Whether Bush or Kerry wins, astrology will lose ...To Sundeep

[Guest guest]

Hello Sundeep,

 

When people saw that MOUNT EVEREST was not yet conquered, teams upon

teams started trying to conquer the EVEREST .

They adopted different routes from which to start climbing.

The north, south eastern western etc are faces of EVEREST which are

being used to climb it and conquer it.

The aim is to reach the peak which is the highest point in this world.

 

When a team or teams or individuals set out to conquer it, they know

that some one will make it and some one will not.

Most of the times, people lose their fight against natural

forces .Some times they lose their lives and chances of failure are

more.

People can say that ,

 

EITHER THEY WILL BE SUCCESSFUL OR THEY WILL FAIL.

 

so does it make mountain climbing exercise a Failure?

 

Just think....

Tatvam-Asi

 

Ps.

 

A journey to unknown is always fascinating.

Should we stop embarking on the journey as routes are unknown or full

of pitfalls???

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "vedicastrostudent"

<vedicastrostudent> wrote:

>

>

> Dear all,

> Has it occurred to any of you that whether Bush or Kerry wins,

> astrology will lose, and in fact has already lost? If astrology is

> set forward as a methodology that can be used by sincere and

> intelligent practitioners to predict future events, then the very

> fact that even the best practitioners cannot agree on the outcome

> points to a weakness in the methodology or knowledge of it. I think

> it is equally important for top astrologers to arrive at a

CONSENSUS

> BEFORE the event, as it is for them to correctly predict the

outcome

> of the event. We have SJC gurus and experienced practitioners on

this

> group siding all possible outcomes (Bush wins, Kerry wins, Edwards

> eventually wins). We know for sure that someone will win, so some

> astrologer will be "correct". Even the layman non-believer knows

> that - that someone will be correct. What would really be an eye-

> opener for the average person would be if all astrologers, or in

this

> case at least SJC gurus at least, agreed on an outcome using

> independent analysis using the same rules and that outcome turned

out

> correct. Now that would be a really convincing win for astrology -

it

> would show that the science of astrology has consistent

> interpretation. Everything else will simply be a temporary ego-

boost

> for the astrologer that turns out to be "correct", nothing more,

> unless the same astrologer turns out to be correct, election after

> election. But I dont even see that happening. Sometimes one person

is

> correct, sometimes another..

>

> Sundeep

[Guest guest]

Dear Tatvam-Asi,

Are you saying that making election predictions is the "Mt. Everest"

task of astrology? As yet unmastered? Then where are the "Mt.

Kilimanjaro" (a 19K ft mountain in Africa as opposed to the Everest's

29K ft) tasks - the ones that are already mastered and everyone

agrees on? In mountain climbing, you build faith in teams climbing an

as yet unscaled mountain by seeing their prowess in earlier climbing

successively higher mountains leading up to the unscaled very high

one. I see pretty much all predictive tasks in astrology seeing equal

amounts of disagreement among Gurus.

 

Please dont misunderstand me. I am merely trying to hint that

efforts at the SYSTEMATIZATION of astrology seem to be going nowhere.

On this group, there seems more focus on individual genius than

getting all the Gurus to agree so that the knowledge is systematized

and can be easily disseminated - which I would assume is, or at least

should be, the goal of the SJC. Why arent Gurus able to review each

other's analysis BEFORE the event, and come to a consensus using

intelligent debates BEFORE the event. They may use different

techniques but the end goal is the same, so they should be able to

critique each other's usage of techniques (critique, not criticize).

What after all is the use of having an SJC like center? I am more for

building a systematic understanding of the scriptures than using

SJC's lists as a bulletinboard for popularizing individual

astrologers' predictions. That is all it does right now..

 

 

Sundeep

 

 

vedic astrology, "nameisego" <nameisego>

wrote:

>

>

> Hello Sundeep,

>

> When people saw that MOUNT EVEREST was not yet conquered, teams

upon

> teams started trying to conquer the EVEREST .

> They adopted different routes from which to start climbing.

> The north, south eastern western etc are faces of EVEREST which are

> being used to climb it and conquer it.

> The aim is to reach the peak which is the highest point in this

world.

>

> When a team or teams or individuals set out to conquer it, they

know

> that some one will make it and some one will not.

> Most of the times, people lose their fight against natural

> forces .Some times they lose their lives and chances of failure are

> more.

> People can say that ,

>

> EITHER THEY WILL BE SUCCESSFUL OR THEY WILL FAIL.

>

> so does it make mountain climbing exercise a Failure?

>

> Just think....

> Tatvam-Asi

>

> Ps.

>

> A journey to unknown is always fascinating.

> Should we stop embarking on the journey as routes are unknown or

full

> of pitfalls???

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> vedic astrology, "vedicastrostudent"

> <vedicastrostudent> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear all,

> > Has it occurred to any of you that whether Bush or Kerry wins,

> > astrology will lose, and in fact has already lost? If astrology

is

> > set forward as a methodology that can be used by sincere and

> > intelligent practitioners to predict future events, then the very

> > fact that even the best practitioners cannot agree on the outcome

> > points to a weakness in the methodology or knowledge of it. I

think

> > it is equally important for top astrologers to arrive at a

> CONSENSUS

> > BEFORE the event, as it is for them to correctly predict the

> outcome

> > of the event. We have SJC gurus and experienced practitioners on

> this

> > group siding all possible outcomes (Bush wins, Kerry wins,

Edwards

> > eventually wins). We know for sure that someone will win, so some

> > astrologer will be "correct". Even the layman non-believer knows

> > that - that someone will be correct. What would really be an eye-

> > opener for the average person would be if all astrologers, or in

> this

> > case at least SJC gurus at least, agreed on an outcome using

> > independent analysis using the same rules and that outcome turned

> out

> > correct. Now that would be a really convincing win for astrology -

 

> it

> > would show that the science of astrology has consistent

> > interpretation. Everything else will simply be a temporary ego-

> boost

> > for the astrologer that turns out to be "correct", nothing more,

> > unless the same astrologer turns out to be correct, election

after

> > election. But I dont even see that happening. Sometimes one

person

> is

> > correct, sometimes another..

> >

> > Sundeep

[Guest guest]

Hello Sundeep,

 

You missed the point .

Each individual's horoscope/life is an unchartered un-explored

enigma.

As astrologers people try out different methods to chart out his/her

life to the best possible perfection.

 

Does modern science has any so called foolproof method to accomplish

a single scientific task ?

 

Same science has not still understood

HOW A SIMPLE CHEMICAL CALLED ACETYL SALYSILIC ACID OR ASPIRIN WORKS

Even with the most sophisticated tools at their disposal.

 

For your kind information all individuals are basically bundle of

complex chemical engineering.

Hope this would put you to some thoughtful exercise.

 

Tatvam-Asi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "vedicastrostudent"

<vedicastrostudent> wrote:

>

> Dear Tatvam-Asi,

> Are you saying that making election predictions is the "Mt.

Everest"

> task of astrology? As yet unmastered? Then where are the "Mt.

> Kilimanjaro" (a 19K ft mountain in Africa as opposed to the

Everest's

> 29K ft) tasks - the ones that are already mastered and everyone

> agrees on? In mountain climbing, you build faith in teams climbing

an

> as yet unscaled mountain by seeing their prowess in earlier

climbing

> successively higher mountains leading up to the unscaled very high

> one. I see pretty much all predictive tasks in astrology seeing

equal

> amounts of disagreement among Gurus.

>

> Please dont misunderstand me. I am merely trying to hint that

> efforts at the SYSTEMATIZATION of astrology seem to be going

nowhere.

> On this group, there seems more focus on individual genius than

> getting all the Gurus to agree so that the knowledge is

systematized

> and can be easily disseminated - which I would assume is, or at

least

> should be, the goal of the SJC. Why arent Gurus able to review each

> other's analysis BEFORE the event, and come to a consensus using

> intelligent debates BEFORE the event. They may use different

> techniques but the end goal is the same, so they should be able to

> critique each other's usage of techniques (critique, not

criticize).

> What after all is the use of having an SJC like center? I am more

for

> building a systematic understanding of the scriptures than using

> SJC's lists as a bulletinboard for popularizing individual

> astrologers' predictions. That is all it does right now..

>

>

> Sundeep

>

>

> vedic astrology, "nameisego"

<nameisego>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Hello Sundeep,

> >

> > When people saw that MOUNT EVEREST was not yet conquered, teams

> upon

> > teams started trying to conquer the EVEREST .

> > They adopted different routes from which to start climbing.

> > The north, south eastern western etc are faces of EVEREST which

are

> > being used to climb it and conquer it.

> > The aim is to reach the peak which is the highest point in this

> world.

> >

> > When a team or teams or individuals set out to conquer it, they

> know

> > that some one will make it and some one will not.

> > Most of the times, people lose their fight against natural

> > forces .Some times they lose their lives and chances of failure

are

> > more.

> > People can say that ,

> >

> > EITHER THEY WILL BE SUCCESSFUL OR THEY WILL FAIL.

> >

> > so does it make mountain climbing exercise a Failure?

> >

> > Just think....

> > Tatvam-Asi

> >

> > Ps.

> >

> > A journey to unknown is always fascinating.

> > Should we stop embarking on the journey as routes are unknown or

> full

> > of pitfalls???

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, "vedicastrostudent"

> > <vedicastrostudent> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear all,

> > > Has it occurred to any of you that whether Bush or Kerry wins,

> > > astrology will lose, and in fact has already lost? If astrology

> is

> > > set forward as a methodology that can be used by sincere and

> > > intelligent practitioners to predict future events, then the

very

> > > fact that even the best practitioners cannot agree on the

outcome

> > > points to a weakness in the methodology or knowledge of it. I

> think

> > > it is equally important for top astrologers to arrive at a

> > CONSENSUS

> > > BEFORE the event, as it is for them to correctly predict the

> > outcome

> > > of the event. We have SJC gurus and experienced practitioners

on

> > this

> > > group siding all possible outcomes (Bush wins, Kerry wins,

> Edwards

> > > eventually wins). We know for sure that someone will win, so

some

> > > astrologer will be "correct". Even the layman non-believer

knows

> > > that - that someone will be correct. What would really be an

eye-

> > > opener for the average person would be if all astrologers, or

in

> > this

> > > case at least SJC gurus at least, agreed on an outcome using

> > > independent analysis using the same rules and that outcome

turned

> > out

> > > correct. Now that would be a really convincing win for

astrology -

>

> > it

> > > would show that the science of astrology has consistent

> > > interpretation. Everything else will simply be a temporary ego-

> > boost

> > > for the astrologer that turns out to be "correct", nothing

more,

> > > unless the same astrologer turns out to be correct, election

> after

> > > election. But I dont even see that happening. Sometimes one

> person

> > is

> > > correct, sometimes another..

> > >

> > > Sundeep