Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 Hello everyone, As I mentioned earlier I have Jupiter® in second house. If anyone want to analyze the chart here are my birth details. DOB: 05/16/1972 Time: 20.15 ( not sure about the time ) longitude: 80E37 latitude: 16N31 Regards, RK vedic astrology, PNRazdan <pnrazdan> wrote: > Dear Reema, > Like Lakshmi, you too have provided incontroversial evidence of > Jupiters benefic qualities. With more posts coming everyday of this > sort, it is becoming very difficult to accept the idea of jupiter being > destructive in his house. > Let the debate go on in an open manner. > Pran Razdan > > --- reema_sriganesh <reema_sriganesh> wrote: > > > Namaste everyone, > > > > I have a chart where vakri Guru (alone) in 5th in tula have given the > > > > native two good sons. I also have a chart where Guru (conjoined with > > chandra and shukra) is in 2nd house in simha, and the native is a > > multi-millionaire. I have a third chart where Guru is in kanya > > (alone) in 10th and the native was a big industrialist. I have a > > fourth chart where vakri Guru is in kanya (alone) in 2nd house and > > the native is a billionaire. I have a fifth chart where Guru is in > > simha (alone) in 10th house and the native presently stands a good > > chance of occupying the highest office in United States. I have a > > sixth chart where Guru is in tula (alone) in 10th house and the > > native has been a US presidential candidate for 4 times. I have a > > seventh chart where Guru is conjoined Mangal in Makara in 5th house > > and the native is a father of two children (son and daughter). > > > > I am sure that if all of us were to go through the charts in our > > collection, we would find so many of them where Guru's occupation of > > a bhava could not have made the native as successful in the > > respective areas of life, if we were to go by the theory of Guru > > spoiling the occupied bhava. > > > > Therefore, without taking sides, I would like to urge further > > research on this theory of Guru hurting the house he occupies, before > > > > coming to any conclusions. > > > > May Sri Vishnu bless us all, > > Reema. > > > > vedic astrology, lakshmi ramesh > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote: > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you please tell me from which purana the quoted lines were > > taken? > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not read chamatkar chintamani, so I can not really comment > > on it. But with all due respects to the author, Parasara often thinks > > > > differently. Frankly, my adherence to Parasara and my admiration for > > the great master, who thought of a million profound ways to > > elevate /promote Jyotish as a spiritual science rather than as a > > chamatkar, is infinitely higher. > > > > > > > > > > > > Coming to Bhagavan Sri Rama's chart, we know that the powerful > > sarpa yoga, aspect of Saturn and Mars (in marana karana sthana) on > > lagna are as responsible, if not more, for his troubled times as the > > exalted 6th&9th lord jupiter in lagna and exalted venus (4th & 11th > > lord in 9th). Now, if we want to ignore all this information, and > > want only to selectively assess the chart by focusing on Jupiter in > > lagna, I think we are not being true either to the Veda vidya or to > > ourselves. I think, here something greater than ourselves, our petty > > discussions and fragile egos is at stake. The Truth is revealed to us > > > > through 12 houses and 9 planets. Instead, if we want to look at only > > one house and only one planet, I think we are doing our best not to > > elicit the truth, but to eclipse it. Please tell me, Sir, honestly > > do you, with your formidable intellectual stature, limit yourself > > thus and not adopt an integrated approach for evaluating a chart? > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as Duryodhana's chart is concerned, My tentative feeling is > > that he had Jupiter debilitated in 10th for aries lagna, with Mars in > > > > lagna, Rahu in Taurus, Venus & Mercury in gemini, sun in cancer, > > Ketu in scorpio, moon in Satabhisham (aquarius) along with saturn. > > How is it? If any one has more information, it would be fun to > > discuss it. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not thought about other charts. But if someone else had, I > > would like to see them. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sarajit Poddar <sarajit@s...> wrote:|| Jaya Jagannath || > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > Thank you for the comment from the puranas. > > > " Lord Rama had to undergo vanvaas on account of Guru in Lagna, > > Guru in third sent Bali to Patala. Guru in fourth tested Satwa of > > King Harishchandra, Guru in sixth made Draupadi face Cheerharana. > > Guru in eighth destroyed (Nasha) Ravana, Tenth house Guru killed > > Duryodhana and 12th house Guru sent Pandu to forest." It further says > > > > that Bhishma was deprived of Kingdom on account of Guru in 2nd, King > > Dasharath had to loose his Son Rama (Putrashoka) on account of Guru > > in 5th. Aja Raja had to suffer separation from his wife on account of > > > > Guru in Seventh. Vishwamitra had to consume non eatables (Abhakshya) > > on account of his Guru in 9th." > > > > > > Regards > > > Sarajit > > > - > > > Chandrashekhar > > > PNRazdan > > > Cc: Prafulla Gang ; vedic astrology > > > Wednesday, September 22, 2004 5:00 AM > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: 2nd house Jup in various roles-- > > to Chandraji > > > > > > > > > Dear Razdan, > > > > > > Read BPHS again, Sage Parashara states opinion of Narada in Ghatika > > > > Lagna shloka, refers to opinions of the learned (not Brahma) in > > shloka 15 Ch.11, shloka 15 Ch.12. First shloka of Bhava Pada Adhyaya > > > > again mentions that he is telling the special effects of Pada as told > > > > by other Sages (again not Brahma). He he also mentions opinion of > > others in first shloka of Karaka Adhyaya. The great Sage has in > > almost all Adhyayas given credit to other learneds in one or other of > > > > the shlokas, besides what Maitreya himself said to Sage Parashara in > > the beginning of Ashtakavarga Adhyaya. In Shloka 1 of that Adhyaya > > Maitreya clearly says that Parashara has given opinions of many > > Rishis and Acharyas. So saying that Parashara only told what had been > > > > revealed to him by Lord Brahma would be showing disrespect to the > > Great sage who had the magnanimity to give credit to other Rishis and > > > > Acharyas. > > > > > > Since you are questioning veracity and authority of the shlokas > > that I quoted, I would like to give you the Texts in which the > > shlokas appear. If you read Tatvapradeepjataka and Chamatkaar > > Chintamani you will find them. The first text has the shlokas and the > > > > later again mentions same shlokas. If you read Chamatkar Chintamani > > further you will find Jupiter giving harm to at least one indication > > of each of the houses/bhavas he occupies. It also mentions a shloka > > from Purana which says: > > > > > > " Lord Rama had to undergo vanvaas on account of Guru in Lagna, > > Guru in third sent Bali to Patala. Guru in fourth tested Satwa of > > King Harishchandra, Guru in sixth made Draupadi face Cheerharana. > > Guru in eighth destroyed (Nasha) Ravana, Tenth house Guru killed > > Duryodhana and 12th house Guru sent Pandu to forest." It further says > > > > that Bhishma was deprived of Kingdom on account of Guru in 2nd, King > > Dasharath had to loose his Son Rama (Putrashoka) on account of Guru > > in 5th. Aja Raja had to suffer separation from his wife on account of > > > > Guru in Seventh. Vishwamitra had to consume non eatables (Abhakshya) > > on account of his Guru in 9th." > > > > > > I would not like to respond to your other comments but would like > > to mention here that the group is formed with an intention of > > learning and discussing principles of astrology. I do not > > to your assumption of astrology being a rigid science not open to > > interpretation. Some of your comments are uncalled for. > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > PNRazdan wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandarshekhar,There is nothing amusing in my reasoning. > > Parashara is quoting noordinary Muni but Lord Brahma himself which > > gave us the BPHS.SimilarlyPrithuysas is quoting his father the great > > Vrahmihir which gave us theHorasastra. Equating your shaloka quoting > > a nameless sage (not sages asI said earlier, but only one sage-I was > > incorrect because the noun andverb is singular) would be like showing > > > > candle to the Sun.I dont think this discussion is going to serve any > > purpose. You are notprepared to reveal the origin of the shalok you > > are so much dependingupon. By now it seems it is something casually > > said to which I attachedmore than necessary importance. You seem to > > have attained the role ofsome sort of a master in this group wanting > > your disciples to hunt forthemselves what you hint at. But I dont > > think this is an Ashram. Thisis a forum of discussion where an > > academic discussion takes placeopenly without reservations. Or > > possibly there may be other reasons foryou not to come out > > > openly.The moral of this story however is clear. Astrology is a > > science. Ithas a method. Under this method several books have all > > along treatedJup as a benefic planet and all interpretations are > > based on thisprinciple with modifications depending on its > > functionality, place,lordship, strength etc etc. If you now put forth > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > Mail is new and improved - Check it out! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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