Re:question: using transits of guruANDshani (utpal pathak )

[Guest guest]

hello-

so i understand you say sometimes vimshottari dasha system alone

without any transit backup can give results.

i offer the following chart, which is very interesting, as all 9

navagrahas can give a child, per vimshottari! how would one best

proceed without a transit backup? by using shadbala, nakshatras,

etc? 22 may 1980, 4:21am, st louis, mo, usa (90w12, 38n38)

 

kalidas

 

 

-- In vedic astrology, "utpal pathak"

<vedic_pathak> wrote:

>

>

> Namaste,

>

> In my experience & hence opinion, Guru & Shani's combined transit

> influence most definately tend to bring singnificant event (good

or

> bad) pertaining to the house matter or matters.

>

> but i am afraid, it may not be always compulsary to have combined

> transit influence of Guru & shani for event fructification because

of

> the simple reason that transit is a secondary to main

> dasha/anatardasha.. influences & basic horoscope.

>

> regards,

>

> pathak

>

>

> vedic astrology, "mahakali108"

> <mahakali108> wrote:

> >

> > i spoke with an astrologer today, who says that for an event to

> > materialize from the point of view of gochara, not only is the

> > transit of jupiter to be looked at, (for example, transit guru

> > influencing 5th house and /or its lord gives childres,

influencing

> > 7th house and/or its lord gives marriage, etc) but that one must

> > actually use the transit of shani over the same houses, to give

> > results.

> > in other words, jupiter gives hope and promise, but shani needs

to

> > give its "permission" so to speak, to give form and structure to

> the

> > promise of guru, in order for something to manifest.

> > so then, for having children, one would time the event with

dasha

> > and bhuktis associated with 5th house, then see when transit

guru

> > influences the 5th house, AND ALSO see when transit shani

> influences

> > the 5th house, and when BOTH guru AND shani influence the 5th

house

> > by transit, THEN the childbirth is assured.

> >

> > i value others opinions on this matter, as it shatters my pre-

> > concieved notion that shani denies and takes away when in

transit,

> > and that transit shani influencing 5th house would if anything,

> deny

> > children.

> >

> > kalidas

[Guest guest]

Dear Kalidasji,

 

You have mis-understood my post. the meaning of what I have said is

that 'for any significant event fructification, Dasha is a must &

then transit for fine tunning the event'

 

What is your meaning when you say "Transit Backup"? do you say that

Transit backUP means only the combined influence of Guru & Shani?.

 

Actually, I am a 'FAN' of Combined Transit of Guru & Shani but i

again emphesize that "IF A SIGNIFICANT EVENT HAPPENS IN ONE'S LIFE

DOES NOT NECESSARILY BRING COMBINED INFLUENCE OF GURU & SHANI"

 

And one more understanding of mine, I wish to share with you--

 

I AM CRYSTAL CLEAR IN MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IF ANY SIGNIFICANT EVENT

CAN NOT FRUCTIFY WITHOUT RELEVENT DASHA / ANTARDASHA (Vim or Rashi)

PERIOD, HOWEVER STRONG INFLUENCE MAY SHOWN BY TRANSIT.

 

best regards,

 

pathak

 

vedic astrology, "mahakali108"

<mahakali108> wrote:

>

>

> hello-

> so i understand you say sometimes vimshottari dasha system alone

> without any transit backup can give results.

> i offer the following chart, which is very interesting, as all 9

> navagrahas can give a child, per vimshottari! how would one best

> proceed without a transit backup? by using shadbala, nakshatras,

> etc? 22 may 1980, 4:21am, st louis, mo, usa (90w12, 38n38)

>

> kalidas

>

>

> -- In vedic astrology, "utpal pathak"

> <vedic_pathak> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > In my experience & hence opinion, Guru & Shani's combined transit

> > influence most definately tend to bring singnificant event (good

> or

> > bad) pertaining to the house matter or matters.

> >

> > but i am afraid, it may not be always compulsary to have combined

> > transit influence of Guru & shani for event fructification

because

> of

> > the simple reason that transit is a secondary to main

> > dasha/anatardasha.. influences & basic horoscope.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > pathak

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, "mahakali108"

> > <mahakali108> wrote:

> > >

> > > i spoke with an astrologer today, who says that for an event

to

> > > materialize from the point of view of gochara, not only is the

> > > transit of jupiter to be looked at, (for example, transit guru

> > > influencing 5th house and /or its lord gives childres,

> influencing

> > > 7th house and/or its lord gives marriage, etc) but that one

must

> > > actually use the transit of shani over the same houses, to give

> > > results.

> > > in other words, jupiter gives hope and promise, but shani needs

> to

> > > give its "permission" so to speak, to give form and structure

to

> > the

> > > promise of guru, in order for something to manifest.

> > > so then, for having children, one would time the event with

> dasha

> > > and bhuktis associated with 5th house, then see when transit

> guru

> > > influences the 5th house, AND ALSO see when transit shani

> > influences

> > > the 5th house, and when BOTH guru AND shani influence the 5th

> house

> > > by transit, THEN the childbirth is assured.

> > >

> > > i value others opinions on this matter, as it shatters my pre-

> > > concieved notion that shani denies and takes away when in

> transit,

> > > and that transit shani influencing 5th house would if anything,

> > deny

> > > children.

> > >

> > > kalidas

[Guest guest]

--

dear utpal,

i am a bit dense at times, sorry.

anyway, by "backup" i guess i meant that one would need to see the

event happening both in the dashas, AS WELL AS in the transits, in

order for the event to happen

per my understanding of your replies:

 

1. the dashas WITH the transits of guru+shani can of course give the

event, simply with more assuredness,

 

2.the dashas by themselves withOUT the transits of shani+guru can

give an event as well, at times.

 

my understanding is correct?

kalidas

 

 

 

- In vedic astrology, "utpal pathak"

<vedic_pathak> wrote:

>

> Dear Kalidasji,

>

> You have mis-understood my post. the meaning of what I have said

is

> that 'for any significant event fructification, Dasha is a must &

> then transit for fine tunning the event'

>

> What is your meaning when you say "Transit Backup"? do you say

that

> Transit backUP means only the combined influence of Guru & Shani?.

>

> Actually, I am a 'FAN' of Combined Transit of Guru & Shani but i

> again emphesize that "IF A SIGNIFICANT EVENT HAPPENS IN ONE'S LIFE

> DOES NOT NECESSARILY BRING COMBINED INFLUENCE OF GURU & SHANI"

>

> And one more understanding of mine, I wish to share with you--

>

> I AM CRYSTAL CLEAR IN MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IF ANY SIGNIFICANT

EVENT

> CAN NOT FRUCTIFY WITHOUT RELEVENT DASHA / ANTARDASHA (Vim or Rashi)

> PERIOD, HOWEVER STRONG INFLUENCE MAY SHOWN BY TRANSIT.

>

> best regards,

>

> pathak

>

> vedic astrology, "mahakali108"

> <mahakali108> wrote:

> >

> >

> > hello-

> > so i understand you say sometimes vimshottari dasha system alone

> > without any transit backup can give results.

> > i offer the following chart, which is very interesting, as all 9

> > navagrahas can give a child, per vimshottari! how would one best

> > proceed without a transit backup? by using shadbala, nakshatras,

> > etc? 22 may 1980, 4:21am, st louis, mo, usa (90w12, 38n38)

> >

> > kalidas

> >

> >

> > -- In vedic astrology, "utpal pathak"

> > <vedic_pathak> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > In my experience & hence opinion, Guru & Shani's combined

transit

> > > influence most definately tend to bring singnificant event

(good

> > or

> > > bad) pertaining to the house matter or matters.

> > >

> > > but i am afraid, it may not be always compulsary to have

combined

> > > transit influence of Guru & shani for event fructification

> because

> > of

> > > the simple reason that transit is a secondary to main

> > > dasha/anatardasha.. influences & basic horoscope.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > >

> > > pathak

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "mahakali108"

> > > <mahakali108> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > i spoke with an astrologer today, who says that for an

event

> to

> > > > materialize from the point of view of gochara, not only is

the

> > > > transit of jupiter to be looked at, (for example, transit

guru

> > > > influencing 5th house and /or its lord gives childres,

> > influencing

> > > > 7th house and/or its lord gives marriage, etc) but that one

> must

> > > > actually use the transit of shani over the same houses, to

give

> > > > results.

> > > > in other words, jupiter gives hope and promise, but shani

needs

> > to

> > > > give its "permission" so to speak, to give form and

structure

> to

> > > the

> > > > promise of guru, in order for something to manifest.

> > > > so then, for having children, one would time the event with

> > dasha

> > > > and bhuktis associated with 5th house, then see when transit

> > guru

> > > > influences the 5th house, AND ALSO see when transit shani

> > > influences

> > > > the 5th house, and when BOTH guru AND shani influence the

5th

> > house

> > > > by transit, THEN the childbirth is assured.

> > > >

> > > > i value others opinions on this matter, as it shatters my

pre-

> > > > concieved notion that shani denies and takes away when in

> > transit,

> > > > and that transit shani influencing 5th house would if

anything,

> > > deny

> > > > children.

> > > >

> > > > kalidas

[Guest guest]

I appologise if my words were not very respectful & also for my

impatience. as per my knowledge, nothing can be more acuurate than

what you have explained.

 

utpal

 

 

vedic astrology, "mahakali108"

<mahakali108> wrote:

>

> --

> dear utpal,

> i am a bit dense at times, sorry.

> anyway, by "backup" i guess i meant that one would need to see the

> event happening both in the dashas, AS WELL AS in the transits, in

> order for the event to happen

> per my understanding of your replies:

>

> 1. the dashas WITH the transits of guru+shani can of course give

the

> event, simply with more assuredness,

>

> 2.the dashas by themselves withOUT the transits of shani+guru can

> give an event as well, at times.

>

> my understanding is correct?

> kalidas

>

>

>

> - In vedic astrology, "utpal pathak"

> <vedic_pathak> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kalidasji,

> >

> > You have mis-understood my post. the meaning of what I have said

> is

> > that 'for any significant event fructification, Dasha is a must &

> > then transit for fine tunning the event'

> >

> > What is your meaning when you say "Transit Backup"? do you say

> that

> > Transit backUP means only the combined influence of Guru & Shani?.

> >

> > Actually, I am a 'FAN' of Combined Transit of Guru & Shani but i

> > again emphesize that "IF A SIGNIFICANT EVENT HAPPENS IN ONE'S

LIFE

> > DOES NOT NECESSARILY BRING COMBINED INFLUENCE OF GURU & SHANI"

> >

> > And one more understanding of mine, I wish to share with you--

> >

> > I AM CRYSTAL CLEAR IN MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IF ANY SIGNIFICANT

> EVENT

> > CAN NOT FRUCTIFY WITHOUT RELEVENT DASHA / ANTARDASHA (Vim or

Rashi)

> > PERIOD, HOWEVER STRONG INFLUENCE MAY SHOWN BY TRANSIT.

> >

> > best regards,

> >

> > pathak

> >

> > vedic astrology, "mahakali108"

> > <mahakali108> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > hello-

> > > so i understand you say sometimes vimshottari dasha system

alone

> > > without any transit backup can give results.

> > > i offer the following chart, which is very interesting, as all

9

> > > navagrahas can give a child, per vimshottari! how would one

best

> > > proceed without a transit backup? by using shadbala,

nakshatras,

> > > etc? 22 may 1980, 4:21am, st louis, mo, usa (90w12, 38n38)

> > >

> > > kalidas

> > >

> > >

> > > -- In vedic astrology, "utpal pathak"

> > > <vedic_pathak> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > In my experience & hence opinion, Guru & Shani's combined

> transit

> > > > influence most definately tend to bring singnificant event

> (good

> > > or

> > > > bad) pertaining to the house matter or matters.

> > > >

> > > > but i am afraid, it may not be always compulsary to have

> combined

> > > > transit influence of Guru & shani for event fructification

> > because

> > > of

> > > > the simple reason that transit is a secondary to main

> > > > dasha/anatardasha.. influences & basic horoscope.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > >

> > > > pathak

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "mahakali108"

> > > > <mahakali108> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > i spoke with an astrologer today, who says that for an

> event

> > to

> > > > > materialize from the point of view of gochara, not only is

> the

> > > > > transit of jupiter to be looked at, (for example, transit

> guru

> > > > > influencing 5th house and /or its lord gives childres,

> > > influencing

> > > > > 7th house and/or its lord gives marriage, etc) but that one

> > must

> > > > > actually use the transit of shani over the same houses, to

> give

> > > > > results.

> > > > > in other words, jupiter gives hope and promise, but shani

> needs

> > > to

> > > > > give its "permission" so to speak, to give form and

> structure

> > to

> > > > the

> > > > > promise of guru, in order for something to manifest.

> > > > > so then, for having children, one would time the event with

> > > dasha

> > > > > and bhuktis associated with 5th house, then see when

transit

> > > guru

> > > > > influences the 5th house, AND ALSO see when transit shani

> > > > influences

> > > > > the 5th house, and when BOTH guru AND shani influence the

> 5th

> > > house

> > > > > by transit, THEN the childbirth is assured.

> > > > >

> > > > > i value others opinions on this matter, as it shatters my

> pre-

> > > > > concieved notion that shani denies and takes away when in

> > > transit,

> > > > > and that transit shani influencing 5th house would if

> anything,

> > > > deny

> > > > > children.

> > > > >

> > > > > kalidas