Rahu and Ketu from the book, LIGHT ON LIFE

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Hi,

 

This is from the book, LIGHT ON LIFE by Hart de Fouw and Robert

Svoboda

 

 

>From what I have studying in Vedic Astrology, I understand that the

Nodes have qualities like the outerplanets that Western Astrologers

give to Uranus,Neptune,and Pluto.

 

I feel that it's probably my Ketu in Cancer in 12th that is the

reason why I relate so much to the psychic emotional

sensitivity,empathy,feelings of victimization,being taken advantage

of,and mysticism of my Pisces Moon square Neptune(1'23 orb) in

western astrology. My Saturn aspecting Ketu in 12th seems to me why I

can relate to Saturn oppose Neptune.

 

My Ketu in 3rd in navamsha seems to be one of the reasons I can

relate to Neptune in 3rd in western astrology.

 

My Moon in Satabisha dispositor, Rahu in 6th in rashi seems to be one

of the reasons I can relate to my Moon and Mars in Aquarius in 6th

house.

 

 

 

 

LIGHT ON LIFE

 

Rahu is like Saturn

 

Ketu is like Mars

 

 

DISEASES

 

Rahu and Ketu rule epidemics, hysteria, insanity, epilepsy,

persistent skin diseases, and conditions resulting from all sorts of

poisons

 

 

DIRECTION

 

Rahu and Ketu rule the southwest

 

 

BODY LIMBS

 

Rahu represents the hands

 

Ketu represents the legs

 

 

CASTES

 

Rahu and Ketu are Mlecchas

 

 

PROFESSIONS

 

Rahu will act like Saturn and Ketu like Mars. In addition, they

indicate professons involving juggling; prestidigitation; immigration

and foreign lands or languages; poisons, alcohol and other

intoxicants; involvement with the masses. Rahu implies some

involvement with occult or psychic knowledge, and Ketu has some

involvement with the pursuit of spiritual knowledge.

 

 

PSYCHOLOGY

 

Rahu - originality, individuality, independence, insight, ingenuity,

inspiration, imagination; OR confusion, escapism, neurosis,

psychosis, deception, addiction, vagueness, illusion, delusion.

 

Ketu - universality, impressionability, idealism, intuition,

compassion, spirituality, self-sacrifice, subtleness; OR

eccentricity, fanaticism, explosiveness, violence, unconventionality,

amorality, iconoclasm, impulsiveness, emotional tension

 

QUALITIES

 

Rahu and Ketu rule Tamas

 

 

 

 

Raymond

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "mahakali108"

<mahakali108> wrote:

>

> dear raymond, david, and all esteemed group members, i had emailed

> ernst wilhelm and prash trivedi on the vedic sources for their

books

> on the nodes as karmix axis, and i would like to share their

replies.

> below is

> 1. the email i sent to wilhelm (trivedi recieved the same email,

> but with a reference to his book title instead, of course)

> 2. trivedi's reply

> 3. wilhelm's reply

>

> i would like to hear anyone's opinion on their replies.

> kalidas

>

> 1.MY EMAIL:

>

> hello,

> i am a member of a large vedic astrology internet forum, and

somehow

> became part of an ongoing discussion on the validity of

interpreting

> the lunar nodes and their dispositors as karmic axis control

points,

> indicating the future direction of ones growth, etc.

>

> i had analized charts given to the forum, at times interpreting the

> nodes in such a manner, and then a western member of the forum

> indicated that he believed such interpretations are westernized,

and

> not true vedic interpretations, and that seeing the nodes as

> indicating what one has done before and what one should do in ones

> current life are simply western interpretations, not vedic.

>

> this led to a heated discussion, and we ended up refering to you

and

> others,as having written books on the subject. (I sparked this off

> by quoting your book).

>

> my questions are, now that i have had to start thinking more about

> it,

> 1. what are the hindu authoritative works that act as the basis for

> intrepreting the nodes as a karmic axis?

> 2. if there is in fact no vedic basis, then how did the medieval

> western astrologers possibly come up with such a concept on their

> own? who did they take it from?

> 3. does the basis for interpreting the nodes as a karmic axis come

> instead from an oral tantric tradition from india?

> 4. basically, what hindu authority did you rely on for your chapter

> on rahu/ketu in your book vault of the heavens?

> 5. since the western astrologers use the karmic axis too, do both

> zodiacs show one's past/future growth/direction, just differently?

>

> i hope this is not a burden on your time, and i and many others

> would greatly appreciate your wisdom on the matter.

>

> om namah shivaya,

>

> kalidas

>

>

>

> 2. TRIVEDI'S REPLY:

>

> hello kali das,

>

> let me startoff by saying that i don't believe in

> this western-eastern division. they have a

> common source which is vedic.

>

>

> 1. what are the hindu authoritative works that act as the basis for

> intrepreting the nodes as a karmic axis?

>

> i did it based on my personal experience using my vedic genepool.

>

> a lot of ancient vedic texts (especially astrological)

> are not available today. even the ones that are available

> now ( like parashara hora shastra) are not present in their

entirity.

>

> one has to rely on ones ancient genetic memory to

> recover the knowledge.

>

> 2. if there is in fact no vedic basis, then how did the medieval

> western astrologers possibly come up with such a concept on their

> own? who

> did they take it from?

>

> the so called medieval western astrologers used a sidereal zodiac.

> they had all the vedic knowledge transmitted through

> the following route

>

> Vedic - Baylonian - Egyptian - Greek - Roman

>

> in fact lot of the knowledge which was known in

> middle ages is secret now.

>

> 3. does the basis for interpreting the nodes as a karmic axis come

> instead from an oral tantric tradition from india?

>

> all the puranic stories point towards it in a

> pretty straightforward manner.

>

> everyone confronts their rahu-ketu axis.

> even vishnu got his head severed off once for

> paying off for the initial cutting of the

> swarbhanus head.

>

> there is a lot more to it on a galactic level relating

> to seperation of gemini (antigalactic center) - sagittarius

> ( galactic center) as signs

> but that would take a whole book in itself

> to explain.

>

> 4. basically, what hindu authority did you rely on for your book

> rahu/ketu experience?

>

> i relied on puranas and my experience and intuition.

> my brahminic genepool ( from sage bharadwaja's gotra)

> has all the knowledge memory of the original astrological knowledge.

> thats the only book one can rely on.

>

> 5. since the western astrologers use the karmic axis too, do both

> zodiacs show one's past/future growth/direction, just differently?

>

> western system has a wrong zodiac. it is a trick played on

> them by their founders ( who knew better)so that they grope in the

> dark.

>

> om sri durgaye namah,

>

> prash

>

>

> 3. WILHELM'S REPLY:

>

> Dear Kali Das,

> thank you for thinking of me with your questions. First of

all,

> medievil western astrologers did not use the nodes, nodes are a

> recent import from Hindu astrologers. Even Brihat Jataka, which is

> largely based on yavanajataka, does not mention the nodes, which is

> quite surprising.

>

> There is very little even in Brihat Parashara bout the nodes. In

> BPHS he gives the most important things about the grahas first, he

> starts with giving the self qualaties Sun as atman, Moon as Manas,

> etc - Rahu and Ketu are not given a self quality though authors

> after Parashara tried coming up with stuff which does not work,

some

> of which I had put in Vault of the Heavens which I no longer hold

> true. T

>

> Next BPHS gives the different aspects of the people of the kingdom,

> SUn and Moon are the royal planets, Mars the general, etc. Here we

> get that Rahu and Ketu are the army, so the most important thing

> about Rahu and Ketu is that they are the army. SO we have to study

> the army to arrive at what Rahu and Ketu are responsible. Ketu

means

> flag, and in all cultures a flag or some similiar standard always

> marked the established territory, we can look at this as what was

> most established in a person, which means it was most established

in

> past life. All the Grahas reveal the results of one's previous

> Karmas, Ketu just shows where we have been the most established.

> Even Rahu shows the results of our past karmas - what we have to do

> as a result of our past karmas. Ketu, being the flag, is the army

> that maintains the fort, protects the occupied territories,

protects

> the king, etc. Rahu rules the army that seeks to expand the kingdom

> beyond its present boundaries, thus Rahu rules all things foriegn,

> all new things, all unexperienced things, the way soldiers march

> into a new territory not knowing what to expect.

>

> As far as the western astrologers using the same technique with a

> different zodiac, that is the big question, isn't it? Which zodiac

> is correct? Modern hindu astrology and western astrology have the

> same roots, ancient greek texts have some similiarities to some of

> the sanskrit texts, though the sanksrit texts are so much more

> profound and filled with much more information. BUt if we study

> ancient texts in respect to the sidereal or tropical zodiac, there

> is a lot of information that points out to the tropical zodiac

being

> the correct or that the old astrologers had no idea of precession.

> Even Varahamihira in his panchasiddhantika states that Aries rasi

> begins at the vernal equinox and reading his texts make one think

he

> did not know about precession. We see the same problem in the

Srimad

> Bhagavatam where it relates the signs of the zodiac to the tropics

> but then relates the nakshatras to the tropics as well, so the

> current version of the srimad Bhagavatam that we have was also

> unaware of precession. Araybhatia also relates the zodiac signs to

> the tropics. The more a person studies the ancient texts, the more

> questions arise. The Hindus have definetely made several

calculation

> errors in the past 1500 years, some of which I point out in my

> Muhurta book. THe most significant is that of the Sankrantis, which

> according to the Surya SIddhanta are meant to be done tropically.

> Sri Yuktesvar also pointed this mistake out over 100 years ago, the

> astrologers of his day would not listen, but the Indian Government

> adopted the tropical Sankrantis as correct in the 1950's but still

> none of the astrologers follow it and still at this time all the

> Hindus are celebrating the Sun begining its northern movement on

> Jan. 14 not realizing that the Sun has been moving north since Dec

> 21 when the Sun was at 0 tropical capricorn. The correct zodiac is

a

> very unclear proposition and we should not be quick to judge the

> western astrologer nor the western astrologer the Hindu astrologer.

>

> Jai Rama,

> Ernst