2nd house Jup in various roles--Julia Roberts

[Guest guest]

Namaste Pradeep,

 

When you are talking about affairs, don't you look at 7th house also? And the

3rd since 3, 7 and 11 constitute the kaama trikona? Why it can't be the

influence of weak 11 th lord Venus placed in 2nd house (it is also the house

of attraction) indicative of such behaviour and Jupiter as the expansive

planet & the lord of shadripu (6th house) could have encouraged "vriddhi" !!

And, since Venus is also the 4th lord & moon is also involved (the two planets

connected with the 2nd house in natural zodiac), her family suffered.

 

By the way, where is her Sun?

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep > wrote:

Dear Ms.ReemaOne thing that needs to be observed at first glance ,from Julias

chart is the planets in 2nd house. The simplest way to get a general overview

of a chart w.r to finance,is to look for a link between lakshmisthanas & inflow

,outflow houses.When lagna is involved the effects are

pronounced.(1,5,9,11,2).In her case 11th lord Venus,9th lord Jupiter, and lagna

lord moon areplaced in 2nd.Mars the fifth lord is in the house of 9th

lord(jupiter) and aspected by him.A connection between all money houses.Thus

this simple technique, outlines the presence of an inherent big promise.(the

strength of these have to be reconfirmed with amsha

positions,shadbala,karakas,ashtakavarga of inflow and balance houses etc).Now

coming to family and affairs - She had relationships(publicly known)atleast

with dozen men,and

married multiple times.Do we need a better proof regarding one of the

indications being harmed?.Since money indications were strong otherwise,family

matters suffered.This does not mean Guru is a malefic or a harmer,rather one

may storm their brains and understand what is the nature of Guru and how he

behaves.Various posts so far from learned members holds the reason for

sthanabhrashta.Guru is the greatest benefic,but benefit for what/whom is to

observed from case to case.ThanksPradeepvedic astrology,

"reema_sriganesh" <reema_sriganesh> wrote:> Namaste Chandrashekharji,> >

Sure. Below are the details of the charts I was referring to in my > original

email.> > 1) My mother> > 03/18/1946> Time: 11:58:40 AM (5:30 East of

GMT)> Place: 75E06, 23N18> > All her three children (2 sons, 1 daughter) love

and

respect her the > most in life.> > 2) Julia Roberts> > 10/28/1967> Time:

0:16 AM (5:00 West of GMT)> Place: 84W23, 33N44> > She is a rich hollywood

actress. I am not sure about her family > background, although, I believe she's

had multiple marriages.> > 3) Dhirubhai Ambani> > 12/28/1932> Time:

7:35:20 (5:30 East of GMT)> Place: 70E26, 20N53> > He was a very successful

industrialist. Worked very hard all his life > and had a good social standing.>

> 4) Donald Trump> > 6/14/1946> Time: 9:51:00 (5:00 West of GMT)> Place:

73W52, 40N43> > A new york billionaire; I believe he has good relations with

his > family (except probably ex-wives, who made a lot of money from him as >

part of their divorce settlements)> > 5) John Kerry>

> 12/11/1943> Time: 7:12:00 (7:00 West of GMT)> Place: 104W59, 39N44> >

Democratic presidential nominee. Has had a very successful career > throughout

in politics and a good social standing.> > 6) Ralph Nader> > 02/27/1934>

Time: 4:52:00 (5:00 West of GMT)> Place: 73W4, 41N55> > Is a presidential

candidate for the fourth time. Throughout his life > he has been a successful

activist/lawyer against corporations that > pollute environment/create hazards.

Btw, I made a mistake with this > chart. When I opened the chart while drafting

my original mail, I did > not realize that I had Raman ayanamsa set in JHL,

wherein vakri Guru > is in 10th in tula. Now that I have changed the ayanamsa

back to > Lahiri, Guru is in 9th house in kanya. Regardless, the significations

> of 9th house do not seem to have been harmed.

Although he is a very > private person, he publicly credits his father for

"sparking his > interest in public affairs". His parents immigrated from

Lebanon to > the US, and usually, immigrant kids from the east tend to respect

> their hard working parents. But again, I do not want us to assume his >

relationship with father (good or bad), without further details.> > 7) Sachin

Tendulkar> > 04/24/1973> Time: 16:27:55 (5:30 East of GMT)> Place: 72E50,

18N58> > A very famous sportsman (cricket) with two adoring kids (son and a >

daughter).> > Chandrashekharji, I hope I provided you with all the requisite >

details. Please let me know if you need any further information on > the life

of the above natives.> > May Sri Vishnu bless us all.> Reema.> > --- In

vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

<boxdel> > wrote:> > Dear Reema,> > Would you kindly post the charts you

refer to with brief life > sketch of > > each of the Jataka? Is none of the

indications of the Bhava Guru > > occupies damaged? This information would

certainly help look at the > > dictum in right perspective.> > Chandrashekhar.>

> > > > > reema_sriganesh wrote:> > > > > Namaste everyone,> > >> > > I have a

chart where vakri Guru (alone) in 5th in tula have given > the> > > native two

good sons. I also have a chart where Guru (conjoined > with> > > chandra and

shukra) is in 2nd house in simha, and the native is a> > > multi-millionaire. I

have a third chart where Guru is in kanya> > > (alone) in 10th and the native

was a big industrialist. I have a> >

> fourth chart where vakri Guru is in kanya (alone) in 2nd house and> > > the

native is a billionaire. I have a fifth chart where Guru is in> > > simha

(alone) in 10th house and the native presently stands a good> > > chance of

occupying the highest office in United States. I have a> > > sixth chart where

Guru is in tula (alone) in 10th house and the> > > native has been a US

presidential candidate for 4 times. I have a> > > seventh chart where Guru is

conjoined Mangal in Makara in 5th > house> > > and the native is a father of

two children (son and daughter).> > >> > > I am sure that if all of us were to

go through the charts in our> > > collection, we would find so many of them

where Guru's occupation > of> > > a bhava could not have made the native as

successful in the> > >

respective areas of life, if we were to go by the theory of Guru> > > spoiling

the occupied bhava.> > >> > > Therefore, without taking sides, I would like to

urge further> > > research on this theory of Guru hurting the house he

occupies, > before> > > coming to any conclusions.> > >> > > May Sri Vishnu

bless us all,> > > Reema.> > >> > > vedic astrology,

lakshmi ramesh> > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:> > > >> > > > Om Gurave

Namah> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Namaste Chandrasekharji,> > > >> > > > > > >

>> > > > Could you please tell me from which purana the quoted lines were> > >

taken?> > > >> >

> > > > > >> > > > I have not read chamatkar chintamani, so I can not really >

comment> > > on it. But with all due respects to the author, Parasara often >

thinks> > > differently. Frankly, my adherence to Parasara and my admiration >

for> > > the great master, who thought of a million profound ways to> > >

elevate /promote Jyotish as a spiritual science rather than as a> > >

chamatkar, is infinitely higher.> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Coming to

Bhagavan Sri Rama's chart, we know that the powerful> > > sarpa yoga, aspect of

Saturn and Mars (in marana karana sthana) on> > > lagna are as responsible, if

not more, for his troubled times as > the> > > exalted 6th&9th lord jupiter in

lagna and exalted venus (4th

& > 11th> > > lord in 9th). Now, if we want to ignore all this information, and>

> > want only to selectively assess the chart by focusing on Jupiter > in> > >

lagna, I think we are not being true either to the Veda vidya or > to> > >

ourselves. I think, here something greater than ourselves, our > petty> > >

discussions and fragile egos is at stake. The Truth is revealed > to us> > >

through 12 houses and 9 planets. Instead, if we want to look at > only> > > one

house and only one planet, I think we are doing our best not > to> > > elicit

the truth, but to eclipse it. Please tell me, Sir, > honestly> > > do you,

with your formidable intellectual stature, limit yourself> > > thus and not

adopt an integrated approach for evaluating a chart?> >

> >> > > > > > > >> > > > As far as Duryodhana's chart is concerned, My

tentative feeling > is> > > that he had Jupiter debilitated in 10th for aries

lagna, with > Mars in> > > lagna, Rahu in Taurus, Venus & Mercury in gemini,

sun in > cancer, > > > Ketu in scorpio, moon in Satabhisham (aquarius) along

with saturn.> > > How is it? If any one has more information, it would be fun

to> > > discuss it.> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > I have not thought about other

charts. But if someone else had, > I> > > would like to see them.> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > >> > > > Lakshmi> > > >> > > > > >

> >> > > >> > > > Sarajit Poddar <sarajit@s...> wrote:|| Jaya Jagannath ||> > >

> Dear Chandrashekhar,> > > > > > > > Thank you for the comment from the

puranas.> > > > " Lord Rama had to undergo vanvaas on account of Guru in

Lagna,> > > Guru in third sent Bali to Patala. Guru in fourth tested Satwa of >

> > King Harishchandra, Guru in sixth made Draupadi face Cheerharana.> > > Guru

in eighth destroyed (Nasha) Ravana, Tenth house Guru killed> > > Duryodhana and

12th house Guru sent Pandu to forest." It further > says> > > that Bhishma was

deprived of Kingdom on account of Guru in 2nd, > King> > > Dasharath had to

loose his Son Rama (Putrashoka) on account of > Guru> > > in 5th. Aja Raja had

to suffer separation from his wife on >

account of> > > Guru in Seventh. Vishwamitra had to consume non eatables >

(Abhakshya)> > > on account of his Guru in 9th."> > > >> > > > Regards> > > >

Sarajit> > > > -> > > > Chandrashekhar> > > >

PNRazdan> > > > Cc: Prafulla Gang ; vedic astrology> > > >

Wednesday, September 22, 2004 5:00 AM> > > > Re:

[vedic astrology] Re: 2nd house Jup in various > roles--> > > to Chandraji> > >

>> > > >> > > > Dear Razdan,> > > >> > > > Read BPHS again, Sage Parashara

states opinion of Narada in > Ghatika> > > Lagna shloka, refers to opinions of

the learned (not Brahma) in> > > shloka 15 Ch.11, shloka 15 Ch.12. First

shloka of Bhava Pada > Adhyaya> > > again mentions that he is telling the

special effects of Pada as > told> > > by other Sages (again not Brahma). He he

also mentions opinion of> > > others in first shloka of Karaka Adhyaya. The

great Sage has in> > > almost all Adhyayas given credit to other learneds in

one or > other of> > > the shlokas, besides what Maitreya himself said to Sage

Parashara > in> > > the beginning of Ashtakavarga Adhyaya. In Shloka 1 of that

> Adhyaya> > > Maitreya clearly says that Parashara has given opinions of many>

> > Rishis and Acharyas. So saying that Parashara only told what had > been> >

> revealed to him by Lord Brahma would be showing disrespect to the> > > Great

sage who had the magnanimity to give credit to other Rishis > and> >

> Acharyas.> > > >> > > > Since you are questioning veracity and authority of

the shlokas> > > that I quoted, I would like to give you the Texts in which

the> > > shlokas appear. If you read Tatvapradeepjataka and Chamatkaar> > >

Chintamani you will find them. The first text has the shlokas and > the> > >

later again mentions same shlokas. If you read Chamatkar > Chintamani> > >

further you will find Jupiter giving harm to at least one > indication> > > of

each of the houses/bhavas he occupies. It also mentions a > shloka> > > from

Purana which says:> > > >> > > > " Lord Rama had to undergo vanvaas on account

of Guru in Lagna,> > > Guru in third sent Bali to Patala. Guru in fourth tested

Satwa of > > > King Harishchandra, Guru in sixth made

Draupadi face Cheerharana.> > > Guru in eighth destroyed (Nasha) Ravana, Tenth

house Guru killed> > > Duryodhana and 12th house Guru sent Pandu to forest." It

further > says> > > that Bhishma was deprived of Kingdom on account of Guru in

2nd, > King> > > Dasharath had to loose his Son Rama (Putrashoka) on account of

> Guru> > > in 5th. Aja Raja had to suffer separation from his wife on > account

of> > > Guru in Seventh. Vishwamitra had to consume non eatables > (Abhakshya)>

> > on account of his Guru in 9th."> > > >> > > > I would not like to respond

to your other comments but would > like> > > to mention here that the group is

formed with an intention of> > > learning and discussing principles of

astrology. I do not > > > > to your assumption of

astrology being a rigid science not open to> > > interpretation. Some of your

comments are uncalled for.> > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > >> > > > PNRazdan

wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Chandarshekhar,There is nothing amusing in my

reasoning.> > > Parashara is quoting noordinary Muni but Lord Brahma himself

which> > > gave us the BPHS.SimilarlyPrithuysas is quoting his father the >

great> > > Vrahmihir which gave us theHorasastra. Equating your shaloka >

quoting> > > a nameless sage (not sages asI said earlier, but only one sage-I >

was> > > incorrect because the noun andverb is singular) would be like >

showing> > > candle to the Sun.I dont think this discussion is going to serve >

any> > > purpose. You are notprepared to reveal the origin of the shalok

> you> > > are so much dependingupon. By now it seems it is something >

casually> > > said to which I attachedmore than necessary importance. You seem

> to> > > have attained the role ofsome sort of a master in this group >

wanting> > > your disciples to hunt forthemselves what you hint at. But I dont>

> > think this is an Ashram. Thisis a forum of discussion where an> > > academic

discussion takes placeopenly without reservations. Or> > > possibly there may be

other reasons foryou not to come out> > > > openly.The moral of this story

however is clear. Astrology is a> > > science. Ithas a method. Under this

method several books have all> > > along treatedJup as a benefic planet and all

interpretations are> > > based on thisprinciple with modifications depending on

its> >

> functionality, place,lordship, strength etc etc. If you now put > forth> > > a

crazy idea thatJupiter is a malefic or malefic like planet (> > > destroys the

house it isplaced in), it turns the science from a> > > method into a madness.

It willput doubts into the minds of all> > > astrologists while interpreting

itseffects, particularly on young> > > minds aspiring to learn jyotish.

AlreadyI see a discussion > started on> > > these lines on this group which in

myopinion is energy wasted on a> > > wrong notion. Everytime one sees Jup in

ahouse, a doubt will > arise as> > > to whether it is good or bad. Some

willassociate it with good they> > > had in that house and others with

whateverbad they had.So if you > are> > > determined to reap cheap publicity by

making > radical,unauthenticated>

> > and> > > > unconventional "advices", you may do so as this isa free forum.>

> > But the least I can say is that this would be thegreatest > disservice> > >

to the field of Vedic Astrology.My humble suggestion to learned> > > members

would be to accept any advice only after their own study > and> > > research

and use dependable commentatorslike Raman, Rao etc.for> > > clarifications. It

would be fair to treat anyadvice seriously > only if> > > it is backed up by

its source so as to makeindependent > verification> > > possible unless the

author says it to be hisown research/ > experience.> > > Chandarshekharji, so

let us decide to close this discussion as > friends> > > (not by coincidence

are we both having Jup as lagnesh).So far I> > > didnot discuss specifics with

you since

I was on a> > > headlinesdiscussion. Let me now respond to your last two >

queries.The> > > reference to Jup in theSecond house discussion of BPHS has to

be > read> > > in totality i.e all thethree shalokas 1,2 and 3 and not the 3rd

> only.> > > Let me give a gist ofeach hereFirst shaloka: Dhanesh in second,> >

> > quadrants, trines is dhanvridhikarak(wealth giving) in 6,8,12> > >

opposite.Second Shaloka: Benefics in 2nd house, conjunct or > aspected> > >

bybenefics- wealth giving. Malefics in 2nd house opposite effect.> > >

Nowhereis jupiter separated out as you claim to be.So long as it > is> > >

known as abenefic, it qualifies to be a wealth giver according to> > > this

shaloka.Third Shaloka: If 2nd lord is Jupiter and is also> > > posited in the

samehouse. And if Mars is

also placed with it, then> > > the subject becomeswealthy. Period.This does not

mean that if > Mars is> > > not there, Jupiter alone will harmthe house. This

is an > implication> > > which you are trying to make outprobably to make your

Muni's > dictum> > > hold good. Parashara never meansit. He means to say that

while a> > > swagrahi jupiter in second is enoughto make one rich but with

Mars> > > there it adds to ones wealth. Mark thesanskrit words "Vapi"> > >

meaning 'in addition".And then you are contradicting your own self> > > since

even without Mars,Jupiter would still be swagrahi which as > per> > > > your

shaloka is not bad.So why Mars becomes necessary to > support?> > > As regards

your second point, I am unfortunately not getting> > > theshaloka since I have

a

different edition. There is no chapter> > > onKakshya and I took it as

Karkanshya Phal Adhyay which has no> > > shalokwanting Jup to have support of

benefics to give good> > > results.Sorry for the long mail. RegardsPran

Razdan--- > Chandrashekhar> > > <boxdel> wrote: > > > >> > > > Dear

Razdan,I am amused at the reasoning put forward by you > that if> > > some

author quotes some other authority, he is not an authority on> > > the

subject.If that be so all those you treat as authorities,> > > including

Parashara, Varahamihira (By the way I have not heard of> > > Mantracharya)

would alsobe reduced to the status of ignoramus. > All of> > > those who are

treated as authorities have given opinions of > others by> > > either referring

totheir names or saying precisely what the

shloka> > > says that is "so sayMunis". So rest assured none of the Acharyas >

and> > > Pravartakas will tremble at what I have stated. The reason I am > not>

> > giving the name of theauthority is I want people to read various> > > texts

and find out for themselves. There are numerous texts and it> > > takes time to

remember the name of author of each and every shloka> > > one quotes is the

other reason.If you do not want to read> > > commentaries, your choice of

astrological texts would be reduced > to> > > almost one or two as every author

of note, states at the beginning> > > > of his text that he is only telling

whatothers have told before> > > him in a more concise form, including Varaha

Mihira.Maitreya also> > > asks Parashara that as he has till now told

principlesof > astrology on> > > the basis of what others have told he should

give a relatively > easy> > > method so that transit of planets could be used

for prediction by> > > those slow of grasp in the chapter on Ashtakavarga

inBPHS.Could > you> > > explain the reason of shloka3 Chapter 13 of BPHS? What

isthe > reason> > > for Parashara to qualify Jupiter's being Lord of the 2nd

when > placed> > > in 2nd or needing to be with Mars there to make one wealthy,

> implying> > > that Jupiter in other cases by its mere presence in 2ndwould not

> be> > > capable of conferring wealth on one. I hope you do not> > >

disputeknowledge of Parashara himself or think he is quoting> > >

withoutauthority. While at BPHS you may also like to reason out > why> > >

CH.43 shloka 48tells

that for Jupiter to give Kakshya Vridhi it > has> > > to be aspected by a

benefic when in Lagna or 7th house. Think why> > > > Jupiter by himself

doesnot give Kakshya Vriddhi in> > > longevity.Chandrashekhar.PNRazdan wrote:

> > > >> > > > Dear Chandarshekhar,As already informed I have already read the>

> > shalok quoted by you insupport of your contention. jIv> SvSwanhNta> > >

vdit muinvra +iòrSy àzSta,saEir SvSwanpal> prmÉykir +iòrSy > ànòa.But> > >

please understand, this shaloka by itself does not establish> > > thethesis you

are trying to put forward. It has to be backed up by> > > theauthor, his

standing in the astrological field, the time when > it> > > wassaid and the

context in which it was said. Literally > translated,> > > theShalok

means "Guru destroys the house it is placed in and> > > dignifies > > > >> >

> > the > > > >> > > > house it aspects, so say the sages. Saturn protects the

house it> > > is > > > >> > > > in > > > >> > > > while its dangerous

aspect destroys it". Mark the > words "vdit > > > >> > > > muinvra" > > >

>> > > > i.e.so say the sages. This means that this shaloka too is> > >

somebodyelse's quote and not that of its author. Who is the > author of> > >

thisblatant theory after all?Chandarshekharji, you are making an> > > important

and revolutionarystatement which if followed shall > change> >

> the entire structure of > > > >> > > > Vedic > > > >> > > > Astrology.

(I am sure Parasara, Varamihir, Mantracharya all> > > must > > > >> > > >

have > > > >> > > > stumbled in swargloka after hearing this shaloka). You

have > > > >> > > > therefore > > > >> > > > to back it up equally

strongly. Sanskrit shalokas can be written> > > byanybody, even a primary class

student studying sanskrit. It does> > > notmean we should accept any shalok

blindly simply because it > is > > > >> > > > written > > > >> > > > in

sanskrit.At one

stage you said this is a shaloka and we need > not> > > go into itsreasoning. OK

but tell us the name of the author who > is so> > > respected > > > >> > > >

in > > > >> > > > this field that we donot question his authority. In your

other > mail> > > you have advised me to read commentaries of Pt.Gopeshkumar

Oza and> > > Pt. Kedardatt Joshi. Why should I read > > > >> > > >

commentaries > > > >> > > > and not the original shalokas if I know sanskrit

very well. So, > as> > > a learned Guru please favour all of us with the >

backgroundinformation> > > on the shaloka complete with your masterly reasoning

whyyou are so> > > convinced of its

truth and applicability in the lives ofhuman> > > beings.I shall not go into the

discussion of individual charts as > it> > > is > > > >> > > > common > >

> >> > > > knowledge that results depend on many factors. If you are > now

> > > >> > > > holding > > > >> > > > Jup responsible for any bad thing that

happened in the lives> > > of > > > >> > > > these > > > >> > > > people,

then the debate would be endless. Besides Lakshmi has> > > verynicely handled

this issue and replied the post point by> > > point.Pran Razdan---

Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > >

> >> > > > Dear Razdan,I have already given the relevant shloka and others> > >

have given > > > >> > > > other > > > >> > > > shlokas too. I have

already advised you to go through the> > > archivesbut it appears you have not

done so. Have you found shloka> > > aboutJupiter's position in certain Rasis

giving problems in > progeny> > > at least?You have mentioned many

personalities, how much do you > know> > > abouttheir personal lives to say

that Jupiter has not harmed the> > > house that occupies? Does A.B. Vajpayee

has his own family? Check > up.> > > Also > > > >> > > > check > > > >>

> > > up what lata

Mangeshkar did to her sister to understand what > Guru> > > inLagna can do.I

have not made any sweeping statement. If you read> > > the list, manyhave

agreed to what I have said from their own> > > experience. I have alsosaid that

one has to apply the dictum in> > > proper perspective to get > > > >> > >

> correct > > > >> > > > results. For this one has to know all the dictums,

like all> > > planetsgive good results in own house and all planets are capable

> of> > > giving > > > >> > > > good > > > >> > > > results in 11th

house. I think I have written umpteen times that> > > no > > >

>> > > > principle can be applied on standalone basis but has to be> > >

appliedafter taking into consideration all variables.The case> > > mentioned by

dear Lakshmi have Jupiter in own house orSaturn who> > > protects the house is

also conjunct Jupiter, if I remember > > > >> > > > right. > > > >> > >

> The dictum being Sthana Bhrashta karoti JeevaH , sthana> > > rakshatimandaH,

the results that are stated to be obtained are in> > > keeping with

thedictum.Chandrashekhar.PNRazdan wrote: > > > >> > > > Dear

Chandrashekhar, I have been reading your posts on this > subject> > > all along

but > > > >> >

> > failed > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > to > > > >> >

> > get your source of conviction.We all agree that Jup too has its> > >

unfavourable positions and > > > >> > > > traits. > > >

>> > > > We know it is a stronger Maraka, we also know that it is> > > a

> > > >> > > > functional > > > >> > > > malefic in Taurus,

Libra,

Capri etc laganas. We also know that> > > it > > > >> > > > gets

> > > >> > > > KP dosh in quadrant lordship, although KPdosh means only

holding> > > beneficial/malefic qualities, nothing more, but we extend> > >

the > > > >> > > > argument > > > >> > > > further by

making them good or bad. These are well> > > established > > > >>

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Namaste Pradeep,

 

Thanks for your information. There is no doubt that Jupiter as 6th lord

(moolatrikona) does damage Julia's 2nd house (that's his job in the chart), but

if the 2nd lord sun and moon were stronger and Venus dignified, the scenario

would have been different.

 

Sri Tattwam-Asi was talking about the dual nature of Jupiter. If we look

deeper we know it to be true of all planets. Infact there are lot of

differences between the same Jupiter of cancer, Sagittarius, Pisces and

Capricorn ! Why only these four, nature will change according to the tattwa of

Rasi, functionality of house etc etc. So is the case with all the other planets

too.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep > wrote:

Dear Lakshmi Ji NamasteYes the houses which you have mentioned do need to be

considered.But taking into consideration of sthala, Kaala & Saaahacharya ,in a

western society, relationships are more or less like family matters. Thus they

can very well fall under second house matters,too. Anyways she had multiple

marriages, even if we want to ignore affairs. Looking at her 4th house, one

could imagine about her mana sukha. Especially as Sun is there and more so due

to his debilitation.I am not ruling out the role sun has played here.But there

is a parivartana between 2nd & 4th lords as well. Jupiter is not very specific

about all the concerned matters, related to his house of residence. Jupiter in

my opinion is a planet behaving in a very broad manner - broad advises, broad

knowledge, broad outlook, benevolent,

magnanimous etc. If you observe people with high jupiterian influence ,you may

find this.While Venus is the reverse,he is very particular about the finer

aspects ,whether it is arts,love,or anyother.Thus Jupiter tends to over look

certain aspects,which he considers as insignificant, thereby leading to

Bhrashta(as learned members have pointed out).RegdsPradeep--- In

vedic astrology, lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:>

Om Gurave Namah> > Namaste Pradeep,> > When you are talking about affairs,

don't you look at 7th house also? And the 3rd since 3, 7 and 11 constitute the

kaama trikona? Why it can't be the influence of weak 11 th lord Venus placed

in 2nd house (it is also the house of attraction) indicative of such behaviour

and Jupiter as the expansive planet & the lord of shadripu (6th house) could

have encouraged

"vriddhi" !! And, since Venus is also the 4th lord & moon is also involved (the

two planets connected with the 2nd house in natural zodiac), her family

suffered.> > By the way, where is her Sun?> > Regards,> Lakshmi> > >

vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:> Dear Ms.Reema> > One thing

that needs to be observed at first glance ,from Julias > chart is the planets

in 2nd house. The simplest way to get a general > overview of a chart w.r to

finance,is to look for a link between > lakshmisthanas & inflow ,outflow

houses.When lagna is involved the > effects are pronounced.(1,5,9,11,2).> In

her case 11th lord Venus,9th lord Jupiter, and lagna lord moon are> placed in

2nd.Mars the fifth lord is in the house of 9th lord> (jupiter) and aspected by

him.A connection between all money > houses.Thus

this simple technique, outlines the presence of an > inherent big promise.(the

strength of these have to be reconfirmed > with amsha

positions,shadbala,karakas,ashtakavarga of inflow and > balance houses etc).> >

Now coming to family and affairs - She had relationships(publicly >

known)atleast with dozen men,and married multiple times.Do we need a > better

proof regarding one of the indications being harmed?.Since > money indications

were strong otherwise,family matters suffered.> > This does not mean Guru is a

malefic or a harmer,rather one may > storm their brains and understand what is

the nature of Guru and how > he behaves.Various posts so far from learned

members holds the > reason for sthanabhrashta.Guru is the greatest benefic,but

benefit > for what/whom is to observed from case to case.> > Thanks> Pradeep> >

> > --- In

vedic astrology, "reema_sriganesh" > <reema_sriganesh>

wrote:> > Namaste Chandrashekharji,> > > > Sure. Below are the details of the

charts I was referring to in my > > original email.> > > > 1) My mother> > > >

03/18/1946> > Time: 11:58:40 AM (5:30 East of GMT)> > Place: 75E06,

23N18> > > > All her three children (2 sons, 1 daughter) love and respect her >

the > > most in life.> > > > 2) Julia Roberts> > > > 10/28/1967> > Time:

0:16 AM (5:00 West of GMT)> > Place: 84W23, 33N44> > > > She is a rich

hollywood actress. I am not sure about her family > > background, although, I

believe she's had multiple marriages.> > > > 3) Dhirubhai Ambani> > > > Date:

12/28/1932> > Time: 7:35:20 (5:30 East of GMT)> > Place: 70E26, 20N53> > > > He

was a very successful industrialist. Worked very hard all his > life > > and

had a good social standing.> > > > 4) Donald Trump> > > > 6/14/1946> >

Time: 9:51:00 (5:00 West of GMT)> > Place: 73W52, 40N43> > > > A new york

billionaire; I believe he has good relations with his > > family (except

probably ex-wives, who made a lot of money from him > as > > part of their

divorce settlements)> > > > 5) John Kerry> > > > 12/11/1943> > Time:

7:12:00 (7:00 West of GMT)> > Place: 104W59, 39N44> > > > Democratic

presidential nominee. Has had a very successful career > > throughout in

politics and a good social standing.> > >

> 6) Ralph Nader> > > > 02/27/1934> > Time: 4:52:00 (5:00 West of GMT)> >

Place: 73W4, 41N55> > > > Is a presidential candidate for the fourth time.

Throughout his > life > > he has been a successful activist/lawyer against

corporations that > > pollute environment/create hazards. Btw, I made a mistake

with > this > > chart. When I opened the chart while drafting my original mail,

I > did > > not realize that I had Raman ayanamsa set in JHL, wherein vakri >

Guru > > is in 10th in tula. Now that I have changed the ayanamsa back to > >

Lahiri, Guru is in 9th house in kanya. Regardless, the > significations > > of

9th house do not seem to have been harmed. Although he is a > very > > private

person, he publicly credits his father for "sparking his > > interest in public

affairs".

His parents immigrated from Lebanon > to > > the US, and usually, immigrant kids

from the east tend to respect > > their hard working parents. But again, I do

not want us to assume > his > > relationship with father (good or bad), without

further details.> > > > 7) Sachin Tendulkar> > > > 04/24/1973> > Time:

16:27:55 (5:30 East of GMT)> > Place: 72E50, 18N58> > > > A very famous

sportsman (cricket) with two adoring kids (son and a > > daughter).> > > >

Chandrashekharji, I hope I provided you with all the requisite > > details.

Please let me know if you need any further information on > > the life of the

above natives.> > > > May Sri Vishnu bless us all.> > Reema.> > > > --- In

vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar >

<boxdel> > > wrote:> > > Dear Reema,> > > Would you kindly post the charts

you refer to with brief life > > sketch of > > > each of the Jataka? Is none of

the indications of the Bhava Guru > > > occupies damaged? This information would

certainly help look at > the > > > dictum in right perspective.> > >

Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > reema_sriganesh wrote:> > > > > > > Namaste

everyone,> > > >> > > > I have a chart where vakri Guru (alone) in 5th in tula

have > given > > the> > > > native two good sons. I also have a chart where

Guru > (conjoined > > with> > > > chandra and shukra) is in 2nd house in simha,

and the native > is a> > > > multi-millionaire. I have a third

chart where Guru is in kanya> > > > (alone) in 10th and the native was a big

industrialist. I have > a> > > > fourth chart where vakri Guru is in kanya

(alone) in 2nd house > and> > > > the native is a billionaire. I have a fifth

chart where Guru > is in> > > > simha (alone) in 10th house and the native

presently stands a > good> > > > chance of occupying the highest office in

United States. I > have a> > > > sixth chart where Guru is in tula (alone) in

10th house and the> > > > native has been a US presidential candidate for 4

times. I > have a> > > > seventh chart where Guru is conjoined Mangal in Makara

in 5th > > house> > > > and the native is a father of two children (son and

daughter).> > > >> > > > I am sure that if all of

us were to go through the charts in > our> > > > collection, we would find so

many of them where Guru's > occupation > > of> > > > a bhava could not have

made the native as successful in the> > > > respective areas of life, if we

were to go by the theory of > Guru> > > > spoiling the occupied bhava.> > > >>

> > > Therefore, without taking sides, I would like to urge further> > > >

research on this theory of Guru hurting the house he occupies, > > before> > >

> coming to any conclusions.> > > >> > > > May Sri Vishnu bless us all,> > > >

Reema.> > > >> > > > vedic astrology, lakshmi ramesh> >

> > <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Om Gurave

Namah> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Namaste Chandrasekharji,> > > > >> >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > Could you please tell me from which purana the quoted

lines > were> > > > taken?> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > I have not read

chamatkar chintamani, so I can not really > > comment> > > > on it. But with

all due respects to the author, Parasara often > > thinks> > > > differently.

Frankly, my adherence to Parasara and my > admiration > > for> > > > the great

master, who thought of a million profound ways to> > > > elevate /promote

Jyotish as a spiritual science rather than as > a> > > >

chamatkar, is infinitely higher.> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Coming to

Bhagavan Sri Rama's chart, we know that the > powerful> > > > sarpa yoga,

aspect of Saturn and Mars (in marana karana > sthana) on> > > > lagna are as

responsible, if not more, for his troubled times > as > > the> > > > exalted

6th&9th lord jupiter in lagna and exalted venus (4th > & > > 11th> > > > lord

in 9th). Now, if we want to ignore all this information, > and> > > > want only

to selectively assess the chart by focusing on > Jupiter > > in> > > > lagna, I

think we are not being true either to the Veda vidya > or > > to> > > >

ourselves. I think, here something greater than ourselves, our

> > petty> > > > discussions and fragile egos is at stake. The Truth is >

revealed > > to us> > > > through 12 houses and 9 planets. Instead, if we want

to look > at > > only> > > > one house and only one planet, I think we are

doing our best > not > > to> > > > elicit the truth, but to eclipse it. Please

tell me, Sir, > > honestly> > > > do you, with your formidable intellectual

stature, limit > yourself> > > > thus and not adopt an integrated approach for

evaluating a > chart?> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > As far as

Duryodhana's chart is concerned, My tentative > feeling > > is> > > > that he

had Jupiter debilitated in 10th for aries lagna, with > > Mars in> >

> > lagna, Rahu in Taurus, Venus & Mercury in gemini, sun in > > cancer, > > >

> Ketu in scorpio, moon in Satabhisham (aquarius) along with > saturn.> > > >

How is it? If any one has more information, it would be fun to> > > > discuss

it.> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > I have not thought about other charts.

But if someone else > had, > > I> > > > would like to see them.> > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > >> > > > > Lakshmi> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > >> > > > > Sarajit Poddar <sarajit@s...> wrote:|| Jaya Jagannath ||>

> > > >

Dear Chandrashekhar,> > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the comment from the

puranas.> > > > > " Lord Rama had to undergo vanvaas on account of Guru in >

Lagna,> > > > Guru in third sent Bali to Patala. Guru in fourth tested Satwa >

of > > > > King Harishchandra, Guru in sixth made Draupadi face > Cheerharana.>

> > > Guru in eighth destroyed (Nasha) Ravana, Tenth house Guru > killed> > > >

Duryodhana and 12th house Guru sent Pandu to forest." It > further > > says> >

> > that Bhishma was deprived of Kingdom on account of Guru in > 2nd, > > King>

> > > Dasharath had to loose his Son Rama (Putrashoka) on account of > > Guru> >

> > in 5th. Aja Raja had to suffer separation from his wife on > > account of> >

> >

Guru in Seventh. Vishwamitra had to consume non eatables > > (Abhakshya)> > > >

on account of his Guru in 9th."> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > > Sarajit> > >

> > -> > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > To:

PNRazdan> > > > > Cc: Prafulla Gang ; vedic astrology> > > > >

Wednesday, September 22, 2004 5:00 AM> > > > > Re:

[vedic astrology] Re: 2nd house Jup in various > > roles--> > > > to Chandraji>

> > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Razdan,> > > > >> > > > > Read BPHS again, Sage

Parashara states opinion of Narada in > > Ghatika> > > > Lagna shloka, refers

to opinions of the learned

(not Brahma) in> > > > shloka 15 Ch.11, shloka 15 Ch.12. First shloka of Bhava

Pada > > Adhyaya> > > > again mentions that he is telling the special effects

of Pada > as > > told> > > > by other Sages (again not Brahma). He he also

mentions opinion > of> > > > others in first shloka of Karaka Adhyaya. The

great Sage has in> > > > almost all Adhyayas given credit to other learneds in

one or > > other of> > > > the shlokas, besides what Maitreya himself said to

Sage > Parashara > > in> > > > the beginning of Ashtakavarga Adhyaya. In

Shloka 1 of that > > Adhyaya> > > > Maitreya clearly says that Parashara has

given opinions of many> > > > Rishis and Acharyas. So saying that Parashara

only told what > had > > been>

> > > revealed to him by Lord Brahma would be showing disrespect to > the> > > >

Great sage who had the magnanimity to give credit to other > Rishis > > and> > >

> Acharyas.> > > > >> > > > > Since you are questioning veracity and authority

of the > shlokas> > > > that I quoted, I would like to give you the Texts in

which the> > > > shlokas appear. If you read Tatvapradeepjataka and Chamatkaar>

> > > Chintamani you will find them. The first text has the shlokas > and > >

the> > > > later again mentions same shlokas. If you read Chamatkar > >

Chintamani> > > > further you will find Jupiter giving harm to at least one > >

indication> > > > of each of the houses/bhavas he occupies. It also mentions a >

> shloka>

> > > from Purana which says:> > > > >> > > > > " Lord Rama had to undergo

vanvaas on account of Guru in > Lagna,> > > > Guru in third sent Bali to

Patala. Guru in fourth tested Satwa > of > > > > King Harishchandra, Guru in

sixth made Draupadi face > Cheerharana.> > > > Guru in eighth destroyed (Nasha)

Ravana, Tenth house Guru > killed> > > > Duryodhana and 12th house Guru sent

Pandu to forest." It > further > > says> > > > that Bhishma was deprived of

Kingdom on account of Guru in > 2nd, > > King> > > > Dasharath had to loose his

Son Rama (Putrashoka) on account of > > Guru> > > > in 5th. Aja Raja had to

suffer separation from his wife on > > account of> > > > Guru in Seventh.

Vishwamitra had to consume non

eatables > > (Abhakshya)> > > > on account of his Guru in 9th."> > > > >> > > >

> I would not like to respond to your other comments but would > > like> > > >

to mention here that the group is formed with an intention of> > > > learning

and discussing principles of astrology. I do not > > > > > > to your

assumption of astrology being a rigid science not open > to> > > >

interpretation. Some of your comments are uncalled for.> > > > >

Chandrashekhar.> > > > >> > > > > PNRazdan wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear

Chandarshekhar,There is nothing amusing in my reasoning.> > > > Parashara is

quoting noordinary Muni but Lord Brahma himself > which> > > > gave us the

BPHS.SimilarlyPrithuysas

is quoting his father the > > great> > > > Vrahmihir which gave us

theHorasastra. Equating your shaloka > > quoting> > > > a nameless sage (not

sages asI said earlier, but only one sage-> I > > was> > > > incorrect because

the noun andverb is singular) would be like > > showing> > > > candle to the

Sun.I dont think this discussion is going to > serve > > any> > > > purpose.

You are notprepared to reveal the origin of the > shalok > > you> > > > are so

much dependingupon. By now it seems it is something > > casually> > > > said to

which I attachedmore than necessary importance. You > seem > > to> > > > have

attained the role ofsome sort of a master in this group > > wanting> > > > your

disciples to hunt

forthemselves what you hint at. But I > dont> > > > think this is an Ashram.

Thisis a forum of discussion where an> > > > academic discussion takes

placeopenly without reservations. Or> > > > possibly there may be other reasons

foryou not to come out> > > > > openly.The moral of this story however is

clear. Astrology > is a> > > > science. Ithas a method. Under this method

several books have > all> > > > along treatedJup as a benefic planet and all

interpretations > are> > > > based on thisprinciple with modifications

depending on its> > > > functionality, place,lordship, strength etc etc. If

you now > put > > forth> > > > a crazy idea thatJupiter is a malefic or malefic

like planet (> > > > destroys the house it isplaced in), it turns the science

from a> > > > method into a madness. It willput doubts into the minds of all> >

> > astrologists while interpreting itseffects, particularly on > young> > > >

minds aspiring to learn jyotish. AlreadyI see a discussion > > started on> > >

> these lines on this group which in myopinion is energy wasted > on a> > > >

wrong notion. Everytime one sees Jup in ahouse, a doubt will > > arise as> > >

> to whether it is good or bad. Some willassociate it with good > they> > > >

had in that house and others with whateverbad they had.So if > you > > are> > >

> determined to reap cheap publicity by making > > radical,unauthenticated> > >

> and> > > > > unconventional "advices", you may do so as this isa free >

forum.> > > >

But the least I can say is that this would be thegreatest > > disservice> > > >

to the field of Vedic Astrology.My humble suggestion to learned> > > > members

would be to accept any advice only after their own > study > > and> > > >

research and use dependable commentatorslike Raman, Rao etc.for> > > >

clarifications. It would be fair to treat anyadvice seriously > > only if> > >

> it is backed up by its source so as to makeindependent > > verification> > >

> possible unless the author says it to be hisown research/ > > experience.> >

> > Chandarshekharji, so let us decide to close this discussion as > > friends>

> > > (not by coincidence are we both having Jup as lagnesh).So far I> > > >

didnot discuss specifics with you since I was on a> > >

> headlinesdiscussion. Let me now respond to your last two > > queries.The> > >

> reference to Jup in theSecond house discussion of BPHS has to > be > > read>

> > > in totality i.e all thethree shalokas 1,2 and 3 and not the > 3rd > >

only.> > > > Let me give a gist ofeach hereFirst shaloka: Dhanesh in second,> >

> > > quadrants, trines is dhanvridhikarak(wealth giving) in > 6,8,12> > > >

opposite.Second Shaloka: Benefics in 2nd house, conjunct or > > aspected> > > >

bybenefics- wealth giving. Malefics in 2nd house opposite > effect.> > > >

Nowhereis jupiter separated out as you claim to be.So long as > it > > is> > >

> known as abenefic, it qualifies to be a wealth giver according > to> > > >

this shaloka.Third Shaloka: If

2nd lord is Jupiter and is also> > > > posited in the samehouse. And if Mars is

also placed with it, > then> > > > the subject becomeswealthy. Period.This does

not mean that if > > Mars is> > > > not there, Jupiter alone will harmthe house.

This is an > > implication> > > > which you are trying to make outprobably to

make your Muni's > > dictum> > > > hold good. Parashara never meansit. He

means to say that > while a> > > > swagrahi jupiter in second is enoughto make

one rich but with > Mars> > > > there it adds to ones wealth. Mark thesanskrit

words "Vapi"> > > > meaning 'in addition".And then you are contradicting your

own > self> > > > since even without Mars,Jupiter would still be swagrahi which

> as > > per> > > >

> your shaloka is not bad.So why Mars becomes necessary to > > support?> > > >

As regards your second point, I am unfortunately not getting> > > > theshaloka

since I have a different edition. There is no > chapter> > > > onKakshya and I

took it as Karkanshya Phal Adhyay which has no> > > > shalokwanting Jup to have

support of benefics to give good> > > > results.Sorry for the long mail.

RegardsPran Razdan--- > > Chandrashekhar> > > > <boxdel> wrote: > > > > >>

> > > > Dear Razdan,I am amused at the reasoning put forward by you > > that if>

> > > some author quotes some other authority, he is not an > authority on> > >

> the subject.If that be so all those you treat as authorities,> > > >

including Parashara, Varahamihira (By the way

I have not heard > of> > > > Mantracharya) would alsobe reduced to the status of

ignoramus. > > All of> > > > those who are treated as authorities have given

opinions of > > others by> > > > either referring totheir names or saying

precisely what the > shloka> > > > says that is "so sayMunis". So rest assured

none of the > Acharyas > > and> > > > Pravartakas will tremble at what I have

stated. The reason I > am > > not> > > > giving the name of theauthority is I

want people to read > various> > > > texts and find out for themselves. There

are numerous texts > and it> > > > takes time to remember the name of author of

each and every > shloka> > > > one quotes is the other reason.If you do not want

to read> > > > commentaries, your

choice of astrological texts would be > reduced > > to> > > > almost one or two

as every author of note, states at the > beginning> > > > > of his text that

he is only telling whatothers have told > before> > > > him in a more concise

form, including Varaha Mihira.Maitreya > also> > > > asks Parashara that as he

has till now told principlesof > > astrology on> > > > the basis of what others

have told he should give a relatively > > easy> > > > method so that transit of

planets could be used for prediction > by> > > > those slow of grasp in the

chapter on Ashtakavarga > inBPHS.Could > > you> > > > explain the reason of

shloka3 Chapter 13 of BPHS? What isthe > > reason> > > > for Parashara to

qualify Jupiter's being Lord of the 2nd

when > > placed> > > > in 2nd or needing to be with Mars there to make one

wealthy, > > implying> > > > that Jupiter in other cases by its mere presence

in 2ndwould > not > > be> > > > capable of conferring wealth on one. I hope you

do not> > > > disputeknowledge of Parashara himself or think he is quoting> > >

> withoutauthority. While at BPHS you may also like to reason > out > > why> >

> > CH.43 shloka 48tells that for Jupiter to give Kakshya Vridhi > it > > has>

> > > to be aspected by a benefic when in Lagna or 7th house. Think > why> > >

> > Jupiter by himself doesnot give Kakshya Vriddhi in> > > >

longevity.Chandrashekhar.PNRazdan wrote: > > > > >> > > > > Dear

Chandarshekhar,As already

informed I have already read > the> > > > shalok quoted by you insupport of your

contention. jIv> > SvSwanhNta> > > > vdit muinvra +iòrSy àzSta,saEir SvSwanpal>

prmÉykir +iòrSy > > ànòa.But> > > > please understand, this shaloka by itself

does not establish> > > > thethesis you are trying to put forward. It has to be

backed > up by> > > > theauthor, his standing in the astrological field, the

time > when > > it> > > > wassaid and the context in which it was said.

Literally > > translated,> > > > theShalok means "Guru destroys the house it is

placed in and> > > > dignifies > > > > >> > > > > the > > > > >> > > > >

house it aspects, so say the sages. Saturn protects the >

house it> > > > is > > > > >> > > > > in > > > > >> > > > > while its

dangerous aspect destroys it". Mark the > > words "vdit > > > > >> > > > >

muinvra" > > > > >> > > > > i.e.so say the sages. This means that this

shaloka too is> > > > somebodyelse's quote and not that of its author. Who is

the > > author of> > > > thisblatant theory after all?Chandarshekharji, you are

making > an> > > > important and revolutionarystatement which if followed shall

> > change> > > > the entire structure of > > > > >> > > > > Vedic > > >

> >> > > > >

Astrology. (I am sure Parasara, Varamihir, Mantracharya all> > > > must > >

> > >> > > > > have > > > > >> > > > > stumbled in swargloka after hearing

this shaloka). You > have > > > > >> > > > > therefore > > > > >> > > > >

to back it up equally strongly. Sanskrit shalokas can be > written> > > >

byanybody, even a primary class student studying sanskrit. It > does> > > >

notmean we should accept any shalok blindly simply because it > > is > > >

> >> > > > > written > > > > >> > > > > in sanskrit.At one stage you said

this is a shaloka and we > need >

> not> > > > go into itsreasoning. OK but tell us the name of the author > who >

> is so> > > > respected > > > > >> > > > > in > > > > >> > > > > this

field that we donot question his authority. In your > other > > mail> > > > you

have advised me to read commentaries of Pt.Gopeshkumar Oza > and> > > > Pt.

Kedardatt Joshi. Why should I read > > > > >> > > > > commentaries > > >

> >> > > > > and not the original shalokas if I know sanskrit very well. > So,

> > as> > > > a learned Guru please favour all of us with the > >

backgroundinformation> > > > on the shaloka complete with your masterly

reasoning whyyou > are so> > > > convinced of its truth and applicability in the

lives ofhuman> > > > beings.I shall not go into the discussion of individual

charts > as > > it> > > > is > > > > >> > > > > common > > > > >> > > > >

knowledge that results depend on many factors. If you are > > now > > > > >>

> > > > holding > > > > >> > > > > Jup responsible for any bad thing that

happened in the lives> > > > of > > > > >> > > > > these > > > > >> > > >

> people, then the debate would be endless. Besides Lakshmi has> > > >

verynicely handled this issue and replied the post point by> > > > point.Pran

Razdan--- Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > Dear

Razdan,I have already given the relevant shloka and > others> > > > have given

> > > > >> > > > > other > > > > >> > > > > shlokas too. I have already

advised you to go through the> > > > archivesbut it appears you have not done

so. Have you found > shloka> > > > aboutJupiter's position in certain Rasis

giving problems in > > progeny> > > > at least?You have mentioned many

personalities, how much do > you > > know> > > > abouttheir personal lives to

say that Jupiter has not harmed >

the> > > > house that occupies? Does A.B. Vajpayee has his own family? > Check >

> up.> > > > Also > > > > >> > > > > check > > > > >> > > > > up what

lata Mangeshkar did to her sister to understand what > > Guru> > > > inLagna

can do.I have not made any sweeping statement. If you > read> > > > the list,

manyhave agreed to what I have said from their own> > > > experience. I have

alsosaid that one has to apply the dictum in> > > > proper perspective to get

> > > > >> > > > > correct > > > > >> > > > > results. For this one has to

know all the dictums, like all> > > > planetsgive good

results in own house and all planets are > capable > > of> > > > giving >

> > > >> > > > > good > > > > >> > > > > results in 11th house. I think I

have written umpteen times > that> > > > no > > > > >> > > > > principle

can be applied on standalone basis but has to be> > > > appliedafter taking

into consideration all variables.The case> > > > mentioned by dear Lakshmi have

Jupiter in own house orSaturn > who> > > > protects the house is also conjunct

Jupiter, if I > remember > > > > >> > > > > right. > > > > >> > > > >

The dictum being

Sthana Bhrashta karoti JeevaH , sthana> > > > rakshatimandaH, the results that

are stated to be obtained are > in> > > > keeping with

thedictum.Chandrashekhar.PNRazdan wrote: > > > > >> > > > > Dear

Chandrashekhar, I have been reading your posts on this > > subject> > > > all

along but > > > > >> > > > > failed > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > to > > > > >> > > > > get your source of

conviction.We all agree that Jup too has > its> > > >

unfavourable positions and > > > > >> > > > > traits. > >

> > >> > > > > We know it is a stronger Maraka, we also know that it is> > > >

a > > > > >> > > > > functional > > > > >> > > > >

malefic in Taurus, Libra, Capri etc laganas. We also know > that> > > > it

> > > > >> > > > > gets > > > > >> > > > > KP dosh in quadrant

lordship, although KPdosh means only > holding> > > > beneficial/malefic

qualities, nothing more, but we extend> > > > the > > > > >> > >

> > argument > > > > >> > > > > further by making them good or bad.

These are well> > > > established > > > > >> > > > > === message

truncated === > > > > _______________________________Do you

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