Guest guest Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 - "energonmusic" <energonmusic <vedic astrology-owner> Friday, August 27, 2004 6:08 PM Re: Doubt regarding Karakamsha > Hello honorable members, > > I had a similar question for my own chart-- athough I tend to think that unless one has > *really* not yet entered the valid dasas, one probably "knows" pretty clearly whether they > have a Raja Yoga of some strength or not. > > In my chart, the Navamsa lagna lord is the AK for the chart, Rx. Saturn, but it is in the 3rd > house of efforts. I would guess from the posts pertaining to the BPHS that this is not a Raja > Yoga, on more than one count: house position, strength and just that it is the same planet. > Can a more learned member help me out with this? > > What I also wonder is can anyone give additional insight into Jupiter in the 5th from the > Karakamsha, and the Sun as the possible Isha Devata, trumping Mars for this role? How > does one use this information? What sort of (paid) reading could one get along these lines? > > I appreciate your attention, > > Namaste, > > David > 2/27/1975 > 2:57am EST > (Daylight Savings was operating that year at that time) > Livingston, Nj, USA > 74deg.18' 8" W Long > 40deg. 45' 51" N Lat > > > > > > vedic astrology, "astro_learn" <astrolearn@i...> wrote: > > Hello chandrashekhar ji > > > > Is there any literature/Information about Sun being atmakaraka and > > Karkamsa and its effect if Sun is also Navmansha Lagnadhipati? > > > > Its really difficult to analyse my chart sometime... > > Sun is my atmakaraka but debilited in Rashi chart. > > But Navmansh lagna lord is also Sun. And Sun is in 11th house in > > gemini. > > Also if you see Sun(atmakaraka and navmansh lagna lord) and Rashi > > chart lagna lord mercury aspect each other in D-9 in 5/9 axis. > > > > Here what is role of debilited atmakaraka in main chart and How to > > analyse such atmakaraka ? I did not find much informatio about Sun > > being atmakaraka.. ? > > > > Here are my details > > 14 Nov 1972 > > 4.22 am > > Pune India > > > > I agree that in liturartue, parashara Rishi mentions that Sun > > cojoins meeans Sun cojoins atakaraka that does by deafut indicate > > sun as atmkarka. Otherwise Parashara rishi would have said clearly > > about it. > > > > > > Regards > > Kalyani > > > > > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel> > > wrote: > > > Dear Nitin, > > > Read the Sutras just prior to what the Sage has said in Pada 2. > > Here he > > > defines Various Navamsha becoming Karakamsha on account of housing > > the > > > Atmakaraka till sutra 13. Again sutra 15 talks about Moon and > > Venus > > > having to join Karakamsha for one to become wealthy and earn > > through > > > education as profession. It is not necessary to repeat here that > > two > > > planets can not become Atmakaraka simultaneously. So in Sutra 15 > > the > > > planets, obviously are not indicative of their being Atma Karaka. > > > Therefore when the Sage says Tatra in Sutra 14, one should > > understand > > > that he means Sun joining Karakamsha housing the Atmakaraka, would > > not > > > be Sun. Go further to sutra 23 where one getting bitten by snake > > is said > > > to be the result of Ravi and Rahu joining the Karakamsha. Same > > logic > > > here too. The difference is that though Ravi joins Karakamsha Rahu > > > debilitates him and one gets bitten by snake instead of becoming > > either > > > fond of public service or political activities. So why strength is > > to be > > > seen in Navamsha too, in the manner suggested by Parashara for D- > > Charts > > > should also be clear. For classical reference look at what > > Parashara > > > says about analysis of Varga charts in the great classic B.P.H.S. > > He is > > > very clear about how they are to be analyzed. I only quoted his > > opinion. > > > I trust the meaning is now clear. By the way Parashara does not > > > distinguish between the way charts are to be analyzed for strength > > of > > > planets. > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Nitin wrote: > > > > > > > ||| Hare Rama Krishna ||| > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > Here is a snapshot of MJUS (translation). Before this chapter, > > the > > > > Author describes the AtmaKaraka in different signs. > > > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > > > Nitin. > > > > > > > > || Namah Shivaaya || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =================== > > > > > > > > ADHYAYA 1- PADA 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > SU. 14.-Tatra ravou rajakaryaparaha. If the Sun occupies the > > > > Karakamsa, the person will be fond of public service and will > > work in > > > > political activities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SU. 15. -Poornendusukrayorbhogee vidyajeevee cha. If Full Moon > > and > > > > Venus join Atmakaraka in the Navamsa, the person will command > > great > > > > wealth and all comforts attendant on wealth and he will also earn > > > > money and live by the profession of education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SU. 16.-Dhatuvadee kountayudho vahnijeevee cha bhoume. When Kuja > > joins > > > > Atmakaraka in the Navamsa, the person becomes great in the > > preparation > > > > of various medical mixtures, will bear arms like kuntayudha and > > other > > > > weapons, and live by profession involving preparations in or near > > > > fire. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SU. 17.-yanijatantuvayaha silpino vyavaharavidascha soumye. If > > Budha > > > > conjoins the Atmakaraka in the Navamsa, the persons become > > merchants, > > > > weavers and manufacturers of clothes, artists and persons clever > > in > > > > preparing curios, and those well versed in the affairs of social > > and > > > > political matters. > > > > > > > > SU. 18.-Kairmagnunanishta vedavidascha jeevay. When Guru joins > > the > > > > Navamsa with Atmakaraka, the person will be well versed in Vedic > > or > > > > religious rituals, will have religious wisdom, well known in the > > rules > > > > of sacrificial functions and will have good knowledge in Vedanta > > and > > > > will be a religious man. . > > > > > > > > SU. 19.-Rajakeeyaha kaminaha satendriyascha sttkre. . If Sukra > > joins > > > > the Atmakaraka in the Navamsa, the person will become a great > > official > > > > or political personage, will be fond of many women and will > > retain > > > > vitality and sexual passions till he is hundred years old. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SU. 20.--Prasiddhakarma jeevaha sanow. If Sani joins Atmakaraka > > in the > > > > Navamsa, he will produce a famous person in his own line of > > business. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SU. 21.-Dhanushkaschouvrascha jangalikalohayantrinascha rahow. > > It Rahu > > > > joins the Atmakaraka in Navamsa the person will live by the > > skilful > > > > use of warlike instruments, he will earn bread as thief and > > dacoit; he > > > > becomes a doctor dealing in poisons, manufacturer of gold, > > silver, > > > > copper and other metallic machinery > > > > > > > > SU. 22.--Gajavyavaharinaschourrascha kethau. 'When Ketu joins the > > > > Atmakaraka in the Navamsa the persons born under such combination > > > > trade in elephants or become thieves and robbers. > > > > =================== > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > I understand from your mail that sutras have to be understood > > with > > > > continuity,content as well as structure wise. > > > > In this case after describing about results of AK in various > > > > navamshas,the sage is not mentioning about individual results of > > AK. > > > > I am seeing only published sutras(internet) ,thus i may be wrong. > > > > Regarding position of karakamsha i understand your point.But > > until > > > > now i have a feeling that house considerations are not needed in > > > > vargas(other than rashi). > > > > I think other vargas are analysed differently.Diety > > lordships,Tattawa > > > > (friendly,ucha/swa rashis as you have mentioned),lording > > quadrants > > > > from AL(w.r rashi),not posited in rashis whose lords are combust > > etc. > > > > As my knowledge is limited i may request you to guide to any > > > > classical reference regarding this.I have read some local > > language > > > > books,theraswell i can see only references about benefic > > navamshas > > > > etc.No Kendra,trikona references at all. > > > > They have given effects due to various drekkanas etc but again no > > > > house considerations. > > > > > > > > As the learned members have vast experience i appreciate your > > > > guidance. > > > > > > > > Respect > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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