Kalchakra navamsa

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Dear sirs .

I do not consider my self well conversant with KCD but have read all published

material by Sarva Sri PVR ji ( His web site and Integrated astrology), Chugh,

( Yogni and Kalchakra dasa)K.N.Rao series of article in Times of astrology and

various other article by surendran and others in Astrological magazine) ,Dr

Raman Book on KCD, KCD book in hindi by Deewan Ram chandra Kapoor and writings

by Late SRI R. Santhanam in TOA with large number of exercise. I am compiling

current discussion but am finding hard to swallow some parts of it .I myself am

yet to reach a decision and as learner only and want to learn more about it.

But specially why KCD navamsa as known and applicable to available speculam and

mathematical formule both be treated unreliable when large number of prediction

are falling true in experience of those who have tried KCD.

The Views of Sri Ramnarayanan and Sri Chandrashekhar are consistent & worth

perusal, in light of available exposition summarized below. Is it necessary

that hypothetically certain supposition should be valid?

I hope you would not mind if i quote that Mr Chugh had explained specially about

KCD Navamsa. And also followed by Sri Santhanam. in toto. However the formula

given by Mr Chugh does not answer all cases but his tables are same as that

by Sri Santhanam. For the moment I am quoting Mr Chugs opinion and its

expansion by Sri Santhanam. After it let us consider what sri chandrashekar

says is correct as per diffrent commentaries accessible .

It is hoped my entry to discussion may not be treated as intrusion, If it is

so please ignore this mail.

Now the discussion is about KCD Navamsa.

The navamsa position of moon or other planet as per the Kalchakra Dasa is the

same for Savya group of Nakshatra. It is only the Apsayva group of Nakshatra

they are different.

A.

Table for determining KCD Navamsa For Apsavya group.

Navmas Quarter of Apsavya Nakshtra

Scorpio First Rohni,Makha,Vishaka, Shravana

Libra Second do

Virgo Third Do

Leo Fourth Do

Cancer First Mrigasira,P Phalguni,Anuradha Dhanishta

Gemini Second Do

Taurus Third Do

Aries Fourth Do

Pisces First Arudha, U.Phalg Jyestha Satbhisa

Aquarius Second Do

Capricon Third Do

Sagitt Fourth Do

In example under discussion P Phalguni First pada is clearly in Cancer Navams as

per table given above.

If I reproduce tables as given by Mr Chugh the order of KCD Navamsa is totally

logical and symmetrical.

Extracts from Table 5.4 are given below.

Nak

First

Second

Third

Fourth

1,7,13,19,25

Aries

Taurus

Gemini

Cancer

2,8,14,20,26

Leo

Virgo

Libra

Scorpio

3,9,15,21,27

Sagg

Capri

Aqua

Pisc

4,10,16,22

Scorpio*

Libra

Virgo

Leo

5,11,17,23

Cancer

Gemini

Taurus

Aries

6,12,18,24

Pisc

Aqua

Capri

Saggi

 

To my memory as I studied KCD many years ago, Deewan Ramchandra Kapoor and Mr

chugh has given formula for determining KCD navamsa. Unfortunately I could not

understand it’s second part. Both authors appears confused to me or may be I am

lacking in correct application. Knowing KCD Navamsa is very important.

It is commonly believed that Mahadasa results can not be given without it as

same rasi dasa gives different result which is related with KCD Navamsa

Position. Dr Raman and Sri Chugh has given likely results in enough detail.

BPH has many slokas about the results of planet placement in KCD Navamsa.

B Other issues.

Logic mentioned is “unexpired portion of Dasa is followed by the expired portion

of dasa.”The entire dasa is like a circle. May it be direct like in Yogni, may

it be Reverse motion or Jumping. This is logical in case of Drig, mandooka and

chara dasa too.So balance at birth is to be worked out. Many follow this.

Logic of Mirror image is wonderful as taught by Sh. Narasimha ji but why

confusion in SUB PERIOD orders and duration.May be this requires research.

For duration OF sub period Sri Narsimha explains beautifully the underlying

principal and Mr Chugh has given Ready made tables to calculate easily. Mr

Chugh and Dr Raman hinted the results of Sub period also . Dr Raman has given

extensive results based on some manuscript. But how sub period runs and start

and order wants needs confirmation by research minded people. Deewan has

avoided discussion on sub period itself The discussion was started on quote by

some expert traditional village astrologer. It will be real good fortune if

that Gentleman share and add some insight to known application method to reach

KCD acceptibality. More on KCD Navamsa IN next mail if intrusion in discussion

is not disturbing. I will be happy if experts give opinion about order of

SUBPERIOD based on their experience.

Hari Om Tatsat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk>Re: Kalachakra Navamsa

Chart DiscrepancyDear Narasimha,I think what Ramanarayanan is saying is

correct. The 1st pada of Purva Phalguni does fall in Karka in Kalachakra

scheme of things, and will be designated as falling in Karka Navamsha. The

sign lord therefore becomes the Deha. Shloka 94 and 95 ch. 48 this is

unambiguously stated by Parashara.Chandrashekhar. Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

wrote:Dear Sri Ramanarayanan, Nakshatra positions of planets &

ascendant:-Lagna:-uttarashada 4 Sun:- Punarvasu 4 Moon:- Dhanishta 4 Mars:-

Chitra 3 Buda Aridra 2 Guru:- Visaka 1 Sukra:-Purvaphalguni 1 Sani®:-Satayam

4 Rahu:-Uttarashada 1 Ketu:- Punarvasu 3 Mandi:-Rohini 4 Gulika:- Mrigasira 3

HL:- Makha 2 GL:- Revati 3 Kalachakra - the navamsa diagram/chart:-(refer

previous mail)

Lagna:- Meena Sun:-Kataka Moon:- Mesha Mars:-Tula Buda:-Kumbha Guru:-Vrischika

Sukra:-kataka Sani:-Dhanur Rahu:-Dhanur Ketu:-Mithuna Mandi:-Simha

Gulika:-Vrishaba HL:-Tula GL:-Kumba AL:-Kataka A6:-Mithuna

I was reading the Kalachakra dasa exchanges leisurely over this long weekend.

I noticed that we two have a small disagreement in the definition of Kalachakra

navamsa.In the Kalachakra navamsa chart I know, Venus in Poorva Phalguni 1st

pada is in Leo itself and not in Cancer as you wrote. When Parasara defined

navamsa chakra, he did not give the navamsa signs. He only gave the navamsa

lords!! For example, the rulers of the nine navamsas (nine nakshatra padas)

in Leo are Mars, Venus, Mercury, Moon, Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars and Jupiter.

In the normal navamsa chart, we take the nine navamsas in Leo to be Ar, Ta,

Ge, Cn, Le, Vi, Li, Sc and Sg. In Kalachakra navamsa, we take these nine

navamsas to be Sc, Li, Vi, Cn, Le, Ge, Ta, Ar and Pi (because Magha, Poorva

Phalguni and Uttara Phalguni are apasavya nakshatras). Both the ways,

Parasara's basic definition of navamsa holds true. In other words, the

non-cyclical Kalachakra navamsa chart is a variation of navamsa that, in my

humble opinion, was coverered by Parasara's basic navamsa definition!!! If you

correlate Parasara's basic definition of navamsa and his definition of

Kalachakra dasa signs, you will realize that they fit with each other.

Kalachakra dasa is based on Kalachakra navamsa chart, which is a non-cyclical

variation of navamsa based on the same basic navamsa definition of Parasara.

However, you cannot take Poorva Phalguni 1st pada in Cancer navamsa. It MUST be

Leo. Otherwise, you are breaking Parasara's basic definition of navamsa. The

5th navamsa (nakshatra pada) of Leo MUST be owned by Sun and not Moon,

according to Parasara. So Poorva Phalguni 1st pada MUST be in Leo in both

normal navamsa chart and Kalachakra navamsa chart. There is no other way. If

you do not accept this, the whole basis of mandooki and markati gati

disappears. Please reconsider your view. BTW, I get all other planets in the

same signs as you gave in Kalachakra Navamsa. We differ only on Venus. May

Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha

 

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