The Correct Kalachakra Dasa!?!

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MR.Chandrashekharji, Smt.Shanti, Mr.PVR.Narasimhaji,

Mr.Chandrashekarji,

My perception is that you’re a man of vivid Astrological knowledge; you could

circumvent any astrological discussion. However your misconceptions about

Astrological Kala chakra dasa to some other pooja system had caused me to

approach my Village Prohit for further clarifications.

Smt.Shanti,

Please understand from Mr. Narasimha’s post to you, that “ All that glitters are not gold”

Mr.P.V.R. Narasimha Rao,

My village Prohit is a practicing in Krishna Yajurveda Aabhassthmba suthram, he

directed me to contact his Guru at Thanjavour who had taught him Mukurtha Sastra

and Kala chakra dasa system several 10s of years ago. Leaving my Divalli

business, I road all the way to Thanjavour in search of my Prohit’s Guruji and

really after my Bhakiratha- Prayathna I could trace my Prohit’s Guruji at

Pondicherry 605005,INDIA.It was a surprise for me to understand that my

Prohit’s Guruji as well as Mr.VedapuriBaskaraBandulu.D.Sathiyanarayanagupta are

the one and the same person.

Mr.VedapuriBaskarabandulu.D.sathiyanarayanagupta was kind enough to give

Bala-siksha in Kala chackra dasa system, the blue print of it have been

publicized

Mr.Narasimha Rao, Sir, if your genuinely interested in honoring, you may do so

and send copies of your book and commercial soft-wear to:

Mr.VedapuriBaskaraBandulu.D.Sathiyanarayanagupta,

# 24, 2nd Cross-, Annanagar,

PONDICHERRY 605005,

Pond cherry State,

I N D I A.

My address: Mr.K.Krishnamoorthy,(Dhananjayan)

Prop. Gandhi Textiles,

# 115 / H2, Pootai Road,

Sankarapuram 606401.

Villupuram Dist,

Tamil Nadu State,

INDIA.

My village Prohit has no system, do know English, he told me your books or soft-

wear is of no use to him. I have a system for my business purpose only. In our

village we Often face Electricity failure and net-congestion.

Dhananjayan.

 

"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote:

Namaste Shanthi,

 

Thank you for the kind support. However, no negative motives need to be seen

behind someone's questioning my method.

 

In all honesty, I do not want to defend "the Kalachakra dasa of PVR". Instead, I

want to correctly understand the Kalachakra dasa of Lord Shiva and Sage

Parasara. If I make a mistake, it should be corrected at the earliest

opportunity! True knowledge alone is eternal. All other things, like ego,

reputation etc, are temporary.

 

I worked on Kalachakra dasa in my formative years as an astrology scholar

(1993-1998). I went by the interpretation I found in some texts. I thought I

found it working, but I honestly did not have a consistent method. My original

lecture on Kalachakra dasa at Arsha Vidya Gurukulam had a lot of loose logic.

If some fault me for sharing half-baked knowledge, they are correct and I

humbly accept my errors. The bottomline is that I never thought my

understanding of Kalachakra dasa was infallible. As my understanding of

astrology matured more, I realized that my understanding of Kalachakra was

imperfect.

 

I honestly don't think that Kalachakra dasa as given in my original lecture at

AVG or in JHora is accurate. I will offer more options in future, based on a

more cautious study and research.

 

In fact, Sanjay ji asked me to write two books on Kalachakra dasa and

Ashtakavarga when I finished my first book ("Vedic Astrology: An Integrated

Approach"). I refused saying I had not yet understood either correctly. [Yes, I

believe there are important missing links in ashtakavarga. I am not talking

about the inconsistencies between Varahamihira and Parasara. I believe there

are more errors in fundamental understanding. I am still working on this.]

 

One big issue in Kalachakra dasa is whether dasa sesham is applied to the first

dasa or the entire paramayush consisting of 9 dasas. Though JHora gives only

the latter, I have both in my personal version of JHora and experimented with

both. The advantage of the latter approach is that there is continuity across

nakshatra pada boundaries. However, one can argue that this is not a necessity,

as discontinuities across savya and apasavya nakshatra boundaries cannot be

avoided anyway! The advantage of the former approach is that it allows us to

stick to the four paramayush values given by Parasara and Shiva.

 

When I originally worked on Kalachakra dasa 8-9 years back, I did not have the

knowledge, maturity and ability to resolve this issue satisfactorily. I made a

lot of progress in recent months. However, I was always flummoxed by antardasa

computation. Taking antardasas from dasa sign is Vimsottari dasa thinking and

is too simplisitc. I was always convinced that the correct answer was something

else (but I could not put my finger on it). Moreover, I was not satisfied with

antardasa in many examples. In my early days, I would accept any logic, but I

am more strict now.

 

Dhananjayan Brahma's recent comments made my intellectual curiosity deeper. I

meditated more on this. I referred to a book I have, which gives a lot more

material than Parasara. This book has a lot of Sanskrit verses that are a

conversation between Shiva and Parvati. It was published in 1931 with Telugu

language translation by a scholar called Sriman Tirumala Samudrala Venkata

Raghavacharya. I luckily grabbed a copy of it a few years back. I read it

several times before, but still did not understand antardasas correctly. When I

read it last week again, the internal spark was lit by the grace of Lord Shiva.

Finally I understood that dasas, antardasas, pratyantardasas etc are based on

the same logic and that antardasas are not philosophically different from

dasas.

 

When I described my finding to Sanjay ji, he found it very logical. It simply

made the perfect sense to both of us. He was so excited that he said we should

present this at the Mumbai conference of SJC. I would have normally waited and

experimented for 6-12 months before going public, but Sanjay ji made the

decision and I will act accordingly. Sanjay ji and I are going to jointly write

a paper on Kalachakra dasa. As I will not be in Mumbai, Sanjay ji will present

it on behalf of both of us. I look forward to sharing this with the world.

 

After the Mumbai conference is over, I will go public with my findings. But I

want to thank Dhananjayan Brahma and his village purohit for questioning me and

deepening the dormant intellectual curiosity in this matter. I am most grateful.

 

Dear Dhananjayan Brahma, if the village purohit you mentioned has a computer, I

want to give you and him two free copies of the commercial version of JHora

(with three options given for Kalachakra dasa, including my latest finding and

the facility to use Moon or lagna for Kalachakra dasa as explicitly taught by

Shiva). Please send me a private mail with the addresses.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

 

> OM NAMO NARAYANAYA.> > Respected Gurujis,> > The Kalachakra Dasa system done

by PVR ji has to be appreciated and > it has given me consistent results in all

my research.> PVR ji has done a lot of research and has taken all the materials

> from the original teachings of ancient seers. So I feel that > questioning

the very research for its authenticity should not arise.> > There are so many

systems given in ancient texts which have similar > names .I am eager to know

about the new dasa system talked about by > Brahmaji.> > Thanking you,> With

Pranams,> Shanthi.

 

> Dear Mr.PVN Narasimha Raoji,> > Kalachakra dasa is a most difficult dasa

system to understand. It is said to be the most Palitha dasa (describes the

true occurrence / events in once life time). Maharishi Parashar said in his

BPHS -ch.46 para 6-11” that some Maharishis had said it, as a supreme dasa” He

explains it from para 53-95 as Goddess mother Parvathy preached it to him.> >

In Tamil nadu (Madras state) it is popularly known as Uma Mageswara samvaadha /

Sambhashana Kalachakra dasa.> > My village Prohit is of the opinion that the

Kala chakr dasa /bukthi calculatons in JHL6.are seem to be most erratic and I

am also of the opinion it is seemly contradicting Mr. PVR Narasimha Rao’s own

deliberations in some seminar in USA / help menu lessons contained in his

erstwhile ver.5 of JHL (at present the download of ver.6 had eroded the

previous records in ver.5)> > During the electoral battle of Mr.

Bush /Mr. Kerry, I have seen Mr.SathyanarayanaGupta had used, the slowly

vanishing Kala chakra dasa system Successfully, in the opinion of my village

Prohit,’ it is a renascence to Kala chakra dasa system, which action of his has

to be commended / appreciated.’> > My village Prohit had consented to teach me

the system, he told me it is also known as Amsa Rasi dasa. There are 12 Savya

dasa cycle named after the 12 Rasis, similarly there are 12 Abhasavya dasa

cycle named after 12 Rasis, for the dasa cycles starting from Mesha, Simha,

Dhanus PurnaAyu is 100 years, for the dasa cycles starting from Rishaba, Kanya,

Makara PurnaAyu is 85 years, for the dasa cycles starting from Mituna, Thula,

Makara Puna Ayu is 83 years, for the dasa cycles starting from Kark, Vrishika,

Meena is 86years. He also told that there are 11 Gati / jumps in total, Out of

which one Jalagati is common for dasa / bukthi, Simha & Thuraga gati for dasas

only, Cock, Peacock, Frog Gati / jumps for

bukthi only. He told me that among the Maharishis there are no difference of

opinion in the dasa system approach, the only difference is in the recognition

of number of Gati / jumps. (Refer Jathga Alangar by Keeranur Natarajan, Veteran

Astrologer who lived 55o years ago, his book in the> poetic form, it should be

read with its commentary).> > As a first step he had instructed me to Write

Savya Nakshtra padas from Aries to Pisces clock-wise (Aswani 1 in Mesha, 2 in

Rishaba, 3in Mithuna, 4 in Kataka……………Kirthika4 in Pisces, similarly from

Punarvasu1 to Aslesha4, Hastha1 to Swati 4,Moola 1 to Uttarashada

4,Poorvabhadra 1 to Revathy 4.> > When I step into my 2nd session class, I

shall keep you posted.> > I request Mr.Sathyanarayana Gupta to advise the

correctness of the above.> > Dhananjayan.

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Dear Dhananjayan,

There is no misconception. I think you were referring to Kalachakra

dasha, which according to the Purohit, could not be known to anybody,

without Bhagiratha Prayatna. If this is right then, details of

Kalachakra Dasha being provided by many Astrological texts about

Kalachakra dasha; I thought your Purohit was confusing it with the

Kalachakra Puja and Buddhist Tantra.

There need not be any confusion about Kalachakra dasha as far as

Astrology is concerned, they having been elaborated at length by many

Sages, in detail. Kalachakra dasha given by Parashara also mentions how

to interpret

Navamsha of Moon's pada occupation of Savya /Apasavya Rasis. Parashara

mentions only Manduka, Markati and Simhavalokana gati.

You have given many other Gatis( unless they are merely different names

for the same Gatis), like Cock,Peacock etc. If D. Sathiyanarayana

Gupta, who is knowledgeable, is giving different parameters than those

given by Parashara, perhaps he has some other source from which he is

relating these.

Chandrashekhar.

Dhananjayan Brahma wrote:

MR.Chandrashekharji, Smt.Shanti,

Mr.PVR.Narasimhaji,

Mr.Chandrashekarji,

My perception is that you’re a man of

vivid Astrological knowledge; you could circumvent any astrological

discussion. However your misconceptions about Astrological Kala chakra

dasa to some other pooja system had caused me to approach my Village

Prohit for further clarifications.

Smt.Shanti,

Please understand from Mr. Narasimha’s

post to you, that “ All that glitters are not gold”

Mr.P.V.R. Narasimha Rao,

My village Prohit is a

practicing in Krishna Yajurveda Aabhassthmba suthram, he directed me to

contact his Guru at Thanjavour who had taught him Mukurtha Sastra and

Kala chakra dasa system several 10s of years ago. Leaving my Divalli

business, I road all the way to Thanjavour in search of my Prohit’s

Guruji and really after my Bhakiratha- Prayathna I could trace my

Prohit’s Guruji at Pondicherry 605005,INDIA.It was a surprise for me to

understand that my Prohit’s Guruji as well as

Mr.VedapuriBaskaraBandulu.D.Sathiyanarayanagupta are the one and the

same person.

Mr.VedapuriBaskarabandulu.D.sathiyanarayanagupta

was kind enough to give Bala-siksha in Kala chackra dasa system, the

blue print of it have been publicized

Mr.Narasimha Rao, Sir, if your

genuinely interested in honoring, you may do so and send copies of your

book and commercial soft-wear to:

Mr.VedapuriBaskaraBandulu.D.Sathiyanarayanagupta,

# 24, 2nd Cross-, Annanagar,

PONDICHERRY 605005,

Pond cherry State,

I N D I A.

My address:

Mr.K.Krishnamoorthy,(Dhananjayan)

Prop. Gandhi Textiles,

# 115 / H2, Pootai Road,

Sankarapuram 606401.

Villupuram Dist,

Tamil Nadu State,

INDIA.

My village Prohit has no system, do

know English, he told me your books or soft- wear is of no use to him.

I have a system for my business purpose only. In our village we Often

face Electricity failure and net-congestion.

Dhananjayan.

 

"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote:

Namaste Shanthi,

 

Thank you for the kind support.

However, no negative motives need to be seen behind someone's

questioning my method.

 

In all honesty, I do not want to

defend "the Kalachakra dasa of PVR". Instead, I want to correctly

understand the Kalachakra dasa of Lord Shiva and Sage Parasara. If I

make a mistake, it should be corrected at the earliest opportunity!

True knowledge alone is eternal. All other things, like ego, reputation

etc, are temporary.

 

I worked on Kalachakra dasa in my

formative years as an astrology scholar (1993-1998). I went by the

interpretation I found in some texts. I thought I found it working, but

I honestly did not have a consistent method. My original lecture on

Kalachakra dasa at Arsha Vidya Gurukulam had a lot of loose logic. If

some fault me for sharing half-baked knowledge, they are correct and I

humbly accept my errors. The bottomline is that I never thought my

understanding of Kalachakra dasa was infallible. As my understanding of

astrology matured more, I realized that my understanding of Kalachakra

was imperfect.

 

I honestly don't think that

Kalachakra dasa as given in my original lecture at AVG or in JHora is

accurate. I will offer more options in future, based on a more cautious

study and research.

 

In fact, Sanjay ji asked me to

write two books on Kalachakra dasa and Ashtakavarga when I finished my

first book ("Vedic Astrology: An Integrated Approach"). I refused

saying I had not yet understood either correctly. [Yes, I believe there

are important missing links in ashtakavarga. I am not talking about the

inconsistencies between Varahamihira and Parasara. I believe there are

more errors in fundamental understanding. I am still working on this.]

 

One big issue in Kalachakra dasa

is whether dasa sesham is applied to the first dasa or the entire

paramayush consisting of 9 dasas. Though JHora gives only the latter, I

have both in my personal version of JHora and experimented with both.

The advantage of the latter approach is that there is continuity across

nakshatra pada boundaries. However, one can argue that this is not a

necessity, as discontinuities across savya and apasavya nakshatra

boundaries cannot be avoided anyway! The advantage of the former

approach is that it allows us to stick to the four paramayush values

given by Parasara and Shiva.

 

When I originally worked on

Kalachakra dasa 8-9 years back, I did not have the knowledge, maturity

and ability to resolve this issue satisfactorily. I made a lot of

progress in recent months. However, I was always flummoxed by antardasa

computation. Taking antardasas from dasa sign is Vimsottari dasa

thinking and is too simplisitc. I was always convinced that the correct

answer was something else (but I could not put my finger on it).

Moreover, I was not satisfied with antardasa in many examples. In my

early days, I would accept any logic, but I am more strict now.

 

Dhananjayan Brahma's recent

comments made my intellectual curiosity deeper. I meditated more on

this. I referred to a book I have, which gives a lot more material than

Parasara. This book has a lot of Sanskrit verses that are a

conversation between Shiva and Parvati. It was published in 1931 with

Telugu language translation by a scholar called Sriman Tirumala

Samudrala Venkata Raghavacharya. I luckily grabbed a copy of it a few

years back. I read it several times before, but still did not

understand antardasas correctly. When I read it last week again, the

internal spark was lit by the grace of Lord Shiva. Finally I understood

that dasas, antardasas, pratyantardasas etc are based on the same logic

and that antardasas are not philosophically different from dasas.

 

When I described my finding to

Sanjay ji, he found it very logical. It simply made the perfect sense

to both of us. He was so excited that he said we should present this at

the Mumbai conference of SJC. I would have normally waited and

experimented for 6-12 months before going public, but Sanjay ji made

the decision and I will act accordingly. Sanjay ji and I are going to

jointly write a paper on Kalachakra dasa. As I will not be in Mumbai,

Sanjay ji will present it on behalf of both of us. I look forward to

sharing this with the world.

 

After the Mumbai conference is

over, I will go public with my findings. But I want to thank

Dhananjayan Brahma and his village purohit for questioning me and

deepening the dormant intellectual curiosity in this matter. I am most

grateful.

 

Dear Dhananjayan Brahma, if the

village purohit you mentioned has a computer, I want to give you and

him two free copies of the commercial version of JHora (with three

options given for Kalachakra dasa, including my latest finding and the

facility to use Moon or lagna for Kalachakra dasa as explicitly taught

by Shiva). Please send me a private mail with the addresses.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

 

> OM NAMO NARAYANAYA.

>

> Respected Gurujis,

>

> The Kalachakra Dasa system done by PVR ji has to be appreciated

and

> it has given me consistent results in all my research.

> PVR ji has done a lot of research and has taken all the materials

> from the original teachings of ancient seers. So I feel that

> questioning the very research for its authenticity should not

arise.

>

> There are so many systems given in ancient texts which have

similar

> names .I am eager to know about the new dasa system talked about

by

> Brahmaji.

>

> Thanking you,

> With Pranams,

> Shanthi.

 

> Dear Mr.PVN Narasimha Raoji,

>

> Kalachakra dasa is a most difficult dasa system to understand. It

is said to be the most Palitha dasa (describes the true occurrence /

events in once life time). Maharishi Parashar said in his BPHS -ch.46

para 6-11” that some Maharishis had said it, as a supreme dasa” He

explains it from para 53-95 as Goddess mother Parvathy preached it to

him.

>

> In Tamil nadu (Madras state) it is popularly known as Uma

Mageswara samvaadha / Sambhashana Kalachakra dasa.

>

> My village Prohit is of the opinion that the Kala chakr dasa

/bukthi calculatons in JHL6.are seem to be most erratic and I am also

of the opinion it is seemly contradicting Mr. PVR Narasimha Rao’s own

deliberations in some seminar in USA / help menu lessons contained in

his erstwhile ver.5 of JHL (at present the download of ver.6 had eroded

the previous records in ver.5)

>

> During the electoral battle of Mr. Bush /Mr. Kerry, I have seen

Mr.SathyanarayanaGupta had used, the slowly vanishing Kala chakra dasa

system Successfully, in the opinion of my village Prohit,’ it is a

renascence to Kala chakra dasa system, which action of his has to be

commended / appreciated.’

>

> My village Prohit had consented to teach me the system, he told me

it is also known as Amsa Rasi dasa. There are 12 Savya dasa cycle named

after the 12 Rasis, similarly there are 12 Abhasavya dasa cycle named

after 12 Rasis, for the dasa cycles starting from Mesha, Simha, Dhanus

PurnaAyu is 100 years, for the dasa cycles starting from Rishaba,

Kanya, Makara PurnaAyu is 85 years, for the dasa cycles starting from

Mituna, Thula, Makara Puna Ayu is 83 years, for the dasa cycles

starting from Kark, Vrishika, Meena is 86years. He also told that there

are 11 Gati / jumps in total, Out of which one Jalagati is common for

dasa / bukthi, Simha & Thuraga gati for dasas only, Cock, Peacock,

Frog Gati / jumps for bukthi only. He told me that among the Maharishis

there are no difference of opinion in the dasa system approach, the

only difference is in the recognition of number of Gati / jumps. (Refer

Jathga Alangar by Keeranur Natarajan, Veteran Astrologer who lived 55o

years ago, his book in the

> poetic form, it should be read with its commentary).

>

> As a first step he had instructed me to Write Savya Nakshtra

padas from Aries to Pisces clock-wise (Aswani 1 in Mesha, 2 in Rishaba,

3in Mithuna, 4 in Kataka……………Kirthika4 in Pisces, similarly from

Punarvasu1 to Aslesha4, Hastha1 to Swati 4,Moola 1 to Uttarashada

4,Poorvabhadra 1 to Revathy 4.

>

> When I step into my 2nd session class, I shall keep you posted.

>

> I request Mr.Sathyanarayana Gupta to advise the correctness of the

above.

>

> Dhananjayan.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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