Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Posted February 10, 2005 Dear Tushankar Is this a history channel or a history list??. You could have provide a link, and in subject could have mentioned non astrological?? best wishes partha vedic astrology, tushankur.saroha@x wrote: > Dear List Members > > The article on the web site below claims Skayamuni Budha > ( Gautam Budha) was born around 1800BC. This puts Budha's > birth back by 1200 years. Any comments? > > http://www.vnn.org/editorials/ET0003/ET14-5679.html > > This article is as follows: > March 14, 2000 VNN5679 Comment on this story > > The Vedic Buddha Date > > > -- -- > BY VRIN PARKER > > EDITORIAL, Mar 14 (VNN) â€" Below I have compiled a quick overview from > the writings of Prof Prasad Gokhale from the University of New > Brunswick, Canada, on the subject of the Vedic Date for Lord Buddha's > appearance. Also note that the British date of 800 AD for Adi > Shankaracharya is incorrect as is the date for Chanakya Pandit, > Chandragupta Maurya and the Gupta dynasty. > > Two major sects of Vaidik Dharma, namely, that of Jaina and Buddha > (1800 B.C.), rose and assumed a large following during this period. > One of the greatest philosophers in Hindu history, and perhaps in > world history, Aadi Shankaracharya also flourished in this era (500 > B.C.). > > The rise of Arya Chanakya and Chandragupta of Maurya dynasty (1530 > B.C.), and the historical evidence to the golden age of the Hindus > under the umbrella of the Gupta dynasty (325 B.C.) also occured > during this period. > > .. Evidence testifies that Buddha and Aadi Shankara lived 1800 B.C. > and 500 B.C respectively. The "golden age" in India was ushered with > the rise of the Gupta dynasty. It was Chandragupta of the Guptas, NOT > THE MAURYAS, who reigned over the Indian empire around 325 B.C., a > time when Macedonian Alexander had invaded India. > > The currently established chronology of India initiates with the > invasion of the so-called aryan race in 1500 B.C., which ruthlessly > and forcefully subdued the original inhabitants of the land, imposing > upon them a alien language and culture. The invading hordes settled > down on the banks of river Sindhu (Indus), and within few centuries > (1200 B.C.), complied the Veda. Subsequently, the Brahmanas, > Samhitas, Puranas and numerous other scriptures were composed. Where > does the Ramayan and Mahabharat fit in? Some say that the Ramayan > follows Mahabharat and some opine otherwise. In all this anarchy of > Indian histography, the probable date of Mahabharat ranges between > 1000 B.C.to 300 B.C. > > The identification of Sandrocottus (325 B.C.) of the Greeks with > Chandragupta Maurya by Sir Jones was considered to the "sheet anchor" > and based on this assumption, a chronology of Indian history was > constructed. THE DATE WHEN GAUTAMA BUDDHA PROSPERED WAS CALCULATED > FROM THIS SHEET ANCHOR TO BE AROUND 500 BC, and the dateline of Aadi > Shankara was put in 800 A.D. The Gupta Dynasty, whose reign ushered a > Golden Age in India, were placed in the 4th century A.D. > > Examination of the Rgved, Puraan and other texts provide dates of > events that took Indian history, at times, back to thousands of > years. However, since these dates contradicted the prevalent views of > Europeans historians, the saunskrut texts were academically attacked > in an attempt to disprove the authenticity of the annals. For > example, the European Indologist Maxmuller, tried the interpret the > astronomical evidences to prove that the observations recorded in the > Hindu scriptures are imaginary, "pious frauds" created by the cunning > Brahmanas. Numerous references which were anachronous to the > particular time-frames were either considered as unauthentic and > unreliable. No attempt was made to recheck and reevaluate the > presumptions and basis on which the chronological structure was built. > > ...Sage Buddha is also considered as yet another avataar, and the > time he prospered is determined below. However, to determine the age > when Buddha flourished requires finding dates of some other events in > the course of history. The datelines of Maurya Chandragupta and his > grandson, Maurya Ashoka, are considered in the following two sections. > > 14. Gautam Buddha - Modern history tends to inform readers that > Gautama was born around 550 B.C. and died after about 80 years. > Pandit Kota Venkatachalam, writes in his book "The Age of Buddha, > Milinda and King Amtiyoka and Yuga Purana" that, "Due to his wrong > identification of Maurya Chandragupta as the contemporary of > Alexander, the history of Bharat has been shifted by 12 centuries > (and) it is the Chandragupta of the Gupta dynasty who belongs to 327- > 320 B.C." Thus, due to the confusion in pinpointing properly > the "sheet anchor" of Indian history, Lord Buddha's antiquity has > been underestimated by about 1200 years. Now that Chandragupta Maurya > reigned in 1550 B.C. (instead of 325 B.C.), the time when the latter > flourished can be calculation to be around 1850 B.C. (instead of 550 > B.C.). > > All the Puranas and another historical compilation titled Kaliyug- > rajavruttanta, profess to describe the Magadha royal dynasties > starting from the Bruhadratha to the Andhra lineages, after which the > Magadha empire disintegrated. It is known from the Bhagavad Puraan > that Buddha was 23rd in the Ikshwaku lineage. However, the list of > Ikshwaku kings are not available. In order to determine the date of > Siddharta (Buddha), it is necessary to find the contemporary kings in > the Magadha genealogy. According to different accounts, the Buddha > was a contemporary of Kshemajita, Bindusar and Ajatashatru, the 31st- > 33rd kings of the Shishunaga dynasty. The Buddha was 72 years old > when the coronation of Ajatashatru took place, that is in 1814 B.C. > Going backwards, the date of Buddha's birth becomes 1887 B.C. Since > he lived for 80 years, the Buddha must have left the body in 1807 B.C. > > This date can also be confirmed by purely referring to astronomical > calculations, and what is correctly and exactly obtained as the date > for Buddha's nirvana is 27-3-1807 (Sathe, Age of Buddha). This date > also explains the possibility of the existence of Buddhism in the > second millennium B.C., as was rejected earlier. The astronomical > computations of the indologist-astronomer Swami Sakhyananda suggests > that the Buddha belonged to the Kruttika period, i.e., in between > 2621-1661 B.C. In his book "Chronology of Ancient Bharat" > (Part4.Chap2), Prof. K.Srinivasaraghavan states the approximate time > of Buddha to be 2259 years after the Bharata War (3138 B.C.). which > turns out to be 1880 B.C. > > Thyagaraja Aiyer in his book "Indian Architecture" observes," Here > lies Indian Sramanacharya from Bodh Gaya, a Shakya monk taken to > Greece by his Greek pupils and the tomb marks his death about 1000 > B.C." If the Buddhist monk went to Greece in 1000 B.C., then the > Buddha must have lived at least a few centuries earlier. Somayajulu > places Chandragupta Maurya in the 14th century B.C (ref: Dates in > Ancient History of India). This puts the Buddha three centuries > earlier, i.e., in the 17th century B.C. A brief chronology of the > events in Buddha's life:Born in 1887 B.C., Renunciation in 1858 B.C., > Penance during 1858-52 B.C and Death in 1807 B.C. > > There are various other calculations and evidences which point to the > 1800 B.C. date. However, it is believed that, at least for this > article, the presentation made above suffices to convince and > ascertain the date of Buddha. > > regds > Tushankur > > Whilst this email has been checked for all known viruses, recipients should undertake their own virus checking as Xansa will not accept any liability whatsoever. > > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and protected by client privilege. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient. > Please delete it and notify the sender if you have received it in > error. Unauthorised use is prohibited. > > Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not > necessarily the organisation. > Xansa, Registered Office: 420 Thames Valley Park Drive, > Thames Valley Park, Reading, RG6 1PU, UK. > Registered in England No.1000954. > t +44 (0)8702 416181 > w www.xansa.com Quote
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2005 Report Posted February 16, 2005 Dear All, JUST FOR INFORMATION In Dr. B V Raman's NOTABLE HOROSCOPES, pp 9-16, Chart No 2 - SRI GAUTAMA BUDDHA, Birth Details of 14th April 623 B.C.(corresponding the Full Moon day of the lunar month of Vaisakha, Kali 2479, Tuesday), at about midday (Lat 27-8 N, 83-6 E)have been estimated from four independent sources and also mentions other DOBs of 10-3- 1887 BC, Tuseday, 4-4-557 BC, Friday & 1-4-543 BC, Friday. Best regards, tw vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu@g...> wrote: > > Dear Tushankar > > > Is this a history channel or a history list??. You could have provide > a link, and in subject could have mentioned non astrological?? > best wishes > partha > > > vedic astrology, tushankur.saroha@x wrote: > > Dear List Members > > > > The article on the web site below claims Skayamuni Budha > > ( Gautam Budha) was born around 1800BC. This puts Budha's > > birth back by 1200 years. Any comments? > > > > http://www.vnn.org/editorials/ET0003/ET14-5679.html > > > > This article is as follows: > > March 14, 2000 VNN5679 Comment on this story > > > > The Vedic Buddha Date > > > > > > -- > -- > > BY VRIN PARKER > > > > EDITORIAL, Mar 14 (VNN) â€" Below I have compiled a quick overview > from > > the writings of Prof Prasad Gokhale from the University of New > > Brunswick, Canada, on the subject of the Vedic Date for Lord > Buddha's > > appearance. Also note that the British date of 800 AD for Adi > > Shankaracharya is incorrect as is the date for Chanakya Pandit, > > Chandragupta Maurya and the Gupta dynasty. > > > > Two major sects of Vaidik Dharma, namely, that of Jaina and Buddha > > (1800 B.C.), rose and assumed a large following during this period. > > One of the greatest philosophers in Hindu history, and perhaps in > > world history, Aadi Shankaracharya also flourished in this era (500 > > B.C.). > > > > The rise of Arya Chanakya and Chandragupta of Maurya dynasty (1530 > > B.C.), and the historical evidence to the golden age of the Hindus > > under the umbrella of the Gupta dynasty (325 B.C.) also occured > > during this period. > > > > .. Evidence testifies that Buddha and Aadi Shankara lived 1800 B.C. > > and 500 B.C respectively. The "golden age" in India was ushered with > > the rise of the Gupta dynasty. It was Chandragupta of the Guptas, > NOT > > THE MAURYAS, who reigned over the Indian empire around 325 B.C., a > > time when Macedonian Alexander had invaded India. > > > > The currently established chronology of India initiates with the > > invasion of the so-called aryan race in 1500 B.C., which ruthlessly > > and forcefully subdued the original inhabitants of the land, > imposing > > upon them a alien language and culture. The invading hordes settled > > down on the banks of river Sindhu (Indus), and within few centuries > > (1200 B.C.), complied the Veda. Subsequently, the Brahmanas, > > Samhitas, Puranas and numerous other scriptures were composed. Where > > does the Ramayan and Mahabharat fit in? Some say that the Ramayan > > follows Mahabharat and some opine otherwise. In all this anarchy of > > Indian histography, the probable date of Mahabharat ranges between > > 1000 B.C.to 300 B.C. > > > > The identification of Sandrocottus (325 B.C.) of the Greeks with > > Chandragupta Maurya by Sir Jones was considered to the "sheet > anchor" > > and based on this assumption, a chronology of Indian history was > > constructed. THE DATE WHEN GAUTAMA BUDDHA PROSPERED WAS CALCULATED > > FROM THIS SHEET ANCHOR TO BE AROUND 500 BC, and the dateline of Aadi > > Shankara was put in 800 A.D. The Gupta Dynasty, whose reign ushered > a > > Golden Age in India, were placed in the 4th century A.D. > > > > Examination of the Rgved, Puraan and other texts provide dates of > > events that took Indian history, at times, back to thousands of > > years. However, since these dates contradicted the prevalent views > of > > Europeans historians, the saunskrut texts were academically attacked > > in an attempt to disprove the authenticity of the annals. For > > example, the European Indologist Maxmuller, tried the interpret the > > astronomical evidences to prove that the observations recorded in > the > > Hindu scriptures are imaginary, "pious frauds" created by the > cunning > > Brahmanas. Numerous references which were anachronous to the > > particular time-frames were either considered as unauthentic and > > unreliable. No attempt was made to recheck and reevaluate the > > presumptions and basis on which the chronological structure was > built. > > > > ...Sage Buddha is also considered as yet another avataar, and the > > time he prospered is determined below. However, to determine the age > > when Buddha flourished requires finding dates of some other events > in > > the course of history. The datelines of Maurya Chandragupta and his > > grandson, Maurya Ashoka, are considered in the following two > sections. > > > > 14. Gautam Buddha - Modern history tends to inform readers that > > Gautama was born around 550 B.C. and died after about 80 years. > > Pandit Kota Venkatachalam, writes in his book "The Age of Buddha, > > Milinda and King Amtiyoka and Yuga Purana" that, "Due to his wrong > > identification of Maurya Chandragupta as the contemporary of > > Alexander, the history of Bharat has been shifted by 12 centuries > > (and) it is the Chandragupta of the Gupta dynasty who belongs to > 327- > > 320 B.C." Thus, due to the confusion in pinpointing properly > > the "sheet anchor" of Indian history, Lord Buddha's antiquity has > > been underestimated by about 1200 years. Now that Chandragupta > Maurya > > reigned in 1550 B.C. (instead of 325 B.C.), the time when the latter > > flourished can be calculation to be around 1850 B.C. (instead of 550 > > B.C.). > > > > All the Puranas and another historical compilation titled Kaliyug- > > rajavruttanta, profess to describe the Magadha royal dynasties > > starting from the Bruhadratha to the Andhra lineages, after which > the > > Magadha empire disintegrated. It is known from the Bhagavad Puraan > > that Buddha was 23rd in the Ikshwaku lineage. However, the list of > > Ikshwaku kings are not available. In order to determine the date of > > Siddharta (Buddha), it is necessary to find the contemporary kings > in > > the Magadha genealogy. According to different accounts, the Buddha > > was a contemporary of Kshemajita, Bindusar and Ajatashatru, the > 31st- > > 33rd kings of the Shishunaga dynasty. The Buddha was 72 years old > > when the coronation of Ajatashatru took place, that is in 1814 B.C. > > Going backwards, the date of Buddha's birth becomes 1887 B.C. Since > > he lived for 80 years, the Buddha must have left the body in 1807 > B.C. > > > > This date can also be confirmed by purely referring to astronomical > > calculations, and what is correctly and exactly obtained as the date > > for Buddha's nirvana is 27-3-1807 (Sathe, Age of Buddha). This date > > also explains the possibility of the existence of Buddhism in the > > second millennium B.C., as was rejected earlier. The astronomical > > computations of the indologist-astronomer Swami Sakhyananda suggests > > that the Buddha belonged to the Kruttika period, i.e., in between > > 2621-1661 B.C. In his book "Chronology of Ancient Bharat" > > (Part4.Chap2), Prof. K.Srinivasaraghavan states the approximate time > > of Buddha to be 2259 years after the Bharata War (3138 B.C.). which > > turns out to be 1880 B.C. > > > > Thyagaraja Aiyer in his book "Indian Architecture" observes," Here > > lies Indian Sramanacharya from Bodh Gaya, a Shakya monk taken to > > Greece by his Greek pupils and the tomb marks his death about 1000 > > B.C." If the Buddhist monk went to Greece in 1000 B.C., then the > > Buddha must have lived at least a few centuries earlier. Somayajulu > > places Chandragupta Maurya in the 14th century B.C (ref: Dates in > > Ancient History of India). This puts the Buddha three centuries > > earlier, i.e., in the 17th century B.C. A brief chronology of the > > events in Buddha's life:Born in 1887 B.C., Renunciation in 1858 > B.C., > > Penance during 1858-52 B.C and Death in 1807 B.C. > > > > There are various other calculations and evidences which point to > the > > 1800 B.C. date. However, it is believed that, at least for this > > article, the presentation made above suffices to convince and > > ascertain the date of Buddha. > > > > regds > > Tushankur > > > > Whilst this email has been checked for all known viruses, > recipients should undertake their own virus checking as Xansa will > not accept any liability whatsoever. > > > > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > protected by client privilege. It is solely for the use of the > intended recipient. > > Please delete it and notify the sender if you have received it in > > error. Unauthorised use is prohibited. > > > > Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual > and not > > necessarily the organisation. > > Xansa, Registered Office: 420 Thames Valley Park Drive, > > Thames Valley Park, Reading, RG6 1PU, UK. > > Registered in England No.1000954. > > t +44 (0)8702 416181 > > w www.xansa.com Quote
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