#3 Need to understand my spiritual trajectory

January 3, 2005

||| Hare Rama Krishna |||

Dear Prital, Saravana and List members, Namaskaar.

Allow me to share some of my understanding on the below…

To see where the person has come compared to the past, Prashna

(horary) is one technique used. Dr. B.V. Raman has authored 2 books on

the subject.

For those who have expired, a Punya Chakra (chart of time of demise)

can be used.

For other trends in spirituality, Drig Dasha can be used.

Here is a link on understanding a bit more on the Chara AtmaKaraka:

http://www..org/learn/ck.htm

There has been some discussion on the above, in the archives.

Hope some of this helps. Best wishes,

Nitin.

|| Namah Shivaaya ||

Seems like there are lot of people who have similar douibts what I have,

As self realization is the main motive of a humanbeing, can anyone

tell me from the astrology point of view ... HOW CAN WE JUDGE

SPIRITUAL GROWTH FROM THE HOROSCOPE OF A PERSON? .... How can the

present life be compared with the previous one and the next. I've been

studying the horoscope of saints like Paramhans Ramakrishna,

Vivekananda and many others .... but Is there any definite scientific

definition to describe it in astrological terms.

IS THERE ANY BOOK TO READ ON SPIRITUALITY IN ASTROLOGY.

Thanks and Regards

Saravana Kumar K

January 3, 2005

Dear Saravana Kumar K

No astrological tool can tell you how far you come spiritually.

Astrology can only tell your past, present and future, and also

whether you are currently pursuing a spiritual path or gross path.

Even if you are spiritual in this life, you might again go back to

materialism next life., After all we are all products of our

choices(thoughts)

But no technique can tell whether you have "evolved" or where you are

currently. People tend to assume that spirituality is a goal to be

reached, a laddu to be eaten. and the laddu is at some x kilometers

and at present we are at Y kilometers It is not that way. Self

realisation is not a goal or an end.

best wishes

partha

On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 20:40:31 -0000, Nitin <astronitin wrote:

>

> ||| Hare Rama Krishna |||

>

> Dear Prital, Saravana and List members, Namaskaar.

>

> Allow me to share some of my understanding on the belowâ€¦

>

> To see where the person has come compared to the past, Prashna

> (horary) is one technique used. Dr. B.V. Raman has authored 2 books on

> the subject.

>

> For those who have expired, a Punya Chakra (chart of time of demise)

> can be used.

>

> For other trends in spirituality, Drig Dasha can be used.

>

> Here is a link on understanding a bit more on the Chara AtmaKaraka:

> http://www..org/learn/ck.htm

>

> There has been some discussion on the above, in the archives.

>

> Hope some of this helps. Best wishes,

> Nitin.

>

> || Namah Shivaaya ||

>

> Seems like there are lot of people who have similar douibts what I have,

>

> As self realization is the main motive of a humanbeing, can anyone

> tell me from the astrology point of view ... HOW CAN WE JUDGE

> SPIRITUAL GROWTH FROM THE HOROSCOPE OF A PERSON? .... How can the

> present life be compared with the previous one and the next. I've been

> studying the horoscope of saints like Paramhans Ramakrishna,

> Vivekananda and many others .... but Is there any definite scientific

> definition to describe it in astrological terms.

>

> IS THERE ANY BOOK TO READ ON SPIRITUALITY IN ASTROLOGY.

>

> Thanks and Regards

>

> Saravana Kumar K

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

> Links

>

--

V.Partha Sarathy,

partvinu.tripod.com

All that we are is the result of what we have thought. If a man speaks

or acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a man speaks or

acts with a pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that

never leaves him.

-----Buddha

Plot.no.71

Road No.3

Nagarjuna Hills

Hyderabad

India-500 082

January 4, 2005

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Partha, Namaskar

If we can see that the person will achi[Visti]

eve Bhagavan-Darshan from the Rasi, see

whether they will get moksha or not from the Punya chart, or see whether their

Atma is moving on mukti-marga from the adhana chart, or if Garga cast the chart

of Sri Krishna, reading the omens and signs on his body and realized that he is

a Vishnu Avatara with Shodasa Kala, then what is it exactly that we cannot see

from Jyotish?

Maybe you are right and we are only able to

see the highlights or?

Best wishes,

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04 January 2005 05:57

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Dear Saravana Kumar K

No astrological tool can tell you how far you come

spiritually.

Astrology can only tell your past, present and

future, and also

whether you are currently pursuing a spiritual path

or gross path.

Even if you are spiritual in this life, you might

again go back to

materialism next life., After all we are all

products of our

choices(thoughts)

But no technique can tell whether you have

"evolved" or where you are

currently. People tend to assume that spirituality

is a goal to be

reached, a laddu to be eaten. and the laddu is at

some x kilometers

and at present we are at Y kilometers It is not

that way. Self

realisation is not a goal or an end.

best wishes

partha

On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 20:40:31 -0000, Nitin

<astronitin > wrote:

>

> ||| Hare Rama Krishna

|||

>

> Dear Prital, Saravana and List members,

Namaskaar.

>

> Allow me to share some of my understanding on

the below…

>

> To see where the person has come compared to

the past, Prashna

> (horary) is one technique used. Dr. B.V.

Raman has authored 2 books on

> the subject.

>

> For those who have expired, a Punya Chakra

(chart of time of demise)

> can be used.

>

> For other trends in spirituality, Drig Dasha

can be used.

>

> Here is a link on understanding a bit more on

the Chara AtmaKaraka:

> http://www..org/learn/ck.htm

>

> There has been some discussion on the above,

in the archives.

>

> Hope some of this helps. Best wishes,

> Nitin.

>

> || Namah Shivaaya ||

>

> Seems like there are lot of people who have

similar douibts what I have,

>

> As self realization is the main motive of a

humanbeing, can anyone

> tell me from the astrology point of view ...

HOW CAN WE JUDGE

> SPIRITUAL GROWTH FROM THE HOROSCOPE OF A

PERSON? .... How can the

> present life be compared with the previous

one and the next. I've been

> studying the horoscope of saints like

Paramhans Ramakrishna,

> Vivekananda and many others .... but Is there

any definite scientific

> definition to describe it in astrological

terms.

>

> IS THERE ANY BOOK TO READ ON SPIRITUALITY IN

ASTROLOGY.

>

> Thanks and Regards

>

> Saravana Kumar K

>

> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to

vedic astrology-

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us

........

>

> || Om

Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu ||

> Links

>

--

V.Partha Sarathy,

partvinu.tripod.com

All that we are is the result of what we have

thought. If a man speaks

or acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If

a man speaks or

acts with a pure thought, happiness follows him,

like a shadow that

never leaves him.

-----Buddha

Plot.no.71

Road No.3

Nagarjuna Hills

Hyderabad

India-500 082

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|| Om

Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu ||

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January 4, 2005

Thanks partha for your comments and Hi to all in the group,

You are right in saying that Astrology defines the past, present and

future of an entity. So, It should be able to say if you are living in

reality or in ignorance, for this is the state of the being, It should

be able to say what gunas are the entity endowed with (sattva, rajas

or tamas). for everything in the universe is defined by these 3 gunas.

The state of the mind, the desires what we have, the activities we

pursue all are modifications of the gunas, which should be defined by

Astrology. Im looking for fundalmental definitions in the Astrological

point of view. I know this is complex, but I feel it should exist for

Astrology is truth itself.

On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:26:57 +0530, Partha Sarathy <partvinu wrote:

>

> Dear Saravana Kumar K

>

> No astrological tool can tell you how far you come spiritually.

> Astrology can only tell your past, present and future, and also

> whether you are currently pursuing a spiritual path or gross path.

> Even if you are spiritual in this life, you might again go back to

> materialism next life., After all we are all products of our

> choices(thoughts)

> But no technique can tell whether you have "evolved" or where you are

> currently. People tend to assume that spirituality is a goal to be

> reached, a laddu to be eaten. and the laddu is at some x kilometers

> and at present we are at Y kilometers It is not that way. Self

> realisation is not a goal or an end.

>

> best wishes

> partha

>

> On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 20:40:31 -0000, Nitin <astronitin wrote:

> >

> > ||| Hare Rama Krishna |||

> >

> > Dear Prital, Saravana and List members, Namaskaar.

> >

> > Allow me to share some of my understanding on the belowâ€¦

> >

> > To see where the person has come compared to the past, Prashna

> > (horary) is one technique used. Dr. B.V. Raman has authored 2 books on

> > the subject.

> >

> > For those who have expired, a Punya Chakra (chart of time of demise)

> > can be used.

> >

> > For other trends in spirituality, Drig Dasha can be used.

> >

> > Here is a link on understanding a bit more on the Chara AtmaKaraka:

> > http://www..org/learn/ck.htm

> >

> > There has been some discussion on the above, in the archives.

> >

> > Hope some of this helps. Best wishes,

> > Nitin.

> >

> > || Namah Shivaaya ||

> >

> > Seems like there are lot of people who have similar douibts what I have,

> >

> > As self realization is the main motive of a humanbeing, can anyone

> > tell me from the astrology point of view ... HOW CAN WE JUDGE

> > SPIRITUAL GROWTH FROM THE HOROSCOPE OF A PERSON? .... How can the

> > present life be compared with the previous one and the next. I've been

> > studying the horoscope of saints like Paramhans Ramakrishna,

> > Vivekananda and many others .... but Is there any definite scientific

> > definition to describe it in astrological terms.

> >

> > IS THERE ANY BOOK TO READ ON SPIRITUALITY IN ASTROLOGY.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> >

> > Saravana Kumar K

> >

> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> >

> > Links

> >

>

> --

> V.Partha Sarathy,

> partvinu.tripod.com

>

> All that we are is the result of what we have thought. If a man speaks

> or acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a man speaks or

> acts with a pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that

> never leaves him.

> -----Buddha

>

> Plot.no.71

> Road No.3

> Nagarjuna Hills

> Hyderabad

> India-500 082

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

> Sponsor

>

> ________________________________

> Links

>

> vedic astrology/

>

> vedic astrology

>

--

Thanks and Regards

Saravana Kumar K

January 4, 2005

Dear Visti

Yes, we had used that to know different types of Darshan. I remember

an article , i think it was by Freedom which talked about Aurobindo's

darshan of Sri Krishna.

But is it really concrete?

Can we use such techniques to know the spiritual Index of a person.

Whether for guarantee a person can visit God.

All i want to know is "how many lives have i taken till now?"

WHat was I 10 lives back. What is my Kala, is it 1, or is it 10. What

is the Kala of well known spiritualists like Sri Ramakrishna or Sri

Lahiri Mahasaya.

We cannot predict whether a person will ultimately get Moksha or not,

or are you aware of such a technique? We can only talk of spiritual

path or material path. Even George W Bush jr has Ketu in 12th from

Karakamsa. ANd his Karakamsa is Meena. That should technically make

him very spiritual right? Atleast by the basics given by Jaimini?

Can we know what were the lokas that a person took birth in? using Jyotish??

If yes, when and how?

I am referring to Autobiography of a Yogi, where it is clearly

mentioned that people shuttle between astral Planes and Gross planes

like earth, till the earth Karma is relinquished. So it is not such a

linear path.

Hope i did not pose too many questions.

best wishes

partha

On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:15:08 +0100, Visti Larsen <visti wrote:

>

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Partha, Namaskar

>

> If we can see that the person will achi[Visti] eve Bhagavan-Darshan from the

> Rasi, see whether they will get moksha or not from the Punya chart, or see

> whether their Atma is moving on mukti-marga from the adhana chart, or if

> Garga cast the chart of Sri Krishna, reading the omens and signs on his body

> and realized that he is a Vishnu Avatara with Shodasa Kala, then what is it

> exactly that we cannot see from Jyotish?

>

> Maybe you are right and we are only able to see the highlights or?

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Visti Larsen

>

> http://srigaruda.com

>

> visti

>

> ________________________________

>

> Partha Sarathy [partvinu]

> 04 January 2005 05:57

> vedic astrology

> Re: [vedic astrology] #3 Need to understand my spiritual trajectory

>

> Dear Saravana Kumar K

>

> No astrological tool can tell you how far you come spiritually.

> Astrology can only tell your past, present and future, and also

> whether you are currently pursuing a spiritual path or gross path.

> Even if you are spiritual in this life, you might again go back to

> materialism next life., After all we are all products of our

> choices(thoughts)

> But no technique can tell whether you have "evolved" or where you are

> currently. People tend to assume that spirituality is a goal to be

> reached, a laddu to be eaten. and the laddu is at some x kilometers

> and at present we are at Y kilometers It is not that way. Self

> realisation is not a goal or an end.

>

> best wishes

> partha

>

> On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 20:40:31 -0000, Nitin <astronitin wrote:

> >

> > ||| Hare Rama Krishna |||

> >

> > Dear Prital, Saravana and List members, Namaskaar.

> >

> > Allow me to share some of my understanding on the belowâ€¦

> >

> > To see where the person has come compared to the past, Prashna

> > (horary) is one technique used. Dr. B.V. Raman has authored 2 books on

> > the subject.

> >

> > For those who have expired, a Punya Chakra (chart of time of demise)

> > can be used.

> >

> > For other trends in spirituality, Drig Dasha can be used.

> >

> > Here is a link on understanding a bit more on the Chara AtmaKaraka:

> > http://www..org/learn/ck.htm

> >

> > There has been some discussion on the above, in the archives.

> >

> > Hope some of this helps. Best wishes,

> > Nitin.

> >

> > || Namah Shivaaya ||

> >

> > Seems like there are lot of people who have similar douibts what I have,

> >

> > As self realization is the main motive of a humanbeing, can anyone

> > tell me from the astrology point of view ... HOW CAN WE JUDGE

> > SPIRITUAL GROWTH FROM THE HOROSCOPE OF A PERSON? .... How can the

> > present life be compared with the previous one and the next. I've been

> > studying the horoscope of saints like Paramhans Ramakrishna,

> > Vivekananda and many others .... but Is there any definite scientific

> > definition to describe it in astrological terms.

> >

> > IS THERE ANY BOOK TO READ ON SPIRITUALITY IN ASTROLOGY.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> >

> > Saravana Kumar K

> >

> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> >

> > Links

> >

>

> --

> V.Partha Sarathy,

> partvinu.tripod.com

>

> All that we are is the result of what we have thought. If a man speaks

> or acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a man speaks or

> acts with a pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that

> never leaves him.

> -----Buddha

>

> Plot.no.71

> Road No.3

> Nagarjuna Hills

> Hyderabad

> India-500 082

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

> ________________________________

> Links

>

> vedic astrology/

>

> vedic astrology

>

> ________________________________

> Links

>

> vedic astrology/

>

> vedic astrology

>

--

V.Partha Sarathy,

partvinu.tripod.com

All that we are is the result of what we have thought. If a man speaks

or acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a man speaks or

acts with a pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that

never leaves him.

-----Buddha

Plot.no.71

Road No.3

Nagarjuna Hills

Hyderabad

India-500 082

January 5, 2005

|| Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Partha, Namaskar

Parasara teaches that from the Drekkana of the stronger between Sun and

Moon, we can know the previous loka prior to birth from the rasi chart.

When we inquire from the puranas, we learn that everyone goes to Yama Loka

and there Yama decides our length of stay/punishment in the talas and

naraka, and then the atma goes to higher abodes (if deserving), after which

it is reborn in bhu loka - only here death can occur.

So the last loka prior to birth can be seen in the rasi chart - Guruji

taught this in his Saptaloka lecture in the US 2003. As for the exact stay

in each previous loka - this I haven't learnt anywhere.

Parasara talks about moksha from the karakamsa of the natal chart, however

he also talks about this from the death chart - also refer to Jataka

Parijata. Sanjayji also taught this in the US 2003, where he showed some

charts of people who had Yogas for moksha in their death chart, and those

who would go to some talas or narakas for punishment, and how long it would

take as well as the reason for such stay in those lokas, and the reason for

rebirth. So the future abodes and moksha can be determined from the death

chart with certainty - but not from the natal chart.

I can't tell you how many kalas you have - but I guess Garga could, so who

am I in comparisen? I'm just making a point. The two above points should

satisfy your questions regarding the previous and next abodes.

Best wishes,

Visti Larsen

visti

Partha Sarathy [partvinu]

05 January 2005 05:12

Visti Larsen

Cc: vedic astrology

Re: [vedic astrology] RE: #3 Need to understand my spiritual

trajectory

Dear Visti

Yes, we had used that to know different types of Darshan. I remember

an article , i think it was by Freedom which talked about Aurobindo's

darshan of Sri Krishna.

But is it really concrete?

Can we use such techniques to know the spiritual Index of a person.

Whether for guarantee a person can visit God.

All i want to know is "how many lives have i taken till now?"

WHat was I 10 lives back. What is my Kala, is it 1, or is it 10. What

is the Kala of well known spiritualists like Sri Ramakrishna or Sri

Lahiri Mahasaya.

We cannot predict whether a person will ultimately get Moksha or not,

or are you aware of such a technique? We can only talk of spiritual

path or material path. Even George W Bush jr has Ketu in 12th from

Karakamsa. ANd his Karakamsa is Meena. That should technically make

him very spiritual right? Atleast by the basics given by Jaimini?

Can we know what were the lokas that a person took birth in? using Jyotish??

If yes, when and how?

I am referring to Autobiography of a Yogi, where it is clearly

mentioned that people shuttle between astral Planes and Gross planes

like earth, till the earth Karma is relinquished. So it is not such a

linear path.

Hope i did not pose too many questions.

best wishes

partha

On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:15:08 +0100, Visti Larsen <visti

wrote:

>

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Partha, Namaskar

>

> If we can see that the person will achi[Visti] eve Bhagavan-Darshan from

the

> Rasi, see whether they will get moksha or not from the Punya chart, or see

> whether their Atma is moving on mukti-marga from the adhana chart, or if

> Garga cast the chart of Sri Krishna, reading the omens and signs on his

body

> and realized that he is a Vishnu Avatara with Shodasa Kala, then what is

it

> exactly that we cannot see from Jyotish?

>

> Maybe you are right and we are only able to see the highlights or?

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Visti Larsen

>

> http://srigaruda.com

>

> visti

>

> ________________________________

>

> Partha Sarathy [partvinu]

> 04 January 2005 05:57

> vedic astrology

> Re: [vedic astrology] #3 Need to understand my spiritual

trajectory

>

> Dear Saravana Kumar K

>

> No astrological tool can tell you how far you come spiritually.

> Astrology can only tell your past, present and future, and also

> whether you are currently pursuing a spiritual path or gross path.

> Even if you are spiritual in this life, you might again go back to

> materialism next life., After all we are all products of our

> choices(thoughts)

> But no technique can tell whether you have "evolved" or where you are

> currently. People tend to assume that spirituality is a goal to be

> reached, a laddu to be eaten. and the laddu is at some x kilometers

> and at present we are at Y kilometers It is not that way. Self

> realisation is not a goal or an end.

>

> best wishes

> partha

>

> On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 20:40:31 -0000, Nitin <astronitin wrote:

> >

> > ||| Hare Rama Krishna |||

> >

> > Dear Prital, Saravana and List members, Namaskaar.

> >

> > Allow me to share some of my understanding on the below.

> >

> > To see where the person has come compared to the past, Prashna

> > (horary) is one technique used. Dr. B.V. Raman has authored 2 books on

> > the subject.

> >

> > For those who have expired, a Punya Chakra (chart of time of demise)

> > can be used.

> >

> > For other trends in spirituality, Drig Dasha can be used.

> >

> > Here is a link on understanding a bit more on the Chara AtmaKaraka:

> > http://www..org/learn/ck.htm

> >

> > There has been some discussion on the above, in the archives.

> >

> > Hope some of this helps. Best wishes,

> > Nitin.

> >

> > || Namah Shivaaya ||

> >

> > Seems like there are lot of people who have similar douibts what I have,

> >

> > As self realization is the main motive of a humanbeing, can anyone

> > tell me from the astrology point of view ... HOW CAN WE JUDGE

> > SPIRITUAL GROWTH FROM THE HOROSCOPE OF A PERSON? .... How can the

> > present life be compared with the previous one and the next. I've been

> > studying the horoscope of saints like Paramhans Ramakrishna,

> > Vivekananda and many others .... but Is there any definite scientific

> > definition to describe it in astrological terms.

> >

> > IS THERE ANY BOOK TO READ ON SPIRITUALITY IN ASTROLOGY.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> >

> > Saravana Kumar K

> >

> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> >

> > Links

> >

>

> --

> V.Partha Sarathy,

> partvinu.tripod.com

>

> All that we are is the result of what we have thought. If a man speaks

> or acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a man speaks or

> acts with a pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that

> never leaves him.

> -----Buddha

>

> Plot.no.71

> Road No.3

> Nagarjuna Hills

> Hyderabad

> India-500 082

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

> ________________________________

> Links

>

> vedic astrology/

>

> vedic astrology

>

> ________________________________

> Links

>

> vedic astrology/

>

> vedic astrology

>

--

V.Partha Sarathy,

partvinu.tripod.com

All that we are is the result of what we have thought. If a man speaks

or acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a man speaks or

acts with a pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that

never leaves him.

-----Buddha

Plot.no.71

Road No.3

Nagarjuna Hills

Hyderabad

India-500 082

January 5, 2005

Dear Saravana,

IfÂ I may interject, astrology no doubt can indicate all that. I agree.

The problem is what is one's perception of one's own spirituality may

not match with what is recognized as spirituality by Vedic sciences

and sages. If this (perception of one's spirituality) is in line

with the modern 3 Hr. Kundalini jagrati classes, then Astrology would

not give an answer which would be found palatable by the querist.

Chandrashekhar.

Saravana Kumar wrote: