Text Book of Scientific Astrology by Shri P S Shastri

[Guest guest]

Namaste friends,

 

Such research should certainly be encouraged. However, I want to say one word of

caution as a traditionalist.

 

There will always be exceptions, but the general wisdom of Vedic astrologers is

that extra-Saturnine planets are useful at most in mundane astrology. However,

if one can find _consistently reproducible_ results in natal horoscopy, it is

great!

 

Within the teachings of Indian maharshis, there is much that we still have not

understood, let alone mastered. Just as it may be interesting to explore the

use of extra-Saturnine planets in natal horoscopy, so is it interesting to

explore the use of so many parameters taught by maharshis. The latter approach

may actually be more productive in terms of enabling consistent and

reproducible results. An example is special ascendants and upagrahas. Very few

people use them.

 

* * *

 

For example, Artha Prahara and Yamaghantaka are two upagrahas supposed to be

akin to Mercury and Jupiter respectively. Check their placement in the charts

of Dr. B.V. Raman, Sri K.N. Rao and Pt. Sanjay Rath. These are the three most

well-known Vedic astrology authors from the last 50-100 years.

 

You will be surprised to find that ALL THE THREE of them have Artha Prahara in

the 2nd house of speech and Yamaghantaka in the 3rd house of communications (in

rasi chart). Is that a coincidence or does it have a significance?!

 

Take another example. Many great spiritual teachers have Yamaghantaka or Upaketu

in lagna. For example, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, Ramakrishna Paramahansa

and Ganapathi Sachchidananda Muni have Yamaghantaka in lagna. Swami Muktananda

and Swami Shivananda have Upaketu in lagna. Are these coincidences or is there

some significance?!

 

If you want to experiment with upagrahas, please use my free software (see link

below). It gives upagrahas.

 

Whatever research one does, the key is consistency and replicability in the

principles found. We stand a better chance if we take advantage of the work

done by great men before us. There is A LOT in the teachings of maharshis that

we are yet to master.

 

* * *

 

BTW, today is a Shani Trayodasi. It is an auspicious day to pray to Saturn. You

can listen to a small mantra (Shani Gayatri) in my voice on my website at

 

http://www.vedicastrologer.org/mantras/sani_g.mp3

 

It is a small 17kB file.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,Narasimha

-------------------------------Free Jyotish

lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software

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> Do some solid work on it Shesh. So many in India who use it have promised to

produce research on it for even predictive purposes but have not given anything.

On this list there used to be a member from Colombia who used to use rather

harsh language. He often spoke of the use of these and gave as an instance the

degrees of Uranus at 24 degrees in Meena and Jupiter at 24 degrees in Karka in

my own horoscope and pointing it as very good for an astrological career. I do

not know.> What results do you attribute to Pluto in the ninth house and

Neptune in the eleventh house ?> > K.N.Rao.> > On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 Sesh

Venugopal wrote :> >> >I think all astrologers should use Uranus, Neptune,>

>and Pluto - if not in static analysis of potential,> >then at least in dynamic

analysis of timing by> >transits and progressions. They are invaluable - I>

>have many many experiences where using the outer> >planets gave striking

insight into the personality and> >events.> >> >Sesh> >> >--- "S. Venkatraman"

<svenkat52> wrote:> >> > >> > > Yesterday I was browsing through the above

book by> > > Shri Shastri in a> > > local bookshop. I found the book in 2

volumes to be> > > very good,> > > though a bit bulky. I almost bought the book

till I> > > found references> > > to Uranus and Neptune in the book. It is not

merely> > > indicating the> > > position of Uranus and Neptune in the charts

but> > > actually using them> > > in the analysis. Shri Shastri at several

places> > > makes statements> > > like , Moon is afflicted by Uranus etc.> > >>

> > That Shri Shastri, who has translated and commented> > > upon Brihat> > >

Jataka, Jaimini Sutra etc is an authority in> > > Jyotisha is beyond> > >

question. Still in his book he uses Uranus and> > > Neptune which the> > >

classics on Jyotisha have not found it necessary to> > > use.Is anyone> > >

aware of any research that Shastriji (or for that> > > matter any one> > >

else) has done in this regard? Has anyone read the> > > book and does> > >

Shastriji defend his use of Uranus and Neptune in> > > it?> > >> > > I would be

much obliged to be enlightened on this> > > matter. Many> > > thanks and

regards,> > >> > > Venkat

[Guest guest]

Dear Narasimhaji:

 

I personally feel that AP or YG on its own wont make someone as big a

personality like Sanjayji or Dr. Raman.

 

These extra saturnine planets are very slow moving and will stay in a

particular sign of zodiac for yrs and hence to there will millions of

birth during that time period. We cant generalize saying all will be

successful astrologers.

 

I have AP in 2nd house and YG in third too !!! Does that mean i will

be a great astrologer certainly not on the basis of upagrahas. However

presence of exalted jupiter in 2nd and dhimantah merc + sun in 3rd

would certainly take me to greater heights when appropriate dasha

arrives.

 

Like discussed earlier there is no provision for considering Upagraha

in vimshottati analysis and hence cant really time event unless we use

Narayana Sign dasa for the same.

 

The examples of great spiritual leaders which you have given, their

spirituality can be seen from navgrahas. So like said by Shri Rao that

if we can see something uniquely from Upagrahas and extra satrunine

planets than we do use them else Navgraha and Maharishis books satisfy

the purpose.

 

Hare Rama Krishna

 

Bharat

 

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:06:18 -0500, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

<pvr wrote:

> Namaste friends,

>

> Such research should certainly be encouraged. However, I want to say one

> word of caution as a traditionalist.

>

> There will always be exceptions, but the general wisdom of Vedic astrologers

> is that extra-Saturnine planets are useful at most in mundane astrology.

> However, if one can find _consistently reproducible_ results in natal

> horoscopy, it is great!

>

> Within the teachings of Indian maharshis, there is much that we still have

> not understood, let alone mastered. Just as it may be interesting to explore

> the use of extra-Saturnine planets in natal horoscopy, so is it interesting

> to explore the use of so many parameters taught by maharshis. The latter

> approach may actually be more productive in terms of enabling consistent and

> reproducible results. An example is special ascendants and upagrahas. Very

> few people use them.

>

> * * *

>

> For example, Artha Prahara and Yamaghantaka are two upagrahas supposed to be

> akin to Mercury and Jupiter respectively. Check their placement in the

> charts of Dr. B.V. Raman, Sri K.N. Rao and Pt. Sanjay Rath. These are the

> three most well-known Vedic astrology authors from the last 50-100 years.

>

> You will be surprised to find that ALL THE THREE of them have Artha Prahara

> in the 2nd house of speech and Yamaghantaka in the 3rd house of

> communications (in rasi chart). Is that a coincidence or does it have a

> significance?!

>

> Take another example. Many great spiritual teachers have Yamaghantaka or

> Upaketu in lagna. For example, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, Ramakrishna

> Paramahansa and Ganapathi Sachchidananda Muni have Yamaghantaka in lagna.

> Swami Muktananda and Swami Shivananda have Upaketu in lagna. Are these

> coincidences or is there some significance?!

>

> If you want to experiment with upagrahas, please use my free software (see

> link below). It gives upagrahas.

>

> Whatever research one does, the key is consistency and replicability in the

> principles found. We stand a better chance if we take advantage of the work

> done by great men before us. There is A LOT in the teachings of maharshis

> that we are yet to master.

>

> * * *

>

> BTW, today is a Shani Trayodasi. It is an auspicious day to pray to Saturn.

> You can listen to a small mantra (Shani Gayatri) in my voice on my website

> at

>

> http://www.vedicastrologer.org/mantras/sani_g.mp3

>

> It is a small 17kB file.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

> -------------------------------

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> -------------------------------

>

> > Do some solid work on it Shesh. So many in India who use it have

> promised to produce research on it for even predictive purposes but have not

> given anything. On this list there used to be a member from Colombia who

> used to use rather harsh language. He often spoke of the use of these and

> gave as an instance the degrees of Uranus at 24 degrees in Meena and Jupiter

> at 24 degrees in Karka in my own horoscope and pointing it as very good for

> an astrological career. I do not know.

> > What results do you attribute to Pluto in the ninth house and Neptune in

> the eleventh house ?

> >

> > K.N.Rao.

> >

> > On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 Sesh Venugopal wrote :

> > >

> > >I think all astrologers should use Uranus, Neptune,

> > >and Pluto - if not in static analysis of potential,

> > >then at least in dynamic analysis of timing by

> > >transits and progressions. They are invaluable - I

> > >have many many experiences where using the outer

> > >planets gave striking insight into the personality and

> > >events.

> > >

> > >Sesh

> > >

> > >--- "S. Venkatraman" <svenkat52> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Yesterday I was browsing through the above book by

> > > > Shri Shastri in a

> > > > local bookshop. I found the book in 2 volumes to be

> > > > very good,

> > > > though a bit bulky. I almost bought the book till I

> > > > found references

> > > > to Uranus and Neptune in the book. It is not merely

> > > > indicating the

> > > > position of Uranus and Neptune in the charts but

> > > > actually using them

> > > > in the analysis. Shri Shastri at several places

> > > > makes statements

> > > > like , Moon is afflicted by Uranus etc.

> > > >

> > > > That Shri Shastri, who has translated and commented

> > > > upon Brihat

> > > > Jataka, Jaimini Sutra etc is an authority in

> > > > Jyotisha is beyond

> > > > question. Still in his book he uses Uranus and

> > > > Neptune which the

> > > > classics on Jyotisha have not found it necessary to

> > > > use.Is anyone

> > > > aware of any research that Shastriji (or for that

> > > > matter any one

> > > > else) has done in this regard? Has anyone read the

> > > > book and does

> > > > Shastriji defend his use of Uranus and Neptune in

> > > > it?

> > > >

> > > > I would be much obliged to be enlightened on this

> > > > matter. Many

> > > > thanks and regards,

> > > >

> > > > Venkat

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

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[Guest guest]

Namaste Bharat ji,

 

> So like said by Shri Rao that> if we can see something uniquely from Upagrahas

and extra satrunine> planets than we do use them else Navgraha and Maharishis

books satisfy> the purpose.

 

I don't know why you are equating upagrahas with extra-Saturnine planets.

Upagrahas WERE mentioned by maharshis. Parasara has a section on upagrahas in

BPHS.

 

My only point is that research into the use of upagrahas may be more fruitful

than research into the use of extra-Saturnine planets. I was only ponting out

that there are many areas within the teachings of maharshis that we still have

to understand.

 

I didn't say AP and YG show success. I see success only from arudhas and never

from lagna. AP in 2nd and YG in 3rd from lagna could show certain aptitudes and

not necessarily success. But, isn't it interesting that upagrahas corresponding

to 2 planets important for astrology (Mercury and Jupiter) are placed in the

same houses for the three astrology authors I mentioned? Regarding you also

having the same combination, who knows what is in store for you? In any case, I

am only saying that research is needed.

 

Someone asked me to write more on upagrahas. Perhaps later. But do study the

classics. There are plenty of hints in classics. But the proof is in the

pudding. So try them in charts.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,Narasimha

-------------------------------Free Jyotish

lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software

(Windows):

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> Dear Narasimhaji:> > I personally feel that AP or YG on its own wont make

someone as big a> personality like Sanjayji or Dr. Raman.> > These extra

saturnine planets are very slow moving and will stay in a> particular sign of

zodiac for yrs and hence to there will millions of> birth during that time

period. We cant generalize saying all will be> successful astrologers.> > I

have AP in 2nd house and YG in third too !!! Does that mean i will> be a great

astrologer certainly not on the basis of upagrahas. However> presence of

exalted jupiter in 2nd and dhimantah merc + sun in 3rd> would certainly take me

to greater heights when appropriate dasha> arrives.> > Like discussed earlier

there is no provision for considering Upagraha> in vimshottati analysis and

hence cant really time event unless we use> Narayana Sign dasa for the same.> >

The examples of great spiritual leaders which you have given, their>

spirituality can be seen from navgrahas. So like said by Shri Rao that> if we

can see something uniquely from Upagrahas and extra satrunine> planets than we

do use them else Navgraha and Maharishis books satisfy> the purpose.> > Hare

Rama Krishna> > Bharat> > On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:06:18 -0500, Narasimha P.V.R.

Rao> <pvr@c...> wrote:> > Namaste friends,> > > > Such research should

certainly be encouraged. However, I want to say one> > word of caution as a

traditionalist.> > > > There will always be exceptions, but the general wisdom

of Vedic astrologers> > is that extra-Saturnine planets are useful at most in

mundane astrology.> > However, if one can find _consistently reproducible_

results in natal> > horoscopy, it is great!> > > > Within the teachings of

Indian maharshis, there is much that we still have> > not understood, let alone

mastered. Just as it may be interesting to explore> > the use of extra-Saturnine

planets in natal horoscopy, so is it interesting> > to explore the use of so

many parameters taught by maharshis. The latter> > approach may actually be

more productive in terms of enabling consistent and> > reproducible results. An

example is special ascendants and upagrahas. Very> > few people use them.> > >

> * * *> > > > For example, Artha Prahara and Yamaghantaka are

two upagrahas supposed to be> > akin to Mercury and Jupiter respectively. Check

their placement in the> > charts of Dr. B.V. Raman, Sri K.N. Rao and Pt. Sanjay

Rath. These are the> > three most well-known Vedic astrology authors from the

last 50-100 years.> > > > You will be surprised to find that ALL THE THREE of

them have Artha Prahara> > in the 2nd house of speech and Yamaghantaka in the

3rd house of> > communications (in rasi chart). Is that a coincidence or does

it have a> > significance?!> > > > Take another example. Many great spiritual

teachers have Yamaghantaka or> > Upaketu in lagna. For example, Swami

Chandrasekhara Saraswati, Ramakrishna> > Paramahansa and Ganapathi

Sachchidananda Muni have Yamaghantaka in lagna.> > Swami Muktananda and Swami

Shivananda have Upaketu in lagna. Are these> > coincidences or is there some

significance?!> > > > If you want to experiment with upagrahas, please use my

free software (see> > link below). It gives upagrahas.> > > > Whatever

research one does, the key is consistency and replicability in the> >

principles found. We stand a better chance if we take advantage of the work> >

done by great men before us. There is A LOT in the teachings of maharshis> >

that we are yet to master.> > > > * * *> > > > BTW, today is a

Shani Trayodasi. It is an auspicious day to pray to Saturn.> > You can listen

to a small mantra (Shani Gayatri) in my voice on my website> > at> > > >

http://www.vedicastrologer.org/mantras/sani_g.mp3> > > > It is a small 17kB

file.> > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,> > Narasimha > >

-------------------------------> > Free

Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > Free Jyotish

software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> >

-------------------------------> > > > > Do

some solid work on it Shesh. So many in India who use it have> > promised to

produce research on it for even predictive purposes but have not> > given

anything. On this list there used to be a member from Colombia who> > used to

use rather harsh language. He often spoke of the use of these and> > gave as an

instance the degrees of Uranus at 24 degrees in Meena and Jupiter> > at 24

degrees in Karka in my own horoscope and pointing it as very good for> > an

astrological career. I do not know.> > > What results do you attribute to Pluto

in the ninth house and Neptune in> > the eleventh house ?> > > > > > K.N.Rao.> >

> > > > On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 Sesh Venugopal wrote :> > > >> > > >I think all

astrologers should use Uranus, Neptune,> > > >and Pluto - if not in static

analysis of potential,> > > >then at least in dynamic analysis of timing by> >

> >transits and progressions. They are invaluable - I> > > >have many many

experiences where using the outer> > > >planets gave striking insight into the

personality and> > > >events.> > > >> > > >Sesh> > > >> > > >--- "S.

Venkatraman" <svenkat52> wrote:> > > >> > > > >> > > > > Yesterday I was

browsing through the above book by> > > > > Shri Shastri in a> > > > > local

bookshop. I found the book in 2 volumes to be> > > > > very good,> > > > >

though a bit bulky. I almost bought the book till I> > > > > found references>

> > > > to Uranus and Neptune in the book. It is not merely> > > > > indicating

the> > > > > position of Uranus and Neptune in the charts but> > > > > actually

using them> > > > > in the analysis. Shri Shastri at several places> > > > >

makes statements> > > > > like , Moon is afflicted by Uranus etc.> > > > >> > >

> > That Shri Shastri, who has translated and commented> > > > > upon Brihat> >

> > > Jataka, Jaimini Sutra etc is an authority in> > > > > Jyotisha is beyond>

> > > > question. Still in his book he uses Uranus and> > > > > Neptune which

the> > > > > classics on Jyotisha have not found it necessary to> > > > >

use.Is anyone> > > > > aware of any research that Shastriji (or for that> > > >

> matter any one> > > > > else) has done in this regard? Has anyone read the> >

> > > book and does> > > > > Shastriji defend his use of Uranus and Neptune in>

> > > > it?> > > > >> > > > > I would be much obliged to be enlightened on this>

> > > > matter. Many> > > > > thanks and regards,> > > > >> > > > > Venkat

[Guest guest]

Dear Narasimhaji

 

Thanks for your and explaination. I do agree for the need of research

on Upagrahas more as compared to Extra Saturnine planets. Infact it is

mentioned in Srimad Bhagwatam that the belt after saturn consists of

lokalok (mountains of gold) and hence the reflected rays from extra

saturnine planets dont always reach earth and hence navgrahas are

enough for all practical purposes.

 

However upagrahas do require more research and maybe i should take

upagrahas as my research topic for future cause. With the help of

learned members we are somewhat aware of how Gullika or Mandi

contributes. Your point on AP and YG does add up, however more is

required before we make any statement and we should all work towards

it.

 

Now something to think about is basic nature of upagrahas like mandi

and gullika are malefics....gullika is like a poison and is

particularly potent when combined with rahu or sun. I have seen couple

of charts where rahu+gullika in 9th house resulted in early death of

father.

 

So can we conclude that upagrahas have basic nature of parent planet

and also have dristi/exaltation/debilitation like parent planet ?

Please enlighten.

 

Hare Rama Krishna

 

Bharat

 

 

 

 

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:48:38 -0500, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

<pvr wrote:

> Namaste Bharat ji,

>

> > So like said by Shri Rao that

> > if we can see something uniquely from Upagrahas and extra satrunine

> > planets than we do use them else Navgraha and Maharishis books satisfy

> > the purpose.

>

> I don't know why you are equating upagrahas with extra-Saturnine planets.

> Upagrahas WERE mentioned by maharshis. Parasara has a section on upagrahas

> in BPHS.

>

> My only point is that research into the use of upagrahas may be more

> fruitful than research into the use of extra-Saturnine planets. I was only

> ponting out that there are many areas within the teachings of maharshis that

> we still have to understand.

>

> I didn't say AP and YG show success. I see success only from arudhas and

> never from lagna. AP in 2nd and YG in 3rd from lagna could show certain

> aptitudes and not necessarily success. But, isn't it interesting that

> upagrahas corresponding to 2 planets important for astrology (Mercury and

> Jupiter) are placed in the same houses for the three astrology authors I

> mentioned? Regarding you also having the same combination, who knows what is

> in store for you? In any case, I am only saying that research is needed.

>

> Someone asked me to write more on upagrahas. Perhaps later. But do study the

> classics. There are plenty of hints in classics. But the proof is in the

> pudding. So try them in charts.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

> -------------------------------

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> -------------------------------

> > Dear Narasimhaji:

> >

> > I personally feel that AP or YG on its own wont make someone as big a

> > personality like Sanjayji or Dr. Raman.

> >

> > These extra saturnine planets are very slow moving and will stay in a

> > particular sign of zodiac for yrs and hence to there will millions of

> > birth during that time period. We cant generalize saying all will be

> > successful astrologers.

> >

> > I have AP in 2nd house and YG in third too !!! Does that mean i will

> > be a great astrologer certainly not on the basis of upagrahas. However

> > presence of exalted jupiter in 2nd and dhimantah merc + sun in 3rd

> > would certainly take me to greater heights when appropriate dasha

> > arrives.

> >

> > Like discussed earlier there is no provision for considering Upagraha

> > in vimshottati analysis and hence cant really time event unless we use

> > Narayana Sign dasa for the same.

> >

> > The examples of great spiritual leaders which you have given, their

> > spirituality can be seen from navgrahas. So like said by Shri Rao that

> > if we can see something uniquely from Upagrahas and extra satrunine

> > planets than we do use them else Navgraha and Maharishis books satisfy

> > the purpose.

> >

> > Hare Rama Krishna

> >

> > Bharat

> >

> > On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:06:18 -0500, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

> > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > Namaste friends,

> > >

> > > Such research should certainly be encouraged. However, I want to say one

> > > word of caution as a traditionalist.

> > >

> > > There will always be exceptions, but the general wisdom of Vedic

> astrologers

> > > is that extra-Saturnine planets are useful at most in mundane astrology.

> > > However, if one can find _consistently reproducible_ results in natal

> > > horoscopy, it is great!

> > >

> > > Within the teachings of Indian maharshis, there is much that we still

> have

> > > not understood, let alone mastered. Just as it may be interesting to

> explore

> > > the use of extra-Saturnine planets in natal horoscopy, so is it

> interesting

> > > to explore the use of so many parameters taught by maharshis. The latter

> > > approach may actually be more productive in terms of enabling consistent

> and

> > > reproducible results. An example is special ascendants and upagrahas.

> Very

> > > few people use them.

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > For example, Artha Prahara and Yamaghantaka are two upagrahas supposed

> to be

> > > akin to Mercury and Jupiter respectively. Check their placement in the

> > > charts of Dr. B.V. Raman, Sri K.N. Rao and Pt. Sanjay Rath. These are

> the

> > > three most well-known Vedic astrology authors from the last 50-100

> years.

> > >

> > > You will be surprised to find that ALL THE THREE of them have Artha

> Prahara

> > > in the 2nd house of speech and Yamaghantaka in the 3rd house of

> > > communications (in rasi chart). Is that a coincidence or does it have a

> > > significance?!

> > >

> > > Take another example. Many great spiritual teachers have Yamaghantaka or

> > > Upaketu in lagna. For example, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati,

> Ramakrishna

> > > Paramahansa and Ganapathi Sachchidananda Muni have Yamaghantaka in

> lagna.

> > > Swami Muktananda and Swami Shivananda have Upaketu in lagna. Are these

> > > coincidences or is there some significance?!

> > >

> > > If you want to experiment with upagrahas, please use my free software

> (see

> > > link below). It gives upagrahas.

> > >

> > > Whatever research one does, the key is consistency and replicability in

> the

> > > principles found. We stand a better chance if we take advantage of the

> work

> > > done by great men before us. There is A LOT in the teachings of

> maharshis

> > > that we are yet to master.

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > BTW, today is a Shani Trayodasi. It is an auspicious day to pray to

> Saturn.

> > > You can listen to a small mantra (Shani Gayatri) in my voice on my

> website

> > > at

> > >

> > > http://www.vedicastrologer.org/mantras/sani_g.mp3

> > >

> > > It is a small 17kB file.

> > >

> > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > Narasimha

> > > -------------------------------

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> > >

> > > > Do some solid work on it Shesh. So many in India who use it have

> > > promised to produce research on it for even predictive purposes but have

> not

> > > given anything. On this list there used to be a member from Colombia who

> > > used to use rather harsh language. He often spoke of the use of these

> and

> > > gave as an instance the degrees of Uranus at 24 degrees in Meena and

> Jupiter

> > > at 24 degrees in Karka in my own horoscope and pointing it as very good

> for

> > > an astrological career. I do not know.

> > > > What results do you attribute to Pluto in the ninth house and Neptune

> in

> > > the eleventh house ?

> > > >

> > > > K.N.Rao.

> > > >

> > > > On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 Sesh Venugopal wrote :

> > > > >

> > > > >I think all astrologers should use Uranus, Neptune,

> > > > >and Pluto - if not in static analysis of potential,

> > > > >then at least in dynamic analysis of timing by

> > > > >transits and progressions. They are invaluable - I

> > > > >have many many experiences where using the outer

> > > > >planets gave striking insight into the personality and

> > > > >events.

> > > > >

> > > > >Sesh

> > > > >

> > > > >--- "S. Venkatraman" <svenkat52> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yesterday I was browsing through the above book by

> > > > > > Shri Shastri in a

> > > > > > local bookshop. I found the book in 2 volumes to be

> > > > > > very good,

> > > > > > though a bit bulky. I almost bought the book till I

> > > > > > found references

> > > > > > to Uranus and Neptune in the book. It is not merely

> > > > > > indicating the

> > > > > > position of Uranus and Neptune in the charts but

> > > > > > actually using them

> > > > > > in the analysis. Shri Shastri at several places

> > > > > > makes statements

> > > > > > like , Moon is afflicted by Uranus etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That Shri Shastri, who has translated and commented

> > > > > > upon Brihat

> > > > > > Jataka, Jaimini Sutra etc is an authority in

> > > > > > Jyotisha is beyond

> > > > > > question. Still in his book he uses Uranus and

> > > > > > Neptune which the

> > > > > > classics on Jyotisha have not found it necessary to

> > > > > > use.Is anyone

> > > > > > aware of any research that Shastriji (or for that

> > > > > > matter any one

> > > > > > else) has done in this regard? Has anyone read the

> > > > > > book and does

> > > > > > Shastriji defend his use of Uranus and Neptune in

> > > > > > it?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I would be much obliged to be enlightened on this

> > > > > > matter. Many

> > > > > > thanks and regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Venkat

>

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Dear Bharat,

I tend to agree with you. The so called extra saturnine planets could

modify the effects to some extent, no doubt, but not to great extent.

Chandrashekhar.

Bharat Vyas wrote:

Dear Narasimhaji:

I personally feel that AP or YG on its own wont make someone as big a

personality like Sanjayji or Dr. Raman.

These extra saturnine planets are very slow moving and will stay in a

particular sign of zodiac for yrs and hence to there will millions of

birth during that time period. We cant generalize saying all will be

successful astrologers.

I have AP in 2nd house and YG in third too !!! Does that mean i will

be a great astrologer certainly not on the basis of upagrahas. However

presence of exalted jupiter in 2nd and dhimantah merc + sun in 3rd

would certainly take me to greater heights when appropriate dasha

arrives.

Like discussed earlier there is no provision for considering Upagraha

in vimshottati analysis and hence cant really time event unless we use

Narayana Sign dasa for the same.

The examples of great spiritual leaders which you have given, their

spirituality can be seen from navgrahas. So like said by Shri Rao that

if we can see something uniquely from Upagrahas and extra satrunine

planets than we do use them else Navgraha and Maharishis books satisfy

the purpose.

Hare Rama Krishna

Bharat

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:06:18 -0500, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

<pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote:

> Namaste friends,

>

> Such research should certainly be encouraged. However, I want to

say one

> word of caution as a traditionalist.

>

> There will always be exceptions, but the general wisdom of Vedic

astrologers

> is that extra-Saturnine planets are useful at most in mundane

astrology.

> However, if one can find _consistently reproducible_ results in

natal

> horoscopy, it is great!

>

> Within the teachings of Indian maharshis, there is much that we

still have

> not understood, let alone mastered. Just as it may be interesting

to explore

> the use of extra-Saturnine planets in natal horoscopy, so is it

interesting

> to explore the use of so many parameters taught by maharshis. The

latter

> approach may actually be more productive in terms of enabling

consistent and

> reproducible results. An example is special ascendants and

upagrahas. Very

> few people use them.

>

> * * *

>

> For example, Artha Prahara and Yamaghantaka are two upagrahas

supposed to be

> akin to Mercury and Jupiter respectively. Check their placement in

the

> charts of Dr. B.V. Raman, Sri K.N. Rao and Pt. Sanjay Rath. These

are the

> three most well-known Vedic astrology authors from the last 50-100

years.

>

> You will be surprised to find that ALL THE THREE of them have

Artha Prahara

> in the 2nd house of speech and Yamaghantaka in the 3rd house of

> communications (in rasi chart). Is that a coincidence or does it

have a

> significance?!

>

> Take another example. Many great spiritual teachers have

Yamaghantaka or

> Upaketu in lagna. For example, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati,

Ramakrishna

> Paramahansa and Ganapathi Sachchidananda Muni have Yamaghantaka in

lagna.

> Swami Muktananda and Swami Shivananda have Upaketu in lagna. Are

these

> coincidences or is there some significance?!

>

> If you want to experiment with upagrahas, please use my free

software (see

> link below). It gives upagrahas.

>

> Whatever research one does, the key is consistency and

replicability in the

> principles found. We stand a better chance if we take advantage of

the work

> done by great men before us. There is A LOT in the teachings of

maharshis

> that we are yet to master.

>

> * * *

>

> BTW, today is a Shani Trayodasi. It is an auspicious day to pray

to Saturn.

> You can listen to a small mantra (Shani Gayatri) in my voice on my

website

> at

>

> http://www.vedicastrologer.org/mantras/sani_g.mp3

>

> It is a small 17kB file.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

> -------------------------------

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

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>

> > Do some solid work on it Shesh. So many in India who use it

have

> promised to produce research on it for even predictive purposes

but have not

> given anything. On this list there used to be a member from

Colombia who

> used to use rather harsh language. He often spoke of the use of

these and

> gave as an instance the degrees of Uranus at 24 degrees in Meena

and Jupiter

> at 24 degrees in Karka in my own horoscope and pointing it as very

good for

> an astrological career. I do not know.

> > What results do you attribute to Pluto in the ninth house and

Neptune in

> the eleventh house ?

> >

> > K.N.Rao.

> >

> > On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 Sesh Venugopal wrote :

> > >

> > >I think all astrologers should use Uranus, Neptune,

> > >and Pluto - if not in static analysis of potential,

> > >then at least in dynamic analysis of timing by

> > >transits and progressions. They are invaluable - I

> > >have many many experiences where using the outer

> > >planets gave striking insight into the personality and

> > >events.

> > >

> > >Sesh

> > >

> > >--- "S. Venkatraman" <svenkat52> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Yesterday I was browsing through the above book by

> > > > Shri Shastri in a

> > > > local bookshop. I found the book in 2 volumes to be

> > > > very good,

> > > > though a bit bulky. I almost bought the book till I

> > > > found references

> > > > to Uranus and Neptune in the book. It is not merely

> > > > indicating the

> > > > position of Uranus and Neptune in the charts but

> > > > actually using them

> > > > in the analysis. Shri Shastri at several places

> > > > makes statements

> > > > like , Moon is afflicted by Uranus etc.

> > > >

> > > > That Shri Shastri, who has translated and commented

> > > > upon Brihat

> > > > Jataka, Jaimini Sutra etc is an authority in

> > > > Jyotisha is beyond

> > > > question. Still in his book he uses Uranus and

> > > > Neptune which the

> > > > classics on Jyotisha have not found it necessary to

> > > > use.Is anyone

> > > > aware of any research that Shastriji (or for that

> > > > matter any one

> > > > else) has done in this regard? Has anyone read the

> > > > book and does

> > > > Shastriji defend his use of Uranus and Neptune in

> > > > it?

> > > >

> > > > I would be much obliged to be enlightened on this

> > > > matter. Many

> > > > thanks and regards,

> > > >

> > > > Venkat

>

>

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