Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Anurag, It is the same for both Male & Female charts. That is 5th house counted direct for Odd lagnas. Since odd/even are also male/female, i think(!), 9th(5th counted in the reverse) is the controlling house in a female chart. Probably, this is what makes you to raise the question. regards viswanadham vedic astrology, "anuraagsharma27" <anuraagsharma27@h...> wrote: > > Dear Viswanadham, > > Thank you. The query is not about the Maraka status of the 10th and > Grahas therein. That much is clear, just as the 6th is the Maraka > for male Saptamshas. > > The query is that if an even Lagna rises in a female Saptamsha, then > which is the first house for the individual pregnancies. Generally, > Sanjay Ji says that the 9th House is the controlling Bhava for > female Saptamsha. In case of even Lagna, would it become the 5th > from the Lagna? Or is it that even though the 9th is the controlling > Bhava for individual pregnancies in Stri Jatak Saptamsha, the > reckoning of the first house would merely be contingent on the Rashi > rising in Saptamsha Lagna and the controlling Bhava factor would be > relegated to the background? > > Regards. > Anurag. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Namaste Sharma Ji, Sorry to intervene in between. Let me share what I understand and I would be more than happy if Rao Garu or any esteemed Guru's correct me if I am wrong. The controlling house for children in case of Males is 5th house in Saptamsa and 9th house for Females. That indicates the general possibility of progeny or any problems whatsoever. So even before you reckon the first child or second child based on the principles given below by Rao Garu, you should first look at 5th house/ Strength of 5th Lord for Males and 9th house / Strength of 9th Lord for Females for happiness related to Children in general. And the 5th or 9th lord is a zodiacal count no matter whether the ascendant is odd or even. Let me know if you need more details and I will be more than happy to share whatever little I know. Regards, Sai anuraagsharma27 <anuraagsharma27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Mr. Nemani,Thank you for your response. Actually, this is standard practice. My query was how would it be applied in a female nativity in view of the fact that the 9th House is the controlling Bhava in Saptamsha for progeny.Regards.Anurag.vedic astrology, "Raghunatha Rao Nemani" <raon1008> wrote:> > Om Krishna Guru> > Namaste Sharma Ji,> > Let me attempt to give my understanding and corrected by Gurus if I> am wrong.> > I take the Saptamsa Lagna and follow these princples to see the firt > child:-> > 1) If the Lagna is Even, then take 5th reverse from the D-7 Lagna.> 2) If the Lagna is Odd, then take 5th forward from the D-7 Lagna.> > Hope this may be helpful to you.> > Regards> Raghunatha Rao> > > vedic astrology, "anuraagsharma27" > <anuraagsharma27@h...> wrote:> > > > Dear Members,> > > > In view of Sanjay Ji's instructions that in Saptamsha, the 9th > House > > is the controlling Bhava for progeny in female horoscopy and thus > > the 10th Bhava becomes the primary Maraka, how is the counting for > > individual pregnancies to be done if an even sign rises in > Saptamsha > > Chakra?> > > > Does the counting begin from the 5th from Lagna in such a case?> > > > Thank you.> > > > Anurag Sharma.Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Dear Bharat, If I may intervene, Look at 9th in female chart in Rasi chart. For Saptamsha follow irregular count to 5th for odd Rasis and reverse count for Even signs for both male and female. Chandrashekhar. Bharat Vyas wrote: Dear Rao Sahab and Others: I have this doubt regarding saptamasha. I do follow what you have suggested but i have also read that for female charts we go reverse and for male chart we go forward. We also have rule based on even or odd signs of D7 lagna. Hence i have question which rule should be given preference. For example if its an odd sign and female chart do we still go forward or we go reverse cause its female chart. Plz enlighten. Hare Krishna Bharat On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:23:51 -0000, Raghunatha Rao Nemani <raon1008 > wrote: > > > Om Krishna Guru > > Namaste Sharma Ji, > > Let me attempt to give my understanding and corrected by Gurus if I > am wrong. > > I take the Saptamsa Lagna and follow these princples to see the firt > child:- > > 1) If the Lagna is Even, then take 5th reverse from the D-7 Lagna. > 2) If the Lagna is Odd, then take 5th forward from the D-7 Lagna. > > Hope this may be helpful to you. > > Regards > Raghunatha Rao > > vedic astrology, "anuraagsharma27" > <anuraagsharma27@h...> wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > > > In view of Sanjay Ji's instructions that in Saptamsha, the 9th > House > > is the controlling Bhava for progeny in female horoscopy and thus > > the 10th Bhava becomes the primary Maraka, how is the counting for > > individual pregnancies to be done if an even sign rises in > Saptamsha > > Chakra? > > > > Does the counting begin from the 5th from Lagna in such a case? > > > > Thank you. > > > > Anurag Sharma. > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > Links > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 --- so for clarification, for GENERAL overall indications, we look at the 5th house in rashi for children, in both male and female charts, and we look at 5th in saptamsha for male charts, and 9th in saptamsha in female charts, again, for overall indications of children, ... but, to look at INDIVIDUAL births, we start from the 5th in saptamsha for odd saptamsha lagnas, regardless of male or female chart(and then count zodiacilly every other house), and from the 9th in saptamsha for even saptamsha lagnas (and then count anti- zodiacilly. every other house), again, regardles of male or female chart. that is my understanding. is that correct? also, i understand that there are occasions when one has to actually skip a house and take the next one right next to it instead, so when exactly does that happen? kalidas In vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46> wrote: > Dear Bharat, > If I may intervene, Look at 9th in female chart in Rasi chart. For > Saptamsha follow irregular count to 5th for odd Rasis and reverse count > for Even signs for both male and female. > Chandrashekhar. > > Bharat Vyas wrote: > > > Dear Rao Sahab and Others: > > > > I have this doubt regarding saptamasha. > > > > I do follow what you have suggested but i have also read that for > > female charts we go reverse and for male chart we go forward. We also > > have rule based on even or odd signs of D7 lagna. Hence i have > > question which rule should be given preference. For example if its an > > odd sign and female chart do we still go forward or we go reverse > > cause its female chart. Plz enlighten. > > > > Hare Krishna > > > > Bharat > > > > > > On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:23:51 -0000, Raghunatha Rao Nemani > > <raon1008> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Om Krishna Guru > > > > > > Namaste Sharma Ji, > > > > > > Let me attempt to give my understanding and corrected by Gurus if I > > > am wrong. > > > > > > I take the Saptamsa Lagna and follow these princples to see the firt > > > child:- > > > > > > 1) If the Lagna is Even, then take 5th reverse from the D-7 Lagna. > > > 2) If the Lagna is Odd, then take 5th forward from the D-7 Lagna. > > > > > > Hope this may be helpful to you. > > > > > > Regards > > > Raghunatha Rao > > > > > > vedic astrology, "anuraagsharma27" > > > <anuraagsharma27@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > In view of Sanjay Ji's instructions that in Saptamsha, the 9th > > > House > > > > is the controlling Bhava for progeny in female horoscopy and thus > > > > the 10th Bhava becomes the primary Maraka, how is the counting for > > > > individual pregnancies to be done if an even sign rises in > > > Saptamsha > > > > Chakra? > > > > > > > > Does the counting begin from the 5th from Lagna in such a case? > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > Anurag Sharma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > * Sponsor* > > > > > > > > -------------------------------- ------- > > * Links* > > > > * > > vedic astrology/ > > > > * > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology? subject=Un> > > > > * Terms of > > Service <>. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Bharat, Narasimhaji in his lectures clarified that while 5H are 9H are the primary houses of progeny for males and females respectively, when it comes to checking the sequence of children in D7, the principle mentioned by Rao would hold good for both male and female natives. Kind regards Ramesh Bharat Vyas [bharatvyas] Wednesday, February 16, 2005 1:43 PM vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Stri Jatak Saptamsha Clarification Dear Rao Sahab and Others: I have this doubt regarding saptamasha. I do follow what you have suggested but i have also read that for female charts we go reverse and for male chart we go forward. We also have rule based on even or odd signs of D7 lagna. Hence i have question which rule should be given preference. For example if its an odd sign and female chart do we still go forward or we go reverse cause its female chart. Plz enlighten. Hare Krishna Bharat On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:23:51 -0000, Raghunatha Rao Nemani <raon1008 wrote: > > > Om Krishna Guru > > Namaste Sharma Ji, > > Let me attempt to give my understanding and corrected by Gurus if I > am wrong. > > I take the Saptamsa Lagna and follow these princples to see the firt > child:- > > 1) If the Lagna is Even, then take 5th reverse from the D-7 Lagna. > 2) If the Lagna is Odd, then take 5th forward from the D-7 Lagna. > > Hope this may be helpful to you. > > Regards > Raghunatha Rao > > vedic astrology, "anuraagsharma27" > <anuraagsharma27@h...> wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > > > In view of Sanjay Ji's instructions that in Saptamsha, the 9th > House > > is the controlling Bhava for progeny in female horoscopy and thus > > the 10th Bhava becomes the primary Maraka, how is the counting for > > individual pregnancies to be done if an even sign rises in > Saptamsha > > Chakra? > > > > Does the counting begin from the 5th from Lagna in such a case? > > > > Thank you. > > > > Anurag Sharma. > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > Links > > > > > Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Dear Saikumar, Does "Stree Jataka" say that? I would be obliged if you could give me shlokas from that text giving applicability of 5th and 9th house in Saptamsha, in the way suggested by you. Chandrashekhar. saikumar wrote: Hare Rama Krishna Namaste Sharma Ji, Sorry to intervene in between. Let me share what I understand and I would be more than happy if Rao Garu or any esteemed Guru's correct me if I am wrong. The controlling house for children in case of Males is 5th house in Saptamsa and 9th house for Females. That indicates the general possibility of progeny or any problems whatsoever. So even before you reckon the first child or second child based on the principles given below by Rao Garu, you should first look at 5th house/ Strength of 5th Lord for Males and 9th house / Strength of 9th Lord for Females for happiness related to Children in general. And the 5th or 9th lord is a zodiacal count no matter whether the ascendant is odd or even. Let me know if you need more details and I will be more than happy to share whatever little I know. Regards, Sai anuraagsharma27 <anuraagsharma27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Mr. Nemani, Thank you for your response. Actually, this is standard practice. My query was how would it be applied in a female nativity in view of the fact that the 9th House is the controlling Bhava in Saptamsha for progeny. Regards. Anurag. vedic astrology, "Raghunatha Rao Nemani" <raon1008> wrote: > > Om Krishna Guru > > Namaste Sharma Ji, > > Let me attempt to give my understanding and corrected by Gurus if I > am wrong. > > I take the Saptamsa Lagna and follow these princples to see the firt > child:- > > 1) If the Lagna is Even, then take 5th reverse from the D-7 Lagna. > 2) If the Lagna is Odd, then take 5th forward from the D-7 Lagna. > > Hope this may be helpful to you. > > Regards > Raghunatha Rao > > > vedic astrology, "anuraagsharma27" > <anuraagsharma27@h...> wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > > > In view of Sanjay Ji's instructions that in Saptamsha, the 9th > House > > is the controlling Bhava for progeny in female horoscopy and thus > > the 10th Bhava becomes the primary Maraka, how is the counting for > > individual pregnancies to be done if an even sign rises in > Saptamsha > > Chakra? > > > > Does the counting begin from the 5th from Lagna in such a case? > > > > Thank you. > > > > Anurag Sharma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Dear Bharat, Please read regular count for Odd signs in the message. Sorry for the typographical error. Chandrashekhar. Chandrashekhar wrote: Dear Bharat, If I may intervene, Look at 9th in female chart in Rasi chart. For Saptamsha follow irregular count to 5th for odd Rasis and reverse count for Even signs for both male and female. Chandrashekhar. Bharat Vyas wrote: Dear Rao Sahab and Others: I have this doubt regarding saptamasha. I do follow what you have suggested but i have also read that for female charts we go reverse and for male chart we go forward. We also have rule based on even or odd signs of D7 lagna. Hence i have question which rule should be given preference. For example if its an odd sign and female chart do we still go forward or we go reverse cause its female chart. Plz enlighten. Hare Krishna Bharat On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:23:51 -0000, Raghunatha Rao Nemani <raon1008 > wrote: > > > Om Krishna Guru > > Namaste Sharma Ji, > > Let me attempt to give my understanding and corrected by Gurus if I > am wrong. > > I take the Saptamsa Lagna and follow these princples to see the firt > child:- > > 1) If the Lagna is Even, then take 5th reverse from the D-7 Lagna. > 2) If the Lagna is Odd, then take 5th forward from the D-7 Lagna. > > Hope this may be helpful to you. > > Regards > Raghunatha Rao > > vedic astrology, "anuraagsharma27" > <anuraagsharma27@h...> wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > > > In view of Sanjay Ji's instructions that in Saptamsha, the 9th > House > > is the controlling Bhava for progeny in female horoscopy and thus > > the 10th Bhava becomes the primary Maraka, how is the counting for > > individual pregnancies to be done if an even sign rises in > Saptamsha > > Chakra? > > > > Does the counting begin from the 5th from Lagna in such a case? > > > > Thank you. > > > > Anurag Sharma. > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > Links > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 My explanation was based on what I learned at SJC. I did not read Stree Jataka. Pardon me if I had given that impression, as though I was quoting from Sree Jataka. Regards, SaiChandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Saikumar,Does "Stree Jataka" say that? I would be obliged if you could give me shlokas from that text giving applicability of 5th and 9th house in Saptamsha, in the way suggested by you.Chandrashekhar.saikumar wrote: Hare Rama Krishna Namaste Sharma Ji, Sorry to intervene in between. Let me share what I understand and I would be more than happy if Rao Garu or any esteemed Guru's correct me if I am wrong. The controlling house for children in case of Males is 5th house in Saptamsa and 9th house for Females. That indicates the general possibility of progeny or any problems whatsoever. So even before you reckon the first child or second child based on the principles given below by Rao Garu, you should first look at 5th house/ Strength of 5th Lord for Males and 9th house / Strength of 9th Lord for Females for happiness related to Children in general. And the 5th or 9th lord is a zodiacal count no matter whether the ascendant is odd or even. Let me know if you need more details and I will be more than happy to share whatever little I know. Regards, Sai anuraagsharma27 <anuraagsharma27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Mr. Nemani,Thank you for your response. Actually, this is standard practice. My query was how would it be applied in a female nativity in view of the fact that the 9th House is the controlling Bhava in Saptamsha for progeny.Regards.Anurag.vedic astrology, "Raghunatha Rao Nemani" <raon1008> wrote:> > Om Krishna Guru> > Namaste Sharma Ji,> > Let me attempt to give my understanding and corrected by Gurus if I> am wrong.> > I take the Saptamsa Lagna and follow these princples to see the firt > child:-> > 1) If the Lagna is Even, then take 5th reverse from the D-7 Lagna.> 2) If the Lagna is Odd, then take 5th forward from the D-7 Lagna.> > Hope this may be helpful to you.> > Regards> Raghunatha Rao> > > vedic astrology, "anuraagsharma27" > <anuraagsharma27@h...> wrote:> > > > Dear Members,> > > > In view of Sanjay Ji's instructions that in Saptamsha, the 9th > House > > is the controlling Bhava for progeny in female horoscopy and thus > > the 10th Bhava becomes the primary Maraka, how is the counting for > > individual pregnancies to be done if an even sign rises in > Saptamsha > > Chakra?> > > > Does the counting begin from the 5th from Lagna in such a case?> > > > Thank you.> > > > Anurag Sharma.Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... The all-new My – Get yours free! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2005 Report Share Posted February 19, 2005 Dear Saikumar, I thought so. However, you need not seek pardon. You have only given your point of view. Chandrashekhar. saikumar wrote: Namasthe Chandrashekhar Ji, My explanation was based on what I learned at SJC. I did not read Stree Jataka. Pardon me if I had given that impression, as though I was quoting from Sree Jataka. Regards, Sai Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Saikumar, Does "Stree Jataka" say that? I would be obliged if you could give me shlokas from that text giving applicability of 5th and 9th house in Saptamsha, in the way suggested by you. Chandrashekhar. saikumar wrote: Hare Rama Krishna Namaste Sharma Ji, Sorry to intervene in between. Let me share what I understand and I would be more than happy if Rao Garu or any esteemed Guru's correct me if I am wrong. The controlling house for children in case of Males is 5th house in Saptamsa and 9th house for Females. That indicates the general possibility of progeny or any problems whatsoever. So even before you reckon the first child or second child based on the principles given below by Rao Garu, you should first look at 5th house/ Strength of 5th Lord for Males and 9th house / Strength of 9th Lord for Females for happiness related to Children in general. And the 5th or 9th lord is a zodiacal count no matter whether the ascendant is odd or even. Let me know if you need more details and I will be more than happy to share whatever little I know. Regards, Sai anuraagsharma27 <anuraagsharma27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Mr. Nemani, Thank you for your response. Actually, this is standard practice. My query was how would it be applied in a female nativity in view of the fact that the 9th House is the controlling Bhava in Saptamsha for progeny. Regards. Anurag. vedic astrology, "Raghunatha Rao Nemani" <raon1008> wrote: > > Om Krishna Guru > > Namaste Sharma Ji, > > Let me attempt to give my understanding and corrected by Gurus if I > am wrong. > > I take the Saptamsa Lagna and follow these princples to see the firt > child:- > > 1) If the Lagna is Even, then take 5th reverse from the D-7 Lagna. > 2) If the Lagna is Odd, then take 5th forward from the D-7 Lagna. > > Hope this may be helpful to you. > > Regards > Raghunatha Rao > > > vedic astrology, "anuraagsharma27" > <anuraagsharma27@h...> wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > > > In view of Sanjay Ji's instructions that in Saptamsha, the 9th > House > > is the controlling Bhava for progeny in female horoscopy and thus > > the 10th Bhava becomes the primary Maraka, how is the counting for > > individual pregnancies to be done if an even sign rises in > Saptamsha > > Chakra? > > > > Does the counting begin from the 5th from Lagna in such a case? > > > > Thank you. > > > > Anurag Sharma. The all-new My – Get yours free! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 vedic astrology, "Shailaja Naik" <m_shailaja@r...> wrote: > Learned members & gurus, > I was reading this discussion. I have one doubt. > If we skip one house and count the next. I mean 3rd from 5th or 9th house - is empty. What does it mean? > Can I have more detail about this saptamsa If you can get any document. Harih Om Then You trat this empty house as Lagna of particular child, if You want to know sex of child take the Lord and see the association/sign. On www.srath.com there is one article. with respect, Rafal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 Jaya color:navy"> Jagannatha 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Dear Chandrashekharji et al, 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I thought this might be interesting with reference to Jataka Bharnam, Chapter 50 pg 811. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">From the natal Ascendant and the Moon ascendant is considered the woman’s whole body and from the 7th house, from these effects, obtained by her husband. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">From the 5th, those relating to her issues and fro the 8th house those causing widowhood (ie., the 8th from the 7th, which is the 2nd House). 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">So the 5th from the Moon is also considered if the Moon is stronger than the Lagna. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I hope this also helps Anurag Sharma. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Love, 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Swee 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> color:windowtext"> Chandrashekhar [chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Friday, February 18, 2005 9:30 PM vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Stri Jatak Saptamsha Clarification Dear Bharat, Please read regular count for Odd signs in the message. Sorry for the typographical error. Chandrashekhar. Chandrashekhar wrote: Dear Bharat, If I may intervene, Look at 9th in female chart in Rasi chart. For Saptamsha follow irregular count to 5th for odd Rasis and reverse count for Even signs for both male and female. Chandrashekhar. Bharat Vyas wrote: Dear Rao Sahab and Others: I have this doubt regarding saptamasha. I do follow what you have suggested but i have also read that for female charts we go reverse and for male chart we go forward. We also have rule based on even or odd signs of D7 lagna. Hence i have question which rule should be given preference. For example if its an odd sign and female chart do we still go forward or we go reverse cause its female chart. Plz enlighten. Hare Krishna Bharat On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:23:51 -0000, Raghunatha Rao Nemani <raon1008 > wrote: > > > Om Krishna Guru > > Namaste Sharma Ji, > > Let me attempt to give my understanding and corrected by Gurus if I > am wrong. > > I take the Saptamsa Lagna and follow these princples to see the firt > child:- > > 1) If the Lagna is Even, then take 5th reverse from the D-7 Lagna. > 2) If the Lagna is Odd, then take 5th forward from the D-7 Lagna. > > Hope this may be helpful to you. > > Regards > Raghunatha Rao > > vedic astrology, "anuraagsharma27" > <anuraagsharma27@h...> wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > > > In view of Sanjay Ji's instructions that in Saptamsha, the 9th > House > > is the controlling Bhava for progeny in female horoscopy and thus > > the 10th Bhava becomes the primary Maraka, how is the counting for > > individual pregnancies to be done if an even sign rises in > Saptamsha > > Chakra? > > > > Does the counting begin from the 5th from Lagna in such a case? > > > > Thank you. > > > > Anurag Sharma. > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ........ > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > Links > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Archives: vedic astrology || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Archives: vedic astrology To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 Dear Swee, Thank you for the input. In Pt. Sanjay Rath's Commnetary on MJUS, the 9th Bhava from Rashi Lagna is taken for female charts and then reversed for even Lagnas. This to add to the Saptamsha situation where the dominant opinion seems to be that despite the 9th being the controling Bhava for women, if it is an odd Lagna in D-7, the 5th is still the prime house. My questions stand. I use the 5th for both male and female charts in Rashi Chakra but MJUS commentary of Pt. Rath instills some doubt whether this is the correct appraoch. When Sanjay Ji uses a technique, I am more inclined to follow it. So now the question arises whether in the Rashi Chakra also, the house in female charts would be dependent on Lagna rising. In COVA, the counting is contingent on AL and not on Lagna for siblings etc. Perhaps Sanjay Ji might clarify it. For me, as of now: 1. I will use 5th in rashi chakra and from Moon for female charts. 2. The 9th will be the controlling Bhava in Saptamsha. 3. For individual pregnancies, I will use the Lagna rising in D-7. Perhaps if Sanjay Ji clarifies about the examples in his MJUS, the position about Lagna and counting in Rashi chart will become clear. Thank you. Anurag. vedic astrology, "Swee Chan" <swee@c...> wrote: > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Chandrashekharji et al, > > I thought this might be interesting with reference to Jataka Bharnam, > Chapter 50 pg 811. > > From the natal Ascendant and the Moon ascendant is considered the woman's > whole body and from the 7th house, from these effects, obtained by her > husband. > From the 5th, those relating to her issues and fro the 8th house those > causing widowhood (ie., the 8th from the 7th, which is the 2nd House). > > So the 5th from the Moon is also considered if the Moon is stronger than the > Lagna. > > I hope this also helps Anurag Sharma. > > Love, > > Swee > > _____ > > Chandrashekhar [chandrashekhar46] > Friday, February 18, 2005 9:30 PM > vedic astrology > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Stri Jatak Saptamsha Clarification > > Dear Bharat, > Please read regular count for Odd signs in the message. Sorry for the > typographical error. > Chandrashekhar. > > Chandrashekhar wrote: > Dear Bharat, > If I may intervene, Look at 9th in female chart in Rasi chart. For > Saptamsha follow irregular count to 5th for odd Rasis and reverse count for > Even signs for both male and female. > Chandrashekhar. > > Bharat Vyas wrote: > Dear Rao Sahab and Others: > > I have this doubt regarding saptamasha. > > I do follow what you have suggested but i have also read that for > female charts we go reverse and for male chart we go forward. We also > have rule based on even or odd signs of D7 lagna. Hence i have > question which rule should be given preference. For example if its an > odd sign and female chart do we still go forward or we go reverse > cause its female chart. Plz enlighten. > > Hare Krishna > > Bharat > > > On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:23:51 -0000, Raghunatha Rao Nemani > <raon1008> <raon1008> wrote: > > > > > > Om Krishna Guru > > > > Namaste Sharma Ji, > > > > Let me attempt to give my understanding and corrected by Gurus if I > > am wrong. > > > > I take the Saptamsa Lagna and follow these princples to see the firt > > child:- > > > > 1) If the Lagna is Even, then take 5th reverse from the D-7 Lagna. > > 2) If the Lagna is Odd, then take 5th forward from the D-7 Lagna. > > > > Hope this may be helpful to you. > > > > Regards > > Raghunatha Rao > > > > vedic astrology, "anuraagsharma27" > > <anuraagsharma27@h...> <anuraagsharma27@h...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > In view of Sanjay Ji's instructions that in Saptamsha, the 9th > > House > > > is the controlling Bhava for progeny in female horoscopy and thus > > > the 10th Bhava becomes the primary Maraka, how is the counting for > > > individual pregnancies to be done if an even sign rises in > > Saptamsha > > > Chakra? > > > > > > Does the counting begin from the 5th from Lagna in such a case? > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > Anurag Sharma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > _____ > > Links > * > vedic astrology/ > > * > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology? subject=Un> > > * Terms of Service > <> . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">Jaya normal;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold"> Jagannatha normal"> font-family:"URW Palladio IT";font-weight:normal;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold"> normal"> font-family:"URW Palladio IT";font-weight:normal;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">Dear Anurag, bold"> mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">Namaste normal;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold"> normal"> font-family:"URW Palladio IT""> normal"> font-family:"URW Palladio IT"">The following is an excerpt from Sanjay Rath’s JMUS, page 316 normal"> font-family:"URW Palladio IT""> normal"> font-family:"URW Palladio IT"">Text 3.4.3 Aaxn ipt& ley me;a>. font-family:"URW Palladio IT"">Ädhana pitå leya mesäù || "URW Palladio IT""> 12.0pt">Ädhana = 61/12 = 1; pitå ; leya= 13/12 = 1; mesäù = 65/12 = 5 Translation mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">Fertility and conception are seen from the first and fifth houses. Purport "MS Mincho""> bold">The first and fifth house from Arudha Lagna and in addition from the lagna/Saptamsa also can be examined for confirming fertility and conception (stanza 1.4.23-31). bold"> bold">It is very clear, isn’t it? Also consider the Arudhas as suggested in the book. As for saptamsa, follow Chandrashekharji’s instructions. Regular count for Odd Saptamsa Rasi……….and the other rules also apply for male/female planets and male/female rasis. bold"> bold">Best wishes, bold"> bold">Swee 10.0pt"> 10.0pt"> anuraagsharma27 [anuraagsharma27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com] Tuesday, February 22, 2005 7:58 PM vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Re: Stri Jatak Saptamsha Clarification 10.0pt"> 10.0pt"> 10.0pt"> 10.0pt">Dear Swee, 10.0pt"> 10.0pt">Thank you for the input. 10.0pt"> 10.0pt">In Pt. Sanjay Rath's Commnetary on MJUS, the 9th Bhava from Rashi 10.0pt">Lagna is taken for female charts and then reversed for even Lagnas. 10.0pt">This to add to the Saptamsha situation where the dominant opinion 10.0pt">seems to be that despite the 9th being the controling Bhava for 10.0pt">women, if it is an odd Lagna in D-7, the 5th is still the prime house. 10.0pt"> 10.0pt">My questions stand. 10.0pt"> 10.0pt">I use the 5th for both male and female charts in Rashi Chakra but 10.0pt">MJUS commentary of Pt. Rath instills some doubt whether this is the 10.0pt">correct appraoch. When Sanjay Ji uses a technique, I am more inclined 10.0pt">to follow it. 10.0pt"> 10.0pt">So now the question arises whether in the Rashi Chakra also, the 10.0pt">house in female charts would be dependent on Lagna rising. In COVA, 10.0pt">the counting is contingent on AL and not on Lagna for siblings etc. 10.0pt"> 10.0pt">Perhaps Sanjay Ji might clarify it. 10.0pt"> 10.0pt">For me, as of now: 10.0pt">1. I will use 5th in rashi chakra and from Moon for female charts. 10.0pt">2. The 9th will be the controlling Bhava in Saptamsha. 10.0pt">3. For individual pregnancies, I will use the Lagna rising in D-7. 10.0pt"> 10.0pt">Perhaps if Sanjay Ji clarifies about the examples in his MJUS, the 10.0pt">position about Lagna and counting in Rashi chart will become clear. 10.0pt"> 10.0pt">Thank you. 10.0pt"> 10.0pt">Anurag. 10.0pt"> 10.0pt"> 10.0pt"> 10.0pt"> 10.0pt"> 10.0pt"> 10.0pt"> 10.0pt"> 10.0pt"> 10.0pt"> 10.0pt">vedic astrology, "Swee Chan" <swee@c...> wrote: 10.0pt">> Jaya Jagannatha 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> Dear Chandrashekharji et al, 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> I thought this might be interesting with reference to Jataka 10.0pt">Bharnam, 10.0pt">> Chapter 50 pg 811. 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> From the natal Ascendant and the Moon ascendant is considered the 10.0pt">woman's 10.0pt">> whole body and from the 7th house, from these effects, obtained by 10.0pt">her 10.0pt">> husband. 10.0pt">> From the 5th, those relating to her issues and fro the 8th house 10.0pt">those 10.0pt">> causing widowhood (ie., the 8th from the 7th, which is the 2nd 10.0pt">House). 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> So the 5th from the Moon is also considered if the Moon is stronger 10.0pt">than the 10.0pt">> Lagna. 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> I hope this also helps Anurag Sharma. 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> Love, 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> Swee 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> _____ 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> Chandrashekhar [chandrashekhar46] 10.0pt">> Friday, February 18, 2005 9:30 PM 10.0pt">> vedic astrology 10.0pt">> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Stri Jatak Saptamsha 10.0pt">Clarification 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> Dear Bharat, 10.0pt">> Please read regular count for Odd signs in the message. Sorry for 10.0pt">the 10.0pt">> typographical error. 10.0pt">> Chandrashekhar. 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> Chandrashekhar wrote: 10.0pt">> Dear Bharat, 10.0pt">> If I may intervene, Look at 9th in female chart in Rasi chart. For 10.0pt">> Saptamsha follow irregular count to 5th for odd Rasis and reverse 10.0pt">count for 10.0pt">> Even signs for both male and female. 10.0pt">> Chandrashekhar. 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> Bharat Vyas wrote: 10.0pt">> Dear Rao Sahab and Others: 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> I have this doubt regarding saptamasha. 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> I do follow what you have suggested but i have also read that for 10.0pt">> female charts we go reverse and for male chart we go forward. We 10.0pt">also 10.0pt">> have rule based on even or odd signs of D7 lagna. Hence i have 10.0pt">> question which rule should be given preference. For example if its 10.0pt">an 10.0pt">> odd sign and female chart do we still go forward or we go reverse 10.0pt">> cause its female chart. Plz enlighten. 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> Hare Krishna 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> Bharat 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:23:51 -0000, Raghunatha Rao Nemani 10.0pt">> <raon1008> <raon1008> wrote: 10.0pt">> > 10.0pt">> > 10.0pt">> > Om Krishna Guru 10.0pt">> > 10.0pt">> > Namaste Sharma Ji, 10.0pt">> > 10.0pt">> > Let me attempt to give my understanding and corrected by Gurus if 10.0pt">I 10.0pt">> > am wrong. 10.0pt">> > 10.0pt">> > I take the Saptamsa Lagna and follow these princples to see the 10.0pt">firt 10.0pt">> > child:- 10.0pt">> > 10.0pt">> > 1) If the Lagna is Even, then take 5th reverse from the D-7 Lagna. 10.0pt">> > 2) If the Lagna is Odd, then take 5th forward from the D-7 Lagna. 10.0pt">> > 10.0pt">> > Hope this may be helpful to you. 10.0pt">> > 10.0pt">> > Regards 10.0pt">> > Raghunatha Rao 10.0pt">> > 10.0pt">> > vedic astrology, "anuraagsharma27" 10.0pt">> > <anuraagsharma27@h...> <anuraagsharma27@h...> wrote: 10.0pt">> > > 10.0pt">> > > Dear Members, 10.0pt">> > > 10.0pt">> > > In view of Sanjay Ji's instructions that in Saptamsha, the 9th 10.0pt">> > House 10.0pt">> > > is the controlling Bhava for progeny in female horoscopy and 10.0pt">thus 10.0pt">> > > the 10th Bhava becomes the primary Maraka, how is the counting 10.0pt">for 10.0pt">> > > individual pregnancies to be done if an even sign rises in 10.0pt">> > Saptamsha 10.0pt">> > > Chakra? 10.0pt">> > > 10.0pt">> > > Does the counting begin from the 5th from Lagna in such a case? 10.0pt">> > > 10.0pt">> > > Thank you. 10.0pt">> > > 10.0pt">> > > Anurag Sharma. 10.0pt">> > 10.0pt">> > 10.0pt">> > 10.0pt">> > 10.0pt">> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html 10.0pt">> > 10.0pt">> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- 10.0pt"> 10.0pt">> > 10.0pt">> > ....... 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Guest guest Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 Dear Swee, That is right. One has any way to look at from, between stronger of Moon, Lagna and according to some Sun, the Bhavas needing one's attention. However Stree Jataka states that for a female 9th represents her progeny. This might have to do with the reproductive system difference in Men and Women. 8th for ladies is called as Mangalya Sthana, that is why affliction to it indicates widowhood. Love, Chandrashekhar. Swee Chan wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} ..shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} Clean Clean DocumentEmail false false false MicrosoftInternetExplorer4 st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language:#0400; mso-fareast-language:#0400; mso-bidi-language:#0400;} Jaya Jagannatha Dear Chandrashekharji et al, I thought this might be interesting with reference to Jataka Bharnam, Chapter 50 pg 811. >From the natal Ascendant and the Moon ascendant is considered the woman’s whole body and from the 7th house, from these effects, obtained by her husband. >From the 5th, those relating to her issues and fro the 8th house those causing widowhood (ie., the 8th from the 7th, which is the 2nd House). So the 5th from the Moon is also considered if the Moon is stronger than the Lagna. I hope this also helps Anurag Sharma. Love, Swee Chandrashekhar [chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Friday, February 18, 2005 9:30 PM vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Stri Jatak Saptamsha Clarification Dear Bharat, Please read regular count for Odd signs in the message. Sorry for the typographical error. Chandrashekhar. Chandrashekhar wrote: Dear Bharat, If I may intervene, Look at 9th in female chart in Rasi chart. For Saptamsha follow irregular count to 5th for odd Rasis and reverse count for Even signs for both male and female. Chandrashekhar. Bharat Vyas wrote: Dear Rao Sahab and Others: I have this doubt regarding saptamasha. I do follow what you have suggested but i have also read that for female charts we go reverse and for male chart we go forward. We also have rule based on even or odd signs of D7 lagna. Hence i have question which rule should be given preference. For example if its an odd sign and female chart do we still go forward or we go reverse cause its female chart. Plz enlighten. Hare Krishna Bharat On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:23:51 -0000, Raghunatha Rao Nemani <raon1008 > wrote: > > > Om Krishna Guru > > Namaste Sharma Ji, > > Let me attempt to give my understanding and corrected by Gurus if I > am wrong. > > I take the Saptamsa Lagna and follow these princples to see the firt > child:- > > 1) If the Lagna is Even, then take 5th reverse from the D-7 Lagna. > 2) If the Lagna is Odd, then take 5th forward from the D-7 Lagna. > > Hope this may be helpful to you. > > Regards > Raghunatha Rao > > vedic astrology, "anuraagsharma27" > <anuraagsharma27@h...> wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > > > In view of Sanjay Ji's instructions that in Saptamsha, the 9th > House > > is the controlling Bhava for progeny in female horoscopy and thus > > the 10th Bhava becomes the primary Maraka, how is the counting for > > individual pregnancies to be done if an even sign rises in > Saptamsha > > Chakra? > > > > Does the counting begin from the 5th from Lagna in such a case? > > > > Thank you. > > > > Anurag Sharma. > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ........ > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > Links > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology ........ May Jupiter's light shine on us ........ || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Archives: vedic astrology ........ May Jupiter's light shine on us ........ || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Archives: vedic astrology To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- ........ May Jupiter's light shine on us ........ || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 Dear Swee, I don't have MJUS at hand but somewhere after Page 404, the counting in female charts, whether zodiacal or otherwise, is reckoned not from AL but from Lagna itself. Whereas in COVA, the counting for progeny and siblings in the Rashi Chakra is deemed to be contingent on the Rashi housing AL. Thank you. Anurag. vedic astrology, "Swee Chan" <swee@c...> wrote: > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Anurag, > > Namaste > > The following is an excerpt from Sanjay Rath's JMUS, page 316 > > Text 3.4.3 > Aaxn ipt& ley me;a>. > Ädhana pitå leya mesäù || > > Ädhana = 61/12 = 1; pitå ; leya= 13/12 = 1; mesäù = 65/12 = 5 > > > Translation > > Fertility and conception are seen from the first and fifth houses. > > > Purport > > The first and fifth house from Arudha Lagna and in addition from the > lagna/Saptamsa also can be examined for confirming fertility and conception > (stanza 1.4.23-31). > > It is very clear, isn't it? Also consider the Arudhas as suggested in the > book. As for saptamsa, follow Chandrashekharji's instructions. Regular count > for Odd Saptamsa Rasi……….and the other rules also apply for male/female > planets and male/female rasis. > > Best wishes, > > Swee > > > > anuraagsharma27 [anuraagsharma27@h...] > Tuesday, February 22, 2005 7:58 PM > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] Re: Stri Jatak Saptamsha Clarification > > > > Dear Swee, > > Thank you for the input. > > In Pt. Sanjay Rath's Commnetary on MJUS, the 9th Bhava from Rashi > Lagna is taken for female charts and then reversed for even Lagnas. > This to add to the Saptamsha situation where the dominant opinion > seems to be that despite the 9th being the controling Bhava for > women, if it is an odd Lagna in D-7, the 5th is still the prime house. > > My questions stand. > > I use the 5th for both male and female charts in Rashi Chakra but > MJUS commentary of Pt. Rath instills some doubt whether this is the > correct appraoch. When Sanjay Ji uses a technique, I am more inclined > to follow it. > > So now the question arises whether in the Rashi Chakra also, the > house in female charts would be dependent on Lagna rising. In COVA, > the counting is contingent on AL and not on Lagna for siblings etc. > > Perhaps Sanjay Ji might clarify it. > > For me, as of now: > 1. I will use 5th in rashi chakra and from Moon for female charts. > 2. The 9th will be the controlling Bhava in Saptamsha. > 3. For individual pregnancies, I will use the Lagna rising in D-7. > > Perhaps if Sanjay Ji clarifies about the examples in his MJUS, the > position about Lagna and counting in Rashi chart will become clear. > > Thank you. > > Anurag. > > > > vedic astrology, "Swee Chan" <swee@c...> wrote: > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji et al, > > > > I thought this might be interesting with reference to Jataka > Bharnam, > > Chapter 50 pg 811. > > > > From the natal Ascendant and the Moon ascendant is considered the > woman's > > whole body and from the 7th house, from these effects, obtained by > her > > husband. > > From the 5th, those relating to her issues and fro the 8th house > those > > causing widowhood (ie., the 8th from the 7th, which is the 2nd > House). > > > > So the 5th from the Moon is also considered if the Moon is stronger > than the > > Lagna. > > > > I hope this also helps Anurag Sharma. > > > > Love, > > > > Swee > > > > _____ > > > > Chandrashekhar [chandrashekhar46] > > Friday, February 18, 2005 9:30 PM > > vedic astrology > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Stri Jatak Saptamsha > Clarification > > > > Dear Bharat, > > Please read regular count for Odd signs in the message. Sorry for > the > > typographical error. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Bharat, > > If I may intervene, Look at 9th in female chart in Rasi chart. For > > Saptamsha follow irregular count to 5th for odd Rasis and reverse > count for > > Even signs for both male and female. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Bharat Vyas wrote: > > Dear Rao Sahab and Others: > > > > I have this doubt regarding saptamasha. > > > > I do follow what you have suggested but i have also read that for > > female charts we go reverse and for male chart we go forward. We > also > > have rule based on even or odd signs of D7 lagna. Hence i have > > question which rule should be given preference. For example if its > an > > odd sign and female chart do we still go forward or we go reverse > > cause its female chart. Plz enlighten. > > > > Hare Krishna > > > > Bharat > > > > > > On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:23:51 -0000, Raghunatha Rao Nemani > > <raon1008> <raon1008> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Om Krishna Guru > > > > > > Namaste Sharma Ji, > > > > > > Let me attempt to give my understanding and corrected by Gurus if > I > > > am wrong. > > > > > > I take the Saptamsa Lagna and follow these princples to see the > firt > > > child:- > > > > > > 1) If the Lagna is Even, then take 5th reverse from the D-7 Lagna. > > > 2) If the Lagna is Odd, then take 5th forward from the D-7 Lagna. > > > > > > Hope this may be helpful to you. > > > > > > Regards > > > Raghunatha Rao > > > > > > vedic astrology, "anuraagsharma27" > > > <anuraagsharma27@h...> <anuraagsharma27@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > In view of Sanjay Ji's instructions that in Saptamsha, the 9th > > > House > > > > is the controlling Bhava for progeny in female horoscopy and > thus > > > > the 10th Bhava becomes the primary Maraka, how is the counting > for > > > > individual pregnancies to be done if an even sign rises in > > > Saptamsha > > > > Chakra? > > > > > > > > Does the counting begin from the 5th from Lagna in such a case? > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > Anurag Sharma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Anurag, Namaste 10.0pt"> I’ve found a sloka from JuS (Sanjay Rath) that might give you a clue in deciphering. Sanjayji further states that for a women, her 1st menstruation chart has to be drawn up and to be read as her karmic chart, if the chart is contrary to her natal chart, it is due to her past misdeeds. The chapter you are talking about has a mixture of indications. Some also require you to look at the navamsa or saptamsa and some indications have to be read from the trimsamsa. I’m afraid your understanding from it is not as clear cut as you think it is. As the male carry the genetic pool, why not use the male chart to delineate instead? 10.0pt"> Aa*a AaTmja ôI. Ädyä ätmajä stré || “ädyä”= 10; ätmajä= daughter; stré=women 10.0pt"> Translation If the tenth (from the combination in preceding stanza) indicates a female, a daughter is born. Purport ‘Stri’ refers to feminine/even signs or feminine planets mentioned in stanza 4.4.4. If Mars and Moon are in the eighth house, the tenth there from is the fifth house. If Moon is placed elsewhere, the tenth from it should be treated as the fifth house. If feminine signs/planet dominant, a girl is born else a boy is born. These are the rare cases of posthumous birth like Hyder Ali or Bill Clinton (U.S. President.) Love, Swee 10.0pt"> 10.0pt"> anuraagsharma27 [anuraagsharma27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com] Wednesday, February 23, 2005 7:19 AM vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Re: Stri Jatak Saptamsha Clarification 10.0pt"> 10.0pt"> 10.0pt"> 10.0pt">Dear Swee, 10.0pt"> 10.0pt">I don't have MJUS at hand but somewhere after Page 404, the counting 10.0pt">in female charts, whether zodiacal or otherwise, is reckoned not from AL but from Lagna itself. Whereas in COVA, the counting for progeny 10.0pt">and siblings in the Rashi Chakra is deemed to be contingent on the 10.0pt">Rashi housing AL. 10.0pt"> 10.0pt">Thank you. 10.0pt"> 10.0pt">Anurag. 10.0pt"> 10.0pt"> 10.0pt"> 10.0pt">vedic astrology, "Swee Chan" <swee@c...> wrote: 10.0pt">> Jaya Jagannatha 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> Dear Anurag, 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> Namaste 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> The following is an excerpt from Sanjay Rath's JMUS, page 316 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> Text 3.4.3 10.0pt">> Aaxn ipt& ley me;a>. 10.0pt">> Ädhana pitå leya mesäù || 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> Ädhana = 61/12 = 1; pitå ; leya= 13/12 = 1; mesäù = 65/12 = 5 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> Translation 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> Fertility and conception are seen from the first and fifth houses. 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> Purport 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> The first and fifth house from Arudha Lagna and in addition from the 10.0pt">> lagna/Saptamsa also can be examined for confirming fertility and 10.0pt">conception 10.0pt">> (stanza 1.4.23-31). 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> It is very clear, isn't it? Also consider the Arudhas as suggested 10.0pt">in the 10.0pt">> book. As for saptamsa, follow Chandrashekharji's instructions. 10.0pt">Regular count 10.0pt">> for Odd Saptamsa Rasi……….and the other rules also apply for 10.0pt">male/female 10.0pt">> planets and male/female rasis. 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> Best wishes, 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> Swee 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> anuraagsharma27 [anuraagsharma27@h...] 10.0pt">> Tuesday, February 22, 2005 7:58 PM 10.0pt">> vedic astrology 10.0pt">> [vedic astrology] Re: Stri Jatak Saptamsha Clarification 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> Dear Swee, 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> Thank you for the input. 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> In Pt. Sanjay Rath's Commnetary on MJUS, the 9th Bhava from Rashi 10.0pt">> Lagna is taken for female charts and then reversed for even Lagnas. 10.0pt">> This to add to the Saptamsha situation where the dominant opinion 10.0pt">> seems to be that despite the 9th being the controling Bhava for 10.0pt">> women, if it is an odd Lagna in D-7, the 5th is still the prime 10.0pt">house. 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> My questions stand. 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> I use the 5th for both male and female charts in Rashi Chakra but 10.0pt">> MJUS commentary of Pt. Rath instills some doubt whether this is the 10.0pt">> correct appraoch. When Sanjay Ji uses a technique, I am more 10.0pt">inclined 10.0pt">> to follow it. 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> So now the question arises whether in the Rashi Chakra also, the 10.0pt">> house in female charts would be dependent on Lagna rising. In COVA, 10.0pt">> the counting is contingent on AL and not on Lagna for siblings etc. 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> Perhaps Sanjay Ji might clarify it. 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> For me, as of now: 10.0pt">> 1. I will use 5th in rashi chakra and from Moon for female charts. 10.0pt">> 2. The 9th will be the controlling Bhava in Saptamsha. 10.0pt">> 3. For individual pregnancies, I will use the Lagna rising in D-7. 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> Perhaps if Sanjay Ji clarifies about the examples in his MJUS, the 10.0pt">> position about Lagna and counting in Rashi chart will become clear. 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> Thank you. 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> Anurag. 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> vedic astrology, "Swee Chan" <swee@c...> 10.0pt">wrote: 10.0pt">> > Jaya Jagannatha 10.0pt">> > 10.0pt">> > Dear Chandrashekharji et al, 10.0pt">> > 10.0pt">> > I thought this might be interesting with reference to Jataka 10.0pt">> Bharnam, 10.0pt">> > Chapter 50 pg 811. 10.0pt">> > 10.0pt">> > From the natal Ascendant and the Moon ascendant is considered the 10.0pt">> woman's 10.0pt">> > whole body and from the 7th house, from these effects, obtained 10.0pt">by 10.0pt">> her 10.0pt">> > husband. 10.0pt">> > From the 5th, those relating to her issues and fro the 8th house 10.0pt">> those 10.0pt">> > causing widowhood (ie., the 8th from the 7th, which is the 2nd 10.0pt">> House). 10.0pt">> > 10.0pt">> > So the 5th from the Moon is also considered if the Moon is 10.0pt">stronger 10.0pt">> than the 10.0pt">> > Lagna. 10.0pt">> > 10.0pt">> > I hope this also helps Anurag Sharma. 10.0pt">> > 10.0pt">> > Love, 10.0pt">> > 10.0pt">> > Swee 10.0pt">> > 10.0pt">> > _____ 10.0pt">> > 10.0pt">> > Chandrashekhar [chandrashekhar46] 10.0pt">> > Friday, February 18, 2005 9:30 PM 10.0pt">> > vedic astrology 10.0pt">> > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Stri Jatak Saptamsha 10.0pt">> Clarification 10.0pt">> > 10.0pt">> > Dear Bharat, 10.0pt">> > Please read regular count for Odd signs in the message. Sorry for 10.0pt">> the 10.0pt">> > typographical error. 10.0pt">> > Chandrashekhar. 10.0pt">> > 10.0pt">> > Chandrashekhar wrote: 10.0pt">> > Dear Bharat, 10.0pt">> > If I may intervene, Look at 9th in female chart in Rasi chart. 10.0pt">For 10.0pt">> > Saptamsha follow irregular count to 5th for odd Rasis and 10.0pt">reverse 10.0pt">> count for 10.0pt">> > Even signs for both male and female. 10.0pt">> > Chandrashekhar. 10.0pt">> > 10.0pt">> > Bharat Vyas wrote: 10.0pt">> > Dear Rao Sahab and Others: 10.0pt">> > 10.0pt">> > I have this doubt regarding saptamasha. 10.0pt">> > 10.0pt">> > I do follow what you have suggested but i have also read that for 10.0pt">> > female charts we go reverse and for male chart we go forward. We 10.0pt">> also 10.0pt">> > have rule based on even or odd signs of D7 lagna. Hence i have 10.0pt">> > question which rule should be given preference. For example if 10.0pt">its 10.0pt">> an 10.0pt">> > odd sign and female chart do we still go forward or we go reverse 10.0pt">> > cause its female chart. Plz enlighten. 10.0pt">> > 10.0pt">> > Hare Krishna 10.0pt">> > 10.0pt">> > Bharat 10.0pt">> > 10.0pt">> > 10.0pt">> > On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:23:51 -0000, Raghunatha Rao Nemani 10.0pt">> > <raon1008> <raon1008> wrote: 10.0pt">> > > 10.0pt">> > > 10.0pt">> > > Om Krishna Guru 10.0pt">> > > 10.0pt">> > > Namaste Sharma Ji, 10.0pt">> > > 10.0pt">> > > Let me attempt to give my understanding and corrected by Gurus 10.0pt">if 10.0pt">> I 10.0pt">> > > am wrong. 10.0pt">> > > 10.0pt">> > > I take the Saptamsa Lagna and follow these princples to see the 10.0pt">> firt 10.0pt">> > > child:- 10.0pt">> > > 10.0pt">> > > 1) If the Lagna is Even, then take 5th reverse from the D-7 10.0pt">Lagna. 10.0pt">> > > 2) If the Lagna is Odd, then take 5th forward from the D-7 10.0pt">Lagna. 10.0pt">> > > 10.0pt">> > > Hope this may be helpful to you. 10.0pt">> > > 10.0pt">> > > Regards 10.0pt">> > > Raghunatha Rao 10.0pt">> > > 10.0pt">> > > vedic astrology, "anuraagsharma27" 10.0pt">> > > <anuraagsharma27@h...> <anuraagsharma27@h...> wrote: 10.0pt">> > > > 10.0pt">> > > > Dear Members, 10.0pt">> > > > 10.0pt">> > > > In view of Sanjay Ji's instructions that in Saptamsha, the 9th 10.0pt">> > > House 10.0pt">> > > > is the controlling Bhava for progeny in female horoscopy and 10.0pt">> thus 10.0pt">> > > > the 10th Bhava becomes the primary Maraka, how is the 10.0pt">counting 10.0pt">> for 10.0pt">> > > > individual pregnancies to be done if an even sign rises in 10.0pt">> > > Saptamsha 10.0pt">> > > > Chakra? 10.0pt">> > > > 10.0pt">> > > > Does the counting begin from the 5th from Lagna in such a 10.0pt">case? 10.0pt">> > > > 10.0pt">> > > > Thank you. 10.0pt">> > > > 10.0pt">> > > > Anurag Sharma. 10.0pt">> > > 10.0pt">> > > 10.0pt">> > > 10.0pt">> > > 10.0pt">> > > Group info: vedic- 10.0pt">astrology/info.html 10.0pt">> > > 10.0pt">> > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- 10.0pt">> 10.0pt">> > > 10.0pt">> > > ....... 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