Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Dear all, Have a question about the motherland of a person. Technically, the country a person is born in, will be his/her motherland. But, which country should be taken in the following case. Case 1 : A couple from India go to country X for a 2 year assignment, and a child is born to them. After the assignment, they return back to India, with the child, never to go back again. Now, by nationality, culture, heritage, upbringing, and everything else, the child is absolutely Indian. But, in a legal and technical sense, the child's place of birth is not India. Now, when we consider quesitons from an astrology point of view, do we take India as the motherland, or do we go by counry X ? Thanks in advance. Pratibha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 vedic astrology, "Pratibha James" <pratibha_james> wrote: > > > Dear all, > > Have a question about the motherland of a person. Technically, the > country a person is born in, will be his/her motherland. But, which > country should be taken in the following case. > > Case 1 : A couple from India go to country X for a 2 year assignment, > and a child is born to them. After the assignment, they return back to > India, with the child, never to go back again. Now, by nationality, > culture, heritage, upbringing, and everything else, the child is > absolutely Indian. But, in a legal and technical sense, the child's > place of birth is not India. > > Now, when we consider quesitons from an astrology point of view, do > we take India as the motherland, or do we go by counry X ? > > Thanks in advance. > Pratibha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Namaste, Motherland is the land to whose history and culture one associates with. ... On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 05:28:50 -0000, Pratibha James <pratibha_james wrote: > > > Dear all, > > Have a question about the motherland of a person. Technically, the > country a person is born in, will be his/her motherland. But, which > country should be taken in the following case. > > Case 1 : A couple from India go to country X for a 2 year assignment, > and a child is born to them. After the assignment, they return back to > India, with the child, never to go back again. Now, by nationality, > culture, heritage, upbringing, and everything else, the child is > absolutely Indian. But, in a legal and technical sense, the child's > place of birth is not India. > > Now, when we consider quesitons from an astrology point of view, do > we take India as the motherland, or do we go by counry X ? > > Thanks in advance. > Pratibha > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > ________________________________ > Links > > vedic astrology/ > > > vedic astrology > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 I believe, we have to go by the Country of Birth. --- Pratibha James <pratibha_james wrote: > > > Dear all, > > Have a question about the motherland of a person. Technically, the > country a person is born in, will be his/her motherland. But, which > country should be taken in the following case. > > Case 1 : A couple from India go to country X for a 2 year assignment, > and a child is born to them. After the assignment, they return back to > India, with the child, never to go back again. Now, by nationality, > culture, heritage, upbringing, and everything else, the child is > absolutely Indian. But, in a legal and technical sense, the child's > place of birth is not India. > > Now, when we consider quesitons from an astrology point of view, do > we take India as the motherland, or do we go by counry X ? > > Thanks in advance. > Pratibha > > > > > > > > ===== alternate email is raichuranant:Location Bombay India Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 Definitely, it is the country of birth to be taken for all astrological purposes. This has been confirmed by learned astrologers. With regards Ramachandran vedic astrology, sridhar k <kopparsa> wrote: > I believe, we have to go by the Country of Birth. > > --- Pratibha James <pratibha_james> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > Have a question about the motherland of a person. Technically, the > > country a person is born in, will be his/her motherland. But, which > > country should be taken in the following case. > > > > Case 1 : A couple from India go to country X for a 2 year assignment, > > and a child is born to them. After the assignment, they return back to > > India, with the child, never to go back again. Now, by nationality, > > culture, heritage, upbringing, and everything else, the child is > > absolutely Indian. But, in a legal and technical sense, the child's > > place of birth is not India. > > > > Now, when we consider quesitons from an astrology point of view, do > > we take India as the motherland, or do we go by counry X ? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > Pratibha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > alternate email is raichuranant@i...:Location Bombay India > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 This is an interesting question which comes up very often nowadays when making a prediction for people who are settled in a foreign country (say USA) though originally born and brought up in India. They are now American Citizens and their children are born American citizens though most often they remain Indians at heart ( Generally genuine cases of ABCD?). 1) When such a person asks whether he/she will marry an Indian or an American person and the chart shows the likelihood of a spouse of a different community/origin – as when rahu is associated with the seventh house and or some other association with the 12th house, and there is also an indication of a partner from East or South East direction – then what does one predict? An Indian Person? Suppose that ”Indian Person” is also an American Born Indian person then what? Or the Spouse will be a non-Indian, say White American? 2) In a chart of American born Indian person there are indication of settling abroad and then he comes to India and settles or works in India – so India becomes overseas for this person? There are many such cases of people who were born in Africa, returned to India of young age due to political exigencies. How does one predict such a chart, today? Would this person be advised that he may be settled abroad, i.e. out of India ? Vipin Mehta sridhar k <kopparsa > wrote: I believe, we have to go by the Country of Birth.--- Pratibha James <pratibha_james .sg> wrote:> > > Dear all,> > Have a question about the motherland of a person. Technically, the> country a person is born in, will be his/her motherland. But, which> country should be taken in the following case.> > Case 1 : A couple from India go to country X for a 2 year assignment,> and a child is born to them. After the assignment, they return back to> India, with the child, never to go back again. Now, by nationality,> culture, heritage, upbringing, and everything else, the child is> absolutely Indian. But, in a legal and technical sense, the child's> place of birth is not India.> > Now, when we consider quesitons from an astrology point of view, do > we take India as the motherland, or do we go by counry X ?> > Thanks in advance. > Pratibha> > > > > > > > =====alternate email is raichuranant (AT) indiatimes (DOT) com:Location Bombay IndiaTired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 Dear Pratibha For all astrological calculations, the place ofbirth is considered most important. For tajaka, tithi pravesha , birth of place is important best wishes partha On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 05:28:50 -0000, Pratibha James <pratibha_james wrote: > > > Dear all, > > Have a question about the motherland of a person. Technically, the > country a person is born in, will be his/her motherland. But, which > country should be taken in the following case. > > Case 1 : A couple from India go to country X for a 2 year assignment, > and a child is born to them. After the assignment, they return back to > India, with the child, never to go back again. Now, by nationality, > culture, heritage, upbringing, and everything else, the child is > absolutely Indian. But, in a legal and technical sense, the child's > place of birth is not India. > > Now, when we consider quesitons from an astrology point of view, do > we take India as the motherland, or do we go by counry X ? > > Thanks in advance. > Pratibha > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > Links > > > > > -- V.Partha Sarathy, partvinu.blogspot.com All that we are is the result of what we have thought. If a man speaks or acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a man speaks or acts with a pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that never leaves him. -----Buddha Plot.no.71 Road No.3 Nagarjuna Hills Hyderabad India-500 082 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 so?? On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:53:40 -0500, Panditji <navagraha wrote: > > Namaste, > > Motherland is the land to whose history and culture one associates with. > > .. > > > On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 05:28:50 -0000, Pratibha James > <pratibha_james wrote: > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > Have a question about the motherland of a person. Technically, the > > country a person is born in, will be his/her motherland. But, which > > country should be taken in the following case. > > > > Case 1 : A couple from India go to country X for a 2 year assignment, > > and a child is born to them. After the assignment, they return back to > > India, with the child, never to go back again. Now, by nationality, > > culture, heritage, upbringing, and everything else, the child is > > absolutely Indian. But, in a legal and technical sense, the child's > > place of birth is not India. > > > > Now, when we consider quesitons from an astrology point of view, do > > we take India as the motherland, or do we go by counry X ? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > Pratibha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Links > > > > vedic astrology/ > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > Links > > > > > -- V.Partha Sarathy, partvinu.blogspot.com All that we are is the result of what we have thought. If a man speaks or acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a man speaks or acts with a pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that never leaves him. -----Buddha Plot.no.71 Road No.3 Nagarjuna Hills Hyderabad India-500 082 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 Dear Vipin & group memebers, I totally agree with you on this. It has happened to my own brother. He was born outside India and then when he was 1, my parents moved back to India. So, technically, he is living in a foreign country, although in every other sense he is an absolute Indian. So, it is not easy to answer the question, of whether he will settle in India or outside India. Now that people travel much more, this is a topic that needs a bit more study. For such cases, are there any other parameters to go by ? Regards, Pratibha --- Vipin Mehta <iberjyotish wrote: > Hi > > > This is an interesting question which comes up very > often nowadays when making a prediction for people > who are settled in a foreign country (say USA) > though originally born and brought up in India. They > are now American Citizens and their children are > born American citizens though most often they > remain Indians at heart ( Generally genuine cases of > ABCD?). > > > > 1) When such a person asks whether he/she will marry > an Indian or an American person and the chart shows > the likelihood of a spouse of a different > community/origin – as when rahu is associated with > the seventh house and or some other association with > the 12th house, and there is also an indication of > a partner from East or South East direction – then > what does one predict? An Indian Person? Suppose > that ”Indian Person” is also an American Born Indian > person then what? Or the Spouse will be a > non-Indian, say White American? > > > > 2) In a chart of American born Indian person there > are indication of settling abroad and then he comes > to India and settles or works in India – so India > becomes overseas for this person? There are many > such cases of people who were born in Africa, > returned to India of young age due to political > exigencies. How does one predict such a chart, > today? Would this person be advised that he may be > settled abroad, i.e. out of India ? > > > > Vipin Mehta > > > > sridhar k <kopparsa wrote: > I believe, we have to go by the Country of Birth. > > --- Pratibha James <pratibha_james > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > Have a question about the motherland of a person. > Technically, the > > country a person is born in, will be his/her > motherland. But, which > > country should be taken in the following case. > > > > Case 1 : A couple from India go to country X for a > 2 year assignment, > > and a child is born to them. After the assignment, > they return back to > > India, with the child, never to go back again. > Now, by nationality, > > culture, heritage, upbringing, and everything > else, the child is > > absolutely Indian. But, in a legal and technical > sense, the child's > > place of birth is not India. > > > > Now, when we consider quesitons from an astrology > point of view, do > > we take India as the motherland, or do we go by > counry X ? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > Pratibha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > alternate email is > raichuranant:Location Bombay India > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > > Archives: > vedic astrology > > Group info: > vedic astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu > || > > > > > Links > > > vedic astrology/ > > > vedic astrology > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' Log on to Messenger with your mobile phone! http://sg.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 Dear Pratibha If one has the Details of the Birth of this child, it may be possible to find out if the Birth Dasha/Bhukti etc. indicates Long Jouney to a Foreign Country on the date he/she travelled to India. Could you post these details, and date of Jouney to India good luck --- pratibha james <pratibha_james wrote: > Dear Vipin & group memebers, > > I totally agree with you on this. It has happened to > my own brother. He was born outside India and then > when he was 1, my parents moved back to India. So, > technically, he is living in a foreign country, > although in every other sense he is an absolute > Indian. > > So, it is not easy to answer the question, of whether > he will settle in India or outside India. > > Now that people travel much more, this is a topic that > needs a bit more study. For such cases, are there any > other parameters to go by ? > > Regards, > Pratibha > > > --- Vipin Mehta <iberjyotish wrote: > > Hi > > > > > > This is an interesting question which comes up very > > often nowadays when making a prediction for people > > who are settled in a foreign country (say USA) > > though originally born and brought up in India. They > > are now American Citizens and their children are > > born American citizens though most often they > > remain Indians at heart ( Generally genuine cases of > > ABCD?). > > > > > > > > 1) When such a person asks whether he/she will marry > > an Indian or an American person and the chart shows > > the likelihood of a spouse of a different > > community/origin – as when rahu is associated with > > the seventh house and or some other association with > > the 12th house, and there is also an indication of > > a partner from East or South East direction – then > > what does one predict? An Indian Person? Suppose > > that ”Indian Person” is also an American Born Indian > > person then what? Or the Spouse will be a > > non-Indian, say White American? > > > > > > > > 2) In a chart of American born Indian person there > > are indication of settling abroad and then he comes > > to India and settles or works in India – so India > > becomes overseas for this person? There are many > > such cases of people who were born in Africa, > > returned to India of young age due to political > > exigencies. How does one predict such a chart, > > today? Would this person be advised that he may be > > settled abroad, i.e. out of India ? > > > > > > > > Vipin Mehta > > > > > > > > sridhar k <kopparsa wrote: > > I believe, we have to go by the Country of Birth. > > > > --- Pratibha James <pratibha_james > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > Have a question about the motherland of a person. > > Technically, the > > > country a person is born in, will be his/her > > motherland. But, which > > > country should be taken in the following case. > > > > > > Case 1 : A couple from India go to country X for a > > 2 year assignment, > > > and a child is born to them. After the assignment, > > they return back to > > > India, with the child, never to go back again. > > Now, by nationality, > > > culture, heritage, upbringing, and everything > > else, the child is > > > absolutely Indian. But, in a legal and technical > > sense, the child's > > > place of birth is not India. > > > > > > Now, when we consider quesitons from an astrology > > point of view, do > > > we take India as the motherland, or do we go by > > counry X ? > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > Pratibha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > alternate email is > > raichuranant:Location Bombay India > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > > > > > > > Archives: > > vedic astrology > > > > Group info: > > > vedic astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > vedic astrology- > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu > > || > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > vedic astrology/ > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' > > > > Log on to Messenger with your mobile phone! > http://sg.messenger. > ===== alternate email is raichuranant:Location Bombay India Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 Dear Friends, I agree with this from Jyotish point of view. Emotionally one may be attached to parent's motherland and call it that. Nothing wrong about that.However when analyzing a chart, one will have to consider the place of birth as the motherland. Chandrashekhar ramu19472003 wrote: Definitely, it is the country of birth to be taken for all astrological purposes. This has been confirmed by learned astrologers. With regards Ramachandran vedic astrology, sridhar k <kopparsa> wrote: > I believe, we have to go by the Country of Birth. > > --- Pratibha James <pratibha_james> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > Have a question about the motherland of a person. Technically, the > > country a person is born in, will be his/her motherland. But, which > > country should be taken in the following case. > > > > Case 1 : A couple from India go to country X for a 2 year assignment, > > and a child is born to them. After the assignment, they return back to > > India, with the child, never to go back again. Now, by nationality, > > culture, heritage, upbringing, and everything else, the child is > > absolutely Indian. But, in a legal and technical sense, the child's > > place of birth is not India. > > > > Now, when we consider quesitons from an astrology point of view, do > > we take India as the motherland, or do we go by counry X ? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > Pratibha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > alternate email is raichuranant@i...:Location Bombay India > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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