Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Namasthe I fully agree with the observations. I would also add the 10th rasi, its Lord and the Navamsa. The Karma (ones work , command etc ) also should be powerfull as well as the Sun - Atmakaraka. Unless these two are aslo powerfull, the yogas given by other planets may be just a pipe dream. who is going to hear/obey/listen to ones words unless his 10th house id powerfull. what can one person gain if his atmakaraka is not powerfull ? Finally Moon is the beeja sakthi for all other planets. hence moon should be powerfull, expecially regarding ocult part. A person should be bold and capable (not physicaly) to handle the powers unknown. Just knowledge is not enough. Hence 10th, Sun and Moon should be powerfull. Suresh Babu. --- Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas wrote: > Dear All, > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > I will share some of my understanding on the > discussion of learning > astrology and for that matter any learning which is > initiated by the > free will of a person. > > I usually look at houses 2,5,8 and 11 for free-will > of an individual. > Of course we need to have a strong lagna lord and > lagna/paka lagna not > afflicted by malefics for doing some contructive > learning. If lagna is > forming Dhimantah than the individual has the > necessary intelligence > to pursue his interests. > > Also 2,5,8 and 11 form free-will of an individual > and hence if these > houses are strong the individual will find time to > pursue his > interests. Now natural benefics Jupiter, Venus, Merc > (Well-Placed) and > Moon(Waxing) in these houses will put an individual > onto the path of > learning. The lords of above mentioned houses if > natural benefics in > exaltation / mool-trikona / swakestra will put the > individual into > that art. > > 2nd house specifically shows astrology, it also > shows sixth sense of > an individual and also speech, the person is > satyavadi if benefics in > such houses and whatever he says tends to turn true. > We should look at > what planets are there and how the lord is placed to > confirm these. If > malefics the person is a liar and if benefics person > speaks truth, > talks about god. Also the kind of astrology this > person does is > indicated, we have all heard of people who can > predict using face > reading or just hearing voice of an individual for > example Yogi Karve, > people with strong 2nd house doesnt necessarily has > to learn astrology > as we are learning, over a period of time with > strong devotion to god > they can tap information from astral world. > > 5th house is more formal education of astrology, > presence of Jupiter, > Merc or Venus does signify learning of astrology, > also it signifies > deep interest in Mantra Sastra. The presence of > planets here show the > mantra devata for example venus would show goddess > laxmi. The person > with strong 5th house will invariably learn > astrology and mantra > sastra and his special ability will be recommending > remedies through > mantra. > > 8th house deals with mysticism, it includes > astrology, palmistry, > black magic etc. A person with strong 8th house > would invariably be > involved with these things but we have to very sure > of what kind of > planets are involved and where they are placed cause > we know the best > of jyotish (if benefics involved) come from this and > black magicians > and evil spirits (malefics involved) too comes from > this and hence we > have to be very careful and look at other > combinations in chart before > concluding the abilities. > > 11th house shows ur desire, your association, and is > also house of > gain. This house in its own wont show if you are > astrologer, however > its association with 2,5 and 8 would reveal a few > things also, it will > show what kind of lineage you are following in your > learnings. How > much support you will receive from others in your > learning process. > Generally we say all planets in 11th house are good > cause they will > end up giving something to planet but we have to see > at what expense. > > So a person with strong 2, 5, 8 and 11 will be get > on the path of > astrology if jupiter, mercury or venus is associated > with all 4 of > them. It signifies not only astrology but the > individual will have > knowledge of Gita, Sastras, Yoga and other spiritual > knowledge. Such a > person if he stays on the right path of God > Consciousness will > eventually be freed from the bondages of planets > cause planets just > indicate your karmic debts and once you have paid > your karmic debts > through different yogas as mentioned in Bhagwat > Gita, you will be > freed from the bondages of planets and you will be > forever be in > blissful state of god. > > This association with God can be seen from advanced > divisional charts. > The timing of when one reaches that blissful state > can be predicted. > But after that person as reached that state, no > planetary dasha or > transit can effect that individual cause he has > transcended the > physical plane guided by planets. He is in the > astral and casual plane > of existence which is not governed by planets but > rather god himself. > > So i would conclude that an individual must utilise > his free-will > indicated by 2, 5, 8 and 11. Learning astrology can > be a path to god > if one is sincere with his efforts and he can see > and judge what is > the message a particular planet is giving and use > his free-will to > grow. > > I have digressed from the topic i initially wanted > to write about, i > wanted to write about what makes one learn astrology > and which houses > signify it. No doubt houses 2, 5, 8 and 11 do so. > While writing about > that i got a deeper meaning of these houses and how > you can make your > free-will work for you. I know its not a well-edited > article but > nevertheless the message is to work on free-will. > > Thanks for reading and i open for constructive > discussions on > free-will, i am not the authority on it but we can > learn by sharing. > > Hare Krishna > > Bharat > > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:34:59 -0600, Satya S > Kolachina > <skolachi wrote: > > Dear friends, > > > > I am overwhelmed with the participation in my > question, and I thank everyone > > for sharing their opinions in this regard. > > > > Now I am summarizing the features that had > supported my astrology learning > > in this period, for everyone's benefit. > > > > (a) Mahadasha Lord is Kethu - conjunct with 8th > Lord in both raasi chart and > > navamsha chart (8th house signifies occult studies > including palmistry and > > astrology). > > (b) Kethu is also aspected by the 5th Lord on 1-7 > axis. > > © Kethu has aspect of retrograde Jupiter (Sri KN > Rao's literature supports > > this theory). > > (d) Anthardasha Lord is Venus - is posited in the > 5th house of poorva punya. > > > > I started learning Astrology and Palmistry at the > same time, during my > > Kethu-Venus period. > > > > Interestingly I can share another progress in my > life, during the same time > > - I started learning Indian Classical Carnatic > Music (Vocal) three years > === message truncated === Mail - now with 250MB free storage. 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Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 || Om Gurave Namah || Dear Friends, Bala Bhadras' Has treated this debate on 'Freewill and destiny' in an excellent manner in his "Hora Ratna". He has qouted from various authorities like Maharishis' word on this. It is a treat to read it. Warm Regards Sanjay P. vedic astrology, "Suresh Babu.A.G" <sureshbabuag> wrote: > Namasthe > > I fully agree with the observations. I would also add > the 10th rasi, its Lord and the Navamsa. The Karma > (ones work , command etc ) also should be powerfull as > well as the Sun - Atmakaraka. Unless these two are > aslo powerfull, the yogas given by other planets may > be just a pipe dream. who is going to hear/obey/listen > to ones words unless his 10th house id powerfull. what > can one person gain if his atmakaraka is not powerfull > ? > > Finally Moon is the beeja sakthi for all other > planets. hence moon should be powerfull, expecially > regarding ocult part. > > A person should be bold and capable (not physicaly) to > handle the powers unknown. Just knowledge is not > enough. > > Hence 10th, Sun and Moon should be powerfull. > > Suresh Babu. --- Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas@g...> wrote: > > > Dear All, > > > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > > > I will share some of my understanding on the > > discussion of learning > > astrology and for that matter any learning which is > > initiated by the > > free will of a person. > > > > I usually look at houses 2,5,8 and 11 for free-will > > of an individual. > > Of course we need to have a strong lagna lord and > > lagna/paka lagna not > > afflicted by malefics for doing some contructive > > learning. If lagna is > > forming Dhimantah than the individual has the > > necessary intelligence > > to pursue his interests. > > > > Also 2,5,8 and 11 form free-will of an individual > > and hence if these > > houses are strong the individual will find time to > > pursue his > > interests. Now natural benefics Jupiter, Venus, Merc > > (Well-Placed) and > > Moon(Waxing) in these houses will put an individual > > onto the path of > > learning. The lords of above mentioned houses if > > natural benefics in > > exaltation / mool-trikona / swakestra will put the > > individual into > > that art. > > > > 2nd house specifically shows astrology, it also > > shows sixth sense of > > an individual and also speech, the person is > > satyavadi if benefics in > > such houses and whatever he says tends to turn true. > > We should look at > > what planets are there and how the lord is placed to > > confirm these. If > > malefics the person is a liar and if benefics person > > speaks truth, > > talks about god. Also the kind of astrology this > > person does is > > indicated, we have all heard of people who can > > predict using face > > reading or just hearing voice of an individual for > > example Yogi Karve, > > people with strong 2nd house doesnt necessarily has > > to learn astrology > > as we are learning, over a period of time with > > strong devotion to god > > they can tap information from astral world. > > > > 5th house is more formal education of astrology, > > presence of Jupiter, > > Merc or Venus does signify learning of astrology, > > also it signifies > > deep interest in Mantra Sastra. The presence of > > planets here show the > > mantra devata for example venus would show goddess > > laxmi. The person > > with strong 5th house will invariably learn > > astrology and mantra > > sastra and his special ability will be recommending > > remedies through > > mantra. > > > > 8th house deals with mysticism, it includes > > astrology, palmistry, > > black magic etc. A person with strong 8th house > > would invariably be > > involved with these things but we have to very sure > > of what kind of > > planets are involved and where they are placed cause > > we know the best > > of jyotish (if benefics involved) come from this and > > black magicians > > and evil spirits (malefics involved) too comes from > > this and hence we > > have to be very careful and look at other > > combinations in chart before > > concluding the abilities. > > > > 11th house shows ur desire, your association, and is > > also house of > > gain. This house in its own wont show if you are > > astrologer, however > > its association with 2,5 and 8 would reveal a few > > things also, it will > > show what kind of lineage you are following in your > > learnings. How > > much support you will receive from others in your > > learning process. > > Generally we say all planets in 11th house are good > > cause they will > > end up giving something to planet but we have to see > > at what expense. > > > > So a person with strong 2, 5, 8 and 11 will be get > > on the path of > > astrology if jupiter, mercury or venus is associated > > with all 4 of > > them. It signifies not only astrology but the > > individual will have > > knowledge of Gita, Sastras, Yoga and other spiritual > > knowledge. Such a > > person if he stays on the right path of God > > Consciousness will > > eventually be freed from the bondages of planets > > cause planets just > > indicate your karmic debts and once you have paid > > your karmic debts > > through different yogas as mentioned in Bhagwat > > Gita, you will be > > freed from the bondages of planets and you will be > > forever be in > > blissful state of god. > > > > This association with God can be seen from advanced > > divisional charts. > > The timing of when one reaches that blissful state > > can be predicted. > > But after that person as reached that state, no > > planetary dasha or > > transit can effect that individual cause he has > > transcended the > > physical plane guided by planets. He is in the > > astral and casual plane > > of existence which is not governed by planets but > > rather god himself. > > > > So i would conclude that an individual must utilise > > his free-will > > indicated by 2, 5, 8 and 11. Learning astrology can > > be a path to god > > if one is sincere with his efforts and he can see > > and judge what is > > the message a particular planet is giving and use > > his free-will to > > grow. > > > > I have digressed from the topic i initially wanted > > to write about, i > > wanted to write about what makes one learn astrology > > and which houses > > signify it. No doubt houses 2, 5, 8 and 11 do so. > > While writing about > > that i got a deeper meaning of these houses and how > > you can make your > > free-will work for you. I know its not a well-edited > > article but > > nevertheless the message is to work on free-will. > > > > Thanks for reading and i open for constructive > > discussions on > > free-will, i am not the authority on it but we can > > learn by sharing. > > > > Hare Krishna > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:34:59 -0600, Satya S > > Kolachina > > <skolachi@h...> wrote: > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > I am overwhelmed with the participation in my > > question, and I thank everyone > > > for sharing their opinions in this regard. > > > > > > Now I am summarizing the features that had > > supported my astrology learning > > > in this period, for everyone's benefit. > > > > > > (a) Mahadasha Lord is Kethu - conjunct with 8th > > Lord in both raasi chart and > > > navamsha chart (8th house signifies occult studies > > including palmistry and > > > astrology). > > > (b) Kethu is also aspected by the 5th Lord on 1-7 > > axis. > > > © Kethu has aspect of retrograde Jupiter (Sri KN > > Rao's literature supports > > > this theory). > > > (d) Anthardasha Lord is Venus - is posited in the > > 5th house of poorva punya. > > > > > > I started learning Astrology and Palmistry at the > > same time, during my > > > Kethu-Venus period. > > > > > > Interestingly I can share another progress in my > > life, during the same time > > > - I started learning Indian Classical Carnatic > > Music (Vocal) three years > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > Mail - now with 250MB free storage. 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Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Dear Suresh: Hare Rama Krishna, Surely one needs to have a strong Sun, Moon and 10th house he wants to lead and show others the path. A strong atmakaraka would add to the overall picture. Also subtle things like aspect would cause a lot of things and physical perception of Arudha would show more things. If we closely observe the different houses and planets we can classify them into 4 category of Yogas as explained in Gita. Once we differentiate the houses into different Yogas we can precisely define the path for an individual. However we need to first classify atmakaraka and once there is a positive sign from there of a native's true desire than we can see what path he needs to undertake. For example we would put, Kendras into Karma Yoga; Trines as Bhakti Yoga, (6,8,12) as Rajya (Tapaswi) Yoga and 2,3,11 as Gyana Yoga. We can have natural karaka for different yogas and the how they perform. Also we can classify planets and AK into different Yogas and see how they work out. This theory is still in infant stage in my mind(dont know if somebody has worked in detail on classifying the planets and yogas). We can work further and see how it evolves. Maybe i can work on and present a paper at SJC but i would need some concrete examples to justify the research. Contributions from other members are welcome. Hare Krisna Bharat On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:27:25 -0800 (PST), Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Namasthe > > I fully agree with the observations. I would also add > the 10th rasi, its Lord and the Navamsa. The Karma > (ones work , command etc ) also should be powerfull as > well as the Sun - Atmakaraka. Unless these two are > aslo powerfull, the yogas given by other planets may > be just a pipe dream. who is going to hear/obey/listen > to ones words unless his 10th house id powerfull. what > can one person gain if his atmakaraka is not powerfull > ? > > Finally Moon is the beeja sakthi for all other > planets. hence moon should be powerfull, expecially > regarding ocult part. > > A person should be bold and capable (not physicaly) to > handle the powers unknown. Just knowledge is not > enough. > > Hence 10th, Sun and Moon should be powerfull. > > Suresh Babu. > > > --- Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas wrote: > > > Dear All, > > > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > > > I will share some of my understanding on the > > discussion of learning > > astrology and for that matter any learning which is > > initiated by the > > free will of a person. > > > > I usually look at houses 2,5,8 and 11 for free-will > > of an individual. > > Of course we need to have a strong lagna lord and > > lagna/paka lagna not > > afflicted by malefics for doing some contructive > > learning. If lagna is > > forming Dhimantah than the individual has the > > necessary intelligence > > to pursue his interests. > > > > Also 2,5,8 and 11 form free-will of an individual > > and hence if these > > houses are strong the individual will find time to > > pursue his > > interests. Now natural benefics Jupiter, Venus, Merc > > (Well-Placed) and > > Moon(Waxing) in these houses will put an individual > > onto the path of > > learning. The lords of above mentioned houses if > > natural benefics in > > exaltation / mool-trikona / swakestra will put the > > individual into > > that art. > > > > 2nd house specifically shows astrology, it also > > shows sixth sense of > > an individual and also speech, the person is > > satyavadi if benefics in > > such houses and whatever he says tends to turn true. > > We should look at > > what planets are there and how the lord is placed to > > confirm these. If > > malefics the person is a liar and if benefics person > > speaks truth, > > talks about god. Also the kind of astrology this > > person does is > > indicated, we have all heard of people who can > > predict using face > > reading or just hearing voice of an individual for > > example Yogi Karve, > > people with strong 2nd house doesnt necessarily has > > to learn astrology > > as we are learning, over a period of time with > > strong devotion to god > > they can tap information from astral world. > > > > 5th house is more formal education of astrology, > > presence of Jupiter, > > Merc or Venus does signify learning of astrology, > > also it signifies > > deep interest in Mantra Sastra. The presence of > > planets here show the > > mantra devata for example venus would show goddess > > laxmi. The person > > with strong 5th house will invariably learn > > astrology and mantra > > sastra and his special ability will be recommending > > remedies through > > mantra. > > > > 8th house deals with mysticism, it includes > > astrology, palmistry, > > black magic etc. A person with strong 8th house > > would invariably be > > involved with these things but we have to very sure > > of what kind of > > planets are involved and where they are placed cause > > we know the best > > of jyotish (if benefics involved) come from this and > > black magicians > > and evil spirits (malefics involved) too comes from > > this and hence we > > have to be very careful and look at other > > combinations in chart before > > concluding the abilities. > > > > 11th house shows ur desire, your association, and is > > also house of > > gain. This house in its own wont show if you are > > astrologer, however > > its association with 2,5 and 8 would reveal a few > > things also, it will > > show what kind of lineage you are following in your > > learnings. How > > much support you will receive from others in your > > learning process. > > Generally we say all planets in 11th house are good > > cause they will > > end up giving something to planet but we have to see > > at what expense. > > > > So a person with strong 2, 5, 8 and 11 will be get > > on the path of > > astrology if jupiter, mercury or venus is associated > > with all 4 of > > them. It signifies not only astrology but the > > individual will have > > knowledge of Gita, Sastras, Yoga and other spiritual > > knowledge. Such a > > person if he stays on the right path of God > > Consciousness will > > eventually be freed from the bondages of planets > > cause planets just > > indicate your karmic debts and once you have paid > > your karmic debts > > through different yogas as mentioned in Bhagwat > > Gita, you will be > > freed from the bondages of planets and you will be > > forever be in > > blissful state of god. > > > > This association with God can be seen from advanced > > divisional charts. > > The timing of when one reaches that blissful state > > can be predicted. > > But after that person as reached that state, no > > planetary dasha or > > transit can effect that individual cause he has > > transcended the > > physical plane guided by planets. He is in the > > astral and casual plane > > of existence which is not governed by planets but > > rather god himself. > > > > So i would conclude that an individual must utilise > > his free-will > > indicated by 2, 5, 8 and 11. Learning astrology can > > be a path to god > > if one is sincere with his efforts and he can see > > and judge what is > > the message a particular planet is giving and use > > his free-will to > > grow. > > > > I have digressed from the topic i initially wanted > > to write about, i > > wanted to write about what makes one learn astrology > > and which houses > > signify it. No doubt houses 2, 5, 8 and 11 do so. > > While writing about > > that i got a deeper meaning of these houses and how > > you can make your > > free-will work for you. I know its not a well-edited > > article but > > nevertheless the message is to work on free-will. > > > > Thanks for reading and i open for constructive > > discussions on > > free-will, i am not the authority on it but we can > > learn by sharing. > > > > Hare Krishna > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:34:59 -0600, Satya S > > Kolachina > > <skolachi wrote: > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > I am overwhelmed with the participation in my > > question, and I thank everyone > > > for sharing their opinions in this regard. > > > > > > Now I am summarizing the features that had > > supported my astrology learning > > > in this period, for everyone's benefit. > > > > > > (a) Mahadasha Lord is Kethu - conjunct with 8th > > Lord in both raasi chart and > > > navamsha chart (8th house signifies occult studies > > including palmistry and > > > astrology). > > > (b) Kethu is also aspected by the 5th Lord on 1-7 > > axis. > > > © Kethu has aspect of retrograde Jupiter (Sri KN > > Rao's literature supports > > > this theory). > > > (d) Anthardasha Lord is Venus - is posited in the > > 5th house of poorva punya. > > > > > > I started learning Astrology and Palmistry at the > > same time, during my > > > Kethu-Venus period. > > > > > > Interestingly I can share another progress in my > > life, during the same time > > > - I started learning Indian Classical Carnatic > > Music (Vocal) three years > > > === message truncated === > > > > Mail - now with 250MB free storage. 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Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Dear Bharathji, Do these principles make more sense when applied to a specific divisional chart (D20 or D24) more than the natal ? If so, which one would you recommend ? Also, how would you time "final emancipation", as you mentioned this in your writeup ? Thanks, Sesha. --- Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas wrote: > Dear Suresh: > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > Surely one needs to have a strong Sun, Moon and 10th > house he wants to > lead and show others the path. A strong atmakaraka > would add to the > overall picture. Also subtle things like aspect > would cause a lot of > things and physical perception of Arudha would show > more things. > > If we closely observe the different houses and > planets we can classify > them into 4 category of Yogas as explained in Gita. > Once we > differentiate the houses into different Yogas we can > precisely define > the path for an individual. However we need to first > classify > atmakaraka and once there is a positive sign from > there of a native's > true desire than we can see what path he needs to > undertake. > > For example we would put, Kendras into Karma Yoga; > Trines as Bhakti > Yoga, (6,8,12) as Rajya (Tapaswi) Yoga and 2,3,11 as > Gyana Yoga. We > can have natural karaka for different yogas and the > how they perform. > > Also we can classify planets and AK into different > Yogas and see how > they work out. This theory is still in infant stage > in my mind(dont > know if somebody has worked in detail on classifying > the planets and > yogas). We can work further and see how it evolves. > Maybe i can work > on and present a paper at SJC but i would need some > concrete examples > to justify the research. Contributions from other > members are welcome. > > Hare Krisna > > Bharat > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:27:25 -0800 (PST), Suresh > Babu.A.G > <sureshbabuag wrote: > > > > Namasthe > > > > I fully agree with the observations. I would also > add > > the 10th rasi, its Lord and the Navamsa. The Karma > > (ones work , command etc ) also should be > powerfull as > > well as the Sun - Atmakaraka. Unless these two are > > aslo powerfull, the yogas given by other planets > may > > be just a pipe dream. who is going to > hear/obey/listen > > to ones words unless his 10th house id powerfull. > what > > can one person gain if his atmakaraka is not > powerfull > > ? > > > > Finally Moon is the beeja sakthi for all other > > planets. hence moon should be powerfull, > expecially > > regarding ocult part. > > > > A person should be bold and capable (not > physicaly) to > > handle the powers unknown. Just knowledge is not > > enough. > > > > Hence 10th, Sun and Moon should be powerfull. > > > > Suresh Babu. > > > > > > --- Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas wrote: > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > > > > > I will share some of my understanding on the > > > discussion of learning > > > astrology and for that matter any learning which > is > > > initiated by the > > > free will of a person. > > > > > > I usually look at houses 2,5,8 and 11 for > free-will > > > of an individual. > > > Of course we need to have a strong lagna lord > and > > > lagna/paka lagna not > > > afflicted by malefics for doing some contructive > > > learning. If lagna is > > > forming Dhimantah than the individual has the > > > necessary intelligence > > > to pursue his interests. > > > > > > Also 2,5,8 and 11 form free-will of an > individual > > > and hence if these > > > houses are strong the individual will find time > to > > > pursue his > > > interests. Now natural benefics Jupiter, Venus, > Merc > > > (Well-Placed) and > > > Moon(Waxing) in these houses will put an > individual > > > onto the path of > > > learning. The lords of above mentioned houses if > > > natural benefics in > > > exaltation / mool-trikona / swakestra will put > the > > > individual into > > > that art. > > > > > > 2nd house specifically shows astrology, it also > > > shows sixth sense of > > > an individual and also speech, the person is > > > satyavadi if benefics in > > > such houses and whatever he says tends to turn > true. > > > We should look at > > > what planets are there and how the lord is > placed to > > > confirm these. If > > > malefics the person is a liar and if benefics > person > > > speaks truth, > > > talks about god. Also the kind of astrology this > > > person does is > > > indicated, we have all heard of people who can > > > predict using face > > > reading or just hearing voice of an individual > for > > > example Yogi Karve, > > > people with strong 2nd house doesnt necessarily > has > > > to learn astrology > > > as we are learning, over a period of time with > > > strong devotion to god > > > they can tap information from astral world. > > > > > > 5th house is more formal education of astrology, > > > presence of Jupiter, > > > Merc or Venus does signify learning of > astrology, > > > also it signifies > > > deep interest in Mantra Sastra. The presence of > > > planets here show the > > > mantra devata for example venus would show > goddess > > > laxmi. The person > > > with strong 5th house will invariably learn > > > astrology and mantra > > > sastra and his special ability will be > recommending > > > remedies through > > > mantra. > > > > > > 8th house deals with mysticism, it includes > > > astrology, palmistry, > > > black magic etc. A person with strong 8th house > > > would invariably be > > > involved with these things but we have to very > sure > > > of what kind of > > > planets are involved and where they are placed > cause > > > we know the best > > > of jyotish (if benefics involved) come from this > and > > > black magicians > > > and evil spirits (malefics involved) too comes > from > > > this and hence we > > > have to be very careful and look at other > > > combinations in chart before > > > concluding the abilities. > > > > > > 11th house shows ur desire, your association, > and is > > > also house of > > > gain. This house in its own wont show if you are > > > astrologer, however > === message truncated === Meet the all-new My - Try it today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Dear Sesha: Hare Rama Krishna: I think we need to apply these things in Natal Chart first and see the potentiality of it. Once we can establish a potential we can proceed to divisional charts and see how various yoga fructify. Talking about Moksha, it is mentioned in various classics that 12th house and Ketu are the chief players for attaining moksha so we look at Natal 12th house, natural 12th house pisces, its lord, planets placed in it and also the naksahtras involved. Regarding timing i dont feel vimshottari would be the best cause its more based on lagna or moon, so other rashi dasa like drig dasa or narayana dasa could be a better suit. Though we need to do more research into it. Looking at Karakamsa, 12th and 4th from it would signify start of ones spiritual quest and how well the planets are placed from there would signify the end. We know from Jaimini and examples of Yogananda, Swami Vivekananda and other spiritual leaders how karakamsa plays a major role. Ketu in 12th from karakamsa and exalted venus in 4th from same surely lead Yoganandaji to moksha. So i would say narayana dasa of 12th and 4th from karakamsa with strong planetary influence (benefics) would get one to commune with god. Once a individual has communed with god and attained the bliss, his physical journey is just meant for creating god awareness. Above are just some pointers we know about from Maharishis. I am sure there is lot to be explored. Please correct me if i am wrong. Hare Krishna Bharat On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:14:44 -0800 (PST), Sesha Mudumbi <mseshas wrote: > > > Dear Bharathji, > > Do these principles make more sense when applied to a > specific divisional chart (D20 or D24) more than the > natal ? If so, which one would you recommend ? > > Also, how would you time "final emancipation", as you > mentioned this in your writeup ? > > Thanks, > Sesha. > > --- Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas wrote: > > > Dear Suresh: > > > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > > > Surely one needs to have a strong Sun, Moon and 10th > > house he wants to > > lead and show others the path. A strong atmakaraka > > would add to the > > overall picture. Also subtle things like aspect > > would cause a lot of > > things and physical perception of Arudha would show > > more things. > > > > If we closely observe the different houses and > > planets we can classify > > them into 4 category of Yogas as explained in Gita. > > Once we > > differentiate the houses into different Yogas we can > > precisely define > > the path for an individual. However we need to first > > classify > > atmakaraka and once there is a positive sign from > > there of a native's > > true desire than we can see what path he needs to > > undertake. > > > > For example we would put, Kendras into Karma Yoga; > > Trines as Bhakti > > Yoga, (6,8,12) as Rajya (Tapaswi) Yoga and 2,3,11 as > > Gyana Yoga. We > > can have natural karaka for different yogas and the > > how they perform. > > > > Also we can classify planets and AK into different > > Yogas and see how > > they work out. This theory is still in infant stage > > in my mind(dont > > know if somebody has worked in detail on classifying > > the planets and > > yogas). We can work further and see how it evolves. > > Maybe i can work > > on and present a paper at SJC but i would need some > > concrete examples > > to justify the research. Contributions from other > > members are welcome. > > > > Hare Krisna > > > > Bharat > > > > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:27:25 -0800 (PST), Suresh > > Babu.A.G > > <sureshbabuag wrote: > > > > > > Namasthe > > > > > > I fully agree with the observations. I would also > > add > > > the 10th rasi, its Lord and the Navamsa. The Karma > > > (ones work , command etc ) also should be > > powerfull as > > > well as the Sun - Atmakaraka. Unless these two are > > > aslo powerfull, the yogas given by other planets > > may > > > be just a pipe dream. who is going to > > hear/obey/listen > > > to ones words unless his 10th house id powerfull. > > what > > > can one person gain if his atmakaraka is not > > powerfull > > > ? > > > > > > Finally Moon is the beeja sakthi for all other > > > planets. hence moon should be powerfull, > > expecially > > > regarding ocult part. > > > > > > A person should be bold and capable (not > > physicaly) to > > > handle the powers unknown. Just knowledge is not > > > enough. > > > > > > Hence 10th, Sun and Moon should be powerfull. > > > > > > Suresh Babu. > > > > > > > > > --- Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas wrote: > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > > > > > > > I will share some of my understanding on the > > > > discussion of learning > > > > astrology and for that matter any learning which > > is > > > > initiated by the > > > > free will of a person. > > > > > > > > I usually look at houses 2,5,8 and 11 for > > free-will > > > > of an individual. > > > > Of course we need to have a strong lagna lord > > and > > > > lagna/paka lagna not > > > > afflicted by malefics for doing some contructive > > > > learning. If lagna is > > > > forming Dhimantah than the individual has the > > > > necessary intelligence > > > > to pursue his interests. > > > > > > > > Also 2,5,8 and 11 form free-will of an > > individual > > > > and hence if these > > > > houses are strong the individual will find time > > to > > > > pursue his > > > > interests. Now natural benefics Jupiter, Venus, > > Merc > > > > (Well-Placed) and > > > > Moon(Waxing) in these houses will put an > > individual > > > > onto the path of > > > > learning. The lords of above mentioned houses if > > > > natural benefics in > > > > exaltation / mool-trikona / swakestra will put > > the > > > > individual into > > > > that art. > > > > > > > > 2nd house specifically shows astrology, it also > > > > shows sixth sense of > > > > an individual and also speech, the person is > > > > satyavadi if benefics in > > > > such houses and whatever he says tends to turn > > true. > > > > We should look at > > > > what planets are there and how the lord is > > placed to > > > > confirm these. If > > > > malefics the person is a liar and if benefics > > person > > > > speaks truth, > > > > talks about god. Also the kind of astrology this > > > > person does is > > > > indicated, we have all heard of people who can > > > > predict using face > > > > reading or just hearing voice of an individual > > for > > > > example Yogi Karve, > > > > people with strong 2nd house doesnt necessarily > > has > > > > to learn astrology > > > > as we are learning, over a period of time with > > > > strong devotion to god > > > > they can tap information from astral world. > > > > > > > > 5th house is more formal education of astrology, > > > > presence of Jupiter, > > > > Merc or Venus does signify learning of > > astrology, > > > > also it signifies > > > > deep interest in Mantra Sastra. The presence of > > > > planets here show the > > > > mantra devata for example venus would show > > goddess > > > > laxmi. The person > > > > with strong 5th house will invariably learn > > > > astrology and mantra > > > > sastra and his special ability will be > > recommending > > > > remedies through > > > > mantra. > > > > > > > > 8th house deals with mysticism, it includes > > > > astrology, palmistry, > > > > black magic etc. A person with strong 8th house > > > > would invariably be > > > > involved with these things but we have to very > > sure > > > > of what kind of > > > > planets are involved and where they are placed > > cause > > > > we know the best > > > > of jyotish (if benefics involved) come from this > > and > > > > black magicians > > > > and evil spirits (malefics involved) too comes > > from > > > > this and hence we > > > > have to be very careful and look at other > > > > combinations in chart before > > > > concluding the abilities. > > > > > > > > 11th house shows ur desire, your association, > > and is > > > > also house of > > > > gain. This house in its own wont show if you are > > > > astrologer, however > > > === message truncated === > > > > Meet the all-new My - Try it today! > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > Links > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Dear Sanjayji: Hare Rama Krishna Thanks for the reference given, will try to read into it. Bharat On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:33:42 -0000, sanjaychettiar <sanjaychettiar wrote: > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > Dear Friends, > Bala Bhadras' Has treated this debate on 'Freewill and > destiny' in an excellent manner in his "Hora Ratna". > He has qouted from various authorities like Maharishis' > word on this. It is a treat to read it. > > Warm Regards > Sanjay P. > > vedic astrology, "Suresh Babu.A.G" > <sureshbabuag> wrote: > > Namasthe > > > > I fully agree with the observations. I would also add > > the 10th rasi, its Lord and the Navamsa. The Karma > > (ones work , command etc ) also should be powerfull as > > well as the Sun - Atmakaraka. Unless these two are > > aslo powerfull, the yogas given by other planets may > > be just a pipe dream. who is going to hear/obey/listen > > to ones words unless his 10th house id powerfull. what > > can one person gain if his atmakaraka is not powerfull > > ? > > > > Finally Moon is the beeja sakthi for all other > > planets. hence moon should be powerfull, expecially > > regarding ocult part. > > > > A person should be bold and capable (not physicaly) to > > handle the powers unknown. Just knowledge is not > > enough. > > > > Hence 10th, Sun and Moon should be powerfull. > > > > Suresh Babu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas@g...> wrote: > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > > > > > I will share some of my understanding on the > > > discussion of learning > > > astrology and for that matter any learning which is > > > initiated by the > > > free will of a person. > > > > > > I usually look at houses 2,5,8 and 11 for free-will > > > of an individual. > > > Of course we need to have a strong lagna lord and > > > lagna/paka lagna not > > > afflicted by malefics for doing some contructive > > > learning. If lagna is > > > forming Dhimantah than the individual has the > > > necessary intelligence > > > to pursue his interests. > > > > > > Also 2,5,8 and 11 form free-will of an individual > > > and hence if these > > > houses are strong the individual will find time to > > > pursue his > > > interests. Now natural benefics Jupiter, Venus, Merc > > > (Well-Placed) and > > > Moon(Waxing) in these houses will put an individual > > > onto the path of > > > learning. The lords of above mentioned houses if > > > natural benefics in > > > exaltation / mool-trikona / swakestra will put the > > > individual into > > > that art. > > > > > > 2nd house specifically shows astrology, it also > > > shows sixth sense of > > > an individual and also speech, the person is > > > satyavadi if benefics in > > > such houses and whatever he says tends to turn true. > > > We should look at > > > what planets are there and how the lord is placed to > > > confirm these. If > > > malefics the person is a liar and if benefics person > > > speaks truth, > > > talks about god. Also the kind of astrology this > > > person does is > > > indicated, we have all heard of people who can > > > predict using face > > > reading or just hearing voice of an individual for > > > example Yogi Karve, > > > people with strong 2nd house doesnt necessarily has > > > to learn astrology > > > as we are learning, over a period of time with > > > strong devotion to god > > > they can tap information from astral world. > > > > > > 5th house is more formal education of astrology, > > > presence of Jupiter, > > > Merc or Venus does signify learning of astrology, > > > also it signifies > > > deep interest in Mantra Sastra. The presence of > > > planets here show the > > > mantra devata for example venus would show goddess > > > laxmi. The person > > > with strong 5th house will invariably learn > > > astrology and mantra > > > sastra and his special ability will be recommending > > > remedies through > > > mantra. > > > > > > 8th house deals with mysticism, it includes > > > astrology, palmistry, > > > black magic etc. A person with strong 8th house > > > would invariably be > > > involved with these things but we have to very sure > > > of what kind of > > > planets are involved and where they are placed cause > > > we know the best > > > of jyotish (if benefics involved) come from this and > > > black magicians > > > and evil spirits (malefics involved) too comes from > > > this and hence we > > > have to be very careful and look at other > > > combinations in chart before > > > concluding the abilities. > > > > > > 11th house shows ur desire, your association, and is > > > also house of > > > gain. This house in its own wont show if you are > > > astrologer, however > > > its association with 2,5 and 8 would reveal a few > > > things also, it will > > > show what kind of lineage you are following in your > > > learnings. How > > > much support you will receive from others in your > > > learning process. > > > Generally we say all planets in 11th house are good > > > cause they will > > > end up giving something to planet but we have to see > > > at what expense. > > > > > > So a person with strong 2, 5, 8 and 11 will be get > > > on the path of > > > astrology if jupiter, mercury or venus is associated > > > with all 4 of > > > them. It signifies not only astrology but the > > > individual will have > > > knowledge of Gita, Sastras, Yoga and other spiritual > > > knowledge. Such a > > > person if he stays on the right path of God > > > Consciousness will > > > eventually be freed from the bondages of planets > > > cause planets just > > > indicate your karmic debts and once you have paid > > > your karmic debts > > > through different yogas as mentioned in Bhagwat > > > Gita, you will be > > > freed from the bondages of planets and you will be > > > forever be in > > > blissful state of god. > > > > > > This association with God can be seen from advanced > > > divisional charts. > > > The timing of when one reaches that blissful state > > > can be predicted. > > > But after that person as reached that state, no > > > planetary dasha or > > > transit can effect that individual cause he has > > > transcended the > > > physical plane guided by planets. He is in the > > > astral and casual plane > > > of existence which is not governed by planets but > > > rather god himself. > > > > > > So i would conclude that an individual must utilise > > > his free-will > > > indicated by 2, 5, 8 and 11. Learning astrology can > > > be a path to god > > > if one is sincere with his efforts and he can see > > > and judge what is > > > the message a particular planet is giving and use > > > his free-will to > > > grow. > > > > > > I have digressed from the topic i initially wanted > > > to write about, i > > > wanted to write about what makes one learn astrology > > > and which houses > > > signify it. No doubt houses 2, 5, 8 and 11 do so. > > > While writing about > > > that i got a deeper meaning of these houses and how > > > you can make your > > > free-will work for you. I know its not a well-edited > > > article but > > > nevertheless the message is to work on free-will. > > > > > > Thanks for reading and i open for constructive > > > discussions on > > > free-will, i am not the authority on it but we can > > > learn by sharing. > > > > > > Hare Krishna > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:34:59 -0600, Satya S > > > Kolachina > > > <skolachi@h...> wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > > > I am overwhelmed with the participation in my > > > question, and I thank everyone > > > > for sharing their opinions in this regard. > > > > > > > > Now I am summarizing the features that had > > > supported my astrology learning > > > > in this period, for everyone's benefit. > > > > > > > > (a) Mahadasha Lord is Kethu - conjunct with 8th > > > Lord in both raasi chart and > > > > navamsha chart (8th house signifies occult studies > > > including palmistry and > > > > astrology). > > > > (b) Kethu is also aspected by the 5th Lord on 1-7 > > > axis. > > > > © Kethu has aspect of retrograde Jupiter (Sri KN > > > Rao's literature supports > > > > this theory). > > > > (d) Anthardasha Lord is Venus - is posited in the > > > 5th house of poorva punya. > > > > > > > > I started learning Astrology and Palmistry at the > > > same time, during my > > > > Kethu-Venus period. > > > > > > > > Interestingly I can share another progress in my > > > life, during the same time > > > > - I started learning Indian Classical Carnatic > > > Music (Vocal) three years > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail - now with 250MB free storage. 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Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Namasthe Vyas'Ji your observation is very interesting. Presently I am working on another area. But I suspect our paths may cross. At this point may I suggest just for thinking Your suggestion trines – Bhakti Yoga Bhakti Yoga invariably leads to Moksha through submission, vyragya etc . 5th house is considered Mantra Sthana and 9th house Upasana Sthana. If this aspect is taken Mantra in its literal meaning need not be bhakti oriented = Sri Krishna himself points out this in Geeta. While 12th house is related with Moksha. Hence my assumption is that shouldn't we consider 12th house along with 9th for Bhakti Yoga. I not sure whether my line of thinking is in line with yours. Kindly correct me on this. Comments from elders shall be enlightening. With Regards Suresh Babu --- Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas wrote: > Dear Suresh: > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > Surely one needs to have a strong Sun, Moon and 10th > house he wants to > lead and show others the path. A strong atmakaraka > would add to the > overall picture. Also subtle things like aspect > would cause a lot of > things and physical perception of Arudha would show > more things. > > If we closely observe the different houses and > planets we can classify > them into 4 category of Yogas as explained in Gita. > Once we > differentiate the houses into different Yogas we can > precisely define > the path for an individual. However we need to first > classify > atmakaraka and once there is a positive sign from > there of a native's > true desire than we can see what path he needs to > undertake. > > For example we would put, Kendras into Karma Yoga; > Trines as Bhakti > Yoga, (6,8,12) as Rajya (Tapaswi) Yoga and 2,3,11 as > Gyana Yoga. We > can have natural karaka for different yogas and the > how they perform. > > Also we can classify planets and AK into different > Yogas and see how > they work out. This theory is still in infant stage > in my mind(dont > know if somebody has worked in detail on classifying > the planets and > yogas). We can work further and see how it evolves. > Maybe i can work > on and present a paper at SJC but i would need some > concrete examples > to justify the research. Contributions from other > members are welcome. > > Hare Krisna > > Bharat > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:27:25 -0800 (PST), Suresh > Babu.A.G > <sureshbabuag wrote: > > > > Namasthe > > > > I fully agree with the observations. I would also > add > > the 10th rasi, its Lord and the Navamsa. The Karma > > (ones work , command etc ) also should be > powerfull as > > well as the Sun - Atmakaraka. Unless these two are > > aslo powerfull, the yogas given by other planets > may > > be just a pipe dream. who is going to > hear/obey/listen > > to ones words unless his 10th house id powerfull. > what > > can one person gain if his atmakaraka is not > powerfull > > ? > > > > Finally Moon is the beeja sakthi for all other > > planets. hence moon should be powerfull, > expecially > > regarding ocult part. > > > > A person should be bold and capable (not > physicaly) to > > handle the powers unknown. Just knowledge is not > > enough. > > > > Hence 10th, Sun and Moon should be powerfull. > > > > Suresh Babu. > > > > > > --- Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas wrote: > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > > > > > I will share some of my understanding on the > > > discussion of learning > > > astrology and for that matter any learning which > is > > > initiated by the > > > free will of a person. > > > > > > I usually look at houses 2,5,8 and 11 for > free-will > > > of an individual. > > > Of course we need to have a strong lagna lord > and > > > lagna/paka lagna not > > > afflicted by malefics for doing some contructive > > > learning. If lagna is > > > forming Dhimantah than the individual has the > > > necessary intelligence > > > to pursue his interests. > > > > > > Also 2,5,8 and 11 form free-will of an > individual > > > and hence if these > > > houses are strong the individual will find time > to > > > pursue his > > > interests. Now natural benefics Jupiter, Venus, > Merc > > > (Well-Placed) and > > > Moon(Waxing) in these houses will put an > individual > > > onto the path of > > > learning. The lords of above mentioned houses if > > > natural benefics in > > > exaltation / mool-trikona / swakestra will put > the > > > individual into > > > that art. > > > > > > 2nd house specifically shows astrology, it also > > > shows sixth sense of > > > an individual and also speech, the person is > > > satyavadi if benefics in > > > such houses and whatever he says tends to turn > true. > > > We should look at > > > what planets are there and how the lord is > placed to > > > confirm these. If > > > malefics the person is a liar and if benefics > person > > > speaks truth, > > > talks about god. Also the kind of astrology this > > > person does is > > > indicated, we have all heard of people who can > > > predict using face > > > reading or just hearing voice of an individual > for > > > example Yogi Karve, > > > people with strong 2nd house doesnt necessarily > has > > > to learn astrology > > > as we are learning, over a period of time with > > > strong devotion to god > > > they can tap information from astral world. > > > > > > 5th house is more formal education of astrology, > > > presence of Jupiter, > > > Merc or Venus does signify learning of > astrology, > > > also it signifies > > > deep interest in Mantra Sastra. The presence of > > > planets here show the > > > mantra devata for example venus would show > goddess > > > laxmi. The person > > > with strong 5th house will invariably learn > > > astrology and mantra > > > sastra and his special ability will be > recommending > > > remedies through > > > mantra. > > > > > > 8th house deals with mysticism, it includes > > > astrology, palmistry, > > > black magic etc. A person with strong 8th house > > > would invariably be > > > involved with these things but we have to very > sure > > > of what kind of > > > planets are involved and where they are placed > cause > > > we know the best > > > of jyotish (if benefics involved) come from this > and > > > black magicians > > > and evil spirits (malefics involved) too comes > from > > > this and hence we > > > have to be very careful and look at other > > > combinations in chart before > > > concluding the abilities. > > > > > > 11th house shows ur desire, your association, > and is > > > also house of > > > gain. This house in its own wont show if you are > > > astrologer, however > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Dear Bharatji, Thanks for the reply..I agree with the principles you mentioned, as I knew the same theories too. My questions are the following: 1. How would someone time in which life after current will a soul attain salvation Or atleast, roughly where the soul is in in its evolution. 2. What other combinations will ruin a good 12th from karakamsa and a good 4th from karakamsa (for ex, I have ketu in 12th, and guru-chandra (exalted) in 4th from karakamsa, I dont feel I am anywhere near salvation, although I am extremely interested in pursuing serious sadhana somewhere). 3. Would D20 analysis explain this ? 4. If D20 is the spiritual chart, why is the karakamsa studied from D9 ? I have wondered about this for a long time.. Would you know ? Thanks, Sesha. --- Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas wrote: > Dear Sesha: > > Hare Rama Krishna: > > I think we need to apply these things in Natal Chart > first and see the > potentiality of it. Once we can establish a > potential we can proceed > to divisional charts and see how various yoga > fructify. > > Talking about Moksha, it is mentioned in various > classics that 12th > house and Ketu are the chief players for attaining > moksha so we look > at Natal 12th house, natural 12th house pisces, its > lord, planets > placed in it and also the naksahtras involved. > > Regarding timing i dont feel vimshottari would be > the best cause its > more based on lagna or moon, so other rashi dasa > like drig dasa or > narayana dasa could be a better suit. Though we need > to do more > research into it. Looking at Karakamsa, 12th and 4th > from it would > signify start of ones spiritual quest and how well > the planets are > placed from there would signify the end. > > We know from Jaimini and examples of Yogananda, > Swami Vivekananda and > other spiritual leaders how karakamsa plays a major > role. Ketu in 12th > from karakamsa and exalted venus in 4th from same > surely lead > Yoganandaji to moksha. So i would say narayana dasa > of 12th and 4th > from karakamsa with strong planetary influence > (benefics) would get > one to commune with god. Once a individual has > communed with god and > attained the bliss, his physical journey is just > meant for creating > god awareness. > > Above are just some pointers we know about from > Maharishis. I am sure > there is lot to be explored. > > Please correct me if i am wrong. > > Hare Krishna > > Bharat > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:14:44 -0800 (PST), Sesha > Mudumbi > <mseshas wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bharathji, > > > > Do these principles make more sense when applied > to a > > specific divisional chart (D20 or D24) more than > the > > natal ? If so, which one would you recommend ? > > > > Also, how would you time "final emancipation", as > you > > mentioned this in your writeup ? > > > > Thanks, > > Sesha. > > > > --- Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas wrote: > > > > > Dear Suresh: > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > > > > > Surely one needs to have a strong Sun, Moon and > 10th > > > house he wants to > > > lead and show others the path. A strong > atmakaraka > > > would add to the > > > overall picture. Also subtle things like aspect > > > would cause a lot of > > > things and physical perception of Arudha would > show > > > more things. > > > > > > If we closely observe the different houses and > > > planets we can classify > > > them into 4 category of Yogas as explained in > Gita. > > > Once we > > > differentiate the houses into different Yogas we > can > > > precisely define > > > the path for an individual. However we need to > first > > > classify > > > atmakaraka and once there is a positive sign > from > > > there of a native's > > > true desire than we can see what path he needs > to > > > undertake. > > > > > > For example we would put, Kendras into Karma > Yoga; > > > Trines as Bhakti > > > Yoga, (6,8,12) as Rajya (Tapaswi) Yoga and > 2,3,11 as > > > Gyana Yoga. We > > > can have natural karaka for different yogas and > the > > > how they perform. > > > > > > Also we can classify planets and AK into > different > > > Yogas and see how > > > they work out. This theory is still in infant > stage > > > in my mind(dont > > > know if somebody has worked in detail on > classifying > > > the planets and > > > yogas). We can work further and see how it > evolves. > > > Maybe i can work > > > on and present a paper at SJC but i would need > some > > > concrete examples > > > to justify the research. Contributions from > other > > > members are welcome. > > > > > > Hare Krisna > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:27:25 -0800 (PST), Suresh > > > Babu.A.G > > > <sureshbabuag wrote: > > > > > > > > Namasthe > > > > > > > > I fully agree with the observations. I would > also > > > add > > > > the 10th rasi, its Lord and the Navamsa. The > Karma > > > > (ones work , command etc ) also should be > > > powerfull as > > > > well as the Sun - Atmakaraka. Unless these two > are > > > > aslo powerfull, the yogas given by other > planets > > > may > > > > be just a pipe dream. who is going to > > > hear/obey/listen > > > > to ones words unless his 10th house id > powerfull. > > > what > > > > can one person gain if his atmakaraka is not > > > powerfull > > > > ? > > > > > > > > Finally Moon is the beeja sakthi for all other > > > > planets. hence moon should be powerfull, > > > expecially > > > > regarding ocult part. > > > > > > > > A person should be bold and capable (not > > > physicaly) to > > > > handle the powers unknown. Just knowledge is > not > > > > enough. > > > > > > > > Hence 10th, Sun and Moon should be powerfull. > > > > > > > > Suresh Babu. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Dear Sesha: Comments inline On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:13:33 -0800 (PST), Sesha Mudumbi <mseshas wrote: > > Dear Bharatji, > > Thanks for the reply..I agree with the principles you > mentioned, as I knew the same theories too. My > questions are the following: > > 1. How would someone time in which life after current > will a soul attain salvation Or atleast, roughly where > the soul is in in its evolution. This one is a toughie !! I mean there is no meter for measuring spirituality of a person. Seemingly very spiritual person do at times turn out to hoax. Its very abstract and beyond the scope of human brain to comprehend only those who are spiritually enlighten can really see whats going on !! Even in Gita, Arjuna was perplexed when Lord Krishna said that he gave the art of Kriya Yoga to Vivitsu; Lord Krishna replied with " Only he knows the past, present and the future of every being ". There are charts you can cast like Punya Chart to see how the soul will migrate or will have rebirth. But its beyond my comprehension at this point of time to state anything astrologically. > 2. What other combinations will ruin a good 12th from > karakamsa and a good 4th from karakamsa (for ex, I > have ketu in 12th, and guru-chandra (exalted) in 4th > from karakamsa, I dont feel I am anywhere near > salvation, although I am extremely interested in > pursuing serious sadhana somewhere). I would say in addition to 12/4th from karakamsa, i would really like to see Karakamsa in trines of navamsa lagna. Also which planet is ur AK. How is AK related to Arudha Lagna in natal chart. Which rashi is involved with karakamsa and 12/4 from it and which graha are aspecting. Also we have to see the drig dasa cause the chart as such shows the reaction but unless (catalyst) dasha activates the reaction, there is only dormant desire to achieve it. Look at when ur drig dasa of 5, 9 or A5,A9 is starting. Please send me your chart will be interested for learning purposes if you dont mind. > 3. Would D20 analysis explain this ? Yeah D20 trines will help to explain some situations and we can apply all rashi/navmasa principles in D20 and further tune the readings. Also Narayana dasa of divisional chart is a powerful tool. > 4. If D20 is the spiritual chart, why is the karakamsa > studied from D9 ? I have wondered about this for a > long time.. Would you know ? D9 is the dharma chart and universally considered as most important chart for seeing the fructification of any yoga in horoscope. If a particular yoga is there in rashi chart but those planets afflicted in D9 its assumed nullified. I dont know the exact reason for it for spirituality all 3 charts should be considered. Hare Rama Krishna Bharat > Thanks, > Sesha. > > --- Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas wrote: > > > Dear Sesha: > > > > Hare Rama Krishna: > > > > I think we need to apply these things in Natal Chart > > first and see the > > potentiality of it. Once we can establish a > > potential we can proceed > > to divisional charts and see how various yoga > > fructify. > > > > Talking about Moksha, it is mentioned in various > > classics that 12th > > house and Ketu are the chief players for attaining > > moksha so we look > > at Natal 12th house, natural 12th house pisces, its > > lord, planets > > placed in it and also the naksahtras involved. > > > > Regarding timing i dont feel vimshottari would be > > the best cause its > > more based on lagna or moon, so other rashi dasa > > like drig dasa or > > narayana dasa could be a better suit. Though we need > > to do more > > research into it. Looking at Karakamsa, 12th and 4th > > from it would > > signify start of ones spiritual quest and how well > > the planets are > > placed from there would signify the end. > > > > We know from Jaimini and examples of Yogananda, > > Swami Vivekananda and > > other spiritual leaders how karakamsa plays a major > > role. Ketu in 12th > > from karakamsa and exalted venus in 4th from same > > surely lead > > Yoganandaji to moksha. So i would say narayana dasa > > of 12th and 4th > > from karakamsa with strong planetary influence > > (benefics) would get > > one to commune with god. Once a individual has > > communed with god and > > attained the bliss, his physical journey is just > > meant for creating > > god awareness. > > > > Above are just some pointers we know about from > > Maharishis. I am sure > > there is lot to be explored. > > > > Please correct me if i am wrong. > > > > Hare Krishna > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:14:44 -0800 (PST), Sesha > > Mudumbi > > <mseshas wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Bharathji, > > > > > > Do these principles make more sense when applied > > to a > > > specific divisional chart (D20 or D24) more than > > the > > > natal ? If so, which one would you recommend ? > > > > > > Also, how would you time "final emancipation", as > > you > > > mentioned this in your writeup ? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Sesha. > > > > > > --- Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Suresh: > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > > > > > > > Surely one needs to have a strong Sun, Moon and > > 10th > > > > house he wants to > > > > lead and show others the path. A strong > > atmakaraka > > > > would add to the > > > > overall picture. Also subtle things like aspect > > > > would cause a lot of > > > > things and physical perception of Arudha would > > show > > > > more things. > > > > > > > > If we closely observe the different houses and > > > > planets we can classify > > > > them into 4 category of Yogas as explained in > > Gita. > > > > Once we > > > > differentiate the houses into different Yogas we > > can > > > > precisely define > > > > the path for an individual. However we need to > > first > > > > classify > > > > atmakaraka and once there is a positive sign > > from > > > > there of a native's > > > > true desire than we can see what path he needs > > to > > > > undertake. > > > > > > > > For example we would put, Kendras into Karma > > Yoga; > > > > Trines as Bhakti > > > > Yoga, (6,8,12) as Rajya (Tapaswi) Yoga and > > 2,3,11 as > > > > Gyana Yoga. We > > > > can have natural karaka for different yogas and > > the > > > > how they perform. > > > > > > > > Also we can classify planets and AK into > > different > > > > Yogas and see how > > > > they work out. This theory is still in infant > > stage > > > > in my mind(dont > > > > know if somebody has worked in detail on > > classifying > > > > the planets and > > > > yogas). We can work further and see how it > > evolves. > > > > Maybe i can work > > > > on and present a paper at SJC but i would need > > some > > > > concrete examples > > > > to justify the research. Contributions from > > other > > > > members are welcome. > > > > > > > > Hare Krisna > > > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:27:25 -0800 (PST), Suresh > > > > Babu.A.G > > > > <sureshbabuag wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namasthe > > > > > > > > > > I fully agree with the observations. I would > > also > > > > add > > > > > the 10th rasi, its Lord and the Navamsa. The > > Karma > > > > > (ones work , command etc ) also should be > > > > powerfull as > > > > > well as the Sun - Atmakaraka. Unless these two > > are > > > > > aslo powerfull, the yogas given by other > > planets > > > > may > > > > > be just a pipe dream. who is going to > > > > hear/obey/listen > > > > > to ones words unless his 10th house id > > powerfull. > > > > what > > > > > can one person gain if his atmakaraka is not > > > > powerfull > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > Finally Moon is the beeja sakthi for all other > > > > > planets. hence moon should be powerfull, > > > > expecially > > > > > regarding ocult part. > > > > > > > > > > A person should be bold and capable (not > > > > physicaly) to > > > > > handle the powers unknown. Just knowledge is > > not > > > > > enough. > > > > > > > > > > Hence 10th, Sun and Moon should be powerfull. > > > > > > > > > > Suresh Babu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > Links > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Dear Suresh: Hare Rama Krishna: All the yogas ultimately lead to moksha, hence 12th has to be invariably involved. But 12th from what should be the question., Since we define lagna, Karakamsa, chandra lagna, sun lagna etc. Now when considering moksha, 12th from karakamsa seems to be the most logical cause its moksha of soul and not this physical body (rashi lagna) hence we should consider 12th from karakamsa. Now following Jaimini we naturally get 5th and 9th from Karakamsa as DharmaDevata and Guru Devata. So all our discussions should be with respect to Karakamsa. Now Bhakti Yoga is defined as "Always being in awareness or love of god" and by doing mantra we are doing precisely that, we are chanting gods name -- unlike Rajya Yoga of Pranayanam where we are focusing on breath so we are focussing on what we are taking in (2nd house) and what we are giving out (12th house), actual pranayam goal is minimize intake of breath hence we have to minimize 2nd and hence we can say 2/12th is more important in here. Hence i would say 5th to be involved with Bhakti --- ISKCON follows Bhakti Yoga and Prabhupada defines Bhakti to be Raja Yoga and they prescribe constant chanting of Maha-Mantra (5th house) and hence 5th with bhakti. We can draw analogies and verify it if they match with actuality; like for rectification of birth time for ISKCON devotee we see trines of D20 should contain moon. Bhakti Yoga and trines involved so i feel assured of trines for Bhakti Yoga. Hare Krishna Bharat On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:53:05 -0800 (PST), Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Namasthe > > Vyas'Ji your observation is very interesting. > Presently I am working on another area. But I suspect > our paths may cross. > > At this point may I suggest just for thinking > Your suggestion trines – Bhakti Yoga > Bhakti Yoga invariably leads to Moksha through > submission, vyragya etc . > 5th house is considered Mantra Sthana and 9th house > Upasana Sthana. If this aspect is taken Mantra in its > literal meaning need not be bhakti oriented = Sri > Krishna himself points out this in Geeta. While 12th > house is related with Moksha. Hence my assumption is > that shouldn't we consider 12th house along with 9th > for Bhakti Yoga. > > I not sure whether my line of thinking is in line with > yours. Kindly correct me on this. > > Comments from elders shall be enlightening. > > With Regards > Suresh Babu > > --- Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas wrote: > > > Dear Suresh: > > > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > > > Surely one needs to have a strong Sun, Moon and 10th > > house he wants to > > lead and show others the path. A strong atmakaraka > > would add to the > > overall picture. Also subtle things like aspect > > would cause a lot of > > things and physical perception of Arudha would show > > more things. > > > > If we closely observe the different houses and > > planets we can classify > > them into 4 category of Yogas as explained in Gita. > > Once we > > differentiate the houses into different Yogas we can > > precisely define > > the path for an individual. However we need to first > > classify > > atmakaraka and once there is a positive sign from > > there of a native's > > true desire than we can see what path he needs to > > undertake. > > > > For example we would put, Kendras into Karma Yoga; > > Trines as Bhakti > > Yoga, (6,8,12) as Rajya (Tapaswi) Yoga and 2,3,11 as > > Gyana Yoga. We > > can have natural karaka for different yogas and the > > how they perform. > > > > Also we can classify planets and AK into different > > Yogas and see how > > they work out. This theory is still in infant stage > > in my mind(dont > > know if somebody has worked in detail on classifying > > the planets and > > yogas). We can work further and see how it evolves. > > Maybe i can work > > on and present a paper at SJC but i would need some > > concrete examples > > to justify the research. Contributions from other > > members are welcome. > > > > Hare Krisna > > > > Bharat > > > > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:27:25 -0800 (PST), Suresh > > Babu.A.G > > <sureshbabuag wrote: > > > > > > Namasthe > > > > > > I fully agree with the observations. I would also > > add > > > the 10th rasi, its Lord and the Navamsa. The Karma > > > (ones work , command etc ) also should be > > powerfull as > > > well as the Sun - Atmakaraka. Unless these two are > > > aslo powerfull, the yogas given by other planets > > may > > > be just a pipe dream. who is going to > > hear/obey/listen > > > to ones words unless his 10th house id powerfull. > > what > > > can one person gain if his atmakaraka is not > > powerfull > > > ? > > > > > > Finally Moon is the beeja sakthi for all other > > > planets. hence moon should be powerfull, > > expecially > > > regarding ocult part. > > > > > > A person should be bold and capable (not > > physicaly) to > > > handle the powers unknown. Just knowledge is not > > > enough. > > > > > > Hence 10th, Sun and Moon should be powerfull. > > > > > > Suresh Babu. > > > > > > > > > --- Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas wrote: > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > > > > > > > I will share some of my understanding on the > > > > discussion of learning > > > > astrology and for that matter any learning which > > is > > > > initiated by the > > > > free will of a person. > > > > > > > > I usually look at houses 2,5,8 and 11 for > > free-will > > > > of an individual. > > > > Of course we need to have a strong lagna lord > > and > > > > lagna/paka lagna not > > > > afflicted by malefics for doing some contructive > > > > learning. If lagna is > > > > forming Dhimantah than the individual has the > > > > necessary intelligence > > > > to pursue his interests. > > > > > > > > Also 2,5,8 and 11 form free-will of an > > individual > > > > and hence if these > > > > houses are strong the individual will find time > > to > > > > pursue his > > > > interests. Now natural benefics Jupiter, Venus, > > Merc > > > > (Well-Placed) and > > > > Moon(Waxing) in these houses will put an > > individual > > > > onto the path of > > > > learning. The lords of above mentioned houses if > > > > natural benefics in > > > > exaltation / mool-trikona / swakestra will put > > the > > > > individual into > > > > that art. > > > > > > > > 2nd house specifically shows astrology, it also > > > > shows sixth sense of > > > > an individual and also speech, the person is > > > > satyavadi if benefics in > > > > such houses and whatever he says tends to turn > > true. > > > > We should look at > > > > what planets are there and how the lord is > > placed to > > > > confirm these. If > > > > malefics the person is a liar and if benefics > > person > > > > speaks truth, > > > > talks about god. Also the kind of astrology this > > > > person does is > > > > indicated, we have all heard of people who can > > > > predict using face > > > > reading or just hearing voice of an individual > > for > > > > example Yogi Karve, > > > > people with strong 2nd house doesnt necessarily > > has > > > > to learn astrology > > > > as we are learning, over a period of time with > > > > strong devotion to god > > > > they can tap information from astral world. > > > > > > > > 5th house is more formal education of astrology, > > > > presence of Jupiter, > > > > Merc or Venus does signify learning of > > astrology, > > > > also it signifies > > > > deep interest in Mantra Sastra. The presence of > > > > planets here show the > > > > mantra devata for example venus would show > > goddess > > > > laxmi. The person > > > > with strong 5th house will invariably learn > > > > astrology and mantra > > > > sastra and his special ability will be > > recommending > > > > remedies through > > > > mantra. > > > > > > > > 8th house deals with mysticism, it includes > > > > astrology, palmistry, > > > > black magic etc. A person with strong 8th house > > > > would invariably be > > > > involved with these things but we have to very > > sure > > > > of what kind of > > > > planets are involved and where they are placed > > cause > > > > we know the best > > > > of jyotish (if benefics involved) come from this > > and > > > > black magicians > > > > and evil spirits (malefics involved) too comes > > from > > > > this and hence we > > > > have to be very careful and look at other > > > > combinations in chart before > > > > concluding the abilities. > > > > > > > > 11th house shows ur desire, your association, > > and is > > > > also house of > > > > gain. This house in its own wont show if you are > > > > astrologer, however > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > Links > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Namathe Well explained. You have outlined the principles neatly and precisely. May I add: The path to salvation may take several births (Geetha) 12th also denotes the poorva janma. If we persue this argument, one can say that the person (Jevatma) has stated on the path of Moksha. The question as you said is when ? and when it shall frutify? This birth or next or which ? Some years back I had started research on the same subject but had to drop for lack of autheticity and adequate no of horoscopes to work on. It will be again interesting to work on the subject. I hope more and more learned members shall contribute With Regards Suresh --- Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas wrote: > Dear Sesha: > > Comments inline > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:13:33 -0800 (PST), Sesha > Mudumbi > <mseshas wrote: > > > > Dear Bharatji, > > > > Thanks for the reply..I agree with the principles > you > > mentioned, as I knew the same theories too. My > > questions are the following: > > > > 1. How would someone time in which life after > current > > will a soul attain salvation Or atleast, roughly > where > > the soul is in in its evolution. > > This one is a toughie !! I mean there is no meter > for measuring > spirituality of a person. Seemingly very spiritual > person do at times > turn out to hoax. Its very abstract and beyond the > scope of human > brain to comprehend only those who are spiritually > enlighten can > really see whats going on !! > > Even in Gita, Arjuna was perplexed when Lord Krishna > said that he gave > the art of Kriya Yoga to Vivitsu; Lord Krishna > replied with " Only he > knows the past, present and the future of every > being ". > > There are charts you can cast like Punya Chart to > see how the soul > will migrate or will have rebirth. But its beyond my > comprehension at > this point of time to state anything astrologically. > > > 2. What other combinations will ruin a good 12th > from > > karakamsa and a good 4th from karakamsa (for ex, I > > have ketu in 12th, and guru-chandra (exalted) in > 4th > > from karakamsa, I dont feel I am anywhere near > > salvation, although I am extremely interested in > > pursuing serious sadhana somewhere). > > I would say in addition to 12/4th from karakamsa, i > would really like > to see Karakamsa in trines of navamsa lagna. Also > which planet is ur > AK. How is AK related to Arudha Lagna in natal > chart. Which rashi is > involved with karakamsa and 12/4 from it and which > graha are > aspecting. > > Also we have to see the drig dasa cause the chart as > such shows the > reaction but unless (catalyst) dasha activates the > reaction, there is > only dormant desire to achieve it. Look at when ur > drig dasa of 5, 9 > or A5,A9 is starting. > > Please send me your chart will be interested for > learning purposes if > you dont mind. > > > 3. Would D20 analysis explain this ? > > Yeah D20 trines will help to explain some situations > and we can apply > all rashi/navmasa principles in D20 and further tune > the readings. > Also Narayana dasa of divisional chart is a powerful > tool. > > > 4. If D20 is the spiritual chart, why is the > karakamsa > > studied from D9 ? I have wondered about this for a > > long time.. Would you know ? > > D9 is the dharma chart and universally considered as > most important > chart for seeing the fructification of any yoga in > horoscope. If a > particular yoga is there in rashi chart but those > planets afflicted in > D9 its assumed nullified. I dont know the exact > reason for it for > spirituality all 3 charts should be considered. > > Hare Rama Krishna > > Bharat > > > Thanks, > > Sesha. > > > > --- Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas wrote: > > > > > Dear Sesha: > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna: > > > > > > I think we need to apply these things in Natal > Chart > > > first and see the > > > potentiality of it. Once we can establish a > > > potential we can proceed > > > to divisional charts and see how various yoga > > > fructify. > > > > > > Talking about Moksha, it is mentioned in various > > > classics that 12th > > > house and Ketu are the chief players for > attaining > > > moksha so we look > > > at Natal 12th house, natural 12th house pisces, > its > > > lord, planets > > > placed in it and also the naksahtras involved. > > > > > > Regarding timing i dont feel vimshottari would > be > > > the best cause its > > > more based on lagna or moon, so other rashi dasa > > > like drig dasa or > > > narayana dasa could be a better suit. Though we > need > > > to do more > > > research into it. Looking at Karakamsa, 12th and > 4th > > > from it would > > > signify start of ones spiritual quest and how > well > > > the planets are > > > placed from there would signify the end. > > > > > > We know from Jaimini and examples of Yogananda, > > > Swami Vivekananda and > > > other spiritual leaders how karakamsa plays a > major > > > role. Ketu in 12th > > > from karakamsa and exalted venus in 4th from > same > > > surely lead > > > Yoganandaji to moksha. So i would say narayana > dasa > > > of 12th and 4th > > > from karakamsa with strong planetary influence > > > (benefics) would get > > > one to commune with god. Once a individual has > > > communed with god and > > > attained the bliss, his physical journey is just > > > meant for creating > > > god awareness. > > > > > > Above are just some pointers we know about from > > > Maharishis. I am sure > > > there is lot to be explored. > > > > > > Please correct me if i am wrong. > > > > > > Hare Krishna > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:14:44 -0800 (PST), Sesha > > > Mudumbi > > > <mseshas wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bharathji, > > > > > > > > Do these principles make more sense when > applied > > > to a > > > > specific divisional chart (D20 or D24) more > than > > > the > > > > natal ? If so, which one would you recommend ? > > > > > > > > Also, how would you time "final emancipation", > as > > > you > === message truncated === Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile./maildemo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Namasthe. I do certainly agree with you on Karkamsa. But I must say I deffer on the aspect of dharmadevatha. This could be due to the different methods of analysis. I am from Kerala. Here we don't follow Jaimini Maharshi's Methods much. Though I have several works on the subject, I feel confortable with existing methods, May be more because Here in Kerala we have to deal with several deties, customes, traditions Here we take Dharma Devatha from 4th house - deties worshiped at home Grama Devatha - from the 7th house Guru from 9th house Ishta Devatha - 5th house Apart from this there is another concept of Kula Devatha - These are special deties worshiped by saraswath Brahmins Traditionaly since the time of Rishis for each Gotra (actually 8 in all) ex: Kula devatha of Kowndanya Gotra is Ramanath Santheri Kamaskshi In fact the discription of the detiey is like this "Lakshimarayanaschadyow Purathonandhikeswaraha" "Kamakshi dakshineyasya Santheri thasyavamathaha" "Anyathra Purusha savye vethala kalabhairava" "Rameswaram Ramanatham tham vande kula daivatham" Though there is no special methods for assertaining the kula devatha, I have formed a method, from the position of the planets (Clustering) and from 2nd house comparing with the description of Kula Devathas. After testing several horoscopes I have found this method works accurately. Apart from these we may have assertain certain other rituals followed by a family/person (Kudumba - Not the present definition of family), Upadevathas etc . In all these cases we have found that the Kerala methods give more accurate results. Honestly I have not gone deep into Jaimini's Methods. We all know Maharshi's cannot be wrong and what they have said is bound to be truth. We only have to understand it. It is 5.AM in the morning. Just out of curiosity may I ask where are staying? , for I did not expect your reply so late. I do work late. I find the night work is much more peacefull and rewarding. I realy must thank you for this valuable discussion. I have to take some rest for tommorrow is a very busy day for me. With Regards Suresh --- Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas wrote: > Dear Suresh: > > Hare Rama Krishna: > > All the yogas ultimately lead to moksha, hence 12th > has to be > invariably involved. But 12th from what should be > the question., Since > we define lagna, Karakamsa, chandra lagna, sun lagna > etc. > > Now when considering moksha, 12th from karakamsa > seems to be the most > logical cause its moksha of soul and not this > physical body (rashi > lagna) hence we should consider 12th from karakamsa. > Now following > Jaimini we naturally get 5th and 9th from Karakamsa > as DharmaDevata > and Guru Devata. So all our discussions should be > with respect to > Karakamsa. > > Now Bhakti Yoga is defined as "Always being in > awareness or love of > god" and by doing mantra we are doing precisely > that, we are chanting > gods name -- unlike Rajya Yoga of Pranayanam where > we are focusing on > breath so we are focussing on what we are taking in > (2nd house) and > what we are giving out (12th house), actual pranayam > goal is minimize > intake of breath hence we have to minimize 2nd and > hence we can say > 2/12th is more important in here. > > Hence i would say 5th to be involved with Bhakti --- > ISKCON follows > Bhakti Yoga and Prabhupada defines Bhakti to be Raja > Yoga and they > prescribe constant chanting of Maha-Mantra (5th > house) and hence 5th > with bhakti. > > We can draw analogies and verify it if they match > with actuality; like > for rectification of birth time for ISKCON devotee > we see trines of > D20 should contain moon. Bhakti Yoga and trines > involved so i feel > assured of trines for Bhakti Yoga. > > Hare Krishna > > Bharat > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:53:05 -0800 (PST), Suresh > Babu.A.G > <sureshbabuag wrote: > > > > Namasthe > > > > Vyas'Ji your observation is very interesting. > > Presently I am working on another area. But I > suspect > > our paths may cross. > > > > At this point may I suggest just for thinking > > Your suggestion trines – Bhakti Yoga > > Bhakti Yoga invariably leads to Moksha through > > submission, vyragya etc . > > 5th house is considered Mantra Sthana and 9th > house > > Upasana Sthana. If this aspect is taken Mantra in > its > > literal meaning need not be bhakti oriented = Sri > > Krishna himself points out this in Geeta. While > 12th > > house is related with Moksha. Hence my assumption > is > > that shouldn't we consider 12th house along with > 9th > > for Bhakti Yoga. > > > > I not sure whether my line of thinking is in line > with > > yours. Kindly correct me on this. > > > > Comments from elders shall be enlightening. > > > > With Regards > > Suresh Babu > > > > --- Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas wrote: > > > > > Dear Suresh: > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > > > > > Surely one needs to have a strong Sun, Moon and > 10th > > > house he wants to > > > lead and show others the path. A strong > atmakaraka > > > would add to the > > > overall picture. Also subtle things like aspect > > > would cause a lot of > > > things and physical perception of Arudha would > show > > > more things. > > > > > > If we closely observe the different houses and > > > planets we can classify > > > them into 4 category of Yogas as explained in > Gita. > > > Once we > > > differentiate the houses into different Yogas we > can > > > precisely define > > > the path for an individual. However we need to > first > > > classify > > > atmakaraka and once there is a positive sign > from > > > there of a native's > > > true desire than we can see what path he needs > to > > > undertake. > > > > > > For example we would put, Kendras into Karma > Yoga; > > > Trines as Bhakti > > > Yoga, (6,8,12) as Rajya (Tapaswi) Yoga and > 2,3,11 as > > > Gyana Yoga. We > > > can have natural karaka for different yogas and > the > > > how they perform. > > > > > > Also we can classify planets and AK into > different > > > Yogas and see how > > > they work out. This theory is still in infant > stage > > > in my mind(dont > > > know if somebody has worked in detail on > classifying > > > the planets and > > > yogas). We can work further and see how it > evolves. > > > Maybe i can work > > > on and present a paper at SJC but i would need > some > > > concrete examples > > > to justify the research. Contributions from > other > > > members are welcome. > > > > > > Hare Krisna > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:27:25 -0800 (PST), Suresh > > > Babu.A.G > > > <sureshbabuag wrote: > > > > > > > > Namasthe > > > > > > > > I fully agree with the observations. I would > also > > > add > > > > the 10th rasi, its Lord and the Navamsa. The > Karma > > > > (ones work , command etc ) also should be > > > powerfull as > > > > well as the Sun - Atmakaraka. Unless these two > are > > > > aslo powerfull, the yogas given by other > planets > > > may > > > > be just a pipe dream. who is going to > > > hear/obey/listen > > > > to ones words unless his 10th house id > powerfull. > > > what > > > > can one person gain if his atmakaraka is not > > > powerfull > > > > ? > > > > > > > > Finally Moon is the beeja sakthi for all other > > > > planets. hence moon should be powerfull, > > > expecially > > > > regarding ocult part. > > > > > > > > A person should be bold and capable (not > > > physicaly) to > > > > handle the powers unknown. Just knowledge is > not > === message truncated === Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail./mail_250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Dear Suresh: Precisely !! Our poorva janam is seen is 12th house and hence 12th from karakamsa also shows ur Ista Devata, its also the devata which will help us to get to moksha. Enlightened spiritual gurus doesnt even have to look upto horoscope to see our Ista, they can just see at ur soul and tell you which devata to follow. These enlightened spiritual gurus are the ones who can answer our other questions when ? How and where. No doubt astrology can do it but it needs a lot of expertise, also i would rather trust a spiritually enlightened than to trust any astrologer who i would hardly know. These decisions like i said are more astral and casual in nature and hence the final decision rests in the hand of parmatmaa and only a truly enlightened soul like Yoganandaji is authority when dealing with this. Hare Krishna Bharat On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:21:42 -0800 (PST), Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Namathe > > Well explained. You have outlined the principles > neatly and precisely. > > May I add: > The path to salvation may take several births (Geetha) > 12th also denotes the poorva janma. > If we persue this argument, one can say that the > person (Jevatma) has stated on the path of Moksha. > The question as you said is when ? and when it shall > frutify? This birth or next or which ? > > Some years back I had started research on the same > subject but had to drop for lack of autheticity and > adequate no of horoscopes to work on. > > It will be again interesting to work on the subject. > I hope more and more learned members shall contribute > > With Regards > Suresh > > > --- Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas wrote: > > > Dear Sesha: > > > > Comments inline > > > > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:13:33 -0800 (PST), Sesha > > Mudumbi > > <mseshas wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bharatji, > > > > > > Thanks for the reply..I agree with the principles > > you > > > mentioned, as I knew the same theories too. My > > > questions are the following: > > > > > > 1. How would someone time in which life after > > current > > > will a soul attain salvation Or atleast, roughly > > where > > > the soul is in in its evolution. > > > > This one is a toughie !! I mean there is no meter > > for measuring > > spirituality of a person. Seemingly very spiritual > > person do at times > > turn out to hoax. Its very abstract and beyond the > > scope of human > > brain to comprehend only those who are spiritually > > enlighten can > > really see whats going on !! > > > > Even in Gita, Arjuna was perplexed when Lord Krishna > > said that he gave > > the art of Kriya Yoga to Vivitsu; Lord Krishna > > replied with " Only he > > knows the past, present and the future of every > > being ". > > > > There are charts you can cast like Punya Chart to > > see how the soul > > will migrate or will have rebirth. But its beyond my > > comprehension at > > this point of time to state anything astrologically. > > > > > 2. What other combinations will ruin a good 12th > > from > > > karakamsa and a good 4th from karakamsa (for ex, I > > > have ketu in 12th, and guru-chandra (exalted) in > > 4th > > > from karakamsa, I dont feel I am anywhere near > > > salvation, although I am extremely interested in > > > pursuing serious sadhana somewhere). > > > > I would say in addition to 12/4th from karakamsa, i > > would really like > > to see Karakamsa in trines of navamsa lagna. Also > > which planet is ur > > AK. How is AK related to Arudha Lagna in natal > > chart. Which rashi is > > involved with karakamsa and 12/4 from it and which > > graha are > > aspecting. > > > > Also we have to see the drig dasa cause the chart as > > such shows the > > reaction but unless (catalyst) dasha activates the > > reaction, there is > > only dormant desire to achieve it. Look at when ur > > drig dasa of 5, 9 > > or A5,A9 is starting. > > > > Please send me your chart will be interested for > > learning purposes if > > you dont mind. > > > > > 3. Would D20 analysis explain this ? > > > > Yeah D20 trines will help to explain some situations > > and we can apply > > all rashi/navmasa principles in D20 and further tune > > the readings. > > Also Narayana dasa of divisional chart is a powerful > > tool. > > > > > 4. If D20 is the spiritual chart, why is the > > karakamsa > > > studied from D9 ? I have wondered about this for a > > > long time.. Would you know ? > > > > D9 is the dharma chart and universally considered as > > most important > > chart for seeing the fructification of any yoga in > > horoscope. If a > > particular yoga is there in rashi chart but those > > planets afflicted in > > D9 its assumed nullified. I dont know the exact > > reason for it for > > spirituality all 3 charts should be considered. > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > Bharat > > > > > Thanks, > > > Sesha. > > > > > > --- Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Sesha: > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna: > > > > > > > > I think we need to apply these things in Natal > > Chart > > > > first and see the > > > > potentiality of it. Once we can establish a > > > > potential we can proceed > > > > to divisional charts and see how various yoga > > > > fructify. > > > > > > > > Talking about Moksha, it is mentioned in various > > > > classics that 12th > > > > house and Ketu are the chief players for > > attaining > > > > moksha so we look > > > > at Natal 12th house, natural 12th house pisces, > > its > > > > lord, planets > > > > placed in it and also the naksahtras involved. > > > > > > > > Regarding timing i dont feel vimshottari would > > be > > > > the best cause its > > > > more based on lagna or moon, so other rashi dasa > > > > like drig dasa or > > > > narayana dasa could be a better suit. Though we > > need > > > > to do more > > > > research into it. Looking at Karakamsa, 12th and > > 4th > > > > from it would > > > > signify start of ones spiritual quest and how > > well > > > > the planets are > > > > placed from there would signify the end. > > > > > > > > We know from Jaimini and examples of Yogananda, > > > > Swami Vivekananda and > > > > other spiritual leaders how karakamsa plays a > > major > > > > role. Ketu in 12th > > > > from karakamsa and exalted venus in 4th from > > same > > > > surely lead > > > > Yoganandaji to moksha. So i would say narayana > > dasa > > > > of 12th and 4th > > > > from karakamsa with strong planetary influence > > > > (benefics) would get > > > > one to commune with god. Once a individual has > > > > communed with god and > > > > attained the bliss, his physical journey is just > > > > meant for creating > > > > god awareness. > > > > > > > > Above are just some pointers we know about from > > > > Maharishis. I am sure > > > > there is lot to be explored. > > > > > > > > Please correct me if i am wrong. > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna > > > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:14:44 -0800 (PST), Sesha > > > > Mudumbi > > > > <mseshas wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bharathji, > > > > > > > > > > Do these principles make more sense when > > applied > > > > to a > > > > > specific divisional chart (D20 or D24) more > > than > > > > the > > > > > natal ? If so, which one would you recommend ? > > > > > > > > > > Also, how would you time "final emancipation", > > as > > > > you > > > === message truncated === > > > > Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. > http://mobile./maildemo > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > Links > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Dear Suresh: Thanks for explaining the results according to Kerala system. I was thinking all the way while reading your mail is that Maharishis cannot be wrong. I am glad you accepted and appreciated the works of Jaimini and not condemn it as some fanatics might do. Its really nice to share different techniques and make our study stronger, though if one sticks to and completely understands one system in a life time would be a great achievement. I am in Canada and my major learning is through net and forums. I am planning on buying 3 volumes of Deva Keralam so than maybe i could talk to you in ur language. It nice discussing with you too and have a nice day. Hare Rama Krishna Bharat On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:31:47 -0800 (PST), Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Namasthe. > > I do certainly agree with you on Karkamsa. But I must > say I deffer on the aspect of dharmadevatha. This > could be due to the different methods of analysis. I > am from Kerala. Here we don't follow Jaimini > Maharshi's Methods much. > > Though I have several works on the subject, I feel > confortable with existing methods, May be more because > Here in Kerala we have to deal with several deties, > customes, traditions > Here we take > Dharma Devatha from 4th house - deties worshiped at > home > Grama Devatha - from the 7th house > Guru from 9th house > Ishta Devatha - 5th house > > Apart from this there is another concept of Kula > Devatha - These are special deties worshiped by > saraswath Brahmins Traditionaly since the time of > Rishis for each Gotra (actually 8 in all) > ex: Kula devatha of Kowndanya Gotra is Ramanath > Santheri Kamaskshi > In fact the discription of the detiey is like this > > "Lakshimarayanaschadyow Purathonandhikeswaraha" > "Kamakshi dakshineyasya Santheri thasyavamathaha" > "Anyathra Purusha savye vethala kalabhairava" > "Rameswaram Ramanatham tham vande kula daivatham" > > Though there is no special methods for assertaining > the kula devatha, I have formed a method, from the > position of the planets (Clustering) and from 2nd > house comparing with the description of Kula > Devathas. After testing several horoscopes I have > found this method works accurately. > > Apart from these we may have assertain certain other > rituals followed by a family/person (Kudumba - Not the > present definition of family), Upadevathas etc . > > In all these cases we have found that the Kerala > methods give more accurate results. > > Honestly I have not gone deep into Jaimini's Methods. > We all know Maharshi's cannot be wrong and what they > have said is bound to be truth. We only have to > understand it. > > It is 5.AM in the morning. Just out of curiosity may I > ask where are staying? , for I did not expect your > reply so late. I do work late. I find the night work > is much more peacefull and rewarding. > > I realy must thank you for this valuable discussion. I > have to take some rest for tommorrow is a very busy > day for me. > > With Regards > Suresh > > > --- Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas wrote: > > > Dear Suresh: > > > > Hare Rama Krishna: > > > > All the yogas ultimately lead to moksha, hence 12th > > has to be > > invariably involved. But 12th from what should be > > the question., Since > > we define lagna, Karakamsa, chandra lagna, sun lagna > > etc. > > > > Now when considering moksha, 12th from karakamsa > > seems to be the most > > logical cause its moksha of soul and not this > > physical body (rashi > > lagna) hence we should consider 12th from karakamsa. > > Now following > > Jaimini we naturally get 5th and 9th from Karakamsa > > as DharmaDevata > > and Guru Devata. So all our discussions should be > > with respect to > > Karakamsa. > > > > Now Bhakti Yoga is defined as "Always being in > > awareness or love of > > god" and by doing mantra we are doing precisely > > that, we are chanting > > gods name -- unlike Rajya Yoga of Pranayanam where > > we are focusing on > > breath so we are focussing on what we are taking in > > (2nd house) and > > what we are giving out (12th house), actual pranayam > > goal is minimize > > intake of breath hence we have to minimize 2nd and > > hence we can say > > 2/12th is more important in here. > > > > Hence i would say 5th to be involved with Bhakti --- > > ISKCON follows > > Bhakti Yoga and Prabhupada defines Bhakti to be Raja > > Yoga and they > > prescribe constant chanting of Maha-Mantra (5th > > house) and hence 5th > > with bhakti. > > > > We can draw analogies and verify it if they match > > with actuality; like > > for rectification of birth time for ISKCON devotee > > we see trines of > > D20 should contain moon. Bhakti Yoga and trines > > involved so i feel > > assured of trines for Bhakti Yoga. > > > > Hare Krishna > > > > Bharat > > > > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:53:05 -0800 (PST), Suresh > > Babu.A.G > > <sureshbabuag wrote: > > > > > > Namasthe > > > > > > Vyas'Ji your observation is very interesting. > > > Presently I am working on another area. But I > > suspect > > > our paths may cross. > > > > > > At this point may I suggest just for thinking > > > Your suggestion trines â€" Bhakti Yoga > > > Bhakti Yoga invariably leads to Moksha through > > > submission, vyragya etc . > > > 5th house is considered Mantra Sthana and 9th > > house > > > Upasana Sthana. If this aspect is taken Mantra in > > its > > > literal meaning need not be bhakti oriented = Sri > > > Krishna himself points out this in Geeta. While > > 12th > > > house is related with Moksha. Hence my assumption > > is > > > that shouldn't we consider 12th house along with > > 9th > > > for Bhakti Yoga. > > > > > > I not sure whether my line of thinking is in line > > with > > > yours. Kindly correct me on this. > > > > > > Comments from elders shall be enlightening. > > > > > > With Regards > > > Suresh Babu > > > > > > --- Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Suresh: > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > > > > > > > Surely one needs to have a strong Sun, Moon and > > 10th > > > > house he wants to > > > > lead and show others the path. A strong > > atmakaraka > > > > would add to the > > > > overall picture. Also subtle things like aspect > > > > would cause a lot of > > > > things and physical perception of Arudha would > > show > > > > more things. > > > > > > > > If we closely observe the different houses and > > > > planets we can classify > > > > them into 4 category of Yogas as explained in > > Gita. > > > > Once we > > > > differentiate the houses into different Yogas we > > can > > > > precisely define > > > > the path for an individual. However we need to > > first > > > > classify > > > > atmakaraka and once there is a positive sign > > from > > > > there of a native's > > > > true desire than we can see what path he needs > > to > > > > undertake. > > > > > > > > For example we would put, Kendras into Karma > > Yoga; > > > > Trines as Bhakti > > > > Yoga, (6,8,12) as Rajya (Tapaswi) Yoga and > > 2,3,11 as > > > > Gyana Yoga. We > > > > can have natural karaka for different yogas and > > the > > > > how they perform. > > > > > > > > Also we can classify planets and AK into > > different > > > > Yogas and see how > > > > they work out. This theory is still in infant > > stage > > > > in my mind(dont > > > > know if somebody has worked in detail on > > classifying > > > > the planets and > > > > yogas). We can work further and see how it > > evolves. > > > > Maybe i can work > > > > on and present a paper at SJC but i would need > > some > > > > concrete examples > > > > to justify the research. Contributions from > > other > > > > members are welcome. > > > > > > > > Hare Krisna > > > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:27:25 -0800 (PST), Suresh > > > > Babu.A.G > > > > <sureshbabuag wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namasthe > > > > > > > > > > I fully agree with the observations. I would > > also > > > > add > > > > > the 10th rasi, its Lord and the Navamsa. The > > Karma > > > > > (ones work , command etc ) also should be > > > > powerfull as > > > > > well as the Sun - Atmakaraka. Unless these two > > are > > > > > aslo powerfull, the yogas given by other > > planets > > > > may > > > > > be just a pipe dream. who is going to > > > > hear/obey/listen > > > > > to ones words unless his 10th house id > > powerfull. > > > > what > > > > > can one person gain if his atmakaraka is not > > > > powerfull > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > Finally Moon is the beeja sakthi for all other > > > > > planets. hence moon should be powerfull, > > > > expecially > > > > > regarding ocult part. > > > > > > > > > > A person should be bold and capable (not > > > > physicaly) to > > > > > handle the powers unknown. Just knowledge is > > not > > > === message truncated === > > > > Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. > http://info.mail./mail_250 > > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Namasthe. Exactly. a few days back a person came to me and i told him that his Kula Devatha is Devaki Krishna. He was surprised and narrated an incident. His parents had gone for a pilgrimage to Himalayas. There they found a Yogi (Avadoot) sitting below a Tree surrounded by a few people. On seeying his parents this yogi called them and gave them a statue of Devaki Krishna and asked them to worship it and practicaly ordered them to leave the place. At that time they never understood the significance. But they were following it to day. We both were surprised. what you have said is 100% true and the above proves it. But we have to search and re-search through all possible means, then only the Amrith of Knowledge shall be got. My prayer to the almighty is for that ray of knowledge, sothat it may be of use for the mankind. With Regards Suresh Babu --- Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas wrote: > Dear Suresh: > > Precisely !! Our poorva janam is seen is 12th house > and hence 12th > from karakamsa also shows ur Ista Devata, its also > the devata which > will help us to get to moksha. Enlightened spiritual > gurus doesnt even > have to look upto horoscope to see our Ista, they > can just see at ur > soul and tell you which devata to follow. These > enlightened spiritual > gurus are the ones who can answer our other > questions when ? How and > where. > > No doubt astrology can do it but it needs a lot of > expertise, also i > would rather trust a spiritually enlightened than to > trust any > astrologer who i would hardly know. These decisions > like i said are > more astral and casual in nature and hence the final > decision rests in > the hand of parmatmaa and only a truly enlightened > soul like > Yoganandaji is authority when dealing with this. > > Hare Krishna > > Bharat > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:21:42 -0800 (PST), Suresh > Babu.A.G > <sureshbabuag wrote: > > > > Namathe > > > > Well explained. You have outlined the principles > > neatly and precisely. > > > > May I add: > > The path to salvation may take several births > (Geetha) > > 12th also denotes the poorva janma. > > If we persue this argument, one can say that the > > person (Jevatma) has stated on the path of Moksha. > > The question as you said is when ? and when it > shall > > frutify? This birth or next or which ? > > > > Some years back I had started research on the same > > subject but had to drop for lack of autheticity > and > > adequate no of horoscopes to work on. > > > > It will be again interesting to work on the > subject. > > I hope more and more learned members shall > contribute > > > > With Regards > > Suresh > > > > > > --- Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas wrote: > > > > > Dear Sesha: > > > > > > Comments inline > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:13:33 -0800 (PST), Sesha > > > Mudumbi > > > <mseshas wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bharatji, > > > > > > > > Thanks for the reply..I agree with the > principles > > > you > > > > mentioned, as I knew the same theories too. My > > > > questions are the following: > > > > > > > > 1. How would someone time in which life after > > > current > > > > will a soul attain salvation Or atleast, > roughly > > > where > > > > the soul is in in its evolution. > > > > > > This one is a toughie !! I mean there is no > meter > > > for measuring > > > spirituality of a person. Seemingly very > spiritual > > > person do at times > > > turn out to hoax. Its very abstract and beyond > the > > > scope of human > > > brain to comprehend only those who are > spiritually > > > enlighten can > > > really see whats going on !! > > > > > > Even in Gita, Arjuna was perplexed when Lord > Krishna > > > said that he gave > > > the art of Kriya Yoga to Vivitsu; Lord Krishna > > > replied with " Only he > > > knows the past, present and the future of every > > > being ". > > > > > > There are charts you can cast like Punya Chart > to > > > see how the soul > > > will migrate or will have rebirth. But its > beyond my > > > comprehension at > > > this point of time to state anything > astrologically. > > > > > > > 2. What other combinations will ruin a good > 12th > > > from > > > > karakamsa and a good 4th from karakamsa (for > ex, I > > > > have ketu in 12th, and guru-chandra (exalted) > in > > > 4th > > > > from karakamsa, I dont feel I am anywhere near > > > > salvation, although I am extremely interested > in > > > > pursuing serious sadhana somewhere). > > > > > > I would say in addition to 12/4th from > karakamsa, i > > > would really like > > > to see Karakamsa in trines of navamsa lagna. > Also > > > which planet is ur > > > AK. How is AK related to Arudha Lagna in natal > > > chart. Which rashi is > > > involved with karakamsa and 12/4 from it and > which > > > graha are > > > aspecting. > > > > > > Also we have to see the drig dasa cause the > chart as > > > such shows the > > > reaction but unless (catalyst) dasha activates > the > > > reaction, there is > > > only dormant desire to achieve it. Look at when > ur > > > drig dasa of 5, 9 > > > or A5,A9 is starting. > > > > > > Please send me your chart will be interested for > > > learning purposes if > > > you dont mind. > > > > > > > 3. Would D20 analysis explain this ? > > > > > > Yeah D20 trines will help to explain some > situations > > > and we can apply > > > all rashi/navmasa principles in D20 and further > tune > > > the readings. > > > Also Narayana dasa of divisional chart is a > powerful > > > tool. > > > > > > > 4. If D20 is the spiritual chart, why is the > > > karakamsa > > > > studied from D9 ? I have wondered about this > for a > > > > long time.. Would you know ? > > > > > > D9 is the dharma chart and universally > considered as > > > most important > > > chart for seeing the fructification of any yoga > in > > > horoscope. If a > > > particular yoga is there in rashi chart but > those > > > planets afflicted in > > > D9 its assumed nullified. I dont know the exact > > > reason for it for > > > spirituality all 3 charts should be considered. > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Sesha. > === message truncated === Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail./mail_250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Namasthe Your understanding of Astrology and related topics is most commendable for a person who has learned it as you have mentioned. I have the copy of Deva Keralam - Chandra Kala Nadi. This book is a translation of old Manuscripts. But unfortunately it is not complete , since a lot has been lost over the years. It outlines the principles of Nadi Astrology, dividing the rasi into 150 parts (12 Minutes) and again dividing it by two (5 minutes). There are references of Jaimini principles in it. So How can we say that a particular system is the only solution or right. Just as there are Specialists in each field of Medical Science each Maharshis may have had expertice in some facets of Astrology and related science. As for the Kerala System, We largely follow Varaha Hora (Dasadhyayee) , Krishneeyam, Prasna Marga, Prasnaanushtana Padhathi, Skanda Hora (exists only in form of Manuscripts and very difficult to get). Only that knowledge and references passed by old masters is available now. With Regards Suresh Babu --- Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas wrote: > Dear Suresh: > > Thanks for explaining the results according to > Kerala system. I was > thinking all the way while reading your mail is that > Maharishis cannot > be wrong. I am glad you accepted and appreciated the > works of Jaimini > and not condemn it as some fanatics might do. Its > really nice to share > different techniques and make our study stronger, > though if one sticks > to and completely understands one system in a life > time would be a > great achievement. > > I am in Canada and my major learning is through net > and forums. I am > planning on buying 3 volumes of Deva Keralam so than > maybe i could > talk to you in ur language. > > It nice discussing with you too and have a nice day. > > Hare Rama Krishna > > Bharat > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:31:47 -0800 (PST), Suresh > Babu.A.G > <sureshbabuag wrote: > > > > Namasthe. > > > > I do certainly agree with you on Karkamsa. But I > must > > say I deffer on the aspect of dharmadevatha. This > > could be due to the different methods of analysis. > I > > am from Kerala. Here we don't follow Jaimini > > Maharshi's Methods much. > > > > Though I have several works on the subject, I feel > > confortable with existing methods, May be more > because > > Here in Kerala we have to deal with several > deties, > > customes, traditions > > Here we take > > Dharma Devatha from 4th house - deties worshiped > at > > home > > Grama Devatha - from the 7th house > > Guru from 9th house > > Ishta Devatha - 5th house > > > > Apart from this there is another concept of Kula > > Devatha - These are special deties worshiped by > > saraswath Brahmins Traditionaly since the time of > > Rishis for each Gotra (actually 8 in all) > > ex: Kula devatha of Kowndanya Gotra is Ramanath > > Santheri Kamaskshi > > In fact the discription of the detiey is like this > > > > "Lakshimarayanaschadyow Purathonandhikeswaraha" > > "Kamakshi dakshineyasya Santheri thasyavamathaha" > > "Anyathra Purusha savye vethala kalabhairava" > > "Rameswaram Ramanatham tham vande kula daivatham" > > > > Though there is no special methods for > assertaining > > the kula devatha, I have formed a method, from the > > position of the planets (Clustering) and from 2nd > > house comparing with the description of Kula > > Devathas. After testing several horoscopes I have > > found this method works accurately. > > > > Apart from these we may have assertain certain > other > > rituals followed by a family/person (Kudumba - Not > the > > present definition of family), Upadevathas etc . > > > > In all these cases we have found that the Kerala > > methods give more accurate results. > > > > Honestly I have not gone deep into Jaimini's > Methods. > > We all know Maharshi's cannot be wrong and what > they > > have said is bound to be truth. We only have to > > understand it. > > > > It is 5.AM in the morning. Just out of curiosity > may I > > ask where are staying? , for I did not expect your > > reply so late. I do work late. I find the night > work > > is much more peacefull and rewarding. > > > > I realy must thank you for this valuable > discussion. I > > have to take some rest for tommorrow is a very > busy > > day for me. > > > > With Regards > > Suresh > > > > > > --- Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas wrote: > > > > > Dear Suresh: > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna: > > > > > > All the yogas ultimately lead to moksha, hence > 12th > > > has to be > > > invariably involved. But 12th from what should > be > > > the question., Since > > > we define lagna, Karakamsa, chandra lagna, sun > lagna > > > etc. > > > > > > Now when considering moksha, 12th from karakamsa > > > seems to be the most > > > logical cause its moksha of soul and not this > > > physical body (rashi > > > lagna) hence we should consider 12th from > karakamsa. > > > Now following > > > Jaimini we naturally get 5th and 9th from > Karakamsa > > > as DharmaDevata > > > and Guru Devata. So all our discussions should > be > > > with respect to > > > Karakamsa. > > > > > > Now Bhakti Yoga is defined as "Always being in > > > awareness or love of > > > god" and by doing mantra we are doing precisely > > > that, we are chanting > > > gods name -- unlike Rajya Yoga of Pranayanam > where > > > we are focusing on > > > breath so we are focussing on what we are taking > in > > > (2nd house) and > > > what we are giving out (12th house), actual > pranayam > > > goal is minimize > > > intake of breath hence we have to minimize 2nd > and > > > hence we can say > > > 2/12th is more important in here. > > > > > > Hence i would say 5th to be involved with Bhakti > --- > > > ISKCON follows > > > Bhakti Yoga and Prabhupada defines Bhakti to be > Raja > > > Yoga and they > > > prescribe constant chanting of Maha-Mantra (5th > > > house) and hence 5th > > > with bhakti. > > > > > > We can draw analogies and verify it if they > match > > > with actuality; like > > > for rectification of birth time for ISKCON > devotee > > > we see trines of > > > D20 should contain moon. Bhakti Yoga and trines > > > involved so i feel > > > assured of trines for Bhakti Yoga. > > > > > > Hare Krishna > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:53:05 -0800 (PST), Suresh > > > Babu.A.G > > > <sureshbabuag wrote: > > > > > > > > Namasthe > > > > > > > > Vyas'Ji your observation is very interesting. > > > > Presently I am working on another area. But I > > > suspect > > > > our paths may cross. > > > > > > > > At this point may I suggest just for thinking > > > > Your suggestion trines â€" Bhakti Yoga > > > > Bhakti Yoga invariably leads to Moksha through > > > > submission, vyragya etc . > > > > 5th house is considered Mantra Sthana and 9th > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Dear Suresh: It is indeed amazing how mystic it gets and still can be explained by the knowledge of Maharishis. I had an experience myself, i was in company of highly spiritual teacher, he was a reiki master and kriya yogi and during interaction with him i told him about snakes in my dreams ......he asked me to close my eyes and see the first thing that comes to my mind. During those days i was more of Hanuman Bhakta, but it was amazing how i saw Lord Ganesha and his image was so big as to cover the entire universe. I opened my eyes and my teacher was smiling. I didnt had snakes in my dreams after that and certainly he did something to pacify my kundalini. After learning astrology, i came to know Lord Ganesha controls kundalini energy and hence the vision. Was a great experience how various lords control different aspects of life and why we should worship them. Hare Krishna Bharat On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:34:10 -0800 (PST), Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Namasthe. > > Exactly. a few days back a person came to me and i > told him that his Kula Devatha is Devaki Krishna. He > was surprised and narrated an incident. His parents > had gone for a pilgrimage to Himalayas. There they > found a Yogi (Avadoot) sitting below a Tree surrounded > by a few people. On seeying his parents this yogi > called them and gave them a statue of Devaki Krishna > and asked them to worship it and practicaly ordered > them to leave the place. At that time they never > understood the significance. But they were following > it to day. > > We both were surprised. what you have said is 100% > true and the above proves it. > > But we have to search and re-search through all > possible means, then only the Amrith of Knowledge > shall be got. > > My prayer to the almighty is for that ray of > knowledge, sothat it may be of use for the mankind. > > With Regards > Suresh Babu > > > --- Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas wrote: > > > Dear Suresh: > > > > Precisely !! Our poorva janam is seen is 12th house > > and hence 12th > > from karakamsa also shows ur Ista Devata, its also > > the devata which > > will help us to get to moksha. Enlightened spiritual > > gurus doesnt even > > have to look upto horoscope to see our Ista, they > > can just see at ur > > soul and tell you which devata to follow. These > > enlightened spiritual > > gurus are the ones who can answer our other > > questions when ? How and > > where. > > > > No doubt astrology can do it but it needs a lot of > > expertise, also i > > would rather trust a spiritually enlightened than to > > trust any > > astrologer who i would hardly know. These decisions > > like i said are > > more astral and casual in nature and hence the final > > decision rests in > > the hand of parmatmaa and only a truly enlightened > > soul like > > Yoganandaji is authority when dealing with this. > > > > Hare Krishna > > > > Bharat > > > > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:21:42 -0800 (PST), Suresh > > Babu.A.G > > <sureshbabuag wrote: > > > > > > Namathe > > > > > > Well explained. You have outlined the principles > > > neatly and precisely. > > > > > > May I add: > > > The path to salvation may take several births > > (Geetha) > > > 12th also denotes the poorva janma. > > > If we persue this argument, one can say that the > > > person (Jevatma) has stated on the path of Moksha. > > > The question as you said is when ? and when it > > shall > > > frutify? This birth or next or which ? > > > > > > Some years back I had started research on the same > > > subject but had to drop for lack of autheticity > > and > > > adequate no of horoscopes to work on. > > > > > > It will be again interesting to work on the > > subject. > > > I hope more and more learned members shall > > contribute > > > > > > With Regards > > > Suresh > > > > > > > > > --- Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Sesha: > > > > > > > > Comments inline > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:13:33 -0800 (PST), Sesha > > > > Mudumbi > > > > <mseshas wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bharatji, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the reply..I agree with the > > principles > > > > you > > > > > mentioned, as I knew the same theories too. My > > > > > questions are the following: > > > > > > > > > > 1. How would someone time in which life after > > > > current > > > > > will a soul attain salvation Or atleast, > > roughly > > > > where > > > > > the soul is in in its evolution. > > > > > > > > This one is a toughie !! I mean there is no > > meter > > > > for measuring > > > > spirituality of a person. Seemingly very > > spiritual > > > > person do at times > > > > turn out to hoax. Its very abstract and beyond > > the > > > > scope of human > > > > brain to comprehend only those who are > > spiritually > > > > enlighten can > > > > really see whats going on !! > > > > > > > > Even in Gita, Arjuna was perplexed when Lord > > Krishna > > > > said that he gave > > > > the art of Kriya Yoga to Vivitsu; Lord Krishna > > > > replied with " Only he > > > > knows the past, present and the future of every > > > > being ". > > > > > > > > There are charts you can cast like Punya Chart > > to > > > > see how the soul > > > > will migrate or will have rebirth. But its > > beyond my > > > > comprehension at > > > > this point of time to state anything > > astrologically. > > > > > > > > > 2. What other combinations will ruin a good > > 12th > > > > from > > > > > karakamsa and a good 4th from karakamsa (for > > ex, I > > > > > have ketu in 12th, and guru-chandra (exalted) > > in > > > > 4th > > > > > from karakamsa, I dont feel I am anywhere near > > > > > salvation, although I am extremely interested > > in > > > > > pursuing serious sadhana somewhere). > > > > > > > > I would say in addition to 12/4th from > > karakamsa, i > > > > would really like > > > > to see Karakamsa in trines of navamsa lagna. > > Also > > > > which planet is ur > > > > AK. How is AK related to Arudha Lagna in natal > > > > chart. Which rashi is > > > > involved with karakamsa and 12/4 from it and > > which > > > > graha are > > > > aspecting. > > > > > > > > Also we have to see the drig dasa cause the > > chart as > > > > such shows the > > > > reaction but unless (catalyst) dasha activates > > the > > > > reaction, there is > > > > only dormant desire to achieve it. Look at when > > ur > > > > drig dasa of 5, 9 > > > > or A5,A9 is starting. > > > > > > > > Please send me your chart will be interested for > > > > learning purposes if > > > > you dont mind. > > > > > > > > > 3. Would D20 analysis explain this ? > > > > > > > > Yeah D20 trines will help to explain some > > situations > > > > and we can apply > > > > all rashi/navmasa principles in D20 and further > > tune > > > > the readings. > > > > Also Narayana dasa of divisional chart is a > > powerful > > > > tool. > > > > > > > > > 4. If D20 is the spiritual chart, why is the > > > > karakamsa > > > > > studied from D9 ? I have wondered about this > > for a > > > > > long time.. Would you know ? > > > > > > > > D9 is the dharma chart and universally > > considered as > > > > most important > > > > chart for seeing the fructification of any yoga > > in > > > > horoscope. If a > > > > particular yoga is there in rashi chart but > > those > > > > planets afflicted in > > > > D9 its assumed nullified. I dont know the exact > > > > reason for it for > > > > spirituality all 3 charts should be considered. > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Sesha. > > > === message truncated === > > > > Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. > http://info.mail./mail_250 > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > Links > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Dear Suresh: This precisely shows why we need a guru-shisya parampara as advocated by SJC cause we need to establish a holy relationship before sharing the secrets of tradition. You are really blessed to be in India and in direct touch with people who know these things. Maybe i can learn a few things by being in association with you. Hare Krishna Bharat On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:06:10 -0800 (PST), Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Namasthe > > Your understanding of Astrology and related topics is > most commendable for a person who has learned it as > you have mentioned. > > I have the copy of Deva Keralam - Chandra Kala Nadi. > This book is a translation of old Manuscripts. But > unfortunately it is not complete , since a lot has > been lost over the years. It outlines the principles > of Nadi Astrology, dividing the rasi into 150 parts > (12 Minutes) and again dividing it by two (5 minutes). > There are references of Jaimini principles in it. So > How can we say that a particular system is the only > solution or right. > > Just as there are Specialists in each field of Medical > Science each Maharshis may have had expertice in some > facets of Astrology and related science. > > As for the Kerala System, We largely follow Varaha > Hora (Dasadhyayee) , Krishneeyam, Prasna Marga, > Prasnaanushtana Padhathi, Skanda Hora (exists only in > form of Manuscripts and very difficult to get). Only > that knowledge and references passed by old masters > is available now. > > > With Regards > Suresh Babu > > --- Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas wrote: > > > Dear Suresh: > > > > Thanks for explaining the results according to > > Kerala system. I was > > thinking all the way while reading your mail is that > > Maharishis cannot > > be wrong. I am glad you accepted and appreciated the > > works of Jaimini > > and not condemn it as some fanatics might do. Its > > really nice to share > > different techniques and make our study stronger, > > though if one sticks > > to and completely understands one system in a life > > time would be a > > great achievement. > > > > I am in Canada and my major learning is through net > > and forums. I am > > planning on buying 3 volumes of Deva Keralam so than > > maybe i could > > talk to you in ur language. > > > > It nice discussing with you too and have a nice day. > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > Bharat > > > > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:31:47 -0800 (PST), Suresh > > Babu.A.G > > <sureshbabuag wrote: > > > > > > Namasthe. > > > > > > I do certainly agree with you on Karkamsa. But I > > must > > > say I deffer on the aspect of dharmadevatha. This > > > could be due to the different methods of analysis. > > I > > > am from Kerala. Here we don't follow Jaimini > > > Maharshi's Methods much. > > > > > > Though I have several works on the subject, I feel > > > confortable with existing methods, May be more > > because > > > Here in Kerala we have to deal with several > > deties, > > > customes, traditions > > > Here we take > > > Dharma Devatha from 4th house - deties worshiped > > at > > > home > > > Grama Devatha - from the 7th house > > > Guru from 9th house > > > Ishta Devatha - 5th house > > > > > > Apart from this there is another concept of Kula > > > Devatha - These are special deties worshiped by > > > saraswath Brahmins Traditionaly since the time of > > > Rishis for each Gotra (actually 8 in all) > > > ex: Kula devatha of Kowndanya Gotra is Ramanath > > > Santheri Kamaskshi > > > In fact the discription of the detiey is like this > > > > > > "Lakshimarayanaschadyow Purathonandhikeswaraha" > > > "Kamakshi dakshineyasya Santheri thasyavamathaha" > > > "Anyathra Purusha savye vethala kalabhairava" > > > "Rameswaram Ramanatham tham vande kula daivatham" > > > > > > Though there is no special methods for > > assertaining > > > the kula devatha, I have formed a method, from the > > > position of the planets (Clustering) and from 2nd > > > house comparing with the description of Kula > > > Devathas. After testing several horoscopes I have > > > found this method works accurately. > > > > > > Apart from these we may have assertain certain > > other > > > rituals followed by a family/person (Kudumba - Not > > the > > > present definition of family), Upadevathas etc . > > > > > > In all these cases we have found that the Kerala > > > methods give more accurate results. > > > > > > Honestly I have not gone deep into Jaimini's > > Methods. > > > We all know Maharshi's cannot be wrong and what > > they > > > have said is bound to be truth. We only have to > > > understand it. > > > > > > It is 5.AM in the morning. Just out of curiosity > > may I > > > ask where are staying? , for I did not expect your > > > reply so late. I do work late. I find the night > > work > > > is much more peacefull and rewarding. > > > > > > I realy must thank you for this valuable > > discussion. I > > > have to take some rest for tommorrow is a very > > busy > > > day for me. > > > > > > With Regards > > > Suresh > > > > > > > > > --- Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Suresh: > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna: > > > > > > > > All the yogas ultimately lead to moksha, hence > > 12th > > > > has to be > > > > invariably involved. But 12th from what should > > be > > > > the question., Since > > > > we define lagna, Karakamsa, chandra lagna, sun > > lagna > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > Now when considering moksha, 12th from karakamsa > > > > seems to be the most > > > > logical cause its moksha of soul and not this > > > > physical body (rashi > > > > lagna) hence we should consider 12th from > > karakamsa. > > > > Now following > > > > Jaimini we naturally get 5th and 9th from > > Karakamsa > > > > as DharmaDevata > > > > and Guru Devata. So all our discussions should > > be > > > > with respect to > > > > Karakamsa. > > > > > > > > Now Bhakti Yoga is defined as "Always being in > > > > awareness or love of > > > > god" and by doing mantra we are doing precisely > > > > that, we are chanting > > > > gods name -- unlike Rajya Yoga of Pranayanam > > where > > > > we are focusing on > > > > breath so we are focussing on what we are taking > > in > > > > (2nd house) and > > > > what we are giving out (12th house), actual > > pranayam > > > > goal is minimize > > > > intake of breath hence we have to minimize 2nd > > and > > > > hence we can say > > > > 2/12th is more important in here. > > > > > > > > Hence i would say 5th to be involved with Bhakti > > --- > > > > ISKCON follows > > > > Bhakti Yoga and Prabhupada defines Bhakti to be > > Raja > > > > Yoga and they > > > > prescribe constant chanting of Maha-Mantra (5th > > > > house) and hence 5th > > > > with bhakti. > > > > > > > > We can draw analogies and verify it if they > > match > > > > with actuality; like > > > > for rectification of birth time for ISKCON > > devotee > > > > we see trines of > > > > D20 should contain moon. Bhakti Yoga and trines > > > > involved so i feel > > > > assured of trines for Bhakti Yoga. > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna > > > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:53:05 -0800 (PST), Suresh > > > > Babu.A.G > > > > <sureshbabuag wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namasthe > > > > > > > > > > Vyas'Ji your observation is very interesting. > > > > > Presently I am working on another area. But I > > > > suspect > > > > > our paths may cross. > > > > > > > > > > At this point may I suggest just for thinking > > > > > Your suggestion trines â€" Bhakti Yoga > > > > > Bhakti Yoga invariably leads to Moksha through > > > > > submission, vyragya etc . > > > > > 5th house is considered Mantra Sthana and 9th > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > Links > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Namasthe Are you aware that Ketu is one of the Paryaya (names) of Lord Ganesha. This is explained in Skanda Purana. In one of earlier posts I had hinted about the complexity and expanciveness of astrology. But unfortunately few people today realise the true potential about its knowledge and be satisfied by its mundane application. As a matter of discussion may I bring another point. Lord Vishnu rests on the coil of Ananda in the middle of "Palaazhi" - Milky oceon (Milkyway ?) The same Ananda is a garland on Maheshwara. Lord Ganesha Has tied Ananda as a Belt on his vast Stomach. The idea is to restrict Brahmamda from crossing its borders. In this contest shall I add "Adho nishtya vithasthyanthe nabhyamuparithishtathy" "Hridayam thadwijaneeyathviswasyayathanam mahath" with regards Suresh --- Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas wrote: > Dear Suresh: > > It is indeed amazing how mystic it gets and still > can be explained by > the knowledge of Maharishis. > > I had an experience myself, i was in company of > highly spiritual > teacher, he was a reiki master and kriya yogi and > during interaction > with him i told him about snakes in my dreams > ......he asked me to > close my eyes and see the first thing that comes to > my mind. During > those days i was more of Hanuman Bhakta, but it was > amazing how i saw > Lord Ganesha and his image was so big as to cover > the entire universe. > I opened my eyes and my teacher was smiling. I didnt > had snakes in my > dreams after that and certainly he did something to > pacify my > kundalini. > > After learning astrology, i came to know Lord > Ganesha controls > kundalini energy and hence the vision. Was a great > experience how > various lords control different aspects of life and > why we should > worship them. > > Hare Krishna > > Bharat > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:34:10 -0800 (PST), Suresh > Babu.A.G > <sureshbabuag wrote: > > > > Namasthe. > > > > Exactly. a few days back a person came to me and i > > told him that his Kula Devatha is Devaki Krishna. > He > > was surprised and narrated an incident. His > parents > > had gone for a pilgrimage to Himalayas. There they > > found a Yogi (Avadoot) sitting below a Tree > surrounded > > by a few people. On seeying his parents this yogi > > called them and gave them a statue of Devaki > Krishna > > and asked them to worship it and practicaly > ordered > > them to leave the place. At that time they never > > understood the significance. But they were > following > > it to day. > > > > We both were surprised. what you have said is 100% > > true and the above proves it. > > > > But we have to search and re-search through all > > possible means, then only the Amrith of Knowledge > > shall be got. > > > > My prayer to the almighty is for that ray of > > knowledge, sothat it may be of use for the > mankind. > > > > With Regards > > Suresh Babu > > > > > > --- Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas wrote: > > > > > Dear Suresh: > > > > > > Precisely !! Our poorva janam is seen is 12th > house > > > and hence 12th > > > from karakamsa also shows ur Ista Devata, its > also > > > the devata which > > > will help us to get to moksha. Enlightened > spiritual > > > gurus doesnt even > > > have to look upto horoscope to see our Ista, > they > > > can just see at ur > > > soul and tell you which devata to follow. These > > > enlightened spiritual > > > gurus are the ones who can answer our other > > > questions when ? How and > > > where. > > > > > > No doubt astrology can do it but it needs a lot > of > > > expertise, also i > > > would rather trust a spiritually enlightened > than to > > > trust any > > > astrologer who i would hardly know. These > decisions > > > like i said are > > > more astral and casual in nature and hence the > final > > > decision rests in > > > the hand of parmatmaa and only a truly > enlightened > > > soul like > > > Yoganandaji is authority when dealing with this. > > > > > > Hare Krishna > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:21:42 -0800 (PST), Suresh > > > Babu.A.G > > > <sureshbabuag wrote: > > > > > > > > Namathe > > > > > > > > Well explained. You have outlined the > principles > > > > neatly and precisely. > > > > > > > > May I add: > > > > The path to salvation may take several births > > > (Geetha) > > > > 12th also denotes the poorva janma. > > > > If we persue this argument, one can say that > the > > > > person (Jevatma) has stated on the path of > Moksha. > > > > The question as you said is when ? and when it > > > shall > > > > frutify? This birth or next or which ? > > > > > > > > Some years back I had started research on the > same > > > > subject but had to drop for lack of > autheticity > > > and > > > > adequate no of horoscopes to work on. > > > > > > > > It will be again interesting to work on the > > > subject. > > > > I hope more and more learned members shall > > > contribute > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > Suresh > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Sesha: > > > > > > > > > > Comments inline > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:13:33 -0800 (PST), > Sesha > > > > > Mudumbi > > > > > <mseshas wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bharatji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the reply..I agree with the > > > principles > > > > > you > > > > > > mentioned, as I knew the same theories > too. My > > > > > > questions are the following: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. How would someone time in which life > after > > > > > current > > > > > > will a soul attain salvation Or atleast, > > > roughly > > > > > where > > > > > > the soul is in in its evolution. > > > > > > > > > > This one is a toughie !! I mean there is no > > > meter > > > > > for measuring > > > > > spirituality of a person. Seemingly very > > > spiritual > > > > > person do at times > > > > > turn out to hoax. Its very abstract and > beyond > > > the > > > > > scope of human > > > > > brain to comprehend only those who are > > > spiritually > > > > > enlighten can > > > > > really see whats going on !! > > > > > > === message truncated === Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile./maildemo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Namasthe A few months back I was asked to translate the Katha Upanishad by my Guru. I pleaded Ignorence for I Knew its is not an easy matter and my knowledge is limited. At first I thought he punished me, but now I realise he wanted to push me to a higher path. The First Verse is: "Ohm Sahanaavavathu Sahanowbhunakthu" "Sahaveeryam Karavavahai" "Thejaswinaavadheethamasthu" "Mam vidhvishavahai" "Ohm santhi santhi santhihi" Funny thing is that I have been reciting this verse for years and never realised its potential meaning. Om. May Brahman protect us both! May Brahman bestow upon us both the fruit of Knowledge! May we both obtain the energy to acquire Knowledge! May what we both study reveal the Truth! May we cherish no ill feeling toward each other! Om. Peace! Peace! Peace! Ohm = The pranava, the aadi brahman, Paramathma All the mantras starts with the pranava Sahanaavavathu = Let us be together, to aquire knowledge. Sahanowbhunakthu =Let us enjoy Knowledge together Sahaveeryam Karavavahai = Let us all together be strong Thejasvinavadheethamasthu = Let us be engulfed by the power of knowledge Mam Vidvishavahai = Let us not cherish ill feeling towards each other Ohm Santhi, santhi, santhihi.= To reduce the three types of bad effects that of body, mind and soul represented by adibhowthika, adidaivika and adhyathmika. During the guru siksha parampara days, both the guru (the teacher) and the shishya’s (the taught) used to recite this mantra together before starting the days tuitions. The explanation of the above verse itself took one chapter. Unfortunately I have not completed the work due to personal engagements. What todays schools and colleges lacks is the strong message contained in the above verse. What is the meaning of life if it used only for meterial gaines. with regards Suresh Babu. --- Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas wrote: > Dear Suresh: > > This precisely shows why we need a guru-shisya > parampara as advocated > by SJC cause we need to establish a holy > relationship before sharing > the secrets of tradition. You are really blessed to > be in India and in > direct touch with people who know these things. > Maybe i can learn a > few things by being in association with you. > > Hare Krishna > > Bharat > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:06:10 -0800 (PST), Suresh > Babu.A.G > <sureshbabuag wrote: > > > > Namasthe > > > > Your understanding of Astrology and related topics > is > > most commendable for a person who has learned it > as > > you have mentioned. > > > > I have the copy of Deva Keralam - Chandra Kala > Nadi. > > This book is a translation of old Manuscripts. But > > unfortunately it is not complete , since a lot has > > been lost over the years. It outlines the > principles > > of Nadi Astrology, dividing the rasi into 150 > parts > > (12 Minutes) and again dividing it by two (5 > minutes). > > There are references of Jaimini principles in it. > So > > How can we say that a particular system is the > only > > solution or right. > > > > Just as there are Specialists in each field of > Medical > > Science each Maharshis may have had expertice in > some > > facets of Astrology and related science. > > > > As for the Kerala System, We largely follow Varaha > > Hora (Dasadhyayee) , Krishneeyam, Prasna Marga, > > Prasnaanushtana Padhathi, Skanda Hora (exists only > in > > form of Manuscripts and very difficult to get). > Only > > that knowledge and references passed by old > masters > > is available now. > > > > > > With Regards > > Suresh Babu > > > > --- Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas wrote: > > > > > Dear Suresh: > > > > > > Thanks for explaining the results according to > > > Kerala system. I was > > > thinking all the way while reading your mail is > that > > > Maharishis cannot > > > be wrong. I am glad you accepted and appreciated > the > > > works of Jaimini > > > and not condemn it as some fanatics might do. > Its > > > really nice to share > > > different techniques and make our study > stronger, > > > though if one sticks > > > to and completely understands one system in a > life > > > time would be a > > > great achievement. > > > > > > I am in Canada and my major learning is through > net > > > and forums. I am > > > planning on buying 3 volumes of Deva Keralam so > than > > > maybe i could > > > talk to you in ur language. > > > > > > It nice discussing with you too and have a nice > day. > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:31:47 -0800 (PST), Suresh > > > Babu.A.G > > > <sureshbabuag wrote: > > > > > > > > Namasthe. > > > > > > > > I do certainly agree with you on Karkamsa. But > I > > > must > > > > say I deffer on the aspect of dharmadevatha. > This > > > > could be due to the different methods of > analysis. > > > I > > > > am from Kerala. Here we don't follow Jaimini > > > > Maharshi's Methods much. > > > > > > > > Though I have several works on the subject, I > feel > > > > confortable with existing methods, May be more > > > because > > > > Here in Kerala we have to deal with several > > > deties, > > > > customes, traditions > > > > Here we take > > > > Dharma Devatha from 4th house - deties > worshiped > > > at > > > > home > > > > Grama Devatha - from the 7th house > > > > Guru from 9th house > > > > Ishta Devatha - 5th house > > > > > > > > Apart from this there is another concept of > Kula > > > > Devatha - These are special deties worshiped > by > > > > saraswath Brahmins Traditionaly since the time > of > > > > Rishis for each Gotra (actually 8 in all) > > > > ex: Kula devatha of Kowndanya Gotra is > Ramanath > > > > Santheri Kamaskshi > > > > In fact the discription of the detiey is like > this > > > > > > > > "Lakshimarayanaschadyow > Purathonandhikeswaraha" > > > > "Kamakshi dakshineyasya Santheri > thasyavamathaha" > > > > "Anyathra Purusha savye vethala kalabhairava" > > > > "Rameswaram Ramanatham tham vande kula > daivatham" > > > > > > > > Though there is no special methods for > > > assertaining > > > > the kula devatha, I have formed a method, from > the > > > > position of the planets (Clustering) and from > 2nd > > > > house comparing with the description of Kula > > > > Devathas. After testing several horoscopes I > have > > > > found this method works accurately. > > > > > > > > Apart from these we may have assertain certain > > > other > > > > rituals followed by a family/person (Kudumba - > Not > > > the > > > > present definition of family), Upadevathas etc > . > > > > > > > > In all these cases we have found that the > Kerala > > > > methods give more accurate results. > > > > > > > > Honestly I have not gone deep into Jaimini's > > > Methods. > > > > We all know Maharshi's cannot be wrong and > what > > > they > > > > have said is bound to be truth. We only have > to > > > > understand it. > > > > > > > > It is 5.AM in the morning. Just out of > curiosity > > > may I > > > > ask where are staying? , for I did not expect > your > > > > reply so late. I do work late. I find the > night > > > work > > > > is much more peacefull and rewarding. > > > > > > > > I realy must thank you for this valuable > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Members, Bowing to the lotus feet of Shree Ramakrishna, lemme share my knowledge upto whatever i have studied from katha Upanishad n other upanishads. As Suresh babu has mentioned the Mantras "Om Sahanavavatu"etc are known as the Krishna Yajurvedic Shanti Mantras which are chanted before any kind of good venture or before reading any vedic scripture.The word "Shanti" is repeated thrice in the end.These three shanti are for protecting us from three kind of obstacles or evils----adhyatmik(like from the body as fever or illness,pains),adhidaivik(like rains,lightining,or any natural calamity)& adhibhoutik(like the cruelty in people and animals etc). Definitely, in our day to day life or in the education we Hardly pray for each other,i.e. for both Guru & Shishya,as "Sahanavavatu".If we break the word,then it comes"Saha Nau Avatu" meaning "Oh God,Please protect both of Us(i.e. both Guru & Shishya).As in Mundaka Upanishad we find,"Satyameva Jayate Nanritam" i.e.,none other than truth will triumph.But in this fast real life we are always following the path of "Untruth" for our conscience is not that much pure to give us pure thoughts. So,things should be taught from childhood,as we say in English,"Strike the iron while it is hot".In childhood the mind is like a clay and u can mould it as required.And when the question of Free-will arises,definitely it is superior than Astrology as in gita we find,Lord Krishna Saying,"Manmanaa bhava madbhakta madyaji maam namaskuru," & "Sarvadharmaan parityajya maamekam sharanam braja",thus ignoring all kind of darkness from our mind and he is requesting us to seek his refuge under his Lotus feet as he has already said,"Kaunteya Pratijaanihi na me bhaktah pranashyati",meaning "Kaunteya(arjuna),remember that my devotee will never die."Why????As shree krishna has said"Aham tvaam sarva papebhyo mokshy-ishyami maa shuchah"&"Maam-eva-eshyasi satyang te pratjaane priyohosi me". Thanking You All, . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 kindly solve my query at the earliest................."Suresh Babu.A.G" <sureshbabuag > wrote: NamastheAre you aware that Ketu is one of the Paryaya (names)of Lord Ganesha. This is explained in Skanda Purana. In one of earlier posts I had hinted about thecomplexity and expanciveness of astrology. Butunfortunately few people today realise the truepotential about its knowledge and be satisfied by itsmundane application. As a matter of discussion may I bring another point. Lord Vishnu rests on the coil of Ananda in the middleof "Palaazhi" - Milky oceon (Milkyway ?) The same Ananda is a garland on Maheshwara. Lord Ganesha Has tied Ananda as a Belt on his vastStomach. The idea is to restrict Brahmamda fromcrossing its borders. In this contest shall I add"Adho nishtya vithasthyanthe nabhyamuparithishtathy""Hridayam thadwijaneeyathviswasyayathanam mahath"with regardsSuresh--- Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas > wrote:> Dear Suresh:> > It is indeed amazing how mystic it gets and still> can be explained by> the knowledge of Maharishis.> > I had an experience myself, i was in company of> highly spiritual> teacher, he was a reiki master and kriya yogi and> during interaction> with him i told him about snakes in my dreams> ......he asked me to> close my eyes and see the first thing that comes to> my mind. During> those days i was more of Hanuman Bhakta, but it was> amazing how i saw> Lord Ganesha and his image was so big as to cover> the entire universe.> I opened my eyes and my teacher was smiling. I didnt> had snakes in my> dreams after that and certainly he did something to> pacify my> kundalini.> > After learning astrology, i came to know Lord> Ganesha controls> kundalini energy and hence the vision. Was a great> experience how> various lords control different aspects of life and> why we should> worship them.> > Hare Krishna> > Bharat> > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:34:10 -0800 (PST), Suresh> Babu.A.G> <sureshbabuag > wrote:> > > > Namasthe.> > > > Exactly. a few days back a person came to me and i> > told him that his Kula Devatha is Devaki Krishna.> He> > was surprised and narrated an incident. His> parents> > had gone for a pilgrimage to Himalayas. There they> > found a Yogi (Avadoot) sitting below a Tree> surrounded> > by a few people. On seeying his parents this yogi> > called them and gave them a statue of Devaki> Krishna> > and asked them to worship it and practicaly> ordered> > them to leave the place. At that time they never> > understood the significance. But they were> following> > it to day.> > > > We both were surprised. what you have said is 100%> > true and the above proves it.> > > > But we have to search and re-search through all> > possible means, then only the Amrith of Knowledge> > shall be got.> > > > My prayer to the almighty is for that ray of> > knowledge, sothat it may be of use for the> mankind.> > > > With Regards> > Suresh Babu> > > > > > --- Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas > wrote:> > > > > Dear Suresh:> > >> > > Precisely !! Our poorva janam is seen is 12th> house> > > and hence 12th> > > from karakamsa also shows ur Ista Devata, its> also> > > the devata which> > > will help us to get to moksha. Enlightened> spiritual> > > gurus doesnt even> > > have to look upto horoscope to see our Ista,> they> > > can just see at ur> > > soul and tell you which devata to follow. These> > > enlightened spiritual> > > gurus are the ones who can answer our other> > > questions when ? How and> > > where.> > >> > > No doubt astrology can do it but it needs a lot> of> > > expertise, also i> > > would rather trust a spiritually enlightened> than to> > > trust any> > > astrologer who i would hardly know. These> decisions> > > like i said are> > > more astral and casual in nature and hence the> final> > > decision rests in> > > the hand of parmatmaa and only a truly> enlightened> > > soul like> > > Yoganandaji is authority when dealing with this.> > >> > > Hare Krishna> > >> > > Bharat> > >> > >> > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:21:42 -0800 (PST), Suresh> > > Babu.A.G> > > <sureshbabuag > wrote:> > > >> > > > Namathe> > > >> > > > Well explained. You have outlined the> principles> > > > neatly and precisely.> > > >> > > > May I add:> > > > The path to salvation may take several births> > > (Geetha)> > > > 12th also denotes the poorva janma.> > > > If we persue this argument, one can say that> the> > > > person (Jevatma) has stated on the path of> Moksha.> > > > The question as you said is when ? and when it> > > shall> > > > frutify? This birth or next or which ?> > > >> > > > Some years back I had started research on the> same> > > > subject but had to drop for lack of> autheticity> > > and> > > > adequate no of horoscopes to work on.> > > >> > > > It will be again interesting to work on the> > > subject.> > > > I hope more and more learned members shall> > > contribute> > > >> > > > With Regards> > > > Suresh> > > >> > > >> > > > --- Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas > wrote:> > > >> > > > > Dear Sesha:> > > > >> > > > > Comments inline> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:13:33 -0800 (PST),> Sesha> > > > > Mudumbi> > > > > <mseshas > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Bharatji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks for the reply..I agree with the> > > principles> > > > > you> > > > > > mentioned, as I knew the same theories> too. My> > > > > > questions are the following:> > > > > >> > > > > > 1. How would someone time in which life> after> > > > > current> > > > > > will a soul attain salvation Or atleast,> > > roughly> > > > > where> > > > > > the soul is in in its evolution.> > > > >> > > > > This one is a toughie !! I mean there is no> > > meter> > > > > for measuring> > > > > spirituality of a person. Seemingly very> > > spiritual> > > > > person do at times> > > > > turn out to hoax. Its very abstract and> beyond> > > the> > > > > scope of human> > > > > brain to comprehend only those who are> > > spiritually> > > > > enlighten can> > > > > really see whats going on !!> > > > >> === message truncated === Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile./maildemo Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Namasthe. It is not that simple. Planets are related to "different gods". Rasi's and yogas indicates their different manifestations. The general indication is : Sun : Shiva Moon : Bhagavathy Jupiter : Vishnu / Shiva / Brahma Venus : Lakshmi Mercury : Avathara Vishnu (Sree Krishna , Sree Rama Etc) Mars : Subramanya Saturn : Sastha Pancha Bhootas Earth : Mercury Water : Venus Fire : Mars Air : Saturn Ether : Jupiter Further Indications Sun : In all Chara & Sthira Rasis - Shiva Sun : Ubhaya Rasi : First Drekana : Subramanya Second Drekana: Ganapathy Third Drekana : Shiva Taurus Third Drekana : Ganapthy Taurus Fist & Second Drekana: Yakshi Moon : Strong - Bhagavathy Weak - Badrakali Aries - Chamundi Vrischika - Chamundi / Kali Mars : Odd Signs (Purusha Rasis) - Subramanya / Bhairava Even Signs (Sthree Rasi) - Chamundi / Badrakali Mercury : Chara & Ubhaya Rasi - Avathar of Vishnu First & Second Drekana - Gopala Krishna Third Drekana - Maha Vishnu Jupiter : Vishnu Venus : Taurus : Annapoorneswari Taurus Navamsaka : Ganapathy Taurus Third Drekana : Ganapathy Thula : Lakshmi Mithuna / Kanya - Yakshi Odd signs (Purusha) : Ganapathy Saturn : Sastha , Kiratha Rahu : Sarpa Ketu : Sarpa Kanya particularly in Kanya and Sthree / Sarpa Drekana : Other Badrakali Gulika : Pretha / Rakshas / Rahu Guna Satwic Rasi : Leo, Sagittarius, Cancer & Pisces Rajasic : Gemini, Libra, Taurus, Virgo Tamasic : Aries, Aquarius, Scorpio & Capricorn Form First Drekana : Standing Second Drekana : Lying down Third Drekana : Sitting Dasavataras Sun : Sri Rama Moon : Sri Krishna Mars : Nara Simha Mercury : Budha Venus : Parsurama Saturn : Koorma Avathara Rahu : Varaha Moorthy Ketu : Meena avathara Sun Variations of Shiva/Vishnu Jupiter in Trines or Kendra of Sun with Sad Varga of Sun : Dhanwandhari / Mrithynjaya devatha Sun in kendra of Moon : Ardha Nareeswari Sun in Kendra / Trikona of Mercury : Sankara Narayana Sun in Kendra/ Trkona Venus : Nataraja Sun in Kendra / Trkona of Saturn: Kiratha Moorthy Sun in Kendra / Trikona of Venus & Jupiter : Dakshina Moorthy Moon : Variations of Durga In Kendra / Trikona of Jupiter : Annapoorneswari Do Mercury : Saraswathy Do Venus : Vaishnavi Do of Venus & Jupiter & Mercury : Rajarajeswari Do Mars : Sumbha Nisumbha Kula Nasini Do Saturn : Mahishasura Mardhini In Cancer as 7th House : Jala Durga In Cancer as 10th House : Durga with open Top (Without Canopy) If the longitude of the planets are greater than Moon : Devi after the Samhara Kriya else starting samhara kriya (mars, Saturn ) Malefic along with Moon , Mercury in the 7th and Jupiter in Kendra / Trikona : Mathangi Malefic along with Moon , Mercury in the 7th and Jupiter in Kendra / Trikona in the drekana of Mercury or Saturn : Syamala Devi Jupiter in Kendra of Moon , Venus in 5th or 9th and Mercury along with any of the three : Mohini devi (Daughter of Yasodha) Moon along with Sun and aspected by Staurn and Jupiter in 7th : Mohini (Mother of Sastha) Mars : Variations of Kali In Aries or Scorpio Rasi/Navamsaka : Badrakali In Odd House and Even Navamsaka : Kali - Sister of Veera Badra In Leo Rasi/Navamsaka along with or aspected by Sun : Bhairavee Mars with Papa Madhyasthithy : Kali – Darikamardini In Cancer Nvamsaka along with or aspected by Moon :Balabadra In Gemini/Kanya along with or aspected by Mercury : Chandika Do Jupiter : Mangalakarini Do Venus : Raktheswari Do Saturn : Chamundi Do Rahu : Raktha Varahi Do Ketu : Neecha Bhagavathy Do Gulika : Kshudra Marana Moorthy In Satru Rasi / Neecha Rasi (Debilation) : Smasana Kali , Bhairava, Gandakarna etc As for Sukra / Vishnu : It depends on the form the Visnu you meditate like Lakshmi Narayana or Lord Venketeswara "Vishnu Vaksha sthithaye namaha" Lakshmi is the consort of Vishnu "Vashikaran" - attraction is the quality of Sri Krishna "Ohm Kleem Krishnaya Namaha" "Kleem" is the Kama Beeja do not misunderstand the word "Kama" with sex. I hope this explaines your query Suresh Babu --- GIRISH KULKARNI <girish_p_kulkarni wrote: > in a kundli there r 12 houses....is it that each > house is represented by a different god, if so > kindly let me know the relation between each house & > each god & also relation between each planet & each > god.............coz planets definitely r related to > gods, hence if we pray to vishnu, shukra becomes > strong in us , which i have experienced, so u feel > more energetic & also u tend to attract people by > means of vashikaran, which r the qualities of > shukra............... > kindly solve my query at the > earliest................. > > "Suresh Babu.A.G" <sureshbabuag wrote: > Namasthe > > Are you aware that Ketu is one of the Paryaya > (names) > of Lord Ganesha. This is explained in Skanda Purana. > > > In one of earlier posts I had hinted about the > complexity and expanciveness of astrology. But > unfortunately few people today realise the true > potential about its knowledge and be satisfied by > its > mundane application. > > As a matter of discussion may I bring another point. > > > Lord Vishnu rests on the coil of Ananda in the > middle > of "Palaazhi" - Milky oceon (Milkyway ?) > > The same Ananda is a garland on Maheshwara. > > Lord Ganesha Has tied Ananda as a Belt on his vast > Stomach. The idea is to restrict Brahmamda from > crossing its borders. > > In this contest shall I add > > "Adho nishtya vithasthyanthe nabhyamuparithishtathy" > "Hridayam thadwijaneeyathviswasyayathanam mahath" > > with regards > Suresh > > > > > > --- Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas wrote: > > > Dear Suresh: > > > > It is indeed amazing how mystic it gets and still > > can be explained by > > the knowledge of Maharishis. > > > > I had an experience myself, i was in company of > > highly spiritual > > teacher, he was a reiki master and kriya yogi and > > during interaction > > with him i told him about snakes in my dreams > > ......he asked me to > > close my eyes and see the first thing that comes > to > > my mind. During > > those days i was more of Hanuman Bhakta, but it > was > > amazing how i saw > > Lord Ganesha and his image was so big as to cover > > the entire universe. > > I opened my eyes and my teacher was smiling. I > didnt > > had snakes in my > > dreams after that and certainly he did something > to > > pacify my > > kundalini. > > > > After learning astrology, i came to know Lord > > Ganesha controls > > kundalini energy and hence the vision. Was a great > > experience how > > various lords control different aspects of life > and > > why we should > > worship them. > > > > Hare Krishna > > > > Bharat > > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:34:10 -0800 (PST), Suresh > > Babu.A.G > > <sureshbabuag wrote: > > > > > > Namasthe. > > > > > > Exactly. a few days back a person came to me and > i > > > told him that his Kula Devatha is Devaki > Krishna. > > He > > > was surprised and narrated an incident. His > > parents > > > had gone for a pilgrimage to Himalayas. There > they > > > found a Yogi (Avadoot) sitting below a Tree > > surrounded > > > by a few people. On seeying his parents this > yogi > > > called them and gave them a statue of Devaki > > Krishna > > > and asked them to worship it and practicaly > > ordered > > > them to leave the place. At that time they never > > > understood the significance. But they were > > following > > > it to day. > > > > > > We both were surprised. what you have said is > 100% > > > true and the above proves it. > > > > > > But we have to search and re-search through all > > > possible means, then only the Amrith of > Knowledge > > > shall be got. > > > > > > My prayer to the almighty is for that ray of > > > knowledge, sothat it may be of use for the > > mankind. > > > > > > With Regards > > > Suresh Babu > > > > > > > > > --- Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Suresh: > > > > > > > > Precisely !! Our poorva janam is seen is 12th > > house > > > > and hence 12th > > > > from karakamsa also shows ur Ista Devata, its > > also > > > > the devata which > > > > will help us to get to moksha. Enlightened > > spiritual > > > > gurus doesnt even > > > > have to look upto horoscope to see our Ista, > > they > > > > can just see at ur > > > > soul and tell you which devata to follow. > These > > > > enlightened spiritual > > > > gurus are the ones who can answer our other > > > > questions when ? How and > > > > where. > > > > > > > > No doubt astrology can do it but it needs a > lot > > of > > > > expertise, also i > > > > would rather trust a spiritually enlightened > > than to > > > > trust any > > > > astrologer who i would hardly know. These > > decisions > > > > like i said are > > > > more astral and casual in nature and hence the > > final > > > > decision rests in > > > > the hand of parmatmaa and only a truly > > enlightened > > > > soul like > > > > Yoganandaji is authority when dealing with > this. > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna > > > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:21:42 -0800 (PST), > Suresh > > > > Babu.A.G > > > > <sureshbabuag wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namathe > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 Namasthe.It is not that simple. Planets are related to "different gods". Rasi's andyogas indicates their different manifestations. The general indication is :Sun : ShivaMoon : Bhagavathy Jupiter : Vishnu / Shiva / BrahmaVenus : LakshmiMercury : Avathara Vishnu (Sree Krishna , Sree RamaEtc)Mars : SubramanyaSaturn : Sastha Pancha BhootasEarth : MercuryWater : VenusFire : MarsAir : SaturnEther : JupiterFurther IndicationsSun : In all Chara & Sthira Rasis - ShivaSun : Ubhaya Rasi : First Drekana : SubramanyaSecond Drekana: GanapathyThird Drekana : ShivaTaurus Third Drekana : GanapthyTaurus Fist & Second Drekana: YakshiMoon : Strong - BhagavathyWeak - BadrakaliAries - ChamundiVrischika - Chamundi / KaliMars : Odd Signs (Purusha Rasis) - Subramanya /BhairavaEven Signs (Sthree Rasi) - Chamundi /BadrakaliMercury : Chara & Ubhaya Rasi - Avathar of VishnuFirst & Second Drekana - Gopala KrishnaThird Drekana - Maha VishnuJupiter : VishnuVenus : Taurus : AnnapoorneswariTaurus Navamsaka : GanapathyTaurus Third Drekana : GanapathyThula : LakshmiMithuna / Kanya - YakshiOdd signs (Purusha) : GanapathySaturn : Sastha , KirathaRahu : SarpaKetu : Sarpa Kanya particularly in Kanya and Sthree /Sarpa Drekana : Other Badrakali Gulika : Pretha / Rakshas / Rahu GunaSatwic Rasi : Leo, Sagittarius, Cancer & PiscesRajasic : Gemini, Libra, Taurus, VirgoTamasic : Aries, Aquarius, Scorpio & CapricornFormFirst Drekana : Standing Second Drekana : Lying downThird Drekana : SittingDasavatarasSun : Sri RamaMoon : Sri KrishnaMars : Nara SimhaMercury : BudhaVenus : ParsuramaSaturn : Koorma AvatharaRahu : Varaha MoorthyKetu : Meena avatharaSun Variations of Shiva/VishnuJupiter in Trines or Kendra of Sun with Sad Varga ofSun : Dhanwandhari / Mrithynjaya devathaSun in kendra of Moon : Ardha NareeswariSun in Kendra / Trikona of Mercury : Sankara NarayanaSun in Kendra/ Trkona Venus : NatarajaSun in Kendra / Trkona of Saturn: Kiratha MoorthySun in Kendra / Trikona of Venus & Jupiter : DakshinaMoorthyMoon : Variations of DurgaIn Kendra / Trikona of Jupiter : AnnapoorneswariDo Mercury : SaraswathyDo Venus : VaishnaviDo of Venus & Jupiter & Mercury : RajarajeswariDo Mars : Sumbha Nisumbha Kula NasiniDo Saturn : Mahishasura MardhiniIn Cancer as 7th House : Jala DurgaIn Cancer as 10th House : Durga with open Top (WithoutCanopy)If the longitude of the planets are greater than Moon: Devi after the Samhara Kriya else starting samharakriya (mars, Saturn ) Malefic along with Moon , Mercury in the 7th andJupiter in Kendra / Trikona : MathangiMalefic along with Moon , Mercury in the 7th andJupiter in Kendra / Trikona in the drekana of Mercuryor Saturn : Syamala DeviJupiter in Kendra of Moon , Venus in 5th or 9th andMercury along with any of the three : Mohini devi(Daughter of Yasodha)Moon along with Sun and aspected by Staurn and Jupiterin 7th : Mohini (Mother of Sastha)Mars : Variations of Kali In Aries or Scorpio Rasi/Navamsaka : BadrakaliIn Odd House and Even Navamsaka : Kali - Sister ofVeera BadraIn Leo Rasi/Navamsaka along with or aspected by Sun :BhairaveeMars with Papa Madhyasthithy : Kali – DarikamardiniIn Cancer Nvamsaka along with or aspected by Moon:BalabadraIn Gemini/Kanya along with or aspected by Mercury :ChandikaDo Jupiter : MangalakariniDo Venus : RaktheswariDo Saturn : ChamundiDo Rahu : Raktha VarahiDo Ketu : Neecha BhagavathyDo Gulika : Kshudra Marana MoorthyIn Satru Rasi / Neecha Rasi (Debilation) : SmasanaKali , Bhairava, Gandakarna etcAs for Sukra / Vishnu : It depends on the form theVisnu you meditate like Lakshmi Narayana or LordVenketeswara"Vishnu Vaksha sthithaye namaha"Lakshmi is the consort of Vishnu"Vashikaran" - attraction is the quality of SriKrishna "Ohm Kleem Krishnaya Namaha""Kleem" is the Kama Beejado not misunderstand the word "Kama" with sex.I hope this explaines your querySuresh Babu--- GIRISH KULKARNI wrote:> in a kundli there r 12 houses....is it that each> house is represented by a different god, if so> kindly let me know the relation between each house &> each god & also relation between each planet & each> god.............coz planets definitely r related to> gods, hence if we pray to vishnu, shukra becomes> strong in us , which i have experienced, so u feel> more energetic & also u tend to attract people by> means of vashikaran, which r the qualities of> shukra...............> kindly solve my query at the> earliest.................> > "Suresh Babu.A.G" wrote:> Namasthe> > Are you aware that Ketu is one of the Paryaya> (names)> of Lord Ganesha. This is explained in Skanda Purana.> > > In one of earlier posts I had hinted about the> complexity and expanciveness of astrology. But> unfortunately few people today realise the true> potential about its knowledge and be satisfied by> its> mundane application. > > As a matter of discussion may I bring another point.> > > Lord Vishnu rests on the coil of Ananda in the> middle> of "Palaazhi" - Milky oceon (Milkyway ?) > > The same Ananda is a garland on Maheshwara. > > Lord Ganesha Has tied Ananda as a Belt on his vast> Stomach. The idea is to restrict Brahmamda from> crossing its borders. > > In this contest shall I add> > "Adho nishtya vithasthyanthe nabhyamuparithishtathy"> "Hridayam thadwijaneeyathviswasyayathanam mahath"> > with regards> Suresh> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Bharat Vyas wrote:> > > Dear Suresh:> > > > It is indeed amazing how mystic it gets and still> > can be explained by> > the knowledge of Maharishis.> > > > I had an experience myself, i was in company of> > highly spiritual> > teacher, he was a reiki master and kriya yogi and> > during interaction> > with him i told him about snakes in my dreams> > ......he asked me to> > close my eyes and see the first thing that comes> to> > my mind. During> > those days i was more of Hanuman Bhakta, but it> was> > amazing how i saw> > Lord Ganesha and his image was so big as to cover> > the entire universe.> > I opened my eyes and my teacher was smiling. I> didnt> > had snakes in my> > dreams after that and certainly he did something> to> > pacify my> > kundalini.> > > > After learning astrology, i came to know Lord> > Ganesha controls> > kundalini energy and hence the vision. Was a great> > experience how> > various lords control different aspects of life> and> > why we should> > worship them.> > > > Hare Krishna> > > > Bharat> > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:34:10 -0800 (PST), Suresh> > Babu.A.G> > wrote:> > > > > > Namasthe.> > > > > > Exactly. a few days back a person came to me and> i> > > told him that his Kula Devatha is Devaki> Krishna.> > He> > > was surprised and narrated an incident. His> > parents> > > had gone for a pilgrimage to Himalayas. There> they> > > found a Yogi (Avadoot) sitting below a Tree> > surrounded> > > by a few people. On seeying his parents this> yogi> > > called them and gave them a statue of Devaki> > Krishna> > > and asked them to worship it and practicaly> > ordered> > > them to leave the place. At that time they never> > > understood the significance. But they were> > following> > > it to day.> > > > > > We both were surprised. what you have said is> 100%> > > true and the above proves it.> > > > > > But we have to search and re-search through all> > > possible means, then only the Amrith of> Knowledge> > > shall be got.> > > > > > My prayer to the almighty is for that ray of> > > knowledge, sothat it may be of use for the> > mankind.> > > > > > With Regards> > > Suresh Babu> > > > > > > > > --- Bharat Vyas wrote:> > > > > > > Dear Suresh:> > > >> > > > Precisely !! Our poorva janam is seen is 12th> > house> > > > and hence 12th> > > > from karakamsa also shows ur Ista Devata, its> > also> > > > the devata which> > > > will help us to get to moksha. Enlightened> > spiritual> > > > gurus doesnt even> > > > have to look upto horoscope to see our Ista,> > they> > > > can just see at ur> > > > soul and tell you which devata to follow.> These> > > > enlightened spiritual> > > > gurus are the ones who can answer our other> > > > questions when ? How and> > > > where.> > > >> > > > No doubt astrology can do it but it needs a> lot> > of> > > > expertise, also i> > > > would rather trust a spiritually enlightened> > than to> > > > trust any> > > > astrologer who i would hardly know. These> > decisions> > > > like i said are> > > > more astral and casual in nature and hence the> > final> > > > decision rests in> > > > the hand of parmatmaa and only a truly> > enlightened> > > > soul like> > > > Yoganandaji is authority when dealing with> this.> > > >> > > > Hare Krishna> > > >> > > > Bharat> > > >> > > >> > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:21:42 -0800 (PST),> Suresh> > > > Babu.A.G> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Namathe> === message truncated === Do you ? ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> What would our lives be like without music, dance, and theater?Donate or volunteer in the arts today at Network for Good!http://us.click./WwRTUD/SOnJAA/i1hLAA/.8XolB/TM--~-> Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... 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Guest guest Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 Namasthe Please note that the dieties propitated or the name changes from place to place. accordingly the dharma devathas , Grama devathas etc indicated may also change . Hence it is better to analyse taking these factors into consideration. Suresh Babu --- GIRISH KULKARNI <girish_p_kulkarni wrote: > Sir this not only solves my query but also educates > me............thanx..... > > "Suresh Babu.A.G" <sureshbabuag wrote: > Namasthe. > > It is not that simple. > > Planets are related to "different gods". Rasi's and > yogas indicates their different manifestations. > > > The general indication is : > Sun : Shiva > Moon : Bhagavathy > Jupiter : Vishnu / Shiva / Brahma > Venus : Lakshmi > Mercury : Avathara Vishnu (Sree Krishna , Sree Rama > Etc) > Mars : Subramanya > Saturn : Sastha > > Pancha Bhootas > Earth : Mercury > Water : Venus > Fire : Mars > Air : Saturn > Ether : Jupiter > > Further Indications > Sun : In all Chara & Sthira Rasis - Shiva > Sun : Ubhaya Rasi : First Drekana : Subramanya > Second Drekana: Ganapathy > Third Drekana : Shiva > Taurus Third Drekana : Ganapthy > Taurus Fist & Second Drekana: Yakshi > Moon : Strong - Bhagavathy > Weak - Badrakali > Aries - Chamundi > Vrischika - Chamundi / Kali > Mars : Odd Signs (Purusha Rasis) - Subramanya / > Bhairava > Even Signs (Sthree Rasi) - Chamundi / > Badrakali > Mercury : Chara & Ubhaya Rasi - Avathar of Vishnu > First & Second Drekana - Gopala Krishna > Third Drekana - Maha Vishnu > Jupiter : Vishnu > Venus : Taurus : Annapoorneswari > Taurus Navamsaka : Ganapathy > Taurus Third Drekana : Ganapathy > Thula : Lakshmi > Mithuna / Kanya - Yakshi > Odd signs (Purusha) : Ganapathy > > Saturn : Sastha , Kiratha > Rahu : Sarpa > Ketu : Sarpa Kanya particularly in Kanya and Sthree > / > Sarpa Drekana > : Other Badrakali > > Gulika : Pretha / Rakshas / Rahu > > Guna > Satwic Rasi : Leo, Sagittarius, Cancer & Pisces > Rajasic : Gemini, Libra, Taurus, Virgo > Tamasic : Aries, Aquarius, Scorpio & Capricorn > > Form > First Drekana : Standing > Second Drekana : Lying down > Third Drekana : Sitting > > Dasavataras > Sun : Sri Rama > Moon : Sri Krishna > Mars : Nara Simha > Mercury : Budha > Venus : Parsurama > Saturn : Koorma Avathara > Rahu : Varaha Moorthy > Ketu : Meena avathara > > Sun Variations of Shiva/Vishnu > Jupiter in Trines or Kendra of Sun with Sad Varga of > Sun : Dhanwandhari / Mrithynjaya devatha > Sun in kendra of Moon : Ardha Nareeswari > Sun in Kendra / Trikona of Mercury : Sankara > Narayana > Sun in Kendra/ Trkona Venus : Nataraja > Sun in Kendra / Trkona of Saturn: Kiratha Moorthy > Sun in Kendra / Trikona of Venus & Jupiter : > Dakshina > Moorthy > Moon : Variations of Durga > In Kendra / Trikona of Jupiter : Annapoorneswari > Do Mercury : Saraswathy > Do Venus : Vaishnavi > Do of Venus & Jupiter & Mercury : Rajarajeswari > Do Mars : Sumbha Nisumbha Kula Nasini > Do Saturn : Mahishasura Mardhini > In Cancer as 7th House : Jala Durga > In Cancer as 10th House : Durga with open Top > (Without > Canopy) > If the longitude of the planets are greater than > Moon > : Devi after the Samhara Kriya else starting samhara > kriya (mars, Saturn ) > Malefic along with Moon , Mercury in the 7th and > Jupiter in Kendra / Trikona : Mathangi > Malefic along with Moon , Mercury in the 7th and > Jupiter in Kendra / Trikona in the drekana of > Mercury > or Saturn : Syamala Devi > > Jupiter in Kendra of Moon , Venus in 5th or 9th and > Mercury along with any of the three : Mohini devi > (Daughter of Yasodha) > > Moon along with Sun and aspected by Staurn and > Jupiter > in 7th : Mohini (Mother of Sastha) > > Mars : Variations of Kali > In Aries or Scorpio Rasi/Navamsaka : Badrakali > In Odd House and Even Navamsaka : Kali - Sister of > Veera Badra > In Leo Rasi/Navamsaka along with or aspected by Sun > : > Bhairavee > Mars with Papa Madhyasthithy : Kali – Darikamardini > In Cancer Nvamsaka along with or aspected by Moon > :Balabadra > In Gemini/Kanya along with or aspected by Mercury : > Chandika > Do Jupiter : Mangalakarini > Do Venus : Raktheswari > Do Saturn : Chamundi > Do Rahu : Raktha Varahi > Do Ketu : Neecha Bhagavathy > Do Gulika : Kshudra Marana Moorthy > In Satru Rasi / Neecha Rasi (Debilation) : Smasana > Kali , Bhairava, Gandakarna etc > > > As for Sukra / Vishnu : It depends on the form the > Visnu you meditate like Lakshmi Narayana or Lord > Venketeswara > "Vishnu Vaksha sthithaye namaha" > > Lakshmi is the consort of Vishnu > "Vashikaran" - attraction is the quality of Sri > Krishna > "Ohm Kleem Krishnaya Namaha" > "Kleem" is the Kama Beeja > do not misunderstand the word "Kama" with sex. > > I hope this explaines your query > Suresh Babu > > > > --- GIRISH KULKARNI > wrote: > > > in a kundli there r 12 houses....is it that each > > house is represented by a different god, if so > > kindly let me know the relation between each house > & > > each god & also relation between each planet & > each > > god.............coz planets definitely r related > to > > gods, hence if we pray to vishnu, shukra becomes > > strong in us , which i have experienced, so u feel > > more energetic & also u tend to attract people by > > means of vashikaran, which r the qualities of > > shukra............... > > kindly solve my query at the > > earliest................. > > > > "Suresh Babu.A.G" wrote: > > Namasthe > > > > Are you aware that Ketu is one of the Paryaya > > (names) > > of Lord Ganesha. This is explained in Skanda > Purana. > > > > > > In one of earlier posts I had hinted about the > > complexity and expanciveness of astrology. But > === message truncated === Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail./mail_250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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