which planet has inflicted death

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Dear visti.

As usual you always instigate and shows wonderful applications.You applied

Veranda lagna recently It was interesting.Now about death.Will u kindly oblige

how and why calculation of Mrityu sphute are different than what J hora

displays Anuradha in quoted case below whereas u have adopted for night birth

it to be sum of Rahu and Moon.

More over what setting you use to calculate Gulika

Hope u will kinly guide..

Thanking in advance.

Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:06:13 +0200 "Visti Larsen"

<visti (AT) (DOT) org>FW: which planet has inflicted death?????|Hare

Rama Krsna|Dear dkvrao,Using Vimshottari Dasa, always pay attention to Gulika or

the Mrityu Sphutawhen timing death. Gulika is in Anuradha Nakñatra which is

lorded by Saturn.Hence Saturn Dasa will act like Gulika Dasa and can be death

inflicting.As for Mrityu Sputa, the native is born during the night, so we add

thelongitudes of Rähu and Moon and arrive at Poorva Ashada Nakñatra lorded

byVenus - this did not give death in his case.Now if you look at the Ärüòha

Lagna in Capricorn and see the cause of death- Rähu in 3rd from AL (sudden

death, unnatural) and Saturn in 8th from AL(disease, sorrow, etc) are competing

to kill the native.Saturn won, and is placed in Leo indicating heart disease and

hence SaturnDasa. Saturn is lording Ärüòha Lagna and is placed in the 8th there

from,hence he performed an action which was risk-taking. Jupiter and Venus

inÄrüòha lagna sees Saturn, hence he and his family knew about the risk he

wastaking but he took it anyway.Best wishes,Visti Larsenvisti (AT) (DOT) org

rao vasudevadk [dkv_rao ] Sent:

25 June 2004 13:12vedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology]

which planet has inflicted death?????SRI RAMA RAMA

RAMAETI----------------------Dear List,I am giving birth/death details of a

well noted personin the Banking Circle both in the State of AndhraPradesh and

as well in India. The native was welleducated, a Bank employee, became a union

leader ofthe largest Bank, step by step grown to become stateleader and

represented national bank employees forover 4 years. He was a good orator,

some times wittyand some times aggressive, have a charisma ofattracting crowd,

collapsed on 20.06.2004 at around3.00 pm while delivering yet a forceful speech

among alarge gathering of Bank employees. The death wassudden. Brief details of

the native : An average height of56, not so dark complexion, father died at

smallage, mother still alive, have two children, one maleand one female, both

settled well, not earned muchexcept owning an apartment at Hyderabad, a

diabetic, afoot ball player.BirthDOB 22.12.1949 TOB 02.06 a.m Longitude 80E2

Latitude14N17 5.30 East of GMTDeath20.06.2004 at around 3.00 p.m For academic

knowledge, can any one analyse whichplanet has inflicted death to the above

native?Is it Yogakaraka Saturn, or Lagna Lord Venus(forhaving 8th lord-ship) or

Transit of Rahu in7th fromLagna having aspect of 2nd/7th lord Mars in

birthChart. Can Lagna Lord become a Maraka? Please clarifymy doubts.With

regardsdkvrao

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|Hare Räma Kåñëa|

Dear RC,

It’s

actually called Niryäëa Sputa – Sun+Saturn for day births and Moon+Rähu for

night births – Jätaka Parijata.

As for Gulika

– I have understood that the Gulika portion rises at the end of Saturns

portion. Now what is not included in Jagannath Hora, is the option to calculate

Mandi from the middle portion of the lord-less portion! i.e. 7 grahas and

Gulika hence makeup the 8 kalas. I would hope that this is included in the

future.

Best wishes,

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R.C.Srivastava [swami_rcs ]

25 June 2004 21:20

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color:#0033CC">Dear visti.

color:#0033CC">As usual you always instigate and shows wonderful

applications.You applied Veranda lagna recently It was interesting.Now about

death.Will u kindly oblige how and why calculation of Mrityu sphute are

different than what J hora displays Anuradha in quoted case below whereas

u have adopted for night birth it to be sum of Rahu and Moon.

color:#0033CC">More over what setting you use to calculate Gulika

color:#0033CC">Hope u will kinly guide..

color:#0033CC">Thanking in advance.

Fri, 25

Jun 2004 15:06:13 +0200

"Visti Larsen" <visti (AT) (DOT) org>

FW: which planet has inflicted death?????

|Hare Rama Krsna|

Dear dkvrao,

Using Vimshottari Dasa, always pay attention to Gulika or the Mrityu Sphuta

when timing death. Gulika is in Anuradha Nakñatra which is lorded by Saturn.

Hence Saturn Dasa will act like Gulika Dasa and can be death inflicting.

As for Mrityu Sputa, the native is born during the night, so we add the

longitudes of Rähu and Moon and arrive at Poorva Ashada Nakñatra lorded by

Venus - this did not give death in his case.

Now if you look at the Ärüòha Lagna in Capricorn and see the cause of death

- Rähu in 3rd from AL (sudden death, unnatural) and Saturn in 8th from AL

(disease, sorrow, etc) are competing to kill the native.

Saturn won, and is placed in Leo indicating heart disease and hence Saturn

Dasa. Saturn is lording Ärüòha Lagna and is placed in the 8th there from,

hence he performed an action which was risk-taking. Jupiter and Venus in

Ärüòha lagna sees Saturn, hence he and his family knew about the risk he was

taking but he took it anyway.

Best wishes,

Visti Larsen

visti (AT) (DOT) org

 

rao vasudevadk [dkv_rao ]

25 June 2004 13:12

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] which planet has inflicted death?????

SRI RAMA RAMA RAMAETI

----------------------

Dear List,

I am giving birth/death details of a well noted person

in the Banking Circle both in the State of Andhra

Pradesh and as well in India.

The native was well

educated, a Bank employee, became a union leader of

the largest Bank, step by step grown to become state

leader and represented national bank employees for

over 4 years. He was a good orator, some times witty

and some times aggressive, have a charisma of

attracting crowd, collapsed on 20.06.2004 at around

3.00 pm while delivering yet a forceful speech among a

large gathering of Bank employees. The death was

sudden.

Brief details of the native : An average height of

56, not so dark complexion, father died at small

age, mother still alive, have two children, one male

and one female, both settled well, not earned much

except owning an apartment at Hyderabad,

a diabetic, a

foot ball player.

Birth

DOB 22.12.1949 TOB 02.06 a.m Longitude 80E2 Latitude

14N17  5.30 East of GMT

Death

20.06.2004 at around 3.00 p.m

For academic knowledge, can any one analyse which

planet has inflicted death to the above native?

Is it Yogakaraka Saturn, or Lagna Lord Venus(for

having 8th lord-ship) or Transit of Rahu in7th from

Lagna having aspect of 2nd/7th lord Mars in birth

Chart. Can Lagna Lord become a Maraka? Please clarify

my doubts.

With regards

dkvrao

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Hare Rama Krishna

Namaste all,

 

A small note on the chart given: The 64th navamsa lord and 22nd drekkana lord

can play a crucial role in deciding death. For the 22nd drekkana, some people

use the normal Parasara drekkana which is, in Parasara's own words, to be used

for siblings. Jagannatha drekkana may be used for this purpose with better

accuracy. [Note: Visti has given a nice lecture on Jagannatha Drekkana at

Boston last year. If you haven't heard it yet, I suggest that you should buy

the MP3 CD and listen to that class. It was a wonderful lecture. I taught

Saptamsa and children, Sanjay ji taught Swapna sastra and Narayan taught

dasamsa at the same workshop.]

 

One may note that Saturn lords the 64th navamsa (Aquarius) as well as the 22nd

Jagannatha drekkana (Capricorn). No wonder Saturn dasa killed.

 

Moreover, you cannot ignore nakshatra drishti when judging nakshatra dasas.

Saturn in Poorva Phalguni has nakshatra drishti on Swati (5th nakshatra from

him). Saturn aspects 3rd, 5th, 15th and 19th constellations from him. From

Moon's star Uttarashadha, the 22nd star is Swati. Thus, Swati is Vainasika

nakshatra (the constellation of destruction).

 

Also, at the time of the event, dasa lord Saturn in Punarvasu had latta

(planetary kick) on Chitra, natal lagna nakshatra (please refer to Phala

Deepika or my book for details)! Of course, that was not all. His best friend

Rahu was having latta on natal Moon's nakshatra! So the two malefics involved

with 3rd and 7th from natal AL were having latta on janma lagna nakshatra and

janma chandra nakshatra!

 

Of course, there are hundreds of astrological factors that beautifully blend

together to bring an event about. Some nice points were made by Visti and our

nameless gentleman. I will make one more point based on annual Tithi Pravesha.

The TP data is 25 Dec 2003, 13:57:27 (IST). You will see that Jupiter hora was

running and hence Jupiter was the ruler of the year (weekday lord too). Jupiter

is vara lord too. It was Jupiter-Jupiter Tithi Ashtottari antardasa that took

his life. Though it may look like Jupiter is the 9th lord in 5th and

well-placed, please note that Jupiter is afflicted by Rahu in navamsa. In

trimsamsa, which shows evils, Jupiter is in 7th with nodes. In Rudramsa also,

Jupiter is the 8th lord in 2nd.

 

Regarding the JHora question:

 

I am not sure what is supported by JHora that was released in May 2003, but the

JHora that some gurus received in November 2003 allows the user to choose Mandi

or Gulika to rise at the beginning/middle/end of Saturn's portion OR the eighth

portion. I thought I gave that version to Visti when he was here, but I could

be wrong.

 

There is going to be new JHora release on Guru Pournima day (next Thursday,

which is a Full Moon day). People buying JHora freshly will receive the latest

software. Those who have already bought it can download a patch from the

internet to update their version. This new version will have the option. As far

as upagrahas are concerned, JHora is completely programmable, i.e. you can

select the definition you want and experiment. I am not sure if our current

understanding on Gulika and Mandi is perfect. I have my doubts. Hopefully,

JHora can help people in doing research into this.

 

BTW, the new JHora Lite version to be released on Guru Pournima will contain

annual Tithi Pravesha charts and Tithi Ashtottari dasa!

BTW, your "7 grahas and Gulika hence makeup the 8 kalas" characterization is

misleading. If you are trying to associate the 8th portion after Saturn's

portion with Gulika, please note that that view is unsupported by Parasara. I

heard that view before, but Parasara is categorical that the 8th portion is

unlorded (ashtamonsho nireeshassyaat) and that Saturn's portion is Gulika's

(shanyansho gulikah smritah).

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

 

> |Hare Räma Kåñëa|> > Dear RC,> > It’s actually called Niryäëa Sputa –

Sun+Saturn for day births and Moon+Rähu> for night births – Jätaka Parijata.> >

As for Gulika – I have understood that the Gulika portion rises at the end> of

Saturns portion. Now what is not included in Jagannath Hora, is the> option to

calculate Mandi from the middle portion of the lord-less portion!> i.e. 7

grahas and Gulika hence makeup the 8 kalas. I would hope that this is> included

in the future.> > Best wishes,> > Visti Larsen> <visti@s...> visti@s...

> > R.C.Srivastava [swami_rcs] > 25 June 2004 21:20>

vedic astrology> [vedic astrology] which planet

has inflicted death> > Dear visti.> > As usual you always instigate and shows

wonderful applications.You applied> Veranda lagna recently It was

interesting.Now about death.Will u kindly> oblige how and why calculation of

Mrityu sphute are different than what J> hora displays Anuradha in quoted case

below whereas u have adopted for> night birth it to be sum of Rahu and Moon.> >

More over what setting you use to calculate Gulika> > Hope u will kinly

guide..> > Thanking in advance.> > Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:06:13 +0200>

"Visti Larsen" <visti@s...>> FW: which planet has inflicted

death?????> > |Hare Rama Krsna|> Dear dkvrao,> Using Vimshottari Dasa, always

pay attention to Gulika or the Mrityu Sphuta> when timing death. Gulika is in

Anuradha Nakñatra which is lorded by Saturn.> Hence Saturn Dasa will act like

Gulika Dasa and can be death inflicting.> > As for Mrityu Sputa, the native is

born during the night, so we add the> longitudes of Rähu and Moon and arrive at

Poorva Ashada Nakñatra lorded by> Venus - this did not give death in his case.>

> Now if you look at the Ärüòha Lagna in Capricorn and see the cause of death>

- Rähu in 3rd from AL (sudden death, unnatural) and Saturn in 8th from AL>

(disease, sorrow, etc) are competing to kill the native.> > Saturn won, and is

placed in Leo indicating heart disease and hence Saturn> Dasa. Saturn is

lording Ärüòha Lagna and is placed in the 8th there from,> hence he performed

an action which was risk-taking. Jupiter and Venus in> Ärüòha lagna sees

Saturn, hence he and his family knew about the risk he was> taking but he took

it anyway.> > Best wishes,> Visti Larsen> visti@s... > > -----Original

Message-----> rao vasudevadk [dkv_rao] > 25 June 2004

13:12> vedic astrology> [vedic astrology] which

planet has inflicted death?????> > SRI RAMA RAMA RAMAETI>

----------------------> Dear List,> > I am giving birth/death details of a well

noted person> in the Banking Circle both in the State of Andhra> Pradesh and as

well in India. The native was well> educated, a Bank employee, became a union

leader of> the largest Bank, step by step grown to become state> leader and

represented national bank employees for> over 4 years. He was a good orator,

some times witty> and some times aggressive, have a charisma of> attracting

crowd, collapsed on 20.06.2004 at around> 3.00 pm while delivering yet a

forceful speech among a> large gathering of Bank employees. The death was>

sudden. > > Brief details of the native : An average height of> 56, not so

dark complexion, father died at small> age, mother still alive, have two

children, one male> and one female, both settled well, not earned much> except

owning an apartment at Hyderabad, a diabetic, a> foot ball player.> > Birth>

DOB 22.12.1949 TOB 02.06 a.m Longitude 80E2 Latitude> 14N17 5.30 East of GMT>

Death> 20.06.2004 at around 3.00 p.m > > For academic knowledge, can any one

analyse which> planet has inflicted death to the above native?> > Is it

Yogakaraka Saturn, or Lagna Lord Venus(for> having 8th lord-ship) or Transit of

Rahu in7th from> Lagna having aspect of 2nd/7th lord Mars in birth> Chart. Can

Lagna Lord become a Maraka? Please clarify> my doubts.> > With regards> dkvrao