VRY of Bush ?

[Guest guest]

Dear Friends,

I want to know the basic reason (based on Rasi chart only) why Bush had ascended

in the dasa of his 8th lord Saturn (like Smt. Indira Gandhi). I am still

perplexed as I couldn't find the various possibilities replicable. Please let

me know if it is as given below :

 

(A) Being 8th lord it is in the 6th from 8th and its dispositor goes to the 3rd.

Thus, it forms a kind of VRY.

 

OR

 

(B) Being 8th lord it is with the 3rd lord Mercury giving VRY. Then dispositor

has exchanged house with the 3rd lord.

 

Please write which one, A or B is the primary reason which changed the character

of Saturn. I shall feel much obliged.

 

 

 

Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)

[Guest guest]

Dear Narasimha,

Excellent. Your logic is highly convincing. I had applied it to the chart of

Mrs. Indira Gandhi and obtained the same good results. But, still I feel that

there are mysteries in 'Dasa Interpretation'. Parasara has described

Vimshottari and Kalachakra dasas as supreme. Some people , reportedly, give

stunning predictions using even one dasa like Vimshottari, Kalachakra or

Yogini. Late Shri Vemuri (of Andhra Pradesh) was giving spectacular

predictions, without fail, using only Jaimini principles and different Jaimini

dasas applicable to different charts. But, unfortunately, they don't reveal

their secrets. Anyhow, your reply has prompted me to use conditional dasas too

which I had ignored so far despite knowing about it.

 

Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)

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Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

vedic astrology

06, 11, 2004 8:11 AM

[vedic astrology] Re: VRY of Bush ?

Namaste Praveen ji,

 

When a conditional nakshatra dasa is applicable in a chart, it gives far better

results than Vimsottari. It is not even really 100% clear from Parasara's works

if Vimsottari applies even when a conditional nakshatra dasa applies. I have no

rigid view on this, but there are points on both the sides and I am open.

 

In any case, Dwisaptati sama dasa definitely applies in the chart of Bush. If

lagna lord is in 7th or 7th lord is in lagna, Dwisaptati sama dasa applies

according to Maharshi Parasara. Bush has 7th lord Saturn in lagna. The

calculations are given below:

 

Dwi-saptati sama dasa (applicable if lagna lord is in 7th or 7th lord is in lagna):

 

Maha Dasas:

 

Sat: 1946-04-21 (2:29:09) - 1955-04-21 (9:43:44) Rah: 1955-04-21 (9:43:44) -

1964-04-20 (17:04:44) Sun: 1964-04-20 (17:04:44) - 1973-04-21 (0:27:46) Moon:

1973-04-21 (0:27:46) - 1982-04-21 (7:55:35) Mars: 1982-04-21 (7:55:35) -

1991-04-21 (15:15:24) Merc: 1991-04-21 (15:15:24) - 2000-04-20 (22:40:05) Jup:

2000-04-20 (22:40:05) - 2009-04-21 (6:01:07) Ven: 2009-04-21 (6:01:07) -

2018-04-21 (13:23:18)

 

Dwi-saptati sama dasa (applicable if lagna lord is in 7th or 7th lord is in lagna):

 

Jup MD: 2000-04-20 (22:40:05) - 2009-04-21 (6:01:07)

 

Antardasas in this MD:

 

Jup: 2000-04-20 (22:40:05) - 2001-06-06 (19:55:11) <<<< Ven: 2001-06-06

(19:55:11) - 2002-07-24 (5:44:43) Sat: 2002-07-24 (5:44:43) - 2003-09-09

(6:41:27) Rah: 2003-09-09 (6:41:27) - 2004-10-24 (6:43:48) Sun: 2004-10-24

(6:43:48) - 2005-12-08 (5:13:51) <<<< Moon: 2005-12-08 (5:13:51) - 2007-01-21

(16:01:55) Mars: 2007-01-21 (16:01:55) - 2008-03-06 (10:57:27) Merc:

2008-03-06 (10:57:27) - 2009-04-21 (6:01:07)

 

You can see that Bush became president in Jupiter-Jupiter. Why? Jupiter gives a

raja yoga in his rasi chart. Lagna lord Moon is at 23Vi38 and 9th lord Jupiter

is at 25Vi02. Their close conjunction within 1.5 degrees results in an

excellent raja yoga and also Gaja-Kesari yoga. Jupiter is the lord of A9 and

A10 (bhagya pada and rajya pada).

 

Right now, Jupiter-Sun antardasa is running. Some people expected that Sun would

give a fall because he is in 12th in marana karaka sthana. But I argued with

them that Sun being in the 10th from Jupiter cannot give a fall. Moreover,

bhoga of Sun in Jupiter dasa is in Pisces (count signs from dasa lord to

antardasa lord. Count the same number of signs from antardasa lord. The

resulting sign is bhoga), which is the 9th house from lagna and 5th from AL and

GL (Ghati Lagna is the seat of authority). This antardasa was bound to make him

fortunate. Even in dasamsa, Sun is the 8th lord from Jupiter and occupies 12th

from him, giving VRY. Bhoga of Sun from Jupiter in dasamsa is in Scorpio, the

5th house! I stated this before and I was convinced that Jupiter-Sun can not

give him a fall.

 

In fact, Jupiter-Moon antardasa (2006-2007) is likely to be the pinnacle of his

career and likely to result in events that give him a permanent place in

history (Gaja-Kesari yoga!). Jupiter-Mars antardasa will give the results of

his Jaya yoga (victor combination) in dasamsa and some kind of huge victory

over enemies. With these two crucial antardasas coming up, I could not see him

leaving office in Jupiter-Sun antardasa.

 

Jupiter is the 9th lord showing that Bush follows what he thinks is his dharma.

Pisces being a sign of lofty ideals and religiousness, he does want to spread

such ideals in the whole world. I honestly don't think his is empty rhetoric.

However, Jupiter is in Vahni shashtyamsa (fire) in marana karaka sthana and so

he takes a fiery approach in spreading dharma. He uses arms (3rd) to spread

peace (Pisces). Jupiter is the 9th lord in the 7th from 9th. So the way he

follows his dharma (9th) is in an interventionist/extrovert way (7th).

 

Perhaps some learned scholars will be able to justify Vimsottari dasa also. But

my personal preference is to use the best possible dasa and steer clear of

marginal logic.

 

We are all groping in such interllectual darkness that an occasional spark of

light seems bright as Sun to us. We are all "intellctual pygmies of Kali yuga"

as Parasara called us. We should constantly revisit the basics and make sure

that our understanding basics is correct. If not, all our studies and findings

stand on a shallow basis and can be wrong. Simple questions like whether

Vimsottari works always are not too simple to answer.

 

Hope that makes sense.

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

 

> Dear Friends,> I want to know the basic reason (based on Rasi chart only) why

Bush had ascended in the dasa of his 8th lord Saturn (like Smt. Indira Gandhi).

I am still perplexed as I couldn't find the various possibilities replicable.

Please let me know if it is as given below :> > (A) Being 8th lord it is in the

6th from 8th and its dispositor goes to the 3rd. Thus, it forms a kind of VRY.>

>

OR> > (B) Being 8th lord it is with the 3rd lord Mercury giving VRY. Then

dispositor has exchanged house with the 3rd lord.> > Please write which one, A

or B is the primary reason which changed the character of Saturn. I shall feel

much obliged.> > Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)

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Dear Praveen ji,

 

When judging Sun's Dwisaptati sama dasa of Indira Gandhi, please note that Sun

is with Mercury in 5th and aspects both lagna and GL. He is a yogada, Moreover,

the planet that Sun joins - Mercury - is participating in a raja yoga. Mercury

is PK and he is in 5th, while AK Saturn is in 1st. AK and PK in 1st or 5th

together or separately is a maharaja yoga according to Parasara. Sun gives the

results of Mercury.

 

Parasara only said Vimsottari was a prominent dasa in Kali yuga ("kalou

mukhyaa"). It does not mean it is the best dasa or the only dasa. It does not

mean it works when another conditional nakshatra dasa applies. Of course, I am

open to all possibilities.

 

When Dwisaptati sama dasa is applicable, we don't exactly know if Parasara feels

that Vimsottari also applies. But we do know that Parasara feels that Dwisaptati

sama dasa works when its condition holds. Then why not use just that dasa?

 

Kalachakra dasa is different. It is the only navamsa (nakshatra pada) based dasa

taught by Parasara. Vimsottari, Ashtottari, Dwisaptati sama, Shasti sama,

Chaturaseeti sama etc belong to one class, show one kind of results and they

are judged in one way. Kalachakra dasa is another class of dasa and is judged

differently. So there is no clash.

 

Regarding rasi dasas taught by Sages (e.g. Chara dasa, Sthira dasa, Drigdasa,

Yogardha dasa etc of Parasara, Padanaathaamsa dasa, Mandooka, Paryaaya dasa etc

of Jaimini), we know very little. There are many special conditions and nuances

in calculation/interpretation that are lost. We can only try to reconstruct the

knowledge. The snippets left here and there in various traditions can be helpful

in that regard. But sadly egos of individuals sometimes come in the way of a

fruitful collaboration between learned scholars from various traditions.

 

My father used only Vimsottari dasa and made great predictions. I haven't seen a

more accurate astrologer than him. He had great vaagbala and spiritual energy.

Predictions coming true because of spiritual energy are good, but not useful

for learning and perfecting the sastra. What I am searching for is techniques

that is "replicable". Conditional nakshatra dasas of Parasara ARE replicable.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

 

> Dear Narasimha,> Excellent. Your logic is highly convincing. I had applied it

to the chart of Mrs. Indira Gandhi and obtained the same good results. But,

still I feel that there are mysteries in 'Dasa Interpretation'. Parasara has

described Vimshottari and Kalachakra dasas as supreme. Some people ,

reportedly, give stunning predictions using even one dasa like Vimshottari,

Kalachakra or Yogini. Late Shri Vemuri (of Andhra Pradesh) was giving

spectacular predictions, without fail, using only Jaimini principles and

different Jaimini dasas applicable to different charts. But, unfortunately,

they don't reveal their secrets. Anyhow, your reply has prompted me to use

conditional dasas too which I had ignored so far despite knowing about it. > >

Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)

[Guest guest]

Dear Narashimha,

 

Once upon a time you wrote the following:

 

 

"Namaste all,

 

Here is the birthdata of George W. Bush as rectified by me:

 

6th July 1946, 7:38:30 (4:00:00 west of GMT), 72 W 55', 41 N 18'

 

The most important yoga in the chart is between Moon and Jupiter.

Moon and Jupiter conjoin within 1 deg 20 min. This close conjunction

gives Gaja-Kesari yoga and promises lasting fame. They also give

Lakshmi yoga and promise fortune. Moreover, Moon is yogada - he owns

lagna and aspects GL (ghati lagna - power and authority). Conjunction

of lagna lord (Moon) and GL lord (Jupiter), with both aspecting GL,

is a potent yoga for power. Moreover, Moon is the dispositor of

Mercury, Venus and Saturn, who give Vesi yoga, Tapaswi yoga and a

raja yoga (conjunction of AK and PiK in lagna or 5th gives a raja

yoga. Here Venus is AK and Mercury is PiK and both occupy Cancer

lagna). So Moon can trigger all those yogas, in addition to the yogas

he directly takes part in.

 

Clearly, Moon dasa should bring him power and trigger a lot of nice

yogas. When he became US president in 2000-01, he MUST have been

running Moon dasa. If we get another dasa, it means we are most

probably not using the right dasa system!

 

Based on the normal Vimsottari dasa, he was running Saturn-Rahu

period at the time he became US president. One can make a case for

anything in hindsight, but I do not think there is a STRONG case for

Saturn-Rahu. If we use the standard Vimsottari dasa, we will be

forced to accept vague reasoning at times. By using the right

variation, we can always provide very crisp and clear logic. I made

the same point in my classes at "Achyuta Jyotish Workshop" (go to

http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/workshop to buy the CD containing 12

hr 25 min of classes and 55 min of prayers). To progress as

astrologers, we should be honest and look for a better case when the

case is weak.

 

* * *

 

Moon has only two planets in quadrants from him, but lagna has three.

So, as per the teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath (see his landmark

book "Vimsottari & Udu Dasa" released recently), Lagna Vimsottari

dasa applies here (it is the variation of Vimsottari dasa seeded from

lagna instead of Moon). The calculations are given below: "

 

 

 

So is lagna vimshattori dasa the one to use or Dwisapati sama dasa?

 

Best wishes from your astute follower....

 

Kasim

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

<pvr@c...> wrote:

> Namaste Praveen ji,

>

> When a conditional nakshatra dasa is applicable in a chart, it

gives far better results than Vimsottari. It is not even really 100%

clear from Parasara's works if Vimsottari applies even when a

conditional nakshatra dasa applies. I have no rigid view on this, but

there are points on both the sides and I am open.

>

> In any case, Dwisaptati sama dasa definitely applies in the chart

of Bush. If lagna lord is in 7th or 7th lord is in lagna, Dwisaptati

sama dasa applies according to Maharshi Parasara. Bush has 7th lord

Saturn in lagna. The calculations are given below:

>

> Dwi-saptati sama dasa (applicable if lagna lord is in 7th or 7th

lord is in lagna):

>

> Maha Dasas:

>

> Sat: 1946-04-21 (2:29:09) - 1955-04-21 (9:43:44)

> Rah: 1955-04-21 (9:43:44) - 1964-04-20 (17:04:44)

> Sun: 1964-04-20 (17:04:44) - 1973-04-21 (0:27:46)

> Moon: 1973-04-21 (0:27:46) - 1982-04-21 (7:55:35)

> Mars: 1982-04-21 (7:55:35) - 1991-04-21 (15:15:24)

> Merc: 1991-04-21 (15:15:24) - 2000-04-20 (22:40:05)

> Jup: 2000-04-20 (22:40:05) - 2009-04-21 (6:01:07)

> Ven: 2009-04-21 (6:01:07) - 2018-04-21 (13:23:18)

>

> Dwi-saptati sama dasa (applicable if lagna lord is in 7th or 7th

lord is in lagna):

>

> Jup MD: 2000-04-20 (22:40:05) - 2009-04-21 (6:01:07)

>

> Antardasas in this MD:

>

> Jup: 2000-04-20 (22:40:05) - 2001-06-06 (19:55:11) <<<<

> Ven: 2001-06-06 (19:55:11) - 2002-07-24 (5:44:43)

> Sat: 2002-07-24 (5:44:43) - 2003-09-09 (6:41:27)

> Rah: 2003-09-09 (6:41:27) - 2004-10-24 (6:43:48)

> Sun: 2004-10-24 (6:43:48) - 2005-12-08 (5:13:51) <<<<

> Moon: 2005-12-08 (5:13:51) - 2007-01-21 (16:01:55)

> Mars: 2007-01-21 (16:01:55) - 2008-03-06 (10:57:27)

> Merc: 2008-03-06 (10:57:27) - 2009-04-21 (6:01:07)

>

> You can see that Bush became president in Jupiter-Jupiter. Why?

Jupiter gives a raja yoga in his rasi chart. Lagna lord Moon is at

23Vi38 and 9th lord Jupiter is at 25Vi02. Their close conjunction

within 1.5 degrees results in an excellent raja yoga and also Gaja-

Kesari yoga. Jupiter is the lord of A9 and A10 (bhagya pada and rajya

pada).

>

> Right now, Jupiter-Sun antardasa is running. Some people expected

that Sun would give a fall because he is in 12th in marana karaka

sthana. But I argued with them that Sun being in the 10th from

Jupiter cannot give a fall. Moreover, bhoga of Sun in Jupiter dasa is

in Pisces (count signs from dasa lord to antardasa lord. Count the

same number of signs from antardasa lord. The resulting sign is

bhoga), which is the 9th house from lagna and 5th from AL and GL

(Ghati Lagna is the seat of authority). This antardasa was bound to

make him fortunate. Even in dasamsa, Sun is the 8th lord from Jupiter

and occupies 12th from him, giving VRY. Bhoga of Sun from Jupiter in

dasamsa is in Scorpio, the 5th house! I stated this before and I was

convinced that Jupiter-Sun can not give him a fall.

>

> In fact, Jupiter-Moon antardasa (2006-2007) is likely to be the

pinnacle of his career and likely to result in events that give him a

permanent place in history (Gaja-Kesari yoga!). Jupiter-Mars

antardasa will give the results of his Jaya yoga (victor combination)

in dasamsa and some kind of huge victory over enemies. With these two

crucial antardasas coming up, I could not see him leaving office in

Jupiter-Sun antardasa.

>

> Jupiter is the 9th lord showing that Bush follows what he thinks is

his dharma. Pisces being a sign of lofty ideals and religiousness, he

does want to spread such ideals in the whole world. I honestly don't

think his is empty rhetoric. However, Jupiter is in Vahni shashtyamsa

(fire) in marana karaka sthana and so he takes a fiery approach in

spreading dharma. He uses arms (3rd) to spread peace (Pisces).

Jupiter is the 9th lord in the 7th from 9th. So the way he follows

his dharma (9th) is in an interventionist/extrovert way (7th).

>

> Perhaps some learned scholars will be able to justify Vimsottari

dasa also. But my personal preference is to use the best possible

dasa and steer clear of marginal logic.

>

> We are all groping in such interllectual darkness that an

occasional spark of light seems bright as Sun to us. We are

all "intellctual pygmies of Kali yuga" as Parasara called us. We

should constantly revisit the basics and make sure that our

understanding basics is correct. If not, all our studies and findings

stand on a shallow basis and can be wrong. Simple questions like

whether Vimsottari works always are not too simple to answer.

>

> Hope that makes sense.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

>

> > Dear Friends,

> > I want to know the basic reason (based on Rasi chart only) why

Bush had ascended in the dasa of his 8th lord Saturn (like Smt.

Indira Gandhi). I am still perplexed as I couldn't find the various

possibilities replicable. Please let me know if it is as given below :

> >

> > (A) Being 8th lord it is in the 6th from 8th and its dispositor

goes to the 3rd. Thus, it forms a kind of VRY.

> >

>

>

OR

> >

> > (B) Being 8th lord it is with the 3rd lord Mercury giving VRY.

Then dispositor has exchanged house with the 3rd lord.

> >

> > Please write which one, A or B is the primary reason which

changed the character of Saturn. I shall feel much obliged.

> >

> > Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)

[Guest guest]

Dear Kasim, When it comes to whether Vimsottari dasa is ALSO applicable when a

conditional dasa applies, I am not saying the final word. I am only asking

people to consider the conditional dasa also. That gives the cleanest results

and people ignore it often. You are right. If you insist on using Vimsottari

dasa, Lagna Vimsottari dasa is definitely more suitable in Bush's case than

Chandra Vimsottari dasa. In fact, Lagna Kalachakra dasa gives far better

results in his case than Chandra Kalachakra dasa. (Note: Lord Shiva clearly

taught that Kalachakra dasa is cast based on the amsa of janma lagna or Chandra

lagna or prasna lagna!! So finding Kalachakra dasa from lagna's navamsa is

perfectly justified.)

 

Based on lagna Kalachakra dasa, Bush is running Pisces dasa. Pisces is the 9th

house and its lord Jupiter is taking part in a great raja yoga with lagna lord

Moon. Based on lagna Vimsottari dasa, Moon dasa runs from 1999 to 2009. Based

on Dwisaptati sama dasa, Jupiter dasa runs from 2000 to 2009. The confluence of

all these dasas is most interesting!

 

In fact, Narayana dasa is also of Pisces during 2000-2006. Not just that, but

Pisces Sudasa runs during 1999-2005!! Pisces Sudasa brings out the results of

Moon-Jupiter raja yoga and Gaja-Kesari yoga. Moreover, if you see where Lakshmi

sits as Sree sakti, Bhoo sakti and Neela sakti in Pisces dasa, you will clearly

see how Ghati Lagna was activated in this period. May Jupiter's light shine on

us,Narasimha > Dear Narashimha,> > Once upon a time you wrote the following:> >

> "Namaste all, > > Here is the birthdata of George W. Bush as rectified by me:

> > 6th July 1946, 7:38:30 (4:00:00 west of GMT), 72 W 55', 41 N 18' > > The

most important yoga in the chart is between Moon and Jupiter. > Moon and

Jupiter conjoin within 1 deg 20 min. This close conjunction > gives Gaja-Kesari

yoga and promises lasting fame. They also give > Lakshmi yoga and promise

fortune. Moreover, Moon is yogada - he owns > lagna and aspects GL (ghati lagna

- power and authority). Conjunction > of lagna lord (Moon) and GL lord

(Jupiter), with both aspecting GL, > is a potent yoga for power. Moreover, Moon

is the dispositor of > Mercury, Venus and Saturn, who give Vesi yoga, Tapaswi

yoga and a > raja yoga (conjunction of AK and PiK in lagna or 5th gives a raja

> yoga. Here Venus is AK and Mercury is PiK and both occupy Cancer > lagna). So

Moon can trigger all those yogas, in addition to the yogas > he directly takes

part in. > > Clearly, Moon dasa should bring him power and trigger a lot of

nice > yogas. When he became US president in 2000-01, he MUST have been >

running Moon dasa. If we get another dasa, it means we are most > probably not

using the right dasa system! > > Based on the normal Vimsottari dasa, he was

running Saturn-Rahu > period at the time he became US president. One can make a

case for > anything in hindsight, but I do not think there is a STRONG case for

> Saturn-Rahu. If we use the standard Vimsottari dasa, we will be > forced to

accept vague reasoning at times. By using the right > variation, we can always

provide very crisp and clear logic. I made > the same point in my classes at

"Achyuta Jyotish Workshop" (go to > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/workshop to

buy the CD containing 12 > hr 25 min of classes and 55 min of prayers). To

progress as > astrologers, we should be honest and look for a better case when

the > case is weak. > > * * * > > Moon has only two planets in quadrants from

him, but lagna has three. > So, as per the teachings of Pt. Sanjay Rath (see his

landmark > book "Vimsottari & Udu Dasa" released recently), Lagna Vimsottari >

dasa applies here (it is the variation of Vimsottari dasa seeded from > lagna

instead of Moon). The calculations are given below: "> > > > So is lagna

vimshattori dasa the one to use or Dwisapati sama dasa?> > Best wishes from

your astute follower....> > Kasim