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Namaste friends,

 

There was a discussion on samudaya ashtakavarga (SAV) a while ago. Someone gave

a few counter-examples to some standard SAV principles. For example, Bill Gates

has scores of 24, 27 and 27 in 9th, 10th and 11th houses. Successful people like

him are expected to have scores over 30 in those 3 houses.

 

I said at that time that there may be errors in standard understanding of SAV. I

also said I did some research and will share it with others when the time comes.

 

Today is Magha Sukla Panchami. It is known as "Sri Panchami" and a day supposed

to be dear to goddess Saraswathi (the goddess of knowledge). She is worshipped

today. On this auspicious day, I have decided to bow to Her and share my

research finding with the Jyotish community. You don't have to accept it or

even test it. If you get the inspiration from inside, you may try it and see

how it works. I do expect people to resist my idea, as what I am saying is

different from what everybody else taught until now.

 

* * *

 

When finding the strengths of various houses in SAV, people normally consider

houses from lagna alone. Suppose lagna is in Gemini. Then, to see the strength

of 9th house, the 9th from Gemini (i.e. Aq) is taken and scores in Aq in all

the eight ashtakavargas are aggregated. Aq may be the 2nd house from Sun, 5th

house from Moon, 7th house from Jupiter and so on. Still, scores in Aq in all

the eight bhinna ashtakavargas (BAV) are added up. This is somehow supposed to

give an indication of how strong the 9th house is overall.

 

The whole idea of ashtakavarga is that lagna is not the only reference. Seven

planets can be used as references along with lagna. When that is the whole

idea, how logical is it to take the houses from lagna alone when finding the

strengths of houses?

 

Aren't the 9th houses from Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn

good for nothing? Should the strength of the 9th house be decided solely based

on the 9th house from lagna? When we say "the 9th house" are we to totally

ignore the 9th houses from other references, or is the "9th house" a

combination of all the eight 9th houses?

 

My idea was to add the score in the 9th house from Sun in Sun's BAV, the score

in the 9th house from Moon in Moon's BAV, the score in the 9th house from Mars

in Mars's BAV and so on, to see the strength of the 9th house. This total is a

reflection of how strong the 9th house is overall. The overall 9th house in a

chart is combination the eight 9th houses (from lagna, Sun, Moon etc)!

 

This is very simple and you can do the calculations manually. But, if you need a

software, this variation will be available in version 7.0 of Jagannatha Hora

software planned to be released on Magha Pournima (2005 Feb 23). I will make

this calculation available in the free version.

 

In Bill Gates case, the scores in 9th, 10th and 11th houses using this approach

are not 24, 27 and 27. They are 31, 34 and 37.

 

I have used this reckoning of house strengths using SAV in many natal charts and

dasa pravesha charts and was satisfied. If my idea sounds appealing to you,

please feel free to try it.

 

By the way, ashtakavarga can be found in divisional charts. You may try this

approach of assessing the strengths of houses using SAV in divisional charts

also.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,Narasimha

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Namaste Narasimharao,

 

Once again, with a unique idea !

 

Ghalib says for such a situation,

"Gheyb se aate hain ye mazameen khayaal main". i.e.

 

These 'devine verses'

As I write

Are

The hallowed revelatios

Descending

>From on 'High'

 

M.Imran

 

 

 

--- "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr wrote:

 

> Namaste friends,

>

> There was a discussion on samudaya ashtakavarga

> (SAV) a while ago. Someone gave a few

> counter-examples to some standard SAV principles.

> For example, Bill Gates has scores of 24, 27 and 27

> in 9th, 10th and 11th houses. Successful people like

> him are expected to have scores over 30 in those 3

> houses.

>

> I said at that time that there may be errors in

> standard understanding of SAV. I also said I did

> some research and will share it with others when the

> time comes.

>

> Today is Magha Sukla Panchami. It is known as "Sri

> Panchami" and a day supposed to be dear to goddess

> Saraswathi (the goddess of knowledge). She is

> worshipped today. On this auspicious day, I have

> decided to bow to Her and share my research finding

> with the Jyotish community. You don't have to accept

> it or even test it. If you get the inspiration from

> inside, you may try it and see how it works. I do

> expect people to resist my idea, as what I am saying

> is different from what everybody else taught until

> now.

>

> * * *

>

> When finding the strengths of various houses in SAV,

> people normally consider houses from lagna alone.

> Suppose lagna is in Gemini. Then, to see the

> strength of 9th house, the 9th from Gemini (i.e. Aq)

> is taken and scores in Aq in all the eight

> ashtakavargas are aggregated. Aq may be the 2nd

> house from Sun, 5th house from Moon, 7th house from

> Jupiter and so on. Still, scores in Aq in all the

> eight bhinna ashtakavargas (BAV) are added up. This

> is somehow supposed to give an indication of how

> strong the 9th house is overall.

>

> The whole idea of ashtakavarga is that lagna is not

> the only reference. Seven planets can be used as

> references along with lagna. When that is the whole

> idea, how logical is it to take the houses from

> lagna alone when finding the strengths of houses?

>

> Aren't the 9th houses from Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury,

> Jupiter, Venus and Saturn good for nothing? Should

> the strength of the 9th house be decided solely

> based on the 9th house from lagna? When we say "the

> 9th house" are we to totally ignore the 9th houses

> from other references, or is the "9th house" a

> combination of all the eight 9th houses?

>

> My idea was to add the score in the 9th house from

> Sun in Sun's BAV, the score in the 9th house from

> Moon in Moon's BAV, the score in the 9th house from

> Mars in Mars's BAV and so on, to see the strength of

> the 9th house. This total is a reflection of how

> strong the 9th house is overall. The overall 9th

> house in a chart is combination the eight 9th houses

> (from lagna, Sun, Moon etc)!

>

> This is very simple and you can do the calculations

> manually. But, if you need a software, this

> variation will be available in version 7.0 of

> Jagannatha Hora software planned to be released on

> Magha Pournima (2005 Feb 23). I will make this

> calculation available in the free version.

>

> In Bill Gates case, the scores in 9th, 10th and 11th

> houses using this approach are not 24, 27 and 27.

> They are 31, 34 and 37.

>

> I have used this reckoning of house strengths using

> SAV in many natal charts and dasa pravesha charts

> and was satisfied. If my idea sounds appealing to

> you, please feel free to try it.

>

> By the way, ashtakavarga can be found in divisional

> charts. You may try this approach of assessing the

> strengths of houses using SAV in divisional charts

> also.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

>

-------------------------------

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

>

-------------------------------

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Narasimha P.V.R. Rao Ji,

 

Many thanks for sharing your research and knowledge with us. We

deeply appreciate. May Shri Saraswati's blessings be always with you.

 

Respectfully, Adnan Sabri.

 

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

<pvr@c...> wrote:

> Namaste friends,

>

> There was a discussion on samudaya ashtakavarga (SAV) a while ago.

Someone gave a few counter-examples to some standard SAV principles.

For example, Bill Gates has scores of 24, 27 and 27 in 9th, 10th and

11th houses. Successful people like him are expected to have scores

over 30 in those 3 houses.

>

> I said at that time that there may be errors in standard

understanding of SAV. I also said I did some research and will share

it with others when the time comes.

>

> Today is Magha Sukla Panchami. It is known as "Sri Panchami" and a

day supposed to be dear to goddess Saraswathi (the goddess of

knowledge). She is worshipped today. On this auspicious day, I have

decided to bow to Her and share my research finding with the Jyotish

community. You don't have to accept it or even test it. If you get

the inspiration from inside, you may try it and see how it works. I

do expect people to resist my idea, as what I am saying is different

from what everybody else taught until now.

>

> * * *

>

> When finding the strengths of various houses in SAV, people

normally consider houses from lagna alone. Suppose lagna is in

Gemini. Then, to see the strength of 9th house, the 9th from Gemini

(i.e. Aq) is taken and scores in Aq in all the eight ashtakavargas

are aggregated. Aq may be the 2nd house from Sun, 5th house from

Moon, 7th house from Jupiter and so on. Still, scores in Aq in all

the eight bhinna ashtakavargas (BAV) are added up. This is somehow

supposed to give an indication of how strong the 9th house is

overall.

>

> The whole idea of ashtakavarga is that lagna is not the only

reference. Seven planets can be used as references along with lagna.

When that is the whole idea, how logical is it to take the houses

from lagna alone when finding the strengths of houses?

>

> Aren't the 9th houses from Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter,

Venus and Saturn good for nothing? Should the strength of the 9th

house be decided solely based on the 9th house from lagna? When we

say "the 9th house" are we to totally ignore the 9th houses from

other references, or is the "9th house" a combination of all the

eight 9th houses?

>

> My idea was to add the score in the 9th house from Sun in Sun's

BAV, the score in the 9th house from Moon in Moon's BAV, the score

in the 9th house from Mars in Mars's BAV and so on, to see the

strength of the 9th house. This total is a reflection of how strong

the 9th house is overall. The overall 9th house in a chart is

combination the eight 9th houses (from lagna, Sun, Moon etc)!

>

> This is very simple and you can do the calculations manually. But,

if you need a software, this variation will be available in version

7.0 of Jagannatha Hora software planned to be released on Magha

Pournima (2005 Feb 23). I will make this calculation available in

the free version.

>

> In Bill Gates case, the scores in 9th, 10th and 11th houses using

this approach are not 24, 27 and 27. They are 31, 34 and 37.

>

> I have used this reckoning of house strengths using SAV in many

natal charts and dasa pravesha charts and was satisfied. If my idea

sounds appealing to you, please feel free to try it.

>

> By the way, ashtakavarga can be found in divisional charts. You

may try this approach of assessing the strengths of houses using SAV

in divisional charts also.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

> -------------------------------

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> -------------------------------

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Yes, I feel it is quite logical also. What we normally follow is just rasi

total. If we really want to find the strength of each house we need to see how

each planet influence on the ninth house from its position.

 

Thanks for sharing the info.

 

Regards

Muruli

Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

[pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net]Sunday, February 13, 2005 2:36 AMTo:

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Ashtakavarga Research

Namaste friends,

 

There was a discussion on samudaya ashtakavarga (SAV) a while ago. Someone gave

a few counter-examples to some standard SAV principles. For example, Bill Gates

has scores of 24, 27 and 27 in 9th, 10th and 11th houses. Successful people like

him are expected to have scores over 30 in those 3 houses.

 

I said at that time that there may be errors in standard understanding of SAV. I

also said I did some research and will share it with others when the time comes.

 

Today is Magha Sukla Panchami. It is known as "Sri Panchami" and a day supposed

to be dear to goddess Saraswathi (the goddess of knowledge). She is worshipped

today. On this auspicious day, I have decided to bow to Her and share my

research finding with the Jyotish community. You don't have to accept it or

even test it. If you get the inspiration from inside, you may try it and see

how it works. I do expect people to resist my idea, as what I am saying is

different from what everybody else taught until now.

 

* * *

 

When finding the strengths of various houses in SAV, people normally consider

houses from lagna alone. Suppose lagna is in Gemini. Then, to see the strength

of 9th house, the 9th from Gemini (i.e. Aq) is taken and scores in Aq in all

the eight ashtakavargas are aggregated. Aq may be the 2nd house from Sun, 5th

house from Moon, 7th house from Jupiter and so on. Still, scores in Aq in all

the eight bhinna ashtakavargas (BAV) are added up. This is somehow supposed to

give an indication of how strong the 9th house is overall.

 

The whole idea of ashtakavarga is that lagna is not the only reference. Seven

planets can be used as references along with lagna. When that is the whole

idea, how logical is it to take the houses from lagna alone when finding the

strengths of houses?

 

Aren't the 9th houses from Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn

good for nothing? Should the strength of the 9th house be decided solely based

on the 9th house from lagna? When we say "the 9th house" are we to totally

ignore the 9th houses from other references, or is the "9th house" a

combination of all the eight 9th houses?

 

My idea was to add the score in the 9th house from Sun in Sun's BAV, the score

in the 9th house from Moon in Moon's BAV, the score in the 9th house from Mars

in Mars's BAV and so on, to see the strength of the 9th house. This total is a

reflection of how strong the 9th house is overall. The overall 9th house in a

chart is combination the eight 9th houses (from lagna, Sun, Moon etc)!

 

This is very simple and you can do the calculations manually. But, if you need a

software, this variation will be available in version 7.0 of Jagannatha Hora

software planned to be released on Magha Pournima (2005 Feb 23). I will make

this calculation available in the free version.

 

In Bill Gates case, the scores in 9th, 10th and 11th houses using this approach

are not 24, 27 and 27. They are 31, 34 and 37.

 

I have used this reckoning of house strengths using SAV in many natal charts and

dasa pravesha charts and was satisfied. If my idea sounds appealing to you,

please feel free to try it.

 

By the way, ashtakavarga can be found in divisional charts. You may try this

approach of assessing the strengths of houses using SAV in divisional charts

also.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,Narasimha

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Dear Narasimhaji,

 

I am doing some research using SAV. I am deeply indebted to you for

sharing your research & the tool. I am eagerly awaiting for the

release. I am facing many irregularities(but still the reguarities

are more statistically) in the expected results & actual results. May

be this new technique might help in explaining those irregularities.

 

Until now I reconciled those irregularities by taking SAV from AL.

But still found that wide fluctuations of SAVs from Lagana & AL. So

did not know which one to take. This is easy expalining the hapened

events. But impossible for predicting the event, as we dont know

which one will dominate. I will be grateful to hear your comments on

this dilemma. May be I am totally wrong on this.

 

I will share my experience after testing it with the new technique

discovered by you.

 

Namaste,

Pradeep

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

<pvr@c...> wrote:

> Namaste friends,

>

> There was a discussion on samudaya ashtakavarga (SAV) a while ago.

Someone gave a few counter-examples to some standard SAV principles.

For example, Bill Gates has scores of 24, 27 and 27 in 9th, 10th and

11th houses. Successful people like him are expected to have scores

over 30 in those 3 houses.

>

> I said at that time that there may be errors in standard

understanding of SAV. I also said I did some research and will share

it with others when the time comes.

>

> Today is Magha Sukla Panchami. It is known as "Sri Panchami" and a

day supposed to be dear to goddess Saraswathi (the goddess of

knowledge). She is worshipped today. On this auspicious day, I have

decided to bow to Her and share my research finding with the Jyotish

community. You don't have to accept it or even test it. If you get

the inspiration from inside, you may try it and see how it works. I

do expect people to resist my idea, as what I am saying is different

from what everybody else taught until now.

>

> * * *

>

> When finding the strengths of various houses in SAV, people

normally consider houses from lagna alone. Suppose lagna is in

Gemini. Then, to see the strength of 9th house, the 9th from Gemini

(i.e. Aq) is taken and scores in Aq in all the eight ashtakavargas

are aggregated. Aq may be the 2nd house from Sun, 5th house from

Moon, 7th house from Jupiter and so on. Still, scores in Aq in all

the eight bhinna ashtakavargas (BAV) are added up. This is somehow

supposed to give an indication of how strong the 9th house is overall.

>

> The whole idea of ashtakavarga is that lagna is not the only

reference. Seven planets can be used as references along with lagna.

When that is the whole idea, how logical is it to take the houses

from lagna alone when finding the strengths of houses?

>

> Aren't the 9th houses from Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus

and Saturn good for nothing? Should the strength of the 9th house be

decided solely based on the 9th house from lagna? When we say "the

9th house" are we to totally ignore the 9th houses from other

references, or is the "9th house" a combination of all the eight 9th

houses?

>

> My idea was to add the score in the 9th house from Sun in Sun's

BAV, the score in the 9th house from Moon in Moon's BAV, the score in

the 9th house from Mars in Mars's BAV and so on, to see the strength

of the 9th house. This total is a reflection of how strong the 9th

house is overall. The overall 9th house in a chart is combination the

eight 9th houses (from lagna, Sun, Moon etc)!

>

> This is very simple and you can do the calculations manually. But,

if you need a software, this variation will be available in version

7.0 of Jagannatha Hora software planned to be released on Magha

Pournima (2005 Feb 23). I will make this calculation available in the

free version.

>

> In Bill Gates case, the scores in 9th, 10th and 11th houses using

this approach are not 24, 27 and 27. They are 31, 34 and 37.

>

> I have used this reckoning of house strengths using SAV in many

natal charts and dasa pravesha charts and was satisfied. If my idea

sounds appealing to you, please feel free to try it.

>

> By the way, ashtakavarga can be found in divisional charts. You may

try this approach of assessing the strengths of houses using SAV in

divisional charts also.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

> -------------------------------

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> -------------------------------

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Dear Narasimha,

 

This knowledge sharing and innovation is very welcome.

What is Guru Sanjay Raths view on this?

 

With best wishes

 

Kasim

 

 

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

<pvr@c...> wrote:

> Namaste friends,

>

> There was a discussion on samudaya ashtakavarga (SAV) a while ago.

Someone gave a few counter-examples to some standard SAV principles.

For example, Bill Gates has scores of 24, 27 and 27 in 9th, 10th and

11th houses. Successful people like him are expected to have scores

over 30 in those 3 houses.

>

> I said at that time that there may be errors in standard

understanding of SAV. I also said I did some research and will share

it with others when the time comes.

>

> Today is Magha Sukla Panchami. It is known as "Sri Panchami" and a

day supposed to be dear to goddess Saraswathi (the goddess of

knowledge). She is worshipped today. On this auspicious day, I have

decided to bow to Her and share my research finding with the Jyotish

community. You don't have to accept it or even test it. If you get

the inspiration from inside, you may try it and see how it works. I

do expect people to resist my idea, as what I am saying is different

from what everybody else taught until now.

>

> * * *

>

> When finding the strengths of various houses in SAV, people

normally consider houses from lagna alone. Suppose lagna is in

Gemini. Then, to see the strength of 9th house, the 9th from Gemini

(i.e. Aq) is taken and scores in Aq in all the eight ashtakavargas

are aggregated. Aq may be the 2nd house from Sun, 5th house from

Moon, 7th house from Jupiter and so on. Still, scores in Aq in all

the eight bhinna ashtakavargas (BAV) are added up. This is somehow

supposed to give an indication of how strong the 9th house is

overall.

>

> The whole idea of ashtakavarga is that lagna is not the only

reference. Seven planets can be used as references along with lagna.

When that is the whole idea, how logical is it to take the houses

from lagna alone when finding the strengths of houses?

>

> Aren't the 9th houses from Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter,

Venus and Saturn good for nothing? Should the strength of the 9th

house be decided solely based on the 9th house from lagna? When we

say "the 9th house" are we to totally ignore the 9th houses from

other references, or is the "9th house" a combination of all the

eight 9th houses?

>

> My idea was to add the score in the 9th house from Sun in Sun's

BAV, the score in the 9th house from Moon in Moon's BAV, the score

in the 9th house from Mars in Mars's BAV and so on, to see the

strength of the 9th house. This total is a reflection of how strong

the 9th house is overall. The overall 9th house in a chart is

combination the eight 9th houses (from lagna, Sun, Moon etc)!

>

> This is very simple and you can do the calculations manually. But,

if you need a software, this variation will be available in version

7.0 of Jagannatha Hora software planned to be released on Magha

Pournima (2005 Feb 23). I will make this calculation available in

the free version.

>

> In Bill Gates case, the scores in 9th, 10th and 11th houses using

this approach are not 24, 27 and 27. They are 31, 34 and 37.

>

> I have used this reckoning of house strengths using SAV in many

natal charts and dasa pravesha charts and was satisfied. If my idea

sounds appealing to you, please feel free to try it.

>

> By the way, ashtakavarga can be found in divisional charts. You

may try this approach of assessing the strengths of houses using SAV

in divisional charts also.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

> -------------------------------

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> -------------------------------

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Excellent research work. Infact till date I have always counted strenghts from

lagan and not from any other planet. The results in total were quite

unconvincing. This seems to be the reason why. Thanks for sharing your

knowledge with us. Do you suggest any software which can calculate SAV based on

these principals?

 

Thanks....Sundeep

"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote:

Namaste friends,

 

There was a discussion on samudaya ashtakavarga (SAV) a while ago. Someone gave

a few counter-examples to some standard SAV principles. For example, Bill Gates

has scores of 24, 27 and 27 in 9th, 10th and 11th houses. Successful people like

him are expected to have scores over 30 in those 3 houses.

 

I said at that time that there may be errors in standard understanding of SAV. I

also said I did some research and will share it with others when the time comes.

 

Today is Magha Sukla Panchami. It is known as "Sri Panchami" and a day supposed

to be dear to goddess Saraswathi (the goddess of knowledge). She is worshipped

today. On this auspicious day, I have decided to bow to Her and share my

research finding with the Jyotish community. You don't have to accept it or

even test it. If you get the inspiration from inside, you may try it and see

how it works. I do expect people to resist my idea, as what I am saying is

different from what everybody else taught until now.

 

* * *

 

When finding the strengths of various houses in SAV, people normally consider

houses from lagna alone. Suppose lagna is in Gemini. Then, to see the strength

of 9th house, the 9th from Gemini (i.e. Aq) is taken and scores in Aq in all

the eight ashtakavargas are aggregated. Aq may be the 2nd house from Sun, 5th

house from Moon, 7th house from Jupiter and so on. Still, scores in Aq in all

the eight bhinna ashtakavargas (BAV) are added up. This is somehow supposed to

give an indication of how strong the 9th house is overall.

 

The whole idea of ashtakavarga is that lagna is not the only reference. Seven

planets can be used as references along with lagna. When that is the whole

idea, how logical is it to take the houses from lagna alone when finding the

strengths of houses?

 

Aren't the 9th houses from Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn

good for nothing? Should the strength of the 9th house be decided solely based

on the 9th house from lagna? When we say "the 9th house" are we to totally

ignore the 9th houses from other references, or is the "9th house" a

combination of all the eight 9th houses?

 

My idea was to add the score in the 9th house from Sun in Sun's BAV, the score

in the 9th house from Moon in Moon's BAV, the score in the 9th house from Mars

in Mars's BAV and so on, to see the strength of the 9th house. This total is a

reflection of how strong the 9th house is overall. The overall 9th house in a

chart is combination the eight 9th houses (from lagna, Sun, Moon etc)!

 

This is very simple and you can do the calculations manually. But, if you need a

software, this variation will be available in version 7.0 of Jagannatha Hora

software planned to be released on Magha Pournima (2005 Feb 23). I will make

this calculation available in the free version.

 

In Bill Gates case, the scores in 9th, 10th and 11th houses using this approach

are not 24, 27 and 27. They are 31, 34 and 37.

 

I have used this reckoning of house strengths using SAV in many natal charts and

dasa pravesha charts and was satisfied. If my idea sounds appealing to you,

please feel free to try it.

 

By the way, ashtakavarga can be found in divisional charts. You may try this

approach of assessing the strengths of houses using SAV in divisional charts

also.

 

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Hi,

 

My thoughts on this.

 

I think SAV calculated traditionally is the right way.

Reasoning: Is'nt SAV all about contribution (sinking the powers) of

each planet into that specific bhava "with reference FROM lagna"

where "lagna" is signifying the "self". That is how each planet

impacts that specific bhava with respect to the "self". This point

is important. Here the interest is in how each planet

is "contributing" to that specific location in the zodiac rather

than relative positioning from each planet "which the new system

proposes".

 

The zodiac point of Ninth from a planet in 5th to Lagna is

defenitely different than 9th from Lagna itself. Hence ninth from

each planet is going to be different. How can they be added to

gather.

 

The new system is quite analogous to building a Navamsa chart taking

only "ninth fragment" of each Rasi bhava in the Rasi chakra.

Ignoring all the other 8 fragments.

 

Another way to look at the new system: Say we are interested in 12th

bhava and its SAV count. Instead of calculating the contribution of

planets of 5th to 12th the new system will will account for strong

4th thouse that is 12th to the 5th house. Does this make sense?

 

This is only my thought process and reasoning and I regard and

respect Narasimha and every one else on this list for their valuable

contribution to the system of Astrology.

 

Best Regards

 

Ven

 

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

<pvr@c...> wrote:

> Namaste friends,

>

> There was a discussion on samudaya ashtakavarga (SAV) a while ago.

Someone gave a few counter-examples to some standard SAV principles.

For example, Bill Gates has scores of 24, 27 and 27 in 9th, 10th and

11th houses. Successful people like him are expected to have scores

over 30 in those 3 houses.

>

> I said at that time that there may be errors in standard

understanding of SAV. I also said I did some research and will share

it with others when the time comes.

>

> Today is Magha Sukla Panchami. It is known as "Sri Panchami" and a

day supposed to be dear to goddess Saraswathi (the goddess of

knowledge). She is worshipped today. On this auspicious day, I have

decided to bow to Her and share my research finding with the Jyotish

community. You don't have to accept it or even test it. If you get

the inspiration from inside, you may try it and see how it works. I

do expect people to resist my idea, as what I am saying is different

from what everybody else taught until now.

>

> * * *

>

> When finding the strengths of various houses in SAV, people

normally consider houses from lagna alone. Suppose lagna is in

Gemini. Then, to see the strength of 9th house, the 9th from Gemini

(i.e. Aq) is taken and scores in Aq in all the eight ashtakavargas

are aggregated. Aq may be the 2nd house from Sun, 5th house from

Moon, 7th house from Jupiter and so on. Still, scores in Aq in all

the eight bhinna ashtakavargas (BAV) are added up. This is somehow

supposed to give an indication of how strong the 9th house is

overall.

>

> The whole idea of ashtakavarga is that lagna is not the only

reference. Seven planets can be used as references along with lagna.

When that is the whole idea, how logical is it to take the houses

from lagna alone when finding the strengths of houses?

>

> Aren't the 9th houses from Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter,

Venus and Saturn good for nothing? Should the strength of the 9th

house be decided solely based on the 9th house from lagna? When we

say "the 9th house" are we to totally ignore the 9th houses from

other references, or is the "9th house" a combination of all the

eight 9th houses?

>

> My idea was to add the score in the 9th house from Sun in Sun's

BAV, the score in the 9th house from Moon in Moon's BAV, the score

in the 9th house from Mars in Mars's BAV and so on, to see the

strength of the 9th house. This total is a reflection of how strong

the 9th house is overall. The overall 9th house in a chart is

combination the eight 9th houses (from lagna, Sun, Moon etc)!

>

> This is very simple and you can do the calculations manually. But,

if you need a software, this variation will be available in version

7.0 of Jagannatha Hora software planned to be released on Magha

Pournima (2005 Feb 23). I will make this calculation available in

the free version.

>

> In Bill Gates case, the scores in 9th, 10th and 11th houses using

this approach are not 24, 27 and 27. They are 31, 34 and 37.

>

> I have used this reckoning of house strengths using SAV in many

natal charts and dasa pravesha charts and was satisfied. If my idea

sounds appealing to you, please feel free to try it.

>

> By the way, ashtakavarga can be found in divisional charts. You

may try this approach of assessing the strengths of houses using SAV

in divisional charts also.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

> -------------------------------

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> -------------------------------

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Hmmm ... Very interesting.

 

SA

 

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

<pvr@c...> wrote:

> Namaste friends,

>

> There was a discussion on samudaya ashtakavarga (SAV) a while ago.

Someone gave a few counter-examples to some standard SAV principles.

For example, Bill Gates has scores of 24, 27 and 27 in 9th, 10th and

11th houses. Successful people like him are expected to have scores

over 30 in those 3 houses.

>

> I said at that time that there may be errors in standard

understanding of SAV. I also said I did some research and will share

it with others when the time comes.

>

> Today is Magha Sukla Panchami. It is known as "Sri Panchami" and a

day supposed to be dear to goddess Saraswathi (the goddess of

knowledge). She is worshipped today. On this auspicious day, I have

decided to bow to Her and share my research finding with the Jyotish

community. You don't have to accept it or even test it. If you get

the inspiration from inside, you may try it and see how it works. I

do expect people to resist my idea, as what I am saying is different

from what everybody else taught until now.

>

> * * *

>

> When finding the strengths of various houses in SAV, people

normally consider houses from lagna alone. Suppose lagna is in

Gemini. Then, to see the strength of 9th house, the 9th from Gemini

(i.e. Aq) is taken and scores in Aq in all the eight ashtakavargas

are aggregated. Aq may be the 2nd house from Sun, 5th house from

Moon, 7th house from Jupiter and so on. Still, scores in Aq in all

the eight bhinna ashtakavargas (BAV) are added up. This is somehow

supposed to give an indication of how strong the 9th house is

overall.

>

> The whole idea of ashtakavarga is that lagna is not the only

reference. Seven planets can be used as references along with lagna.

When that is the whole idea, how logical is it to take the houses

from lagna alone when finding the strengths of houses?

>

> Aren't the 9th houses from Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter,

Venus and Saturn good for nothing? Should the strength of the 9th

house be decided solely based on the 9th house from lagna? When we

say "the 9th house" are we to totally ignore the 9th houses from

other references, or is the "9th house" a combination of all the

eight 9th houses?

>

> My idea was to add the score in the 9th house from Sun in Sun's

BAV, the score in the 9th house from Moon in Moon's BAV, the score

in the 9th house from Mars in Mars's BAV and so on, to see the

strength of the 9th house. This total is a reflection of how strong

the 9th house is overall. The overall 9th house in a chart is

combination the eight 9th houses (from lagna, Sun, Moon etc)!

>

> This is very simple and you can do the calculations manually. But,

if you need a software, this variation will be available in version

7.0 of Jagannatha Hora software planned to be released on Magha

Pournima (2005 Feb 23). I will make this calculation available in

the free version.

>

> In Bill Gates case, the scores in 9th, 10th and 11th houses using

this approach are not 24, 27 and 27. They are 31, 34 and 37.

>

> I have used this reckoning of house strengths using SAV in many

natal charts and dasa pravesha charts and was satisfied. If my idea

sounds appealing to you, please feel free to try it.

>

> By the way, ashtakavarga can be found in divisional charts. You

may try this approach of assessing the strengths of houses using SAV

in divisional charts also.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

> -------------------------------

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> -------------------------------

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