What classics say on Libra and Scorpio (to Chandrashekhar ji and Visti)

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Namaste learned friends,

 

Visti wrote:

 

"As for sexual organs, Scorpio represents the private parts...this is not the

sexual organs but the anus, which is hidden and hence

private - when ones mind is on sex then even private parts become sexual

organs!"

 

Chandrashekhar ji wrote:

 

"Your statement which I have made in bold types is utterly uncalled forand

crosses the boundaries of decency.Desist from such comments infuture.They are

not in good taste.As to what is 8th house, I wish some body takes pains to read

BPHSChapter 4 and Shloka3 and 4 before attributing something to Parashara.Iwould

like to know what is your English translation of Sanskrit wordBasti and Guhya

that are said to be the body parts of Kalapurusharepresented by Tula and

Vrishchika rasi by the Venerated Sage.Perhaps I am not as good at English as

others, but I do not think thatPrivate parts does not refer to sexual

organs.Perhaps some gentlemanhaving good command over English language would

like to comment."

 

First some basic comments before I quote classics:

 

(1) First, some simple logic. Visti said "which is hidden and hence private"

regarding anus. It is not just "anus" that is to be hidden and to be kept

private, but even genitals are to be hidden and to be kept private. In fact, in

all primal as well as advanced civilizations, genitals are considered the most

private body parts.

 

(2) Chandrashekhar ji's indignation is quite understandable. He made a scholarly

point and did not deserve this kind of indecent comment. As the moderator of

this list, I warn Visti to maintain decency and desist from writings that may

be construed as slurs on others. He probably did not mean it as a slur, but the

comment is uncalled for.

 

Now, here are my views based on what classics say:

 

(1) When associating signs with the body parts of Kala Purusha, Parasara's BPHS

uses the words "basti" and "guhya" regarding Libra and Scorpio (respectively).

 

Basti or vasti means the lower abdomen or bladder or pelvis. It by no means

means the genitals (assuming Visti means genitals by sexual organs).

 

On the other hand, guhya means "those that should be hidden". Normally, this is

thought to mean genitals.

 

(2) The great Varahamihira in Brihajjatakam uses the words "vasti" and

"vyanjanam". Vasti is just another form of basti and means the same. However,

the word "vyanjanam" is less ambiguous than the word "guhya" used by Parasara.

It does not mean anus at all. Vyanjana means the sign of sex. It means the

signs that distinguish men and women. Vyanjana is used to refer to male and

female genitals (or sex organs). So Varahamihira is quite clear on Scorpio

standing for the genitals of Kala purusha.

 

(3) Kalyana Verma in Saravali uses the words "vasti" and "mehana" for Libra and

Scorpio respectively. Mehana means the organ of copulation as well as the organ

of urine. Again, it is quite clear.

 

(4) Mantreswara in Phala Deepika used the words "vasti" and "prajanana sthala".

Janana means birth or creation. Prajanana means procreation. Prajanana sthala

means the area of procreation. Again, the reference is clearly to sexual organs

or the genitals and not to anus.

 

After looking at all the references, here are my consolidating two cents:

 

Each sign stands for several body parts. Scorpio indeed stands for anus too, as

Visti said. But, Visti is not correct in insisting that Scorpio does not stand

for genitals. The classics are quite clear that Scorpio stands for genitals

[too].

 

Libra stands for kidneys and also some internal sexual organs that are in the

lower abdomen and in the pelvical triangle. These organs produce some crucial

materials needed for sexual activity. However, the external sex organs (i.e.

male/female genitals) are shown by Scorpio. Visti is not correct and

Chandrashekhar ji is correct.

 

As I have given references from four respected classics, I hope scholars will

find my views acceptable.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

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