Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 ||| Hare Rama Krishna ||| Dear Pramod and List Members Namaskaar. Pramod – glad to see you're better trying to understand the concept. If the rays of the Sun are indeed strong and influence the planet with it, can we not infer that the functionality of it is also affected somehow…? Now consider what the planet that is in combustion is doing, or was intending to do… If Baadhakesh, some of the effects could me minimized in causing obstacles. My concern here is that Venus is not only the Chara AtmaKaraka, but is under the aspects of all the malefics. Have you found your Ishta? I feel that having the Ishta on your side will take care of the YogaKaraka and the BAadhakesh. Best wishes, Nitin. || Namah Shivaaya || > But the question that i always get in mind is what about yogakarakas > getting combusted and the badhakas getting combusted...i heard if a > bad planet gets combusted its power to give bad results get reduced > and hence good... > > Just to give an example,In My horo, I am born in cancer lagna during > day time at 2.15 PM afternoon with 4 planets in 9th house...i.e pisces > sun(24.51'),Venus(25.06'),Mars(23.35') and Mercury(6.23') > here exalted venus being 4th and 11th lord is a badhaka to cancer > lagna and is completely combusted ....mars is also combusted. > Hence venus bad effects will be reduced...and mars's good effects are > reduced....Is it true then...?? > > I am giving my birthdate for your reference. > Date of Birth: 8th April 1981 > Time of Birth : 14.15 IST > Place of Birth: Bangalore,India > Latitude: 12.58 N > Longitude: 77.36 E > > Regards > Pramod. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 || Om Gurave Namah || Dear Pramod, My understanding is Planets near Sun becomes more tamasic when, just before Sun and after it crosses degree of combustion it becomes very rajasic. Planets when 7th from Sun becomes very saatvic. Just Like Moon they wax and wane. In fact Kalyana Verma in his Saravalli calls Combusts planets Avasta as 'Vikal', A word interesting MW Dictionary gives as "f. a woman in whom menstruation has begun". Moon is the Shakti all other(excluding sun) Planets are just part of it. Badhakesh when it becomes tamasic in nature it's not good. Try to match this with your dasa/antardas of Mars and Venus and tell the results. Warm Regards Sanjay P Om Tat Sat vedic astrology, "Nitin" <astronitin> wrote: > > ||| Hare Rama Krishna ||| > > > Dear Pramod and List Members Namaskaar. > > Pramod � glad to see you're better trying to understand the concept. > If the rays of the Sun are indeed strong and influence the planet with > it, can we not infer that the functionality of it is also affected > somehow�? > > Now consider what the planet that is in combustion is doing, or was > intending to do� > > If Baadhakesh, some of the effects could me minimized in causing > obstacles. > > My concern here is that Venus is not only the Chara AtmaKaraka, but is > under the aspects of all the malefics. Have you found your Ishta? > > I feel that having the Ishta on your side will take care of the > YogaKaraka and the BAadhakesh. > > Best wishes, > Nitin. > > > || Namah Shivaaya || > > > > > > But the question that i always get in mind is what about yogakarakas > > getting combusted and the badhakas getting combusted...i heard if a > > bad planet gets combusted its power to give bad results get reduced > > and hence good... > > > > Just to give an example,In My horo, I am born in cancer lagna during > > day time at 2.15 PM afternoon with 4 planets in 9th house...i.e pisces > > sun(24.51'),Venus(25.06'),Mars(23.35') and Mercury(6.23') > > here exalted venus being 4th and 11th lord is a badhaka to cancer > > lagna and is completely combusted ....mars is also combusted. > > Hence venus bad effects will be reduced...and mars's good effects are > > reduced....Is it true then...?? > > > > I am giving my birthdate for your reference. > > Date of Birth: 8th April 1981 > > Time of Birth : 14.15 IST > > Place of Birth: Bangalore,India > > Latitude: 12.58 N > > Longitude: 77.36 E > > > > Regards > > Pramod. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 my venus is also Ak and combust in the 5th house...what does this mean exactly? thks amitNitin <astronitin > wrote: ||| Hare Rama Krishna |||Dear Pramod and List Members Namaskaar. Pramod – glad to see you're better trying to understand the concept.If the rays of the Sun are indeed strong and influence the planet withit, can we not infer that the functionality of it is also affectedsomehow…?Now consider what the planet that is in combustion is doing, or wasintending to do…If Baadhakesh, some of the effects could me minimized in causingobstacles.My concern here is that Venus is not only the Chara AtmaKaraka, but isunder the aspects of all the malefics. Have you found your Ishta?I feel that having the Ishta on your side will take care of theYogaKaraka and the BAadhakesh. Best wishes,Nitin.|| Namah Shivaaya ||> But the question that i always get in mind is what about yogakarakas> getting combusted and the badhakas getting combusted...i heard if a> bad planet gets combusted its power to give bad results get reduced> and hence good...>> Just to give an example,In My horo, I am born in cancer lagna during> day time at 2.15 PM afternoon with 4 planets in 9th house...i.e pisces> sun(24.51'),Venus(25.06'),Mars(23.35') and Mercury(6.23')> here exalted venus being 4th and 11th lord is a badhaka to cancer> lagna and is completely combusted ....mars is also combusted.> Hence venus bad effects will be reduced...and mars's good effects are> reduced....Is it true then...??>> I am giving my birthdate for your reference.> Date of Birth: 8th April 1981> Time of Birth : 14.15 IST> Place of Birth: Bangalore,India> Latitude: 12.58 N> Longitude: 77.36 E>> Regards> Pramod. >Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Namasthe The term "Vikal" has several meaning. One is " that which has lost strength/lusture". If we persue the meaning as you mentioned , Mensuration is due to agitation - "Kujendu Hora Prathimasamarthavam" "gathe thu peedarkshamanushnadeedhithow" "athonyathasthe ssubhapumgrihekshithe" "narenna samyogamupaithi kaminee" "When blood gets agitated by pitha" The words "Peedarksha" and "Ushna" clearly signifies the Heat and agitated state. The mnsuration blood is called "Rajas". The "Ra" is agni tathwa which is Rajasic and not Tamasic ("Ra"ma) Finaly the Sun who is the cause of combustion itself is a "Ra"jasic Planet Hence the meaning is more like : combust - Vikal - agitated. Hope this helps Suresh Babu --- sanjaychettiar wrote: > > || Om Gurave Namah || > Dear Pramod, > My understanding is Planets near Sun becomes more > tamasic when, just > before Sun and after it crosses degree of > combustion it becomes very > rajasic. Planets when 7th from Sun becomes very > saatvic. > Just Like Moon they wax and wane. > > In fact Kalyana Verma in his Saravalli calls > Combusts planets > Avasta as 'Vikal', A word interesting MW Dictionary > gives as > "f. a woman in whom menstruation has begun". Moon > is the Shakti > all other(excluding sun) Planets are just part of > it. > > Badhakesh when it becomes tamasic in nature it's > not good. > > Try to match this with your dasa/antardas of Mars > and Venus > and tell the results. > > Warm Regards > Sanjay P > > Om Tat Sat > > > > vedic astrology, "Nitin" > <astronitin> wrote: > > > > ||| Hare Rama Krishna ||| > > > > > > Dear Pramod and List Members Namaskaar. > > > > Pramod � glad to see you're better trying to > understand the concept. > > If the rays of the Sun are indeed strong and > influence the planet with > > it, can we not infer that the functionality of it > is also affected > > somehow�? > > > > Now consider what the planet that is in combustion > is doing, or was > > intending to do� > > > > If Baadhakesh, some of the effects could me > minimized in causing > > obstacles. > > > > My concern here is that Venus is not only the > Chara AtmaKaraka, but is > > under the aspects of all the malefics. Have you > found your Ishta? > > > > I feel that having the Ishta on your side will > take care of the > > YogaKaraka and the BAadhakesh. > > > > Best wishes, > > Nitin. > > > > > > || Namah Shivaaya || > > > > > > > > > > > But the question that i always get in mind is > what about yogakarakas > > > getting combusted and the badhakas getting > combusted...i heard if a > > > bad planet gets combusted its power to give bad > results get reduced > > > and hence good... > > > > > > Just to give an example,In My horo, I am born in > cancer lagna during > > > day time at 2.15 PM afternoon with 4 planets in > 9th house...i.e pisces > > > sun(24.51'),Venus(25.06'),Mars(23.35') and > Mercury(6.23') > > > here exalted venus being 4th and 11th lord is a > badhaka to cancer > > > lagna and is completely combusted ....mars is > also combusted. > > > Hence venus bad effects will be reduced...and > mars's good effects are > > > reduced....Is it true then...?? > > > > > > I am giving my birthdate for your reference. > > > Date of Birth: 8th April 1981 > > > Time of Birth : 14.15 IST > > > Place of Birth: Bangalore,India > > > Latitude: 12.58 N > > > Longitude: 77.36 E > > > > > > Regards > > > Pramod. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 || Om Gurave Namah || Dear Suresh Babu, Possibly you did not understand the correlation I was trying to bring out. Moon degree is Sun is grouped into three gunas. 0 to 120 deg. from sun Rajasic (Shukla prathmai to Dasami S10) 120 to 240 deg. Satwic (Shukla Ekadasi S11 to Krishna Panchami K5) 240 to 360 degrees is more tamasic. (Krishna shasti to Amavasya) Representing three forms of shakti. Varahamihira also gives indications when a planet becomes visible after conj. sun. -Warm Regards Sanjay P Om Tat Sat vedic astrology, "Suresh Babu.A.G" <sureshbabuag> wrote: > Namasthe > > The term "Vikal" has several meaning. One is " that > which has lost strength/lusture". If we persue the > meaning as you mentioned , Mensuration is due to > agitation - > > "Kujendu Hora Prathimasamarthavam" > "gathe thu peedarkshamanushnadeedhithow" > "athonyathasthe ssubhapumgrihekshithe" > "narenna samyogamupaithi kaminee" > > "When blood gets agitated by pitha" > > The words "Peedarksha" and "Ushna" clearly signifies > the Heat and agitated state. > > The mnsuration blood is called "Rajas". The "Ra" is > agni tathwa which is Rajasic and not Tamasic ("Ra"ma) > > Finaly the Sun who is the cause of combustion itself > is a "Ra"jasic Planet > > > Hence the meaning is more like : combust - Vikal - > agitated. > > Hope this helps > Suresh Babu > > > > > --- sanjaychettiar@g... wrote: > > > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > > Dear Pramod, > > My understanding is Planets near Sun becomes more > > tamasic when, just > > before Sun and after it crosses degree of > > combustion it becomes very > > rajasic. Planets when 7th from Sun becomes very > > saatvic. > > Just Like Moon they wax and wane. > > > > In fact Kalyana Verma in his Saravalli calls > > Combusts planets > > Avasta as 'Vikal', A word interesting MW Dictionary > > gives as > > "f. a woman in whom menstruation has begun". Moon > > is the Shakti > > all other(excluding sun) Planets are just part of > > it. > > > > Badhakesh when it becomes tamasic in nature it's > > not good. > > > > Try to match this with your dasa/antardas of Mars > > and Venus > > and tell the results. > > > > Warm Regards > > Sanjay P > > > > Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Nitin" > > <astronitin> wrote: > > > > > > ||| Hare Rama Krishna ||| > > > > > > > > > Dear Pramod and List Members Namaskaar. > > > > > > Pramod � glad to see you're better trying to > > understand the concept. > > > If the rays of the Sun are indeed strong and > > influence the planet with > > > it, can we not infer that the functionality of it > > is also affected > > > somehow�? > > > > > > Now consider what the planet that is in combustion > > is doing, or was > > > intending to do� > > > > > > If Baadhakesh, some of the effects could me > > minimized in causing > > > obstacles. > > > > > > My concern here is that Venus is not only the > > Chara AtmaKaraka, but is > > > under the aspects of all the malefics. Have you > > found your Ishta? > > > > > > I feel that having the Ishta on your side will > > take care of the > > > YogaKaraka and the BAadhakesh. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Nitin. > > > > > > > > > || Namah Shivaaya || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But the question that i always get in mind is > > what about yogakarakas > > > > getting combusted and the badhakas getting > > combusted...i heard if a > > > > bad planet gets combusted its power to give bad > > results get reduced > > > > and hence good... > > > > > > > > Just to give an example,In My horo, I am born in > > cancer lagna during > > > > day time at 2.15 PM afternoon with 4 planets in > > 9th house...i.e pisces > > > > sun(24.51'),Venus(25.06'),Mars(23.35') and > > Mercury(6.23') > > > > here exalted venus being 4th and 11th lord is a > > badhaka to cancer > > > > lagna and is completely combusted ....mars is > > also combusted. > > > > Hence venus bad effects will be reduced...and > > mars's good effects are > > > > reduced....Is it true then...?? > > > > > > > > I am giving my birthdate for your reference. > > > > Date of Birth: 8th April 1981 > > > > Time of Birth : 14.15 IST > > > > Place of Birth: Bangalore,India > > > > Latitude: 12.58 N > > > > Longitude: 77.36 E > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Pramod. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Namasthe The way you put it is thought provoking. But I was pointing to the usage of the word "Vikal". After all only those planets withing the specific Kalas for each planets is considered to be combust and not those outtside this. That is the reason for my comment. Your observation on The Guna Tatwas is a welcome thought. With Regards Suresh --- sanjaychettiar wrote: > > || Om Gurave Namah || > Dear Suresh Babu, > Possibly you did not understand the correlation > I was trying to bring out. > > Moon degree is Sun is grouped into three gunas. > 0 to 120 deg. from sun Rajasic (Shukla prathmai to > Dasami S10) > 120 to 240 deg. Satwic (Shukla Ekadasi S11 to > Krishna Panchami K5) > 240 to 360 degrees is more tamasic. (Krishna shasti > to Amavasya) > > Representing three forms of shakti. > > Varahamihira also gives indications when a planet > becomes visible > after conj. sun. > > -Warm Regards > Sanjay P > > Om Tat Sat > vedic astrology, "Suresh > Babu.A.G" > <sureshbabuag> wrote: > > Namasthe > > > > The term "Vikal" has several meaning. One is " > that > > which has lost strength/lusture". If we persue the > > meaning as you mentioned , Mensuration is due to > > agitation - > > > > "Kujendu Hora Prathimasamarthavam" > > "gathe thu peedarkshamanushnadeedhithow" > > "athonyathasthe ssubhapumgrihekshithe" > > "narenna samyogamupaithi kaminee" > > > > "When blood gets agitated by pitha" > > > > The words "Peedarksha" and "Ushna" clearly > signifies > > the Heat and agitated state. > > > > The mnsuration blood is called "Rajas". The "Ra" > is > > agni tathwa which is Rajasic and not Tamasic > ("Ra"ma) > > > > Finaly the Sun who is the cause of combustion > itself > > is a "Ra"jasic Planet > > > > > > Hence the meaning is more like : combust - Vikal - > > agitated. > > > > Hope this helps > > Suresh Babu > > > > > > > > > > --- sanjaychettiar@g... wrote: > > > > > > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > > > Dear Pramod, > > > My understanding is Planets near Sun becomes > more > > > tamasic when, just > > > before Sun and after it crosses degree of > > > combustion it becomes very > > > rajasic. Planets when 7th from Sun becomes very > > > saatvic. > > > Just Like Moon they wax and wane. > > > > > > In fact Kalyana Verma in his Saravalli calls > > > Combusts planets > > > Avasta as 'Vikal', A word interesting MW > Dictionary > > > gives as > > > "f. a woman in whom menstruation has begun". > Moon > > > is the Shakti > > > all other(excluding sun) Planets are just part > of > > > it. > > > > > > Badhakesh when it becomes tamasic in nature > it's > > > not good. > > > > > > Try to match this with your dasa/antardas of > Mars > > > and Venus > > > and tell the results. > > > > > > Warm Regards > > > Sanjay P > > > > > > Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Nitin" > > > <astronitin> wrote: > > > > > > > > ||| Hare Rama Krishna ||| > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pramod and List Members Namaskaar. > > > > > > > > Pramod � glad to see you're better trying to > > > understand the concept. > > > > If the rays of the Sun are indeed strong and > > > influence the planet with > > > > it, can we not infer that the functionality of > it > > > is also affected > > > > somehow�? > > > > > > > > Now consider what the planet that is in > combustion > > > is doing, or was > > > > intending to do� > > > > > > > > If Baadhakesh, some of the effects could me > > > minimized in causing > > > > obstacles. > > > > > > > > My concern here is that Venus is not only the > > > Chara AtmaKaraka, but is > > > > under the aspects of all the malefics. Have > you > > > found your Ishta? > > > > > > > > I feel that having the Ishta on your side will > > > take care of the > > > > YogaKaraka and the BAadhakesh. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Nitin. > > > > > > > > > > > > || Namah Shivaaya || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But the question that i always get in mind > is > > > what about yogakarakas > > > > > getting combusted and the badhakas getting > > > combusted...i heard if a > > > > > bad planet gets combusted its power to give > bad > > > results get reduced > > > > > and hence good... > > > > > > > > > > Just to give an example,In My horo, I am > born in > > > cancer lagna during > > > > > day time at 2.15 PM afternoon with 4 planets > in > > > 9th house...i.e pisces > > > > > sun(24.51'),Venus(25.06'),Mars(23.35') and > > > Mercury(6.23') > > > > > here exalted venus being 4th and 11th lord > is a > > > badhaka to cancer > > > > > lagna and is completely combusted ....mars > is > > > also combusted. > > > > > Hence venus bad effects will be > reduced...and > > > mars's good effects are > > > > > reduced....Is it true then...?? > > > > > > > > > > I am giving my birthdate for your reference. > > > > > Date of Birth: 8th April 1981 > > > > > Time of Birth : 14.15 IST > > > > > Place of Birth: Bangalore,India > > > > > Latitude: 12.58 N > > > > > Longitude: 77.36 E > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Pramod. > > > > > > Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. 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