Guest guest Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 hello, besides the book by prash trivedi on the lunar nodes "the rahu ketu experience", another excellent book on how to interpret the nodes in a chart is "vault of the heavens" by ernst wilhelm, also indicating that the nodes indicate direction of future growth, and past abilities and experiences. the chapter on the nodes has material that i did not find in any other book, other than trivedi's. kalidas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2005 Report Share Posted February 13, 2005 Hi, I know about that guy. I know about his Kala program. I have his program. I didn't like how he interpreted the Rahu and Ketu. He interpreted it just like it is interpreted in Western Astrology. I know a lot about Western Astrology. I have studied it since 1998,and I have done free readings for people since 1999. I do not like his interpretations. They are way too Western. His Rahu and Ketu interpretations are nothing like traditional Rahu and Ketu interpretations. Ketu is planet of loss and suffering as well as planet of moksha. Ketu in 12th is a strong placement for suffering and loss but a good position for moksha. Ketu has nothing to do with the past and Rahu has nothing to do with the future. Ketu is about the spiritual and Rahu is about the material. Ketu is about letting go of material things in order to stay true on the path of liberation. Thanks for the suggestion, but I know that guy interprets Rahu and Ketu too Western-like for my taste and pretty much erases the Vedic concept of Rahu and Ketu. Those are the same Western Astrology intepretations of Rahu and Ketu that I want to stay away from. It's my understand that the whole chart is karmic and not just Rahu and Ketu. Raymond vedic astrology, "mahakali108" <mahakali108> wrote: > > hello, > besides the book by prash trivedi on the lunar nodes "the rahu ketu > experience", another excellent book on how to interpret the nodes in > a chart is "vault of the heavens" by ernst wilhelm, also indicating > that the nodes indicate direction of future growth, and past > abilities and experiences. the chapter on the nodes has material > that i did not find in any other book, other than trivedi's. > kalidas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2005 Report Share Posted February 13, 2005 Hi, This is an interpretation of Rahu and Ketu from the Kala program by by the same author you recommended. His intepretations are Way too much like Western. I don't like them at all. They are not real Vedic intepretations. RAHU AND KETU KETU IN THE 12TH HOUSE, RAHU IN THE 6TH HOUSE: Ketu in the 12th house indicates a native who in recent past lives has not involved themselves with the many concerns of the world. This may have been done through spiritual and transcendental practices, or it may have been done through other, less healthy, activities, escapism, or even imprisonment. Planets influencing Ketu as well as the placement of Ketu's lord will indicate this. In any case, there has been a focus on attempting to become free from worldly karmas, either by somehow, ignorantly, not doing work, or through spiritual practices. Rahu in the 6th indicates the need to perform the works necessary to be free from all works. The native must perform the activities necessary to improve and manage their material affairs. These activities are necessary to give the completion that Ketu desires. It is important that the native works in a spirit of karma yoga, that human right is for activity, not the results of their activities, else the native suffers from further binding attachments, which hinder the realization of Ketu's goals of completion, resolution and transcendence. KETU IN CANCER, RAHU IN CAPRICORN: Ketu in Cancer indicates a native who in recent past lives has created security by stabilizing, or controlling their emotions and reactions to the events in life. This makes for a more introverted personality, and one more attached to going inward to find comfort than to tackle things externally in order to create security. There is a tendency to over-control the feelings and reactions, which may cause eruptions or moods to be triggered when the native can no longer take it. It is because the emotions are controlled, rather than enjoyed with detachment, that these moods occur. The native needs to learn to allow the emotions to flow freely, to let the feelings feel what they may, without any fear of the pain that may be involved with this. The greater the emotions and reactions are controlled as a result of what the outer environment brings the more out of control and chaotic the external environment will be. Rahu in Capricorn indicates this out of control, chaotic outer environment and instability. Through Rahu in Capricorn the native learns to create balance and stability in their external lives that reflects a balanced internal security. A controlled inner security, the security indicated by Ketu in Cancer, is not a balanced security, and the imbalances will be revealed by external factors being unstable through Rahu in Capricorn. Rahu in Capricorn also indicates a tendency to fear the many terrible possibilities of the world that are a natural part of life. In order to overcome these fears a tendency to overly control the environment arises, which results in nothing but more stress. As the native truly becomes secure inwardly, these fears are alleviated. These are so much like Western intepretations for Rahu and Ketu. It's these type of interpretations I don't want to read. Ketu is the planet of suffering and loss,and it is the significator for liberation. Ketu in 12th indicates great loss and suffering,but it's a good position for mysticism and liberation. Rahu is more the materialistic planet. The ultimate aim is to be highly spiritual and achieve liberation. That's not the goal of Rahu. That's the goal of Ketu. Western Astrologers put more benefic emphasis on Rahu because it's focused more on materialism. I know. I have studied western astrology since 1998,and I have done readings since 1999. I know what Western Astrology looks like. In Western Astrology,South Node has to do with the past and old habits. North has to do with the future and things that we have to learn,and our path for the present life. Wilhelm Ernst's interpretations are typical Western Astrology interpretations for the nodes. In Western Astrology with tropical placidus system, I have North Node in Aquarius in 5th and South Node in Leo in 11th. I won't even bother getting his book. Thanks for the suggestion. I want real Vedic intepretations for Ketu and Rahu. vedic astrology, "mahakali108" <mahakali108> wrote: > > hello, > besides the book by prash trivedi on the lunar nodes "the rahu ketu > experience", another excellent book on how to interpret the nodes in > a chart is "vault of the heavens" by ernst wilhelm, also indicating > that the nodes indicate direction of future growth, and past > abilities and experiences. the chapter on the nodes has material > that i did not find in any other book, other than trivedi's. > kalidas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2005 Report Share Posted February 13, 2005 This is an interpretation from the Goravani Jyotish program: In your mind you think of spiritual life as real and true and so you know that material life is not the aim of life. This comes gradually as you get older, as material expectations are one by one ruled out as unfulfilling. Therefore, gradually through life, you spend more of your time and energy towards serving good causes. Also, in an attempt to sort things out in this transition, you become restless, and sometimes try to spend for pleasure, only to feel increased frustration. Overall, you should do well because of your sincere approach to life. Areas to try to prevent disease troubles would include the feet, eyes and private parts. Ketu is in 12. This is Andrew Bloomingfield's book, HOW TO PRACTICE VEDIC ASTROLOGY Ketu in 12th indicates an unusually profound spiritual aspirant. This is a good placement for actualization. Otherwise, the possibility exist that you will be deceived on the spiritual path by pseudo gurus. Raymond vedic astrology, "astynaz" <astynaz> wrote: > > > Hi, > > I know about that guy. I know about his Kala program. I have his > program. I didn't like how he interpreted the Rahu and Ketu. He > interpreted it just like it is interpreted in Western Astrology. I > know a lot about Western Astrology. I have studied it since 1998,and > I have done free readings for people since 1999. I do not like his > interpretations. They are way too Western. His Rahu and Ketu > interpretations are nothing like traditional Rahu and Ketu > interpretations. Ketu is planet of loss and suffering as well as > planet of moksha. Ketu in 12th is a strong placement for suffering > and loss but a good position for moksha. Ketu has nothing to do with > the past and Rahu has nothing to do with the future. Ketu is about > the spiritual and Rahu is about the material. Ketu is about letting > go of material things in order to stay true on the path of > liberation. > > Thanks for the suggestion, but I know that guy interprets Rahu and > Ketu too Western-like for my taste and pretty much erases the Vedic > concept of Rahu and Ketu. Those are the same Western Astrology > intepretations of Rahu and Ketu that I want to stay away from. It's > my understand that the whole chart is karmic and not just Rahu and > Ketu. > > > > Raymond > > vedic astrology, "mahakali108" > <mahakali108> wrote: > > > > hello, > > besides the book by prash trivedi on the lunar nodes "the rahu ketu > > experience", another excellent book on how to interpret the nodes > in > > a chart is "vault of the heavens" by ernst wilhelm, also indicating > > that the nodes indicate direction of future growth, and past > > abilities and experiences. the chapter on the nodes has material > > that i did not find in any other book, other than trivedi's. > > kalidas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2005 Report Share Posted February 13, 2005 - well, ok, i agree that was a bit pop-psychology new agey. in ernst wilhelms book, i have to admit, there is a lot of that, though at the same time he also mentions things like how the dispositor of the nodes determines the area of life that was developed/needs to be developed (ex: rahu in 6th, its dipositor in the 10th indicated need to develop say, healing/karma yoga in area of career). on the subject of not believing everything in books, he has nothing good to say about any planet combust the sun. yet another author argues that only the external significations (natural and house placement) of a combust planet are destroyed, not the internal qualities, which in fact get magnified (venus, love, bhuda intellect, etc) since the sun is after all the soul indicator. overall, now i have to admit you have got me interested in finding out what are the actual scriptural vedic authorities on the nodal placement, and how do traditional practicing vedic astrologers interpret the nodal placements, for example, local village/temple brahmin priest-astrologers. do you think that even native hindus who came to the west like komilla sutton and prash trivedi were simply influenced by western astrology and are trying to create a synthesis? i know 2 traditional tantric priest-astrologers, so i now plan to question them about it. it may take time, since they both come to the us every year but are now in india (and im not), and one doesnt speak much english. i have to admit, though, that prash trivedi, i guess being born in india, though he now lives in uk, is more concrete sounding, for the most part. he mentions that with cancer/ketu-capricorn/rahu placement, the native in the past developed the internal emotional and domestic side, and now needs to develop a more concrete material worldly activity (in area of house placement, and dispositor's house) it all fits my chart at least. a different sign axis fits a friend i know well. she has ketu aquarius, rahu in leo. trivedi says that she in past lives took part in aquarian peruits, sublimating the ego for the greater good, but then went too far, so now feel undeserving, and in this life needs to develop self esteem. this feels true, as she doesnt believe she deserves to be loved.(her leo is in 5th house) at the same time, often i feel i cannot make heads or tails out of some of these placements. certain nodal house axis placements and dispositor placements just dont make much sense, when put into a sentance. by the way, a really westernized pop-psychology oriented fuzzy wuzzy author, in my opinion, is komilla sutton's book on the nodes. i actually decided to give it to a used bookstore, i just couldnt take her writing style anymore. and she doesnt even mention the very important placement of the dispostors of the nodes, or how if the dispositor or nakshatra ruler of rahu is with ketu, it means that one must actually go back to ketu. anyway, like i said, now you got me interested in finding out the truth about the vedic view of the nodal placements from traditional temple astrologers fron india, and not just from hindu asrologers who perhaps, just perhaps, are simply engaging in a synthesis of east -west, which is dangerous because the zodiacs are different. so ones nodal placement in one zodiac will not match the other zodiac. does that mean that the synthesizers believe BOTH zodiacal placements indicate side by side the karmic axis of future growth/past experience? anyway, thanks for your input, kalidas -- In vedic astrology, "astynaz" <astynaz> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > This is an interpretation of Rahu and Ketu from the Kala program by > by the same author you recommended. His intepretations are Way too > much like Western. I don't like them at all. They are not real Vedic > intepretations. > > > RAHU AND KETU > KETU IN THE 12TH HOUSE, RAHU IN THE 6TH HOUSE: Ketu in the 12th house > indicates a native who in recent past lives has not involved > themselves with the many concerns of the world. This may have been > done through spiritual and transcendental practices, or it may have > been done through other, less healthy, activities, escapism, or even > imprisonment. Planets influencing Ketu as well as the placement of > Ketu's lord will indicate this. In any case, there has been a focus > on attempting to become free from worldly karmas, either by somehow, > ignorantly, not doing work, or through spiritual practices. > Rahu in the 6th indicates the need to perform the works > necessary to be free from all works. The native must perform the > activities necessary to improve and manage their material affairs. > These activities are necessary to give the completion that Ketu > desires. It is important that the native works in a spirit of karma > yoga, that human right is for activity, not the results of their > activities, else the native suffers from further binding attachments, > which hinder the realization of Ketu's goals of completion, > resolution and transcendence. > > KETU IN CANCER, RAHU IN CAPRICORN: Ketu in Cancer indicates a native > who in recent past lives has created security by stabilizing, or > controlling their emotions and reactions to the events in life. This > makes for a more introverted personality, and one more attached to > going inward to find comfort than to tackle things externally in > order to create security. There is a tendency to over-control the > feelings and reactions, which may cause eruptions or moods to be > triggered when the native can no longer take it. It is because the > emotions are controlled, rather than enjoyed with detachment, that > these moods occur. The native needs to learn to allow the emotions to > flow freely, to let the feelings feel what they may, without any fear > of the pain that may be involved with this. The greater the emotions > and reactions are controlled as a result of what the outer > environment brings the more out of control and chaotic the external > environment will be. Rahu in Capricorn indicates this out of control, > chaotic outer environment and instability. Through Rahu in Capricorn > the native learns to create balance and stability in their external > lives that reflects a balanced internal security. A controlled inner > security, the security indicated by Ketu in Cancer, is not a balanced > security, and the imbalances will be revealed by external factors > being unstable through Rahu in Capricorn. > Rahu in Capricorn also indicates a tendency to fear the many > terrible possibilities of the world that are a natural part of life. > In order to overcome these fears a tendency to overly control the > environment arises, which results in nothing but more stress. As the > native truly becomes secure inwardly, these fears are alleviated. > > > > These are so much like Western intepretations for Rahu and Ketu. It's > these type of interpretations I don't want to read. Ketu is the > planet of suffering and loss,and it is the significator for > liberation. Ketu in 12th indicates great loss and suffering,but it's > a good position for mysticism and liberation. Rahu is more the > materialistic planet. The ultimate aim is to be highly spiritual and > achieve liberation. That's not the goal of Rahu. That's the goal of > Ketu. Western Astrologers put more benefic emphasis on Rahu because > it's focused more on materialism. I know. I have studied western > astrology since 1998,and I have done readings since 1999. I know what > Western Astrology looks like. In Western Astrology,South Node has to > do with the past and old habits. North has to do with the future and > things that we have to learn,and our path for the present life. > Wilhelm Ernst's interpretations are typical Western Astrology > interpretations for the nodes. In Western Astrology with tropical > placidus system, I have North Node in Aquarius in 5th and South Node > in Leo in 11th. > > > I won't even bother getting his book. Thanks for the suggestion. I > want real Vedic intepretations for Ketu and Rahu. > > > > > vedic astrology, "mahakali108" > <mahakali108> wrote: > > > > hello, > > besides the book by prash trivedi on the lunar nodes "the rahu ketu > > experience", another excellent book on how to interpret the nodes > in > > a chart is "vault of the heavens" by ernst wilhelm, also indicating > > that the nodes indicate direction of future growth, and past > > abilities and experiences. the chapter on the nodes has material > > that i did not find in any other book, other than trivedi's. > > kalidas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2005 Report Share Posted February 13, 2005 Hi, That all seems like Western Astrology to me. I am sorry to say. In Western Astrology, Western Astrologers do look at the south node for pastlives. In Vedic Astrology, Ketu is looked at to see about losses,suffering,and liberation. Your friend probably has other things that indicate what you say. It could be shown in the varga charts....especially the navamsha. I find that the dispostor of my Ketu has to do with loss but it is also the lord of my 12th house for I have Ketu in Cancer in 12th. It could be about loss,suffering through marriage. Maybe my spouse will experience much loss and suffering. Maybe she will be sick. Maybe she will have serious psychological problems. She could be mystical,spiritual,and psychic. I think that Sutton and Trivedi were probably influenced by the ideas of Western Astrologers. I can definitely say that about Wilhelm Ernst. I can relate to what you said about Ketu in Cancer, Rahu in Capricorn, but I have 6th house lord Saturn aspecting Moon in Saturn's sign,Aquarius any way. My Moon disposits Ketu in Cancer in 12th. Also Moon is in Satabisha which is nakshastra of Rahu,and I have Rahu in Shravana which is the nakshastra of Moon. Therefore I have Planet in nakshastra mutual reception. I also have 12th house lord Moon conjunct 4th/9th house lord Mars. I have a lot of emphasis on mother,domestic problems. here are some stuff on rahu and ketu I will try to find more. http://www.goravani.com/lessons/RahuKetu.html http://www.aimuno.net/astrology/ketu.htm http://www.aimuno.net/astrology/rahu.htm http://astro.indiatimes.com/planets/RahuKetu.htm http://www.astrologynyc.org/pdf/rahu_and_ketu_fall02.pdf#search='Rahu% 20and%20Ketu%20in%20scriptures' http://www.vegetarian-restaurants.net/Asrology/Planets.htm http://www.goravani.com/lessons/Ketu.html here is something about Ketu in 12th......talks about how it's difficult karma and possible liberation .....in some ways, Ketu in 12th is similar to western interpretation of South Node in 12th house because Ketu in 12th is strong placement for mysticism,spirituality,and suffering any way just South Node in 12th indicates mysticism,spirituality,loss,and suffering in the past. Ketu seems like the spiritual benefic and material malefic and Rahu seems like the material benefic and spiritual malefic. http://www.occulthealing.org/aoltthk.htm Raymond we can chat on messenger sometime. vedic astrology, "mahakali108" <mahakali108> wrote: > > - > well, ok, i agree that was a bit pop-psychology new agey. in ernst > wilhelms book, i have to admit, there is a lot of that, though at > the same time he also mentions things like how the dispositor of the > nodes determines the area of life that was developed/needs to be > developed (ex: rahu in 6th, its dipositor in the 10th indicated need > to develop say, healing/karma yoga in area of career). > > on the subject of not believing everything in books, he has nothing > good to say about any planet combust the sun. yet another author > argues that only the external significations (natural and house > placement) of a combust planet are destroyed, not the internal > qualities, which in fact get magnified (venus, love, bhuda > intellect, etc) since the sun is after all the soul indicator. > > overall, now i have to admit you have got me interested in finding > out what are the actual scriptural vedic authorities on the nodal > placement, and how do traditional practicing vedic astrologers > interpret the nodal placements, for example, local village/temple > brahmin priest-astrologers. > > do you think that even native hindus who came to the west like > komilla sutton and prash trivedi were simply influenced by western > astrology and are trying to create a synthesis? > > i know 2 traditional tantric priest-astrologers, so i now plan to > question them about it. it may take time, since they both come to > the us every year but are now in india (and im not), and one doesnt > speak much english. > > i have to admit, though, that prash trivedi, i guess being born in > india, though he now lives in uk, is more concrete sounding, for the > most part. he mentions that with cancer/ketu-capricorn/rahu > placement, the native in the past developed the internal emotional > and domestic side, and now needs to develop a more concrete material > worldly activity (in area of house placement, and dispositor's house) > > it all fits my chart at least. > a different sign axis fits a friend i know well. she has ketu > aquarius, rahu in leo. trivedi says that she in past lives took part > in aquarian peruits, sublimating the ego for the greater good, but > then went too far, so now feel undeserving, and in this life needs > to develop self esteem. this feels true, as she doesnt believe she > deserves to be loved.(her leo is in 5th house) > > at the same time, often i feel i cannot make heads or tails out of > some of these placements. certain nodal house axis placements and > dispositor placements just dont make much sense, when put into a > sentance. > > by the way, a really westernized pop-psychology oriented fuzzy wuzzy > author, in my opinion, is komilla sutton's book on the nodes. i > actually decided to give it to a used bookstore, i just couldnt take > her writing style anymore. and she doesnt even mention the very > important placement of the dispostors of the nodes, or how if the > dispositor or nakshatra ruler of rahu is with ketu, it means that > one must actually go back to ketu. > > anyway, like i said, now you got me interested in finding out the > truth about the vedic view of the nodal placements from traditional > temple astrologers fron india, and not just from hindu asrologers > who perhaps, just perhaps, are simply engaging in a synthesis of > east -west, which is dangerous because the zodiacs are different. so > ones nodal placement in one zodiac will not match the other zodiac. > does that mean that the synthesizers believe BOTH zodiacal > placements indicate side by side the karmic axis of future > growth/past experience? > > anyway, thanks for your input, > kalidas > > > > > > -- In vedic astrology, "astynaz" <astynaz> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > This is an interpretation of Rahu and Ketu from the Kala program > by > > by the same author you recommended. His intepretations are Way too > > much like Western. I don't like them at all. They are not real > Vedic > > intepretations. > > > > > > RAHU AND KETU > > KETU IN THE 12TH HOUSE, RAHU IN THE 6TH HOUSE: Ketu in the 12th > house > > indicates a native who in recent past lives has not involved > > themselves with the many concerns of the world. This may have been > > done through spiritual and transcendental practices, or it may > have > > been done through other, less healthy, activities, escapism, or > even > > imprisonment. Planets influencing Ketu as well as the placement of > > Ketu's lord will indicate this. In any case, there has been a > focus > > on attempting to become free from worldly karmas, either by > somehow, > > ignorantly, not doing work, or through spiritual practices. > > Rahu in the 6th indicates the need to perform the works > > necessary to be free from all works. The native must perform the > > activities necessary to improve and manage their material affairs. > > These activities are necessary to give the completion that Ketu > > desires. It is important that the native works in a spirit of > karma > > yoga, that human right is for activity, not the results of their > > activities, else the native suffers from further binding > attachments, > > which hinder the realization of Ketu's goals of completion, > > resolution and transcendence. > > > > KETU IN CANCER, RAHU IN CAPRICORN: Ketu in Cancer indicates a > native > > who in recent past lives has created security by stabilizing, or > > controlling their emotions and reactions to the events in life. > This > > makes for a more introverted personality, and one more attached to > > going inward to find comfort than to tackle things externally in > > order to create security. There is a tendency to over-control the > > feelings and reactions, which may cause eruptions or moods to be > > triggered when the native can no longer take it. It is because the > > emotions are controlled, rather than enjoyed with detachment, that > > these moods occur. The native needs to learn to allow the emotions > to > > flow freely, to let the feelings feel what they may, without any > fear > > of the pain that may be involved with this. The greater the > emotions > > and reactions are controlled as a result of what the outer > > environment brings the more out of control and chaotic the > external > > environment will be. Rahu in Capricorn indicates this out of > control, > > chaotic outer environment and instability. Through Rahu in > Capricorn > > the native learns to create balance and stability in their > external > > lives that reflects a balanced internal security. A controlled > inner > > security, the security indicated by Ketu in Cancer, is not a > balanced > > security, and the imbalances will be revealed by external factors > > being unstable through Rahu in Capricorn. > > Rahu in Capricorn also indicates a tendency to fear the many > > terrible possibilities of the world that are a natural part of > life. > > In order to overcome these fears a tendency to overly control the > > environment arises, which results in nothing but more stress. As > the > > native truly becomes secure inwardly, these fears are alleviated. > > > > > > > > These are so much like Western intepretations for Rahu and Ketu. > It's > > these type of interpretations I don't want to read. Ketu is the > > planet of suffering and loss,and it is the significator for > > liberation. Ketu in 12th indicates great loss and suffering,but > it's > > a good position for mysticism and liberation. Rahu is more the > > materialistic planet. The ultimate aim is to be highly spiritual > and > > achieve liberation. That's not the goal of Rahu. That's the goal > of > > Ketu. Western Astrologers put more benefic emphasis on Rahu > because > > it's focused more on materialism. I know. I have studied western > > astrology since 1998,and I have done readings since 1999. I know > what > > Western Astrology looks like. In Western Astrology,South Node has > to > > do with the past and old habits. North has to do with the future > and > > things that we have to learn,and our path for the present life. > > Wilhelm Ernst's interpretations are typical Western Astrology > > interpretations for the nodes. In Western Astrology with tropical > > placidus system, I have North Node in Aquarius in 5th and South > Node > > in Leo in 11th. > > > > > > I won't even bother getting his book. Thanks for the suggestion. I > > want real Vedic intepretations for Ketu and Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "mahakali108" > > <mahakali108> wrote: > > > > > > hello, > > > besides the book by prash trivedi on the lunar nodes "the rahu > ketu > > > experience", another excellent book on how to interpret the > nodes > > in > > > a chart is "vault of the heavens" by ernst wilhelm, also > indicating > > > that the nodes indicate direction of future growth, and past > > > abilities and experiences. the chapter on the nodes has material > > > that i did not find in any other book, other than trivedi's. > > > kalidas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2005 Report Share Posted February 13, 2005 Did you come across a book on the Nodes by Manik Chand Jain? The publishers are Sagar Publications of Delhi. The author says, "The book in your hand is the result of my researches and experiments and I have taken considerable pains to verify the accuracy of predicting events based upon Rahu and Ketu..." Davidastynaz <astynaz > wrote: Hi,That all seems like Western Astrology to me. I am sorry to say. In Western Astrology, Western Astrologers do look at the south node for pastlives. In Vedic Astrology, Ketu is looked at to see about losses,suffering,and liberation.Your friend probably has other things that indicate what you say. It could be shown in the varga charts....especially the navamsha.I find that the dispostor of my Ketu has to do with loss but it is also the lord of my 12th house for I have Ketu in Cancer in 12th. It could be about loss,suffering through marriage. Maybe my spouse will experience much loss and suffering. Maybe she will be sick. Maybe she will have serious psychological problems. She could be mystical,spiritual,and psychic. I think that Sutton and Trivedi were probably influenced by the ideas of Western Astrologers. I can definitely say that about Wilhelm Ernst.I can relate to what you said about Ketu in Cancer, Rahu in Capricorn, but I have 6th house lord Saturn aspecting Moon in Saturn's sign,Aquarius any way. My Moon disposits Ketu in Cancer in 12th. Also Moon is in Satabisha which is nakshastra of Rahu,and I have Rahu in Shravana which is the nakshastra of Moon. Therefore I have Planet in nakshastra mutual reception. I also have 12th house lord Moon conjunct 4th/9th house lord Mars. I have a lot of emphasis on mother,domestic problems.here are some stuff on rahu and ketuI will try to find more.http://www.goravani.com/lessons/RahuKetu.htmlhttp://www.aimuno.net/astrology/ketu.htmhttp://www.aimuno.net/astrology/rahu.htmhttp://astro.indiatimes.com/planets/RahuKetu.htmhttp://www.astrologynyc.org/pdf/rahu_and_ketu_fall02.pdf#search='Rahu%20and%20Ketu%20in%20scriptures'http://www.vegetarian-restaurants.net/Asrology/Planets.htmhttp://www.goravani.com/lessons/Ketu.htmlhere is something about Ketu in 12th......talks about how it's difficult karma and possible liberation .....in some ways, Ketu in 12th is similar to western interpretation of South Node in 12th house because Ketu in 12th is strong placement for mysticism,spirituality,and suffering any way just South Node in 12th indicates mysticism,spirituality,loss,and suffering in the past.Ketu seems like the spiritual benefic and material malefic and Rahu seems like the material benefic and spiritual malefic.http://www.occulthealing.org/aoltthk.htm Raymondwe can chat on messenger sometime.vedic astrology, "mahakali108" <mahakali108> wrote:> > -> well, ok, i agree that was a bit pop-psychology new agey. in ernst > wilhelms book, i have to admit, there is a lot of that, though at > the same time he also mentions things like how the dispositor of the > nodes determines the area of life that was developed/needs to be > developed (ex: rahu in 6th, its dipositor in the 10th indicated need > to develop say, healing/karma yoga in area of career).> > on the subject of not believing everything in books, he has nothing > good to say about any planet combust the sun. yet another author > argues that only the external significations (natural and house > placement) of a combust planet are destroyed, not the internal > qualities, which in fact get magnified (venus, love, bhuda > intellect, etc) since the sun is after all the soul indicator.> > overall, now i have to admit you have got me interested in finding > out what are the actual scriptural vedic authorities on the nodal > placement, and how do traditional practicing vedic astrologers > interpret the nodal placements, for example, local village/temple > brahmin priest-astrologers.> > do you think that even native hindus who came to the west like > komilla sutton and prash trivedi were simply influenced by western > astrology and are trying to create a synthesis?> > i know 2 traditional tantric priest-astrologers, so i now plan to > question them about it. it may take time, since they both come to > the us every year but are now in india (and im not), and one doesnt > speak much english.> > i have to admit, though, that prash trivedi, i guess being born in > india, though he now lives in uk, is more concrete sounding, for the > most part. he mentions that with cancer/ketu-capricorn/rahu > placement, the native in the past developed the internal emotional > and domestic side, and now needs to develop a more concrete material > worldly activity (in area of house placement, and dispositor's house)> > it all fits my chart at least.> a different sign axis fits a friend i know well. she has ketu > aquarius, rahu in leo. trivedi says that she in past lives took part > in aquarian peruits, sublimating the ego for the greater good, but > then went too far, so now feel undeserving, and in this life needs > to develop self esteem. this feels true, as she doesnt believe she > deserves to be loved.(her leo is in 5th house) > > at the same time, often i feel i cannot make heads or tails out of > some of these placements. certain nodal house axis placements and > dispositor placements just dont make much sense, when put into a > sentance.> > by the way, a really westernized pop-psychology oriented fuzzy wuzzy > author, in my opinion, is komilla sutton's book on the nodes. i > actually decided to give it to a used bookstore, i just couldnt take > her writing style anymore. and she doesnt even mention the very > important placement of the dispostors of the nodes, or how if the > dispositor or nakshatra ruler of rahu is with ketu, it means that > one must actually go back to ketu.> > anyway, like i said, now you got me interested in finding out the > truth about the vedic view of the nodal placements from traditional > temple astrologers fron india, and not just from hindu asrologers > who perhaps, just perhaps, are simply engaging in a synthesis of > east -west, which is dangerous because the zodiacs are different. so > ones nodal placement in one zodiac will not match the other zodiac.> does that mean that the synthesizers believe BOTH zodiacal > placements indicate side by side the karmic axis of future > growth/past experience?> > anyway, thanks for your input,> kalidas> > > > > > -- In vedic astrology, "astynaz" <astynaz> > wrote:> > > > > > > > Hi,> > > > This is an interpretation of Rahu and Ketu from the Kala program > by > > by the same author you recommended. His intepretations are Way too > > much like Western. I don't like them at all. They are not real > Vedic > > intepretations.> > > > > > RAHU AND KETU> > KETU IN THE 12TH HOUSE, RAHU IN THE 6TH HOUSE: Ketu in the 12th > house > > indicates a native who in recent past lives has not involved > > themselves with the many concerns of the world. This may have been > > done through spiritual and transcendental practices, or it may > have > > been done through other, less healthy, activities, escapism, or > even > > imprisonment. Planets influencing Ketu as well as the placement of > > Ketu's lord will indicate this. In any case, there has been a > focus > > on attempting to become free from worldly karmas, either by > somehow, > > ignorantly, not doing work, or through spiritual practices.> > Rahu in the 6th indicates the need to perform the works > > necessary to be free from all works. The native must perform the > > activities necessary to improve and manage their material affairs. > > These activities are necessary to give the completion that Ketu > > desires. It is important that the native works in a spirit of > karma > > yoga, that human right is for activity, not the results of their > > activities, else the native suffers from further binding > attachments, > > which hinder the realization of Ketu's goals of completion, > > resolution and transcendence.> > > > KETU IN CANCER, RAHU IN CAPRICORN: Ketu in Cancer indicates a > native > > who in recent past lives has created security by stabilizing, or > > controlling their emotions and reactions to the events in life. > This > > makes for a more introverted personality, and one more attached to > > going inward to find comfort than to tackle things externally in > > order to create security. There is a tendency to over-control the > > feelings and reactions, which may cause eruptions or moods to be > > triggered when the native can no longer take it. It is because the > > emotions are controlled, rather than enjoyed with detachment, that > > these moods occur. The native needs to learn to allow the emotions > to > > flow freely, to let the feelings feel what they may, without any > fear > > of the pain that may be involved with this. The greater the > emotions > > and reactions are controlled as a result of what the outer > > environment brings the more out of control and chaotic the > external > > environment will be. Rahu in Capricorn indicates this out of > control, > > chaotic outer environment and instability. Through Rahu in > Capricorn > > the native learns to create balance and stability in their > external > > lives that reflects a balanced internal security. A controlled > inner > > security, the security indicated by Ketu in Cancer, is not a > balanced > > security, and the imbalances will be revealed by external factors > > being unstable through Rahu in Capricorn.> > Rahu in Capricorn also indicates a tendency to fear the many > > terrible possibilities of the world that are a natural part of > life. > > In order to overcome these fears a tendency to overly control the > > environment arises, which results in nothing but more stress. As > the > > native truly becomes secure inwardly, these fears are alleviated.> > > > > > > > These are so much like Western intepretations for Rahu and Ketu. > It's > > these type of interpretations I don't want to read. Ketu is the > > planet of suffering and loss,and it is the significator for > > liberation. Ketu in 12th indicates great loss and suffering,but > it's > > a good position for mysticism and liberation. Rahu is more the > > materialistic planet. The ultimate aim is to be highly spiritual > and > > achieve liberation. That's not the goal of Rahu. That's the goal > of > > Ketu. Western Astrologers put more benefic emphasis on Rahu > because > > it's focused more on materialism. I know. I have studied western > > astrology since 1998,and I have done readings since 1999. I know > what > > Western Astrology looks like. In Western Astrology,South Node has > to > > do with the past and old habits. North has to do with the future > and > > things that we have to learn,and our path for the present life. > > Wilhelm Ernst's interpretations are typical Western Astrology > > interpretations for the nodes. In Western Astrology with tropical > > placidus system, I have North Node in Aquarius in 5th and South > Node > > in Leo in 11th.> > > > > > I won't even bother getting his book. Thanks for the suggestion. I > > want real Vedic intepretations for Ketu and Rahu.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "mahakali108" > > <mahakali108> wrote:> > > > > > hello, > > > besides the book by prash trivedi on the lunar nodes "the rahu > ketu > > > experience", another excellent book on how to interpret the > nodes > > in > > > a chart is "vault of the heavens" by ernst wilhelm, also > indicating > > > that the nodes indicate direction of future growth, and past > > > abilities and experiences. the chapter on the nodes has material > > > that i did not find in any other book, other than trivedi's.> > > kalidasArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ........ Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2005 Report Share Posted February 13, 2005 I have read something on Jain,and it's not favorable http://www.astroamerica.com/v-jain.html Comment: The Karmic Control Planets are those planets ruling the signs wherein Rahu & Ketu (the moon's nodes) are located. As Ketu is the inlet point for past karmas, the planet ruling Ketu's sign is the past life Karmic Control. The planet ruling Rahu's sign is the Karmic Distribution Control Planet for the present life. Does this sound like Mohan Koparkar's Lunar Nodes to you? Let's have a look: Lunar Nodes, by Mohan Koparkar, was copyright 1977. M.C. Jain's Karmic Control Planets appeared sometime after 1980 & presumably before Jain's demise in 1984 (the only date in this book is for the publisher's "revised edition" of 2001). We note: Koparkar, pg. 7: ....it (the nodes) acts as a vacuum tube connecting the Unknown Past (Karma) and the Known Present. In other words, nodes bridge the gap between previous form of soul to the present soul structure. It also enables us to extrapolate the present soul structure & its possible connection to the future soul form. This automatically ties us down with a concept of some form of reincarnation process. Jain, pgs. 18-19: Rahu & Ketu act as a vacuum tube connecting the Unknown Past (Karma) and the Known Present. In other words, Rahu/Ketu bridge the gap between the previous form of soul to the present soul structure. It also enables us to extrapolate the present soul structure & its possible connection to the future soul form. This automatically ties us down with a concept of some form of the process of reincarnation. This stuff is no different from Western Astrology view of the Nodes. I want real Vedic Interpretations for Rahu and Ketu, the 2 halves of the demon that Indra killed. Raymond vedic astrology, David Andrews <andrews635> wrote: > Dear Raymond, > Did you come across a book on the Nodes by Manik Chand Jain? The publishers > are Sagar Publications of Delhi. > The author says, "The book in your hand is the result of my researches and experiments and I have taken considerable pains to verify the accuracy of predicting events based upon Rahu and Ketu..." > > David > > astynaz <astynaz> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > That all seems like Western Astrology to me. I am sorry to say. In > Western Astrology, Western Astrologers do look at the south node for > pastlives. In Vedic Astrology, Ketu is looked at to see about > losses,suffering,and liberation. > > Your friend probably has other things that indicate what you say. It > could be shown in the varga charts....especially the navamsha. > > I find that the dispostor of my Ketu has to do with loss but it is > also the lord of my 12th house for I have Ketu in Cancer in 12th. It > could be about loss,suffering through marriage. Maybe my spouse will > experience much loss and suffering. Maybe she will be sick. Maybe she > will have serious psychological problems. She could be > mystical,spiritual,and psychic. > > > I think that Sutton and Trivedi were probably influenced by the ideas > of Western Astrologers. I can definitely say that about Wilhelm Ernst. > > > I can relate to what you said about Ketu in Cancer, Rahu in > Capricorn, but I have 6th house lord Saturn aspecting Moon in > Saturn's sign,Aquarius any way. My Moon disposits Ketu in Cancer in > 12th. Also Moon is in Satabisha which is nakshastra of Rahu,and I > have Rahu in Shravana which is the nakshastra of Moon. Therefore I > have Planet in nakshastra mutual reception. I also have 12th house > lord Moon conjunct 4th/9th house lord Mars. I have a lot of emphasis > on mother,domestic problems. > > > > here are some stuff on rahu and ketu > I will try to find more. http://www.goravani.com/lessons/RahuKetu.html > > http://www.aimuno.net/astrology/ketu.htm > > http://www.aimuno.net/astrology/rahu.htm > > http://astro.indiatimes.com/planets/RahuKetu.htm > > http://www.astrologynyc.org/pdf/rahu_and_ketu_fall02.pdf#search='Rahu% > 20and%20Ketu%20in%20scriptures' > > http://www.vegetarian-restaurants.net/Asrology/Planets.htm > > http://www.goravani.com/lessons/Ketu.html > > > > here is something about Ketu in 12th......talks about how it's > difficult karma and possible liberation .....in some ways, Ketu in > 12th is similar to western interpretation of South Node in 12th house > because Ketu in 12th is strong placement for > mysticism,spirituality,and suffering any way just South Node in 12th > indicates mysticism,spirituality,loss,and suffering in the past. > > Ketu seems like the spiritual benefic and material malefic and Rahu > seems like the material benefic and spiritual malefic. > > http://www.occulthealing.org/aoltthk.htm > > > > > Raymond > > > > > > we can chat on messenger sometime. > > > > vedic astrology, "mahakali108" > <mahakali108> wrote: > > > > - > > well, ok, i agree that was a bit pop-psychology new agey. in ernst > > wilhelms book, i have to admit, there is a lot of that, though at > > the same time he also mentions things like how the dispositor of > the > > nodes determines the area of life that was developed/needs to be > > developed (ex: rahu in 6th, its dipositor in the 10th indicated > need > > to develop say, healing/karma yoga in area of career). > > > > on the subject of not believing everything in books, he has nothing > > good to say about any planet combust the sun. yet another author > > argues that only the external significations (natural and house > > placement) of a combust planet are destroyed, not the internal > > qualities, which in fact get magnified (venus, love, bhuda > > intellect, etc) since the sun is after all the soul indicator. > > > > overall, now i have to admit you have got me interested in finding > > out what are the actual scriptural vedic authorities on the nodal > > placement, and how do traditional practicing vedic astrologers > > interpret the nodal placements, for example, local village/temple > > brahmin priest-astrologers. > > > > do you think that even native hindus who came to the west like > > komilla sutton and prash trivedi were simply influenced by western > > astrology and are trying to create a synthesis? > > > > i know 2 traditional tantric priest-astrologers, so i now plan to > > question them about it. it may take time, since they both come to > > the us every year but are now in india (and im not), and one doesnt > > speak much english. > > > > i have to admit, though, that prash trivedi, i guess being born in > > india, though he now lives in uk, is more concrete sounding, for > the > > most part. he mentions that with cancer/ketu-capricorn/rahu > > placement, the native in the past developed the internal emotional > > and domestic side, and now needs to develop a more concrete > material > > worldly activity (in area of house placement, and dispositor's > house) > > > > it all fits my chart at least. > > a different sign axis fits a friend i know well. she has ketu > > aquarius, rahu in leo. trivedi says that she in past lives took > part > > in aquarian peruits, sublimating the ego for the greater good, but > > then went too far, so now feel undeserving, and in this life needs > > to develop self esteem. this feels true, as she doesnt believe she > > deserves to be loved.(her leo is in 5th house) > > > > at the same time, often i feel i cannot make heads or tails out of > > some of these placements. certain nodal house axis placements and > > dispositor placements just dont make much sense, when put into a > > sentance. > > > > by the way, a really westernized pop-psychology oriented fuzzy > wuzzy > > author, in my opinion, is komilla sutton's book on the nodes. i > > actually decided to give it to a used bookstore, i just couldnt > take > > her writing style anymore. and she doesnt even mention the very > > important placement of the dispostors of the nodes, or how if the > > dispositor or nakshatra ruler of rahu is with ketu, it means that > > one must actually go back to ketu. > > > > anyway, like i said, now you got me interested in finding out the > > truth about the vedic view of the nodal placements from traditional > > temple astrologers fron india, and not just from hindu asrologers > > who perhaps, just perhaps, are simply engaging in a synthesis of > > east -west, which is dangerous because the zodiacs are different. > so > > ones nodal placement in one zodiac will not match the other zodiac. > > does that mean that the synthesizers believe BOTH zodiacal > > placements indicate side by side the karmic axis of future > > growth/past experience? > > > > anyway, thanks for your input, > > kalidas > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In vedic astrology, "astynaz" <astynaz> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > This is an interpretation of Rahu and Ketu from the Kala program > > by > > > by the same author you recommended. His intepretations are Way > too > > > much like Western. I don't like them at all. They are not real > > Vedic > > > intepretations. > > > > > > > > > RAHU AND KETU > > > KETU IN THE 12TH HOUSE, RAHU IN THE 6TH HOUSE: Ketu in the 12th > > house > > > indicates a native who in recent past lives has not involved > > > themselves with the many concerns of the world. This may have > been > > > done through spiritual and transcendental practices, or it may > > have > > > been done through other, less healthy, activities, escapism, or > > even > > > imprisonment. Planets influencing Ketu as well as the placement > of > > > Ketu's lord will indicate this. In any case, there has been a > > focus > > > on attempting to become free from worldly karmas, either by > > somehow, > > > ignorantly, not doing work, or through spiritual practices. > > > Rahu in the 6th indicates the need to perform the works > > > necessary to be free from all works. The native must perform the > > > activities necessary to improve and manage their material > affairs. > > > These activities are necessary to give the completion that Ketu > > > desires. It is important that the native works in a spirit of > > karma > > > yoga, that human right is for activity, not the results of their > > > activities, else the native suffers from further binding > > attachments, > > > which hinder the realization of Ketu's goals of completion, > > > resolution and transcendence. > > > > > > KETU IN CANCER, RAHU IN CAPRICORN: Ketu in Cancer indicates a > > native > > > who in recent past lives has created security by stabilizing, or > > > controlling their emotions and reactions to the events in life. > > This > > > makes for a more introverted personality, and one more attached > to > > > going inward to find comfort than to tackle things externally in > > > order to create security. There is a tendency to over-control the > > > feelings and reactions, which may cause eruptions or moods to be > > > triggered when the native can no longer take it. It is because > the > > > emotions are controlled, rather than enjoyed with detachment, > that > > > these moods occur. The native needs to learn to allow the > emotions > > to > > > flow freely, to let the feelings feel what they may, without any > > fear > > > of the pain that may be involved with this. The greater the > > emotions > > > and reactions are controlled as a result of what the outer > > > environment brings the more out of control and chaotic the > > external > > > environment will be. Rahu in Capricorn indicates this out of > > control, > > > chaotic outer environment and instability. Through Rahu in > > Capricorn > > > the native learns to create balance and stability in their > > external > > > lives that reflects a balanced internal security. A controlled > > inner > > > security, the security indicated by Ketu in Cancer, is not a > > balanced > > > security, and the imbalances will be revealed by external factors > > > being unstable through Rahu in Capricorn. > > > Rahu in Capricorn also indicates a tendency to fear the many > > > terrible possibilities of the world that are a natural part of > > life. > > > In order to overcome these fears a tendency to overly control the > > > environment arises, which results in nothing but more stress. As > > the > > > native truly becomes secure inwardly, these fears are alleviated. > > > > > > > > > > > > These are so much like Western intepretations for Rahu and Ketu. > > It's > > > these type of interpretations I don't want to read. Ketu is the > > > planet of suffering and loss,and it is the significator for > > > liberation. Ketu in 12th indicates great loss and suffering,but > > it's > > > a good position for mysticism and liberation. Rahu is more the > > > materialistic planet. The ultimate aim is to be highly spiritual > > and > > > achieve liberation. That's not the goal of Rahu. That's the goal > > of > > > Ketu. Western Astrologers put more benefic emphasis on Rahu > > because > > > it's focused more on materialism. I know. I have studied western > > > astrology since 1998,and I have done readings since 1999. I know > > what > > > Western Astrology looks like. In Western Astrology,South Node has > > to > > > do with the past and old habits. North has to do with the future > > and > > > things that we have to learn,and our path for the present life. > > > Wilhelm Ernst's interpretations are typical Western Astrology > > > interpretations for the nodes. In Western Astrology with tropical > > > placidus system, I have North Node in Aquarius in 5th and South > > Node > > > in Leo in 11th. > > > > > > > > > I won't even bother getting his book. Thanks for the suggestion. > I > > > want real Vedic intepretations for Ketu and Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "mahakali108" > > > <mahakali108> wrote: > > > > > > > > hello, > > > > besides the book by prash trivedi on the lunar nodes "the rahu > > ketu > > > > experience", another excellent book on how to interpret the > > nodes > > > in > > > > a chart is "vault of the heavens" by ernst wilhelm, also > > indicating > > > > that the nodes indicate direction of future growth, and past > > > > abilities and experiences. the chapter on the nodes has > material > > > > that i did not find in any other book, other than trivedi's. > > > > kalidas > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted February 13, 2005 Report Share Posted February 13, 2005 Well, Astroamerica's David knows these books well. He has in fact studied them and is entitled to comment on them as he did in this case. I have yet to fully comprehend the nodes as every other authority, from Jatakabharnam, Sarvatha Chintamani, Phaladeepika to Uttar Kalamrita are not wholly in agreement with the other. I have a copy of Shiv Raj Sharma's "Mystery of Rahu in a horoscope". He is/was a colleague of Shri K.N. Rao at the Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan. That book if fairly well researched but has yet to satisfy my thirst for knowledge about the Nodes. David astynaz <astynaz > wrote: I have read something on Jain,and it's not favorablehttp://www.astroamerica.com/v-jain.htmlComment: The Karmic Control Planets are those planets ruling the signs wherein Rahu & Ketu (the moon's nodes) are located. As Ketu is the inlet point for past karmas, the planet ruling Ketu's sign is the past life Karmic Control. The planet ruling Rahu's sign is the Karmic Distribution Control Planet for the present life. Does this sound like Mohan Koparkar's Lunar Nodes to you? Let's have a look:Lunar Nodes, by Mohan Koparkar, was copyright 1977. M.C. Jain's Karmic Control Planets appeared sometime after 1980 & presumably before Jain's demise in 1984 (the only date in this book is for the publisher's "revised edition" of 2001). We note:Koparkar, pg. 7: ....it (the nodes) acts as a vacuum tube connecting the Unknown Past (Karma) and the Known Present. In other words, nodes bridge the gap between previous form of soul to the present soul structure. It also enables us to extrapolate the present soul structure & its possible connection to the future soul form. This automatically ties us down with a concept of some form of reincarnation process.Jain, pgs. 18-19: Rahu & Ketu act as a vacuum tube connecting the Unknown Past (Karma) and the Known Present. In other words, Rahu/Ketu bridge the gap between the previous form of soul to the present soul structure. It also enables us to extrapolate the present soul structure & its possible connection to the future soul form. This automatically ties us down with a concept of some form of the process of reincarnation.This stuff is no different from Western Astrology view of the Nodes. I want real Vedic Interpretations for Rahu and Ketu, the 2 halves of the demon that Indra killed.Raymondvedic astrology, David Andrews <andrews635> wrote:> Dear Raymond,> Did you come across a book on the Nodes by Manik Chand Jain? The publishers> are Sagar Publications of Delhi.> The author says, "The book in your hand is the result of my researches and experiments and I have taken considerable pains to verify the accuracy of predicting events based upon Rahu and Ketu..."> > David> > astynaz <astynaz> wrote:> > > > Hi,> > That all seems like Western Astrology to me. I am sorry to say. In > Western Astrology, Western Astrologers do look at the south node for > pastlives. In Vedic Astrology, Ketu is looked at to see about > losses,suffering,and liberation.> > Your friend probably has other things that indicate what you say. It > could be shown in the varga charts....especially the navamsha.> > I find that the dispostor of my Ketu has to do with loss but it is > also the lord of my 12th house for I have Ketu in Cancer in 12th. It > could be about loss,suffering through marriage. Maybe my spouse will > experience much loss and suffering. Maybe she will be sick. Maybe she > will have serious psychological problems. She could be > mystical,spiritual,and psychic. > > > I think that Sutton and Trivedi were probably influenced by the ideas > of Western Astrologers. I can definitely say that about Wilhelm Ernst.> > > I can relate to what you said about Ketu in Cancer, Rahu in > Capricorn, but I have 6th house lord Saturn aspecting Moon in > Saturn's sign,Aquarius any way. My Moon disposits Ketu in Cancer in > 12th. Also Moon is in Satabisha which is nakshastra of Rahu,and I > have Rahu in Shravana which is the nakshastra of Moon. Therefore I > have Planet in nakshastra mutual reception. I also have 12th house > lord Moon conjunct 4th/9th house lord Mars. I have a lot of emphasis > on mother,domestic problems.> > > > here are some stuff on rahu and ketu> I will try to find more.> > > > > > > http://www.goravani.com/lessons/RahuKetu.html> > http://www.aimuno.net/astrology/ketu.htm> > http://www.aimuno.net/astrology/rahu.htm> > http://astro.indiatimes.com/planets/RahuKetu.htm> > http://www.astrologynyc.org/pdf/rahu_and_ketu_fall02.pdf#search='Rahu%> 20and%20Ketu%20in%20scriptures'> > http://www.vegetarian-restaurants.net/Asrology/Planets.htm> > http://www.goravani.com/lessons/Ketu.html> > > > here is something about Ketu in 12th......talks about how it's > difficult karma and possible liberation ......in some ways, Ketu in > 12th is similar to western interpretation of South Node in 12th house > because Ketu in 12th is strong placement for > mysticism,spirituality,and suffering any way just South Node in 12th > indicates mysticism,spirituality,loss,and suffering in the past.> > Ketu seems like the spiritual benefic and material malefic and Rahu > seems like the material benefic and spiritual malefic.> > http://www.occulthealing.org/aoltthk.htm > > > > > Raymond> > > > > > we can chat on messenger sometime.> > > > --- In vedic astrology, "mahakali108" > <mahakali108> wrote:> > > > -> > well, ok, i agree that was a bit pop-psychology new agey. in ernst > > wilhelms book, i have to admit, there is a lot of that, though at > > the same time he also mentions things like how the dispositor of > the > > nodes determines the area of life that was developed/needs to be > > developed (ex: rahu in 6th, its dipositor in the 10th indicated > need > > to develop say, healing/karma yoga in area of career).> > > > on the subject of not believing everything in books, he has nothing > > good to say about any planet combust the sun. yet another author > > argues that only the external significations (natural and house > > placement) of a combust planet are destroyed, not the internal > > qualities, which in fact get magnified (venus, love, bhuda > > intellect, etc) since the sun is after all the soul indicator.> > > > overall, now i have to admit you have got me interested in finding > > out what are the actual scriptural vedic authorities on the nodal > > placement, and how do traditional practicing vedic astrologers > > interpret the nodal placements, for example, local village/temple > > brahmin priest-astrologers.> > > > do you think that even native hindus who came to the west like > > komilla sutton and prash trivedi were simply influenced by western > > astrology and are trying to create a synthesis?> > > > i know 2 traditional tantric priest-astrologers, so i now plan to > > question them about it. it may take time, since they both come to > > the us every year but are now in india (and im not), and one doesnt > > speak much english.> > > > i have to admit, though, that prash trivedi, i guess being born in > > india, though he now lives in uk, is more concrete sounding, for > the > > most part. he mentions that with cancer/ketu-capricorn/rahu > > placement, the native in the past developed the internal emotional > > and domestic side, and now needs to develop a more concrete > material > > worldly activity (in area of house placement, and dispositor's > house)> > > > it all fits my chart at least.> > a different sign axis fits a friend i know well. she has ketu > > aquarius, rahu in leo. trivedi says that she in past lives took > part > > in aquarian peruits, sublimating the ego for the greater good, but > > then went too far, so now feel undeserving, and in this life needs > > to develop self esteem. this feels true, as she doesnt believe she > > deserves to be loved.(her leo is in 5th house) > > > > at the same time, often i feel i cannot make heads or tails out of > > some of these placements. certain nodal house axis placements and > > dispositor placements just dont make much sense, when put into a > > sentance.> > > > by the way, a really westernized pop-psychology oriented fuzzy > wuzzy > > author, in my opinion, is komilla sutton's book on the nodes. i > > actually decided to give it to a used bookstore, i just couldnt > take > > her writing style anymore. and she doesnt even mention the very > > important placement of the dispostors of the nodes, or how if the > > dispositor or nakshatra ruler of rahu is with ketu, it means that > > one must actually go back to ketu.> > > > anyway, like i said, now you got me interested in finding out the > > truth about the vedic view of the nodal placements from traditional > > temple astrologers fron india, and not just from hindu asrologers > > who perhaps, just perhaps, are simply engaging in a synthesis of > > east -west, which is dangerous because the zodiacs are different. > so > > ones nodal placement in one zodiac will not match the other zodiac.> > does that mean that the synthesizers believe BOTH zodiacal > > placements indicate side by side the karmic axis of future > > growth/past experience?> > > > anyway, thanks for your input,> > kalidas> > > > > > > > > > > > -- In vedic astrology, "astynaz" <astynaz> > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi,> > > > > > This is an interpretation of Rahu and Ketu from the Kala program > > by > > > by the same author you recommended. His intepretations are Way > too > > > much like Western. I don't like them at all. They are not real > > Vedic > > > intepretations.> > > > > > > > > RAHU AND KETU> > > KETU IN THE 12TH HOUSE, RAHU IN THE 6TH HOUSE: Ketu in the 12th > > house > > > indicates a native who in recent past lives has not involved > > > themselves with the many concerns of the world. This may have > been > > > done through spiritual and transcendental practices, or it may > > have > > > been done through other, less healthy, activities, escapism, or > > even > > > imprisonment. Planets influencing Ketu as well as the placement > of > > > Ketu's lord will indicate this. In any case, there has been a > > focus > > > on attempting to become free from worldly karmas, either by > > somehow, > > > ignorantly, not doing work, or through spiritual practices.> > > Rahu in the 6th indicates the need to perform the works > > > necessary to be free from all works. The native must perform the > > > activities necessary to improve and manage their material > affairs. > > > These activities are necessary to give the completion that Ketu > > > desires. It is important that the native works in a spirit of > > karma > > > yoga, that human right is for activity, not the results of their > > > activities, else the native suffers from further binding > > attachments, > > > which hinder the realization of Ketu's goals of completion, > > > resolution and transcendence.> > > > > > KETU IN CANCER, RAHU IN CAPRICORN: Ketu in Cancer indicates a > > native > > > who in recent past lives has created security by stabilizing, or > > > controlling their emotions and reactions to the events in life. > > This > > > makes for a more introverted personality, and one more attached > to > > > going inward to find comfort than to tackle things externally in > > > order to create security. There is a tendency to over-control the > > > feelings and reactions, which may cause eruptions or moods to be > > > triggered when the native can no longer take it. It is because > the > > > emotions are controlled, rather than enjoyed with detachment, > that > > > these moods occur. The native needs to learn to allow the > emotions > > to > > > flow freely, to let the feelings feel what they may, without any > > fear > > > of the pain that may be involved with this. The greater the > > emotions > > > and reactions are controlled as a result of what the outer > > > environment brings the more out of control and chaotic the > > external > > > environment will be. Rahu in Capricorn indicates this out of > > control, > > > chaotic outer environment and instability. Through Rahu in > > Capricorn > > > the native learns to create balance and stability in their > > external > > > lives that reflects a balanced internal security. A controlled > > inner > > > security, the security indicated by Ketu in Cancer, is not a > > balanced > > > security, and the imbalances will be revealed by external factors > > > being unstable through Rahu in Capricorn.> > > Rahu in Capricorn also indicates a tendency to fear the many > > > terrible possibilities of the world that are a natural part of > > life. > > > In order to overcome these fears a tendency to overly control the > > > environment arises, which results in nothing but more stress. As > > the > > > native truly becomes secure inwardly, these fears are alleviated.> > > > > > > > > > > > These are so much like Western intepretations for Rahu and Ketu. > > It's > > > these type of interpretations I don't want to read. Ketu is the > > > planet of suffering and loss,and it is the significator for > > > liberation. Ketu in 12th indicates great loss and suffering,but > > it's > > > a good position for mysticism and liberation. Rahu is more the > > > materialistic planet. The ultimate aim is to be highly spiritual > > and > > > achieve liberation. That's not the goal of Rahu. That's the goal > > of > > > Ketu. Western Astrologers put more benefic emphasis on Rahu > > because > > > it's focused more on materialism. I know. I have studied western > > > astrology since 1998,and I have done readings since 1999. I know > > what > > > Western Astrology looks like. In Western Astrology,South Node has > > to > > > do with the past and old habits. North has to do with the future > > and > > > things that we have to learn,and our path for the present life. > > > Wilhelm Ernst's interpretations are typical Western Astrology > > > interpretations for the nodes. In Western Astrology with tropical > > > placidus system, I have North Node in Aquarius in 5th and South > > Node > > > in Leo in 11th.> > > > > > > > > I won't even bother getting his book. Thanks for the suggestion. > I > > > want real Vedic intepretations for Ketu and Rahu.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In vedic astrology, "mahakali108" > > > <mahakali108> wrote:> > > > > > > > hello, > > > > besides the book by prash trivedi on the lunar nodes "the rahu > > ketu > > > > experience", another excellent book on how to interpret the > > nodes > > > in > > > > a chart is "vault of the heavens" by ernst wilhelm, also > > indicating > > > > that the nodes indicate direction of future growth, and past > > > > abilities and experiences. the chapter on the nodes has > material > > > > that i did not find in any other book, other than trivedi's.> > > > kalidas> > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > ....... 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