comes> > > > with> > > > > > JHL> > > > > > > > > 6.0. He has debilitated Rahu in Scorpio in 12th house.> > > His> > > > > > > Sanyasa> > > > > > > > > Marga does not need my re-introduction.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Also, based on the info provided by another member,> > > > consider> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > chart of Paul McCartney. His chart has Rahu with > Gulika> > > in> > > > 12> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > Leo.> > > > > > > > > As I read his life history yesterday, I came to know > his> > > > wife> > > > > > > > fought> > > > > > > > > and eventually was given away to Breast Cancer. This I> > > > would> > > > > > > > > attribute to being indicated by Jup, McCartney's 4/7th> > > lord> > > > > > > > acquiring> > > > > > > > > Kendradipathi dosha placed in 10th house and in A7> > > > conjoining> > > > > > > Sun,> > > > > > > > > the dispositor of Rahu with Gulika in 12th house.> > > > > Nevertheless,> > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > goes without further saying that his wife hasn't> > > > > > > afterall "suffered> > > > > > > > > hospitalization along with extra-marital affairs along> > > with> > > > > > > earning> > > > > > > > > money through unfair means".> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > In my own chart : Oct 31 1971, 2:32 PM, Madras, Rahu > is> > > co-> > > > > lord> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > Aquarius lagna, placed in another of Sani's houses> > > thereby> > > > > > > strongly> > > > > > > > > signifying Sanidev, and placed in 6th lord (waxing)> > > Moon's> > > > > star> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > 2,> > > > > > > > > having healthy trinal relationship with dispositor and> > > > > lagnesh> > > > > > > Sani> > > > > > > > > where Sani is also placed in a friendly sign in a> > > kendra.> > > > > Also> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > noted that Rahu is devoid of any further malefic > aspects> > > or> > > > > > > > > associations such as Gulika or Mandi.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Jayashree> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- In vedic astrology, "Jayashree"> > > > > > > > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > Mukundji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I don't agree with you.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > It may be a different question whether someone > ascends> > > > > > > > spiritually> > > > > > > > > > in a birth or not. However, sinful activities such > as> > > > > murder,> > > > > > > > > > adultery, cruelty to children/animals/others are the> > > > > > resultant> > > > > > > > > > of 'poorva paap'. While Rahu will assist in > unfolding> > > the> > > > > > > sinful> > > > > > > > > > deeds or poorva paap, Rahu is nevertheless 'not' the> > > > > > indicator> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > accumulated sins. Infact, no single planet can be. > It> > > > > should> > > > > > > > rather> > > > > > > > > > be indicated by the affliction to certain key-> houses.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > In the lady's chart, though Mars is well-placed as> > > lord> > > > of> > > > > > > poorva> > > > > > > > > > punya in Swa-kshetra, the presence of Mercury who is> > > > > 3rd/12th> > > > > > > > lord> > > > > > > > > > and dispositor of Rahu/Gulika/Mandi in the 5th, and> > > the> > > > > > > > affliction> > > > > > > > > > to jala-tattwa planet Venus by two fiery planets > Mars> > > and> > > > > > Sun,> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > the affliction to natural lord of intellect Budha by> > > the> > > > > same> > > > > > > > fiery> > > > > > > > > > planets in the house of intellect, along with a Sasa> > > yoga> > > > > > > caused> > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > malefic Saturn on the Kalathra-Bhava show the > poorva-> > > > paap.> > > > > > Rahu> > > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > > helped in unfolding this poorva-paap.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Rahu plays a key-role in giving materialistic fruits> > > and> > > > > > helps> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > grow ahamkara/moha and Vanity. Where Rahu is placed > in> > > > the> > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > loss, this causes a deficiency that can manifest as> > > delay> > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > fructification of the fruits of one's efforts. This > is> > > > what> > > > > a> > > > > > > > stand-> > > > > > > > > > alone Rahu is capable of producing and *nothing > more*.> > > > > Where> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > native's chart has collective good karma, along a> > > > different> > > > > > > view,> > > > > > > > > > Rahu as in 12th house causing delays and obstacles > is> > > > > > conducive> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > breaking lethargy and tamo-guna to work harder which> > > is> > > > > good> > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > native in the long-run.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > This is my view and I do not differ wee-bit from my> > > > earlier> > > > > > > > stand.> > > > > > > > > > Though I'm not versed in Jyotish formally, my> > > instincts> > > > > tell> > > > > > me> > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > is the right answer.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Jayashree> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > --- In vedic astrology, "monmuk111"> > > > > > > > > <monmuk111>> > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > Hello Jayashree:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I remember you have Rahu in 12th and couple of > years> > > > back> > > > > > you> > > > > > > > had> > > > > > > > > > > told me that your life events/experience doesn't > fit> > > > the> > > > > > > dictum> > > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in 12th. You may be an exception; however, > in a> > > > few> > > > > > > cases> > > > > > > > > > I've> > > > > > > > > > > seen, this dictum doesn't fail.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I've seen Rahu in 12th causing bondage of some > sort--> > > > > > > difficult> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > predict, but could be in form of hospitalization > or> > > > > actual> > > > > > > > > > > imprisonment or bondage like situation.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I've seen Rahu in 12th causing the native to earn > a> > > lot> > > > > of> > > > > > > > money,> > > > > > > > > > > usually through illegal or underhanded activities,> > > for> > > > > > which> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > native usually gets caught and punished or > maligned.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I've seen Rahu in 12th causing the person to > ignore> > > > > > societal> > > > > > > > > norms> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > ones behavior. Sexual excesses and adultry are a> > > form> > > > of> > > > > > > breach> > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > societal norms.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Now, I know you haven't experienced/behaved in > any> > > of> > > > > the> > > > > > > > above> > > > > > > > > > > situation with your 12th house Rahu, but in my> > > little> > > > > > > > experience,> > > > > > > > > > > I've seen this dictum does come true and that's > what> > > > I've> > > > > > > said> > > > > > > > > > here.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > What I've said isn't the universal truth. There > are> > > > > > > exceptions> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > there are exceptions to the exceptions. What I've> > > noted> > > > > is> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > generality.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > You're still very young, lot of life is yet to be> > > > > > > experienced.> > > > > > > > > > Let's> > > > > > > > > > > hope it doesn't come true in your case as you're> > > such a> > > > > > nice> > > > > > > > > > person.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Mukund> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > vedic-> astrology, "Jayashree"> > > > > > > > > > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > Mukundji & list,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > It may not be the best interest of a Jyotishi to> > > > apply> > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > dictum> > > > > > > > > > > > blindfold. It was during my Rahu's bhukti I > found> > > > > secure> > > > > > re-> > > > > > > > > > > > employment and realization of a long-term wish > to> > > > have> > > > > a> > > > > > > > second> > > > > > > > > > > > child, giving the direction to a seeming > disarray> > > of> > > > > > things> > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > a 3> > > > > > > > > > > > yr period. Only caveat which 'may' fit with your> > > list> > > > > is> > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > > suffered for a 5 month period with severe > shoulder> > > > pain> > > > > > > (Jan -> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May '04) that the doctor called as 'Muscular> > > spasm'> > > > and> > > > > I> > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > > > banned> > > > > > > > > > > > from taking medicines too since I had conceived > my> > > > > child.> > > > > > > But> > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > miraculously disappeared with no treatment in > mid-> > > > May,> > > > > so> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > doctor> > > > > > > > > > > > reversed the plate as 'no spasm'. This too, I > bet,> > > is> > > > > > more> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > transit results as Meena Rasi has been in a kind> > > > > > > of 'Grahana'> > > > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > > > sometime now with Rahu in 2nd, Ketu in 8, > Jupiter> > > > (till> > > > > > > > > > recently)> > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > 6, Sani in Ardhashtaka. I *never* faced any > other> > > bad-> > > > > > stuff> > > > > > > > > > listed> > > > > > > > > > > > due to 12th house Rahu, but I can say I have a> > > > tendency> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > blame> > > > > > > > > > > > myself for no mistake on my part and feel> > > > unnecessarily> > > > > > > > guilty> > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Jayashree> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > vedic-> > > astrology, "monmuk111"> > > > > > > > > > > <monmuk111>> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Debbie:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for being bold and truthful and sharing> > > the> > > > > > > > additional> > > > > > > > > > > > > information, it helps the Jyotish greatly.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, here is a prediction I had done for you > on> > > the> > > > > > > > Jagannath> > > > > > > > > > > > board> > > > > > > > > > > > > when I didn't know ANYTHING about your > personal> > > > life> > > > > > and> > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > just> > > > > > > > > > > > noted> > > > > > > > > > > > > that some of the things I had told you were > true-> > > -> > > > > here> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > an> > > > > > > > > > > > excerpt> > > > > > > > > > > > > from my reading:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > ___________________> > > > > > > > > > > > _> > > > > > > > > > > > > "Hello Deborah:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > You've not entered a new dasa, but a new> > > antardasa> > > > in> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > maha> > > > > > > > > > > > (main)> > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa of Mars.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Rahu is placed in the 12th house from > Lagna> > > so> > > > > it> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > expected> > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > give you problems. Rahu in 12th USUSALLY gives> > > > health> > > > > > > > > problems> > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > related confinement, litigation and related> > > > > punishment,> > > > > > > > sexual> > > > > > > > > > > > > excesses and related results like unwanted> > > > > pregnancies,> > > > > > > > STD,> > > > > > > > > > etc."> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > ___________________> > > > > > > > > > > > _> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > You've told us about your extra-marital affair> > > > which> > > > > I> > > > > > > had> > > > > > > > > > > > predicted> > > > > > > > > > > > > that are the results of 12th house Rahu. You> > > also> > > > > told> > > > > > us> > > > > > > > > > > > > about "unwanted" pregnancies that I had> > > predicted> > > > > which> > > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > > result indifference to societal norms, which > in> > > > turn> > > > > > are> > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > result> > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th house Rahu.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > The saving grace is Rahu's placement in a> > > favorable> > > > > > rashi> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > Gemini.> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's 12th house placement let you astray and> > > > Rahu's> > > > > > > > > > benefical> > > > > > > > > > > > > placement in Gemini brough a sense of self-> > > > awareness> > > > > in> > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > > > > will lead to self-improvement. Had the 12th> > > house> > > > > Rahu> > > > > > > > placed> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > > rashi bad for Rahu such as Saggitarius or > Pices,> > > it> > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > > ruined> > > > > > > > > > > > > your life.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > See, the old sages knew what they were talking> > > > about> > > > > > when> > > > > > > > > they> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote> > > > > > > > > > > > > up all these dictums.--They do come true.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, this gives me a small shot of confidence> > > in> > > > my> > > > > > > > > > predicting> > > > > > > > > > > > > ability.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the issue at hand is for the GURUS to > come> > > up> > > > > with> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > remedy> > > > > > > > > > > > > that'll bring some peace in your life. Let's> > > hope> > > > > some> > > > > > > > GURUS> > > > > > > > > > take> > > > > > > > > > > > up> > > > > > > > > > > > > the challenge.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mukund> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic-> > > > > astrology, "the_lighted1"> > > > > > > > > > > > <m18deb@a...>> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just wanted to include some relevant> > > > information> > > > > in> > > > > > > > > regard> > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > my> > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart that may be useful. I thought that I> > > > posted> > > > > > > > earlier> > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess that I did it wrong because I don't > see> > > > it. > > > > > I> > > > > > > > thank> > > > > > > > > > > > everyone> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for their insight and am using it to> > > understand> > > > my> > > > > > > chart> > > > > > > > > > > > better, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was married the first time on December > 20th,> > > > 1981> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > > > > year> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that I graduated from high school and had a> > > son> > > > on> > > > > > June> > > > > > > > > 8th,> > > > > > > > > > > > 1982. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > separated from my husband in May of 1983 and> > > was> > > > > > having> > > > > > > > an> > > > > > > > > > > extra> > > > > > > > > > > > > > marital affair and my husband whom I had > filed> > > > for> > > > > > > > divorce> > > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > was in a different relationship himself > killed> > > > > > himself> > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > > shooting> > > > > > > > > > > > > > himself in the head with a rifle in the back> > > yard> > > > > of> > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > > > > mother's> > > > > > > > > > > > > > home on April 25, 1984> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My second marriage was May 17th, 1989. I > had> > > a> > > > son> > > > > > by> > > > > > > > him> > > > > > > > > > > prior> > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the marriage on August 30th 1987 and another> > > son> > > > > > after> > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > were> > > > > > > > > > > > > > married on September 6th, 1989. That > husband> > > was> > > > a> > > > > > > > severe> > > > > > > > > > > > > alcoholic> > > > > > > > > > > > > > who was very abusive and I separated from > him> > > > less> > > > > > than> > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > year> > > > > > > > > > > > > after> > > > > > > > > > > > > > we were married but never filed for a> > > divorce. > > > > The> > > > > > day> > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > kicked> > > > > > > > > > > > > him> > > > > > > > > > > > > > out was January 20th 1990 and he died of the> > > > > delirium> > > > > > > > > > tremens> > > > > > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > > > > > are the DT's caused by withdraw from alcohol> > > on> > > > > > October> > > > > > > > 14,> > > > > > > > > > > > 1992. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was the day before his 34th birthday.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other things that may be of interest are > that> > > my> > > > > two> > > > > > > > > > youngest> > > > > > > > > > > > sons> > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been raised by my mother and father > since> > > > July> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > 1992. > > > > > > > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > > > > > > was voluntarily at first when I was> > > financially> > > > not> > > > > > > able> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > do> > > > > > > > > > > > so,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > but as time went by my mother did what she> > > could> > > > to> > > > > > > > prevent> > > > > > > > > > my> > > > > > > > > > > > sons> > > > > > > > > > > > > > from living with me and discouraged them to > do> > > > so.> > > > > I> > > > > > do> > > > > > > > see> > > > > > > > > > > them> > > > > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the time but my mother I feel betrayed me> > > in> > > > not> > > > > > > > > > encouraging> > > > > > > > > > > > my> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sons to want to live with me and we have > had a> > > > very> > > > > > > > > strained> > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks again,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Debbie> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In vedic astrology,> > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > > > > > > > <boxdel>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn becomes Shubha being in own house > and> > > > > > attracts> > > > > > > > > > > > > Kendradhipati> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dosha, thus giving some bad results > related> > > to> > > > > > one's> > > > > > > > > Lagna> > > > > > > > > > if> > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Being 8th Lord in 7th he is also capable > of> > > > > harming> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > indications> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th house. These two are separate issues > and> > > > need> > > > > > to> > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > viewed> > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > such.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would say the problems in marriage could> > > > arise> > > > > > out> > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > either> > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being able to communicate with spouse or > due> > > to> > > > a> > > > > > > > > somewhat> > > > > > > > > > > > > negative> > > > > > > > > > > > > > view> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of looking at things and suspicious > nature.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramesh Gangaramani wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your comments and for> > > pointing> > > > > out> > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > Saturn> > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8L> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too. I want to understand the earlier> > > comment> > > > > of> > > > > > > > yours.> > > > > > > > > > > Does> > > > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > imply> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that Saturn in this case will not be> > > shubha> > > > > > though> > > > > > > > > > placed> > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > own> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or because it is placed in own house? > Will> > > > the> > > > > > > dictum> > > > > > > > > > > > > of 'Saturn> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > protects the house in which it is > placed'> > > get> > > > > > > diluted> > > > > > > > > > > > because> > > > > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own house?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramesh> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** Chandrashekhar> > > > [boxdel]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Sent:* Sunday, September 12, 2004> > > 12:30> > > > AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *To:* Ramesh Gangaramani> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Cc:* vedic-> astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Subject:* Re: [vedic astrology] I> > > have> > > > > been> > > > > > > > > widowed> > > > > > > > > > > > twice> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and am> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wondering if I will have another > chance> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Debbie/Ramesh,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would think Debbie might marry > again> > > > > around> > > > > > > > April> > > > > > > > > > > 2005> > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage is likely to be more> > > fortunate.> > > > > The> > > > > > > > person> > > > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mature in age than Debbie, is what I> > > > think.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way Ramesh, Malefic owning a> > > > Kendra> > > > > is> > > > > > > > > Shubha> > > > > > > > > > if> > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > occupying that Kendra, Saturn is in> > > > Kendra> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > own> > > > > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th lord too.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramesh Gangaramani wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Satyam Bruyat Priyam Buryat> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Debbie,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I am sorry to hear about the> > > tragedies> > > > in> > > > > > your> > > > > > > > > > life. I> > > > > > > > > > > > am> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> initiating a discussion based on my> > > > > initial> > > > > > > > > > > > observations.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> In case of females 8H signifies> > > magalaya> > > > => > > > > > > > marital> > > > > > > > > > > bond,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> subhagya, vaidhavya = widowhood. In> > > D1,> > > > 8H> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > aspected> > > > > > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> and Rahu. In D9 the 8H has Saturn> > > placed> > > > > in> > > > > > it> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected by> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Mars, Venus and Rahu.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> This is what Kalyan Verma has to> > > > say "KV:> > > > > > > > Malefic> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th> > > > > > > > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> cause widowhood. This will occur in> > > the> > > > > Dasa> > > > > > > > > > periods> > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> of the Navamsa occupied by the 8th> > > > Lord."> > > > > > Your> > > > > > > > 8L> > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> placed in 8H in D9 in Leo rashi. > Lord> > > is> > > > > > Sun.> > > > > > > > 2nd> > > > > > > > > > > > tragedy> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> occurred in Sun-Ven-Ven dasa. > (Please> > > > read> > > > > > > > > > functional> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> characteristics of Venus below.)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> The first case happened in Venus > dasa> > > > > which> > > > > > is> > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > functional> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> malefic (kendradhipati dosha and > also> > > > 11L)> > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > Cancer> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> happens to be the lord of 2nd house> > > from> > > > > UL> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > hence> > > > > > > > > > > > > maraka> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> 1st spouse. AD was that of Mercury> > > which> > > > > is> > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > > functional> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> malefic (dusthana lord and> > > trisadipati-> > > > > 12L> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > 3L).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> UL is placed 12th from AL in D1. > This> > > > > > actually> > > > > > > > > > > indicates> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> 'rejection of spouse'. I am not > sure> > > > what> > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > mean> > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > your> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> case. Also this applies to the 1st> > > > spouse.> > > > > > 2nd> > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > UL> > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> aspected by Sun, Mars, Mercury and> > > > Venus.> > > > > It> > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > > rashi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > drishti of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Saturn. I am not sure if this would> > > > > indicate> > > > > > > > > > premature> > > > > > > > > > > > > death> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> the spouse.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> 2nd spouse/partner is seen from 8th> > > from> > > > > UL> > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > > falls> > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Scorpio. 2nd from that has Moon and> > > Ketu> > > > > > > > aspected> > > > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> of this house Jupiter however is> > > strong> > > > > and> > > > > > > > should> > > > > > > > > > > > protect> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the UL!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> In both cases ULL Mars in own house> > > is a> > > > > > > > favorable> > > > > > > > > > > > factor> > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> should have given longevity to > them!> > > > Other> > > > > > > > factor> > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > 7L> > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > D1> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> being in own house. Saturn usually> > > > > protects> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > which it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> is placed especially so in this > case> > > > > because> > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > its> > > > > > > > > > > > own> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Though 8H affliction of D1 may> > > indicate> > > > > > > > widowhood,> > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > > see> > > > > > > > > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> positive factors too. I would> > > therefore> > > > > like> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > hear> > > > > > > > > > > > views> > > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> knowledgeable members . I have> > > attached> > > > > your> > > > > > > > chart> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > JHL> > > > > > > > > > > > > > format> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> for the sake of convenience. I hope> > > the> > > > > > birth> > > > > > > > > > details> > > > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> correct. Just one question please,> > > were> > > > > both> > > > > > > > > > spouses> > > > > > > > > > > > > Martian> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> personalities? I am sure you know> > > that> > > > UL> > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > indicate a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> partner regardless of formal> > > marriage!> > > > In> > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > words> > > > > > > > > > > > if> > > > > > > > > > > > > > there> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> were other stable relationships> > > (lasting> > > > > > over> > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > year> > > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > > so)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> working would change.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Before I close I must mention that> > > 3rd> > > > > > > marriage> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > seen> > > > > > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9H> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> which in your case has Jupiter in > own> > > > > house!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Ramesh> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> the_lighted1> > > [m18deb@a...]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Friday, September 10, 2004 > 3:49> > > AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> vedic astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> [vedic astrology] I have> > > been> > > > > > widowed> > > > > > > > > > twice> > > > > > > > > > > > and am> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> wondering if> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I will have another chance> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Hello respected Guru's and > learned> > > > > > students,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > I was wondering if you see from > my> > > own> > > > > > chart> > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > marriage> > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> future for me. I have been plagued > by> > > > > > > > unfortunate> > > > > > > > > > > > > > circumstance in my> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > previous 2 marriages in which I > was> > > > > > widowed> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > both> > > > > > > > > > > > > > instances all> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > before the age of 30. The first> > > time> > > > was> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > April> > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1985> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > second time was October 1992. I > am> > > > > > including> > > > > > > > my> > > > > > > > > > > chart> > > > > > > > > > > > > > details,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > please let me know if you need> > > > > additional> > > > > > > > > > > > information. I> > > > > > > > > > > > > am> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > currently studying on my own > until> > > I> > > > > feel> > > > > > > > > > educated> > > > > > > > > > > > > enough> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to join> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> the ranks as an official student. I> > > > would> > > > > > like> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > see> > > > > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > > > > > exactly in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> my chart determines this and if > this> > > is> > > > > > going> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > happen> > > > > > > > > > > > > > again or will> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I not have another marriage etc..> > > Thank> > > > > you> > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > your> > > > > > > > > > > > > insight.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Warm Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Debbie Munger> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Debbie Munger> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Nov 18, 1963 10:33 PM +08:00 PST> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sacramento, CA:USA Longitude:> > > 121W30> > > > > > > Latitude:> > > > > > > > > > 38N35> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:21 Current> > > > Period:> > > > > > > > MA/RA/RA> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Planet Deg Sign Speed SA > Nakshatra> > > Lord> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > ================================================> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Asc 21:57 Can Aslesha Me> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sun 02:50 Sco +01:00:34 WK > Vishakha> > > Ju> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Moon 05:14 Sag +11:55:04 WK Mula > Ke> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mars 24:33 Sco +00:44:34 ST> > > Jyeshtha Me> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Merc 11:00 Sco +01:32:47 CM> > > Anuradha Sa> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > JuptR 16:38 Pis -00:03:18 FM> > > U.Bhadra> > > > Sa> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ven 23:44 Sco +01:14:46 WK > Jyeshtha> > > Me> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sat 23:47 Cap +00:02:51 FM> > > Dhanishtha> > > > Ma> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Rahu 18:32 Gem -00:02:11 FM > Ardra Ra> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ketu 18:32 Sag -00:02:11 FM> > > P.Shadya Ve> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > True Node 365.25 Day Year -> > > Internet> > > > > Time:> > > > > > > 315> > > > > > > > > > beats> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Day: Monday Sunrise: 6:52 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Tithi: Shukla Tritiya> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Yoga Pt: 11:24 Li Yogi:Ra> > > AviYogi:Ve> > > > Dup> > > > > > > Yogi:> > > > > > > > Ve> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Dagha Rashis: Leo Cap> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Rashi Chart> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > *******************************************************> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** 5 * * 3 **> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *6 * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * RA 18:32* *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * 4 AS 21:57 * 2 *> > > > > > > > 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Guest guest Posted October 7, 2004 Report Share Posted October 7, 2004 Dear Ramadas ji, It is almost certain that the baby is a girl, from an ultrasound. Thank-you, Jayashree vedic astrology, Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao> wrote: > > ` nmae naray[ay, > > om namo näräyaëäya| > > Dear Jayashree Ji, > > If the Lagna has to change to Makara,then your birth time has to be 13:21:14 Hrs.Your reported time of birth is 14:32 Hrs.which I find to be almost accurate and as per that I get Kumbha Lagna 18 Deg.14'2.64" using Sun rise options : The centre of Sun's disc is truly on eastern horizon ".You are born in Akasha Tattwa- Vaayu Antara Tattwa.I am giving here the qualities of native born in these 2 tattvas. Now Akasha tattwa is ruled by Guru and indicates male Tattwa.The characters are joy,delight,happiness,satisfaction,faith in good periods,generosity,growth,fear of apprehension etc.Have good ideals in life and if Guru afflicted,depression and dissipating energy are the results.Normally Akasha tattwa natives have self confidence,reliance,menatl and physical strength.Philosophy,finace, law and writings suits them.Persons with divine strength,persons who do not know secret dealings,friendly persons are born in this tattwa. > > Now Vaayu Antara Tattwa is female ruled by Shani.The qualities are best thinking,meditation,steadiness,patience and hard work,practical,grasp anything quickly,not tolerate untruth and ingratitude.research,geology,philosophy suits them. > > Now here I will give you a new concept called Rahu Centric Theory.Now we know that Rahu/Ketu are Karmic planets.Our complete is within Rahu/Ketu axis.Rahu is Maaya and illusion and hence give us a desire in our mind based on our Poorva Karmas.So in this life we try to achieve that aim/goal and finally we end in nothing,everything is swallowed into Kaala who is nothing but Rahu himself.Ketu is Moksha Karaka and Moksha is decided by Ketu depending on our good Karmas in our life.Now Rahu is also Yoni Mukha and it is Rahu who makes the attraction between man and woman and finally gives a wedding knot.Now we know that when a woman delivers a child,the Yoni will get expanded almost 3 times of its size.Also Rahu is Sarpa and when it catches a prey,it widens its mouth almost 3 times of its size.So it means the houses next and 12th to Rahu are posioned by malefic planets,then problems in married life can be seen.Now Rahu likes to be in 4th house as Rahu rules over Chidras ie., openings in the > upper parts of our body ie., eyes,nose,mouth,ears.So keeping Rahu in 4th house let us go back to 4 houses and in your chart it is Tula is Yoni Badha Lagna or YBL.Now we know 5th is Putra Shana and it is afflicted by Kuja as he is in 2nd to Rahu.9th is house of delivery and its lord Budha is in YBL Tula along with debilitated Surya.But YBL lord Shukra is in 2nd with Guru and this is really a boon in your chart.This Guru aspects the 5th lord Shani (V) considered from YBL,so you will be blessed with Putra Sukha. > > Now at the moment ,you are running Ketu-Guru- Budha from 20/09/2004 to 07/11/2004.As Budha is 9th lord from YBL who is in Lagna and is with Surya debilitated,there may be some problems during delivery time.As Kuja is in trine to Budha, there may be possibility of surgery.Now transit Guru which is in Kanya aspects Chandra,the 10th lord from YBL, Rahu and Shani (V),the 5th lord from YBL,by the grace of God, all the problems will be solved and you will be blessed with a female child.Here my opinion is Shani (V) is the lord of 5th from YBL is in Rohini Nakshatra ruled by Chandra who is placed in Meena rashi, an even sign indicate a female child. > > With Shri Hari Vaayu naama Smarana, > > Ramadas Rao. > > > > Jayashree <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekar ji, > > That is so interesting, I have never so far come across a situation > whereby my lagna was suggested differently. Yes, that is the accurate > co-ordinates for Madras, India. But I get 18 degrees odd of Aquarius > using the co-ordinates for the time of 2:32 PM. Please let me know if > the Capricorn lagna is definite. Chandrashekarji, to address the > other part regarding chart-reading based on single planets, I think > it is a disgrace that such an approach was used in this forum in > front of such learned members as yourself, Shri Narasimha Rao ji, > Shri Ramadas Rao ji, Tatvam-Asi ji and so forth. (Please excuse my > fun-making here, but I think if this is right, then the single > placement of Guru Bhagwan alone in my chart, is capable of making me > eligible for 'moksha' candidacy since he is such a divine planet ;- )) > > Please let me know regarding the lagna when your time permits. It is > so nice of you to take an interest in seeing my chart. Thank-you so > much for the same. > > Kind regards, > > Jayashree > > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar > wrote: > > Dear Jayashree, > > May I know what co-ordinates you are using for Chennai? If 80E17 > 13N05 > > are used your Rahu comes to Lagna in Capricorn 27.46.49. Are you > certain > > your horoscope haas Rahu in 12th? Am I making some mistake in the > data? > > New version of JHHora lite appears to have Center of Sin's disc on > > Eastern horizon as default, though personally I like tip of Sun's > disc > > truly on Eastern horizon. Even so the Lagna is not likely to change > by > > about 2.5 degrees in that time. > > Would you confirm whether the chart is right? I am attaching it for > your > > ready reference in JHD format. Of course, personally, I do not > think > > everyone with Rahu in 12th would have all bad habits, since much > would > > depend on Rasi occupied and planets conjunct as well as strength of > > Lagna.I have seen many with a very pious life with that position of > > Rahu. The mail is not in that context. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Jayashree wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Vishwanatham, > > > > > > Apologies for a delayed response again. I'm into my 8th month of > > > pregnancy and I'm kind-of panicked and terrified by the > predictions > > > for Rahu in 12. I'm brought up in a somewhat traditional family > and > > > also I have a tendency to worry a lot. Also at work for the past > 1 > > > month, there's been heavy workload and worries/hassles due to > that. > > > When I read the 12th Rahu having some disastrous results, it > > > automatically put me in a 'hurt/panic' mode, afterall one of the > > > most wonderful things that have happened to me is my hubby and my > > > beautiful child (soon going to be 2 of them in 1 more month). They > > > are important to me more than my life. If you can give your views > on > > > what my 12th house Rahu signifies in my chart, that would be great > > > help to me. I think god is always with me to protect me, but I > want > > > to hear a Jyotishi's view also. I noticed my Rahu/Ketu are > > > in 'Kalinasa' sashtyamsa who is a benefic, ('kalinaasa' was > > > malefic). My dob is Oct 31st 1971, 2:32 PM, Chennai. Sorry for a > > > late reply, but I couldn't write earlier. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Jayashree > > > vedic astrology, "vishwanatham" > > > wrote: > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > Dear Jayashree, > > > > > > > > You have always been nice to people on this group. i was only > > > saying > > > > what you had said, i.e., Rahu in 12th alone is not sufficient > and > > > as > > > > always with any dictum is influenced by several other factors! > > > > > > > > Can you post your birth details to see why you feel so. > > > > > > > > Thanks for your mail. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > viswanadham > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Jayashree" > > > > wrote: > > > > > Vishwanatham ji, > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry for a very delayed response. I guess the suggestion > to > > > > > check the sashtyamsa was hinted at me. I have to admit I'm no > > > > > jyotishi but a (self-taught) learner, the reason I keep quiet > > > > without > > > > > participating much most of the time.It just so happened that > in > > > > this > > > > > thread, having been a person of lofty ideals and strong > > > > moral/ethical > > > > > values all through my life, there was sudden insurgency of a > > > strong > > > > > impulse to speak up against what I felt was wrong/incorrect, > > > > atleast > > > > > in my case. Since every time I speak up, I immediately run > into > > > a > > > > > mentally drained/exhausted and introspective state of > analyzing > > > the > > > > > pros and cons of speaking up thus. I think "not to speak up" > is > > > > > ultimately the right thing to do afterall, and because of this > > > > > reason, I have decided not even to visit this forum for a long > > > > while > > > > > to come. For example, I have seen O'Reilly shows where he has > > > > > commented negatively on the atmosphere at India, and Hinduism > > > > > adversely for so many times. While each time I do feel the > same > > > > > impulse to speak up against it, I ultimately keep quiet since > I > > > > > cannot do anything. I once sent a long write-up protesting > > > against > > > > a > > > > > column in Boston Globe Sunday article against Engineers from > > > India, > > > > > but that never showed up anywhere for some reason :-(. Well, I > > > > guess > > > > > that's me and its time to change afterall. > > > > > > > > > > I apologize for this non-astrological message. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Jayashree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "vishwanatham" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > Please have a look at the shashtiamsa of the planet to see > > > what > > > > > kind > > > > > > of karma the planet is carrying from the past life. That > > > requires > > > > > > some amount of BT accuracy. So we need to pause.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > viswanadham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Jayashree" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Mukundji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wasn't trying to prove anything. I was rather trying > > > > > > to "disprove" > > > > > > > what your statement "tried to prove" w.r.t Rahu's > placement > > > in > > > > > 12th > > > > > > > house for the entire populace that comes under its > umbrella. > > > > And > > > > > I > > > > > > am > > > > > > > justified in having proven my salt's worth for whatever > this > > > > holy > > > > > > > planet has blessed me with, for being a happy self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Allowing myself a little liberty(!) so to speak, I guess > > > > > > > reciting "Manthra-Raja Pada Stothram" should greatly > benefit > > > > you, > > > > > > > since Rahu casts 2nd argala (I don't know if this is > > > obstructed > > > > > or > > > > > > > unobstructed) being placed in Mars' house and also Mars > > > aspects > > > > > > your > > > > > > > Sani. This stothram is considered the "King of all > > > stothrams". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bye now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jayashree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "monmuk111" > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello Jayashree: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've read the notes you've posted attempting to prove > > > > > that "Rahu > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > 12th" doesn't always cause bondage, sexual immorality > and > > > > > > illegaly > > > > > > > > obtained wealth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I agree the the "Rahu in 12th" results are greatly > > > > > modified > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > the placement in a good rashi, i.e. Gemini, Virgo, > Taurus > > > and > > > > > > > Aries. > > > > > > > > I also agree that the nature of "Rahu in 12th" is > somewhat > > > > > > modified > > > > > > > > by its placement in a good nakshatra (Jupiter ruled > > > > nakshatras). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Firstly, "Planet in house" dictum never fails. > > > > Secondly "Planet > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Rashi" dictum never fails. These two are enough for a > > > broad- > > > > > brush > > > > > > > > prediction. Thereafter, one can apply all the high- level > > > > mumbo- > > > > > > > jumbo > > > > > > > > WHICH usually fails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only high-level mumbo-jumbo that I've seen give > > > > consistent > > > > > > > > results is Sanjay Rath's notes about predicting nature > of > > > > > spouse > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > the quaility of marriage based on Upapada Lagna and > > > > > > planets/rashis > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 2nd and 12th from Upapada. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See, in the case of Paul Macartney, he DID have to go > > > > > > > > through "bondage" like situation as his wife was > > > frequently > > > > > > > > hospitalized and he had to care for her. -- See, Rahu in > > > 12th > > > > > > > dictum > > > > > > > > didn't fail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekanada's chart confuses me. I know a woman > with > > > > Rahu > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 12th in Scorpio, this woman has the worst character in > the > > > > > world-- > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > sells herself, lies, steals, does everthing that the > > > society > > > > > > frowns > > > > > > > > upon as long as her actions benefit her--she also has > Sun > > > in > > > > > > > > Mooltrikona in 9th house, but this great placement seems > > > to > > > > > have > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > compeltely eclipsed by debilitated Rahu in 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, don't worry about your Rahu too much--it is well- > > > > > disposited > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > the Lagna lord who again is well placed. Well, in your > > > case, > > > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > is in a friendly rashi in the throne who becomes a good > > > > > > protector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have Saturn in 5th in the enemy Rashi of Pisces and > > > > evertime > > > > > I > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > through Saturn Anatara-pratyantara, my life turns upside > > > down- > > > > - > > > > > > see, > > > > > > > > the dictum about bad effects of Shani in 5th doesn't > fail > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mukund > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Jayashree" > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Mukundji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consider the chart of Swami Vivekananda. His chart > comes > > > > with > > > > > > JHL > > > > > > > > > 6.0. He has debilitated Rahu in Scorpio in 12th house. > > > His > > > > > > > Sanyasa > > > > > > > > > Marga does not need my re-introduction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, based on the info provided by another member, > > > > consider > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > chart of Paul McCartney. His chart has Rahu with > Gulika > > > in > > > > 12 > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Leo. > > > > > > > > > As I read his life history yesterday, I came to know > his > > > > wife > > > > > > > > fought > > > > > > > > > and eventually was given away to Breast Cancer. This I > > > > would > > > > > > > > > attribute to being indicated by Jup, McCartney's 4/7th > > > lord > > > > > > > > acquiring > > > > > > > > > Kendradipathi dosha placed in 10th house and in A7 > > > > conjoining > > > > > > > Sun, > > > > > > > > > the dispositor of Rahu with Gulika in 12th house. > > > > > Nevertheless, > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > goes without further saying that his wife hasn't > > > > > > > afterall "suffered > > > > > > > > > hospitalization along with extra-marital affairs along > > > with > > > > > > > earning > > > > > > > > > money through unfair means". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart : Oct 31 1971, 2:32 PM, Madras, Rahu > is > > > co- > > > > > lord > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > Aquarius lagna, placed in another of Sani's houses > > > thereby > > > > > > > strongly > > > > > > > > > signifying Sanidev, and placed in 6th lord (waxing) > > > Moon's > > > > > star > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 2, > > > > > > > > > having healthy trinal relationship with dispositor and > > > > > lagnesh > > > > > > > Sani > > > > > > > > > where Sani is also placed in a friendly sign in a > > > kendra. > > > > > Also > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > noted that Rahu is devoid of any further malefic > aspects > > > or > > > > > > > > > associations such as Gulika or Mandi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jayashree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Jayashree" > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mukundji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't agree with you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a different question whether someone > ascends > > > > > > > > spiritually > > > > > > > > > > in a birth or not. However, sinful activities such > as > > > > > murder, > > > > > > > > > > adultery, cruelty to children/animals/others are the > > > > > > resultant > > > > > > > > > > of 'poorva paap'. While Rahu will assist in > unfolding > > > the > > > > > > > sinful > > > > > > > > > > deeds or poorva paap, Rahu is nevertheless 'not' the > > > > > > indicator > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > accumulated sins. Infact, no single planet can be. > It > > > > > should > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > be indicated by the affliction to certain key- > houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the lady's chart, though Mars is well-placed as > > > lord > > > > of > > > > > > > poorva > > > > > > > > > > punya in Swa-kshetra, the presence of Mercury who is > > > > > 3rd/12th > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > and dispositor of Rahu/Gulika/Mandi in the 5th, and > > > the > > > > > > > > affliction > > > > > > > > > > to jala-tattwa planet Venus by two fiery planets > Mars > > > and > > > > > > Sun, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > the affliction to natural lord of intellect Budha by > > > the > > > > > same > > > > > > > > fiery > > > > > > > > > > planets in the house of intellect, along with a Sasa > > > yoga > > > > > > > caused > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > malefic Saturn on the Kalathra-Bhava show the > poorva- > > > > paap. > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > helped in unfolding this poorva-paap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu plays a key-role in giving materialistic fruits > > > and > > > > > > helps > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > grow ahamkara/moha and Vanity. Where Rahu is placed > in > > > > the > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > loss, this causes a deficiency that can manifest as > > > delay > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > fructification of the fruits of one's efforts. This > is > > > > what > > > > > a > > > > > > > > stand- > > > > > > > > > > alone Rahu is capable of producing and *nothing > more*. > > > > > Where > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > native's chart has collective good karma, along a > > > > different > > > > > > > view, > > > > > > > > > > Rahu as in 12th house causing delays and obstacles > is > > > > > > conducive > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > breaking lethargy and tamo-guna to work harder which > > > is > > > > > good > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > native in the long-run. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my view and I do not differ wee-bit from my > > > > earlier > > > > > > > > stand. > > > > > > > > > > Though I'm not versed in Jyotish formally, my > > > instincts > > > > > tell > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > is the right answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jayashree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- astrology, "monmuk111" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Jayashree: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I remember you have Rahu in 12th and couple of > years > > > > back > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > told me that your life events/experience doesn't > fit > > > > the > > > > > > > dictum > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in 12th. You may be an exception; however, > in a > > > > few > > > > > > > cases > > > > > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > > > > > seen, this dictum doesn't fail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've seen Rahu in 12th causing bondage of some > sort-- > > > > > > > difficult > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > predict, but could be in form of hospitalization > or > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > imprisonment or bondage like situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've seen Rahu in 12th causing the native to earn > a > > > lot > > > > > of > > > > > > > > money, > > > > > > > > > > > usually through illegal or underhanded activities, > > > for > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > native usually gets caught and punished or > maligned. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've seen Rahu in 12th causing the person to > ignore > > > > > > societal > > > > > > > > > norms > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > ones behavior. Sexual excesses and adultry are a > > > form > > > > of > > > > > > > breach > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > societal norms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, I know you haven't experienced/behaved in > any > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > > above > > > > > > > > > > > situation with your 12th house Rahu, but in my > > > little > > > > > > > > experience, > > > > > > > > > > > I've seen this dictum does come true and that's > what > > > > I've > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I've said isn't the universal truth. There > are > > > > > > > exceptions > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > there are exceptions to the exceptions. What I've > > > noted > > > > > is > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > generality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're still very young, lot of life is yet to be > > > > > > > experienced. > > > > > > > > > > Let's > > > > > > > > > > > hope it doesn't come true in your case as you're > > > such a > > > > > > nice > > > > > > > > > > person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mukund > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > astrology, "Jayashree" > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Mukundji & list, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may not be the best interest of a Jyotishi to > > > > apply > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > dictum > > > > > > > > > > > > blindfold. It was during my Rahu's bhukti I > found > > > > > secure > > > > > > re- > > > > > > > > > > > > employment and realization of a long-term wish > to > > > > have > > > > > a > > > > > > > > second > > > > > > > > > > > > child, giving the direction to a seeming > disarray > > > of > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > a 3 > > > > > > > > > > > > yr period. Only caveat which 'may' fit with your > > > list > > > > > is > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > suffered for a 5 month period with severe > shoulder > > > > pain > > > > > > > (Jan - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May '04) that the doctor called as 'Muscular > > > spasm' > > > > and > > > > > I > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > banned > > > > > > > > > > > > from taking medicines too since I had conceived > my > > > > > child. > > > > > > > But > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > miraculously disappeared with no treatment in > mid- > > > > May, > > > > > so > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > doctor > > > > > > > > > > > > reversed the plate as 'no spasm'. This too, I > bet, > > > is > > > > > > more > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > transit results as Meena Rasi has been in a kind > > > > > > > of 'Grahana' > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > sometime now with Rahu in 2nd, Ketu in 8, > Jupiter > > > > (till > > > > > > > > > > recently) > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > 6, Sani in Ardhashtaka. I *never* faced any > other > > > bad- > > > > > > stuff > > > > > > > > > > listed > > > > > > > > > > > > due to 12th house Rahu, but I can say I have a > > > > tendency > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > blame > > > > > > > > > > > > myself for no mistake on my part and feel > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > guilty > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jayashree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > astrology, "monmuk111" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Debbie: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for being bold and truthful and sharing > > > the > > > > > > > > additional > > > > > > > > > > > > > information, it helps the Jyotish greatly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline. 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Guest guest Posted October 7, 2004 Report Share Posted October 7, 2004 ` nmae naray[ay, om namo näräyaëäya| Dear Jayashree Ji, Salutations to Lord Krishna and Mother Bhuvaneshwari and I pray them that Mother Lakshmi comes to you without much difficulty. With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana, Ramadas Rao. India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2004 Report Share Posted October 9, 2004 Dear Chandrashekar ji, I thank you very much for spending your time giving me a reading. I have sent my thank-you notes to all who have responded to my query privately. Somehow writing on a public space does not go along with my personality. Even after expressing my sincere thoughts, it feels strange and not-like myself when I re-read it. I think the cyber- space projects an illusionary image and I don't feel comfortable with it. So please excuse my little delay due to this factor and kindly accept my thanks. Warmly, Jayashree vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > Dear Jayashree, > It was my mistake. Sarath spotted it right. I entered 13th instead of > 31st, as the date of birth in the data. I have corrected it now. Anyway, > even with Rahu in 12th, the situation does not change. You have a strong > Lagna with Lagnesh Saturn aspecting Aquarius Lagna which is his own Mool > Trikona Rasi. Saturn also gets aspect of Jupiter. Venus aspects the > Saturn in Taurus Rasi owned by itself. So 4th house is strengthened, > which strengthens Saturn who in turn strengthens Lagna and Jupiter's > aspect makes for benefic influence on Saturn. Now Rahu occupying 12th in > Capricorn would give results of Saturn the Lord of the house. So the > results attributed to Rahu in 12th could not manifest. As a matter of > fact, I have noticed that Saturn and Jupiter Sambandha generally leads > one to things spiritual. > > I agree with you that nothing should be applied as a stand-alone factor > in any chart. It is more likely to lead one astray. Do not take these > statements in isolation, may be the intention in the mail was quite > innocent. You should keep a cool head , now that you are in an advanced > state of pregnancy. > > Take care, > Chandrashekhar. > > Jayashree wrote: > > > > > Dear Chandrashekar ji, > > > > That is so interesting, I have never so far come across a situation > > whereby my lagna was suggested differently. Yes, that is the accurate > > co-ordinates for Madras, India. But I get 18 degrees odd of Aquarius > > using the co-ordinates for the time of 2:32 PM. Please let me know if > > the Capricorn lagna is definite. Chandrashekarji, to address the > > other part regarding chart-reading based on single planets, I think > > it is a disgrace that such an approach was used in this forum in > > front of such learned members as yourself, Shri Narasimha Rao ji, > > Shri Ramadas Rao ji, Tatvam-Asi ji and so forth. (Please excuse my > > fun-making here, but I think if this is right, then the single > > placement of Guru Bhagwan alone in my chart, is capable of making me > > eligible for 'moksha' candidacy since he is such a divine planet ;-)) > > > > Please let me know regarding the lagna when your time permits. It is > > so nice of you to take an interest in seeing my chart. Thank-you so > > much for the same. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Jayashree > > > > > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel> > > wrote: > > > Dear Jayashree, > > > May I know what co-ordinates you are using for Chennai? If 80E17 > > 13N05 > > > are used your Rahu comes to Lagna in Capricorn 27.46.49. Are you > > certain > > > your horoscope haas Rahu in 12th? Am I making some mistake in the > > data? > > > New version of JHHora lite appears to have Center of Sin's disc on > > > Eastern horizon as default, though personally I like tip of Sun's > > disc > > > truly on Eastern horizon. Even so the Lagna is not likely to change > > by > > > about 2.5 degrees in that time. > > > Would you confirm whether the chart is right? I am attaching it for > > your > > > ready reference in JHD format. Of course, personally, I do not > > think > > > everyone with Rahu in 12th would have all bad habits, since much > > would > > > depend on Rasi occupied and planets conjunct as well as strength of > > > Lagna.I have seen many with a very pious life with that position of > > > Rahu. The mail is not in that context. > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Jayashree wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Vishwanatham, > > > > > > > > Apologies for a delayed response again. I'm into my 8th month of > > > > pregnancy and I'm kind-of panicked and terrified by the > > predictions > > > > for Rahu in 12. I'm brought up in a somewhat traditional family > > and > > > > also I have a tendency to worry a lot. Also at work for the past > > 1 > > > > month, there's been heavy workload and worries/hassles due to > > that. > > > > When I read the 12th Rahu having some disastrous results, it > > > > automatically put me in a 'hurt/panic' mode, afterall one of the > > > > most wonderful things that have happened to me is my hubby and my > > > > beautiful child (soon going to be 2 of them in 1 more month). They > > > > are important to me more than my life. If you can give your views > > on > > > > what my 12th house Rahu signifies in my chart, that would be great > > > > help to me. I think god is always with me to protect me, but I > > want > > > > to hear a Jyotishi's view also. I noticed my Rahu/Ketu are > > > > in 'Kalinasa' sashtyamsa who is a benefic, ('kalinaasa' was > > > > malefic). My dob is Oct 31st 1971, 2:32 PM, Chennai. Sorry for a > > > > late reply, but I couldn't write earlier. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Jayashree > > > > vedic astrology, "vishwanatham" > > > > <vishwanatham@r...> wrote: > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jayashree, > > > > > > > > > > You have always been nice to people on this group. i was only > > > > saying > > > > > what you had said, i.e., Rahu in 12th alone is not sufficient > > and > > > > as > > > > > always with any dictum is influenced by several other factors! > > > > > > > > > > Can you post your birth details to see why you feel so. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your mail. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > viswanadham > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Jayashree" > > > > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote: > > > > > > Vishwanatham ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry for a very delayed response. I guess the suggestion > > to > > > > > > check the sashtyamsa was hinted at me. I have to admit I'm no > > > > > > jyotishi but a (self-taught) learner, the reason I keep quiet > > > > > without > > > > > > participating much most of the time.It just so happened that > > in > > > > > this > > > > > > thread, having been a person of lofty ideals and strong > > > > > moral/ethical > > > > > > values all through my life, there was sudden insurgency of a > > > > strong > > > > > > impulse to speak up against what I felt was wrong/incorrect, > > > > > atleast > > > > > > in my case. Since every time I speak up, I immediately run > > into > > > > a > > > > > > mentally drained/exhausted and introspective state of > > analyzing > > > > the > > > > > > pros and cons of speaking up thus. I think "not to speak up" > > is > > > > > > ultimately the right thing to do afterall, and because of this > > > > > > reason, I have decided not even to visit this forum for a long > > > > > while > > > > > > to come. For example, I have seen O'Reilly shows where he has > > > > > > commented negatively on the atmosphere at India, and Hinduism > > > > > > adversely for so many times. While each time I do feel the > > same > > > > > > impulse to speak up against it, I ultimately keep quiet since > > I > > > > > > cannot do anything. I once sent a long write-up protesting > > > > against > > > > > a > > > > > > column in Boston Globe Sunday article against Engineers from > > > > India, > > > > > > but that never showed up anywhere for some reason :-(. Well, I > > > > > guess > > > > > > that's me and its time to change afterall. > > > > > > > > > > > > I apologize for this non-astrological message. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > Jayashree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "vishwanatham" > > > > > > <vishwanatham@r...> wrote: > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please have a look at the shashtiamsa of the planet to see > > > > what > > > > > > kind > > > > > > > of karma the planet is carrying from the past life. That > > > > requires > > > > > > > some amount of BT accuracy. So we need to pause.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > viswanadham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Jayashree" > > > > > > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Mukundji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wasn't trying to prove anything. I was rather trying > > > > > > > to "disprove" > > > > > > > > what your statement "tried to prove" w.r.t Rahu's > > placement > > > > in > > > > > > 12th > > > > > > > > house for the entire populace that comes under its > > umbrella. > > > > > And > > > > > > I > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > justified in having proven my salt's worth for whatever > > this > > > > > holy > > > > > > > > planet has blessed me with, for being a happy self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Allowing myself a little liberty(!) so to speak, I guess > > > > > > > > reciting "Manthra-Raja Pada Stothram" should greatly > > benefit > > > > > you, > > > > > > > > since Rahu casts 2nd argala (I don't know if this is > > > > obstructed > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > unobstructed) being placed in Mars' house and also Mars > > > > aspects > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > Sani. This stothram is considered the "King of all > > > > stothrams". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bye now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jayashree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "monmuk111" > > > > > > > <monmuk111> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello Jayashree: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've read the notes you've posted attempting to prove > > > > > > that "Rahu > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > 12th" doesn't always cause bondage, sexual immorality > > and > > > > > > > illegaly > > > > > > > > > obtained wealth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I agree the the "Rahu in 12th" results are greatly > > > > > > modified > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > the placement in a good rashi, i.e. Gemini, Virgo, > > Taurus > > > > and > > > > > > > > Aries. > > > > > > > > > I also agree that the nature of "Rahu in 12th" is > > somewhat > > > > > > > modified > > > > > > > > > by its placement in a good nakshatra (Jupiter ruled > > > > > nakshatras). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Firstly, "Planet in house" dictum never fails. > > > > > Secondly "Planet > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Rashi" dictum never fails. These two are enough for a > > > > broad- > > > > > > brush > > > > > > > > > prediction. Thereafter, one can apply all the high- level > > > > > mumbo- > > > > > > > > jumbo > > > > > > > > > WHICH usually fails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only high-level mumbo-jumbo that I've seen give > > > > > consistent > > > > > > > > > results is Sanjay Rath's notes about predicting nature > > of > > > > > > spouse > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > the quaility of marriage based on Upapada Lagna and > > > > > > > planets/rashis > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > 2nd and 12th from Upapada. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See, in the case of Paul Macartney, he DID have to go > > > > > > > > > through "bondage" like situation as his wife was > > > > frequently > > > > > > > > > hospitalized and he had to care for her. -- See, Rahu in > > > > 12th > > > > > > > > dictum > > > > > > > > > didn't fail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekanada's chart confuses me. I know a woman > > with > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > 12th in Scorpio, this woman has the worst character in > > the > > > > > > world-- > > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > sells herself, lies, steals, does everthing that the > > > > society > > > > > > > frowns > > > > > > > > > upon as long as her actions benefit her--she also has > > Sun > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Mooltrikona in 9th house, but this great placement seems > > > > to > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > compeltely eclipsed by debilitated Rahu in 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, don't worry about your Rahu too much--it is well- > > > > > > disposited > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > the Lagna lord who again is well placed. Well, in your > > > > case, > > > > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > > is in a friendly rashi in the throne who becomes a good > > > > > > > protector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have Saturn in 5th in the enemy Rashi of Pisces and > > > > > evertime > > > > > > I > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > through Saturn Anatara-pratyantara, my life turns upside > > > > down- > > > > > - > > > > > > > see, > > > > > > > > > the dictum about bad effects of Shani in 5th doesn't > > fail > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mukund > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Jayashree" > > > > > > > > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mukundji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consider the chart of Swami Vivekananda. His chart > > comes > > > > > with > > > > > > > JHL > > > > > > > > > > 6.0. He has debilitated Rahu in Scorpio in 12th house. > > > > His > > > > > > > > Sanyasa > > > > > > > > > > Marga does not need my re-introduction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, based on the info provided by another member, > > > > > consider > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > chart of Paul McCartney. His chart has Rahu with > > Gulika > > > > in > > > > > 12 > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Leo. > > > > > > > > > > As I read his life history yesterday, I came to know > > his > > > > > wife > > > > > > > > > fought > > > > > > > > > > and eventually was given away to Breast Cancer. This I > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > attribute to being indicated by Jup, McCartney's 4/7th > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > acquiring > > > > > > > > > > Kendradipathi dosha placed in 10th house and in A7 > > > > > conjoining > > > > > > > > Sun, > > > > > > > > > > the dispositor of Rahu with Gulika in 12th house. > > > > > > Nevertheless, > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > goes without further saying that his wife hasn't > > > > > > > > afterall "suffered > > > > > > > > > > hospitalization along with extra-marital affairs along > > > > with > > > > > > > > earning > > > > > > > > > > money through unfair means". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart : Oct 31 1971, 2:32 PM, Madras, Rahu > > is > > > > co- > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > Aquarius lagna, placed in another of Sani's houses > > > > thereby > > > > > > > > strongly > > > > > > > > > > signifying Sanidev, and placed in 6th lord (waxing) > > > > Moon's > > > > > > star > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > 2, > > > > > > > > > > having healthy trinal relationship with dispositor and > > > > > > lagnesh > > > > > > > > Sani > > > > > > > > > > where Sani is also placed in a friendly sign in a > > > > kendra. > > > > > > Also > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > noted that Rahu is devoid of any further malefic > > aspects > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > associations such as Gulika or Mandi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jayashree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- astrology, "Jayashree" > > > > > > > > > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Mukundji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't agree with you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a different question whether someone > > ascends > > > > > > > > > spiritually > > > > > > > > > > > in a birth or not. However, sinful activities such > > as > > > > > > murder, > > > > > > > > > > > adultery, cruelty to children/animals/others are the > > > > > > > resultant > > > > > > > > > > > of 'poorva paap'. While Rahu will assist in > > unfolding > > > > the > > > > > > > > sinful > > > > > > > > > > > deeds or poorva paap, Rahu is nevertheless 'not' the > > > > > > > indicator > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > accumulated sins. Infact, no single planet can be. > > It > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > be indicated by the affliction to certain key- > > houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the lady's chart, though Mars is well- placed as > > > > lord > > > > > of > > > > > > > > poorva > > > > > > > > > > > punya in Swa-kshetra, the presence of Mercury who is > > > > > > 3rd/12th > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > and dispositor of Rahu/Gulika/Mandi in the 5th, and > > > > the > > > > > > > > > affliction > > > > > > > > > > > to jala-tattwa planet Venus by two fiery planets > > Mars > > > > and > > > > > > > Sun, > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > the affliction to natural lord of intellect Budha by > > > > the > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > fiery > > > > > > > > > > > planets in the house of intellect, along with a Sasa > > > > yoga > > > > > > > > caused > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > malefic Saturn on the Kalathra-Bhava show the > > poorva- > > > > > paap. > > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > helped in unfolding this poorva-paap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu plays a key-role in giving materialistic fruits > > > > and > > > > > > > helps > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > grow ahamkara/moha and Vanity. Where Rahu is placed > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > loss, this causes a deficiency that can manifest as > > > > delay > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > fructification of the fruits of one's efforts. This > > is > > > > > what > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > stand- > > > > > > > > > > > alone Rahu is capable of producing and *nothing > > more*. > > > > > > Where > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > native's chart has collective good karma, along a > > > > > different > > > > > > > > view, > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu as in 12th house causing delays and obstacles > > is > > > > > > > conducive > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > breaking lethargy and tamo-guna to work harder which > > > > is > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > native in the long-run. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my view and I do not differ wee-bit from my > > > > > earlier > > > > > > > > > stand. > > > > > > > > > > > Though I'm not versed in Jyotish formally, my > > > > instincts > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > is the right answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jayashree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- astrology, "monmuk111" > > > > > > > > > > <monmuk111> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Jayashree: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I remember you have Rahu in 12th and couple of > > years > > > > > back > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > told me that your life events/experience doesn't > > fit > > > > > the > > > > > > > > dictum > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in 12th. You may be an exception; however, > > in a > > > > > few > > > > > > > > cases > > > > > > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > > > > > > seen, this dictum doesn't fail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've seen Rahu in 12th causing bondage of some > > sort-- > > > > > > > > difficult > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > predict, but could be in form of hospitalization > > or > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > imprisonment or bondage like situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've seen Rahu in 12th causing the native to earn > > a > > > > lot > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > money, > > > > > > > > > > > > usually through illegal or underhanded activities, > > > > for > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > native usually gets caught and punished or > > maligned. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've seen Rahu in 12th causing the person to > > ignore > > > > > > > societal > > > > > > > > > > norms > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > ones behavior. Sexual excesses and adultry are a > > > > form > > > > > of > > > > > > > > breach > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > societal norms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, I know you haven't experienced/behaved in > > any > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > above > > > > > > > > > > > > situation with your 12th house Rahu, but in my > > > > little > > > > > > > > > experience, > > > > > > > > > > > > I've seen this dictum does come true and that's > > what > > > > > I've > > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I've said isn't the universal truth. There > > are > > > > > > > > exceptions > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > there are exceptions to the exceptions. What I've > > > > noted > > > > > > is > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > generality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're still very young, lot of life is yet to be > > > > > > > > experienced. > > > > > > > > > > > Let's > > > > > > > > > > > > hope it doesn't come true in your case as you're > > > > such a > > > > > > > nice > > > > > > > > > > > person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mukund > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > astrology, "Jayashree" > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jayashree_Ravi@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mukundji & list, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may not be the best interest of a Jyotishi to > > > > > apply > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > dictum > > > > > > > > > > > > > blindfold. It was during my Rahu's bhukti I > > found > > > > > > secure > > > > > > > re- > > > > > > > > > > > > > employment and realization of a long-term wish > > to > > > > > have > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > second > > > > > > > > > > > > > child, giving the direction to a seeming > > disarray > > > > of > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > a 3 > > > > > > > > > > > > > yr period. Only caveat which 'may' fit with your > > > > list > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > suffered for a 5 month period with severe > > shoulder > > > > > pain > > > > > > > > (Jan - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May '04) that the doctor called as 'Muscular > > > > spasm' > > > > > and > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > banned > > > > > > > > > > > > > from taking medicines too since I had conceived > > my > > > > > > child. > > > > > > > > But > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > miraculously disappeared with no treatment in > > mid- > > > > > May, > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > doctor > > > > > > > > > > > > > reversed the plate as 'no spasm'. This too, I > > bet, > > > > is > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > transit results as Meena Rasi has been in a kind > > > > > > > > of 'Grahana' > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometime now with Rahu in 2nd, Ketu in 8, > > Jupiter > > > > > (till > > > > > > > > > > > recently) > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6, Sani in Ardhashtaka. I *never* faced any > > other > > > > bad- > > > > > > > stuff > > > > > > > > > > > listed > > > > > > > > > > > > > due to 12th house Rahu, but I can say I have a > > > > > tendency > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > blame > > > > > > > > > > > > > myself for no mistake on my part and feel > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > guilty > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jayashree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > > astrology, "monmuk111" > > > > > > > > > > > > <monmuk111> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Debbie: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for being bold and truthful and sharing > > > > the > > > > > > > > > additional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information, it helps the Jyotish greatly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, here is a prediction I had done for you > > on > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Jagannath > > > > > > > > > > > > > board > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when I didn't know ANYTHING about your > > personal > > > > > life > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > noted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that some of the things I had told you were > > true- > > > > - > > > > > > here > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > excerpt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from my reading: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > _ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Hello Deborah: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You've not entered a new dasa, but a new > > > > antardasa > > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > maha > > > > > > > > > > > > > (main) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa of Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Rahu is placed in the 12th house from > > Lagna > > > > so > > > > > > it > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > expected > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give you problems. Rahu in 12th USUSALLY gives > > > > > health > > > > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > related confinement, litigation and related > > > > > > punishment, > > > > > > > > > sexual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > excesses and related results like unwanted > > > > > > pregnancies, > > > > > > > > > STD, > > > > > > > > > > > etc." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > _ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You've told us about your extra-marital affair > > > > > which > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that are the results of 12th house Rahu. You > > > > also > > > > > > told > > > > > > > us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about "unwanted" pregnancies that I had > > > > predicted > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > result indifference to societal norms, which > > in > > > > > turn > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > result > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th house Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The saving grace is Rahu's placement in a > > > > favorable > > > > > > > rashi > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gemini. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's 12th house placement let you astray and > > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > benefical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placement in Gemini brough a sense of self- > > > > > awareness > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will lead to self-improvement. Had the 12th > > > > house > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rashi bad for Rahu such as Saggitarius or > > Pices, > > > > it > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > ruined > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See, the old sages knew what they were talking > > > > > about > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > up all these dictums.--They do come true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, this gives me a small shot of confidence > > > > in > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > predicting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ability. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the issue at hand is for the GURUS to > > come > > > > up > > > > > > with > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > remedy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that'll bring some peace in your life. Let's > > > > hope > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > GURUS > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the challenge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mukund > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > > > > astrology, "the_lighted1" > > > > > > > > > > > > > <m18deb@a...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just wanted to include some relevant > > > > > information > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > regard > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart that may be useful. I thought that I > > > > > posted > > > > > > > > > earlier > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess that I did it wrong because I don't > > see > > > > > it. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > thank > > > > > > > > > > > > > everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for their insight and am using it to > > > > understand > > > > > my > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > better, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was married the first time on December > > 20th, > > > > > 1981 > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > year > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that I graduated from high school and had a > > > > son > > > > > on > > > > > > > June > > > > > > > > > > 8th, > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1982. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separated from my husband in May of 1983 and > > > > was > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > extra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marital affair and my husband whom I had > > filed > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > divorce > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was in a different relationship himself > > killed > > > > > > > himself > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > shooting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > himself in the head with a rifle in the back > > > > yard > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > home on April 25, 1984 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My second marriage was May 17th, 1989. I > > had > > > > a > > > > > son > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > prior > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the marriage on August 30th 1987 and another > > > > son > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > were > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > married on September 6th, 1989. That > > husband > > > > was > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > severe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alcoholic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who was very abusive and I separated from > > him > > > > > less > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > year > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we were married but never filed for a > > > > divorce. > > > > > The > > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > kicked > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out was January 20th 1990 and he died of the > > > > > > delirium > > > > > > > > > > > tremens > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are the DT's caused by withdraw from alcohol > > > > on > > > > > > > October > > > > > > > > > 14, > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1992. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was the day before his 34th birthday. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other things that may be of interest are > > that > > > > my > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > > > youngest > > > > > > > > > > > > > sons > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been raised by my mother and father > > since > > > > > July > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > 1992. > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was voluntarily at first when I was > > > > financially > > > > > not > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but as time went by my mother did what she > > > > could > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > prevent > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > sons > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from living with me and discouraged them to > > do > > > > > so. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the time but my mother I feel betrayed me > > > > in > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > encouraging > > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sons to want to live with me and we have > > had a > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > strained > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks again, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Debbie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <boxdel> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn becomes Shubha being in own house > > and > > > > > > > attracts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kendradhipati > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dosha, thus giving some bad results > > related > > > > to > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Being 8th Lord in 7th he is also capable > > of > > > > > > harming > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indications > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th house. These two are separate issues > > and > > > > > need > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > viewed > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would say the problems in marriage could > > > > > arise > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > either > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being able to communicate with spouse or > > due > > > > to > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > somewhat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > negative > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > view > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of looking at things and suspicious > > nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramesh Gangaramani wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your comments and for > > > > pointing > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8L > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too. I want to understand the earlier > > > > comment > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > yours. > > > > > > > > > > > > Does > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that Saturn in this case will not be > > > > shubha > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or because it is placed in own house? > > Will > > > > > the > > > > > > > > dictum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of 'Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > protects the house in which it is > > placed' > > > > get > > > > > > > > diluted > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own house? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** Chandrashekhar > > > > > [boxdel] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Sent:* Sunday, September 12, 2004 > > > > 12:30 > > > > > AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *To:* Ramesh Gangaramani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Cc:* vedic- > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Subject:* Re: [vedic- astrology] I > > > > have > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > widowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > twice > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wondering if I will have another > > chance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Debbie/Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would think Debbie might marry > > again > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > April > > > > > > > > > > > > 2005 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage is likely to be more > > > > fortunate. > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mature in age than Debbie, is what I > > > > > think. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way Ramesh, Malefic owning a > > > > > Kendra > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > Shubha > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > occupying that Kendra, Saturn is in > > > > > Kendra > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th lord too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramesh Gangaramani wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Satyam Bruyat Priyam Buryat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Debbie, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I am sorry to hear about the > > > > tragedies > > > > > in > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > life. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> initiating a discussion based on my > > > > > > initial > > > > > > > > > > > > > observations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> In case of females 8H signifies > > > > magalaya > > > > > = > > > > > > > > > marital > > > > > > > > > > > > bond, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> subhagya, vaidhavya = widowhood. In > > > > D1, > > > > > 8H > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> and Rahu. In D9 the 8H has Saturn > > > > placed > > > > > > in > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Mars, Venus and Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> This is what Kalyan Verma has to > > > > > say "KV: > > > > > > > > > Malefic > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> cause widowhood. This will occur in > > > > the > > > > > > Dasa > > > > > > > > > > > periods > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> of the Navamsa occupied by the 8th > > > > > Lord." > > > > > > > Your > > > > > > > > > 8L > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> placed in 8H in D9 in Leo rashi. > > Lord > > > > is > > > > > > > Sun. > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > tragedy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> occurred in Sun-Ven-Ven dasa. > > (Please > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > functional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> characteristics of Venus below.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> The first case happened in Venus > > dasa > > > > > > which > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > functional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> malefic (kendradhipati dosha and > > also > > > > > 11L) > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > Cancer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> happens to be the lord of 2nd house > > > > from > > > > > > UL > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maraka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> 1st spouse. AD was that of Mercury > > > > which > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > functional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> malefic (dusthana lord and > > > > trisadipati- > > > > > > 12L > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > 3L). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> UL is placed 12th from AL in D1. > > This > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > indicates > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> 'rejection of spouse'. I am not > > sure > > > > > what > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> case. Also this applies to the 1st > > > > > spouse. > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > UL > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> aspected by Sun, Mars, Mercury and > > > > > Venus. > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > rashi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > drishti of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Saturn. I am not sure if this would > > > > > > indicate > > > > > > > > > > > premature > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> the spouse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> 2nd spouse/partner is seen from 8th > > > > from > > > > > > UL > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > falls > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Scorpio. 2nd from that has Moon and > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> of this house Jupiter however is > > > > strong > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > protect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the UL! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> In both cases ULL Mars in own house > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > favorable > > > > > > > > > > > > > factor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> should have given longevity to > > them! > > > > > Other > > > > > > > > > factor > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > 7L > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> being in own house. Saturn usually > > > > > > protects > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> is placed especially so in this > > case > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Though 8H affliction of D1 may > > > > indicate > > > > > > > > > widowhood, > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> positive factors too. I would > > > > therefore > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > hear > > > > > > > > > > > > > views > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> knowledgeable members . I have > > > > attached > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > JHL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > format > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> for the sake of convenience. I hope > > > > the > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > details > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> correct. Just one question please, > > > > were > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > > spouses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Martian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> personalities? I am sure you know > > > > that > > > > > UL > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > indicate a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> partner regardless of formal > > > > marriage! > > > > > In > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > words > > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> were other stable relationships > > > > (lasting > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > year > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> working would change. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Before I close I must mention that > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9H > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> which in your case has Jupiter in > > own > > > > > > house! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> the_lighted1 > > > > [m18deb@a...] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Friday, September 10, 2004 > > 3:49 > > > > AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> vedic- astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> [vedic astrology] I have > > > > been > > > > > > > widowed > > > > > > > > > > > twice > > > > > > > > > > > > > and am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> wondering if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I will have another chance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Hello respected Guru's and > > learned > > > > > > > students, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > I was wondering if you see from > > my > > > > own > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> future for me. I have been plagued > > by > > > > > > > > > unfortunate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > circumstance in my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > previous 2 marriages in which I > > was > > > > > > > widowed > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instances all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > before the age of 30. The first > > > > time > > > > > was > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > April > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1985 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > second time was October 1992. I > > am > > > > > > > including > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > please let me know if you need > > > > > > additional > > > > > > > > > > > > > information. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > currently studying on my own > > until > > > > I > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > educated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to join > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> the ranks as an official student. I > > > > > would > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exactly in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> my chart determines this and if > > this > > > > is > > > > > > > going > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > happen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again or will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I not have another marriage etc.. > > > > Thank > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > insight. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Warm Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Debbie Munger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Debbie Munger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Nov 18, 1963 10:33 PM +08:00 PST > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sacramento, CA:USA Longitude: > > > > 121W30 > > > > > > > > Latitude: > > > > > > > > > > > 38N35 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:21 Current > > > > > Period: > > > > > > > > > MA/RA/RA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Planet Deg Sign Speed SA > > Nakshatra > > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ================================================ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Asc 21:57 Can Aslesha Me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sun 02:50 Sco +01:00:34 WK > > Vishakha > > > > Ju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Moon 05:14 Sag +11:55:04 WK Mula > > Ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mars 24:33 Sco +00:44:34 ST > > > > Jyeshtha Me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Merc 11:00 Sco +01:32:47 CM > > > > Anuradha Sa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > JuptR 16:38 Pis -00:03:18 FM > > > > U.Bhadra > > > > > Sa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ven 23:44 Sco +01:14:46 WK > > Jyeshtha > > > > Me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sat 23:47 Cap +00:02:51 FM > > > > Dhanishtha > > > > > Ma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Rahu 18:32 Gem -00:02:11 FM > > Ardra Ra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ketu 18:32 Sag -00:02:11 FM > > > > P.Shadya Ve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > True Node 365.25 Day Year - > > > > Internet > > > > > > Time: > > > > > > > > 315 > > > > > > > > > > > beats > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Day: Monday Sunrise: 6:52 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Tithi: Shukla Tritiya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Yoga Pt: 11:24 Li Yogi:Ra > > > > AviYogi:Ve > > > > > Dup > > > > > > > > Yogi: > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Dagha Rashis: Leo Cap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Rashi Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** 5 * * 3 ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *6 * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > 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>> > *MA 24:33 * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * MO 05:14* * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * KE 18:32 * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** 9 * * 11 ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Navamsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** 11 * * 9 ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *12* * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * MA * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * VE * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *RA * 10 AS * 8 JUR * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** * * ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *1 * 7 ME * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** * * ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *2 * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *MO * 4 SU * 6 KE * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * SA * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** 3 * * 5 ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Khavedamsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** 1 * * 11 ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *2 * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * RA * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * KE * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *VE * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *SA * 12 AS * 10 SU * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** * * ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *3 MA * 9 ME * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** * * ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > *4 * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * 6 * 8 * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * JUR * * MO * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > ** 5 * * 7 ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > ======================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ke/Ma 8/22/1963 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ke/Ra 1/18/1964 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ke/Ju 2/5/1965 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ke/Sa 1/12/1966 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ke/Me 2/21/1967 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Ve 2/18/1968 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Su 6/19/1971 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Mo 6/19/1972 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Ma 2/17/1974 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Ra 4/19/1975 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Ju 4/19/1978 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Sa 12/18/1980 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Me 2/18/1984 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ve/Ke 12/19/1986 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Su 2/18/1988 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Mo 6/6/1988 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Ma 12/6/1988 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Ra 4/13/1989 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Ju 3/8/1990 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Sa 12/25/1990 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Me 12/7/1991 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Ke 10/12/1992 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Su/Ve 2/17/1993 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Mo 2/17/1994 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Ma 12/19/1994 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Ra 7/20/1995 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Ju 1/18/1997 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Sa 5/20/1998 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Me 12/19/1999 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Ke 5/19/2001 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Ve 12/18/2001 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Mo/Su 8/19/2003 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Ma 2/18/2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Ra 7/16/2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Ju 8/3/2005 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Sa 7/10/2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Me 8/19/2007 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Ke 8/15/2008 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Ve 1/11/2009 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Su 3/14/2010 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ma/Mo 7/19/2010 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Ra 2/18/2011 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Ju 10/31/2013 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Sa 3/25/2016 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Me 1/30/2019 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Ke 8/19/2021 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Ve 9/6/2022 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Su 9/6/2025 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Mo 8/1/2026 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ra/Ma 1/30/2028 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Ju 2/17/2029 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Sa 4/7/2031 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Me 10/19/2033 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Ke 1/24/2036 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Ve 12/30/2036 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Su 8/31/2039 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Mo 6/19/2040 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Ma 10/19/2041 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ju/Ra 9/24/2042 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Sa 2/17/2045 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Me 2/21/2048 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Ke 10/31/2050 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Ve 12/10/2051 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Su 2/8/2055 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Mo 1/21/2056 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Ma 8/22/2057 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Ra 9/30/2058 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sa/Ju 8/6/2061 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Me/Me 2/18/2064 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Me/Ke 7/16/2066 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Me/Ve 7/14/2067 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Me/Su 5/13/2070 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Me/Mo 3/20/2071 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Me/Ma 8/18/2072 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Me/Ra 8/16/2073 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Me/Ju 3/4/2076 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Me/Sa 6/10/2078 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> ------------------------ > > > > Groups > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Archives: > > > > > > vedic- > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Group info: > > > > > > > vedic- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > vedic- > > > > > > > astrology- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> ....... 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